Keep this defense in mind if Mr Bennett, the story-shopping lawyer of one of the women who filed a complaint against Cain, manages to convince the NRA board that he should be allowed to release a statement on her behalf. What he wants to do, reportedly, is “give her side of the story” — while keeping her anonymous, and not allowing for any follow-up questions.
We learned today from the LAT that, as many of us had been speculating — and I as spent last evening explaining to one painfully obtuse Perry supporter — Cain was not a party to the agreement and would not have ever known of any of the charges leveled against him once he recused himself.
To this day, Cain has not been made privy to what he’s alleged to have done, which is why it’s been very difficult for him to try to answer questions. His interview on Greta, therefore, was his answering what he could as honestly as he could based on what he knew.
Also, we’ve learned that severance packages are not the same as settlements, are quite common, and that Cain was correct in his initial claim that he didn’t know of any settlements for sexual harassment claims.
It may still come out that Cain was accused of doing something remarkably untoward. And perhaps he did — though the testimony of those who’ve known and work with him has been near uniformly supportive, and has the added advantage of coming with names attached. But as of now, we CONTINUE to have nothing but unnamed sources, anonymous witnesses, ludicrous talk show hosts, and not a speck of any kind of evidence. And that’s because — though none of the Politico reporters ever bothered to answer a single one of my questions — it is now revealed that the reporters never spoke to the women, never saw any documents, and knew only that, because the paperwork was sealed, Herman Cain would not be able to defend himself.
It was a hit job. And that’s what the entire “right wing” should have been saying all along. Instead, they once again allowed the leftwing media to set the narrative then stand back and watch self-important, self-righteous “sane” center-righters do the work for them of tearing down Cain and placing a stink over his campaign.
It’s been surreal and sad to watch. But then, this explains why we’ve gotten McCain, Bush, Dole, and Bush the elder as our nominees.
That Mitt Romney sure has nice hair, doesn’t he?
Memo to the GOP: If Mitt Romney is the nominee, I’m writing Herman Cain in. Not because I’m that much of a diehard Cainianc, but because fuck you.
poor Mr. Bennett he’s turning this already hyper-sexualized hoochie into an attention-craving slut that makes the Honorable Miss Lady Gaga look demure
I hope Cain fights. I hope he can get a campaign team to competently back him, but mostly I hope he fights back.
And if Cain does go down, I hope Tea Party delegates hold back and remain non committed until the convention–and maybe the party can pick someone there.
Romney winning is stomach churning, but Romney winning by default is utter bullshit.
hey you guys google this real quick:
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that made my day
it has sumpin to do with Star Fox
Jeff, as one who has listened to Cain since his initial announcement, has seen the GOP establishment’s reluctance to lend him even the slightest amount of support, and has maintained throughout that he is our only legitimately conservative option, I commend you for being one of the few voices of reason through the past few days’ events.
The only difference between the parties in the 21st century is the speed at which we’re heading off the cliff. I truly appreciate you maintaining a forum, however small it may seem to you, in which I can be encouraged that I’m not the only one who notices that fact.
That’s all. Just a word or two of thanks and encouragement. Please keep up the excellent work! Outlaws are hard to find nowadays.
I have mixed feelings about the Dan Riehl thing Mr. Professor Jacobson links.
One of the things about Mr. Cain what makes it difficult to get all too enthusiastic about him is his dippy comment that he couldn’t support Perry if he were the nominee. At the very least I guess it never occurred to him in his head that he might need those Perry supporters were he ever to be the nominee. And that’s not strategical thinking.
Cain’s eagerness to finger Perry as opposed to Wall Street Romney should be pointed out and at some point someone should ask Cain what his fucking problem with Perry is.
But I don’t get what Mr. Cain’s irrational Perry-hate has to do with these couple three whiny bimbos.
This.
That Jim Huntsman is an attractive guy, isn’t he?
Did you know he speaks Mandarin? That could help us with the Chinese.
Oddly enough, I suspected when this issue first arose that Karl Rove was behind it; lo and behold, this Chris Wilson is “closely associated” with Rove….
It could also be that Mr. Cain has an irrational Romney-fetish, Mr. McGehee. He endorsed Romney in 2008, and there’s every reason to expect he might do the same in 2012.
Dan’s not the most objective guy out there Happy.
