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Yay gay marriage!
Call a pig a rose if you want, but the the critter won’t smell as sweet.
Some pig!
Mmmm….bacon.
Obama 2012! Staunch!
Texas prison inmate defeats Obama in 8 counties in West Virginia Democratic primary
You mean ‘some rose‘?
What’s a pig?
SHINY PENNY.
I think Obama is honestly conflicted on gay marriage. As a far left ideologue, he would of course be fully supportive of a leading Prog coalition partner’s key grievance. As a really far left ideologue, however, , well, if you ask Comrades Castro and Chavez, and Stalin and Mao, clearly the People have no time for such frivolity. Mince your way into the camps gentlemen, we’ll gay marry you to your pickaxes. Now dig and fill and prance and sing and make it fabulous.
God bless Texas!
Obama 2012: Turkish bath house coming to an area near you!
Romney 2012: How come I flip flop and he gets to “evolve?”
Inmate Judd has The. Best. Mullet. Ever.
Did you see how he draped the “party” end over his shoulder for the, uh, photo shoot?
That dude is going pro. 1st round.
I think Obama is honestly conflicted on gay marriage. As a far left ideologue, he would of course be fully supportive of a leading Prog coalition partner’s key grievance.
Yes, but this isn’t something he necessarily want to advertise to his most ardent supporters. You know, those who were going to get that Obama money to pay for their gas and stuff.
They’re a reason that folks are on the “down low” in black communities.
I say newly-married gays get slapped with the marriage penalty for 30 years or so. Call it ‘reparations’ for all the years they didn’t have to pay their fair share.
The operative question is “Mr. President, why did you decide to stop lying about your position on homosexual marriage right now?”
It’s still not going to cost him any black votes.
So much for his “To me, as a Christian, marriage is a sacred union”.
I want to watch him burst into flames one of these days.
DEATH THREAT!
I can’t quite figure out the reasoning for his latest shift here. It’s not like this wasn’t an issue back in 2008 and as best I can figure out the political trade-offs he had already settled on a better public position (pander/lie/bullshit).
Anyone have a unified theory?
Heh. I figured if Hillary! has made it all these years wearing her flaming pants suit, maybe she would put the hoo-doo on him.
I think he got forced into making this announcement earlier than expected by Biden shooting from the lip on the Sunday shows, bh.
It’s also as Carin said, another Look! Shiny! to distract from the crappy economy especially when the whole house of cards collapses this summer.
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The operative question is “Mr. President, why did you decide to stop lying about your position on homosexual marriage right now?”
Distraction.
At this point the weight of the landslide loss is becoming so apparent that clutching at straws is all they’ve got left.
Where ya been sdferr? I missed you.
Look who suddenly favors the 10th Amendment!
Lord knows how important it is to pander to grievance groups. The economy, however? Screw it.
Carin,
Black Americans might be upset about this, but change their vote? Come on. And any Preacher in any predominantly black church is NEVER gonna bring this up in a sermon.
Latinos? Maybe. This sure as hell ain’t gonna sit well with Catholic parishioners (ya’ know, the ones who actually hear about it).
To borrow from his highness’s speech, “me personally,” I don’t give a damn if there’s places in America where gay folk can marry. As long as the law came from the voters in that state and not the bench? Then good for them. Celebrate. But I don’t care for edicts from a wannabe king.
And ‘feets, I mean no offense. But this ain’t a federal civil rights issue (yet, and when/if it is, cool). It’s a states rights issue. If enough voters in California want gay marriage licenses legal? Fine by me. It’ll explode Family Law courts, but best of luck (hope you ladies & gents have a lower divorce rate than us heteros). But California can’t force Oklahoma, who voted against it, to recognize the “marriage” as anything other than a civil union.
I think Obama will say or do about anything to keep people talking about gay marriage, contaception or abortion.
As long as we aren’t talking about taxes, the economy or individual freedom he is cake.
Anyone have a unified theory?
String Theory.
That’s the one with unlimited layers of alternate universes, right?
Hey, at least no one is talking about the economy. Or Fast and Furious. Or Jon Corzine. Or Libya. Or Syria. Or Egypt. Or eating dogs.
Anyone have a unified theory?
Incumbent enjoying below 50% re-elect rating with economy heading for second downturn and unpopular-to-ghastly political record desperately needs a distraction and to rally his base.
Thanks to his Praetorians in the media, it’ll work for the rest of this week. I’m not sure what he’s going to do with the remaining 20 plus weeks. That’s a whole lot of stunts–maybe he starts by assisting at a partial birth abortion? Get those single gals sewn up.
Sounds like the consensus is that it’s a distraction. I can’t think of a better answer.
It’s an admission of weakness.
I think we need to start a distraction score sheet so we can follow along at home.
You darn well know the press will talk about anything but Obama’s record.
That’s the one with unlimited layers of alternate universes, right? And as yet no falsifiable predictions. Grant $ + no way for experiment to trump theory = PROFIT!
How about the WH could see that staying with this particular lie was just a bridge too far for the WH press corps. It was so blatant, and while they might drop trou for the Man to go along with a Prog lie, providing cover for Obama while he was pushing such an obviously stupid and “reactionary” lie was just too much. The WH press corps now ha a scalp, it’s drinks for everyone at the Press Manhole tonight, and here’s to Victory 2012: Let’s drag this bastard across the finish line while there’s still some mass in our media.
Take it to Chicago and really “re-create ’68”.
What’s everybody always say? Follow the money. Those big checks from Dem donors won’t write themselves, and at this point they’re way more important to his election strategy than those poor ignorant rubes who will vote for him even if he started mouth kissing John Revolta in the Oval Office.
Or oval orifice.
Sounds like the consensus is that it’s a distraction.
So, it’s a look over there!…a bunny! kinda thing?
Ok.
But don’t say I didn’t warn ya.
Obama, Axlerod & Plouffe have got this kinda crap piled up an inch wide and a mile deep from here to November. And the media has been instructed on the plan, knows the goal, and exactly what they’re supposed to do.
