I watched Bret Baier discussing the debate beforehand. He seems to think that the function of the questioners is to get the candidates off their talking points, and to do that they need to try to frame their questions in a way that leads the candidates to attack each other. It’s the gotcha school of journalism. I think I know these candidates but I want to hear them articulate their platforms. Are those talking points? Let’s see who can most effectively attack Barack Obama and sell fiscal discipline.
For example, if you said that Barack Obama is a lying socialist, and then convincingly explained that that was descriptive and not pejorative, I’d vote for you if you had eyes like this, or were Mitt Romney.
what i don’t like talk about the ss/medicare entitlement clusterf**k is that obscures debate about shutting down most of the cabinet positions. i think debating about shutting down these fiefdoms that discourage growth in the economy would be an easier win.
we do need mitch he would be an awesome president he has gobs of mitch-appeal
perry bless his heart needs to understand that in america we don’t elect spiritual leaders and pimping jesus out in a sports stadium for political gain is just all kinds of tacky
Strike Paul, Romney and Huntsman for being The Idiot and couple plutocratic squishes. Gingrich is superfluous as well, as being well past his expiration date. Pawlenty? on his last legs, might be a bit of volatility. Cain and Bachmann are the spark plugs, hopefully to set Romney’s ass afire. Santorum matters…why?
pimping jesus out in a sports stadium for political gain
You’re still impervious to years of what JG’s been exposing, feets? Man, get a hire writing for Time or something cause you got that intentionalism thing down pat.
I wouldn’t cry I would say oh my goodness look everybody it’s Jesus! And then we would all go to heaven and my mom will be there and my wuppy pogs and grandma and we then would all have fondu and then we’d be sleepy and the wuppers would sleep at the foot of my bed and it would be like the best day ever.
Secret word(s)? ‘Broke’, or ‘Downgrade’ or (I wish) ‘Moocher’, ‘Socialist’, ‘Failed Administration’. If I hear any of those, I’m breaking out the good stuff.
no Mr. Howard what Perry did was tacky and gross… I accidentally clickered on a youtube of it. I wish I hadn’t. what perry engaged in was a tawdrification and cheapening of christianity … now when he talks he doesn’t sound like W he sounds like Pat Robertson
Heaven would freak me out what with all them people around that I know for a fact are dead smiling and saying ‘hey nice weather’ and all. Worse heebee-jeebees than having fondue. Fondue with dead people is all kinds of wrong.
If ONE of these guys went even a little bit reformist and promote stripping DC back toward the bone instead of promoting another Big Plan, I’d kiss the SOB.
Likewise if ONE of these guys uttered the words “classical liberal” — which would blow little moderator man’s network-sized cognitive organ as a bonus — then we’d have something.
Huntsman “has been described as ‘a conservative technocrat-optimist with moderate positions'” according to the Wikipedia article on his presidential campaign.
Sad that this is what informs presidential elections. Stock answers and platitudes. Corruption in DC is halfway around the world while the average voter is putting on his shoes.
wuzzlefraskinmuzzffrras hmm? OK now awake with the soy chai latte. Still not understanding nothing mostly because not watching. I’m reading books on the English Civil Wars because thats the future baby. Jeff is all Scottish Covenanter IMHO
we need to have all these losers stand in line and then we can slap them all with frozen sammins across their stupid underwhelming unpresidential faces
perry is smart not to be eager to stand in line with these abysmally failshit fuckmonkeys I think
Looked at the various tweeterings and it looks like the Newt that showed up this time did OK. Too bad it’ll be another Newt next week. Anyway, nobody will ever vote for anybody named Newt or Mitt or Pawlenty ’cause that just sounds weird anyhow. I saw the Bachmann thing went over OK too I’m just thinking the Hahvahd crowd will freeze her out because you know, Liberty University and all, which is lesser even than any given State college in their eyes. I figure I’ll just wait until tomorrow to see how I should think about it all since its just Iowa.
Oh and Ron Paul sounds like a nattering old woman so probably the cleaning lady in the White House would prank the Russians on the Red Phone in the Situation Room when he’s not looking and hilarity would ensue.
1) Romney helped himself, between this debate and taking on the Dem plants earlier. He’s slick and polished, and that came across.
