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Perry picked the wrong rock this time.
Has the pie started flying yet? I love pie.
shameless little whore this Joel Bennett
Levin has been ripping assholes clean out of these lame lawyers and the Politico staff as well. Love it when he gets on a roll.
#OccupyPolitico
ot jeff
“that twitter thing” gives a 404 error when click on “view more tweets”
– feets, why would you cast such an insult at the world’s oldest profession?
– A third person (from Gold diggers of America) has surfaced to accuse Cain.
– I’m thinking Duke reduex. These money grubbers never learn.
“Now I ain’t saying she’s a gold digger / But she ain’t playin’ with no broke… person of color.”
By the by, does anybody mind if Israel decides to nuke Iran’s nuclear weapons development programs? I’m all like, sic ’em, Bibi, if that’s what you gotta do. But then, I like pie too.
it’s been how many hours since this broke and still there’s no for reals allegations just politico faggotry and this sad little Bennett doggy getting his leash yanked
nuking Iran gets you not one but TWO tasty no sugar added klondike bars
72 hours @ 8 pm est
“Now I ain’t saying she’s a gold digger / But she ain’t playin’ with no broke… person of color.”
Probably the first use of Kanye West lyrics at pw, JB. That should earn you a special badge.
Any translation of that code newrouter?
#11 for #9, sdferr.
that’s how many hours since story broke i think
Ah, thanks. My confusion is a result of tv programs being named things like “72 hours”, so I wasn’t sure what the antecedent was.
@11 for @9
– They’ve arrested 60 members of a large Mexican drug cartel operating out of Phoenix. Among the items discovered in their homes – AK-47’s and hi power assault rifles with serial numbers traceable back to fast and furious. So you have the O’fuck administration suing Arizona for enforcing Federal immigration laws, and the DoJ supplying guns to the cartel that imports drugs to school kids in the states.
– Could it get much worse?
You’d think that this was the only thing happening in America today, based on the coverage. The “Herman Cain is an angry black man” stuff is particularly notable. Did you see how viciously he said “Excuse me.”? I’m getting the vapors just thinking about it.
Oh noes. Apologies. Why does it always gotta be apologies?
But he’s a race-carder Pablo! How dare he let his skin pass through his mind?
He’s like Mandingo.
front runner2nd tier candidate respondsLink
I’ve checked HuffPutz every day since the F&F thing broke and I’ve yet to see a single mention.
– Cain has named the guy he thinks started the whole mess, but the guy denied having anything to do with it. Aside from the veracity of this I’d wonder if this is a way for Cain’s camp to smoke out the perps.
drudge has “friendly fire?/hand of rahm?”
Not only did Anderson deny having anything to do with the Politico story, he’s saying, contra Cain, that he never heard about the alleged harrassment prior to reading about it in Politico, which is itself feerry interresstink.
– If I had to guess I would say this is an honest confusion on Cain’s part. He well may have been vetted by someone and had that exact conversation, but he tried to recall the “who” and had to guess from among several possibles, and is simply mistaken.
– All that aside, his campaign needs to get on top of this by not making impulsive mistakes more than anything else, because the press will grab at the slightest straw.
I think this was a bad move for Cain. However, it’s the kind of move one would expect from a political novice.
I hope he makes this into a learning experience, and learns a better way to address these kinds of attacks, because if he stays in the race, it will only get worse.
Yeah, I noticed that, too.
My (stripping of) emphasis. Unintentional.
“it’s the kind of move one would expect from a political novice.”
what does the “pro” do?
If I had to guess, I’d say that Curt Anderson of OnMessage Inc. just pulled a Bart Simpson.
If Cain could get Gloria Allred on his side for this, she’d out-whore all of the other whores, leaving the likes of Bob Seiffert whore-tied. I think that’s how this Colombia J-school stuff works anyway. Once whored, you must up the whore-ante, and Gloria is like the Phil Ivey of the whore-trumpers. Unless Gerry Spence is available.
Just means your akshent isn’t as dick as mein, bh.
For all of y’all who follow me on Twitter (@dicentra63), I just tried to put some knowledge to the Tribbles but apparently failed.
*sigh*
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/cains-noxious-racial-politics/2011/11/01/gIQAbIQ8dM_blog.html According to Jen Rubin, it is all Herman Cain’s fault.
