The Washington Examiner’s Timothy Carney on Rick Perry:
“I’m a pro-business governor — I don’t make any apologies about it,” Rick Perry told the crowds in Iowa this week. He’s right, but we can get more specific. Perry is pro-Merck, pro-Boeing, pro-Mesa Wind, pro-Texas Instruments, pro-Convergen, and pro-dozens of businesses that donate to his campaigns and hire his aides as lobbyists.
Perry promises to “get Americans back to work,” but his policies — from backroom drug company giveaways to green energy subsidies — eerily mirror the unseemly big business-big government collusion that has characterized President Obama’s presidency. Judging by his record in Texas, Perrynomics might just be low-tax Obamanomics.
Big government Republicans who differ from big government Dems inasmuch as they prefer lower taxes? Hmmm. Where have I heard that before?
But I digress. Carney, again:
Corporate welfare king Boeing provided a formative experience for Perry. Weeks after Perry took over the governorship in 2001, the jet maker announced it was moving its corporate headquarters out of Seattle and was considering Chicago, Denver and Dallas. Undoubtedly, Texas provided the best business environment: lower taxes, less regulation, better weather, less traffic. But Chicago won because Mayor Richard Daley and Gov. George Ryan offered Boeing $63 million in “incentives,” including a $1 million buyout to a tenant who was occupying Boeing’s preferred office space.
One problem: Texas’ slower legislative process prevented the state from making a counteroffer. Perry was determined to fix this inefficiency so he would never be out-corporate-welfared again.
In his next State of the State address, Perry pushed the Legislature to create the Texas Enterprise Fund, giving the governor, lieutenant governor and House speaker the power to hand out multimillion-dollar grants to businesses seeking to relocate to or expand within the state. Two years later, Perry and the Legislature created another subsidy bank, called the Texas Emerging Technology Fund, using taxpayer money to invest in high-tech companies. Perry made government a venture capital fund.
Muckrakers at the Los Angeles Times and the Austin American Statesman have shown a strong correlation between Perry’s biggest campaign contributors and the money handled by these funds and Perry’s other public-private partnership. Almost half of Perry’s “mega-donors,” according to the Times, have received profitable favors from the Texas government. Poultry magnate Joe Sanderson, for instance, gave Perry’s campaign $165,000 and received $500,000 from the Texas Enterprise Fund to open a facility in Waco, the Times reports.
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[…] just as President Obama uses renewable energy as an excuse for steering taxpayer money to big business, Perry also loves green corporate welfare. Perry was a featured speaker at the national wind lobby’s 2008 conference, where he touted his 2005 law requiring Texans to purchase wind and solar energy — all in the name of “job creation” and business growth. If you force people to buy a product, of course the businesses selling that product will grow.
Perry also shares Obama’s tendency to enrich drug companies, employing friendly revolving-door lobbyists. Perry’s little bit of pharma welfare was his 2007 executive order requiring all sixth-grade girls to be vaccinated for human papillomavirus, which can cause cervical cancer. Drugmaker Merck happened to have exclusive rights to the HPV vaccine, and Merck’s top lobbyist in Austin happened to be Perry’s former chief of staff, Mike Toomey. Also, Merck’s political action committee had cut a $6,000 check to Perry. The state Legislature reversed this executive overreach.
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Perry’s actions as governor suggest that for him, “pro-business” means “corporatism.” His words are telling, too. While critiquing Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal in his book “Fed Up,” Perry states that economic recovery came from “World War II, when FDR was finally persuaded to unleash private enterprise.” Is he talking about the Emergency Price Control Act of 1942, complete with its rationing? Or maybe FDR “unleashed private enterprise” through the War Production Board or the War Manpower Commission?
Or maybe Rick Perry simply conflates private enterprise with private profit.
After four years of bailouts, drug-lobby-crafted health care “reform,” corporate handouts in the name of “stimulus” and “green jobs,” and cash-for-clunkers boondoggles, does Perry really think what we need is more corporatism?
These are Carney’s questions, not mine.
Still, they’re disquietingly rhetorical.
Of course, Perry has one giant plus going for him: he’s not Obama. But is he the best candidate for classical liberals / constitutional conservatives?
More on the pros and cons of Perry, here.
I’m very concerned that Perry would be just like Obama except for advocating lower taxes.
More also here.
I’m certain Perry will be asked and have answers for these influence peddling innuendos. So I’ll reserve judgment until that happens. If given a choice i would chose Palin over Perry, for whatever that is worth.
I call bullshit. There’s nothing ‘corporatist’ about BHO except for the fleecing and redistribution rhetoric and the hate-the-rich gamesmanship.
You goober, just a day or so ago you were touting Perry as the best thing since sliced bread.
I’m beginning to think you are spastic.
There’s more to a presidency than economic policy, but if you want to talk economics then lower taxes are a great place to start.
Whether or not Gov. Perry gave breaks to certain companies – something I am not advocating, I should point out – doesn’t seem to have much bearing on whether or not he’s likely increase the national debt as much as the current President, or balance the budget, etc.
And Perry’s foreign policy, I imagine, would look a damn sight different than President O’s does.
Of course, the same could be said for a hypothetical President Bachmann, or President Palin, or President Romney… OK maybe not so much Romney.