And from Romney, to Boehner, to our top guy in the Senate, McConnell (what has no chin and always talks with marbles in his mouth), they will always accept the premise presented.
Every goddamn time.
“Guys, they said something about us. Huddle up, and we’ll figure out what to say back…but, nice. Even. You know, no rough stuff…we don’t want to offend independents”.
I’m with Cranky. Give their shit the silent treatment. On camera everyday. Economy. 24/7. Fuck the rest (well, maybe toss in some foreign policy nut shots if you want).
maybe it was the gay marriage
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Obama was for gay marriage, before he was against gay marriage, but now he is for gay marriage again…but let the states decide it.
Okay, how about letting the states decide it?
Take it to Chicago and really “re-create ’68?.
Chi-Town or not, that shit is gonna happen anyway. In a lot of places. As sure as the sun comes up tomorrow.
Playbook, baby. Playbook.
Occupy is not grass roots. It’s grass fed. And who you think be growin’ that grass?
Better to do it in North Carolina if you want to do it right, with Occupy dressed in Tea-Party costume, don’t you think?
Bleep.
Definitely a distraction.
Hey, did you hear the justice Department is suing Sheriff Joe Arpaio for human rights violations? They also accuse him of having a culture of disregard for basic constitutional rights.
too busy with finalizing cabinet appointments to come to the G8 summit at Camp David May 18-19
When you supplicate to the powerful through a lackey, you shouldn’t be surprised when you get treated like a lackey.
Mission accomplished!Reset, and Forward.Vlad knows a lame duck when he sees one.
“Too busy finalizing cabinet appointments”? He may just as well have said that he’d love to, but he has to wash his hair that day.
Putin and Obama have an understanding. Business will get done after the election.
Maybe comrade Putin is not as much of a fan of the au naturale as our serious-minded betters. Where is the Mrs. these days anyway?
He’s gonna be finalizing Chapman that weekend, IYKWIM.
If one doesn’t command respect, one won’t get any.
I saw Putin with Mrs. Putin on teevee just the other day. I think he trots her out when people make too much noise about not having seen her for quite a while.
They also accuse him of having a culture of disregard for basic constitutional rights.
Well…Sheriff Joe does make ’em all wear pink underwear.
Outrage!
Business will get done after the election.
Putin guts oil oligarchs, murders dissidents, rides horses shirtless (for some reason), catches 10lb trout out of Mother Russia’s streams with his bare hands, subdues Hillary Clinton by just staring at her, tells us what’s what on missile defense. He whips Fedor Emelianenko ass every morning before breakfast, rides a giant Siberian bear to and from work everyday, and thinks the guy in the Dos Equis commercial is a pussy.
He’s like an evil Chuck Norris.
Meanwhile, in America.
And he rode home from the golf course on a bicycle.
Wearing Mom jeans and a gay helmet.
And that’s not all .
gay marriage is cool!
The whole recreate 68 thing kind of amazes me.
Are they really that stupid that they don’t know how that ended?
You can’t get gay married if you don’t have a gay job, happy.
gay marriage is cool!
that’s insulting to the lgbt community
yes be cool stay in school
nobody wants to marry a dumbass
yes be cool stay in school
stop supporting the nea!
lying liars what lies dept:
2004 video: Obama on why he opposes gay marriage; Update: Obama already sending out fundraising e-mails about gay marriage flip flop
But we gave ’em a “reset button”, leigh.
I saw Hillary do it! There were pictures!
And it was a real toy. No bullshit! It was a joint effort by the Pentagon’s finest contractors, Matel and Fisher Price just for Hillary. It had a working red button and everything!
I just don’t get it. Maybe Putin and the
KGBFSB harbor some sort of grudge.Butthurt and whatnot.
that’s insulting to the lgbt community.
Something is only insulting when they demand it is.
You’re fucking up the meme newrouter.
He didn’t flip flop…he evolved. Get with the program.
I made a Haiku.
Electric squirrel
Yellow friend of Dan Savage
Buttsekks Equality
I was listening to Mark Levin when I went to pick up my son from CCD and he was talking to a gay black guy, a conservative btw, who said he was incredibly insulted by the Wonce and his pandering ways. He said he felt like the Wonce was playing gays for fools.
O/T but just heard on hannity that John F’n Kerry is lamenting the loss of his favorite Republican, Senator Lugar.
Almost brought tears to my eyes (from laughing;)
Further proof that Shep is working at the wrong network.
does “gay” marriage include lbt? should it not be lgbt marriage?
Yeah, Danger. A tragedy.
Kerry needs more such tragedies in his life.
yeh, let States decide …and then get judges involved if a few dont agree with what they decide…like we did in California.
Lugar is being rather a sore loser. Or Sore Lugar, isn’t he?
Gotta give it to Community Organizer in Chief. He already had the moocher vote; now the sodomizers are in his back pocket.
You know I just had a thought. Biden just basically screwed the pooch (but did not marry the pooch – yet) on National television, painting Obama into the proverbial corner, simply by being his normal, every day self – who is rather loose with his words.
He is, by all accounts, trusted with sensitive information essential to our National Security.
Well at least on the GOP side we’ve got a nominee who is a model of steely resolve on this issue.
Oh. Wait.
Sigh.
Don’t think I haven’t lately been considering a BLT marriage.
does “gay” marriage include lbt? should it not be lgbt marriage?</I.
Why are gays and lesbians referred to that way? Are they not both gay? How does dressing up like a person of your opposite sex make you a "man" or a "woman"? Even full Monty sex-changes aren't going to change your DNA, skeletal structure or musclature.
No wonder only 2% of the population gets involved in this nonsense. It's obviously a mental illness, regardless of what my fellow shrinks say at the conventions.
OK, for what else can team 44 come out next in order to keep folks from focusing on important shit?
Roboshep belongs at MSNBC, but he knows that not nearly as many people would see his pretty face, and that simply cannot be allowed to happen.
html fail. Sorry. Stupid html.
Kerry is a tragedy for the Senate.
Leftist personal growth ritual in progress… begin supporting chanting…NOW!
Go here for a minute Danger.
