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“State bar says let illegal immigrant practice law”

This is how the United States of America ends: not with a bang, but with the specter of a giant fucking clown car pulling an unlicensed street taco cart.

(h/t bookworm)

182 Replies to ““State bar says let illegal immigrant practice law””

  1. sdferr says:

    Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown California.

  2. bh says:

    I’m a little surprised he decided not to take advantage of his innate superiority in the trades.

  3. newrouter says:

    on levin’s show tonight a caller mentioned this progg ruling that leads to this post:

    Plyler v. Doe

    Appellants: J. and R. Doe, certain named and unnamed undocumented alien children

    Appellees: James L. Plyler and others

    Appellants’ Claim: That a Texas law withholding public funds from local school districts for educating children not legally present in the United States and encouraging school districts to deny these children enrollment is constitutionally valid.

    Chief Lawyers for Appellants: Peter D. Roos, Peter A. Schey

    Chief Lawyers for Appellees: John C. Hardy, Richard L. Arnett

    Justices for the Court: Harry A. Blackmun, William J. Brennan, Jr., Thurgood Marshall, Lewis F. Powell, Jr., John Paul Stevens

    Justices Dissenting: Chief Justice Warren E. Burger, Sandra Day O’Connor, William Rehnquist, Byron R. White

    Date of Decision: June 15, 1982

    Decision: Ruled in favor of Doe (the illegal alien children) by finding that the Texas law violated the Fourteenth Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause and struck it down.

    Significance: With this decision, states could no longer deny public education to children only because they were illegal aliens. The Court’s opinion provided an important statement on the importance of education to American society.

    link

  4. palaeomerus says:

    Hey, the law profession has been sawing at the limb its been sitting on for decades now. Part of the problem is that computers can do an honest lawyer’s job. It’s almost a perfect task for a database and an expert system. If someone ever creates a computer that can bullshit and destroy an opponent’s credibility by sly implications and manufactured expert testimony then human lawyers will no longer be necessary.

  5. newrouter says:

    The Court’s opinion provided an important statement on the importance of education to American society.

    nice leftist bubble you got their.

  6. sdferr says:

    It’s a simpler explanation to just write “The court’s opinion re-wrote the fourteenth amendment.”

  7. RI Red says:

    Rule of Law? Pfeh!
    To be written on the tomb of the US of A: “Sometimes ‘nuance’ is a bad thing.”

  8. leigh says:

    I’m a little surprised he decided not to take advantage of his innate superiority in the trades.

    Too bad nr is on the other side of the country. Lawyer guy and his hermanos could fix his roof problems in a jiffy.

  9. Libby says:

    Why don’ they just let him practice law without a license as an “undocumented lawyer”? If you don’t need the proper provenance or paperwork to be a US citizen, you shouldn’t need a law degree or license to practice law. And if any CA lawyer or institution doesn’t recognize him he should sue ’em for raaaaaaaaaaacism.

  10. leigh says:

    He’s just doing the work that Amercian lawyers won’t do, Libby.

  11. Libby says:

    Hmmmm. Maybe if more “undocumented Americans” pushed lawyers out of high paying jobs (and depressed the profession’s wages) we’d finally get some interest in controlling the borders…. Would be fun to watch.

  12. leigh says:

    Rule of Law? Pfeh!

    I can’t be the only one thinking Sir William Blackstone is spinning in his grave.

  13. Ernst Schreiber says:

    If an illegal can practice law with a license, does this mean a legal can practive law without one?

  14. happyfeet says:

    If licensed, Garcia could not work legally for a law firm, corporation or public agency, but could represent clients on his own as an independent contractor, a status not addressed by federal law, the bar said.

    In the meantime, the bar has certified his moral fitness to practice law, but the state’s high court, which licenses attorneys in California, put his application on hold last month and said it would use the case to decide whether undocumented immigrants are eligible to practice law. A similar case is pending in Florida.

    so nothing has really happened the state bar just says he’s not a bad person is all… he can’t practice law yet

  15. newrouter says:

    he can’t practice law yet

    he can practice lawlessness in mexico no?

  16. happyfeet says:

    he’s from chico god love him Mr. newrouter

    boy done made something of himself

  17. Jeff G. says:

    happyfeet —

    Yes or no: this illegal who made something of himself should be allowed to practice law in the US.

  18. bh says:

    ‘feets –

    Yes or no: this is what a griefer does.

  19. Jeff G. says:

    so nothing has really happened the state bar just says he’s not a bad person is all… he can’t practice law yet

    nothing to see here, pay no attention to that state bar language behind the curtain. It’s just right wing bitterclinger hyperventilation of the kind that embarrasses the good kind of Jeb Bush Republicans by suggesting that illegals aren’t just as entitled to jobs in the US as actual citizens.