2) Bachmann proved she’s unflappable. It’s easy to call her defensive, but one is often defensive if one is the target of attacks. Her first answer seemed forced. Thereafter I think she did well.
3) Gingrich scored well. If any of us could trust him, he’d make almost an ideal candidate. I’m not sure we can, however. But he was very comfortable up there tonight, and showed an ease of command that didn’t seem staged or strained.
4) Cain and Santorum both showed well. I realize Santorum is not everyone’s cup of tea (and lord knows I’ve had my fun with him over the years); but he cares, and he’s very strong on principle, which is refreshing. For his part, Cain, when given the opportunity, showed dexterity and some real insights into economic recovery.
5) Ron Paul needs his supporters to stop trying to create reality. Real reality is, Paul is right on many fiscal issues, but he’s buffoonish on nearly everything else. And what’s worse, he’s incoherent. Which means people have to work to find out just how buffoonish he is.
6) Pawlenty is trying too hard. And he picked the wrong target in Bachmann. Had he settled on attacking Romney and Huntsman, he’d have scored better. As it is, he didn’t do himself any favors. He’s trying too hard on the politics and image. Which is unfortunate, because I think he brings a lot to the table.
7) Huntsman backed Boehner, and spoke of avoiding a “default.” Why is he in the race again?
As I’ve said, I’m not a huge fan of Michelle Bachmann. But I’m not a huge fan of ANYONE whose hat is currently in the ring; I’d have to read up on Perry to know whether I like him more than anyone else currently in the running. I like Chris Christie a lot but he’s not in the mix. I don’t like him so much because he’s a likeable guy as that he’s serious about the job; he’s not politicking for the sake of winning as much as doing it because that’s what it takes to get things done that he sees a need for. But that’s a discussion for another time.
Michelle Bachmann doesn’t strike me as being any worse than the Sparkle Motion mom from Donnie Darko: ernest; a true believer, but averse to certain lines of thought. She has her priorities mostly in line with my own, but I can’t help but suspect that she’s all about a Christian state, at some level. And I’d prefer to keep religion out of state just as much as I’d prefer to keep the state out of religion. I see those as two halfs of a whole; you have to do both.
But I don’t have any objection to her having a strong sense of morality. I think that’s far preferable to rejection of the idea that any morals are better than any others.
The problem I have with all of the ridicule is pretty much this: the same people who make fun of Bachmann and Palin for their lack of smarts were all over intellectual flyweights like John Kerry and John Edwards and freaking bullshit artist Al Gore as the supergeniuses we really needed to have in the White House. One of the major differences there is that I don’t harbor any illusions that the ability to speak some kind of polished politicalese is in any way indicative of depth behind the thin veneer of appearance. I think Bachmann and Palin are actually preferable for reasons other than policy: they’re pretty much exactly who they appear to be.
In not many more years, the Berlin Wall will have been torn down longer than it was up. Which becomes a problem when people forget that that particular experiment in all-pervasive nanny-state really wasn’t a huge, blinding success; some Berliners still look back on nostalgia for a time when the state provided all, for whatever reason. And some people here in America look forward to a time when America will become that all-provider, averting their gaze from the condition of our economy to provide even brief levels of support.
It won’t work. It can’t work. Our compatriots on the left side of the aisle have bamboozled themselves and their constituents into believing that, hey, we can still spend ourselves out of this hole.
Stop digging. Stop fucking digging. When absolutely everyone outside of the leftist political machine is saying hey, man, maybe you should consider laying off making that hole deeper for a while, maybe a fucking clue might be in the offing. When there are riots in England because some perfectly able-bodied people are about to lose their entitlements, and not one person who regularly votes D sees any application of that lesson to OUR country, I have to seriously question their judgement.
And don’t fucking get me started on Italy. Their political class makes ours look like pikers. But we’re fast headed in that direction.
In not many more years, the Berlin Wall will have been torn down longer than it was up.
That tiny little pop! you just heard was my mind being blown. It’s a little harder for me to come to grips with this fact because the Wall went up the same year I was born, but that means it was only up for 28 years — and it’s been 22 since it came down.
