Reading between the lines of Bristol Palin’s answers to her FOXNews interviewers leaves me with the decided sense that Sarah Palin is planning a presidential run. And I hope she does — and has developed the kind of media strategy that will allow her to reach the American people without the malignant filter of the mainstream press, which includes, unfortunately, many of the more mainstream GOP pundits working today.
But you be the judge:
Having listened to those who watched her work in Alaska, where she ushered through growth legislation, ethics reform, and moved Alaska toward surplus while breaking the alliance between the oil companies and an entrenched political class doing its bidding, I’m convinced that she is exactly what the United States needs at this point in its history.
Unlike a Romney, who spent today telling a town hall crowd how he’d reach across the aisle and work with Democrats — who love the country just as much as we do [even though they don’t seem terribly fond of the Constitution; but I digress – ed] — Palin will speak to the American people as she spoke to the Alaskan people and sell her vision of a pro-growth, pro-opportunity return to first principles, and in that way compel Democrats to work with her at the behest of their constituencies, all while keeping her happy warrior game face. That is, Palin — or Bachmann, or Cain, or Santorum — will be happy to work with Democrats to accomplish an economic and fiscal turn around, but not at the expense of principle and Constitutional mandate.
In Alaska, Palin was able to get passed major pieces of legislation with enormous bi-partisan support; and until it was determined by the national Democrats and progressives that the Alaska Democrat party had better get involved with tearing her down, Palin enjoyed an approval rate of 80% — not as a high-water mark, but sustained.
That so many of our “own” have accepted the progressive narrative — or even if they don’t accept its veracity, they accept that it prior effectiveness renders Palin unrecoverable as a national political figure — is hugely dispiriting: because Palin is a political force the likes of which we haven’t seen in quite some time in the national GOP. But not only is she a threat to the left — which is why the Obama campaign went after her and let the feckless, bumbling McCain “maverick” himself to dithering, impotent defeat — she is a threat to every establishment government type whose entire life is wrapped up in how to run ours while winning themselves power and profit.
So the “uh-oh” that heads my post? That’s directed at all of them should Palin decide to run.
And I, for one, will work tirelessly and with a tenacity many on the left can’t imagine to get her elected — as I’m sure many others with TEA Party and constitutional sympathies will, as well.
I am not sure Sarah Palin is going to run or can pull it off, but I do like her. If she did win I would pay lots of money to have a video on Andrew Sullivan the moment she went over the top on electoral votes. It would be something like this.
My money is where my mouth is and gee whiz a pre-release copy of “The Undefeated” dvd for me.
I’d vote for her.
Obama thinks she is running so he’s in also.
I hope you’re right. I confess I’m one of those people who figured she’d been so destroyed by the media there would be no way to recover. Lets be honest: most “swing voters” are morons.
I still can’t get the horror of the 2008 downs-syndrome-baby-bashing campaign out of my head. If she announces she’s running, I’m going to have to stop reading the news completely until it’s time to vote.
OK,
(1) when is the next MN senate race? Will Michelle Bachmann be persuaded and amenable to directing her energies there? Cooks, broth and all that.
(2) Are you sure you are not wishful thinking, with respect to the power of the LSM/DemSM/MFM media and the damage they have inflicted on Mrs. Palin? I know they and their Commiecrat apparatchiks are disgusting and unfair and evil and wrong, but that does not mean they have not left their mark. Just because something is an evil and disgusting lie does not mean that it does not exist, or does not have serious impact.
Sadly #5 has it I think. And again, I would be more than happy to be proven wrong, and I will send every penny I can spare to her campaign if she runs, and walk precincts and the like if she does run. But those commie bastards are not pushovers.
Of course Obama was in Iowa to try and blunt Palin’s roll-out and the concomitant Palin-mania. What many people understimate about her is the same thing they did about Ronald Reagan; she’s more-or-less the “happy warrior”, who’ll tell the people what’s going wrong, and her opponents where their ideas are flawed, but at the same time do it with an generally optimistic demeanor. And her policy ideas are solid…
She also has a tremendous amount of charisma, and drives the Democrats nearly insane; to the point where they are as unhinged and uncivil as I’ve-seen since the 1980’s and Reagan. And that, my friends, will ultimately work against the Scold-in-Chief and his party of nanny-state extraordinaires.
Just as Carter, with his cardigans and talk of turning up the thermostats and “malaise” as the new normal was rejected in 1980, so too will Obama be in 2012 if Palin does enter the race.
If she’s in, this ol’ Vagabond is squarely behind her. I just hope she takes Bolton as Veep; or at the very least Secretary of State.
Remember, Reagan was supposedly un-electable as well. The Carter people were salivating to get him, instead of G.H.W.Bush, as an electoral opponent. They were convinced the educated, compassionate, Carter would walk all over the doofus actor who somehow became governor; the knuckle-dragger who sounded like a throwback to Barry Goldwater.
I was there, I remember; it was my first Presidential election…
It didn’t work out well for Mr. Carter. And just as then with Jee-muh, there will be a lot of people voting against Obama as much as they are for Palin.
I’m SO tired of the MFM chatting up Romney, Palinizing Bachmann .. I will definitely come out for Palin or Bachmann, maybe Pawlenty … and sit on my hands for Romney or Huntsman.
If it means 4 more years of Obama… FUCK YOU GOP “pragmatists”, I’m taking you down with me.
people what live in Alaska are sorta by definition not very demanding
I feel exactly the same way. As a Reagan conservative, a working mother, happily married woman, I love what she represents. She is a fully actualized human being.She has been able to achieve her professional goals while raising a family and maintaining a true, loving partnership with her spouse. Isn’t that the kind of life we are all striving for? The vitriol aimed her way is a manifestation of the bitter jealousy by leftists whose progressive ideology is dependent on being a member of a victim class and so, perpetually unhappy. Palin refuses to be a victim even though she is a woman, from a back woods part of the country, who went to a common college, who married a blue collar worker, had lots of kids including a special needs child.
God, I hope she runs.
I was a baby, so I don’t remember how Reagan was portrayed by the press during that time. Was it really as crazed as the Palin shitstorm of ’08? Somehow I can’t imagine Peter Jennings sneering at Reagan’s children on the air — seems things have gotten a little less subtle since then.
Regardless, if she announces I’m going to block google and yahoo from my computer. Already got rid of the cable, thank goodness.
From a link in comments at Legal Insurrection.
Remember, Reagan was supposedly un-electable as well. The Carter people were salivating to get him, instead of G.H.W.Bush, as an electoral opponent. They were convinced the educated, compassionate, Carter would walk all over the doofus actor who somehow became governor; the knuckle-dragger who sounded like a throwback to Barry Goldwater.
I was there, I remember; it was my first Presidential election…
As a young lad, I was there too. However, I remember the fear the Carterite cretins tried to instill in us about the crazy Reagan and how he would get us into nukeyoulair war. Or how he would roll back civil rights (although this was in the background, because the multi-communist “let’s scare them darkies” sleaze of the Commiecrats really didn’t get rolling until the Soviet Empire fell apart).
But they aren’t vocally afraid of Palin. Maybe that will change. But I’d fveel more assured about her if they were already trying to make us afraid of her now, instead of *only* mocking her as a simpleton. They never had to try to make us afraid of Dan Quayle, after all.
Take Rick Santorum for example. The femicommunist cuntcremes already go on and on about how he will take away their “comparable worth” commiecrat employment standards and their right to kill a baby, which means they will all be in burquas next. We all know that. It’s standard GOP procedure (guffaw). But they don’t call Santorum stupid.
I do.
If I was fifty years younger, I would be entranced by this little girl. After Mom, and after all – this is sarah Palibn’s spawn. Good news for “dorb for doewn the road.’
What does ” Dorb” mean? I have no idea….or the rest of it, what is wrongeith my computer? you assles.
HOLY SCHMITT! GOOD NIGHT!!
yeah this is what makes me feel all doom and gloom. Optimism isn’t my strong suit.