    And that’s just the kind of racist yuckiness that turns people off from being Republicans.

  20. newrouter says:

    he’s from chico god love him Mr. newrouter

    boy done made something of himself

    affirmative action with guacamole

  21. happyfeet says:

    it seems more like the deal is that the state bar had to rule that he was morally fit for so the high court could take this case … it’s not a foregone conclusion that they’ll let him practice even under the narrow constraints indicated … in fact this may prove to be the avenue what closes the independent contractor loophole

    at least in California

    we will see

    lawyers are they mostest guildy guild of them all, you know

  22. Jeff G. says:

    Yes or no, happyfeet: this illegal who made something of himself should be allowed to practice law in the US.

  23. bh says:

    Those aren’t super hard questions to answer.

  24. Pablo says:

    it seems more like the deal is that the state bar had to rule that he was morally fit for so the high court could take this case

    People who come out of the gate breaking the law aren’t morally fit. So let’s let Bernadine Dohrn practice law anyway.

  25. Jeff G. says:

    Being here illegally isn’t breaking the law law, Pablo. Why do you bittercling? It’s unseemly. Besides, they’re the best of us and they work harder at roofing.

  26. leigh says:

    I’d think the fact that he is not a citizen would preclude him from practing the law, since he’s a law-breaker.

  27. leigh says:

    Bernadine Dohrn is actually a paralegal, Pablo. That felony conviction done ruined her shot a rain-making anywhere in the US. It’s so hate-y. All that terrorist stuff happened so long ago and all.

  28. bh says:

    Bittercling is a great portcoin.

  29. happyfeet says:

    I think he should be given a green card and allowed to do lawyer things …. it’s a free market if people don’t want to hire a green carder lawyer then they don’t have to

  30. newrouter says:

    you all don’t get the world citizen stuff. felafels uber alles.

  31. leigh says:

    Now that he’s raised his profile, he should go to the Immigration office and file his paperwork and see what they have to say.

  32. bh says:

    Is it really that hard to answer a question? Because you haven’t yet.

    (You’re sorta answering the griefer one though. That sucks. I’d prefer you weren’t one.)

  33. Ernst Schreiber says:

    lawyers are they mostest guildy guild of them all, you know

    You should hang around a humanities department at a liberal arts college if you want to really experience the guild environment.

  34. newrouter says:

    I think he should be given a green card

    thank you judge/jury/us gov’t

  35. Jeff G. says:

    I think he should be given a green card and allowed to do lawyer things

    So. The answer to the question, “Yes or no, happyfeet: this illegal who made something of himself should be allowed to practice law in the US,” is yes.

    The prosecution rests.

  36. kensei says:

    I must be getting old & (even) more senile. When I took the bar and sought my license to practice, I had to prove that I was a California resident and I had to take an oath to uphold the constitutions of the U.S. and California.
    If this gentleman isn’t a citizen and not in California legally, how has he established that he is a “California resident” and that he can “uphold” either of the constitutions?

  37. happyfeet says:

    I trust Mr. Chico to uphold the Constitution every bit as well as the other bar-approved law whores and a damn sight better than a lot of them

  38. leigh says:

    He’s more of a squatter than a resident.

  39. bh says:

    Fine, you’re a griefer.

  40. newrouter says:

    I trust Mr. Chico to uphold the Constitution

    according to the proggs. you go pikachu

  41. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I trust Mr. Chico to uphold the Constitution every bit as well as the other bar-approved law whores and a damn sight better than a lot of them

    Why?

  42. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Fine, you’re a griefer.

    In related news, water is wet, and a bear does shit in the woods.

  43. motionview says:

    Garcia was 17 months old when his parents illegally brought him to the United States from Mexico. He returned to Mexico with them at age 9, came back illegally of his own volition at 17, put himself through college and law school and passed the bar on his first try in 2009. He has been illegally working as a paralegal.

    They missed a few key words.

  44. leigh says:

    Is Hosni Muburik merely dead or really most sincerely dead?

  45. bh says:

    I know, Ernst.

    I’m occasionally surprised and cringe anew though when people don’t have any self-respect. ‘feets isn’t a moron, this is a conscious choice he’s making. It’s just too foreign for me to personally understand so I think of it as otherwise for long stretches of time.

  46. happyfeet says:

    I think this article explains it much better

    Bar officials, defending their recommendation, reminded the court that people who attend law school in California on a student or visitor visa have been admitted to practice law in the state.

    “After receiving their law licenses, they may return home to their countries of origin, they may remain here and attempt to adjust their status, or they may seek lawful permanent residence,” the bar said. “However, the grant of a law license provides no guarantee of a pathway to lawful employment in the United States for these individuals.”

    he definitely earned his law license now we just need to work on getting him hooked up with some papers

  47. newrouter says:

    Garcia was 17 months old when his parents illegally brought him

    his back is damp

  48. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Is Hosni Muburik merely dead or really most sincerely dead?

    Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

  49. newrouter says:

    getting him hooked up with some papers

    castro on the strip

  50. happyfeet says:

    plus we learn this…

    Garcia has said he would like to do litigation and personal injury law. While awaiting a decision from the court, he is working with his father in Northern California as a beekeeper.

    he just wants to chase ambulances is all it’s not like he wants to set fire to the rain or whatever

  51. leigh says:

    No, “we” don’t, happy.

  52. Ernst Schreiber says:

    he definitely earned his law license now we just need to work on getting him hooked up with some papers

    The place to start is back in Mexico.

  53. leigh says:

    Garcia has said he would like to do litigation and personal injury law.

    Great. He probably has a whole posse of vatos who run that insurance scam of boxing you in on the freeway and slamming on the brakes. Probably has a closeful of crutches and neckbraces and crooked doctors lined up to get kick-backs.

  54. newrouter says:

    Garcia has said he would like to do litigation and personal injury law

    fast and furiously run to mexico

  55. Pablo says:

    Everybody should practice law because the law doesn’t really matter. You just need to hope the judge is sympathetic.

  56. happyfeet says:

    he speaks english he studies hard he like bees

    this one’s a keeper

  57. leigh says:

    I’ve known a lot of lawyers and watched a lot of Court TV. Good enough, I say!

  58. happyfeet says:

    here’s Mr. Chico without the glasses and with different facial hair

    plus he has a pen

    he’s got two hands in his pockets he broke but he’s happy he’s poor but he’s kind

  59. bh says:

    What annoys the fuck out of me with ‘feets is that I take some congruent positions from gay people to our friends to the south and he takes the strongest, non-defensible argument and makes everyone hate anything within a thousand yards of those positions.

    Well-played, sir. If you secretly hate everyone you advocate for.

  60. Ernst Schreiber says:

    this one’s a keeper
    How ’bout we trade you to Mexico for him then?

  61. Ernst Schreiber says:

    He’s a errand boy sent by grocery clerks, bh.

    That he does it of his volition and without recompense is just pathetic.

  62. happyfeet says:

    I have no idea what you are talking about Mr. bh this has nothing to do with gay marriage really

    I don’t see the harm in what the bar did – the ball’s now with the California Supreme Court and even then he’ll be severely limited in how he can use his license … I suspect that’s why he’s looking towards ambulance chasing, cause that’s the easiest way he can make a living at lawyering while he’s waiting for citizenship – cause of it’s most amenable to the “independent contractor” approach he’d be forced to take

  63. bh says:

    Sorry, ‘feets, I don’t hate Latinos so I’m not particularly invested in helping you here.

  64. happyfeet says:

    good good good we can’t be hating our latino friends they’re the only ones standing between us and the asian invasion!

    madre de dios!

  65. newrouter says:

    while he’s waiting for citizenship

    go mexico

  66. Ernst Schreiber says:

    The harm that the bar did is that it diminished the value of belonging to the California bar.

    Kinda like how Harry Reid and Steny Hoyer have pissed all over their colleagues because there was an ephemeral political advantage.

  67. newrouter says:

    can’t be hating our latino friends they’re the only ones standing between us and the asian invasion!

    thank you ted kennedy and your bill

  68. palaeomerus says:

    “Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.”

    Yeah man, but he keeps releasing albums though! Or is that Tupak? I get ’em mixed up.

  69. Darleen says:

    This guy can practice law in 5 to 15 years after he receives his permission in due process.

    You know, that rule of law thing.

    I think it’s tragic his parents put him in this position, but there are also thousands of parents waiting in line to come to America legally with youngsters just as bright

    But they have an ocean between them and here, rather then a bus ride from TJ to San Diego.

  70. bh says:

    Poor advocate: laws are less important than my feelings. Bigots.

    Actual advocate: Latin America represents the best possible immigrant opportunity available amongst all post-industrial first world nations. Japan has robots. Europe has welfare Muslims. By maintaining the rule of law and strong cultural integration, we’re well poised to seize this advantage and — after returning our economy to something once again resembling America — escape the well-established national death spiral that results from our current aging welfare state.

    Compare. Contrast.

  71. Pablo says:

    cause that’s the easiest way he can make a living at lawyering while he’s waiting for citizenship

    Citizenship? What’s his path to citizenship? Obama 2012!

  72. Abe Froman says:

    I really don’t care what California does. We need to prevent anyone from there from ever relocating again though. That goes for vacations and company outings at the Jersey shore as well. Nothing.