He is a Perry guy–it was not Herman Cain’s fault Perry imploded and then decided to chicken out of future debates.
“Mr. Cain’s irrational Perry-hate”
perry bloggers suck obama penis
My fervent dream is that once 2012 is over and the newbies arrive and take over congress, they show anyone from the old guard the door. “Experienced political consultants” first. Why anyone would hire a low rent whore into his campaign is beyond me. I’ll take enthusiasm and outside the box thinking TYVM. My dream, their nightmare.
I think Perry is toast Mr. Joe, but I guess you just can’t know what might happen if that debate stage were to suddenly become less crowded and less circus-freaky.
“. He endorsed Romney in 2008, ”
oh my megans is offended
Seconded.
If Mitt Romney is the nominee I’m voting to turn Team R into the faggy faggy Wall Street Romney party.
You can’t stop me.
“My fervent dream is that once 2012 is over and the newbies arrive and take over congress,”
dream on. this is the fight of our lives. 1789 or bust.
I might vote with you on that Happy. God, I need a drink.
Lots of folks were on the Romney Wagon in 08… familiarity breeds contempt and many have jumped ship. When the ‘choice’ is presented as Romney or McCain…
I was a Fred head and the media did their jobs by burying the lede on him by crafting the ‘lazy meme.’ Lots of conservatives bought it. And still believe it.
Suckas.
BTW, Fred and Herman are good friends.
Fred couldn’t have stabbed me in my heart any more woundingly than if he had walked up to me and stabbed me in my heart. You know… like with a knife or something.
He’s dead to me now.
Too bad you took the blue pill on that one, HF. Fred was campaigning mightily and just couldn’t get the coverage. The meme was born and it was all poop after that.
I was on the Fred train back then as well.
The same “conservatives” that are attacking Cain now were attacking Fred then. Gotta keep the riff-raff out, you know.
Look who is echoing Cain.
Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/politics/110311-sarah-palin-weighs-in-on-occupy-protesters#ixzz1chemNEf6
Palin’s a witch! Burn her!
She turned me into a newt!
Stephanie I gave Mr. Fred my monies and the very next day he dropped out and endorsed that douchehole.
Some days there just aren’t enough cupcakes.
Simon & Garfunkel – America
Thanks, JamieC71!
The sad fact of ’08 was the Mitt Romney was the most conservative candidate (i.e. least objectionable) after Fred went down. Fred getting shot down, by the way is another example of that “secret patriotism” Kaus-blather that newrouter linked in the other thread. The story going around media circles (started with a Fox reporter, Cameron I think, but I don’t remember) is that Fred supposedly said he was running with the intent of making a strong enough showing to get the Veep slot. Once that tale made it’s way around the journo-
listcocktail circuit, nobody treated his campaign seriously.douchehole didn’t even pick Fred as his veep he picked someone else
I told Dan R on Twitter today that I was really disappointed in him. He was piling — and it’s simply because he’s a Perry guy.
I guess I just thought Dan was more into the cause than into a particular candidate — and those of us concerned about conservatism should know that Politico is the problem this latest scandal redounds to, not Cain.
But so it goes.
I don’t understand this idea that Perry commands some number of loyal supporters, no matter how much evidence there is for it. They must be impervious to embarrassment.
Bless his heart but he’s a putz.
President Ronald Reagan Liberty State Park Pt 1
It’s a good thing she decided not to run. Can you imagine how embarrassed the smart, pragmatic, reality-based opiners on the right would be if they had to identify with that message? Silly snowbilly shoulda stayed on the PTA.
Exactly, Ernst.
Hell, Mark Levin and Limbaugh both wound up endorsing Romney, if only because McCain was even worse. Conservatives didn’t have a lot on offer to them in 2008.
I guess I just thought Dan was more into the cause than into a particular candidate
It’s hard not to get caught up in the personalities sometimes.
Probably one of the few things the pikachu and I will ever agree on.
Hell, I can go one better, I voted for him in the nation’s last primary, three months after it ceased mattering.
It seems like people fall into a confusion of love for the ideas underlying the nation on the one hand with attachment to a candidate on the other. And it isn’t confined to stalwarts for Perry, though currently they’re exhibiting the most frequent signs, but shows up here and there in all the various camps so far as I can tell. People attach to people more easily than to ideas, even though their attachments may begin by investing their beloveds as representatives of ideas.