Holy shit. I’m going to go sit in a corner and just look at my hand. I mean really look at it. Whoa.
the best moment of the debate was when Newt said that the super committee was the dumbest idea ever… I think he understands in his pompous slutty newty newt head that the Team R candidate what has to go into an election with the proven failed leadership of McConnellwhore and Boehnerfag in tow is at a very real disadvantage… these two need to resign quick like a bunny and let people more of this era step up
I haven’t read the thread yet, did watch the debate — quick thoughts
Romney – did better then last time, still too squish. Great experience as business guy but government is NOT business’s partner
Cain – like him, just not catching fire
Pawlenty – He might have a great record but … meh
Bachmann – Solid, but no homeruns this time
Paul – Mr. Crazy showed up.
Santorum – The D lister tried too hard, comes off as too eager a politician
Huntsman – Noise, no fire
Gingrich – Did the best of the lot last night. Being irrelevant made him throw caution to the wind and say things that needed to be said. Spot on about “Super Committee” and confronting “gotcha” questions.
The Berlin Wall (German: Berliner Mauer) was a barrier constructed by the German Democratic Republic (GDR, East Germany) starting on 13 August 1961, that completely cut off West Berlin from surrounding East Germany and from East Berlin.
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these are not candidates what evoke enthusiasm
Team R needs to try harder to show that they understand the import of this whole “2012 presidential election” thing
I watched Bret Baier discussing the debate beforehand. He seems to think that the function of the questioners is to get the candidates off their talking points, and to do that they need to try to frame their questions in a way that leads the candidates to attack each other. It’s the gotcha school of journalism. I think I know these candidates but I want to hear them articulate their platforms. Are those talking points? Let’s see who can most effectively attack Barack Obama and sell fiscal discipline.
“these are not candidates what evoke enthusiasm ”
yea i’m longing for a maverick too
For example, if you said that Barack Obama is a lying socialist, and then convincingly explained that that was descriptive and not pejorative, I’d vote for you if you had eyes like this, or were Mitt Romney.
Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich in particular should skip the debate and go have tasty hatch chili umami burgers with smushed taters and cake monkey!
And then they can gaze deeply into each other’s eyes and talk about the 80s and stuff.
What we need is a guy whose wife won’t let him run, and he’s cool with that. Plus, Christians should shut up.
what i don’t like talk about the ss/medicare entitlement clusterf**k is that obscures debate about shutting down most of the cabinet positions. i think debating about shutting down these fiefdoms that discourage growth in the economy would be an easier win.
we do need mitch he would be an awesome president he has gobs of mitch-appeal
perry bless his heart needs to understand that in america we don’t elect spiritual leaders and pimping jesus out in a sports stadium for political gain is just all kinds of tacky
“we don’t elect spiritual leaders and pimping jesus out in a sports stadium for political gain is just all kinds of tacky”
ask baracky about that stadium thingy. i luv the styrofoam pillars by the way.
Strike Paul, Romney and Huntsman for being The Idiot and couple plutocratic squishes. Gingrich is superfluous as well, as being well past his expiration date. Pawlenty? on his last legs, might be a bit of volatility. Cain and Bachmann are the spark plugs, hopefully to set Romney’s ass afire. Santorum matters…why?
So what’s the Secret Word in this one?
If there ever is a Second Coming of Jesus, I fear HF may cry.
“we don’t elect spiritual leaders and pimping jesus out”
marx yes
He’s a turtle. He’ll be s hell ed.
You’re still impervious to years of what JG’s been exposing, feets? Man, get a hire writing for Time or something cause you got that intentionalism thing down pat.
I wouldn’t cry I would say oh my goodness look everybody it’s Jesus! And then we would all go to heaven and my mom will be there and my wuppy pogs and grandma and we then would all have fondu and then we’d be sleepy and the wuppers would sleep at the foot of my bed and it would be like the best day ever.
Secret word(s)? ‘Broke’, or ‘Downgrade’ or (I wish) ‘Moocher’, ‘Socialist’, ‘Failed Administration’. If I hear any of those, I’m breaking out the good stuff.
If any of these candidates are as volatile as ‘feets, we’ll be getting our money’s worth.
“look everybody it’s Jesus!”
i like jesus he was positive about life unlike algore
no Mr. Howard what Perry did was tacky and gross… I accidentally clickered on a youtube of it. I wish I hadn’t. what perry engaged in was a tawdrification and cheapening of christianity … now when he talks he doesn’t sound like W he sounds like Pat Robertson
Fox has a live chat line going with their net video feed.