Naw, serr8d, he’s still just trying to get laid by NG; his pathetic political positions seem based on what he thinks she’d like….
He’s just like Obama plus he tried to exploit pussy cancer for profit.
Either that, or he really needs to move back to Texas to get some healthier air in his lungs….
Actually, winning Boeing’s headquarters hasn’t really done anything to help the Illinois economy (they brought no manufacturing jobs here), so maybe Texas was better off not winning that particular bid….
“Whether or not Gov. Perry gave breaks to certain companies – something I am not advocating, I should point out – doesn’t seem to have much bearing on whether or not he’s likely increase the national debt as much as the current President, or balance the budget, etc.”
The same road at a walk instead of a run is still the same road.
Do we have any candidates available who don’t have some sort of negative subsidy exposure?
I’d be willing to bet we don’t. (Something that bugged me about Daniels, by the way, was ethanol. Guess what, Bachmann has some of that same downside. Similarly, Pawlenty could say what he wanted out of office and touring Iowa but back when he could actually effect policy, he wasn’t so bold.)
Here in this state, Walker is setting up the same thing. Basically, you offer a good deal for anyone willing to come to your state. But, that “open to all comers” offer is only taken up by a few so afterwards it seems as though it’s only being done for the takers. And those takers tend to write you a campaign check. Bam, now it’s suddenly looks like a quid quo pro.
So it can look terrible but it was an open offer all along.
now it suddenly looks
Btw, I’m not a big fan of any of this shit but unless we look at all the candidates through this lens, I’m not going to take it as a problem relative to other candidates. It’ll just be an absolute problem they all share to some degree or another.
I just found out that Perry supported Al Gore in 1988.
Weak defense Mr. Perry, weak defense…
Let’s tear them all down! Wheee!
We are all happyfeet now.
So the question may become, or should become, “what else has it [the candidate unsexed] got?”
I.e., can he play tennis? Is her dog painted green? Does he remember Madison? Will she run for fitness? Is his gunnin’ done for funnin’? Can she string together two coherent sentences on the meaning of classical liberalism? Will his bowling score decline? Does she know how to use a circular saw? Is his whole life’s desire the attainment of office? Is it money? Power? Fame? What?
Embrace your inner electric hamster… .
Bascom, let’s presume that the implication of my statement is incorrect and that it’s entirely my fault. Meaning, I don’t have any reason to believe he would increase the debt, at all. My less-than-carefully considered comment should not reflect poorly on Perry; what Perry actually says and does should reflect on him, one way or the other.
Happy – he’s already addressed the cancer vaccination issue here. He’s a politician of course so who knows whether this is a calculated statement or the guy’s true feelings; we might never know so you’ll need to make your own judgment.
I’m going with bh on this one as he seems like a level-headed guy. This could be a problem for Perry, but it will be sorted out soon enough I think.
If it is bad, we’ll know. And if it’s proven to be bad, I won’t want to vote for the guy.
1988 – A kinder, gentler Al Gore, back when he was using his Senatorial-ness to enable his wife to dick around with the music industry.
Okay, so that was 1985, but still. Least we got a wonderfully titled album out of the deal (Frank Zappa Meets the Mothers of Prevention).
my sense is that happyfeet is being deeply sarcastic
stupid sarcastic jerkface
As shallow as this sounds, I’m a little wary of Texas business-types right now. They seem to turn faster than your average fruit. My money is on the snowbillie-hootchie.
Seems to me in 88 Gore was the most conservative of the candidates, and Perry was a dem at that time.
For a classical liberal, none of the above, except for Ron Paul is a good candidate. And I know how everyone, including yours truly, feels about his foreign policy. However,I severely doubt that Paul would do half the stuff he says he will do, for the same reasons that the alleged dove Obama hasn’t. There’s stuff, in foreign policy circles, that we just don’t know about and the president does. Perry is left over Bush. Again, Palin is more conservative/classically liberal where it counts, but I know some electric hamsters are allergic to vaginas in power.
One thing to note about his dalliance with manbearpig is that this was before manbearpig left the mother ship and was actually southern blue dogish. Perry was a southern Democrat trying to get his feet in the filthy political water so he worked for Gore. This is not something I would be concerned about if I dug his other credentials.
Here’s a writeup on Perry that’s pretty thorough.
http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives/
There’s nothing ‘corporatist’ about BHO except for the fleecing and redistribution rhetoric and the hate-the-rich gamesmanship.
How are you using “corporatism” here?
Because Obama is plenty guilty of playing footsie with big entities that are politically useful to him. Big Labor is just as much a part of the corporatist cabal as Big Biz and Big Gubmint.
Do we have any candidates available who don’t have some sort of negative subsidy exposure?
Doubt it. Until recently, most conservatives would not have flinched over “corporate welfare” or other types of subsidies that bring big biz to a state or community. I know that I wouldn’t have prior to reading Liberal Fascism.
I am uninspired by the Republican field right now, because of the crushing weight of fail we have hanging over us. I should be more optimistic, I suppose, but that’s not who I am.