  73. happyfeet says:

    that seems like a drastic measure Mr. Abe

  74. happyfeet says:

    I don’t think we’re as well-poised as all that Mr. bh, but I agree with the gist of it

  75. Abe Froman says:

    Nah. Drastic would be carpet-bombing every inch of the state. Gratifying, but drastic. Internment is moderate by comparison. And utterly necessary.

  76. bh says:

    I hyphenate at random, pretty much. Just wanted to note that.

  77. happyfeet says:

    the pikachu underground will fight you

  78. bh says:

    Nah, you’ll just make everyone hate Californians instead. That’s what you do. It’s not what you have to do though. It’s a choice.

  79. Jeff G. says:

    The rule of law is for suckers. Staunch means never having to lay a foundation.

  80. guinspen says:

    , tooth and toejam.

  81. happyfeet says:

    the rule of law is awesome let’s give this kid some papers

  82. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Still waiting for the pikachu underground to explain why it thinks illegal alien law-whore Chico will do a better job of upholding the Constitution than the other law whores.

  83. Jeff G. says:

    I was thinking about the best way to put this, vis-a-vis happyfeet and conservatism, and here’s what I came up with: happyfeet is to staunch as staunch is to not really staunch in the slightest, and in fact, truth be told, decidedly anti-staunch, to the point that actual staunchness, recognizing the happyfeet version of staunchness hoping to replace it, runs runs runs like Donald Sutherland in the Kaufman remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    — Which is probably too long to make the point, but still.

  84. Ernst Schreiber says:

    the rule of law is awesome let’s give this kid some papers

    The speed of light is constant warp speed Mr. Sulu

  85. happyfeet says:

    Chico just wants to chase ambulances Mr. Ernst he’s not gonna tangle with el constitutiono

    besides he’ll have to take an oath and stuff

  86. Darleen says:

    er… Abe… there are some of us fighting behind enemy lines here … be mindful of friendly fire, m’kay?

  87. happyfeet says:

    i am so effing staunch sometimes I have to tell myself to take the dogma down a notch, at least when it’s just me and fletcher and the turtles

  88. Jeff G. says:

    They are the best of us, Ernst.

    But not because of the noble savagery. More because of Tim Tebow’s cumslut mom is why.

  89. Ernst Schreiber says:

    happyfeet is to conservatism as Jell-O is to nutritious

  90. Abe Froman says:

    He should be deported if for no other reason than that the stupid wetback went to law school and prepared for/took the bar exam when he had no reasonable expectation of being an abogado en Los Estados Unidos. He’s sufficiently well-prepared to work in a Tijuana donkey sex show now though.

  91. Ernst Schreiber says:

    A guy whose very presence before the bar of the State of Clownifornia is violation of the law is going to promise to uphold the rest of the law.

    Only in Clownifornia

  92. Abe Froman says:

    er… Abe… there are some of us fighting behind enemy lines here … be mindful of friendly fire, m’kay?

    There will be safe zones. McDonald’s. Car race tracks. Gun shops. Any place that liberals are already afraid of.

  93. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Chico just wants to chase ambulances Mr. Ernst he’s not gonna tangle with el constitutiono

    That’s a non sequitur. Just like the other emotives you attempt to pass as reasoned arguments.

  94. bh says:

    OT: I held off for a very long time until I was finally forced but now I’m pleasantly surprised.

    I can actually point my phone at the sky and it shows what constellations I’m looking at. That’s remarkable.

  95. palaeomerus says:

    A surprisingly high number of California escapees lose their tendency towards kowtowing to the forces of fuck-headedness within about three years. They realize that the nervous, uptight, clueless, superior yet ashamed culture they are leaving behind isn’t worth sustaining. Then they get a boring haircut, go out two stepping one night, and start living on Earth.

    After that it’s harder to sell them on a public train that will never pay for itself even at full capacity, goes from nowhere to nowhere, and was made for a few rich people who hate commuting but still won’t ride it.

    They are trouble that first three years though. Largely the trouble comes from wanting to fix or tame all the quasi-medieval, ultra- homophobic, mega-racist, date-rape promoting, psycho cowboys of their legends. They do this by intimidation and hurling random accusations at total strangers who look “like hicks” while being absolutely terrified of them. They also have a lot of trouble with considering themselves unusually street smart despite never having been near the areas they warn people about or claim are pretty much harmless despite the actual crime statistics.

  96. Abe Froman says:

    A lot of people in Nevada, Colorado, Montana, etc. call bullshit on that, palaeo. They’re destructive insects. The Western equivalent of Massholes.

  97. BT says:

    Here’s a simple question: are all illegal immigrants — by definition — criminals?

    This article says no

  98. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Gotta go with Abe on that one.

  99. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Here’s another simple question: Do illegal aliens have the right to be in this country?

