I understand your viewpoint that CU shouldn’t fire him for writing dumb things or having dumb viewpoints.
But, is CU under any obligation to provide him a venue for those viewpoints? Should the board of regents (or the trustees or whoever) be able to say, “You have the right to say whatever you want, however you want, to whomever you want. You just can’t do so here.”?
I don’t know much about tenure, but does that play in here at all?
Saith the Lord, “Thou shalt take the false Indian as thine enemy and drive him from the temple, lest his plague infect thine sons. But if thou shalt fail and his tenure be granted, thou shalt immediately turn on a dime and come to his defense, clothing thine arguments in the robes of free speech and open discourse, that thine own job security not be threatened.”
AFS, it should. I wouldn’t permit him any speaking engagements on campus. But it seems other colleges are willing to do so.
I would post a warning to prospective students in his course descriptions: “Warning. Professor Churchill’s classes and lectures will likely be focused on his anti-American hatred and support for radical extremists and murderers. Class discussion may be dangerous for those who are not like minded.”
Hey Jeff, how the hell do I trackback to PW? It never works.
For some people, trackbacks never seem to work. What software are you using to publish (version / build) and what URL did you try to trackback to (I’ll send the info on to tech support).
Allah—
Did you go to college? I did. And somehow I managed (miraculously! for I am of the chosen people!) to avoid being infected by the plague that is speech like Churchill’s. My secret? I innoculated myself with thought! And ye! Today I am a carrier of the antibodies necessary to defeat the disease.
Although I agree with the sentiments, and the conclusion, I was rather disappointed with the Goldblatt piece. Your current readers might benefit from a repeat of a couple of your golden oldies from 2 1/2 years ago, here and here. I know I learned a lot.
Just to lower the tone of the debate a little, is there any chance of CU firing him for being a fake Indian? What happens when a professor is found to have faked credentials?
Incidentally, in Churchill’s speech last night, he again made it clear that his argument was nothing more than the standard blowback argument—even going so far as to spell it out explicitly (see video).
He’s wrong. He’s a blowhard. He’s a Marxist revolutionary. And he’s irrelevant as a thinker in my opinion. But he’s making an academic argument. And for that, he shouldn’t be fired. Seems to me there are other reasons to dismiss him that won’t open the door to populist policing of what can and can’t be argued in the academy.
My secret? I innoculated myself with thought! And ye! Today I am a carrier of the antibodies necessary to defeat the disease.
Glorious, Jeff! So what’s all this I keep hearing from you and Glenn et al. about how the school should have canned Churchill when the tenure decision was being made instead of now? If what we’re after is a vibrant marketplace of ideas to which even Jew-hating turds like WC have access, seems to me the last thing you’d want to do is cut him off at the pass by denying him a position in the first place.
UC should have challenged Churchill on his scholarly output and the rigor of his research. That is not the same as challenging him on the conclusions he claims to have drawn from his research.
Were I to “cut him off at the pass” it would be because he’s a shitty scholar, NOT because of arguments he makes. One can imagine (and I believe we’ve seen) many examples of rigorous scholarship ushered in defense of the same (wrong, in my opinion) theory of blowback.
Everyone keeps talking about blowback. Is that the same thing as blow by, the process wherein compressed fuel and air leak past the piston rings and into the crankcase; causing grease buildup on the internals? If so, you can always count on your PCV system to counter this blow-by by routing it back into the intake manifold so that it is burned by the engine as opposed to building up on the inside. Just so you know.
Its been said elsewhere, but I’m not keen on making this idiot into the martyr that the press would cherish and interview endlessly. What he said, in almost any context, doesn’t matter if we all support free speech. If CU’s professorial screening policies are inadequate, vote with your pocketbook – don’t send your kids there. Send a message to the University system that you’re more interested in education than indoctrination.
But don’t pull Ward down because of his words, or we jump right into that old trap of: “First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew…”
Were I to “cut him off at the pass†it would be because he’s a shitty scholar, NOT because of arguments he makes.
He’s not just a shitty scholar, he’s a shitty professor/teacher. There’s a reason to deny him tenure. It’s also a good reason not to let your kids take his classes. Horowitz has exactly the right approach to reforming the whole academic process. It can’t be done by silencing lunatics like WC.
Some kids can avoid drinking the Kool Aid, as Jeff did and I did, but some can’t.
Damn. There was Kool Aid and apparently Jeff is offering up corpuscular libations. Were there other snacks? I never get invited to the parties.
Craig. What do you mean you give? No give. Fight The Man, Craig. Fight The Man. I am chanelling the energy of angry dolphins into your fighting spirit. Ohm. Receive the energy. (Bill and RSW avert your auras.)
turing word “love”. I’m all about love. Nothing but love.
Churchill is not a shitty scholar nor a plagiarist nor a fraud by the standards of ethnic studies.
Its ethnic studies that is a fraud and Churchill is the perfect clown to represent that.
I’m not going to be broken hearted to see Churchill fired, and heck I’ve even written a bunch of letters advocating that ( until I ran out of fake pseudonyms … ). I’m not as hot as Jeff to put this controversy on the holy alter of “academic freedom”.
But when Churchill is fired, people, the ethnic studies frauds will go on teaching the same outright lies, the same violent revolutionary rhetoric and the same brazen frauds.
Apes and peacocks.
All right, I give.
Jeff,
I understand your viewpoint that CU shouldn’t fire him for writing dumb things or having dumb viewpoints.