It could also be that the field is simply uninspiring cranky-d, so we merely see what it’s missing and respond to it accordingly. On the other hand, as to optimism, as living critters, I think we always gots to bring our own, rather than hang it in dependence on some other.
I would take a corporatist who seeks to attract profit making ventures to his location. Because they do hire people, they do have somewhat of an economic multiplier effect on the local economy. Cronyism is really when someone influences the rules to their own gain at the expense of others (like carbon taxes or high frequency trading) – attracting businesses with incentives does not cross that line.
From the Medici’s to Bangalore – it is historical intersection of profit generator and rule maker. Carney wants to finds him some pure as snow leader … good luck.
The current piece of work who has been all about juicing up the regulartory machinery solely for the purpose of exacerbating cronyism? Screw that.
I’ll just point out it’s primary season, and hard, unmerciful vetting is what needs be done.
We can dig out the rainbows and unicorns during the general.
My happiness and my optimism, or lack thereof, are on me and no one else.
Good luck finding any governor, anywhere, at any time in history who didn’t bend a rule, look the other way, modify a law, funnel cash or what have you to his/her local industry.
That’s their only real job. Sometimes it’s egregious, and it’s always good reporting to point it out, but it will never, ever change.
Yeah, that didn’t read the way I intended it to, which is to say it was written poorly — not aimed at you cranky-d, in particular, but merely as a general observation of the way we make optimism as opposed to find it.
I agree, sdferr.
I had the identical thought the other day, O.I. Ideally Paul would strip what fat exists in US foreign policy, which is loads. But I really doubt he’d get to move one pawn in any game to expose Israel. The reality of that blunder he’d learn his first week in office.
A place that for the rest of his agenda, he’ll sadly never occupy.
A fellow like Paul, who can think his own way into such absurdities in foreign affairs, ought on those grounds alone to never get anywhere near the office of the Presidency.
Agree 100%, JHoward. One thing that does concern me is his seeming naivete in regards to Islamists*. I agree that trade is the vehicle to peace. It’s been shown to be for hundreds of years, but sometimes, Paul, and his mouth piece, Mr. Lew, seem to think that hey, if we trade with the Islamists*, they’ll love us. As I said early, that’s a rather naive take on truly evil human beings*. But, he covers that by being fairly strong in national defense. You know actually protecting the borders.
*No, lurking moron. Not, that is not all Muslims, but rather the riled up retards that take Mo’s deeds to heart.
See, this is where we disagree though, sdferr. We are too extended. We are not called on to police the world, which is what we have been doing for some time. He’s simply restating Washington’s admonition about entangling alliances. From Washington’s farewell address:
I know it’s a much smaller world, now, then it was in Washington’s time and practicality is obviously important. However, we have become much too involved in foreign matters. Again, as I said before, I don’t believe as President, Paul, would be quite the dove as people suppose he would be. Including himself.
“…But is he the best candidate for classical liberals / constitutional conservatives?”
From Jeff’s second link:
“Faced with a budget deficit in 2010-11, Perry became the first Texas governor since WWII to cut general fund spending
• Also balanced budget in 2003 by cutting spending in a challenging economic environment”
Well that’s a start.
Then there is this:
“And if I hurt the president’s feelings, well, with all due respect, I love my country and I love future generations more than I care about his feelings,” the 61-year-old governor added.
“It’s the height of hypocrisy for this president to call anyone a marginal performer. If anyone is a marginal performer, it’s him. He has downgraded the good name and credit of this country,” Perry said. “Talk about someone who has marginalized America.”
So I can think of one more guy that he is not. Somebody who was afraid to send anything stronger than flowers Down Range.
on an unrelated note A-ha is reuniting for to do a concert on Aug 21 for the dead murdered socialist scandi children
that would be cool to go see but the logistics make attendance impractical
You should like Obama by heaps then OI, since he’s perfected the art of standing by and watching events transpire — well, that is when he’s not actively encouraging our enemies.
I disagree that we shouldn’t be the world’s policeman. Who else would you have do it? The world needs policing sometimes.
The world also needs a good guy like the U.S. they can slam verbally in public, but in secret thank the gods that it exists.
See there in lies the difference between me and Obama (as well as virtually everything else), sdferr. I wouldn’t actually encourage our enemies. Intervening has not always gone so swell for us. Also, Obama has increased our presence in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well as joined a third theater in Libya. He’s not doing nearly as much “standing by” as you’d think.
The power is still there, cranky, even if we aren’t the world’s police man. Do you actually think we’d turn into a neutered super power if we chose to be more non-interventionist? I don’t.
He’s standing by where it counts OI. Remember as he came into office he was all up in Iran’s face about nuclear weapons development? The Iranians were going to have to meet Obama’s ultimatum in a year he said. Funny, he has said next to nothing about that since. And given the opportunity on a platter to encourage the Iranian people in their revolt in the summer of ’09, Obama sided with the mullahs! Brilliant. Oh sure, he increases our presence in Afghanistan while simultaneously undermining his own vaunted “strategy” by declaring a fixed withdrawal date. Again, brilliant! Does he adjust to retrogression in Iraq? Oh hells no: he’s out to see Bush’s accomplishments undone, because Bush was an idiot! Mission accomplished!
it’s no better to be safe than sorry
“See, this is where we disagree though, sdferr. We are too extended. We are not called on to police the world, which is what we have been doing for some time. “
We are not called on to police the world, but the world has certain realities that require attention. Our economy requires trade, which depends on secure trade routes, and secure trading partners.
