16 Replies to “The irrepressible John Cole”

1. Hal says:

   June 27, 2004 at 12:45 am

   Just so I get the argument straight:

   Because some private people submitted entries to a contest which compared Bush to Hitler, it’s all right for the President of the United States to use these entries to smear John Kerry.  Further, all the other “lies” the democrats have told about Iraq (whatever they are) is justification for Cheney saying “fuck you” (or something rude like that, the story varies) to a Senator who’s investigating Cheney in an incident completely unrelated to the war – i.e. a conflict of interest investigation.

   The only reason Bush has those images in his ad is to portray all democrats as blithering idiots.  If this is the level of debate that you think is appropriate, then it seems like people need to adjust their metrics.

   I mean, people who write blogs don’t like to be characterized by the moon bats that comment on them – even if they agree with the blog author.  And characterizing Moveon.org by these two entries by people who aren’t even part of the organization is really low.  To make matters worse, the frickin’ President of the United States is now doing it.

   It’s a slime.  Period.  A negative, highly misleading ad of the first order.

   Really, is this where we get to slug it out?  This is where the debate sinks to?  Well, if this is the case (and Cole certainly seems to think it is), then one really shouldn’t get on a high horse when confronted by the response of the bitch slapping being handed out.  Seems to me that John Kerry is now justified in using FreeRepublic and even the nice doggy as valid representatives of the entire right wing and the President, himself.

   Yep, going to be just a wonderful summer, filled with uplifting debate and intellectual discussions.

2. Jeff G says:

   June 27, 2004 at 12:54 am

   Not particularly interested in pursuing this beyond saying that I think you miss the point, which is that Kerry is screaming about images in an ad that were solicited by an organization he affiliates himself with.  I don’t know that George Bush affiliates himself with Misha or the Freepers.

   Also, his complaint comes a day after Al Gore calls a whole host of people “digital brownshirts.” Irony.  Glorious, hysterical, wonderful, honey-dipped fucking irony.

   Re:  Cheney, I like when people use profanity, so what he said doesn’t bother me—and that he hasn’t backed down from it impresses me—but others on my side of the isle have criticized Cheney (see my Malkin link below).  Still, in the scheme of things, it’s more pleasant to be told to fuck off than it is to be called a Nazi, I think.

3. Robin Roberts says:

   June 27, 2004 at 3:19 am

   Hal, Glenn already has you put down.  Its not “some private people”, its mainstream Democrats like Al Gore.

4. Paul Zrimsek says:

   June 27, 2004 at 4:48 am

   Why, Kerry would never, ever associate himself with extremists!

5. Misha I says:

   June 27, 2004 at 7:41 am

   Just one additional note:

   The day the weak-kneed administration chooses to use me as a representative for or affiliate of their “hug the terrorists” and “let’s do all we can not to offend people who saw off peoples’ heads with blunt knives” approach to terrorism will be the day that I’ll bloody well sue them for slander and libel.

   So kindly don’t compare me with Colin and Friends, Hal, it’s almost as offensive an insult as calling me a Nazi.

6. Hal says:

   June 27, 2004 at 2:23 pm

   Misha, given your written record, I don’t think you should be calling any Kettle black.

   But in retrospect, I actually think this little game y’all are playing will backfire massively.  Bush has run a non-stop negative campaign and has barely managed to keep his head above water.  If y’all want to start slinging the mud in some wild eyed attempt to push down the democrats, rather than build yourselves up, I say “have at it”.  I’m pretty sure that all the frothing at the mouth will play very well in the battle ground states.

   Speaking from my own experience, my own parents – evangelical Christian republicans in Colorado – have had enough of the current administration.  They’re either going to vote Nader (which at this point doesn’t even look like he’s going to be a player) or they’re going to stay home and refuse to vote – something they have never done before.

   So, have fun fighting straw men.  The highest office that Moore will ever attain will be Best Director.  I’m sure all that energy spent on tearing the man down will only drive even more people to see his movie.

