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LATimes columnist sees problems with Social Security “tax cut” … [Darleen Click]

… but still gets it wrong

But the worst aspect of the payroll tax holiday is that it erodes Social Security’s standing as a unique government program with its own revenue stream, a tax dedicated to its upkeep alone. Melding its own revenue with that of the federal government at large chips away at its standing, facilitating no one’s goals except those who want to see the edifice pulled down.

The more the program has to rely on general income tax revenue, the shakier becomes its claim to being a special case among government expenditures. When program-slashers sharpen their axes in Washington, the line has always been drawn at Social Security because it’s funded by a source distinct from the income tax.

If it becomes just another line item in the federal budget, what’s to save it being swept up in an across-the-board orgy of spending reductions? Hey, we’re taking a few billion out of defense, a few billion out of highway construction, a few billion out of benefits for the elderly and disabled — that’s fair, isn’t it?

What makes Michael Hiltzik think reducing SocSec to a fed budget line item by the current Obama/Democrat demogoguery is a bug rather than a feature?

And it is not, contrary to what Hiltzik writes, in a column riddled with error and assertions, about being able to “cut” SocSec willy-nilly.

The Leftist push to ever Bigger Government, who knows better how to run your life than you, is looking to create yet another welfare-dependent group. This time it is vacuuming up all workers who, by one reason or another, are looking to receiving SocSec upon retirement. Obama and Democrats are baldly reversing decades of touting SocSec as a pension plan that individuals contribute 15% of their income (what your employer puts in is money that would have gone into your wages/salary) over a lifetime of working, into just another welfare program they can both tinker with and make people feel guilty about. Most conscientious individuals are not looking for a free lunch; they only want to receive what they earned. The quickest way to shut down any SocSec critics is for Leftists to shout “HYPOCRITE!” against critics who are (or who have family members) receiving SocSec.

Independent citizens are a threat to statists so compromising individual worth and demeaning individual success (no one is really responsible for their success alone! We Own You!) is paramount.

Did you really think we want those laws observed? said Dr. Ferris. We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against… We’re after power and we mean it… There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with. (‘Atlas Shrugged’ 1957)

32 Replies to “LATimes columnist sees problems with Social Security “tax cut” … [Darleen Click]”

  1. Blake says:

    Darleen, is there any chance you can delete my account so I can create a new one? I currently have two passwords, both of which allow me to post at PW under the same account. I suspect this is probably not a good thing.

    Anyway, that Rand quote is priceless. It never ceases to amaze me at how much Rand got right in “Atlas Shrugged.”

  2. EBL says:

    Ayn Rand was a prophet, but of course she experienced the Soviet revolution first hand as a child so she saw how things could fall apart. If Mark Steyn got me depressed yesterday, this is making me want to go out and pelt an occupy camp with rotten eggs and fish heads… Yes it is part of a plan…

  3. Darleen says:

    blake

    if I delete you as a user all your comments go bye-bye

  4. nazdar says:

    Darleen, OT, and apologies if this is already known, but I usually don’t have the chance to read here until some time after posts appear and some older non-Jeff posts (your 33566, 33582, 33641, 33663, 33684, 33714, 33716, 33718, and JHo’s 33586) have disappeared from the post chain. They’re visible from my RSS reader (Thunderbird), but get the ‘Oops’ page when I look at them now. Don’t know if this is tied into the site hack the other day, but thought you should know.

  5. Dana says:

    It’s simple: the Social Security payroll tax has a top income limit beyond which the worker is not taxed. As the revenue stream from that tax is diminished, and must be replaced by money from the general fund, it means that more of the income of the people who earn beyond the Social Security maximum goes into the fund. It is a back-door way of making the tax base for Social Security more “progressive.”

    Of course, it had already been made more “progressive” by using it to help finance the federal deficit. Money is lent to the general fund from excess Social Security revenues, but is paid back as Social Security receives scheduled interest payments and eventually redeems Treasury Bills, all from the general fund, and that means taxes on people above the maximum earnings threshold . . . along, of course, with money spent at WalMart, and then shipped to China, and then borrowed back again.

  6. Blake says:

    Darleen,

    All of my comments being deleted is somewhat of a mixed blessing, I do believe.

    I will just leave well enough alone, then.

    Thanks.

  7. Pablo says:

    Blake, go to the profile in one of your accounts and change the password to something you won’t even remember. :)

    (Click the “Site Admin” link at top right, then “profile”)

  8. Les Nessman says:

    “…orgy of spending reductions…”

    Only a lover of Big Government could describe gov’t spending cuts as an ‘orgy’.

  9. XBradTC says:

    Even more incredible, we’re not really discussing any cuts. When a Washington politician says “cuts” what he really means is, at best, “a slightly lower rate of increase than we had previously planned.”

    So, instead of boosting a line item by 10% this year, we’re gonna boost it by 5%, and yet, call that a 5% spending cut. Never mind we’re spending more money.

  10. JHoward says:

    If progressivism is mad, what would its 10 Commandments look like?