According to Jen Rubin, it is all Herman Cain’s fault.
There Steph. You’re wrong. You can’t out-whore a slut.
On the plus side, I was finally able to figure out #hhrs through that context, Di.
I was meaning to thank you for that.
Rubin was a McCain supporter in 2008 and is a Romney supporter now. Like all the GOP establishment, she wants the least conservative candidate and a maintenance of the status quo.
And she isn’t alone. How many people who you’ve read for the last 3 years or so are talking electability and experience and polish, etc. — after having pretended to be Tea Party-types when that was a big seller?
We conservatives always lose because we either listen to liberals or work to please them. And it’s getting worse, now that a whole new generation of new media types vie for actual jobs inside DC politics and its attendant industries.
I agree that the story is that Politico is composed of political hacks, and the fact that all one needs to do is “bring up the question” for the sharks to start circling is another mark against the MBM.
If only Tim Pawlenty were still in the race. He’d save us for sure!
From a commeter at Human Events:
He “confided.” We must punish his impure thoughts.
Agreeing to do so shows us to be more moral men than he.
#37
Damn her eyes! Jen was carrying a slut in the hole all the time, and I was out-slutted, out-whored, and out-done. Damn but these rupub-slut zombies are trained very well in their ruling-class slut-whoriness.
But I – I am Lord of the Hyphen – watch me dance!
– I was going to ask about losing your hyphen a long time ago, but I might be slapped with sexual harassment.
You don’t have to be an executive to get caught up in this discrimination bs. My wife and I both have had charges against us for discrimination of one sort or the other in the workplace. In today’s world, if you don’t stand accused of some bs discrimination claim, you aren’t a manager, you’re just some employee’s friend. I could tell such stories! (except, after 15+ years, the cases still haven’t been dismissed. Ah, but it’s all billable time, isn’t it).
Sometimes, you have to give Ace credit:
What you don’t have to do is take him seriously.
#45
Well and truely played.
I don’t want to get Perry by default because Cain was forced out by a biased media and their helpers. I want a fair hearing in public, and finally a vote. If Perry wins, I can support him in the general election.
I know, I’m delusional.
They should have just titled this story, “hey, our bullshit really DOES work!”
I could support Perry in the general but boy-o ain’t no Bush I tell you that right now
he’s just better than Romney is all
i don’t agree with Mr. Jimmie’s conclusions but I like how he puts this part even if I think it’s overstated
That’s fucking retarded.
“I was willing to ignore Cain’s lack of political expertise because, when you get down to it, politics is nothing more than building and managing a personal brand.”
really? john edwards could not be reached for comment.
– I’m afraid you just don’t understand what REALLY constitutes “yellow journalism” Jeff. To wit:
“In Wednesday’s Yeas & Nays, we wrote an item speculating about whether House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi might have had some work done. An area plastic surgeon chimed in, saying that, in his opinion, it appeared as if that might be likely. We reached out to the Pelosi camp asking for comment, and while we didn’t hear back from them by deadline, press secretary Drew Hammill did respond Tuesday evening with some choice words — “You are a disgrace to journalism.” A bit sensitive perhaps? That doesn’t exactly sound like a denial either now, does it?”
– See, that’s how its done. You have to focus on the important issues, especially if it concerns the front runner for “dumbest former speaker of the house ever”.
“to his continued misstatements on abortion and foreign policy”
what’s the mitttens/rickyperry/bachmann et al views on these topics?
If Cain falters, I’d still have a problem supporting Perry if his campaign was behind the Politico smear job.
But, I’m still thinking that secondary case is pretty weak. (And, guess what?, it’ll always be a weak case.)
I’m just not super excited about the Cain campaign saying point blank that this is from a specific person from a specific campaign unless they know. Which they can’t. They simply can’t. Yeah, it sucks. But floating further conjecture isn’t cool. Which they should very well know from their own experience the last couple days.
Yeah, it is. It probably follows directly from his vulgar use of the term.
I like Jimmy. But Jesus, people. If you don’t understand the untenable position Cain was put in because you haven’t bothered talking it through with HR types or lawyers familiar with employment law, your pontificating just sounds dumb — and trust me, the people who worked this are drawing conclusions a lot different from yours. Like, for instance, that it’s so very easy to play the lot of you, because you care more than anything about appearing sensible.