But then I think — hell. If it really is the end of the age, might as well go for broke and vote your conscience. (And immediately buy wilderness property and lots of guns.)
Palin – Cliff Lee
That’s the ticket
To reduce her to a simpleton has been the Alinsky tactic from moment one; and they haven’t changed course because they have half the establishment GOP carrying their water.
It’s revolting.
If she were nominated, I’d vote for her, but she wouldn’t win. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see her win (hell, I’d take a retarded dog over Obama), but she won’t. It’s a shitty truth, but a truth nevertheless.
wow. That was actually comforting in a sick way.
— he said, based on his extensive study of the Alaskan psyche — and because he has season 2 of Northern Exposure on DVD.
Don’t forget they threw Anderson at him as a third party candidate, as well — and the libertarians were attacking him from the right as a big government type.
And yet, landslide. Because he followed Carter, and free market, pro-growth, pro-American optimism sells. At least, it did. Not sure how much longer we have to right the ship before we live in the land of Idiocracy.
To reduce her to a simpleton has been the Alinsky tactic from moment one; and they haven’t changed course because they have half the establishment GOP carrying their water.
It’s revolting.
Right you are; it is. But again, just because something is a disgusting lie does not mean it doesn’t work. Goldwater went down in flames after all. And he was past the Stupid label and put into the Dangerous label. And Goldwater too had the Rockefeller pussies to deal with.
Uncle Ron somehow pulled ahead, invoked the 11th commandment to silence mushy RINOs, co-opted the Establishment who initially were calling him “Mr. Voodoo Economics”, and put their milquetoast candidate into the Veep slot. This proved disastrous 9 or 10 years later when Mr. Milquetoast raised taxes and caved into the Affirmative Actioneers. But in 1980, the co-option worked.
So what does this mean for 2012? I would love to have Mrs. Palin waste the Establishment and not even need to co-opt them. (OK, maybe make Mr. Romney Treasury Secretary or merge the Departments of Labor and Commerce into one and put him there). But can she do it? I have my doubts.
– he said, based on his extensive study of the Alaskan psyche — and because he has season 2 of Northern Exposure on DVD.
At first I thought that was sarcasm or irony. But then again, given that ‘feets lets immigration romanticism overtake him and lets The Rule Of The Anus trump The Rules Of Law And Civilization, maybe not.
Don’t forget they threw Anderson at him as a third party candidate, as well — and the libertarians were attacking him from the right as a big government type.
Not so fast. “A vote for Anderson is a Vote For Reagan” said the Carterites. And often it was. Pussies who really were afraid of Uncle Ron Da Warmonger did vote for Anderson.
I’d really like to have John expain/unpack what ever the fuck he’s saying… “I’ll vote for her, cause she’s at least not Ole Yeller, but whomever I vote for never wins, so LOOK bunnies”…
Have some FAITH man.
ms. moosehunter agrees i think:
link
all I know about Alaska is that’s where the sammins come from but I’m boycotting Alaska’s filthy free enterprise-hating sammins which sucks cause of I stocked up on the marinade stuff I use
I’ll vote for her if she’s the nominee and I hope she wins.
Bristol I can do without though. A memoir at 20?
Maybe Palin really did do a good job with her and it’s a well-kept secret. I’m not seeing it though–the girl is desperate for the glare.
I think the only way they can defeat Palin in 2012 is to keep her from getting the GOP nomination. Once she gets to debate Obama — and campaign, and put out ads, etc. — she’ll destroy him.
And it’s simple why: she’s a conservative free market capitalist who is proud of her country and protective of liberty, one who is not afraid to take the fight to Obama, one who has been battle hardened and completely vetted, and one who will gleefully point to Obama’s failures now that he has a record and can no longer rely on empty promises and platitudinal mysticism shrouded in “historicalness” to run on.
She is the antithesis to politics as usual. And she’s still standing.
She’s us.
Have some FAITH man.
I don’t know where John is, but here in California, The Commiecrats crushed that out of me. And what the Commiecrats didn’t crush, the RINOs slowly drained out of me, from Hispandering the voting base away to SchwarzenGlobalWarmingfrauding. (The latter being my pseudo German made up word).
WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
ALASKA!
WHAT DO YOU WANT?
NOTHIN’ by definition! (QED)
Only because Anderson was a squish, and they picked the squish they didn’t know over the one who’d fucked up the country. But that’s on Carter.
What you said, Jeff. Won’t it be fun to work on this campaign?!
And that’s one of the best arguments against the “unelectable” trope. There are lots of us who will be thrilled to work our hearts out. Palin has obviously figured that out; the media will be catching on in about a year and a half.
My recollection of the Reagan coverage is that it was pretty similar to the War on Palin. Complete disbelief that someone the elites considered declasse would dare to take himself seriously enough to run for President. People spoke endlessly of his supposed stupidity and lack of “qualifications.” The general attitude from the media and the pundits was “Who does he think he is?”
The rest of us started to wonder who the hell they thought they were. Why is the newscaster trying to tell me who to vote for instead of talking about the issues? Yes, it was much more mild back then, but it was the same general thing.
So we looked at the candidate ourselves, and found him to be a good, honest person who had good ideas, good judgment, and a good character. He gave interesting, inspiring speeches that were blunt and clear, and a lot of people listened, and woke up, and educated themselves about the issues.
Just like now.
Yeah. I’m sure you’d turn down a big paycheck to write a book that publishers were dying to get.
What an opportunistic little bitch.
I say we dig more into her uterus. She’s got it coming, after all, wanting to give her side of her story.
she didn’t exactly destroy Joe Biden in their debate she was actually pretty tepid and kinda winky winky I thought
there were lotsa openings she just wasn’t inspired to exploit or she didn’t know how … I remember being very disappointed in her performance
That’s the spirit, J0hn!
Running on McCain’s platform.
I just can’t wait for Obama to give her or Bachmann the middle finger scratch or the bros before hos attitude.
And that’s one of the best arguments against the “unelectable” trope. There are lots of us who will be thrilled to work our hearts out. Palin has obviously figured that out; the media will be catching on in about a year and a half.
I SO want to believe this. However, being mugged by reality, I know that wishing doesn’t make it so. If it did, the Obamunist “stimulus” would have worked.
On similar notes, I am wary of goo-goo-for-globalism “free trader” types, who, to me, suffer from the Multiculturalism Delusion Of The Right: make Money Not War, Capitalists Of The World Unite, etc. National Security and soverignty *do* matter.
“Open Border” immigration romantics of the “center right”, as they call themselves, are similar.
well we’ll just have to wait and see all I know is that Sarah Palin will energize obamawhore voters like nobody’s business it’s gonna be awful it’ll pit neighbor against neighbor and brother against brother and cousin against cousin and brother against neighbor and cousin against brother and neighbor against cousin and cousins allied with brothers against neighbors and neighbors allied with cousins against brothers and brothers allied with neighbors against cousins and what’s a little pikachu to do I ask you?
probably say I told you so a lot
Bristol has pretty hair it’s very shiny
“I SO want to believe this. However, being mugged by reality, I know that wishing doesn’t make it so. “
Oh for the love of…
Curmudgeon, ask yourself, what would make it so…?
If Palin runs, she’ll have the opportunity to satisfy everyone’s doubts. If she can win the nomination, she can win the general. If she can manage a nomination winning campaign, clearly she’s as qualified as the current incumbent to manage the country. Oh wait. She’s more qualified. She actually has some achievements to point to, besides running for higher office that is.
“desperate for the glare”
Are you serious?
The media invaded her privacy, dragged her through the mud, cast her in the worst of light for doing something non-criminal and really not very rare, turning her into a household name without regard for her wishes, and now that she is making the best of the situation by turning the tables and becoming relatively successful in media at least for the moment, you begrudge her that?
In the same way that wistfully decreeing that wishing it to doesn’t make it so doesn’t make that so.