That reminds me.
Paulie almost played Hie, Hie, Hie, the other night at Wrigley.
“now when he talks he doesn’t sound like W”
mr.w sucks compassionate conservative bobblehead.
mr. w is a great man with kind eyes and a ready smile
and babs bush wears army boots
mr.w. reads “my pet goat” each night then scratches his arse
Heaven would freak me out what with all them people around that I know for a fact are dead smiling and saying ‘hey nice weather’ and all. Worse heebee-jeebees than having fondue. Fondue with dead people is all kinds of wrong.
I’m not even going to dignify your flippant remark about the army boots with a comment
urthshu you have been goned away but you are here now
here is the link for the debate oh boy it’s starting
people booed gingrich cause he sucks is why
The Paulians are swamping the Fox live chat.
the guy hosting the debate is extremely well-embalmed
bachmann has a nice suit on it looks expensive
ickle romneykins remembered 7 whole things in his head
he’s so awesome
ickle romeykins michele will be needing her crazy eyes back okthx
oh my mittens joke
Our lovely religion of State?
no whammy no whammy
reVOlution
i wanna get high with that dude
Fucking PaulBots make me ill.
Mr. cain has nice ideas about taxings
Sorry, I don’t see it, feets, and I watched the AlJeezera clip..
I feel quite certain of it Mr. Howard
Newt is just the dumbest genius.
If Jesus were to return, I’d suspect ‘feets would be cheering for Barabas.
You certainly do, feets.
that is not the new normal that isn’t even cheap pandering what perry did it’s a parody of cheap pandering, what perry did
mr. next played the divided gov’t card
prizes!
I would totally buy a used car from this santorum guy
in a heartbeat
If ONE of these guys went even a little bit reformist and promote stripping DC back toward the bone instead of promoting another Big Plan, I’d kiss the SOB.
if anyone’s a stripper it’s Bachmann
miss michele just twisted the knife
Likewise if ONE of these guys uttered the words “classical liberal” — which would blow little moderator man’s network-sized cognitive organ as a bonus — then we’d have something.
Although Bachmann’s truly bringing it.
Pawlenty, bite me.
Chris Wallace Q#1 – let’s start the bitch-slapping.
Chris Wallace Q#2 – You are a evil capitalist, no?
Did Romney just offer Cain the VP spot ?
she
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stripper
I can tell who’s winning the debate by watching which candidates HF complains about.
Except Mildred Romneycare. I’m fairly confident HF and I agree about Teh Mildred.
2 words, candidates. Common enemy.
“if anyone’s a stripper it’s Bachmann”
took the clothes off of timpaw
I’d be very interested to know what Herman had to say to that, if true.
I suppose I could be watching, but I don’t watch political debates anymore. Not enough swordplay.
Newt says put aside the gotcha questions
Oh-ho, Newt scores.
Whoo, Newt goes after Wallace hard. And Wallace gets booed.
newty took the wallace to the woodshed
Wallace or Oprah. You decide.
Ok who is Pat Cadell? And how old is he? scaring me a little bit.
I don’t care about what kind of campaign these idiots run.
Lean Six Sigma is bullshit, makes no difference in manufacturing. Too bad people with actual knowledge and skills don’t make policy.
mr. huntsman makes me yawn
Huntsman, bite me, you swish.
That’s a tossup JHo.
wallace
was
another
one
huntsman is presidential like my other car is a porsche
mr. huntsman still makes me yawn
Huntsman recites well.
Okay, HF and I also agree about
MobyHuntsman.mittens luvs some h1-b visas from india
I really like Cain
I really a lot adore h1-b visas to our h1-b worker friends I say welcome!
Huntsman “has been described as ‘a conservative technocrat-optimist with moderate positions'” according to the Wikipedia article on his presidential campaign.
Seems legit.
I wonder if Rand watches these things sober
ronPAul noW
ron paul shut up ugh
sounds like Romney should run for governor he’d really found his niche or something
Sad that this is what informs presidential elections. Stock answers and platitudes. Corruption in DC is halfway around the world while the average voter is putting on his shoes.
I think “Burn Notice” is on. Not much swordplay there either, but the chick likes her some C-4. Later, y’all.
you could eat dinner off Pawlenty’s eyelids
but that would be weird
Sorry to hear about your myopia, FixIt.