We’ve already been trading with Muslims for generations(oil) and it turns out it doesn’t make everyone satisfied. All men are not of good will, and you can’t just disengage and walk away from a self declared enemy intent on destroying what it can’t absorb. Well, you can, but it’s foolish.
We have treaties and contracts and friendships with allies across the globe. As the only superpower, we have a responsibility as well as self interest in defending them. I guess if you evisorate the military to balance the budget and so aren’t a superpower anymore, you won’t have that responsibility, but letting China invade Japan is still a bad idea(I use an extreme example to make the point).
I would like to see Ron Paul be Treasury Secretary or something, but he’s totally unqualified to be Commander in Chief.
I’ve got to give Obama his due though: he is an active bower.
Al Gore ’88 was not the Al Gore of today. He became Al GoretheMoron only after he hooked up with Bill Clinton for that 8-year stint as the virtuous half of the ticket. Before his fall, Gore was somewhat more sensible; the ‘blue dog’ moniker fit him well.
Democrats have been steadily losing all sensibilities since LBJ in ’68; today, they are collectively shades of their proud (and some even honorable) predecessors.
Sdferr, I read that wrong at first. I thought you were talking about him like a dog again. In either case carry on.
“So I can think of one more guy that he is not. Somebody who was afraid to send anything stronger than flowers Down Range.”
Is there somebody else in the presidential danger squad who is forthright and brave and true and special?
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Still waiting…
No! NOT ROMNEY!! AIEEE!!!
Still, interesting the republican frontrunner supported democrats during the Reagan years.
One of them “hummmm” moments…
Yes, David, I’ll Admit. You are not in the Romney Castle kissing his earlobes and rubbing his eye brows. I simply can’t stand the up and down and round and round supporter of political ideals and hairspray.
49 for 46.
The head of the “Reagan Years” was a pretty strong Democrat, Bascom, before knowledge and understanding dragged him out. Reagan, that is.
Young hotties wanted.
Why wasn’t this tact used to vet BHO ?
Out of the field of announced candidates who would be best?
I don’t know yet; it is too early.
#53: why wasn’t it used to vet BHO? Ummm….maybe there weren’t any in his background?
“Is there somebody else in the presidential danger squad who is forthright and brave and true and special?”
BJ,
I’m still hoping for teh Fred to make a comeback;)
Assuming he stays alive, Danger. Old for the fight but smart as heck.
#54 Reggie Love called in and all he got was a stinking t-shirt and a box of smokes.
“Old for the fight but smart as heck”
What if he got the Marco Rubio insurance?
The yard calls so…
Later haters;)
I don’t know if he’s the best choice, but he’s not on my Never Gonna Vote For list. So far.
And that’s not Nothing.
The “never gonna vote for” list is brave and free … and often declined (not by you, buddy, but by others) if there are free and cool things to get … elsewhere … or there …
Chocolate Chip Cookies. VOTE!
“The head of the “Reagan Years” was a pretty strong Democrat, Bascom, before knowledge and understanding dragged him out. Reagan, that is.”
Technically, Reagan didn’t leave the Democrats, they left him(as he put it).
JFK would be an awesome republican candidate these days.
OK, L. Reagan had knowledge and understanding so Democrats left him. Hooray!
JFK would be an awesome republican candidate these days.
Um, you might wanna re-check #53…
Didn’t mention this earlier but this line set off every alarm bell possible: “Judging by his record in Texas, Perrynomics might just be low-tax Obamanomics.”
Really? I noted the weasel phrasing “might just” immediately. Then I thought about the underlying premise for a second and said, “No, not at all.”
This might just>/i> be a hack hit piece. Some people wonder it, after all. Questions are being raised. (By me. In this comment.)
Would I be willing to bet that a high percentage of these questions were conveniently compiled beforehand for Carney? Yes, I “might just” do that.
Ooops. Look like I screwed up a tag. Sorry.
we might as well just re-elect obama
This is what pisses me off about the mainstream media all the time.
We’re just raising questions here? Why? You’re a fucking journalist, Carney. Investigate. Find some answers. Give us context. Find out how Perry differs from others if he does.
Do your job.
Well, Obama is only a “shared sacrifice” Perry.
Frankly, that sounds better to me than a poor-stomping corporatist.
An endorsement that counts:
“Offensive” to whom is left open…
one of the people who worked for Mr. Governor Perry was a former lobbyist Mr. bh
let that sink in for a second
Oh look, another one:
Heh, rock the vote, Lee.
What I want to hear is how Perry is the anti-establishment choice. That’s why they want Ryan to run, right? Heard Rush mention it. And, the RoveBushCocktailPartiers are against him. Slam dunk then.
This criteria mattered earlier. Does it still matter?
The new economics.
Can’t really joke around all that much with you this way, ‘feets, because you’ve used similar charges against other candidates you dislike without much thought.
I’m not much of a team player
we need some team h tee shirts with the happy pikachu
Play for team happyfeet. Team happyfeet is helped by appearing fair.