Liberals are mourning the loss of Lugar all over the place.
And some conservatives too.
Yuck.
But Alec’s Haiku was nice.
Drum circle!
My wife and I are in Abilene tonight.
Can’t seem to find a Kinko’s.
…but he knows that not nearly as many people would see his pretty face…
Sure, not as many. But pretty?
Uh…
is there a gov’t id to prove your are lgbt peeps? made up victim group nonsense see: “black” studies. to heck with the progslims.
Jesus God, but O! can really make me want to climb a tower and start shooting things …
(hey j/k ok? sheesh)
but his “statement” is full of all kinds of irrelevant shit. Most annoying is his dragging in his minor daughters and how they “schooled” him …
What a leader, can’t even formulate a policy answer when confronted by a couple of jr high kids’ running purely on personal emotion.
Can’t seem to find a Kinko’s.
FedEx Kinko’s Abilene TX
4133 S Danville Dr
Abilene TX 79605-7230
Damnit. Don’t go there Danger. (Good to know I’m not the only one with html fail.)
Meant here.
I don’t see where Obama’s evolutionary end product in favor of Gay Marriage changes anything. An executive order won’t change anything. And Cheney was for Civil Unions 13 years ago. So where is the glory from the bully pulpit. People who would vote for Obama yesterday will now vote for him? Please. Change will come from the states or from the Supreme Court. Until then the song remains the same.
Eh. I always figured that was where he got his economic policies. Just surprised that everyone hasn’t been promised a pony and icecream with sprinkles yet.
It’s a prism through which people in PA, OH, MI, etc. will see him. In ’08, he got to run as all things to all people. Now, not so much.
“An executive order won’t change anything”
maybe ruling by the italian co. fiat is not a good thing
McGehee, seems newrouter got you sorted out. If you and the better half are still in Abilene tomorrow…eat here.
Thanks, I was looking over closer to the college. Do you know if this one’s the same place that was open in the fall of 2004?
Lamont, we’re heading out early to go up the panhandle — but we think we might come back here sometime too. If I can remember the Beehive for then, we’ll be sure to check it out.
And he blurted out that SEAL Team 6 carried out the bin Laden op.
Gawker calls BS on Obama’s coming out of the closet on gay marriage…
A profile in courage this is not!
Change will come from the states or from the Supreme Court. Until then the song remains the same.
You really think so?
Do you know if this one’s the same place that was open in the fall of 2004?
i just be idiot in the rust belt googling stuff. bon chance.
The most dangerous card of all, the last card to be played in his desperate attempt to stay in office: a war of choice.
A profile in courage this is not!
whaaaa? the goddamn president who is up for re-election just said it was ok by him if your son married someone else’s son
*maybe* it’s not brave per se, given that he has the crack forces of America’s whore-banging Secret Service studs protecting his dirty socialist ass, but you have to admit at the very least that it’s a very novel view, historically
It’s good eatin’ McGehee.
Don’t know how far you’re going up the handle, but I know some spots in Amarillo, Pampa, and Borger (well…not so much Borger). If you eat in Borger, you’re not gonna smell or taste anything except whatever the refinery is cooking out the stacks that day. Whew! It’s kinda like eating sea food in Texas City. You don’t. Just drive the few miles on over to Galveston.
If you guys wind up on 287 on the way home, give a wave for me if your on it long enough to blow through Wichita Falls.
Safe trip.
whaaaa? the goddamn president who is up for re-election just said it was ok by him if your son married someone else’s son
those blank slates to project on can hit you in your head sometimes. chop chop
whaaaa? the goddamn president who is up for re-election just said it was ok by him if your son married someone else’s son
did liz warren make him “big chief”?
yes, O! was wery wery brave what with his pandering to the coastal radicals while knowing any melanin-enriched that would criticize him will be eviscerated like a dozen Naomi S-Rileys …
and he can always blame Malia and Sasha, 14 and 11, who made him do it.
Oh c’mon happy. Did any one doubt that he was going to say this? And the he would find a way to insinuate that it was “for the chirrun”?
Dumbass probably discusses National Security with the little darlings, too. Just like Jimmuh and Amy Carter.
Are you thinking Syria sdferr? ‘Cuz it would have to be a war he could win quick, easy, & take credit for. And Syria ain’t it.
Jesus! He’s gonna bomb France!
Wait. No. He really likes that socialist idiot that just got elected over there.
He accidentally said “Maldives” last month! That could be it. Freudian slip!
We take them easy.
Did any one doubt that he was going to say this?
Yes. And I am too tired from my travels to do the googles but forever and ever Team Traditional Values-wif-a-capital-V has been gloating on and on about how Obama HAS THE SAME POSITION ON GAY MARRIAGE AS [insert (George W. Bush) or (budding Team R superstar)].
Dumbass probably discusses National Security with the little darlings, too.
Miss Teacher…? I can recite all the names of all the members of SEAL Team 6. Also, my Daddy ate the dog that ate our homework.
Obama HAS THE SAME POSITION ON GAY MARRIAGE AS [insert (George W. Bush) or (budding Team R superstar)].
dick cheney!!11!!
I’ve no idea which direction he’d turn lamont, but doubt Syria would be top o’ the list. More likely, for full on scare the bejeezus out of ’em effects, it’ll be somewheres else, like in the Persian gulf, say, or maybe on the Norks (to let the Southies absorb the blows).
Yes, and now he has the same position as Dick Cheney.
Are George W Bush, his mother or Dick Cheney (who was a sitting veep when he made his remarks) getting any back-thumps from the gay lobby? No, they eat puppies…wait. That’s Obama.
When Obama gets down with Team R on abortion, then we can talk trail-blazer.
suck the dick cheney you “gay” marriage chauvinists – lgbt community
and how awesome is dick cheney Mr. newrouter? and plus also he reproduced some value in the personage of one lizzy c in da hizzy!
compare and contrast with – um, pick any Team R stalwart at random
Chris Matthews says this is “earth shattering” (here, I thought he’d settle for the “economy shattering” that has already taken place) and that you are all a “pack of wolves” readying your bloody maws to smear the One in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
War of Choice? Oh no. He’ll take us to Sudan or some other unwinable, protracted place.
