A bit wordy, that title, wouldn’t you say?
Here, allow me: “Obama routinely bypasses Congress, conservatives say”
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What would Obama need Congress for? He’s already got the EPA enforcing a de facto Cap And Trade, he’s got the DoJ selectively enforcing laws, he’s got czars out the ying-yang, enforcing arbitrarily-determined policy. We scarcely need the legislative branch to do anything with the Politburo he’s created. And without the bother of elections. Bonus!
Coulda been a longer title. The first paragraph adds social conservatives.
Of course, nobody likes them…
Me, I’m an anti-social conservative. Also known in some parts as a “small-mouthed anarchist”.
OT: Good takedown by Jonah of the “conservatives are anti-science” meme.
The comments, however, are not heartening at all, decending into the typical creation vs. evolution nonsense.
I’m uncomfortable with genetically modified crops. It may well be because I’m an idiot, and ignorant to boot, but I rationalize it by reasoning there may be consequences the scientists haven’t foreseen.
See, it’s their ignorance of questions they haven’t even thought to ask that worries me.
Maybe I just read one James Rollins book too many…
I’ve always been fond of looking a modern sweet corn, comparing that with the proto-plant it came from and understanding the difference as nothing but genetic modification. At least, as to crops.
unknown unknowns: mr rummy says
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/275916/todays-nlrb-decision-will-make-union-organization-easier-peter-kirsanow
oh lookey:
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LBascom:Ever turn into a cow after eating a hamburger?
Same deal.
I know what you’re saying sdferr, about the corn, but there’s a big difference between breeding, and genetic engineering on the molecular level in the lab. You specified crops, I know, but I think it’s like the difference between breeding your racehorse by AI with a champion, and building Frankenstein’s monster. Which, Dr Frankenstein had the best of intentions, don’t you know?
Says the idiot.
I’m sympathetic where it comes to a wariness regarding the uncertainty of political matters Lee. As I’ve said before, politics just isn’t science in any way shape or form so far as I can see. But as to the question of genetic modification on its own terms, I’m a bit more sanguine, I guess. Or to put it another way, the early modifiers of corn were largely working in the dark, with no more knowledge of the possible outcomes of their choices than would come of any such ignorant fiddling with heritable characteristics. Modern genetic science has a bit more insight into precisely what it is they are doing. Which is better? Knowing, or not knowing?
“LBascom:Ever turn into a cow after eating a hamburger?
Same deal.”
No, but I think all the hormones injected directly into cattle and poultry are affecting people in ways as yet unexplored.
Also, it’s not just eating the corn I’m worried about. In fact, that’s not really my main concern. I’m thinking more along the lines of a particular strain affecting insects in unforeseen ways, or something like that.
There’s ecosystems within ecosystems reliant on complex processes out in the field, and I doubt we fully understand them.
I probably worry over nothing though.
‘Cuz I’m an idiot.
Stay away from corn. And soybeans. And potatoes. And apples. And wheat. And barley. And beef. And chicken. And pork. And, hell, everything that mankind purposefully raises for our use.
Especially those called “heirloom varieties”. That’s how they hide the centuries, millenia even, of genetic manipulation behind a safe-sounding label.
“Which is better? Knowing, or not knowing?”
Better to not know than to gain the knowing through spectacular failure.
I mean, “NOW” I know not to stand in a barrel of gasoline with a lit match” is wisdom of questionable value.
Except there isn’t, particularly in the case of corn. The two grasses that are the ancestors of corn are genetically incompatible. Sometime in the past, the exact processes used in the lab happened in nature.
Like Pierre and Marie Curie dying of radiation poisoning I take it?
Also, me thinks I’m not the only one” worried…
You get more “hormones” from soybeans than you do from that DIRECTLY! INJECTED! into livestock.
“Like Pierre and Marie Curie dying of radiation poisoning I take it?”
More like the Manhattan project killing everyone on the western seaboard with radiation fallout. It didn’t happen, but some were worried.
Idiots.
Yeah, I had an argument about the counter-factuals on the Manhattan project with BigBangHunter sometime back. Worries prior to entirely novel events are best not to take lightly, I suppose, but don’t offer us much after the novel events have gone off without the source of the worry proving out. But anyhow, given the myriad of genetic modifications already at large in the world, shouldn’t we expect to find something untoward among them worth study and thought for having spectacularly failed? That is, we should, but so far as I’m aware, we don’t. Yet the worries nevertheless continue to abound.
“You get more “hormones” from soybeans than you do from that DIRECTLY! INJECTED! into livestock.”
I heard soymilk can decrease fertility in men.
You seem to be taking this personally Crawford.
“Yet the worries nevertheless continue to abound.”
please stop that. shemp smith needs his job.
You seem to be taking this
personallyemotionally Crawford. (I shoulda said…)“But anyhow, given the myriad of genetic modifications already at large in the world, shouldn’t we expect to find something untoward among them worth study and thought for having spectacularly failed? “
Well, to continue the nuke fallout analogy, despite the 65 years of benefits nuclear science has given us, I still worry the technology will wipe out civilization in spectacular failure one day.
I’m not saying I lose sleep over either issue, just that I object to being called an idiot for being concerned.
This shows the weakness not the strength of the progressive position. What one president does can be undone by another in the time it takes to sign an executive order. Legislation is more permanent. Overturning Obamacare will require a majority in the House, a super majority in the Senate and a President all acting together to repeal it. Supreme Court Decisions are the next level of difficulty and only slightly easier to change than Constitutional Amendments which come as close to permanent as it gets.
We need to start asking the candidates what they propose to do about the various orders issued by this President.