(I can be sanctimonious sometimes, I know. The Jesuits put crazy thoughts into my head. I was young and impressionable.)
The point is Mr. Perry will do just fine I think.
He satisfies the needs of the moment while minimizing the danger of anyone veering into gushing fawning rah rah hail the messiah territory.
Those are very special qualities.
team h luvs some christainist rabble from texas
I never said I loved him … but he’s by far the best Team R is likely to do and we need to hurry up and elect him cause Obama keeps fucking things up worser and worser
Cowboy Corporatist rides to the rescue:
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It’s where we are, isn’t it?
Dems cheer Obama’s more lenient rules on illegal immigrants
The tenses in that snippet are interesting.
Sorta like they’re pretending that an unlikely future tense is the present tense. They should call it the We-Think-Latinos-Are-Fucking-Naive Act.
On the plus side, I’m pretty sure even Nishi understands the terrain by now.
mr. perry has a dream too
How’s your cocktail, nr?
Say hi to Rove for me.
Now this is funny!
well to karltherovester: nuts.
#87 see #74.
oops, missed that geoffb.
for team h
Link
that seems a little overwrought I think it suffices to say that Mr. Governor Perry is good at keeping his eye on the ball
I think that’s right. They (the bad guys) do the same thing with Palin.
Everyone knows a legend or two. In bro talk a legend does wild ass things and gets away with it because they’re fundamentally awesome.
Shoot a coyote on a jog? Legend. Shoot a wolf from a helicopter? Legend.
(Hell, they have their own version of this. Obama giving the bird during a debate. Clinton nailing strange.)
“Mr. Governor Perry is good at keeping his eye on the ball”
ms. sarah is good at that too
That completely explains Teddy Roosevelt now that I think about it.
and Madonna
Hmmm… yeah. Think you’re right.
I don’t know what the Team Happyfeet logo is, but for some reason I’m picturing a cock as the dominant visual.
Abe is picturing a cock
Often when I try pithy I simply bite on the pit Lee.
I did like the ThinkProgress piece and that picture of the Perry Two-worder.
I’m picturing you picturing a cock. Almost the same thing, but subtly different.
I’m saddened to breaking by reading the story of the young Russian woman on the phone with her mother, exclaiming that the bear was eating her: mommy, she says, it’s eating me. Fucking bears.
I already repressed that to where it’s like I never read it
omfg
I’m picturing Abe picturing ‘feets picturing a mighty fighting rooster with razor claws. And probably twenty or thirty gamblers and drunkards. Many of which look like Cheech. Because it’s sorta hard to literally picture big pictures unless you’re a frickin’ genius.
Yerp, I’ve done the same thing with the people calling home from the WTC. Fucking Muzzies.
Bears don’t give a shit. Get into an Asian dividend payer.
that’s one reason why i like the packards. that and chitown is filled with worthless commies. ax mayor rahm.>?
“Many of which look like Cheech.”
they’re hoping for rick perry dreams and the nafta superhighway
Rove told you to say that, didn’t he, nr?
Brown bears suck. They’re just furry land sharks, only, much harder to kill with small bullets.
i blame mr. liddy
Another thing I didn’t mention earlier is that I very much doubt that Perry actually cut spending. Has this ever actually happened in the modern era?
If any state budget was less than the year before someone should point it out to me.
‘Cause, I don’t know that it has happened. Doubtful.
(Again, not just for him. For any of them.)
Amen, bh. First pol to actually do that will be assassinated by some PEU member.
Wanna watch a flatfish flop around on deck? Flounder.
Count me an unbeliever (of this: “Americans still overwhelmingly like the guy.”).
Perry will just have to do
Crazy, isn’t it, JD? To make a pitch: if this is to always be so, let’s make a play for growth and deregulation. Something has to keep us competitive.
We’re just fucked otherwise. Even by our own fiscal plans.
Seconded, sdferr. We’ve been on the same page here for awhile.
i like w impersonators from texas what their pikachu tee shirts. sagebrushbillies he ha.
Perry if elected would likely be Bush III – he’d spend like a drunken sailor but no one would care because we’d probably be at war with Iran or Syria. Fiscal conservatives would be told to get in line because if you’re not with Perry, you’re with the Ayatollah. Sure, he might endorse some token cuts when it comes to social spending but every dollar he’d cut would be matched by ten new dollars in defense spending. Not exaclty a path to debt reduction methinks. We were burned once by Bush. In his own words, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice – you – you can’t get fooled again! Are we about to get fooled again?
I don’t understand Mr. newrouter Team R has been busy busy assembling an impressive assortment of midgets and then hello here’s Mr. Perry with a substantive record and a very apt sense of what this election is about
done and done
could we have done better?
Hell yeah.
Are we likely to at this point?
Nope.
Consider the wise words of Elfie.
What does the moby troll recommend to us?
Remember, this has been a valuable data point in the past. Does it remain so?
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There’s an elephant hiding in #120 but I agree. (This is where you should not say something negative about Palin, ‘feets.)
Palin won’t necessarily run. This isn’t a sure thing. Beating other candidates down isn’t necessarily in her interests if those interests never materialize. Nor in ours.