I would eat puppies in a fucking heartbeat if you told me lemongrass was involved and you threw in the word “reduction” somewheres
puppies fuck yeah!
My wife and I are in Abilene tonight.
McGehee,
I’ll be in the southern Mecca (Atlanta) next weekend for my daughter’s soccer tournament. Think we could get the Georgia division together (Stephanie, Donald & BMoe) for dinner/drinks?
I’ll take the three Huntsman girls. Perhaps the way things are going before long – all three.
language is interesting when you plant your standard on the term “gay”
My God, the President risked certain applause from his media Praetorians, the left, academia, Hollywood and his party’s core (but I repeat myself four times over).
Profile in Courage 2012.
Mr. Danger Mr. Danger
you are very very very omg so so close to here
I been wanting to go – I have friends who say we have to go, and you know someday I’m a get back there
Mr. newrouter? and plus also he reproduced some value in the personage of one lizzy c in da hizzy!
do you have any palin stuff to throw out there? a little debbie please?
“compare and contrast with – um, pick any Team R stalwart at random”
Ok,
Tom Coburn (who guides new little okie future conservatives into this world during his Senate Breaks)
Jim Demint ( the heart, soul and fundraising arm of the tea-party)
no Mr. newrouter I don’t have any “palin stuff” to throw out there
Anyone have a unified theory?
Yeah, but I can never make gravity fit.
Actually Obama’s official policy position is “leave it up to the states”. And he figures the courts can bully the states that ‘get it wrong’ by declaring their constitutional amendments unconstitutional by virtue of the judge being a judge and every one else being welcome to appeal it higher if they want.
That way he is sort of pro gay marriage but not at the forefront of it and not subject to permanently being tied to it if the polling and votes don’t go the way he hopes.
And yeah it’s funny how people forget that Dick Cheney was pro gay marriage but then say it doesn’t count because the Bush administration was supposedly SO hateful and homophobic. What they mean is that they had no idea and don’t care and don’t much care about gay issues except as a wedge issue and a chance to preen about how 21st century they supposedly are.
Color me a little tired of the reassurances about how much he and the rest of the gay marriage front “respect” the rights of churches to limit the sacrament to one man and one woman.
(1) No, they don’t. Not even a little. The spittle emitting hatred argues…differently.
(2) Am I supposed to be impressed with their acknowledgment of the First Amendment? Whoop-de-doo.
(3) If you really want to impress me with your commitment to genuine pluralism, enshrine in perpetuity the guarantee that the State will recognize as legally valid the marriages performed by churches that don’t conform to the gay marriage zeitgeist. But they won’t, because that would grant legitimacy to those people and their retrograde bigot factories. Again, the gay marriage gauleiters will grant no legitimacy to opponents. None whatsoever.
The refusal to go that extra step of guaranteeing the right to dissent makes the rhetorical “respect” a pile of posturing, tactical handwaving. To be immediately repudiated at the next stage of “evolution.”
sdferr, This joker might just bring it full circle and bomb Kuwait. They’re known pushovers.
Ok, ‘feets. Know your all tired and stuff, but we get it. It’s woo hoo! from here on out.
Congrats.
Bush spent a lot more money on AIDS prevention and research, much of it in darkest Africa. Did we ever hear about that? Nope.
Instead we get queers in SF and Hollywood hanging him in effigy and mockery on SNL. SNL dare not mock the Wonce, even though there is so much to work with.
Okay, how about letting the states decide it?
Two words: 14th Amendment.
Now what?
Mr. lamont it’s not me me me so much it’s just… I’m a victim of the zeitgeist I am
I’m very impressionable you know
Abortion should fall under the 14th by this logic.
Obama, the gauntlet is thrown.
Yeah, but I can never make gravity fit.
the putin cancellation of the g-8 thing makes me wonder what putin knows about O!
Putin Snubs Obama: Sorry, Too Busy to Come to Your Camp David Thing
well some background:
Glenn Beck Shows Next Book Paul Kengor “THE COMMUNIST” Frank Marshall Davis Barack Obama’s
because putin and the kgb wouldn’t know nothing
It would be interesting to know which current swing states have passed man woman marriage amendments to their respective constitutions.
It would also be interesting to know whether Holder’s Justice Dept has filed suit in federal court challenging them.
Was Prop 8 an amendment referendum?
wait wait wait Mr. BT this is a post about Obama and SAME SEX PARTNERSHIPS – not gay marriage
I think we’ve gotten way way off-track
motionview says May 9, 2012 at 5:34 pm
He’s gonna be finalizing Chapman that weekend, IYKWIM.
I don’t know…Putin tries way too damn hard to be Mr. Manly Man with his staged photo ops. Almost like he’s trying to overcompensate.
Sure, he has two daughters, but that was from back during his KGB days. The Commies were much, much less down with Teh Gheys than your nastiest Prop 8 supporter.
Hmmmm…..
wait wait wait Mr. BT this is a post about Obama and SAME SEX PARTNERSHIPS – not gay marriage
it is lgbt “marriage” you anal idiot
Almost like he’s trying to overcompensate.
that’s because he’s gayer than christmas Mr. Price
I been trying to get the word out
Mr. newrouter l’s and g’s and b’s are cool beans… they’re our friends our neighbours our countrymen our family our kinsmen!
t’s is just freaks
you can’t take them anywhere
Abortion should fall under the 14th by this logic
No, it wouldn’t. If gays get legally married in MA and move to UT, the 14th would say UT has to honor that marriage.
But if you get an abortion in MA and then move to UT, what is UT supposed to recognize?
Chris Matthews says this is “earth shattering”…
So…we’ve gone from “tingle up your leg” to an “earth shattering” orgasm on National TV (granted, only 23 people were probably watching, but still)…?
Get off the set Chris. And, good Lord, man…change your pants.
this is a post about Obama and SAME SEX PARTNERSHIPS
the lgbt folks are disappointed about your narrow mindedness on this topic
that’s because he’s gayer than christmas Mr. Price
I think the proper term is “gayer than an Easter parade.”