I would still walk on fire for Mr. Daniels Mr. Ernst.
ok not really but still I think he let our whole little country down
I’m betting Mrs. Daniels has been bruising Mr Daniels ribs lately hf, watching Mr Cain’s ordeal.
I really liked Perry’s potential as governor of a state Mr. Obama has dropped trou and anally raped dozens of times over the past few years. But he’s never really made that part of his narrative. But that’s mostly cause of he doesn’t make the sentences very good.
that’s a good point Mr. sdferr
I still hate her though
I think he was too eager to make nicey-nice with the establishment, and so would have ended up being part of the problem rather than part of the solution. I’ll happily grant you that he wouldn’t have been as big of a problem as a President Romney, however.
Yeah, I get that. It’s too bad Mr Daniels didn’t feel the same way.
But he’s another one. He loves Sen Lugar like he loves his own father, on account of Lugar giving him his start and mentoring him along the way. It’s emotional like that, and Daniels couldn’t detach from Lugar if someone put a gun to his head.
Ronald Reagan – Liberty State Park [Pt. 2]
I think you’re wrong about that “being part of the problem rather than part of the solution” Ernst. I suspect Daniels would move the ball farther without people realizing how far it had moved until long after he had done.
Mr. George there-is-no-establishment Will lurvs him the taste of some Lugar in the back of his throat
But me I think Lugar’s petty office-clinging was bound to prove such a disservice to Mr. Daniels that it can only mean that Mr. Lugar’s esteem for Mr. Daniels is a good measure less than Mr. Daniels’ esteem for his geriatric piece of shit time-server mentor
Me too hf. Lugar is to me a fairly low caliber politician, not to say he’s never done any good at all.
We’ll never know, will we sdferr?
Nope.
Happy, John McCain is not your father…is he?
it would be better for America if he were
“I suspect Daniels would move the ball farther without people realizing how far it had moved until long after he had done.”
eff baracky sh&t. you rino peeps like under handed politico stuff. eff your “thinking”.
that lacks a certain poetry Mr. newrouter
Jesus newrouter
mitch daniels is an idiot you lying scumbags. that and mitchy suxs pawlenty dick.
It’s cool. newrouter’s approval is a token to cherish.
hey i hear mitch daniels eff the waitress at hooters in 1994 or ’95 in a hotel room somewhere!!11!!
yes mitch daniels, who has the balls of a loser. yea he is right there saying to his wife ” see these folks would mean to me” and said wife “,right after speaking to babs bush would agree”. go away you karl the rover losers.
i hate the rethuglican party. don’t try to sell: rove, bush,ridge, daniels, scooter(i don’t buy idiots who can’t protect their flank) or the other clowns. eff you party peeps.
I’ll go out on a very thin limb here, only because there seems to be a correlation. Goldwater swept the south in ’64. The south was solidly democrat in ’64. Nixon felt he could get in on this action in ’68. After the Nixon landslide of ’72 there was a wholesale switching of party affiliation from democrat to Republican in the south. Nixon’s southern strategy seemed to be working. It didn’t get as far north as Robert Byrd, but it seemed that the southern democrats who had steadfastly opposed the civil rights act were now republican.
I’m not saying that racism was the only issue that led southern democrats to switch allegiance to the hated rebublicans, because there were many other social issues at the time that divided the parties, like abortion, divorce law, and welfare.
But it would surprise me here if there is not just a little bit of that “old time religion” left in the New Establishment Republican Religion.
And again. It’s funny how much better Perry seems to do when the MSM isn’t running the show and limiting him to 30 second soundbites.
Christ, debunking the “southern strategy” gets tedious.
Here bergerbilder, educate yourself.
Shorter version: Segregation was the only reason the South had to vote Democrat. Once that became a dead issue the South naturally fell into the Republican orbit (rural, populist, traditional, religious). To compensate, the Democrats stopped pandering to one group of racists, and started pandering to another.
And who were the real racists, by the way, the handful of Democrats who switched to the Republican party, or the Democrats who destroyed the black family via LBJ’s “Great Society”?
– George Wallace was not available for comment.
Story at Breitbart but it’s an AFP piece which is written in breathless abandon.
So she wants to have a free anonymous hit. Nice.
Cain is going to be destroyed just like Palin was. Our media is too powerful and the American people are too easily influenced.