Enough with this. She jumps in? She gains some support. If she doesn’t, give the remaining candidates a hard time and then endorse the last remaining hard right option.
I just think the 2 years vs. 10 with all else being equal would probably be dispositive.
And yes I think other things too.
If Palin was even still thinking about running, the prospect of getting one of Rick Perry’s cowboy boots lodged in her behind probably frightened her off. She has no chance now and knows it.
bh,
Seems elfie is not the only Moby:
“I just think the 2 years vs. 10 with all else being equal would probably be dispositive.”
what did mr. perry do in his 10 years<?
“She has no chance now and knows it.”
thank you sterling gay: super ijiot
A moderate candidate like former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman, whom Obama appointed as ambassador to China, would be harder to fight for the Obama campaign
Huntsman disgusts me probably more than any other Team R candidate I can think of in history except for Meghan’s coward daddy and he’s not running again probably.
Plus, Palin has a vagina. Ick. Vaginas should be seen and not heard.
I’ve been of the mind for some time that she was waiting to see whether Perry would run. I still thinks that could be the case, though it doesn’t behoove her to rush right out and say so.
If my guess is right, she endorses him.
I thinks, I does! I drinks too!
mr. huntsman is playing “i hate glenn beck daddy card”. spoiled brat. though fresh brats are good. h/t bh
I hope she runs Mr. Pablo but it looks very very unlikely
She’s been vetted. And probably doesn’t endorse free rides for illegals.
no ms. sarah luvs some competition. mr. rick is more fun to run against than mittens. or michele with 1 l.
By that metric, he’d have to be Bush IV, because Obama is Bush III, despite the fact that he’s a Kennedy. You know we’re at war for oil with Libya, and we were lied into it, right?
Me too, Pablo. I mean drinks that is…But I’m not sure she endorses Perry. However, this empty beer bottle(s) at my side would be a better president than bumbles.
She likes Perry, though. And she gone on repeatedly about her decision being based on whether the right person was running, an “I’ll run if I must.” sort of deal, which leads one to wonder who that person that would satisfy her idea of the right person is. I came up with Perry, a while back.
She still likes Maverick too. She ain’t perfect, nope.
I wonder who Palin endorses… that could really be a gamechanger cause everyone would be like hey let’s vote for this person here cause Sarah says they’re the best
The blog ate my “has”. I swear it. And I was gonna farm with it. Pigford me, Goldstein!
Racist.
I think we need to kind of toss around the idea of a modern pol actually putting into writing, and then arguing for, a budget that was prepared with substantive, real budget cuts. Im thinking 30%, but that’s just a number; could be 25% or 38%, dunno.
Because the entire system, all the rewards and reinforcements, are 100% skewed towards redirecting the cash between the politically favorable holes (Pentagon, Dept. of Ed….) and a Pol who tries to shrink that is looking at major fallout on a sustained basis. You cut the Pentagon and the brass (and the corporations that feed off that honeypot) bring up some ugly and painful truths; Can you imagine if a POTUS would say, “We muffed up in Afghanistan–thousands dead and wounded, dozens of billions spent and we’re still at square one. We’re going to just pull out since we’re getting nothing done.”
The Dept. of Ed or infrastructure grant cuts have their own sob sister constitunecies. There is no nice way of saying that it is fruitless trying to educate the vast swaths of the US that doesn’t want to embrace learning; think about even rationalizing colleges down to a narrow humanities core and hard sciences, cutting out (or deeply) most everything else. Don’t even think of the MSM–Hell, even GWB got some respect after 9/11 (for a day or two, at least.) You’re looking at 4 years of prolonged war and hate.
The bottom line is that the POTUS that proposes this–without my snark–will have unyielding enemies on the Left and very few friends on the Right. Cutting budgets is great until Sen. Lieberman sends some back door messages that he thinks the Pentagon could use another 30-50 Sikorsky choppers (United Technologies) and a few more subs (Electric Boat-General Dynamics) before he can start considering the bill.
Then multiply him times 50.
So It’s smarter to bet that we’ll be on the cusp of single A rating before real budget cuts–across the budgetary spectrum–have a chance of viability. That’s best case.
Outlaw.
OI, I’ve got some schmutz on the bottom of my shoe that would make the markets happier.
I’ve been of the mind for some time that she was waiting to see whether Perry would run.
She’d still get some percentage in the write in vote, unless the spell is somehow broken. Clearly happyfeet’s relentless deployment of an eye of next, anal wart and annoyance cocktail ain’t doing the trick.
remember: we don’t have to pick yet. Right now I’m with Bachmann. Perry looks a bit more hat than cattle, from what I’ve seen. That sells well, but I prefer beef with my beef.
That should have been eye of newt, not eye of next. My subconscious despises Newt, just like my conscious does.
I should note, in a completely unrelated vein, I am simply blown away by the University of Miami allegations.
Not that it happened–I have a kid at Auburn and one at Tennessee, so I am well versed in how colleges shift shapes morally to recruit kids–I am just astounded that a Ponzi schemer nebbish was balling with ho’s, yachts and coaches and no one, NO ONE, said, “Ummmm….”
Abe, I am glad we have moved past Happyfeet’s cock.
