George Will’s declaration that a GOP establishment doesn’t even exist hardest hit.
Among those quoted, Bill Kristol, who calls the TEA Party an “infantile form of conservatism.” Along with GOP lobbyists who openly talk about how they hope to co-opt and control TEA Party rubes.
I’ve been saying it for a while now: it’s the permanent political ruling class vs. the rest of us — and for establishment Republicans, it’s clearly better to retain power than it is to affect the kind of change that would reduce that power by reducing the size and scope of government.
And they’ve joined the Democrats in trying to push back against conservatism / classical liberalism.
So. If third party isn’t the answer, what is?
(h/t Rush Limbaugh)
Hey, NYT –
Project much?
You mad, bro?
I guess NYTM doesn’t think Tea Party voters would ever read anything they publish. If I were Bill Kristol (who was funny in City Slickers but not so much since) I’d be a little bit unhappy at having this op publicized. Damn you Wikileaks!
Of course, Bill Kristol is a true expert on “infantile conservatism”.
Because he wouldn’t know a real, mature, honest-to-God conservative if he bumped into one at his next “Bridge Mixer” at the Harvard Club or while getting his white suede bucks polished.
Fat chance that.
Primaries in which we explain to them the necessity of kissing our collective ass, as well as their present and future irrelevancy. As the contenders fall to the wayside, to whom do you suppose their present support will go? The base is clearly looking for NotRomney.
The rules have changed. They are pretending they haven’t in order to inevitablize Romney. The old game was that if you win Iowa and New Hampshire it’s all over, all the big money flowed to you and then you won with organization and ads. That is just not the way it works anymore, if we choose to not let it happen. We have to take Washington, and the Republican Party. Something you never hear about from the 2010 elections: we crushed the Democrats without giving money to national Republican organizations. The TEA Party is out there and as strong and as determined as ever, we are just going about our lives until the next chance to remove the fools and tools from office.
I think we go out there and vote for our TEA Party candidate in the earliest Republican primaries, and then in the next big round of primaries we coalesce around one. Any of these candidates are good to me: Cain, Gingrich, Bachmann, Perry (and Newt is back in for me in spite of his wandering dick and the Ryan attack because he seems to be the only candidate left who understands the MBM is the most powerful faction of the enemy).
Bill Kristol is really a guy with his finger on the pulse of the world, no?
Of course we were going to see inside opposition from those who the TP was seeking to replace. The answer is to continue to take over the Republicans Party from the Government Class.
Bill Kristol and his American Greatness Conservatism (which is nothing more than Theodore Roosevelt’s Progressivism v. 0.9 warmed over) represents the decadent, decrepit senescent form of conservatism.
City Slickers, heh.
I’m with Pablo – make the Establicans extinct via the ballot box. Hard to get their K street pals revolving door going if they don’t have any Congresscritters to turn ’em. And who would the Bill Kristol’s hold up as exmplars… Olympia Snowe?
I dunno, not giving the NYT exactly what it hoped this story would create?
Count me among the vagabonds. I have no proper chieftains. And the GOP can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.
Hairy-footed Visigoths, the lot of us.
I agree that we must keep working to take over the Republican Party from within, strengthening it with teapartiers. This is going to take a very long time. My understanding is that a lot of teapartiers are working at the local level right now, which I think makes sense.
I’m discouraged to see the pushback from the establishment, but that doesn’t seem very rational. Why would they not push back? I was imagining that the party would be delighted to be shown the errors of its ways; that’s not usually the way things work…
I’m also discouraged that Romney seems to be the only candidate who has a serious view of national security. Has Cain said anything sensible about foreign policy yet?
Do you think Palin will be considered as a VP candidate, and if so would she accept?
I don’t understand why anyone is still taking Bachmann seriously. The vaccine comment ended her candidacy, in my view.
Sarah, the “error of their ways” brings them lots of cash, power, and access.
“Gentlemen! We have to do something to keep our phonybalony jobs!”
So. If third party isn’t the answer, what is?
We keep stackin the deck in our favor. One candidate at a time
I might actually have to check out that article. Call it ‘competitive intelligence.’
This is going to take a very long time. My understanding is that a lot of teapartiers are working at the local level right now, which I think makes sense.
It’s been going on since the last election cycle, and it’s not going to take as long as you might think. I’m still not convinced that we have the mass needed to beat the Establicans in the Presidential campaign, but we’ll damn sure give ’em another crop of reformists in the Congress and the states.
Kristol and Will and the rest of the Beltway insiders can call me whatever names they wish. As the great warrior once said: “I’m laughing at the superior intellect!”
RomneeyRomney
Oh Noes, it’s the GOPeeseburgler!
“When In The Course of Human Events…”
CCCCCAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!
That part could probably stand to be re-emphasized: give to CANDIDATES, not party PACs.
No money to RNC, no money to the party’s incumbent protection arms for House and Senate. After the nomination if you want to give to the Republican nominee do it directly (if that’s even still legal) and not through the Establishment.