I am not voting, I don’t care if Obama gets another term, it won’t make any difference. And I am getting a handgun (not a glock because those are too heavy, but something)
If he endorses Romney then I’ll write in Chuck fucking Norris and you can mind your own fucking business.
Bergerbilder, Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” only turned the South Republican in presidential elections. It took a generation for some states to go GOP locally. Georgia was practically still one-party Democrat when I moved here.
Just asking… should the National Restaurant Association get their money back? Seeing as the women obviously didn’t abide by their agreement?
The media cannot vote. You too can influence people. Or, you can roll over and watch our little country die at the media’s hands.
You can do both and if it doesn’t make any difference, you haven’t lost anything. And remember: Primaries matter. Also hollow points. Hydra-Shok is a nice way to go.
[…] Jeff Goldstein: It may still come out that Cain was accused of doing something remarkably untoward. And perhaps he did — though the testimony of those who’ve known and work with him has been near uniformly supportive, and has the added advantage of coming with names attached. But as of now, we CONTINUE to have nothing but unnamed sources, anonymous witnesses, ludicrous talk show hosts, and not a speck of any kind of evidence. And that’s because — though none of the Politico reporters ever bothered to answer a single one of my questions — it is now revealed that the reporters never spoke to the women, never saw any documents, and knew only that, because the paperwork was sealed, Herman Cain would not be able to defend himself. […]
The media cannot vote. You too can influence people. Or, you can roll over and watch our little country die at the media’s hands.
this
High Tech Lynching.
The media cannot vote. You too can influence people. Or, you can roll over and watch our little country die at the media’s hands.
I don’t think so. I have no influence. Recently I sat in the airport in Atlanta waiting for my flight (to SC), and had to listen to two hipsters call the South redneck and insult all the southerners sitting at the gate. I wrote about it on my blog, and someone stopped by to tell me that I’m a loser because I’m a single mom, and the East and West coasts are the only thing keeping this country alive. (Interesting that single moms are only worthy of respect when they are left wing stupids)
Anyway. I am not voting for Romney so we can have “managed decline”. Whatever.
I got the line, if you got the pole, honey.
I got the line, if you got the pole, babe.
I got the line, if you got the pole,
We’ll all hang separately, etc., etc., etc.
Honey, baby mine.
I can’t tell if newrouter has gone all schizoid, or whether he’s instead engaged in some jest the point of which I am not getting.
So: withholding
LSD and jalapeno enemajudgement, for the nonce.MissFixit, you have no influence if you surrender in the face of rebuttal. You may never convince that asshole that you’re talking to, but there are other people watching and listening that you may never hear a word from. Just win the argument. The hipsters, for example: “Are you two aware that you’re bigots?”
It might be that no one else will join you, but if you’re watching the crowd at the gate, I guarandamntee you that you’ll see more than a few smiles of agreement.
We either wake up and join the fight or we lie back and let them shovel dirt over us. If I’m going down, I’m going down swinging and I can’t imagine having it any other way. YMMV.
Pablo is right: we will not prevail if we allow the ignorant to remain ignorant. I’ve repeated ad nauseum that the Left depends on ignorance for its victory. If people are confronted with the obvious effects of the programs that they insist are good because they’ve been told as much by people who mean well, they may start to get a clue about how badly they’ve been lied to, and for how long.
Their shallow assumptions need to be challenged. Their cartoon stereotypes about us have to be refuted. I’ve been getting in trouble with the missus over the past year or so, because I no longer let the ignorant slights against “Teabaggers” go unchallenged at our local pub. She hates the confrontation, but I’m past the point of letting it slide any further.
Truth be told, the regulars who respected me before, still do, even if we disagree. The regulars who never liked me understand better why they don’t, and the poor owners who have to put up with all of this have raised the frequency of free pints headed my way (I can’t imagine what it’s like to be a publican whose clientele is mostly unrepentant socialists). I’d like to think that at least a few people are re-thinking their assumptions. At the very least, they’re a lot more careful about spouting off nowadays.
“I’ve been getting in trouble with the missus over the past year or so, because I no longer let the ignorant slights against “Teabaggers” go unchallenged”
Heh, Mrs. Bascom has taken to telling me, while we talk in private, “see, that’s the kinda thing you can’t say in public”.
Actually, I want to think she’s helping refine my argument, but I keep my eye on her in case I’m being repressed…