Only, you let the wrong people define what that is.
To Jimmie’s credit, he has multiple reasons for dismissing Cain. And my own emotional failings lead me to take up for those I believe are being bullied and piled onto, often to the point where I underappreciate their weaknesses.
Still, I’ll be damned if I’m going to let a leftwing hit job take down another conservative without fighting back.
Beyond that, let me just say that I need to get offline. I’m really starting to snipe, and that never ends well for me — good though it feels at the moment I let ‘er fly.
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Dropped about 8 followers in the last five minutes on Twitter.
Probably had to do with this: “I’m pretty sure Cain did something nasty. Them black mens is very hypersexualized. And hung. But boy, can they sing! #itsnotasmearifitstrue”
It was in response to a gabrielmalor post that said, “It’s not a “smear” if it’s true.” Several people evidently didn’t get the reference.
Ironically, my view of Dubya in mid-1999 was about the same as my view of Perry right now: not any kind of preferred choice, but I could vote for him if I had to.
That was before I started keeping a never-gonna-vote-for list, but I don’t think Bush would have been on it if I’d been as pissed off then as I am now.
Liddy Dole, on the other hand…
Gabriel Malor is a smear. Somebody desperately needs to use more bleach washing their undershorts.
Too late. Just called gabriel malor a douche, in so many words.
“I like Jimmy.”
well he be crowing the same tune as: ace, jenrube, neocommentary, nko online and the other “conservatives”. the pansy stupid party.
I just meant that politics is about whether people allow slavery to enter Nebraska, or end the Missouri Compromise, or have slavery at all, or have a war over that, or tax the people in the equivalent of 25% of GDP and waste a fifth of that by pouring it down a rat-hole. Politics is about doing what’s best, either, as the man said “in preservation or change”, and about the fight over what the meaning of that best is. Branding, in that context, is poppycock.
Jen Rubin is either stupid or a liar. I do not think she is stupid.
Hannity had Stuart Varney and Juan Williams on yesterday and Sean played Williams a clip of voices on the left tearing the shit out of Herman Cain. When you hear them in an stream for about 30 second or so, it is shocking. Williams said it was disgraceful how the left does that to a black man who had the termerity to take a conservative opinion.
Yet Jen Rubin blames Herman Cain? Rubin is no conservative and is not even on our side.
I think I’ll go out in a blaze of glory. Next month would have marked 10 years. That’s a long time doing this only to find yourself increasingly voiceless. Fuck it. Lets shoot some fuckers down.
you’ll never make it with the cucumber set.
Perry might could grow on me I guess … I still think the optional flat tax thing is kinda loopy
Mr. Jeff people are stupid bless their hearts and you don;t want stupid people following you it’s not good for you it’s not good for them and it annoys the pig
oh goody the damn semicolons are back just in time for the time change
Mr. sdferr I’m inclined to think that “running for president is nothing more than building and managing a personal brand” is closer to what Mr. Jimmie was saying
Maybe so hf, or probably so, but goddamn it, look at what it got us.
Here’s what Mr Malor had to say, a post RT by Jen Rubin: “Everything about this story was in Cain’s power to control. And instead, he did everything you do when you are guilty.”
Think about that. Cain’s acting guilty because he doesn’t have a lot of experience defending his public reputation against charges of sexual misconduct made years ago by two unnamed women, the particulars of which complaints he may not even know (given how HR cases work), and without complete knowledge of settlement details that he likely never even saw.
In one case, Cain was alleged to have made non-overtly sexual gestures.
GUILTY!
Both Malor and Rubin are lawyers. And have found wide readerships.
We’re doomed.
yup that’s why I liked how he put it I think – cause in that light it’s scary true – especially in the land of “the two political parties are breaking down” … and also I think it’s interesting to look at Wall Street Romney through that lens
– If you put lipstick on a Progressive, you still have a skank.
if you tweeter while you peeter be a sweetie wipe the seatie
People are stupid, we mean, some large fraction of people are stupid but not everybody is stupid all the time though even the people who aren’t most of the time stupid (like Mr Bise, maybe) can be stupid some of the time too.
But, for the most part, people don’t have to be stupid. They can learn. And politics, I think, is one of those things people can learn about, so not to be so goddamn stupid about it all the goddamn time. It’s fixable.