  100. motionview says:

    When in doubt, you can always take the Swiss approach.

  101. bh says:

    And you wonder why people ask about the relevancy of your roofing anecdotes, BT.

    This here is what fishermen call a red herring.

  102. Abe Froman says:

    Say what you want about New York lefties, but at least they’re too smug and insular to relocate anywhere that isn’t already excessively liberal.

  103. BT says:

    Why is it a red herring? If you overstay your visa what criminal code have you violated?

    If you enter the country illegally, was the crime committed at the place and time of entry and is not a continuing violation.

    The links I have followed do not say how Garcia re-entered the country at 17. But it does say his green card application has been languishing for 19 years. Wonder what that is about.

    BTW the roofing anecdotes were relevant to the work ethic tangent following Abe’s post. Whether my original smart play post was relevant depends on whether you thought i was referring to this group or the politicians from the GOP who might be moved to respond to Obama’s end run.

  104. bh says:

    This isn’t how this works, BT. No, you show how it’s relevant. It’s not. (And, no, I’m not going to search through the criminal code for the specifics of that offense. Shit, all you did was say, “This article says no.”)

    In case you feel like playing this game, I certainly hope he’s never earned a single dollar here or used fraudulent documents. He’s certainly broken great portions of the criminal code. It’s a practical necessity when you’re an illegal alien.

    Still doesn’t matter though.

    Is it right and proper for a person who is here illegally to become an officer of the court? Why not address the issue head on rather than divert attention like this?

  105. bh says:

    The links I have followed do not say how Garcia re-entered the country at 17.

    Hmmm… I wonder. Are you kidding?

  106. BT says:

    “Is it right and proper for a person who is here illegally to become an officer of the court? Why not address the issue head on rather than divert attention like this?”

    Head on says – you don’t have to be a US citizen to be a member of the bar. I think Scotus decided that in 1973. But you do have to be a resident alien. Garcia doesn’t qualify for that.

    So no legally he is not entitled to admission to the bar, unless the bar changes it’s by laws.

  107. BT says:

    “Hmmm… I wonder. Are you kidding?”

    No the circumstances of entry reflect on current status

  108. JHoward says:

    Did feets just close his case appealing to mothing more than subjective worth? Why yes, yes he did.

    That so resembles Obama on the very same subject.

  109. Pablo says:

    Have illegal aliens violated the law? Yes. Period.

    Next.

  110. B Moe says:

    I think personal injury lawyers should be illegal.

    What, what?

  111. McGehee says:

    This article says no

    That’s its opinion.

  112. Slartibartfast says:

    No the circumstances of entry reflect on current status

    Sure. I mean: he could have been kidnapped and brought here against his will. That would not be a crime on his part. Similarly, he could have been forced at gunpoint to complete law school and take the bar exam. Not a crime on his part.

    Barring the extremely unlikely circumstances of his being held at gunpoint and forced against his will to pursue a career in law for eighteen years, nonstop, the guy has definitely, willfully broken the law. He has not overstayed his visa, because he never had one.

    Not sure what entering the US and using whatever devices he has to obtain e.g. driver’s license, etc counts in terms of criminal offense, but I’d guess they’d be somewhere above the misdemeanor level; possibly felony. Which, as everyone knows, can be morally upright if you’re being oppressed by teh patriarchy.

  113. Slartibartfast says:

    BTW that article that RT claims says he’s not a criminal…you only have to read down to comment #20 to see the refutation.

    No, being in the US illegally is not itself a crime, any more than having evaded the police in a car chase is a crime. But the illegal entry? That’s a crime. As is the chase.

  114. Slartibartfast says:

    Or, shorter: what Pablo said:

    Have illegal aliens violated the law? Yes. Period.

    Next.

    Next stupid argument, please.

  115. Slartibartfast says:

    If pikachu were president, he’d be issuing XOs all over the place so that this little country of ours looks a lot more the way he feels it should. Which is of course a staunchly conservative thing to do: just fucking ignore the laws you don’t like.

  116. EBL says:

    Since being sworn into the bar means swearing to uphold the constitution, he can be sworn in and then self deport himself…

    He is a good person and all.

  117. Darleen says:

    Any place that liberals are already afraid of.

    I’ll make sure to be at church then.

  118. Crawford says:

    Gratifying to see other people realize that happyshits is a worthless troll.

  119. leigh says:

    Has illegal alien guy received financial aid in the form of PELL grants and student loans while attending our schools? You have to cough up a SSN to get those. Whose is he using?