@83 + @86 lol
No, don’t cancel the vacation! The economy will never make it.
i like michele’s voice it’s very relaxing probably cause I grewed up in Minnesota when I was widdle til I was maybe 5 or whatever
timpaw swings and misses michele
Santorum’s family must be there.
What sucks is that Huntsman Sr. is everything everyone ought to want to be. I suspect he married wrong and parented poorly.
look at rick rocking the 80s polka dot tie
you can tell he enjoys a good nostalgia jag
Don’t take the bullshit hypothetical, 10:1 cuts.
newt newt newt
newt is right they should pass a law saying that the super committee is hopelessly gay
i cringe
at the birth
of the routerfoot
Will no one say to Baier – we have not seen a single offer of a cut yet; even the proposed decreases in increased growth are mostly fantasy.
mittens “free rider” fraud
I think I just want to hear Cain talk.
routerfoot? I’m not gonna sleep tonight.
mr. rick just attacked liberalism
Fox News analyst goes after Fox News on-line.
I did like T-Paw offering to cook dinner for anyone who can hand him Obama’s plan.
Fox online panel, including Caddell, says Newt is reborn.
Bachmann’s late coming back? Probably got lost. Chicks man.
huntsman would be a good undertaker like dingy harry
these people are underwhelming my favorite is perry still and he’s a grotesquely pandering squack what evokes pat robertson
why is Bret wearing so much makeup!!
newt bitched slapped the fag bret
huntsman should be selling $19.95 things late at night
dr moe dr larry dr paul
Bret is all dolled up like he’s got a hot date
And this is why Ron Paul is a non-starter.
Rick is having a feeling-moment
the face of reVOLution needs a depends
oh noes the rule of paul
dr paul needs a straight jacket
bret’s orange pancake tranny makeup is distracting me. shut up romney. sigh.
wuzzlefraskinmuzzffrras hmm? OK now awake with the soy chai latte. Still not understanding nothing mostly because not watching. I’m reading books on the English Civil Wars because thats the future baby. Jeff is all Scottish Covenanter IMHO
we need to have all these losers stand in line and then we can slap them all with frozen sammins across their stupid underwhelming unpresidential faces
perry is smart not to be eager to stand in line with these abysmally failshit fuckmonkeys I think
cain is busted on his bigotry ouch
now they’re calling out the submissive chick
Love how all the bullshit Tough Questions diminish an already self-diminished set of candidates. Screw you Byron, you pinhead.
Bret’s put on a lot of weight too. That’s why his eyes look so much smaller. he looks like a pumpkin now and he used to be so cute.
Somebody shove his teeth down his throat.
wow michele is very impressive
oh goody fag marriage
Screw this. Perry and Palin are smart not to get into this crap too early.
You’d be more useful if you had half as much issue with these questions as you think you do with the candidates, feets.
Hmmm….
wow mitt wants to write his bigotry into the constitution he looked very excited about it
huntsman shots misses
michele handled the submissive question extremely well and didn’t seem a bit rehearsed
she’s still an obnoxious retrograde bigot and all
“wow mitt wants to write his bigotry”
can you mix it up a bit say racist sometimes?
These aren’t issues, these are diversions.
The issue is government intrusion, the one thing not raised here.
Mr. Howard this debate is just for entertainment purposes it’s not for reals
Maybe her gay husband could tell her to stop that.
Or start another program, Pablo.
no mormon underwear questions?
Santorum your google problem is showing
I think she might divorce him over that, JHo.
Heh, router…
can’t they just all do the happy fetus dance at the end like on the dating game
blah blah blah
They do, feets. Out by the dumpster.
Oh sorry; wrong group.
Yes, let’s let this scumbag define America! It’s not exactly tacky, right?
huntsman looks like a random ambassador on star trek
It gets better when your deviant ass dies, Dan. Or, not. Exciting, isn’t it?
Romney: In a single-party system, the President needs to get the economy going again. Starting with another pull on the unemployment insurance handle.
Brilliant.
“Santorum your google problem is showing”
thank you fag-commie community
Huntsman is a wuss but he is right about bringing manufacturing jobs back home
that dan savage sure is polemical
Huntsman is leeching on his father’s success. I’m not buying it.