My plan is to leave the wistfulness behind and go full bore. But not for a Republican who won’t do more than slow the tide and manage the decline with temporary lower taxes.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
all I know is that Sarah Palin will energize obamawhore voters like nobody’s business
Short of voter fraud, always a fun possibility with the Commiecrats, the Obamunist could not get his black voter turnout any higher. Meanwhile the rest of us thrown under the race-baiting bus are sick and tired of it. So that, at least, is not going to happen.
I am more afraid of the media apparatchiks successfully making the mush brained middle feel they are superior to Sarah Palin.
If the media apparatchiks have to resort to scare tactics, then Sarah has won, God bless her. But we are not at that point yet. Not by a long shot.
what’s a little pikachu to do I ask you?
Continue to succumb to The Rule Of The Anus and demogogue us in that respect?
If she can win the nomination, she can win the general.
that is a non sequitur
The other thing to consider is that there’s really not a whole hell of a lot more that they can say about her, is there? If people start weighing the pros and cons in her favor, there’s nothing the Dems or the media can do to get them to change their minds again.
And I give a fuck?
me: “So, obamawhore voter, I see you’re ENERGIZED! Tell me, is it the 10% unemployment, the coming inflation, the crashing of the currency, the destruction of the housing market, the diminishing of the private sector, the overburdensome regulations killing job producers, the Libyan adventure, or all the little bits of legislation that take away liberties done on the sly that so ENERGIZE you?”
obamawhore voter: “We just hate the snowbilly hicktard. 4 MORE YEARS!”
I’m fine with that. If Americans choose to go that route, fuck ’em. I’ll check who they voted for before I allow them into the new country that forms after the civil war.
Curmudgeon, ask yourself, what would make it so…?
IF, and only IF, the lamestream media goes from mocking to scaring.
If the Commiecrats go from taking Sarah out of her snowbilly parka and try to put Klan robes on her–the constant sleazy “scare dem darkies” race-baiting the Commiecrats always resort to when all else fails–then I will have hope that she has them on the ropes.
Or if the Commiecrats go ape coward shit over a comment like they did with Tom Tancredo’s joke about nuking Mecca. Or like they went ape-shit when Uncle Ron joked about outlawing the Soviets and the bombing starts in 5 minutes. (note to Sarah: you might try joking about nuking Iran).
There comes a time when you have to decide: to live on your knees or (possibly) die on your feet. Gimme back my boots Ma.
How old was Obama when he wrote his first memoir, Roddy? Stay focused, Dude!
hf said:
“Bristol has pretty hair it’s very shiny”
Relevant comment, isn’t it?
Did someone leave the barn door open again?
Mr. Jeff when all of this is over and you need a shoulder, I am here for you I want you to know that
I will be strong for both of us
“The other thing to consider is that there’s really not a whole hell of a lot more that they can say about her, is there?”
that’s true. so i take back what i said to mr. g. in another thread about wanting someone different so the leftards have to gin up a new narrative. alinsky: make ’em recycle their smears.
Well let’s see B. Moe, he’s be out of office in 2013, give him a year to write one, so 52?
that is a non sequitur
Silly me, I thought the one was a necessary pre-condition to the other.
Very sequiens I think.
“I will be strong for both of us”
not body odor i’m sure.
A non sequitur would be more like Sarah Palin can win the nomination because happyfeet likes to wear womens clothing.
everyone likes to feel pretty
You’re joking, right? I’ve had to fight off defeatist coastal snobs like you for years, and I’m still standing.
Save that space on your shoulder for the strap to your man purse.
Today, I am an Alaskan. Please just leave me the fuck alone.
I’ve always preferred to be rugged; never pretty nor gay
Seeing as how he was 4 when he was conceived, I don’t think that question can be answered without a teleprompter.
I wouldn’t necessarily count on this…
Libya, Afghanistan, no card check, no active role in the WI union metdown, renewed patriot act, Bush tax cuts still in force, no reparations, black unemployment north of 20%, no amnesty, no single-payer national healthcare, no second stimulus, no cap-n-trade, no gay rights putsch…
Need I go on?
So it’s not really definite that all of Obama’s base will turn out in 2012, regardless of who the Rethug! is.
And the middlers? Unemployment north of 8% using the jockeyed number; U-16 > 16%. Including the number of people working part-time who want to work 40 hours that number is probably closer to 20…
A historic low in workforce participation. Gas prices on the rise; in case you didn’t notice, Mr. Super Jeeenyus’ SPR release scheme lowered the price of oil for around 72-96 hours…
Yearly deficits exceeding 1 trillion dollars…
I’m thinking the middlers are effin’ done with The Won.
Hey Jeff,
Bachmann is a victim here. Unless one of those 23 kids comes out and says “Mr. Bachmann played hide the…..” We owe her our thanks, at least as much as we owe military people, for doing the work that needs to be done–that most, if not all of us, WON’T do–for the most vulnerable among us, for insulting pay and a brutal investment in time and energy. Bachmann doesn’t hide this part of her life, but she got to the center stage for a dozen other reasons and for her level of prominence, has kept her family life fairly low key. That may or may not have been a smart thing to do, but its how she played her hand.
Palin is different Jeff. She campaigned as a family, kids front and center, frequently name checking them, made reality TV shows with them, tweets and facebook’s about them and more. It’s her right to do so and its made her incredibly popular and frankly, rich. Maybe, per your earlier points, wealthy enough to circumvent the whore fest of campaign cash raising and to launch what would amount to a third party run around the GOP platform. So you have to put the “Crazy like a fox” meme out there too.
But its not “uterus digging” to wonder what the hell a 20 year old who–like me and you and a lot of people at that age–demonstrably knows nothing beyond what the fuck her parents led her into is doing writing a memoir that’s just a giant name trading gambit.
I wouldnt have taken the check Jeff. Lot of people wouldnt. Hell Chelsea Clinton didn’t.
Ill vote for Palin because Im voting for a platform and worldview that is desperately needed, not her ability to run a family with a clear vision.
Not sure why that so brasses you off.
So essentially, you’re in thrall to the Commiecrats and let what they do dictate what you do.
Got it.
#winning!
The committed Obamawhore voter is what percentage of the electorate again?
Sure, electorally New York, New England, Illinois are all lost causes, as is the Pacific Northwest. And maybe the Cali-crats can sell Calilfornians on the idea that Obama would have solved all of Jerry’s problems for him if it wasn’t for John Boehner and Eric Cantor, evil bastards, (or maybe they don’t have to as long as La Raza delivers the votes).
But I doubt screaming whore! whore! whore! at Palin/Bachmann is going to play to the exquisite sensibilities of the moderate/independents who don’t cotton to that sort of thing.
Or so we’re told everytime one of ours tries to tell an unpleasant truth.
“all I know is that Sarah Palin will energize obamawhore voters like nobody’s business”
the college voter is up for grabs. nothing motivates debt laden students like no jobs.
I remember the David Letterman jokes about Chelsea getting knocked up, and the innuendo that it was really her who was fellatin’ on daddy. Oh, and that her mom was pretending to have a baby to hide her sluttiness.
What brasses me off is, as Sarah said, you have to try pretty hard to begrudge a girl whose family has been through so much — and who has taken such constant public abuse — from wanting to tell her side of the story.
May she drive her enemies before her.
Obama however is doomed, no matter who he opposes. Doomed, I tells ya.
Pablo,
Since there seems to be evidence that Obama wrote precisely none of his memoirs, I’m going with E) None of the Above.
/”Writing” two “memoirs” was a key data point helping me to joyfully vote against the man. Unless you spent an extended period of time, viz Churchill, leading battalions on the Western front, dreaming up Gallipoli and keeping the lights on for western civ in 1940, two memoirs guarantees your own hall in the Poser Hall of Fame.
The Obamawhore voters will be plenty fired up regardless of who the Republicans run – this is the big enchilada, they know it. I hope our side does too.
So essentially, you’re in thrall to the Commiecrats and let what they do dictate what you do.
Sigh. As if telling from their reactions whether we are succeeding or not means that I am in thrall.