“running for president is nothing more than building and managing a personal brand”
Link
– Bummblefuck never held a real job.
– ….and he still hasn’t.
All I’m going to say is what I said yesterday: When Rick Perry goes to Iowa and tells a former Iowa governor to his face in front of an audience “No, the federal government shouldn’t be paying your stupid ethanol subsidies, pay for them as a state if you think its’ such a good deal!” he’s got my vote.
I don’t give a rat’s ass who he or his campaign supposedly talk to.
I also find it interesting that we have a major ORomney donor in a position to know all the details of the cases as president of the National Restaurant Association and yet Cain goes after Perry…. the only guy he claims he wouldn’t take the Veep job from.
great hash tag #HermanCainAllegations
Occupied Wall Street without her consent.
Forgot to wash hands before returning to work.
“the only guy he claims he wouldn’t take the Veep job from.”
yea because mr. ricky perry goes from front runner to backstreet boy in 3 weeks. i wouldn’t take a taco from the bumbling clown. you perry clowns have a lot to answer for.
– I recall that the night of Reagans election people were so relieved they were moved to tears. Things at that time, as bad as they were, were not even close to the disaster we have on our hands right now.
– If we splinter our vote, if someone, Cain or whomever, doesn’t come forward, someone who can win broad support. we’ll face another 4 years of this and I just don’t see it all surviving without upheaval.
– The young simply do not understand the razor blade surprise waiting at the end of the pleasure island water slide.
“We’re doomed.”
The Mike Curb Congregation-Burning Bridges-Kelly’s Heros
Embarrassed and disgusted
On the plus side, I was finally able to figure out #hhrs through that context, Di.
I was meaning to thank you for that.
Well, I WAS hoping to accomplish One Good Thing today, but I certainly wasn’t counting on THAT.
I don’t know what to say…
What specifically was it that was in Cain’s power to control?
I’m not sold on 9-9-9, but it’s fairly obvious that Cain threatens rice bowls on both sides of the aisle. And we just can’t have that, can we?
oh my erick the idiot servicing ricky
The Rick Perry Statement on Herman Cain
you go metrosexual!
Just spent an hour in the most excruciating conversation ever. Let me just say this: those most aggressively going after Cain? Have no idea how any of this works, either legally or from a business or insurance standpoint.
But that won’t stop them from pretending they’re experts. He SETTLED. Therefore he’s GUILTY OF RAPE or some such!
– The talking heads can flap their lips endlessly, and they will. It all comes down to how well Cain can handle his attackers and survive. If he’s up to the task, he will survive, possibly even thrive.
I was following that Jeff. Totally clueless. I got more real info in the #HermanCainAllegations hashtag game than from her. Is she related to McJugs, by chance?
“He SETTLED. Therefore he’s GUILTY OF RAPE or some such!”
the ezra klein/andrew sullivan/matt egalus folks are giddy. mo baracky they say.
the hermanator took it to baracky on his ads on limbaugh. i can see rahm involved.
Speaking of twitter. Saw some info that Oakland Owsies went nuts at Whole Foods!?! and there is a death resulting. On the bright side, they are following Krugman’s rules for stimulus and job creation. Lots of broken windows.
“He SETTLED. Therefore he’s GUILTY OF RAPE or some such!”
– I’d ask them if they’d be as ready to admit a unbased rush to judgement if it turns out their really was no finding of guilt?
– Because as of now there is not a single instance of a proven allegation. None.
The Rick Perry Statement on Herman Cain:
GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!
Didn’t see anything about anyone dying.
She’s the head of the TeaParty org putting on BlogCon. And the dude is just a total fucking moron.
I’m serious. I’m done. I dislike many on the right as much as the left, maybe more so, because they pretend they are on our side until it’s time to throw somebody under the bus. At least w/ the left you know where you stand.
burn those bridges. it might be stimulus. #OccupyBigBridge
– Oakland is a classic case of the snake eating its tail. The fanatically Leftist Mayor is boxed in. The city is paying it’s workers to strike and stay away from their jobs, the only jobs they have. Is that fucked up or what?
– The Police chief said in a letter to the city council that if the protesters threaten property or public safety they will be arrested, regardless of what the mayor says.