And there you are pimping his hateful, disgusting nonsense. Yay!
bigger dividends aren’t a handful of shit exactly
For tolerance, of course.
Feets is listening to lounge in the dark and writing comments with speech recognition.
C’mon, Newt, bring it on the Fed.
and I’m getting bored
the yippy little ferret man is on my nerves
And Paul.
Ron Paul is making me love him again. One of us is schizo, and I’m pretty sure it’s him.
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latin?
happyfetus.
Bumble’s failshit little country floating down the river belly-up and stinking of bad money is on my nerves. But whatever.
that too Mr. Howard
I’m a one-issue voter and I’ll vote Paul for it.
huntsman goes bonerfag
huntsman is a bobblehead what came to life and hopped off of somebody’s dash and he’s hungry for blood and pop tarts
a poet once said something about a flatheaded parched crippled midget baby
Huntsman: We need government to run government schools. Nice.
did mitt just smack his lips?
mostly pop tarts. mr. paul has a future on short wave radio.
now Pawlenty has to sneak that suit back into dad’s closet
Nite kids. Enjoy that mad fake money!
good night Mr. Howard
Rand is the future, JHo. Ron has done his bit.
romney is a frontrunner like chips ahoy are america’s second-favorite cookie
you want hair like that
sure but I would use my romney hair powers for good
Romney is the Democrat’s way of having Obama re-elected. They should promote him as much as possible.
reading the spinster old mittens the man. me what a bullshit format. fox lame and predictable.
I think people whose last name is “Savage” are automatically gay. Except Randy. But his last name was really Poffo, so maybe it works after all.
Looked at the various tweeterings and it looks like the Newt that showed up this time did OK. Too bad it’ll be another Newt next week. Anyway, nobody will ever vote for anybody named Newt or Mitt or Pawlenty ’cause that just sounds weird anyhow. I saw the Bachmann thing went over OK too I’m just thinking the Hahvahd crowd will freeze her out because you know, Liberty University and all, which is lesser even than any given State college in their eyes. I figure I’ll just wait until tomorrow to see how I should think about it all since its just Iowa.
Oh and Ron Paul sounds like a nattering old woman so probably the cleaning lady in the White House would prank the Russians on the Red Phone in the Situation Room when he’s not looking and hilarity would ensue.
fresh ‘outta the box’ parched flat-headed crippled midget
prison farm babies
#185 I thought that Huntsman was the unstoppable juggernaut that the Democrats all feared.
I heard it from a Democrat insider, so I know it’s for reals.
And they talked up Huntsman to make us think he was the stalking-donkey instead of Teh Mildred.
I don’t care who you are that’s smrat (sic) right there.
my bad you are right of course
I’m-a have to submit that to Urban Dictionary. SMRAT: “smart” Obama style.
i like watching foxnews on the intertubes. algore would be proud.
Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.
Quick impressions:
1) Romney helped himself, between this debate and taking on the Dem plants earlier. He’s slick and polished, and that came across.
2) Bachmann proved she’s unflappable. It’s easy to call her defensive, but one is often defensive if one is the target of attacks. Her first answer seemed forced. Thereafter I think she did well.
3) Gingrich scored well. If any of us could trust him, he’d make almost an ideal candidate. I’m not sure we can, however. But he was very comfortable up there tonight, and showed an ease of command that didn’t seem staged or strained.
4) Cain and Santorum both showed well. I realize Santorum is not everyone’s cup of tea (and lord knows I’ve had my fun with him over the years); but he cares, and he’s very strong on principle, which is refreshing. For his part, Cain, when given the opportunity, showed dexterity and some real insights into economic recovery.
5) Ron Paul needs his supporters to stop trying to create reality. Real reality is, Paul is right on many fiscal issues, but he’s buffoonish on nearly everything else. And what’s worse, he’s incoherent. Which means people have to work to find out just how buffoonish he is.
6) Pawlenty is trying too hard. And he picked the wrong target in Bachmann. Had he settled on attacking Romney and Huntsman, he’d have scored better. As it is, he didn’t do himself any favors. He’s trying too hard on the politics and image. Which is unfortunate, because I think he brings a lot to the table.
7) Huntsman backed Boehner, and spoke of avoiding a “default.” Why is he in the race again?