Let us have a little history. Remember Uncle Ron versus the “Arms Control” latter-day Neville Chamberlains of the Left? When they were all scared and making “Day After” films, I knew Uncle Ron was prevailing. However, the time they turned “Dense Pack” into a joke, I was genuinely worried for Uncle Ron. And not without reason–he subsequently lost the first MX missile vote.
But when Uncle Ron went back to using the MX as a bargaining chip vs the dangerous Soviet bears in the woods, and the Left went back to nuclear freeze crying and thumbsucking, then again he prevailed.
Sarah needs to scare the bastards. I know, you think deep down she does scare them, and maybe you are right. But when they show it, then we can really smile again. They never showed it with Dan Quayle.
maybe they don’t have to as long as La Raza delivers the votes
Sad but true, as the song goes.
“But its not “uterus digging” to wonder what the hell a 20 year old who–like me and you and a lot of people at that age–demonstrably knows nothing beyond what the fuck her parents led her into is doing writing a memoir that’s just a giant name trading gambit. ”
a giant name trading gambit: andrew cuomo, allissa(sp) pelosi, rfk jr., megan mccaian, punch sulzberger, maria shriver effin’ the whole kennedy clan, daleys from chitown, jesse jerkson’s son, hillary clinton, ron reagan jr., et al
Jeff: Whoa!
Only Crazy, Gay Andy is pushing that “Trigerism” thing. Hell, even Kos is backing away from it….or is that Charles Johnson? I confuse the two. Maybe they’re the same.
I get the telling her point of view thing. I see it as a negative, and the parent’s walked into all this eyes wide open, but I get your point.
“IF, and only IF, the lamestream media goes from mocking to scaring.”
They don’t gotta scare you, they already got you buffaloed.
too, why try to scare someone already clutching their pearls?
78. Precisely!
We have been BLESSED by that list, haven’t we? You get what you reinforce, you know.
Would Dan Quayle scare you?
Dan Quayle was the establicans wet dream. They piggy backed GHWB onto Reagan (to counter the lefts claims that Reagan was too green vis a vis foreign policy and intelligence) and then got their uber pick into the VP slot. They thought they had themselves the next Kennedy (all those Kennedy loving female voters will swoon!!!). Young, good looking, and a nice family man. Natural successor after 8 glorious years of GHWB. 8 years of Quayle and then 8 years of GWB. That was the game plan.
And they want us to trust them to get it right this time? Dood.
Dude, you’ve spent this entire thread sighing and bemoaning the fact that Palin can’t compete because of the ruthlessness of the left.
I reject that.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
I should think the 3-year sustained attack against her — late including enlisting readers to trawl her emails — suggests that she scares the everliving shit out of them, even when she’s out of office and operating on facebook and through bus tours.
YMMV
What is so unusual to me about Palin is the way the media wouldn’t let go of her. She left office, and had nothing but a FACEBOOK PAGE, and every month the media were writing stories about her.
Normally a failed candidate gets left in the dust. Nobody follows Kerry around, or moves in next door to him to write a tell-all book about his family. Does Dan Quayle have a facebook page? Who cares?
Need I go on?
So it’s not really definite that all of Obama’s base will turn out in 2012, regardless of who the Rethug! is.
I don’t agree Mr. Bob and I will tell you why. There wasn’t a single person in America in 2008 what went to vote for John McCain, cause of he is a renowned pusillanimous codswollop. Not a single person except his family anyway. They were all voting against bumblefuck. But Obama voters were mostly voting for bumblefuck. This time they will have an added impetus of voting against Palin, who very ably represents All Bad Things to them.
And verily they will voteth for Obama and verily they will sayeth among themselves that ok this time for reals this will be the moment when the rise of the oceans started to slow and our planet began to heal.
I need that on a t-shirt. for reals.
Has anyone with negatives as high as Palin’s already are even before the primaries ever won the presidency?
Horseshit, happyfeet.
Obama got a ton of votes in 2008 because of years of Bush hate, his empty slate persona, his historicalness, and the full-out support of the press. He even had Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, and David Brooks swooning over him. Because he threw out the right markers. He’s a fraud. A faculty lounge president –and worse, a faculty lounge president elected on an affirmative action scholarship.
Were the election held today for President, the guy would get the spanking his pappy never gave him.
“This time they will have an added impetus of voting against Palin, who very ably represents All Bad Things to them.”
yea like: high unemployment, dysfunctional foreign policy, idiotic regulation, imperial precedent, never ending wars, idiot energy policy, et al. yea the moosehunter she’s evil like that.
Oh come on Jeff, you do not know if Frank Marshall Davis ever spanked da one.
“Has anyone with negatives as high as Palin’s already are even before the primaries ever won the presidency?”
yes because 3000 people adequately gauge the thoughts of 300,000,000 people. only at the mbm.
I am pretty sure FMD spanked Obama’s mom.
I think you can still interpret what Bristol was saying as Sarah’s decision being conditional on this that or the other. Like whether or not Mr. Gov. Perry runs. Or maybe she wants to see how her movie is received.
“Has anyone with negatives as high as Palin’s already are even before the primaries ever won the presidency?”
I heard Andrew Jackson polled terribly in 1827.
That was before Gallup though, so we can’t be certain.
Yup, I know that’s what I take away from “she’s already decided.”
Sarah Rolph wrote:
Seems that some people are livid at such things because these icky chillbilly peasants never seem to know their place. The silly peasant girl was supposed to slink away in shame.
Probably also explains all the effort in screeching about Palin being so worthless and having no chance. The rest of us mere peasants just don’t seem to be getting the accepted wisdom so it needs to be repeated to us… or at least they feel some desperate need to make sure we’re convinced that Palin is worthless and has no chance so we won’t support her. Then she’ll really be worthless and have no chance.
It was cool to vote Obama –the first time.
Why do you want to stand in the way of a for reals historic transformational first?
Because I do not see the need for a “transformational” anything.
I think we’re about to get transformed into AA rated nation so I’ll vote for anyone whose name we’ve been tossing around here. I’d rather Bachmann, but really, what matter as long as they’re not The One.
Even with the on-books debt approaching a figure greater than 100% of GDP? Something majorly different seems like it needs doin’ in a friggin’ hurry to me. That whole business-as-usual deal has got to go.
my biggest lament about the bachmann vs. stepyonorous thing was the unwillingness to attack the demonrats on their views on slavery circa 1820-61, or their party’s views on jim crowe 1870-1959. their party’s action in the federal gov’t of woodrow wilson, their party’s action with the jap-americans under fdr, andrew jackson and the trail of tears? these fools hold a losing hand if the real history is exposed. because slavery is america’s problem or the rethuglican’s not the demonrats who kept it alive. oh noes not the demonrats.
given the majorly different doings what need doing, someone needs to be running a campaign what isn’t quite so flagrantly banal as the ones everyone running so far is running
Except Gingrich. He’s really taking an unconventional tack.
It’s still hard two and a half years later to believe Americans elected this pusillanimous mendacious moron to their highest office of state. In a time of vast economic peril no less, with about a third of the world on fire in roiling change. Jesus, what a collection.
97.
I totally disagree. The transformation we’re getting is not in the direction I desire.
Mr. Instapundit linked this sober and grim look at our sad little country’s financial accident what it’s had
maybe Sarah can promise to put Air Force One up for sale on the Ebay that would be fresh and startling
Don’t talk to someone who is on the ‘net much and ask them (if they are reflexively anti-Palin) just what is it that they find so loathsome.
I guarantee you, it is strung together bits of media-invented gibberish that cannot stand up under any decent questioning. Palin-hate is all punchline where the joke itself falls apart when someone doesn’t laugh along at the cue lines.
Now, this won’t necessarily change anyone’s mind … mostly because they’ll be embarrassed that their stance has been exposed for the tissue-thin fraud that it is. Palin-hate is about being part of the crowd, like being in Bill Maher’s audience and guffawing when he described Bristol as “the shit doesn’t fall far from the bat.”