  120. happyfeet says:

    he went to night school in nowheresville leigh

    it’s affordable

    it says…

    Cal Northern School of Law does not participate in TITLE IV funding through the U.S. Department of Education or any other federally-sponsored financial aid program.

    this page says TITLE IV funding includes Pell Grants

  121. Jeff G. says:

    I don’t much give a fuck if this dude got a full scholarship and only wants to practice law to help poor orphans beat back the tyranny of gruel.

    He isn’t a citizen. He’s a law breaker.

    End of story.

    Staunch.

  122. Slartibartfast says:

    I wonder if he ever drove a car during the decade and a half since he was illegally in the US. Probably not, given that the bar decided he’s an upstanding citizen.

  123. leigh says:

    He’s a law breaker.

    Yup. I said that yesterday. GMTA.

  124. Jeff G. says:

    Illegal. He’s an illegal.

    The problem is right there in the name. So is the solution.

    Which is why the left (and certain “demographic pragmatist” RINOs) want to either change the name, or demonize those who use it.

  125. Jeff G. says:

    http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325

    8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code – Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
    misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
    at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
    officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
    officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
    States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
    willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
    imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
    imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

    Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
    in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
    imposed.

  126. happyfeet says:

    i think the better thing to do is just give him a green card – he applied for one 18 years ago it says

    chop chop

  127. Jeff G. says:

    Moby says what?

  128. leigh says:

    Proof? He says isn’t good enough. Were are his copies and why hasn’t he pushed harder?

    We have lots and lots of Green Card carrying Latinos around here. They can’t be that hard to get.

  129. leigh says:

    Where not were

  130. Slartibartfast says:

    Other silly pikachus know that green-card-applied-for doesn’t equate to green-card-granted.

  131. Jeff G. says:

    So no legally he is not entitled to admission to the bar, unless the bar changes it’s by laws.

    Then why try to argue otherwise? Happyfeet does it because he’s a griefer, a moby, and because he gets off on pretending toward moral superiority as a devout adept of the cult of Otherness (religious Christians and white trash trailer parkers need not apply; they can go suck a juicy cock then finish it off with a pack of Snowballs).

    What’s your excuse?

    If you don’t like the law — hell, the Mexicans sure can roof quickly, and besides, I don’t live in a border state, so it’s easy to advocate for those yearning to be free! — work to change it.

    Save that, you’re off point.

  132. Jeff G. says:

    He applied, slart. The evil xenophobe racists just want to punish the best of us.

    Racist.

  133. Slartibartfast says:

    The bar claims that his father is a naturalized citizen. If that were true, his green-card status would be automatically granted, pending some period of processing that I’m quite sure is shorter than 15 years or so.

  134. happyfeet says:

    So no legally he is not entitled to admission to the bar, unless the bar changes it’s by laws.

    that’s not true though…

    Bar officials, defending their recommendation, reminded the court that people who attend law school in California on a student or visitor visa have been admitted to practice law in the state.

    “After receiving their law licenses, they may return home to their countries of origin, they may remain here and attempt to adjust their status, or they may seek lawful permanent residence,” the bar said. “However, the grant of a law license provides no guarantee of a pathway to lawful employment in the United States for these individuals.”

    admission to the bar and being able to practice law are separate questions… if Chico had gotten convicted for being an illegal alien though I think their hands would’ve been tied

  135. leigh says:

    So, my bullshit detector is pegged on this guy’s sob story. A story that conveniently popped up just as the Amnesty issue reared it’s horned and ugly head once again.

    How odd.

  136. Slartibartfast says:

    Even other silly pikachus understand that the law applies to everyone, including (some might say: especially) people who want to be lawyers.

  137. Slartibartfast says:

    Bar officials, defending their recommendation, reminded the court that people who attend law school in California on a student or visitor visa have been admitted to practice law in the state.

    Key bits bolded to help the reading impaired.

  138. happyfeet says:

    Appellant, a resident alien, was denied permission to take the Connecticut bar examination solely because of a citizenship requirement imposed by a state court rule, which the state courts upheld against applicant’s constitutional challenge.

    Held: Connecticut’s exclusion of aliens from the practice of law violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Classifications based on alienage, being inherently suspect, are subject to close judicial scrutiny, and here the State through appellee bar committee has not met its burden of showing the classification to have been necessary to vindicate the State’s undoubted interest in maintaining high professional standards. Pp. 413 U. S. 722-729.

    that’s from a 1973 Supreme Court decision

    I bolded the key bits

    I wonder if this played into the thinkings of the California bar’s decision

  139. Slartibartfast says:

    Your key bits bolded show that you still do not know how to read. The person in question is not just an alien; he’s an illegal alien.

  140. happyfeet says:

    apparently that doesn’t make a difference to the state bar of california Mr. Slart… they’re saying he’s good to go pending approval of the Supreme Court, which may very well throw a wrench in the works

  141. leigh says:

    That’s not what the cite says, happy.