Fuck off, elfie. When we want your opinion, we will kick you in the teeth.
i think ms. sarah knows that 2016 ain’t doing it as far as this fail sh*t country goes.
my goodness you ones are a cheeky lot
Well, Roddy, from what time I’ve spent in Miami, most of the wealth down there seems to be of exactly that variety. If it wouldn’t seem suspicious somewhere, Miami would be the place.
Spending is taxing. Simple as that. Make that case and the cuts will follow.
mr. newt is impressive with his verbosity. i hope that he finds hawaii to his liking.
mr. frank was rather cheeky lately on msnbc.
I like Bachmann. But she has to stop doing dumb shit, like now. And I’m not sure she’s ready for the shitstorm that awaits her if she grabs the nomination. I’m not sure how a Bachmann/Obama debate is going to go. She has the right ideas, and she has the talking points down but I see The One talking his way around her without much difficulty.
She makes me fret. I’ll vote for her, you betcha! But I don’t know about everybody else.
Bachmann needs to stop doing dumb shit about ten years ago. Also she needs a manlier man on her arm than Chubby Twinklefairy. I never thought that I would care who the first First Dude is in our history, but I really don’t want that title to go to Butterchubs Bachmann.
Bachmann has problems of her own. She does.
To the degree that she’s better? To the same degree that she’s hasn’t been a governor for 10 years.
Hold power and you get dirty.
Oh come now Sterling. There isn’t anyone here who couldn’t beat the everloving shit out of you. Including the chicks. And happyfeet. Spare us your essay on manliness.
“but I really don’t want that title to go to Butterchubs Bachmann.”
you be faggot
Thought experiment: Bachmann is governor of Minnesota, does she reject ethanol?
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so the leftards are anti the gay now. they be faggots and queers.
Thought experiment: Bachmann is governor of Minnesota, does she reject ethanol?
That pretty much sums up my problem with a lot of people around here. What matters is that, slowly but surely, the center of gravity among the Republican electorate is shifting towards an unwillingness among people to accept Democrat-lite governance. It’s really stupid – or in the very least intellectually juvenile – to expect purity rather than focusing one’s energy on the most compatible person who is electable at this point, and then being willing to keep your boots on his or her neck. It’ll take a few election cycles before the scum is cleared out, but less time than that for them all to feel the heat.
NR, proglodytes are only anti the Republican gay. And also anti any Republican they can accuse of being gay.
The hilarious thing is they think anybody cares what they think.
none of the global warming pansies are doing well at all except for the JC Penney catalog model guy
“unwillingness among people to accept Democrat-lite governance. ”
i hear folks are big on compromise these days. especially the weakly standard crew.
Ew. I wiped my ass with his face. Now I have to go wash my ass.
168 was for 166.
The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.
Personally, I feel like it’s already too late, and whoever is elected in 2012, government will continue to grow until the host is dead.
It’s already too big, with too much momentum. We’re hoping somehow, someway, a new president can stop the train wreck, but the train is going 90mph and the track ends in a 1000 yards. Thomas Jefferson hisself couldn’t do much more than tell us to brace for impact.
It’s too bad about the kids…
Roberta Flack – Killing Me Softly
ms. lieberman wrote the song
her version
Killing Me Softly with His Song – Lori_Lieberman
We may as well link the version of the song I remember then.
You’re killing me softly, newrouter. I’m kind of pissed off as it is that I missed one of my favorite new bands tonight – stupid lost his ID (again) last week and getting a replacement is such a pain in the ass – without the double dose of melancholy poop.
Theft as policy.
So we’re to take the idea that the government itself and its functionaries ought to go to jail, but won’t, ever, as a commonplace, a daily encounter. Killing time draws nigh.
“Hello citizen.”
“What is the purpose of your trip?”
“I sense hostility, please step over to this room where we can continue this pleasant discussion once you have removed all your clothes.”
And? I’m not supporting someone because of his or her electability. We can discuss that once the GOP primaries are over and we have a candidate.
I don’t.
The guy is a carny con artist. People are starting to recognize that what he says is intentionally vague and devoid of specifics.
Everybody keeps saying that while they totally ignore Herman Cain.
None of this is going to matter, any way:
We are going to get nuked from space eventually, and we probably deserve it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/18/aliens-destroy-humanity-protect-civilisations
B. Moe, that’s almost the plot line of that crappy 2008 remake of “The Day the Earth Stood Still“.
A timeline…
1951: “The Day the Earth Stood Still“, a most excellent movie, is released.
1969: The United States puts a man on the moon and returns him safely to Earth.
2000: Al Gore, failed politician, seeks a new ‘job title’; begins to tout ‘Global Warming’.
2008: Barack Obama, a known Socialist, is elected President of the USA.
2008: Shitty remake of “The Day the Earth Stood Still“, with Keanu Reeves playing a space alien who threatens to destroy humanity because of Global Warming.
2009: Barack Obama, in order to fund more dirty socialisms, zeros the Space Shuttle.
2010: Barack Hussein Obama kills NASA’s planned moon-return mission; tells NASA it’s mission is to help Muslims ‘feel better’ about themselves.