– I’m waiting for the first involvement of the National guard somewhere in all this.
It’s all over the twitter. Lots of people bashing Boehlert and pinning the death on him. But I just saw another tweet that the ‘victim’ isn’t dead and was taken by ambulance… so who knows. Lots of tweets about lots of violence at both Oakland and Portland (?). I was mostly following the Jeff/Pink Elephant thing and wasn’t really following the links much.
Ain’t none of it gonna end well.
“She’s the head of the TeaParty org putting on BlogCon”
blogcon is like The Sting
“Lots of tweets about lots of violence at both Oakland”
ax sanfrannan about dat. do it jim jones.
She’s an idiot with a substandard education. It takes some time. They aren’t used to actual reasoning. It hurts their brains. Plus facts and shit that aren’t credentialed are suspect. Plus your lack of moral authority.
Snark n Boobs is the one I’m disappointed in. She normally doesn’t succumb.
Hopefully, this will all die out by the weekend. I don’t see Herman doing a W/D.
I’m going libertarian. I need the pot.
Plus, no Jen Rubin or any of these other phony “conservatives” acting as my “voice.”
If W/D stands for withdraw, I don’t see Cain dropping out either. Thus it won’t die out. He’s branded for the duration.
I see you and Gillespie getting along
infamously.What about that crazy tall chick who writes for the Atlantic these days? McArdle? Isn’t she a libertarian too?
Cain’s secretary has spoken out on the charges… she firmly denies the women had basis for claims.
New polls coming out and there is a Cain surge. Polling from after the Politico piece broke.
Plus there is a money bomb today for Cain. Herman says give til the line is up to here (puts hand just below chin).
Don’t despair.
It took me two weeks on Twitter to be despised by all the opinion-shapers on the right. Got to be a record.
2 #occupyoakland protesters injured after being struck by car at 11th & Broadway. Driver reportedly frustrated by protesters in the street.
Sources on the scene say non-life threatening.
Seeing the “First they came for the …..” play out in real time isn’t pretty, so saying so won’t get me charged with “inappropriateness”.
Progressive lesson for today, always drop slurs not complements, chicks dig being trashed and thrashed.
@#112,
When you’re good you’re very very good but when your badass you’re better.
Ha! I was active early now not so much. I generally go read my stream just to get a feel for what’s trending now – very little posting and an occasional retweet. Who has large enough time and little enough self esteem to do a #FF.
Most of em I see as energetic little buggers who have inflated senses of self (Smart Girl Radio – seriously?) and very little influence. Just Tut Tut em and smack em on the ass with an Atta Girl! They’ll cream they panties with delight. That includes several of the guys, too, btw.
always drop slurs not complements, chicks dig being trashed and thrashed.
I understand there are whole websites devoted to just that topic.
“Iowa Cain Accuser Appears To Have Anti-Cain Agenda”
He brings up a bunch of dumb shit like the China-Nukes thing that even Ace admits is not what Cain said/knew/knows.
Among these South Carolina voters, 75% were able to correctly identify Cain as the candidate who was accused of sexual harassment in the 1990s. Only nine percent (9%) mistakenly thought it was some other candidate, while 16% are not sure.
Just nine percent (9%) think it’s Very Likely that the charges against Cain are serious and true. Another 19% think it’s Somewhat Likely. Fifty-eight percent (58%) consider it unlikely, but that includes only 19% who say that it is Not at All Likely. This suggests that Republican voters are generally willing to give the candidate the benefit of the doubt while recognizing that more information might change their perception.
Fifty-one percent (51%) believe it’s at least somewhat likely that the allegations were leaked by one of the other Republican campaigns. Among those who support Cain, that figure rises to 61%.
The survey was conducted on Tuesday night following two days of media coverage concerning allegations of sexual harassment against Cain.
From Rasmussen.
Grrrr… missed this part on the C&P
The first Rasmussen Reports poll of South Carolina’s Likely Republican Primary Voters shows Cain with 33% support, Romney at 23% and Gingrich at 15%. Texas Governor Rick Perry earns nine percent (9%) of the likely primary vote, Texas Congressman Ron Paul five percent (5%) and Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann two percent (2%). Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum and former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman each pick up one percent (1%), as does “some other candidate.” Ten percent (10%) remain undecided.