  11. McGehee says:

    Actually Brad, they’ll increase spending by 9% and call it a 10% cut because 9% is 90% of 10%.

  12. XBradTC says:

    You’re correct, McGehee.

    I failed to be cynical enough!

  13. RI Red says:

    Les, you nailed it. “An orgy of spending” is much more appropriate use of language than “an orgy of spending cuts”. Says it all about the liberal mind-set.

  14. newrouter says:

    orgy is the 1st thing a progg thinks, next birth control

  15. geoffb says:

    Orgy and birth control, orgy and birth control, can’t have one without the ot……….ther. Progressive revised lyrics.

  16. newrouter says:

    would it be : racist,homophobe, sexists, islamophobe et al to return the fed. gov’t to 1989 status? gorbachev wants to know?

  17. geoffb says:

    New PPP Michigan Republican primary poll pdf 265 pages, 250 of crosstabs.

    Q2 If the Republican candidates for President
    were Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney,
    and Rick Santorum, who would you vote for?
    Newt Gingrich …………………………………………. 10%
    Ron Paul ………………………………………………… 15%
    Mitt Romney……………………………………………. 33%
    Rick Santorum………………………………………… 37%
    Someone else/Not sure ……………………………. 6%

    If the Republican candidates for President
    were just Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, and Rick
    Santorum, who would you vote for?
    Ron Paul ………………………………………………… 16%
    Mitt Romney……………………………………………. 33%
    Rick Santorum………………………………………… 42%
    Not sure …………………………………………………. 8%

  18. newrouter says:

    my allan “fear” the sweater vest

  19. newrouter says:

    Wofford has a new TV ad out that criticizes Santorum for this.

    Santorum said repeatedly that the contract was just for U.S. House candidates and that he did not sign it. He said he didn’t know if he supported the document because he hadn’t read it.

    He did participate in a news conference with 13 GOP Senate candidates, during which they proposed seven legislative goals, not including a capital

    gains tax cut, which has been criticized as helping the rich.

    Santorum pointed out that one of those goals is a balanced budget amendment, which both he and Wofford support.

    “In a sense, you’re running an ad you could run against yourself,” Santorum said.

    In an effort to show that Santorum is too conservative and partisan to represent Pennsylvania in Washington, Wofford repeatedly used Sen. Arlen Specter as an example of a moderate Republican who has worked with the Democrats to get things done.

    In fact, he brought Specter up so many times, Santorum got fed up.

    “By the way, you’re throwing his name around a lot,” Santorum said. ”He’s supporting me.”

    link

  20. newrouter says:

    fear the sweater vest.

  21. newrouter says:

    helps to know where the bodies are.

  22. jdw says:

    Ron Paul used the ‘f’ word

    “We’ve slipped away from a true Republic,” Paul said. “Now we’re slipping into a fascist system where it’s a combination of government and big business and authoritarian rule and the suppression of the individual rights of each and every American citizen.”

    A shame he’s a nut re: foreign policy, because his observations are spotlight-on the D.C. Establishment.

  23. jdw says:

    Anybody else having trouble accessing the site with a mobile device? Seems my Opera browser running on my Android platform won’t work here using the ‘mobile’ setting; I have to switch to the ‘desktop’ mode, which isn’t all that great whilst in smartphone. The problem just cropped up Friday, after the site hack.

  24. geoffb says:

    The problem for anyone who has been targeted for destruction in that kind of situation is how to fight back, and there was a moment — in 2006, to be precise — when I instinctively realized that the best way to fight back was simply to be myself.

    Whereas I had been labeled an advocate of “hate,” in fact hate was contrary to my deepest beliefs. If I was forbidden by divine commandment to hate my enemies — indeed, I was enjoined to pray for my enemies — how could anyone possibly suspect that I hated entire races of people I’d never even met, and who had never done me any harm? Granting that such a misperception was possible, and that I bore some responsibility for that, it was still a gross mischaracterization of my intentions. No one who knows me well thinks of me that way.

    Who am I? A natural-born joker, a happy-go-lucky, devil-may-care free spirit, a bon vivant, a raconteur, the original back-slapping how-ya-doin’ Good Time Charlie.

  25. newrouter says:

    Through this “Golden Door,” under the gaze of that “Mother of Exiles,” have come millions of men and women, who first stepped foot on American soil right there, on Ellis Island, so close to the Statue of Liberty.

    These families came here to work. They came to build. Others came to America in different ways, from other lands, under different, often harrowing conditions, but this place symbolizes what they all managed to build, no matter where they came from or how they came or how much they suffered.

    They helped to build that magnificent city across the river. They spread across the land building other cities and towns and incredibly productive farms.

    They came to make America work. They didn’t ask what this country could do for them but what they could do to make this refuge the greatest home of freedom in history.

    They brought with them courage, ambition and the values of family, neighborhood, work, peace and freedom. They came from different lands but they shared the same values, the same dream.

    Today a President of the United States would have us believe that dream is over or at least in need of change.

    Jimmy Carter’s Administration tells us that the descendants of those who sacrificed to start again in this land of freedom may have to abandon the dream that drew their ancestors to a new life in a new land.