  142. Slartibartfast says:

    happyfeet, absolutely no one here is arguing that the California Bar has not approved entry of said person.

  143. happyfeet says:

    yes but the title of the post says the bar said that he should be allowed to practice law

    that is not what their opinion says they say there’s some very real problems with that ever happening

  144. Slartibartfast says:

    Bizarrely, the California Bar’s case to the California Supreme Court states in the same paragraph that Garcia is both a resident and nonresident alien. See Page 30, here.

  145. Jeff G. says:

    yes but the title of the post says the bar said that he should be allowed to practice law

    The title of the post is taken from the article, which begins thusly:

    An illegal immigrant who passes the bar exam and demonstrates good moral character should be eligible to practice law, the State Bar has declared in a court filing.

    I added the bolding.

    Also, while you can be a resident alien under certain descriptions while being an illegal, you are also an illegal, and so a lawbreaker.

  146. Slartibartfast says:

    the title of the post says the bar said that he should be allowed to practice law

    Yes, but Garcia himself is arguing for this (from my link, above):

    WHEREFORE Applicant Sergio Garcia requests that this court admit him to practice law in California

  147. happyfeet says:

    i think the key word there is eligible – the question of whether he can practice is not up to the bar

  148. happyfeet says:

    yes slart Chico is appealing to the Supreme Court not the bar

  149. Slartibartfast says:

    My link doesn’t go to the California State Bar’s pleading, but rather: Garcia’s. Not sure what if anything the Bar has filed with the CA SC.

  150. Slartibartfast says:

    the question of whether he can practice is not up to the bar

    It’s not? Where are licenses to practice law granted, if not by the bar?

  151. Jeff G. says:

    happy is taking us in into the weeds quite deliberately. The point is, the state bar shouldn’t be approving the eligibility of anyone here illegally, particularly on the basis that they have the moral character, having been living as lawbreakers (and breaking the law routinely) for years and years. Doing so provides just another building block upon which to tilt all roads left.

    happyfeet argues from emotionalism; that’s the bailiwick of the left and the mo for all those interested in greasing every last slippery slope toward legal relativism — itself a necessary precondition of fascism.

    Which he knows.

  152. Ernst Schreiber says:

    So, my bullshit detector is pegged on this guy’s sob story. A story that conveniently popped up just as the Amnesty issue reared it’s horned and ugly head once again.
    How odd.

    No kidding. Sorta like how INS (or whatever the hell it’s called these days), always manages to find some (conveniently telegenic) family that they’ll be forced to break up by sending the illegal Mommy/Daddy back home if the redneck haterz keep insisting that they do their jobs.

  153. Slartibartfast says:

    Garcia’s pleading is more notable in what it doesn’t say than in what it does. If there were clear details that would tend to make his case stronger, he’d have included them. But I think those details would tend to make it look as if he’s been lying all of these years on various things like college applications, drivers license applications, etc. I’d bet money that he has voted.

    I have a certain sympathy with the guy: he’s been living a lie since before he was an adult, and has probably been living in some kind of (low grade; this is, after all, California) fear that he’ll be caught.

    The problem is what to do with him. I would have no objection to him obtaining a work visa through some sponsoring organization as, say, the California State Bar. But permitting him to function as an openly illegal alien and practice law in the US is, I say, NOT the correct answer.

  154. leigh says:

    There was one kind of like that the other day, Ernst. Sheriff Joe’s deputies in Maricopa County “arrested” a six year old girl who was found on the streets. The girl had been abducted from Mexico and (they speculate) was to be sold as a sex worker had not the Sheriff’s office stepped in and removed her to safety.

    Is the Sheriff’s office being painted as heroes? Hells no. We’re locking up SIX YEAR OLD GIRLS FOR GAWD’S SAKE!!!

  155. Jeff G. says:

    The Bushies are all for this, by the way.

    We have to agree to the government refusing to uphold its laws — and agree to our own demise. All so that politicians can have more tax revenue to spend.

    Revolution time is (once again) nigh.

  156. leigh says:

    Thankfully, the Bushes are irrelevant today. They just steeple their fingers and peer at us over their half-glasses and tsk-tsk.

  157. Ernst Schreiber says:

    The problem is what to do with [Garcia]. I would have no objection to him obtaining a work visa through some sponsoring organization as, say, the California State Bar. But permitting him to function as an openly illegal alien and practice law in the US is, I say, NOT the correct answer.

    Fine with me, as long as he deports himself back to Mexico first.

  158. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Thankfully, the Bushes are irrelevant today.

    Who do you suppose is going to people a Romney administration?

  159. happyfeet says:

    The problem is what to do with him. I would have no objection to him obtaining a work visa through some sponsoring organization as, say, the California State Bar. But permitting him to function as an openly illegal alien and practice law in the US is, I say, NOT the correct answer.