If that Iowa Cain accuser is who I think he is, he has a hard on for the smoking man. Something about him playing dirty pool in a prior race or something. Seems he got his ox gored and is looking for payment.
– I rang that gong a little earlier steph.
– Its even more telling in light of the two days+ of mud slinging.
It took me two weeks on Twitter to be despised by all the opinion-shapers on the right.
Really? All of them? I find that hard to believe. Why, earlier today I was reading Jim Geraghty who thinks that the Right is too fragmented and spoiled by our just-in-time-delivery-on-demand-instant-gratification culture to coalesce around a single anti-Romney.* So surely there has to be some fragment of the Right you haven’t pissed off yet. (But don’t let me dissuade you from cock-slapping libertarians to your heart’s content –those bastards are asking for it.)
(*We’ll ignore the absurdity of a guy positing the instant-gratification seeking of others as the cause of the race failing to have already winnowed itself down to the expected front-runner and challenger two months before the first vote is cast.)
So he is willing to fuck the entire country with a second Obama term because someone gave him a wedgie years ago. Damn, and I thought I thought myself so important. I ain’t got nothing on this putz.
We’re talking about the guy who only employs ugly women so he won’t give in to his carnal impulse to work up a Number 6 on ’em, shaming himself in front of the missus and his fellow men, right?
Yep.
The guy who never goes anywhere without his wife two paces away.
It occurs to me, apropos of nothing, that if we were to keep women segregated, confined to their own living quarters, never allowed to be seen in public unless absolutely necessary —and then accompanied by a male relative, we wouldn’t have these unpleasantries. Maybe we could get them to wear portable tents too.
Four paces would be more respectful, wouldn’t it?
So Tabatha Hale thinks Cain guilty because there was a settlement? Really? Did she offer you a blog con scholarship like she did for Stacy McCain?
You may have a point about the libertarians. They like to drink and they have good dope. What’s not to like about that?
Deace was a Huckabee guy in ’08. And Cain isn’t reliably anti-abortion enough for his taste, it would seem.
Has anybody broached the possibilty that what’s going on here is the result of a generational gap; that what Herman Cain thinks of as a bit of old-fashioneed gallantry is recieved by a woman inculcated in a politically corrrect miliuex as, at best, awkward and/or inappropriate, and at worst, sexual harrassment?
Money matching mouth, what counts.
Stacy seems down with that.
Sure enough one thing or another is important. Is it saving the country from falling over a socialist cliff or discovering every tiny bit of minutia in a dozen year old bogus charge of sexual harassment mixed up with all manner of imaginative lawyering? Hard to figure.
Cain told Greta that he’d see a woman and if she’d changed her hair he might say, ” you’ve changed your hair, it’s very becoming.” He used “becoming.”
So yes, it’s a generational thing and a Southern thing. And PC made it something one could file a complaint over and get paid. Maybe not in this case, but I wouldn’t doubt it.
Still, he settled. So he’s guilty. (And trust me: don’t even TRY telling these people that it wasn’t “him” who settled, or that he’d very likely have never seen the settlement or even the complaint against him. They don’t want to hear how things ACTUALLY work when they can just pretend it works precisely as they think it must, if Cain is a dirty dirty pervo).
All I know is that you can’t square this:
written before the Ames strawpoll, with the decision to insert himself and his female staff into this story, and then do so in a half-assed manner.
Just caught a bit of dialogue from Real Genius — She: “Can you hammer a 6″ spike into a board with your penis?” He: “Not right now.” She: “A girl’s got to have her standards.” That’s 1985.
I’ve been talking about the southern gentleman thing on several blogs.
Posted at JOM:
Folks of Cain’s background (older southern) routinely attempt to find something nice to say to most folks they meet. It has to do with putting the other person at ease.
The funny thing is that sometimes it causes muted smiles as an older gentleman attempts to compliment an obviously butt-ugly woman (or a butt-ugly baby) and is obviously lying his ass off.
The general rule of thumb is a nicety about her kids first “your baby is such a beautiful little thing, she has your eyes,” youthfulness second – “this is your daughter, I thought you were her sister!!!,” and if both of those stretch the truth too far, comment on the shade of her clothing complimenting her skin.
I can totally imagine Cain trying his level best to find where the offense occurred in that.