   Brilliant strategy, really.

7. Jeff G says:

   June 27, 2004 at 3:08 pm

   ”The highest office that Moore will ever attain will be Best Director. I’m sure all that energy spent on tearing the man down will only drive even more people to see his movie.

   Brilliant strategy, really.”

   Thanks.  I actually want people to see Moore’s movie (just not pay to see it).  And, if while they’re watching it they begin to think, “gee, that rhino-hipped lardgoblin sure must like canoles,” I’ll know I’ve done my job.

8. Misha I says:

   June 27, 2004 at 9:37 pm

   But in retrospect, I actually think this little game y’all are playing will backfire massively. Bush has run a non-stop negative campaign and has barely managed to keep his head above water.

   No offense, but I think my irony meter just took out half of Dallas county.

   I’ll go tend to the wounded now.

9. Hal says:

   June 28, 2004 at 12:05 am

   And, if while they’re watching it they begin to think, “gee, that rhino-hipped lardgoblin sure must like canoles,”

   Yea, that’ll make them run out to register Republican.

   “No offense, but I think my irony meter just took out half of Dallas county.”

   Yea, I’m sure it does that often, Misha.  Just keep up the good work, man.  We’re counting on ya.

10. Jeff G says:

    June 28, 2004 at 12:17 am

    ”Yea, that’ll make them run out to register Republican.”

    Who says I want them to register Republican?  I just want ‘em to think of Michael Moore as a the lard-guzzling king of calzones.

11. Robin Roberts says:

    June 28, 2004 at 1:06 am

    So check my math.  That’s twice that Misha’s not-so-subtle point went over Hal’s head?

    Oh, and I did enjoy your insinuation Hal, that the opposite of believing Moore’s lies and tripe is not something like contributing to useful and effective political discourse but instead *horror* registering Republican.  It put you in context for me very well.

12. Hal says:

    June 28, 2004 at 4:39 am

    Yea Misha’s as subtle as a 10 kiloton nuclear bomb. 

    I’m glad Jeff just wants to think of Moore as a fat bastard.  Really, it’s just the high brow thing that you’d come to expect from the right these days.  What’s the point?  The guy’s got a weight problem and we want to ridicule him for it?  Geez.  Again, what’s the frickin’ point?  Ridicule for the sake of ridicule?  Picking on the fat guy to get some taste of what it must have been like to be a high school tough?  It’s beyond my simple, liberal brain to comprehend. . .

    And Mr. Roberts, I wasn’t pointing out the *horror* of registering Republican.  Just the *horror* of discarding someone’s point of view because he’s fat.  Something I guess the cranial advantaged on the right seem to take exquisite joy in doing.

13. Jeff G says:

    June 28, 2004 at 4:47 am

    ”Really, it’s just the high brow thing that you’d come to expect from the right these days. What’s the point? The guy’s got a weight problem and we want to ridicule him for it? Geez. Again, what’s the frickin’ point? Ridicule for the sake of ridicule? Picking on the fat guy to get some taste of what it must have been like to be a high school tough? It’s beyond my simple, liberal brain to comprehend. . .”

    None of those reasons, Hal.

    Explained (obliquely) here, just a few posts up.  Or, if you prefer a more straightforward explanation, I put one in the comments here.

14. bg says:

    June 28, 2004 at 7:07 pm

    So I read your 2 defenses of fat jokes and all I can say is that it makes me take you less seriously. I guess that’s just as well since you don’t seem like you even want to be taken seriously.

    cheers.

15. Jeff G says:

    June 28, 2004 at 7:09 pm

    …And yet you cared enough to post. Thank you!

    As to the rest…well, try to guess whether or not I give a care if you take me seriously or not.

16. SS says:

    June 29, 2004 at 12:27 am

    OOOOO! OOOOO!  Mr. Kotter! Mr. Kotter!  I know the answer !  It’s ‘no.’ Isn’t it?

Comments are closed.