And the MFM has dragged out their Palin-attack book and penciled in the “Bachmann” name. From Georgie-boy onward, the tactic is to just keep recycling and restating the same “Have you stopped beating your husband?” kind of questions. “aren’t you a flake?” “people are focusing on what you said about John Wayne Gacy; isn’t that a distraction?” ad nauseum.
24,000 emails and the portrait of a highly competent governor emerges and suddenly, the “treasure trove” of anticipated “we always knew she was a cumslut snowbilly LOOK AT THIS!!” moments never materialized. So the whole episode has disappeared down the memory hole.
Michelle Obama is crowing about the help she gets from the media in shielding her children, Michele Bachmann is having the media threaten her 23 foster kids.
This is who they are. This is what they do.
Fuck ’em.
Sorry, I cast my vote for Sarah. I even wrote on it at the pub at the time. I know I wasn’t alone.
She’s us.
Yes she is.
geoffb
You aren’t. She’s the only reason my husband and I voted for McCain.
See? It’s the little throwaway lines like this that really piss me off the most, because the intimation is that her accomplishments in Alaska were all symbolic and fluffy, and that’s just simply not the case.
What IS the case is that that’s what was sold and touted because it’s easier for the masses to digest than complicated tax overhauls or opening up bidding to natural gas pipeline proposals — and clearly some of the masses lapped it up, albeit to reinforce their own prejudices and to build a support structure for the cartoon they keep playing in their heads vis-a-vis Palin.
I think it may be time to reexamine just who the dummies are in this scenario.
I’d rather she auction off the Dept. of Education.
(The Gingrich quip was good, by the way –credit where due)
I guess some people voted for Sarah you’re right. It was a long time ago and it was raisin girl Obama vs. cornflake girl Palin and nobody was neutral not really except the odd lucky charm pikachu what was appalled at the idea of voting for Meghan’s coward daddy but vote he did. Ouch. Never again.
None of this makes any sense anymore but now it seems, in light of cold hard troofs such as the one in #105, we are being asked quite clearly and perspicaciously to choose who we should like to steer our ship into yon iceberg.
her accomplishments in Alaska were all symbolic and fluffy, and that’s just simply not the case.
Mr. Jeff Alaska has a population less than that of Austin Texas. Being governor of Alaska just isn’t all that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. It’s sorta kind of a neat thing to have on your resume I guess. But it’s easy to overstate it.
Oh yes, 2008 was such a long time ago.
Keep waving those hands and pretending you’re serious and thoughtful, hf.
If that’s what you really believe, Huntsman’s your guy. He won’t have done anything to embarrass you in front of you associates, and win or lose (or lose for winning –Iceberg! Dead Ahead! and all that–), he’ll always behave with a genteel grace.
you don’t think 2008 was a long time ago Mr. Chester? We’re living in an entirely different little country than we were then.
I just hope in steerage we gets to dance Mr. Ernst
Bullshit. In Alaska, because of the nature of their constitution, the Governor is a CEO. And because of its strategic location, governors are kept in the defense loop.
What’s “overstated” is that the size of the population means more than just adding a few zeroes here and there when putting together your plans. If the principles are sound, an increase in the number of people you are governing only means and increase in the number of people you are governing well.
I’m on the record as saying Jeff would make a passable candidate and one I’d support. You’re tolerant, smart, direct and have a defined and necessary set of views that you’ll fight for. You seem to enjoy a good laugh and can take a shot. The US would know where you stood on something and you’d veto anything that said “Transform.”
You’re probably not bad looking, so the camera wouldn’t make you look like Nixon. You probably havent screwed up badly enough at anything to get disqualified.
Keep an open mind.
Roddy
No, 2008 wasn’t a long time ago. 1998 would be close to that, if barely.
Going to try a “perception is reality” bleat next, hf?
I think Nixon was sexy.
But then, ever since George Michael I’ve had a thing for scruff and five o’clock shadows. Even retrospectively.
An unkempt William Powell makes me swoon!
“It was a long time ago and it was raisin girl Obama vs. cornflake girl Palin”
no it was 3 years ago and tingles up his leg and mr. nice crease and the gyno guy went full monty. me those folks eff’ ’em the communistenmtary crowd eff them, the little boys at amspecblog eff them, the rinos at ace and hotrino fuck them. we don’t have any time left for folks who don’t know about the ” march into the institution” or who think islam is a religion of peace.
if you don’t know about the proggs or islam 10 years after 9/11 you are either stupid or evil. no it is A Time for Choosing
Forget it Roddy. That fucking armadillo would try to cash in and just embarrass the hell out of everybody.
Mr. Jeff Alaska has a population less than that of Austin Texas. Being governor of Alaska just isn’t all that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. It’s sorta kind of a neat thing to have on your resume I guess. But it’s easy to overstate it.
Shit like this really irks me. Does size of a state really matter? They all pretty much do the same shit, so the only difference vis a vis smaller v larger states is the quantity of checks written and collected and number of customers served. And that’s just computer inputs by some clerks somewhere and making sure you have enough staff on hand to serve the customers (tax payers).
All is lost!!!! We shoulda elected Ray Crok when we had the chance…
wikipedia says that if every states were as populous as Alaska we’d need 434.7 states to hold all our peoples
(308,745,538 / 710,231)
And?
“We’re living in an entirely different little country than we were then.”
not really. if you take an ax to the fed gov’t we could be partying like it is 1899.
“happyfeet posted on 6/28 @ 10:07 pm”
belly button envy
there’s no and it’s just a factoid
I was curious
In terms of American Jewry, you could get the 1/11 of the 2 percent that votes R.
Don’t sneeze at it.
“In terms of American Jewry, you could get the 1/11 of the 2 percent that votes R.”
something about when you assume.
Feets, the fact that Palin has negatives now means exactly zip.
We surround them. We outnumber them 2-to-1. People got to vote for the first black president and now they don’t need to prove how unracist they are.
Besides, people who have to take a wheelbarrow of bills to the store to buy a loaf of bread aren’t much disposed to vote for the incumbent.
“cornflake”
Bringing my hometown into it is rather a low hit now isn’t it?
“I was curious”
about what? not failed states. oh noes you’ve got to be a big shot like andy cummomo. or a retread like jerry brownslut. or the hoochie boxeranal or finesteinsdoggypose. yea demonrat mental midgets let us count the number. or stand up for joe biden. allan so many stupid demonrats so little time.
I’ll square the circle…
Hitler’s approval ratings were in the shitter prior to 1930.
Internet assploding in 5.4.3…
nobody’s negatives go down during a campaign though dicentra
and there’s an unbelievable crapload of low-hanging economic fruit in our little country and bumblefuck could start a picking it at any time
if he’d just pause the regulatory ass-rape of America starting in 2012 he’d get dividends by election time
he already very carefully set the SPR precedent this year so next summer he can sell sell sell cheap oils on an even bigger scale
he can sign a bill to repatriate corporate monies
who knows he might even get his union whore thug masters to let him sign a trade deal
Now is ze time on Sprockets vhen ve dance! Okay, maybe I have a random thought on topic.
You know what I like about Palin? Seriously. I — in a horse race sense — like the idea that we’re facing high unemployment and a generally terrible economy. And… she seems to be a pretty tough, reliably conservative opponent.
It’s a short pitch, but, yeah, that’s what I like about Palin. If I trust her general instincts, I can then rather easily trust her ability to staff the required positions that have other people wigging out over.
no Mr. geoff that was a tori amos reference!
please to not tell that mean sausage person I made a Tori Amos reference
Obviously we need to get behind a Moonbeam for President bandwagon as he has been “Duh Guv” of the mostest peoples twice. Mucho experience up his ass. That shit just runs out of his every orifice. Dribbles from his chin when he speaks.
I’m swooning.
Tori, ok.
good point Mr. geoff
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nobody’s negatives go down during a campaign though dicentra
As far as you know.
All your conventional wisdom are belong to the trash heap of history.