Still not terribly inspired. I like Cain alright, and Bachman. The rest give me a serious case of “Meh.”\
Mehiarrhea. But Ron Paul was the least of the group, as was expected.
As I’ve said, I’m not a huge fan of Michelle Bachmann. But I’m not a huge fan of ANYONE whose hat is currently in the ring; I’d have to read up on Perry to know whether I like him more than anyone else currently in the running. I like Chris Christie a lot but he’s not in the mix. I don’t like him so much because he’s a likeable guy as that he’s serious about the job; he’s not politicking for the sake of winning as much as doing it because that’s what it takes to get things done that he sees a need for. But that’s a discussion for another time.
Michelle Bachmann doesn’t strike me as being any worse than the Sparkle Motion mom from Donnie Darko: ernest; a true believer, but averse to certain lines of thought. She has her priorities mostly in line with my own, but I can’t help but suspect that she’s all about a Christian state, at some level. And I’d prefer to keep religion out of state just as much as I’d prefer to keep the state out of religion. I see those as two halfs of a whole; you have to do both.
But I don’t have any objection to her having a strong sense of morality. I think that’s far preferable to rejection of the idea that any morals are better than any others.
The problem I have with all of the ridicule is pretty much this: the same people who make fun of Bachmann and Palin for their lack of smarts were all over intellectual flyweights like John Kerry and John Edwards and freaking bullshit artist Al Gore as the supergeniuses we really needed to have in the White House. One of the major differences there is that I don’t harbor any illusions that the ability to speak some kind of polished politicalese is in any way indicative of depth behind the thin veneer of appearance. I think Bachmann and Palin are actually preferable for reasons other than policy: they’re pretty much exactly who they appear to be.
In not many more years, the Berlin Wall will have been torn down longer than it was up. Which becomes a problem when people forget that that particular experiment in all-pervasive nanny-state really wasn’t a huge, blinding success; some Berliners still look back on nostalgia for a time when the state provided all, for whatever reason. And some people here in America look forward to a time when America will become that all-provider, averting their gaze from the condition of our economy to provide even brief levels of support.
It won’t work. It can’t work. Our compatriots on the left side of the aisle have bamboozled themselves and their constituents into believing that, hey, we can still spend ourselves out of this hole.
Stop digging. Stop fucking digging. When absolutely everyone outside of the leftist political machine is saying hey, man, maybe you should consider laying off making that hole deeper for a while, maybe a fucking clue might be in the offing. When there are riots in England because some perfectly able-bodied people are about to lose their entitlements, and not one person who regularly votes D sees any application of that lesson to OUR country, I have to seriously question their judgement.
And don’t fucking get me started on Italy. Their political class makes ours look like pikers. But we’re fast headed in that direction.
He’s there in hopes we won’t notice that Mildred Romneycare is the one Obama really most wants to run against.
That tiny little pop! you just heard was my mind being blown. It’s a little harder for me to come to grips with this fact because the Wall went up the same year I was born, but that means it was only up for 28 years — and it’s been 22 since it came down.
Holy shit. I’m going to go sit in a corner and just look at my hand. I mean really look at it. Whoa.
Me, too. We are of an age, apparently.
Are you on drugs? Then give me some!
the best moment of the debate was when Newt said that the super committee was the dumbest idea ever… I think he understands in his pompous slutty newty newt head that the Team R candidate what has to go into an election with the proven failed leadership of McConnellwhore and Boehnerfag in tow is at a very real disadvantage… these two need to resign quick like a bunny and let people more of this era step up
I haven’t read the thread yet, did watch the debate — quick thoughts
Romney – did better then last time, still too squish. Great experience as business guy but government is NOT business’s partner
Cain – like him, just not catching fire
Pawlenty – He might have a great record but … meh
Bachmann – Solid, but no homeruns this time
Paul – Mr. Crazy showed up.
Santorum – The D lister tried too hard, comes off as too eager a politician
Huntsman – Noise, no fire
Gingrich – Did the best of the lot last night. Being irrelevant made him throw caution to the wind and say things that needed to be said. Spot on about “Super Committee” and confronting “gotcha” questions.
Get a job and buy some of your own, ya dirty hippie!
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Thanks, Slart. Just what I needed to snap me out of that.
Damn kids.
For those of you keeping score at home:
And turn that music down.