I’m referring to the Equal Protection Clause. I get what you mean, though. I wasn’t arguing with you.
I think the proper term is “gayer than an Easter parade.”
my bad
“what is UT supposed to recognize?”
Dicentra
Just spitballing but; if you turn your hypothetical around and make the abortion in UT followed by a move to MA, I guess you could argue that MA would have to honor the (potential) murder indictment.
t’s is just freaks
you can’t take them anywhere
lgbt community goes hitler. to the showers!
Was Prop 8 an amendment referendum?
Yep.
the anti-8 crowd are arguing that CA citizenry have no right to amend their state constitution
Which (as Leigh recognized above) is an equal protection clause issue
oh the “gay” communists just threw the transgendered under the big O! bus
Dicentra I don’t think the 14th applies.
The elevation of marriage as a right happened with Lovings.
But i don’t recall any decisions declaring that the individual states can not define what marriage is.
“the anti-8 crowd are arguing that CA citizenry have no right to amend their state constitution”
Darleen,
That’s cus it’s a LIVING Constitution and amending it would kill it silly girl;)
So are coprophiles, necrophiliacs, and duck-fuckers.
There’s a difference between tolerating deviant behavior and reveling in it.
I thought it was “gayer than a French trombone.”
[That was back from when Letterman was funny.]
I think my favorite bit of staged Putiny goodness was his scubadiving into 20 foot deep water off the shore of Sevastopol in the Crimea…
and the Putmeister came up with a perfectly-intact 1300 year old Byzantine urn.
I guess that filled in the lack of a Belorussia Jones vibe in his resume.
He nails stewardesses, kills tigers, judos men half his age *and* does archaeology.
have you ever partied with duck-fuckers Mr. Cranium? man them guys is crazy I mean it for reals
good times
Dicentra I don’t think the 14th applies.
The elevation of marriage as a right happened with Lovings.
I’m not sure how the second statement follows the first. If marriage is a right, then what’s performed in one state must be honored in the others.
you can’t take them anywhere
Does any of your bullshit mean we have to listen to The Village People on XM?
Friends, Romans, countrymen…
Shakespeare probably figured Marc Antony blew a guy.
I’ll give you that one. Was Rome after all.
I’m having an interesting chat with two proggs I gleeped from an Adam Baldwin chat over gay marriage.
Mostly I’m just trying to see if they grok the categories I’m proposing.
So far, it’s EXACTLY what you’d expect. Can’t they come up with anything original?
They keep adding letters and they’re not always the same. So I googled. Read this and tell me you don’t initially think of the Judean People’s Front. People who spend their time making up acronyms like FABGLITTER and QUILTBAG should consider finding a better hobby.
It always ends up revealing something though. They’re trying to think up a way to say “not straight”. Just like “people of color” is a very odd set that composes everyone but white people. What a strange racial grouping. How about just saying “not white” then?
Is that too honest? Would it cause some internal discomfort to acknowledge that their proud definition of self is nothing more than “not them”.
(I’m talking about the crazy activist sorts from each group. The ones who think of themselves as Joe or Mary or Tom aren’t defective dumdums like these people.)
You do know what use the peter-puffers make of hamsters, don’t you?
Does any of your bullshit mean we have to listen to The Village People on XM?
No…. But let me know if you need that notarized I can go tomorrow.
If marriage is a right, then what’s performed in one state must be honored in the others.
I think dicentra has it right there, and me yeah I think it is a right… one that Teh State has no business delimiting, for if it can delimit something that fundamental it’s Statist Dance Party time all the time I think
but then I think yes as Americans we’re more than allowed to embrace things what the long-dead founding fathers never envisioned without committing treason against all things constitutional – the Pursuit Of Happiness being a Goddamn Big Idea, after all
You do know what use the peter-puffers make of hamsters, don’t you?
hello? snopes much?
They keep adding letters and they’re not always the same.
mr jeff i luv you in not lgbt way!
the Pursuit Of Happiness being a Goddamn Big Idea, after all
ax north carolina then yesterday dude
Depends upon how the justices decide to use the precedent.
Lovings held that marriage as defined as being between a man and a woman of the same race was unconstitutional.
Because Mass redefines the term does not mean that NC needs to accept their definition or start performing same sex marriages . Unless Scotus tells them they do. And that hasn’t happened.
Traditionally states were free to not recognize and grant full faith and credit to the marriages of sister states if the marriages violated a strong public policy of the first state. For example, if first degree cousins get legally married in state A, state B with stricter consanguinity regulations would not have to recognize or give full faith and credit to the marriage.
But, because geniuses like dippyfeet have concluded that the only reason one could possibly oppose the recognition of two men as a marriage is bigotry, I have my doubts that long standing doctrine would prevail. Because, as we all know, the world just ain’t right unless a few fegs from San Francisco can move to deepest Alabama and force everyone there to pretend that they’re man and wife.
there’s so much magic in texas really you just have to keep your eyes open
in LA mostly you just have “success stories”
which, that nice, and very very welcome, but it’s not the same hardly ever
ax north carolina then yesterday dude
yes in North Carolina the majority realized they could ass-rape the rights of the minority by simply going to the goddamn polls
ax ENTIRE CLOWARD PIVEN OBAMA SOROS strategy, dude
Mr. Jeff is the one who knows things about semiotics and doesn’t occasionally confuse signified and referent, nr.
Also, he’s Alex from a movie and I’m cat from a ceiling.
*that’s* nice I mean
I tried to read it, bh. But after “History” and “Variants” I’d already gone way too many yards down range…went spin-drift and dropped right in the dirt.
Dicentra…No. They can’t. Stop bothering and just link a few YouTube cuts from Sex in the City. That’ll shut ’em up for a while. Or keep messin’ with ’em. Your show.