I think we should ignore, for the most part anyhow, people calling us idiots on such flimsy grounds, but continue to maintain an informed skepticism as regards novel “scientific” breakthroughs, with the emphasis on informed, so far as we’re able. Which means in turn, we should leave off where we’re not informed, or standing on what we believe solid ground. This isn’t to say that speculations of the sort engendered by Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein aren’t worthy in themselves, just that it seems to me they’re distinct from scientific skepticism as such, and better characterized as speculations of a political sort, which put us into a different territory altogether.
“Overturning Obamacare will require a majority in the House, a super majority in the Senate”
karltherovester saysDemocrats Can’t Filibuster ObamaCare Repeal
The GOP needs 51 Senate votes, and a new president, to get it done.
I still worry the technology will wipe out civilization in spectacular failure one day.
You’ll never know what happened.
So no reason to worry about it.
“So no reason to worry about it.”
So, we shouldn’t be concerned about Iran getting nuclear weapons?
Write Obama. He’ll be pleased.
“So, we shouldn’t be concerned about Iran getting nuclear weapons? ”
kinda of distinct question from whether food is genetically modified no?
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“kinda of distinct question from whether food is genetically modified no?”
Well, what was quoted from me(#31) was talking about the nuclear genie, and I believe that’s what she was referring to since she said I’d never know what happened.
Here’s a thought question though. Do you think scientists have developed, or know of theoreticals, where strains of engineered seed that could , say, through cross pollination of regular strains, wipe out crops across a large region?
The ability to corrupt crop seed to cause famine would be a nasty weapon, up there with the biological ones.
I’m going to start worrying about Katia now, for want of a nearer threat. By my count, of the 23 storms beginning within 2 degrees of her present position, 7 hit the US, with 3 of those 7 hitting Fl. (and one of those a Cat5 passing right over my neighborhood) with 2 others passing to the south. Plus, she looks to be hefty by Fri, before traversing a long stretch of higher than 80 degree water, so probably mega-hefty by the time she might come this way. Ok, maybe not worry worry, but eying suspiciously for the next few days anyhow.
There’s an extra “that” in 35.
I ain’t the president, get off my back about the writing!
Cat4, rather: apologies for the misread there.
“By my count, of the 23 storms beginning within 2 degrees of her present position, 7 hit the US, with 3 of those 7 hitting Fl”
Most climatologists say it’s ‘cuz of anthropological global warming. Algore made a movie.(see what I did there?)
I’m skeptical.
I’ll still worry about you a bit though.
Obama is
FrankensteinsDemocrats monster!IT LIIIIVES!!!
I’m making torches and sharpening my pitchfork, to get back on topic…
On the brighter side of our distant weather projecting, the current models put Katia at somewhere between 21N and 26N once it arrives in the vicinity of 65W, which if I read the historical tracks right means it most likely turns to the open Atlantic thereafter. The trick with this good news, however, is trusting the current models to be correct about that initial west-northwesterly path.
men always bypasses
con gresses with glasses
“Do you think scientists have developed, or know of theoreticals, where strains of engineered seed that could , say, through cross pollination of regular strains, wipe out crops across a large region?”
no because i think this world can handle idiots like humans at least for the last 6000 years or maybe 1 billion years.
BTW, while we were arguing about whether or not Palin was electable after having been so successfully savaged by the United Progressive Front, they have slowly, steadily, relentlessly, dishonestly and successfully savaged us. Ready to fight through the narrative yet or should we just lay down?
There have been instances where scientists went out to design one thing and, failing that, accidentally designed another that has proven highly beneficial. Plastics, for one. Now whether plastics are highly beneficial is open to interpretation in prog land. The same probably holds true in crop production.
Which, I don’t get why people are afraid of modifying crops and such, but have no problems with a tangelo or a pumelo or grafting roses? I get that hybrids are usually infertile, but still… aren’t modified crops also infertile, too?
Pumelos are not hybrids. And hybrids are frequently fertile, although they don’t always breed true. But there are some hybrids that are true-breeding.
But: wow; I didn’t know grapefruits were hybrids.
I hadn’t been paying attention until a few minutes ago, but damned if the smear of Michele Bachmann using a falsely edited video stolen from Stacy McCain and currently spreading around the internet isn’t the calumny of the week if not the month. It ain’t no hybrid but it’s proven fertile enough to have ensnared even big media jerks.
Couldn’t remember on the pumelo, but I guessed it was as it had -elo in its name. NO wonder I had issues in biology class… and I misremembered that graphed trees don’t pollinate. I invoke Emily Litella. Or Alzheimers. Or a hybrid of the two.
The “label” is viewed negatively. But worry not. We are a mist. We are an idea. They can’t kill us. Just make us think people are turning against us.
Problem is, they are turning against a lie, a fabrication. And so when they meet us anew, under some other name, they’ll like us again. We ARE America.
Hopefully America is not self loathing, i don’t think it is, but i do think it has a split personality.
I worry that technology will fail to increase efficiency enough to sustain the rapidly growing population of the unproductive and civilization will be destroyed by a mob of ignorant barbarians.
I think that the more plausible, perhaps likely, scenario.
#49 – Exactly.
“I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own!”
The label will always be outlaw at some point underneath it all, because we do not accept the State as being the guide of our fate, but an evil that all too often gets in the way.
“I worry that technology will fail to increase efficiency enough to sustain the rapidly growing population “
Hey, they’re turning corn into ethanol as fast as they can!
I see nothing wrong with that, provided the demand for corn whiskey is high.
As long as Obama remains in office, I expect that it will be.