BTW, the story of the inviting her up to his hotel ‘room’ is deceptive. According to my brother, who goes to a lot of restaurant conventions around the US and was frequently in and around the NRA groups, Cain always got a suite NOT A ROOM and that it was frequently used for hospitality purposes and the open bar was open and in use til about 1 or so in the mornings. So it wouldn’t be strange for him to invite her up to his suite. There would probably have been other people already there.
Misdirection seems to be driving this story.
Put just enough facts and slippery misuse of words (room not suite, inappropriate but not sexual) out there to let people’s imaginations run wild.
Which brought this reply:
You’ve reminded me of a trip my great aunt made to visit us down in South Carolina. She was short and portly, and stodgy New England through and through. She’d traveled all over the rest of the world and managed to remain utterly parochial in her attitudes, when she made her very first trip south. I was driving her home from a some sort of mint julep affair, when she turned to me and said, “You know, I thought these southern men would all be shameless flatterers, but they really mean it!” I almost strangled myself, trying to keep a straight face.
It really is cultural and totally brought into start relief thanks to the feminist movement. We GRITS don’t generally truck with the feminists for that very reason.
Damn I thought I snipped the whole exchange:
Me:
My grandfather positively glared at me once for the height my eyebrow reflexively went up when he was talking to an absolutely horrid looking old lady that was sitting in a chair painfully erect and in a corset with two bright pink circles of rouge from her rough pot applied to her cheeks…
oh wait, that was my great grandmother, his mother in law.
He never failed to complement her about something and I never failed to have to leave the room… or face his wrath.
Which solicited this response:
LOL2! I can just picture your great gran, Stephanie.
Oddly enough, I can offer up a perfect New England contrast to that Southern vision of loveliness, although NE has certainly relaxed its “standards” over the years since then. According to my grandmother, my father, as a child, once watched his own grandmother floating down the stairs, dressed for a party, and couldn’t help exclaiming, “You look beautiful!” to which she replied, “I didn’t ask you for your opinion.” Making such unsolicited “personal remarks” was totally outside the pale. The only time my father would ever comment on my own appearance was to tell me my slip was showing (how long ago was that!) or ask me to put a bobby pin in my hair so that he could see both of my eyes. We didn’t use certain tones of voice either.
Perfect contrast between the sensibilities of the north v the south. And another reason to demand Damn Yankees vacate the South forthwith!
“You’ve changed your hair. And you’re still ugly.”
Is that sexual harassment?
Hostile work environment:
“You look nice today.”
“Those pants don’t make you look fat. They make me look skinny. Can I stand next to you all day?”
“Did you eat roadkill again for breakfast? Here’s a Tic-Tac.”
“I have no sexual feelings toward you whatsoever. Aside from the fear of venereal disease, your underbite is quite off-putting.”
See? It’s a rocky, unnavigable river, this ‘workplace’.
“Would you like to come up to my suite? I have a shirt that needs ironing.”
….What?
WRT Ace, AFAIK, Malor has always been an unconservative establishmentarian.
Whole Paycheck reassesses its urbanist proclivities and begins dismantling its greenie sensibilities, realigns toward the slightly upscale Walmart shopper on the outskirts of each former urban market, promptly adds 6% to its 2012 chainwide revenues.
While employing normal people for the first time in its history.
Just quickly from a legal perspective, I’m tired of whatever off color comment he made being called sexual harassment. The news media and entertainment industry have turned the idea of “sexual harassment” into this thing where any off color comment made towards a woman, that she doesn’t appreciate, is sexual harassment. No, no, its not. Sexual harassment is a pattern and practice of words and actions, by a person in a position of power, even after the person has been asked, either by the individual or by the3 company, to stop the acts making the person uncomfortable. Calling a woman “honey”, coming on to a woman (whether you’re married or not), making a sexual remark or joke, none of those things are sexual harrassment because its a one time incident. Now, if it turns out Cain made numerous comments to the same woman over time and she reported him, then she was fired or banished from the campaign, THEN you’d have a potential sexual harassment claim. It doesn’t sound like that’s the case in this situation. And I’ve done plenty of litigation where the claim is baseless but its cheaper and less damaging to one’s reputation to pay a nuisance value settlement and get a confidentiality agreement.