I was thinking of the “Variants” section, LYBD. It’s just so silly.
i really am tired today i discovered that fucking Oakland has a Chinatown – who knew? So I went for vietnamese thinking I would find “clay pot,” which, in my experience, is tasty and not very carby (plus you can hardly at all find vietnamese anywhere in the valley where I live so when you have a a chance you need to exploit it) – but no this one didn’t have clay pot – it was tasty but lunch ended up being more of an appetizer – I got “tamarind shrimp” – which turned out to be sticky sweet fried (breaded, carby) shrimp with hardly any carb-free vegetables involved (but with brown rice… which occupies a weird carby purgatory all its own)
then after lunch as I was heading to where I was hopeful I might could get a cab to the airport I passed “authentic Cambodian”…
damn. That would’ve been fun and new for me.
Marriage is a natural right arising from the natural desire to beget progeny.
What’s natural about Bob & Ted & Carol & Alice & the turkey baster?
oh do please date yourself
And it’s Pursuit, not Guarantee Backed by the Full Faith and Credit of the United States.
Equality of outcome is for commie useful idiots.
persnickety!
I’ll stop pretending to be a film enthusiast when you stop pretending to be a gourmand.
It’s just so silly.
It was like the dialogue from some evil pharmaceutical company’s HR “welcoming video” for new employees.
Jesus Christ.
This, obviously.
I am NOT a gourmand by any means whatsoever I’m just super-curious to see what sort of stuff people want to make me to eat
you know they don’t HAVE to do that and yet they do
god bless em
And I had to google Ted and Alice and hope that was enough to find the other two title characters from a movie I’ve never seen.
hah I did the same
One thing that you do notice with humans is that our kids take forever to develop (our big ol’ brains) before they can survive on their own. That means a long pair bond (marriage) and a huge amount of male investment (prohibitions on fornication and adultery). There are natural aspects of having kids and we see that our marriage traditions are in accord with them.
Let’s consider gay people in their natural state. No kids. No need for formalized pair bonds (no progeny) or prohibitions on premarital sex (there’s no chance of a child without promised male investment) or prohibitions against cheating (no reason to worry about a man having other claims to his resources).
Ernst’s statement makes sense. Marriage is about kids.
(My addiction to parentheses is getting out of control again.)
And property.
Or, as Jefferson called it, Happiness.
Because Locke wasn’t enlightened enough.
So maybe a license to bear children is more important than a marriage license.
Not really. Slaves is why.
that’s very doctrinaire Mr. bh, which is awesome, don’t get me wrong… but “America” has so far always ever until recently been a rather more “defiant” concept, shall we say – larger and grander, even, than … analyses what reference”formalized pair bonds” I think
Life Liberty and Property (including chattel slaves) was too doublethinky for Jefferson? is that it?
Awhile back our social norms made a marriage the functional equivalent of a child creation license.
We’ve gone away from that and, bam, male investment in offspring has declined. Which sorta sucks for those kids.
This, obviously.
Fortunately, that makes much more sense than my interlocutors on Twitter, who started by asserting that Sowell was WRONG WRONG WRONG that the gay marriage supporters were only trying to force the godbotherers to accept their lifestyle, and just now culminated in:
in the nick of time I can say a sicker rhyme cause of it’s time for change
like a nickel or a dime!
It’s how I think about these things because natural right theory gives us a foundation to reason from, ‘feets. What else am I gonna worth with?
gonna work with
you can work with a mere instinct about what’s fair Mr. bh
it’s certainly not unheard of… especially amongst those “natural law” types you find on the internets
and, of course, you can also work with what you’d want for or gay son or daughter
for *your* gay son or daughter is what that’s opposed to say
did i mention i was zauhsted?
You could try using your passions, bh.
But then ceiling cat would turn electric yellow and cartoony
like a perverse characature of the Incredible Hulk.
So maybe a license to bear children is more important than a marriage license.
I’m with you, BT, but please don’t give the current government any ideas.
It’s hard enough to renew my damn driver’s license.
Ernst’s statement makes sense. Marriage is about kids.
Except we have to be clear about the path of causality: we don’t get married so that we can have kids, we get married because hetero sex results in kids who need to be raised by a mom and a dad.
ALSO, marriage is the union between the cosmic complementarities: male and female, yin and yang. It grows you up to be bound by law and custom to an alien being.
My instincts don’t match others though. That’s not a basis for civil society. It’s certainly not a way to reason because it’s the opposite of reasoning.
As for my gay son or daughter I think I’d like for them to date lots of people when they’re young and then settle down with one person and get a German Shepherd. If it went well, I’d want them to sign some contracts. Mainly I’d want them to visit more than just on the holidays.
Most interesting idea I’ve read all day:
And the essay is pretty interesting as well.
in the nick of time I can say a sicker rhyme cause of it’s time for change
Madonna? Really?! Well, fuuuuck you, sir.
Adam Yauch dies six days ago, and you show up and disrespect a great with that pitiful shit.
This is how it’s done.
Go to sleep happy. You’re “zauhsted”.
You’re just wasting words bh.
What is it with the ADHD zen poet court jester act anyway? I could see doing it for three or four posts as a gag but it’s 80% of the time. It does not create an air of creatively sage hip authority. It’s like watching a street puppeteer try to find an act in all of his weird mannerisms and habits.
Mr. Yauch actually was a opening act for this “Madonna” back in the day of his own volition but if it helps I respectfully quoted Mr. Y earlier this evening here
OK, although I’m a well known God-botherer and member of the oppresive xtianist taliban, I’ll put that aside for a moment…
At the risk of sounding like Nishi, it’s clear from the standpoint of evolutionary psychology that the male-female pair bond has “selected” to achieve the greates procreative success across the millenia; which, in turn, has been adopted as the norm by societies and codified in part to assure lineage and allow for the orderly transfer of “stuff” between generations. Furthermore, there’s the biological imperitive; until relatively recently only male-female pairs could have a chance of successfully producing offspring.
Just like aeroplanes are not called flying cars, nor vice-versa, even though they both share some of the traits and elements, so too shouldn’t a same sex union be called a marriage…
Having said all this, I think that the NC amendment was an over-reach, since it didn’t provide for the contingency of civil unions. Which denies a vital element of personal liberty to LBGT couples.