And we will have fun storming the castle!
“So. If third party isn’t the answer, what is?”
Let’s scare the bastards. Tell ’em we’re hitching wagons with the OWS outfit, to provide certain…elements…they are lacking.
Halfway, I’m not serious.
I’ve got to say that those “American Greatness” neocons scare me. They represent the worst of leftist caricatures of right wing warmongers.
Can proponents of American classical liberal republican-democracy do other than support their own tenets as universally valid for human beings as such? This isn’t to say these tenets are or aren’t universally valid for human beings as such, but merely to recognize that they claim to be so, and if so claiming, can’t consistently do other than commend themselves to other peoples. But of course, the devil — as we were reminded just two days ago — is in the details.
(small-L) libertarianism.
We do not initiate violence, but we have absolutely no problem responding to violence with violence.
So choose carefully who you try to intimidate.
– Bill Kristal could not intimidate a Q-tip.
The Establishment GOP: relentlessly finding a way to lose in 2012.
We do need to loudly and regularly remind people that these are the same geniuses who gave us McCain last time around (and ‘Compassionate Conservatism’ the time before that).
It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
– Hey, we got rid of the Botox Bitch, albeit we have to endure a Boner for a time, and Reid is reduced to clownish extremes to try to hang on, so there’s some good.
– We just have to keep weeding the garden until the old guard is disposed.
Who is Matt Bai? And has he accomplished his aim?
kinda melodramatic I think… if the establishment pansies wanna take back Team R all they have to do is vote for Romney
done and done
and then you can all get tasty pancakes on election day instead of voting plus you can stop and get some tasty Baskin Robbins ice cream cake bites for watching the returns later
– I sometimes wonder if the 56,000+ Americans that layed down their lives to stop the Axis in WWII would bother if they could see what we’ve come to.
– All my family that fought and/or died would take one look at these OWS morons and there would be an ass kicking party that would go on until every little Comrad was either in jail or in the ground.
– Olive garbage has blinked, a spokesman saying the manager was mistaken and says the company will personally apologize to each member of the Kiwanis club. According to him they have no such ban on flags at functions, and he added “We are all sincerely sorry this ever happened”. I bet they are, judging from the tone of comments after the original article.
– This is the way you have to deal with PC gone wild.
– Now lets see. Just who would be bothered by the sight of an American flag?
http://theothermccain.com/2011/10/13/top-rubio-staffer-reportedly-pushed-for-early-florida-primary-to-help-romney/
Rubio Romney insider deal? Say it aint so Marco, say it aint so!
“- Now lets see. Just who would be bothered by the sight of an American flag?”
Link
I might actually have to check out that article.
Is it online anywhere yet?
What article?
This article?
Okay, found it (thanks Rush).
I want to point out this bit:
I grew up in Weber’s district (MN-2 at the time), and I can tell you, that fucker is the poster-boy for term limits. The guy went to D.C. to be part of the solution and instead he stayed there and became part of the problem. He was elected to the House in ’80 as part of the Reagan revolution, and was forced into retirement in ’92 because he was the worst Republican offender in the Congressional
bankingcheck-kiting scandle. The College Republicans that I was thick with, back in the day, chalked it up to Potomac Fever. That town is poison. And I’m glad that the Tea-Party GOPers aren’t enjoying themselves. I want ’em to do their civic duty, and then get the fuck out.Hot damn, maybe there is hope.
But let’s not get cocky. If they stayed there long enough, the Archangels that defeated Lucifer would become Beltway apparatchiks.
Get used to the bafflement, guys. Your 2003 behavior made us stay home in droves, and your subsequent moves have made us mobilize against you. You’ve moved your own side from supporting you, to abandoning you, to working against and around you. Such political geniuses you are!
The establishment isn’t presuming anything, you simpleton. They’re working overtime to make it happen. They’re desperate to preserve their cushy insider position. They’re looking at an existential fight before them. They’re not passively ‘presuming’ anything!
This Bai kid ain’t the sharpest bulb in the picnic basket, is he?
As well they should! Another plastic action figure mouthing empty platitudes; an empty vessel into which we can pour our hopes and dreams. That worked out so well the last time!
That’s a lie. How many Tea Partiers do you know who don’t support ‘fundamental transformation’ of Social Security & Medicare?
Go suck a bag of dicks, Bai.
And finally, only 50-some paragraphs into the article, does Bai finally get away from the Presidential horse race and stumble into the important stuff:
I guess even a stopped clock is right sooner or later.
All in all, the article is far better at recording the reactions of insiders than it is at defining any of us puzzling knuckle-draggers from flyover land who keep causing such a ruckus.
“Why are these unwashed rubes so uppity? Why can’t they just play by the old rules? Don’t they understand that they’re totally unreasonable and they’re just going to screw things up? Don’t they know that they’re born to lose and destined to fail?”
These are the questions that remain unanswered.
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