    I agree with this

  160. Jeff G. says:

    Thankfully, the Bushes are irrelevant today.

    You’re joking, right? They are the ones at war with the TEA Party.

  161. Slartibartfast says:

    Here is the state Bar’s brief to SCOCA. Conclusion:

    For all the foregoing reasons, the Committee respectfully requests that its pending motion for the admission of Sergio C. Garcia to the practice of law in California be granted.

    So, long way around: yes, the California State Bar IS in fact wanting to grant Garcia the right to practice law in CA.

  162. leigh says:

    Apparently, I should have used a sarcasm tag.

  163. motionview says:

    What does a mind bent by cartoon characters intend?

  164. leigh says:

    I don’t see “slavery!” when I see those shoes. I thought “Huh. They look like the shackles that felons wear in court, only orange. Prison chic.”

    All those yutes who don’t tie their shoes? This looked like a solution. I was wrong.

  165. palaeomerus says:

    ” Nevada, Colorado, Montana, etc.”

    Nevada, Colorado, Montana etc. can call bullshit all they want to, because those states are not where most of them went. Georgia, Texas, and Flordia sucked up most of them.

  166. palaeomerus says:

    Montana only has a million people. Nevada is losing population despite being one of the fastest growing states a few years ago. Colorado is growing (mostly in suburbs) but it went blue since 2008 or so Californian exodites are not likely the big problem there.

  167. Abe Froman says:

    Montana only has a million people. Nevada is losing population despite being one of the fastest growing states a few years ago. Colorado is growing (mostly in suburbs) but it went blue since 2008 or so Californian exodites are not likely the big problem there.

    What does whether a state is red or blue, large or small have to do with anything? Ask some long time residents of an actual Western state about the negative influence of California transplants on their state’s culture. That’s really not something you can refute by Googling inflow and outflow patterns.

  168. LBascom says:

    Sorta like how INS (or whatever the hell it’s called these days), always manages to find some (conveniently telegenic) family that they’ll be forced to break up by sending the illegal Mommy/Daddy back home if the redneck haterz keep insisting that they do their jobs.

    Ernst, we’re about to get the reverse. How can you deport the illegal Mommy/Daddy back home when their children are here practicing law for God’s sake. Wait for it…

    Revolution time is (once again) nigh.

    Jeff, the revolution is six years in. We’re being rebelled against, and we better get off defense damn soon, if it’s already not too late.

    Georgia, Texas, and Flordia sucked up most of them.

    Oregon was first, a generation or two ago. Nevada during the Terminator years. I don’t know where they’re going now, but Texans shouldn’t let happyfeet in, that’s for sure. The Alamo will have been for nothing.

    Ask some long time residents of an actual Western state about the negative influence of California transplants on their state’s culture.

    I lived in Wyoming during the Carter/Reagan transition, and the people there held Californians in great contempt. A condescending, entitled attitude doesn’t go well with being dangerous fuckers on the road or on a hunt, leaving heaps of litter wherever they go.

    And that was just the tourists…

  169. happyfeet says:

    I make a positive contribution wherever I go and I always leave my campsite cleaner than when I found it.

  170. leigh says:

    I was born and raised in California, just like Darleen and McGehee. I don’t think any of us are contemptible.

  171. LBascom says:

    Have you bought bullets yet, for your gun? If so, here’s a hint, deer don’t wear John Deere hats. They’re different.

  172. McGehee says:

    Well, leigh — we knew why we were leaving. That makes us the exception.

  173. leigh says:

    True dat, McGehee.

  174. LBascom says:

    Oh, give it a rest leigh. I don’t think Darleen or McGehee are contemptible

  175. newrouter says:

    I always leave my campsite cleaner than when I found it.

    oh so you’re stealing stuff

  176. leigh says:

    Just me then, I guess.

  177. LBascom says:

    Try and keep up leigh.

    I lived in Wyoming during the Carter/Reagan transition, and the people there held Californians in great contempt

    Maybe you could hire a person in the country illegally as an attorney and sue the shit out of the people there in Wyoming. They would expect no less…

  178. leigh says:

    What are you on about? I have not once defended the illegal alien lawyer guy on this thread.

  179. LBascom says:

    It ain’t about you leigh, honest!

    oh so you’re stealing stuff

    heh.

  180. LBascom says:

    Besides leigh, you live in Oklahoma. Show up in Wyoming with those plates, and there will be completely different expectations. They would probably even pull you out if you were stuck in a ditch, without collecting $20 first. That’s the kinda thing a Californian does.

    At least that’s how the stories went.

  181. happyfeet says:

    no bullets yet but if food stamp gets four more years I’m a buy me something sexy and german

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