While the motivation may have been rooted in religious belief, those involved forget that Christ said that people could only come to believe by their own free will…
The Constitution’s first amendment guarantees freedom of religion, which can be restated, without losing any accuract, as a freedom of personal cosmology. It would occur to me that a member of the LBGT community might include same sex domestic partnerships as part of their secular cosmology. In that respect, their rights are being infringed upon. At least that’s what I think…
I know that there’s been a vast over-reach on the part of the militant LBGT activists over the years, but that’s no reason to deny them their liberty. After all, two wrongs don’t make a right-schoolyard wisdom, I know, but it contains sagacity.
Is my reasoning wrong? Perhaps…But, you know, let’s say my position is evolving ;)
you kinda rock mr. bob, in your own way
Oh, and my regards to all. I know it’s been a while since I’ve been able to hang out.
This raising kids thing is like a full time job. Soon though, I suspect, I’ll be able to get back into the groove.
Until then, I’ll just try to keep up…
In cyberspace, nobody can hear you pound the table.
Thanks happyfeet ;)
I spoke to some folks today who’s reaction was to repeat the cliche, “Hate is not a family value”, several times. My response was much like I wrote above, but also included some other remarks about the right to hate, if I choose to; at the obvious risk of being ostracized by society. “What exactly are family values”, I asked; something we apparently subordinated to those taught in the public school system…
And, I added, why is it that we’re supposed to tolerate every sort of behavior but that which the PC types had decided shouldn’t be tolerated.
I’m working on an essay about it for Dan’s place, but have limited time each day due to Bob the younger’s demands on my time; which I don’t begrudge him one bit :)
All the best to you.
Serrano now needs an update. Call it Christ-#2.
It’s always nice to see you when you get a chance to pop in, Bob.
I don’t want to be treated like a denatured, fungible social commodity. And neither does my wife.
Mr. Yauch actually was a opening act for this “Madonna”
Did you stretch a muscle going back that far?
It was 1985 ‘feets. If you weren’t Motley Crew, Guns & Roses, Van Halen or some other one-off “big hair” band, then you opened for Madonna in…1985.
Who’s opening for that old, yoga’d out, blue veined, ropey muscled thing now?
Good Lord. Can I get you some Cher tickets. You and Chaz can dance it up.
And your “shout out” to Adam Y was more like grave dancing, but that’s your bag.
I second bh. His two comments so far were…soothing.
Is that weird to say?
Anyway, look forward to the piece over at Dan’s joint.
BH: Here’s my unified theory on why he did it at this time.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/obama-george-clooney-fundraiser-15-million-322630
From leigh way back here
Short answer, not enough identity groups that way.
Having said all this, I think that the NC amendment was an over-reach, since it didn’t provide for the contingency of civil unions. Which denies a vital element of personal liberty to LBGT couples.
Except that this does not consider the Reinhardt ruling in the Prop 8 case. The 9th Circuit held that because California had already instituted a full-rights civil union law, denying marriage under Prop 8 (which left the civil unions system untouched) was super-duper bigoted under Romer.
In light of that reasoning (so to speak), State law bans have no option except to sweep up civil unions, too. Which is a shame, I agree.
One of the reasons the mental health folk have lost a lot of credibility with me. No consistency or reason at all, far too much political pandering.
“I really like to gamble.”
You have a gambling addiction, you need treatment.
“I really like to drink.”
You have an alcohol addiction, you need treatment.
“I really like sucking other men’s dicks.”
You are perfectly normal.
Civil unions would mostly be a done deal, but it just isn’t good enough for them. Unless we declare that something that isn’t a man and a woman is just exactly like a man and a woman, they’re not satisfied. Which is why all the fairness arguments are lies. They could have fairness easily.
Lamont, we’ll be in Amarillo for a couple of days, then moving farther north before heading home.
Danger, Atlanta ITB is a place I try to avoid unless I have absolutely no choice in the matter. Also, I can’t promise we’ll even be back down that way by then.
State law bans have no option except to sweep up civil unions, too. Which is a shame, I agree.
It should be noted that the NC amendment also adds that nothing in it outlaws private, contractual arrangements.
So people who don’t qualify for civil marriage can still set up households and receive benefits from employers that wish to extend them.
brass monkey! that funky monkey!
when gay marriage is against the law only outlaws will get gay married Mr. Pablo
hf
same-sex couples can knock themselves out with any ceremony, living arrangement, contracts they want. The State is totally neutral on their relationship(s). Just like ignoring polyamorous relationships.
The state just defines the core institution it will sponsor.
Not everyone qualifies to get into the military and receive its special benefits. Same with marriage.
I heard someone arguing “but what if a gay soldier cannot leave benefits to their samesex spouse?” and I understand the compassion. But what if it were a single soldier who was the sole caretaker of his/her elderly mother? or father? That parent wouldn’t be entitled to benefits either.
yes Darleen but in the future gay couples will be able to get married and The State will be even more neutral on their relationships
if same-sex couples are State sponsored, that is an expansion of government and decidedly not neutral to their relationship.
Let alone support of the false notion that men and women are fungible.
FORWARD!
The State will be even more neutral
I just had to see that again.
I know that there’s been a vast over-reach on the part of the militant LBGT activists over the years, but that’s no reason to deny them their liberty. After all, two wrongs don’t make a right-schoolyard wisdom, I know, but it contains sagacity.
I’m torn when it comes to this argument. On one hand, it is not for me to deny liberty to another. But on the other hand, if I have reason to believe that another group will use their new-found liberty as a weapon with which to crush the liberty of multitudes, it only stands to reason that I should hesitate to hand that weapon to them.
I got into a heated argument with a lesbian couple of my acquaintance over this exact dilemma. In essence, it boiled down to “I love the two of you dearly, and wish to see you happy. But though you are both terrific people, the leaders of your movement are sociopaths, and they will not stop at equal rights, nor at tolerance. No, they will not be happy until they gain full acceptance, and they will use their political power to force acceptance on groups that, while tolerant, are never going to be cheerleaders for your cause.