    The Carter record is a litany of despair, of broken promises, of sacred trusts abandoned and forgotten.

    Eight million out of work. Inflation running at 18 percent in the first quarter of 1980. Black unemployment at about 14 percent, higher than any single year since the government began keeping separate statistics. Four straight major deficits run up by Carter and his friends in Congress. The highest interest rates since the Civil War–reaching at times close to 20 percent–lately down to more than 11 percent but now going up again–productivity falling for six straight quarters among the most productive people in history.

    Through his inflation he has raised taxes on the American people by 30 percent–while their real income has risen only 20 percent. He promised he would not increase taxes for the low and middle-income people–the workers of America. Then he imposed on American families the largest single tax increase in history.

    His answer to all of this misery? He tries to tell us that we are “only” in a recession, not a depression, as if definitions—words–relieve our suffering.

    Let it show on the record that when the American people cried out for economic help, Jimmy Carter took refuge behind a dictionary. Well if it’s a definition he wants, I’ll give him one. A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours. Recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his.

    I have talked with unemployed workers all across this country. I have heard their views on what Jimmy Carter has done to them and their families.

    They aren’t interested in semantic quibbles. They are out of work and they know who put them out of work. And they know the difference between a recession and a depression.

    Let Mr. Carter go to their homes, look their children in the eye and argue with them that in is “only” a recession that put dad or mom out of work.

    Let him go to the unemployment lines and lecture those workers who have been betrayed on what is the proper definition for their widespread economic misery.

    Human tragedy, human misery, the crushing of the human spirit. They do not need defining–they need action.

    And it is action, in the form of jobs, lower taxes, and an expanded economy that — as President — I intend to provide.

    Call this human tragedy whatever you want. Whatever it is, it is Jimmy Carter’s. He caused it. He tolerates it. And he is going to answer to the American people for it.

    Last week, more than three years after be became President, he finally came up with what he calls a new economic program. It is his 5th new economic program in 3 ½ years. He talks as if someone else has been in charge these past few years. With two months to go until the election he rides to the rescue now with a crazy-quilt of obvious election-year promises which he’ll ask Congress for–next year. After three years of neglect, the misery of unemployment, inflation, high taxes, dwindling earning power and inability to save–after all this, American workers have now been discovered by this administration.

    Well it won’t work. It is cynical. It is political. And it is too late. The damage is done and every American family knows who did it.

    link

  26. Richard Cranium says:

    The Leftist push to ever Bigger Government, who knows better how to run your life than you, is looking to create yet another welfare-dependent group. This time it is vacuuming up all workers who, by one reason or another, are looking to receiving SocSec upon retirement. Obama and Democrats are baldly reversing decades of touting SocSec as a pension plan that individuals contribute 15% of their income (what your employer puts in is money that would have gone into your wages/salary) over a lifetime of working, into just another welfare program they can both tinker with and make people feel guilty about. Most conscientious individuals are not looking for a free lunch; they only want to receive what they earned.

    (Bolding added.)

    The bold text has been untrue for most (if not all) of the time SocSec has been in existence.

  27. McGehee says:

    Jdw, for some reason I think PW’s mobile theme got disabled but the code that detects mobile devices and redirects them to it is still in place.

    I have three browsers on my rooted Kindle but only the default Silk browser gets past the code and gets the desktop version of the site. On my phone I’m SOL.

  28. Mueller says:

    The rejoinder, Darleen, is that it is illegal NOT to pay your withholding. The money is taken from you under the penalty of prosecution.
    That being said, I return to my earlier demand. Just give what I’ve already paid in and we’ll call it quits. No harm, no foul, no interest. Just return to me all the monies I’ve paid in so far.
    See what they do with that.

  29. motionview says:

    If it weren’t for the traffic, revenue, and shouting-into-the-wilderness-ness of it all, it might be better to be a pariah. I have not followed this at all, as I still have a hard time believing this is what those assholes are spending their time on, so I’ll just say: yeah, we’re the problem.

  30. motionview says:

    As if it were the most natural, right thing in the world: first-among-equals. Where did that phrase come from again?

  31. motionview says:

    “The president probably took David’s opinion with more certitude than he did anybody else’s,” said William M. Daley, who left as chief of staff last month after a year in the White House. “If David said X, I think the president would more often believe X than challenge it.” Mr. Daley added that Mr. Obama would be more likely to heed Mr. Plouffe’s advice than his or that of other longtime confidants, the senior advisers Valerie Jarrett and Pete Rouse.

    That is a severe violation of omerta: a sourced quote about Plouffe. Looks like the gloves are completely off between the two sides of the Chicago Coalition. It is a wedge that we need to exploit to win in the fall – pitting the regularly corrupt Dem political machines against the wild-eyed Progs. Say what you will about those old Machines, they knew they had to keep the host healthy.

  32. Danger says:

    “Anybody else having trouble accessing the site with a mobile device?”

    No luck on my phone either, jdw.
    How do you switch to desktop mode in Opera?

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