He will run on his instincts. He is the best and the brightest he has ever seen. And his first instinct is to lie, badly, and get caught out.
Palin vs Obama? Skip the popcorn, bring on the beer and brats, it’s going to be tummy filling.
well yeah but what if Palin drives her chevy to the levy and the levy is dry?
you didn’t think of that did you?
That’s the issue innit? Instincts… When politicians get in a tough bind what are their instincts?
If they ‘run home to momma’ (movie reference) and momma is not a conservative truism… we get queasy. The problem for most of the field so far is that the evidence suggests that their ‘momma’ is beltway and establishment comity, a craven pandering for MBM ‘attaboys’ and a willingness to lose more slowly to the fascists.
Right now the electorate has a helluva need for some Maalox and no one’s offered any.
Reagan was trusted to have the correct instincts. He was someone you could put your ‘faith’ in and not have to worry that he wouldn’t do the right thing. Who in this current crop engenders that trust so far? Even Obama is causing queasiness in the less ideological democrats. They have no faith that he will do the right thing. And that opens up a hella large number of voters that are there for the pickings.
this why the demonrats affinity to slavery needs to be exposed now.
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you have to attack if you want to win.
I don’t think that’s a misguided concern myself, Di. We can’t scoff at history.
But… Barry is the incumbent. (To almost immediately reverse myself.) Best case scenario, we won’t win. No. He’ll lose. And to explode some sunshine out my ass, I’d ask how often someone with his track record is re-elected.
From there, I’m not looking to find a candidate who’s the perfect race horse. In my mind, we’re already racing against old Bessie. Part glue, part 9% unemployment.
We’re looking for someone we can trust to do unpopular things once elected. Right?
We’re looking for someone we can trust to do unpopular things once elected. Right?
Bingo. We’re looking for someone whose instincts we trust. Someone whose instinct is to protect ‘Amurica’ and make her strong again. Someone whose instinct is to trust we the people to unleash ourselves and put our talents to work and who we are confident will force to government get the fuck out of the way and let us be ‘Amuricans.’
See anyone like that on the horizon?
The O! campaign manager made his lying bones on this one.
Whiskey and Rye huh ‘feets? But there ain’t a dry levee anywhere this year.
Palin cut during a surplus. She used line item vetoes that completely threw the legislature for a loop. She truly believed her job was to act as a trustee of the people of Alaska, using the Alaskan constitution as her guide. And her ethics are, to my mind, impregnable.
Read up on the story of The Magnificent Seven in Alaska.
What I came away thinking, after I watched the film, is, why isn’t this lady Rachel Maddow’s FAVORITIST candidate? Palin fights big oil, roots out corruption in her own party, opens up energy opportunities and enriches the people of Alaska… And the answer is, because the left is all about the left and power, not about the shit they pretend to champion.
“We’re looking for someone we can trust to do unpopular things once elected. Right?”
no we are looking for a candidate who will take on the inherent slavery, 1830 – 2011, of the demonrat party. freedom is a winner.
Heh, Steph, yeah. Hand to my heart I think Palin fits that description. Almost in an odd way. Like they unintentionally conditioned her to be like the Terminator and ignore anything they might whine about.
That’s not the end all and the be all but… it’s big and it’s important. Probably far bigger and more important that it would be if we had even a slightly functional governing class.
Here in the comments, we just get this weird Manichean thing going on once in a while and it seems like we’re more for one thing or another because of other markers.
I occasionally link stuff that I had to immediately google out of ignorance.*
(‘Cause other people are probably way more dumberer than me. Like, way more.)
I really don’t have any interest in discussing Palin around here anymore. But I am a little curious as to how someone like happyfeet can relentlessly take steaming dumps on the woman while offering up the “detached, clinical observation” that she’s covered in shit. It’s borderline psychotic.
OT:
The Wisconsin Supreme Court story just gets more deeply weird. Includes a Sumi cameo.
“we just get this weird Manichean thing going on once in a while ”
sometimes there are “this weird Manichean thing going on” like 1939 and you deal with it.
A TIME FOR CHOOSING (The Speech – October 27, 1964)
That’s probably my opportunity to change my position a bit and say that I’m now a bit concerned about the WI recalls, Geoff.
We missed a ballot by 2 signatures. Needed… 400. 50-50 seat and we fucked it up.
I swore an awful goshdarn lot on the phone today.
(If I had to guess, that explains the apprehension that sdferr noticed with Walker most recently.)
No, that isn’t the awkwardness I’ve been (poorly) stumbling through.
No.
Just isn’t.
Got a good Senator though.
Here’s a thing that I’m saying lately, Geoff, “Howsabout we find another like him for Kohl’s seat rather than scrounging around in the lost and found box?”
That and swearing. Can’t have a decent phone conversation without some swearing.)
Don’t call me, I’ll call you…
Ann Coulter on Status Anxiety:
What’s a poor poor pikachu tum–tum–tumbling like a Texas tumbleweed underneath the bright lights of the big big city of angels supposed to do on his way to making it?
Sorry about another OT, but this sounds interesting.
Can China go Greek?
He should have been objecting to ‘unanimous consent’ agreements
starting on 1/5/11since day 1 of this Obamistration. They all should have. I’ve seen several articles lately on some squirrely shit that was buried down in the weeds on a couple of pieces of benign sounding legislation that are NOT conservative friendly but were passed via the ‘unanimous consent’ POS.Hey Senators… do your fucking jobs.
Can China go Greek?
Is there any other choice? What with the scarcity of Chinese women and all?
Choice? How about a repeat.
And I’m out for a few days. Taking the wee one to Charleston, WV to meet with the golf coach and (hopefully) see some major $$ dangling in our path. Doing the campus tour and playing golf with the coach, too. Pray for birdies…
And for smooth riding for the 487 miles up and 487 miles back in the span of 36 hours. Yuck.
It really isn’t arguable that Palin has been on the receiving end of more political animus from the mainstream media than any other modern politician. i mean come on.
And for me it has been very interesting to watch Palin turn her face to it, and not only persevere, but grow her power. She has not been killed, she has made herself stronger. Now, will it be strong enough to mitigate, in the voting public’s eye, her resignation of her governorship? I don’t know.
I think Palin needs to not just run on her personality but pick an idea, like the Fair Tax, and run on it. Americans are suckers for good ideas.
Good luck, Steph.
If I knew the college scouting and golfing version of “break a leg”, I’d insert it here.
The way the Atlantic spins the Palin story — everything she accomplished, with the impetus of dark forces in her soul, had the fortune of never really showing as such, and people kept benefiting despite her dastardly intentions — is a remarkable glimpse into the leftwing media mind.
“I wouldnt have taken the check Jeff. Lot of people wouldnt. Hell Chelsea Clinton didn’t.”
Baloney! I would take that check in under two seconds. Do you realize how precious our “LightGiver” has made ANY little tiny bit of money?
Chelsea didn’t “take the check” because, as far as I can see, she has some awesome legs and Billary is her mother. End of story, right there. She is scary beyond description. I could be somewhat interested in where her legs end, but no way would I ever take the time to read her “book”, unless it was profferred to me on a very wet platter.
Who wants to know who Dad fucked? I certainly could care less, because the list is probably endless, boring, and pointless.
And –
Jesus is coming – Look busy.
White, in shape, people like you, faithful to your spouse, loaded with common sense = imbecile
Black, fat = slim and beautiful
Black, nobody likes you = personally popular
Black, no evidence of common sense = brilliant
Black, raffling off dinner with the highly respected Office of the President = super classy
“What’s a poor poor pikachu tum–tum–tumbling like a Texas tumbleweed underneath the bright lights of the big big city of angels supposed to do on his way to making it”
Do what the rest of us do – Yank It!
OK. Really. Good night.
I am always embarrassed in the morning…
Sorry. Sometimes I think I am beyond all hope.
“Ernst Schreiber posted on6/28 @ 11:53 pm
Can China go Greek?