“Guarantee to me that your leaders will not pursue political and legal action against church groups, or against secular groups who may be forced to tolerate, but will never officially approve of homosexuality. Guarantee me that you won’t continue to harass the Boy Scouts, or to cut Catholic charities off from participation in state welfare efforts and adoptions. Until then, you’re going to have to live with the fact that while I support the two of you, I can not and will not support the political movement of which you are a part.”
At least, that’s how I remember it. There was a lot of wine involved, so it might not have come out exactly like that. In any case, it was a very uncomfortable discussion, primarily because my counterparts have a hard time distinguishing between the personal and the political. I wonder why…
And I’ma get me an abortion!
baby steps, Pablo
Do both guys get screwed in the gay divorce? How does that work?
Baby thoughts, ‘feets.
Nope.
However, a fellow lieutenant Back In The Old Days™ told me that one of his college professors claimed to be not only a goose-fucker but one that enjoyed breaking the goose’s neck while performing the act. The professor claimed that the dying goose’s contractions were indescribable.
I don’t really believe that anyone’s life will be improved by the information presented in the previous paragraph. Just doing my bit for Cthulhu. Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn!
that’s so so wrong
This is awesome. I was just saying the other day how we really needed another grating issue to cleave the country in half.
I used to support gay marriage. Teh gheys lost me on “gay marriage” with their scorched earth Prop 8 campaign (the motivation for pro-traditional marriage can only be hate), being led by people like Dan Savage, with a simultaneous moral superiority / let’s-have-our-political-campaign-in-ghey-assholes approach, and their big lies. Regardless of the destruction they have wrought on our political life, however, they deserve equality before the law. I support the government recognizing any two-adult economic unit, with marriage and civil unions being recognized equally by the state. You can fight out the definition of marriage in the culture, not in the law. Fuck everybody.
I’m just looking forward to Anderson Cooper’s interview with The Reverend Jeremiah Wright where they discuss how black churches in general, and Wright’s church in particular, feel about the president’s evolving views on gay marriage. Andy might ask Jerry what sort of sermons Obama might hear if he still attended.
I’m sure Anderson’s producers have already booked Rev. Jerry. Lemme go check the website to see which night he’ll be on…
My friend has been gleefully rubbing in the presidential endorsement, as if it makes a difference in the aggregate. I have stated to her in the past (during the Catholic Church/Birth Control debacle) that it was only a matter of time until gays started agitating for Catholic marriages. She asserted that I was obviously over-reacting because there are LAWS.
I burst out laughing and told her to have a nice day.
The president coming out (snicker) in favor of gay marriage has zero effect on me, much like Bush embracing the
global warmingclimate change BS. The man is president, he isn’t my ruler or my conscience.“Tom Cruise won’t come out the closet” /South Park
That episode was funny. I think John Travolta joined him in there.
“Come out of that closet, Tom,” said Kyle.
“I like it in here,” said Tom.
John Travolta was in that episode. “It’s nice in here”
“Tom Cruise and John Travolta won’t come out the closet” sang R. Kelly. “So, I pulled out my gun and I shot some bitch.”
You recall it better than I.
My son watches the reruns all the time and we watch the new episodes together. Because I’m a bad mom. Or I’m teh awesome, depending on who I’m talking to.
but I think the overlooked point is now when Obama loses they can blame it on his support for gay marriage, which is very very face-savey for him, especially given how he’s raped the economy into a stupor, but also it’s a way to blunt any mandate Mr. Governor Romney may seek
“No, it wouldn’t. If gays get legally married in MA and move to UT, the 14th would say UT has to honor that marriage.
But if you get an abortion in MA and then move to UT, what is UT supposed to recognize?”
A much closer one would be the 14th (and Full Faith and Credit) being used to tell Nanny Bloomberg that his officers can’t say a thing about my .45 since TX saw fit to issue me a CHL. Heads would be exploding.
The savvy folk, of which there are many, will rightly blame Bam’s trounching on his feckless lack of leadership and narcissicism that causes him to grasp at the shiny brass rings of entitlements without considering the longterm fall-out of hasty decision making.
I hope someone counts all the spoons when they are packing.
Don’t you judge the neck-snapping goose-fucker with your judginess, judger. Why do you hate? When will you accept the beauty of what occurs between a man and his dead goose? It’s merely the love that dare not honk its name.
You hatey judger, you.
If my gay son(or daughter) told me he were getting gay married, I’d react the same as if he asked me to marry him.
Well…the laughing would be the same.
geeses are for christmas and for tasty pate and for making handy quill pens and cosy comforters and to let you know when winter’s a’comin’
please to not fuck the poultry
I heard about the duck fucking waaaay back when I got my first full time job as a construction laborer. Guy on the crew was expounding on the superiority of fucking ducks over chickens. Seems during the death throes, the duck gently paddles your balls with is webbed feet, truly delightful was the verdict.
A chicken, on the other
handfoot, has claws…I now know way too much about your pre-verted former co-workers, Lee.
Leigh, the ranks are filled with comedians, real and imagined.
That’s why I love this place. I mean, just try to bring up the great “duck- or chicken-fucking” question over at Contentions or National Review and see how far you get.
They never want to have an honest debate on the issues.
That guy was the real deal. Constantly had us in stitches.
It certainly will cost him votes in the swing states that he can not afford to lose. Which is a high price to pay for a statement that basically does nothing to change the status quo.
Yeah, Obama will only lose because Americans are both racist AND homophobic. Also, they don’t like the Mexicans, who are of course the best among us.
oh do please date yourself
here i stand, head in hand…
at the master’s foot.
Not good enough! We demand!
And while we’re at it, we want those neato handicapped parking thingies, too!
And it’s all about how much cheap grace we can say we supported in order to pad our resume.
To say nothing of our campaign coffers!
Why are gays and lesbians referred to that way? Are they not both gay?
Need lots of initials. Otherwise you might confuse a bacon-lettuce-tomato sammich with perverted sex.
Starships are meant to what?
Fly!
Airplane
Starship
Ask Alice
Why are gays and lesbians referred to that way? Are they not both gay?
You obviously don’t know many lesbians.