In the twitterverse only people with something to hide take the cheap way out. The rest of us are expected to chance bankruptcy on account of teh fierce moral urgency of sacred honor! or some such.
“I’ve noticed the fine quality of your work, recently. Would you mind trying your hand at making me a sandwich?”
It is hard to use the “thesis, evidence, argument, conclusion” format in 140 characters.
“I’ve noticed the fine quality of your work, recently. Would you mind trying your hand at making me a sandwich?”
That’s hot.
Wait, wut?
I’m doing this wrong, I think.
From Treacher, “The Cain Scrutiny“
Located how if she wanted anonymity? It also seems that every story is out of the 3-4 year period he headed the National Restaurant Association. Could that be a clue as to where the original source was at the time? Seems a dearth of inquiring minds in the press, again see Libby Scooter.
Disheartening.
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/11/01/response-comments-herman-cain-post/
I think he’s not bereft of valid points, though.
Yea, I’m a regular reader of white house dossier. I don’t agree with him though in some of his conclusions. accusations and settlements do not equal guilt.
From serr8d’s link.
There are always two explanations for the behavior of those on the left when reality collides with it. They are either stupid or evil. They always choose to admit to, at most, stupid and then expect us to still believe in their competence.
All his arguments in this piece were deconstructed by people here, mainly our host, yesterday. Facts. What fucking facts. Assertions, and even those done in the vague manner designed to lead thoughts to a place that is where they wish them but have no facts to actually get there.
Haven’t others noticed over the years that they left makes deft use of the various agreements, conventions, rules, regulations, laws, of confidentiality and privilege to make attacks where defense cannot be done because of those secrecy agreements? They have done this for decades.
The Frankfurt School would be proud of what they have created. They provided the tools to destroy any enemy of the state. Of course, people had to first be taught to accept those tools, but since people are, for the most part, sheep, that was easy.
Go with your emotions. Embrace your inner child.
If Cain is destroyed by this, it will be the fault of people who prefer to be led around by their noses and their feelings instead of using reason. Progressives like using emotion to motivate people because it’s easy. Supposed Republican supporters use emotion because the left has provided a framework built on emotion to judge others and too many Republicans are too damn lazy to reject that framework. Those stalwarts will lead us to our own destruction, and will have the nerve to act surprised when we get there.
Screw them. Once the left convinced everyone that an accusation is as good as the crime, to the point that even “Republicans” will go along with that premise, it was over.
Cain has most likely done nothing wrong. There is no evidence that he did anything wrong. That no longer matters, because the modern left, which can be traced directly back to the Frankfurt School, owns the narrative, and very few seem to have a problem with that.
Since when have allegation and innuendo become synomyms for fact?
Shoulda finished reading geoff before I opined.
Right on brother, right on.
A reasonably short piece on The Frankfort School.
Look, more “facts”. All that’s missing is the facts. But, “sources report”, so let’s go to press!
Cranky-d, your citation of the Frankfurt School, and viewing a bit of the vids your recommendation has tossed up, reminds me of a comment I ran into at Ricochet a few days ago. An extreme gist of the Frankfurt argument is: “deny nature” and all is possible. So chasing into the link at the comment, so into the text of Strauss’ Symposium Lecture, we have:
From my link above in response to sdferr.
And apparently we shall see what is what in the near future.
Wasn’t Bill Ayers sticking it to the man by sticking it to Terry Robbins when he wasn’t sticking it to Bernardine Dohrn?
Ideologues. Whadar’ya gonna do?
The Des Moines Register has the inside scoop from “conservative radio host” Steve Deace:
During his Oct. 3 broadcast in Iowa, Deace mentioned that Cain made a comment to a woman who was there to report on the radio interview for another news agency.
“Cain said, ‘Darling, do you mind doctoring my tea for me?’” Deace said.
Deace told the Register last month that he believes Cain was talking about adding honey and lemon, but that it was an awkward moment.
Good Lord above, Miss Stephanie.
I almost missed my fainting couch, I was clutching my pearls so hard after I read that.
I have no doubt that a properly breathless, “Well! I never!!! ” was uttered by the poor put-upon victim of that man’s hideous behavior.
Cain mistook a reporterette for a secretary? Fucking Neanderthal!
Anal douche, perhaps. Too much shit in him for the other type.