But, is CU under any obligation to provide him a venue for those viewpoints? Should the board of regents (or the trustees or whoever) be able to say, “You have the right to say whatever you want, however you want, to whomever you want. You just can’t do so here.”?
I don’t know much about tenure, but does that play in here at all?
Saith the Lord, “Thou shalt take the false Indian as thine enemy and drive him from the temple, lest his plague infect thine sons. But if thou shalt fail and his tenure be granted, thou shalt immediately turn on a dime and come to his defense, clothing thine arguments in the robes of free speech and open discourse, that thine own job security not be threatened.”
AFS, it should. I wouldn’t permit him any speaking engagements on campus. But it seems other colleges are willing to do so.
I would post a warning to prospective students in his course descriptions: “Warning. Professor Churchill’s classes and lectures will likely be focused on his anti-American hatred and support for radical extremists and murderers. Class discussion may be dangerous for those who are not like minded.”
Hey Jeff, how the hell do I trackback to PW? It never works.
Steve —
For some people, trackbacks never seem to work. What software are you using to publish (version / build) and what URL did you try to trackback to (I’ll send the info on to tech support).
Allah—
Did you go to college? I did. And somehow I managed (miraculously! for I am of the chosen people!) to avoid being infected by the plague that is speech like Churchill’s. My secret? I innoculated myself with thought! And ye! Today I am a carrier of the antibodies necessary to defeat the disease.
DRINK OF MY BLOOD AND BE SAVED!
Although I agree with the sentiments, and the conclusion, I was rather disappointed with the Goldblatt piece. Your current readers might benefit from a repeat of a couple of your golden oldies from 2 1/2 years ago, here and here. I know I learned a lot.
Horowitz, OTOH, is spot on.
Just to lower the tone of the debate a little, is there any chance of CU firing him for being a fake Indian? What happens when a professor is found to have faked credentials?
Incidentally, in Churchill’s speech last night, he again made it clear that his argument was nothing more than the standard blowback argument—even going so far as to spell it out explicitly (see video).
He’s wrong. He’s a blowhard. He’s a Marxist revolutionary. And he’s irrelevant as a thinker in my opinion. But he’s making an academic argument. And for that, he shouldn’t be fired. Seems to me there are other reasons to dismiss him that won’t open the door to populist policing of what can and can’t be argued in the academy.
Glorious, Jeff! So what’s all this I keep hearing from you and Glenn et al. about how the school should have canned Churchill when the tenure decision was being made instead of now? If what we’re after is a vibrant marketplace of ideas to which even Jew-hating turds like WC have access, seems to me the last thing you’d want to do is cut him off at the pass by denying him a position in the first place.
UC should have challenged Churchill on his scholarly output and the rigor of his research. That is not the same as challenging him on the conclusions he claims to have drawn from his research.
Were I to “cut him off at the pass” it would be because he’s a shitty scholar, NOT because of arguments he makes. One can imagine (and I believe we’ve seen) many examples of rigorous scholarship ushered in defense of the same (wrong, in my opinion) theory of blowback.
Everyone keeps talking about blowback. Is that the same thing as blow by, the process wherein compressed fuel and air leak past the piston rings and into the crankcase; causing grease buildup on the internals? If so, you can always count on your PCV system to counter this blow-by by routing it back into the intake manifold so that it is burned by the engine as opposed to building up on the inside. Just so you know.
Its been said elsewhere, but I’m not keen on making this idiot into the martyr that the press would cherish and interview endlessly. What he said, in almost any context, doesn’t matter if we all support free speech. If CU’s professorial screening policies are inadequate, vote with your pocketbook – don’t send your kids there. Send a message to the University system that you’re more interested in education than indoctrination.
But don’t pull Ward down because of his words, or we jump right into that old trap of: “First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew…”
He’s not just a shitty scholar, he’s a shitty professor/teacher. There’s a reason to deny him tenure. It’s also a good reason not to let your kids take his classes. Horowitz has exactly the right approach to reforming the whole academic process. It can’t be done by silencing lunatics like WC.
Some kids can avoid drinking the Kool Aid, as Jeff did and I did, but some can’t.
Damn. There was Kool Aid and apparently Jeff is offering up corpuscular libations. Were there other snacks? I never get invited to the parties.
Craig. What do you mean you give? No give. Fight The Man, Craig. Fight The Man. I am chanelling the energy of angry dolphins into your fighting spirit. Ohm. Receive the energy. (Bill and RSW avert your auras.)
turing word “love”. I’m all about love. Nothing but love.
Ah, let me glory in it…mmmmmmm..hey, wait a minute…that’s not your nose! Splash, splash, splash. HEY!!
Elevating the debate…
Lonestar: Just what we need, a Drewish Princess.
Barf: Funny, she doesn’t look Drewish.
Craig was just molested by a hot, angry, 27-year-old a dolphin. He’s unclean until evening.
Churchill is not a shitty scholar nor a plagiarist nor a fraud by the standards of ethnic studies.
Its ethnic studies that is a fraud and Churchill is the perfect clown to represent that.
I’m not going to be broken hearted to see Churchill fired, and heck I’ve even written a bunch of letters advocating that ( until I ran out of fake pseudonyms … ). I’m not as hot as Jeff to put this controversy on the holy alter of “academic freedom”.
But when Churchill is fired, people, the ethnic studies frauds will go on teaching the same outright lies, the same violent revolutionary rhetoric and the same brazen frauds.
Churchill is the poster boy for thug studies.