2011: Space Shuttle Atlantis makes the final Space Shuttle mission. Barack Obama zeros out the Space Shuttle and any future manned space missions during his watch; killing the US’s ambitions and 10,000 NASA jobs.
2011: NASA goes bugfuck crazy; NASA scientists accept this ‘SCIENCE!’ that strongly resembles 2008’s The Day the Earth Stood Still. …
Yeah, I saw that early this morning too.
I don’t know if anyone gets Todd Schnit’s show out of Tampa but he had a caller yesterday, from Texas, who claimed there was going to be stories coming out about “coke fueled orgies” involving Perry and staff. The guy admitted he was a Ron Paul supporter, so take it with a grain of salt.
Didn’t George Bush once kill a guy with a motor vehicle whilst driving drunk, or was that his wife or daughter? All these leftist attacks start to run together after a while.
Paulist’s tactics now, Just make it up.
Hey BMoe,
This was foretold by Krugman. “If we discovered that space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a massive buildup to counter the space alien threat then Obama would jump into his F-16 and shoot down the alien mothership while it’s crippled by a virus from Al Gore’s iPod.”
Only half of that sentence is fake.
It appeared to be fake but accurate to me, LMC.
I am having enough trouble planning for trust fund anarchists and hippies in Chicago this coming year (as well as helping another group head out to Afghanistan)… can we leave the aliens out in space or in the fevered imaginations of Kruggie and the NASA consultants? Please?!!
Oh, and if it comes from Luap Nor and the rest of the Ronulan fleet, color me quite unimpressed.
Laura Bush was the one who killed someone in an auto accident. She was never charged. I’m more curious about the girl that Bushie supposedly knocked up when he was a young buck. Where is the missing Bush heir?
Alien invasion scared me way more than the Russkies or even Godzilla as a youngster. But that was before I knew about the power of Slim Whitman records.
DId sterling aka elfie aka effeminate poofter what draws pictures of fantasy character pron really question somebody else’s masculinity?
Murfreesboro, maybe?
A graveyard shift wastewater treatment tech whose life’s ambition is to whack off to homemade anlme pron and who yearns to give Yelverton a reach around questioning someone else’s masculinity and sexuality is so far beyond parody that it defies description.
So what is the [R] strategy?
Obama’s Alterboy lays out a [D] one.
If such a “paper” exists then Boehner should release it, especially if it is the type of thing I would suspect it to be, bafflegab.
Was Laura Bush the one who drove her car off a bridge and walked away from the scene and let her date drown because she was afraid of what the evidence might do to her political career?
Regarding the “NASA” article, I’d like to note that the authors are a Geography PhD candidate from Penn State, a Meteorology/Astrobiology postdoc (read: full-on glowball warmenist) from PSU, and a research associate at the U of Washington. I feel it important to make this distinction, because my degree is from the PSU Physics department, which has no relationship with these quacks. Thank you.
Alter is a master of strategery. I’m thinking that anything grand Obama proposes henceforth – in a shitty economy that he has had stewardship of for three years now – should be greeted with a more elegant formulation of “now you know what the hell you’re doing? Don’t think so. It’s just another bad idea from your bag of stupid.”
There are all kinds of cowboys.
I’m glad someone else is the corporatist kind.
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2012, the coming Love-war. Tough vs Smothering.
this is for reals interesting and sad especially if you are a new york person
Government by Authority is evil, but common.
This is the sort of dumb shit Bachmann needs to stop doing.
Bachmann: Americans Worried About “Rise of Soviet Union”
It’s become a pattern is what the problem is.
Crossing that bridge is hellish. The winds are so strong that it used to make my buddy’s SUV feel like a small plane in turbulence. I always assumed they built it where they did because the Palisades cliffs are directly South of it.
Pablo, if Maxine Jackson McKinney can be worried about a restoration of slavery in the U.S., why can’t white people be worried about the Soviet Union coming back?
I dunno, Pablo, that one seems like small potatoes to me. For a lot of people growing up in the Cold War, “Russkie” and “Soviet” were pretty much interchangeable. Old habits are hard to break.
Besides, are we assuming that a resurgent Russian empire wouldn’t reclaim the buffer countries?
I don’t know about the rise of the Soviet Union, but I read somewhere Gorbachev was demanding Putin step down, so maybe he’s worried about it.
Plus, you know, we got a commie in the whiter house now, and that’s a little troubling…
Ah, here we go:
They’re not running for President, McGehee.
Squid, being concerned with the Russians is fine. Being concerned with the Soviet Union is stupid. If this were a one-off, I’d let it slide. It isn’t. It’s a pattern.
Ed Rollins needs his ass kicked. Are you fucking kidding me, Ed?
The mere presence of Ed Rollins is enough to give me the willies.
Ed Rollins celebrates snow leopards
yay leopards! go leopards!
also his wife broked her foot or something
i saw something nasty in the woodshed
careful careful Mr. buttons when you stare into the woodshed the woodshed stares back into you
careful- naw-
i’m gonna sell the farm- get all gussied up
buy a euro-rail pass
wink at the mona lisa
start a street hockey leauge in kurdistan?
now i’m getting ahead of myself but i believe lil soccer third world players
deserve hockey sticks to slash-butt-end-and trip their lil buddies
in futbol
call me a dreamer