Is there any other choice? What with the scarcity of Chinese women and all”
You DO know about that sideways shit, don’t you?
And don’t EVEN let me get started about that “going Greek” stuff.
OUCH!
It’s borderline psychotic.
That is a good way to describe it.
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/06/28/in-the-race-maverick-palin-still-mum-on-her-intentions/
The film did not broach Palin’s aspirations for 2012, though one segment was titled, “I Can See November From My House.”
Those Iowans seemed to like the film as much as Jeff did.
(Yellow)
Me? I’m Jade.
I still maintain by the time the election rolls around, a gibbering chimp could beat Barrak Hussein Obama. I’d say having two similar candidates is redundant but then I’d be forced to denounce myself.
As before, it appears happyfeets has set a higher bar for his female candidates than the male ones. Probably so they don’t look like cumsluts.
Nothing sexist about that. Move along.
RT @abefroman “I really don’t have any interest in discussing Palin around here anymore. But I am a little curious as to how someone like happyfeet can relentlessly take steaming dumps on the woman while offering up the “detached, clinical observation” that she’s covered in shit. It’s borderline psychotic.”
“covered in shit”, ‘feet’s sex life? NTTAWWT.
serr8d/abe f.
Don’t ask, don’t tell.
Slart the only bar I have against Palin is that the most salient feature of her record is that she’s a quitty half-termer, and this is a feature what makes her an extremely bad bet. Especially conjoined with her extraordinarily high negatives. She’s a sure loser and a distraction at a time when Obama needs must be repudiated.
She’s would also have the slightest experience and record of any Team R nominee in history. In this I see Team R following the dirty socialists’ lead in lowering the bar for presidential qualification in favor of cheap manufactured celebrified empty calories.
*She* would also I mean
If Palin is in-and it’s looking like she might be- I will do everything in my power, limited though it may be, to get her elected. However, I’m fairly certain that the greatest opposition to a Palin presidency won’t be from the Obamabots. They’re a known quantity. What I want to see is how much of the establishment GOP lines up against her. James Joyner over at Squishes Outside the Beltway, said a couple of years ago that it was not impossible for Palin to win the GOP nomination, but if she did, he’d be “forced to look elsewhere”. And there are a whole lot a more like him out there, people who would rather go straight to hell than vote for Caribou Barbie.
[an affirmative action] faculty lounge president…
…who’s forever bumming smokes.
Also, not to forget the amazingly shaven Colin Powell.
‘feets, your agenda-bar, however well-masked you try to disguise it, is obvious to me, and others. To try to paint it all multi-hued ‘pretty’ like Lady GarGoyle’s hair is insulting and disingenuous.
Just come right out and say it: you hate religion, you hate SoCons, you hate anything that dares contradict your sexuality and the easing of it into mainstream culture.
That’s it, nutshelled.
*the most salient feature of her record is that she’s a quitty half-termer,*
So you’ve rejected all the logical and well parsed explanations about why she quit? I mean, its been explained and it made sense to me at the time and now but you’re saying you just don’t believe her? And in keeping with that, you think she may just “quit” the campaign or “quit” the presidency? If anything, her ability to weather the shitstorm of negative media attention and exposure after the election speaks far more about her intestinal fortitude then any negatives she incurred by leaving office after the left made it clear they were going to do everything they could to ruin her term of office?
#185
Now if you replace ‘Palin’ with ‘Obama’in those two paragraphs you’d have something.
She is, in almost all aspects, head and shoulders above the current resident. And if she hadn’t had been sued within an inch of her economic life she would have served out her term as gov.
BTW She’s not Team R. She’s Team TEA. It’s her conservatism that appeals to voters, not her ‘R’ism.
I will vote for Caribou Barbie and even Michelle Bachmann against bumble Mr. Geek but my whole life I will never vote for Romney
but if the electoral college system is at all intact come 2012 it won’t matter really cause california is a lot still safely in column O
There was an errant “?” in my last sentence. It was a declarative statement. Punctuation is not my friend.
the only bar I have against Palin is that …
Bullshit. I’ve lost count of the various angles you’ve taken in obsessively attacking her.
So you’ve rejected all the logical and well parsed explanations about why she quit?
a lot of them yeah I have rejected. But more importantly I think it’s a damaged goods thing what will have to be explained again and again and in a campaign, when you’re explaining, you’re losing.
Here we go with the “perception is reality” bit again. Oy.
if she hadn’t had been sued within an inch of her economic life
Mr. Mueller is there any evidence she ever paid a dime of legal bills with her own monies? That would be good to know just for the record. I think it’s very likely given her many fans that her (second) legal defense fund took care of all of it.
So let the James Joyner types vote for Obama, then. Or go libertarian third party. Thing is, Palin governs like a libertarian, only one who is strong on defense.
See? Doesn’t matter how many times he’s told otherwise: that’s the cartoon and he’ll stick to it.
Having seen the film and spoken to the director — whom I’ll be interviewing here soon — I can tell you that happyfeet’s version of who Palin is, which just so happens to line up happily with the establishment GOP version (now that they don’t need her to inject life into their chosen candidates dying campaign, which he would have one, had he not panicked), is a complete fabrication and in no way resembles Palin or her record.
She isn’t someone who’s been reared from birth to be a politician. She came at it the right way — starting with the PTA, then dragging her little town into modernity by growing it, bringing in jobs and business, before taking on a sitting governor and his corruption and thoroughly whipping both he and a former governor, after which she got done in 18 months what most governors won’t ever get done in 3 or 4 terms — and she has always, always, always put her constituency first.
The idea that she quit to enrich herself is bullshit. It’s bogus. It isn’t true. And the people who know her — or who don’t know her, but have examined her life and record to find out about her — all say that.
So. You can believe them, or you can believe those who you KNOW wish to see her permanently marginalized.
Well, happy said he would vote for her if she is the nominee. Maybe happy can move to Ohio or Florida to make his vote really count.
I woke up in the middle of the night wondering what Wade Rathke is up to these days.
Bottom line?
I think that many are unhappy that a beautiful American woman has bigger balls than they do.
How DARE she?
Palin quit to enrich herself and to claim otherwise is hopeless naivete. We’re a capitalist society, so who wouldn’t do a job that entails less effort for ten times the moolah? If she wanted to be Prez, she’d have stayed gov’r and not run off to be a reality tv star. Forget her and focus on Bachmann Overdrive. Michelle Bachmann is the working class Sarah Palin.
Simply of “sterling” character.
Michelle Bachmann is the working class Sarah Palin.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, that’s too rich!
Listen, kids — Bachmann’s a lawyer who lives on a golf course in West Lakeland. I suppose “tax attorney” may qualify as a dirty job in some people’s minds, but still I struggle to picture Bachmann up to her elbows in salmon guts. Don’t get me wrong — as far as I’m concerned, she’s US Grant. “I can’t spare this woman; she fights.” I just think it’s silly to pretend that she’s some kind of working-class hero.
(It’s ‘Michele Bachmann,’ by the way. One L, two Ns.)
Not according to the guy who just spent a long time putting together a film on her — nor according to those close to her administration. But perhaps you know better, who knows.
As for the idea that Michelle Bachmann is a “working class Sarah Palin,” uh, one is a lawyer with an advanced degree, the other worked on a fishing boat and married a blue collar union guy, and settled in Wasilla Alaska.
Team R’s second nominee was a hillbilly who basically quit his first stint in elective office. You may have heard of him.
One might argue that anyone who cares enough to make a film about the woman might be a bit biased towards her. If it’s not a hit piece then it will cast her in a positive light. Nobody’s neutral. I would ask you to consider the following situation:
Obama loses the race in 2008. Under investigation in the Senate, he quits his job. He leaves Chicago for Arizona, where he writes “Dreams of my Father II: Electric Boogaloo,” and stars in a reality show called “Barack and Michelle’s America.” Sasha and Malia appear on Dancing With the Stars.
How many people here would say “he didn’t quit because things got tough to cash in, he’s simply doing what he can to ‘strengthen the Liberal brand,’ and this is an excellent way to position himself for a run in 2012. He already achieved more in his 18 months as a Senator than most achieve in their full term, so the fact that he left is no big deal.” I would guess that very few Conservatives would say that. Am I wrong?
Sterling —
Is Palin a good Christian?
Consider the following:
Obama loses the race in 2008. Returning home, GOP operatives, given that the laws of the state allow that any letter written in complaint of a government official is considered an “ethics complaint”, start a campaign of frivolous ethics complaints, all subsequently dismissed as lacking merit, against Mr Obama (who, let’s say for the sake of argument isn’t a flush Chicago pol with connections to the state machinery, and whose wife hadn’t received high paying appointments simply for being his wife; and let’s also stipulate that, as of yet, he hadn’t received a ton of money for two autobiographies he may or may not have written himself), and his state doesn’t pay for his legal fees. He quits his job of voting either for other people’s money or “present” and cashes in by writing yet a third autobiography — I Was A Teenage Marxist — and appears on posters and t-shirts with the legend, “WELL, THEN. I GUESS WE CAN’T”.
Would you still support him should he manage to withstand all that and still be a strong voice for hope and change and a fundamental transformation of American society? Of course you would. Because you aren’t fooling anyone.
It isn’t clear sterling that you have the equipment to judge whether you are wrong or merely silly, or whether, should you conclude you were wrong as opposed to silly, you could work through the sequelae to see what to do about it. So your hypothetical most likely won’t help either you or us.
Obama loses the race in 2008. Under investigation in the Senate, he quits his job.
Under investigation for what, Sterling? If he quit because he was under investigation for criminal activities, and he figured resigning was better than being found guilty, then I’d say he was a crook. If he quit because he was under constant harassment for “infractions” that weren’t ever proven, but which showed no signs of ever ceasing, and which kept him from being able to perform his duties of office while at the same time bankrupting him and tearing apart his family, I might have more sympathy.
So which is it, Sterling? Senate investigations for actual misdeeds, or relentless political harassment designed solely to ruin his life and destroy his family?
One might do that if one were terribly stupid.
Fixed.
If you redefine half to mean two-thirds, that might add some accuracy.
Quitty? You’re in, what, fourth grade?
So what I’m gathering is that you would indeed castigate Obama rightfully if he did very much the same as Sarah. Why does Sarah doing it make it perfectly acceptable, nay, admirable? Do not let her charisma blind you to her unfitness. Even Bill Clinton didn’t quit when he was being fired on from all sides.
Lemme get this straight — the community pushes back on your loaded questions, your deceptive hypotheticals, and your facile characterizations, and from this you “gather” that we agree with you?
I guess I really should have written you off the moment you classified tax attorney/politician as “working class.” That’ll teach me to extend the benefit of the doubt.
Damn sterling, no-one demanded you further prove your incompetence. You could have simply left it as it stood.
if you redefine half to mean two-thirds
but then you have to subtract the six months she spent fecklessly campaigning
oh. I guess it was more like 2 months campaigning.
It felt longer.
That’s a good point; Bill Clinton did only serve half of his last term.
So: quitty.
Let’s revisit your earlier hypotheticals, Sterling. If, after stepping down from the Senate for what we’ll assume are noble reasons, Barack and Michelle do their America reality show. Is their appearance in this show done primarily as a publicity stunt/get-rich-quick scheme, or is it done in an attempt to humanize their family and to rehabilitate their reputation after the terribly unfair coverage of the Senate investigations turned them into cartoons who were the punchline of every late-night monologue? To what extent would the latter motivation excuse the former, in your eyes? Would you still begrudge them for “cashing in” on their notoriety if they used the proceeds from the show to pay off the crushing legal debts they were saddled with after their Senate railroading?
You know what really irks me? The fact that because I don’t buy into the standard “she ran out and cashed in” narrative, drones like
barrettgray sterlingbrownsterlinggray condescendingly sneer at my hopeless naivety and/or my weak-minded membership in some cult of personality.Never mind that these same rocket surgeons bought HopenChange hook, line and sinker.
Then you’d have to subtract all the campaign-times that every other political candidate spent that wasn’t even more quitty.
Sterling can’t make distinctions. It’s like, the Palestinians fire on the Israelis and the Israelis retaliate: BOTH ARE AGGRESSORS, A POX ON BOTH THEIR HOUSES (THOUGH THE POWERFUL ISRAELIS SHOULD REALLY BE HELD MORE TO ACCOUNT…).
I always find that kind of very unnuanced thinking — described always as nuanced — fascinating.
The fools mostly harm themselves and only us very indirectly, not to say inconsequentially, at least to the extent we all end up in their poorly governed boat. But the sneering stuff is absolutely dismissable, as without effect on us, redounding solely to them. Though even engaging to the degree we’ve done here may be an unjustifiable waste of time.
You know who else was quitty? Gerald Ford.
By this standard Obama has yet to have any executive or legislative experience.
[…] Me? In 2012 I’m looking for real change… […]
yes obama is disturbingly unqualified for the office of the presidency
Palin’s experience isn’t very significant either though. Especially compared to people what have way way more experience. The more experience the person has what you compare Sarah’s experience to, the more inexperienced she looks by comparison.
The experience thing was something I thought Mr. Daniels pretty much had in his pocket. But he turned his back on our little country in its time of need.
Wow, #215 may have been the most ignorant reply…well, ever. sterling, buddy, cite where anyone, outside of your head, agreed with your premise.
Mr. Daniels? Isn’t he the governor of a state that has a population of, like, less than LA or something?
That’s equivalent to managing a WalMart. Or a cupcake shoppe what sells tasty tasty red velvet treatses.
You know who’s got lots of experience? That nice Mr. Romney fellow.
[…] Me? In 2012 I’m looking for real change… […]
Indiana has more pipples than Los Angeles I think it is a rather large state
Romney is uncompelling for reasons having to do primarily with his dirty socialist health cares but also cause of he looks like an 80s Sears catalog model
hungry now
Experience is like credentials, something to put in a frame on the wall. They both must be viewed in the light of what the person has actually done in gaining them, the effect they have had in the world at large. The 60 year old regional office manager at the DMV has tons more executive experience than most anyone in the world. Doesn’t mean shit unless without the knowing what have they accomplished with it.
Indiana is tiny tiny tiny. You could fit over 18 Indianas inside Alaska if you were willing to use a chainsaw.
And Indiana is full of people who use 70s Sears catalogs to decorate the inside of their pink houses.
But there are about 6,000,000 of them and maybe 3,800,000 within the ciudad limits of El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles (9,700,000 if you include the surrounding environs).
“15. Indiana – 6,313,520“
In that case, that delightful Mr. Huntsman has gobs of experience!
Not to mention, he’s terribly civil — and he demands we be so, too.
y’all are just gonna have to trust me on some of this
Villaraigosa for President 2012! 58.7% as experienced as Mitch Daniels, but 544% more experienced than some frost-bitten snowbilly we could name!
But you know who didn’t have any experience governing at all? Mr. Abraham Lincoln, that’s who. Oh, there was that 2 years in the state legislature, but even Sarah Palin had more experience than that.
Sorry, that’s just never going to happen.
Maybe if you wrote “fer sure” at the end of all the sentences you wanted us to take seriously, then…no, still not going to happen.
there are none so blind as those what stared at the sun too long even though their mom told them not to
This is the voice of esperience, I’m betting.
[…] Goldstein on Palin: That so many of our “own” have accepted the progressive narrative — or even if they don’t accept its veracity, they accept that it prior effectiveness renders Palin unrecoverable as a national political figure — is hugely dispiriting: because Palin is a political force the likes of which we haven’t seen in quite some time in the national GOP. But not only is she a threat to the left — which is why the Obama campaign went after her and let the feckless, bumbling McCain “maverick” himself to dithering, impotent defeat — she is a threat to every establishment government type whose entire life is wrapped up in how to run ours while winning themselves power and profit. […]