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"All Fukushima Daini units in cold shutdown"

From World Nuclear News:

All four units at the Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant have now achieved cold shutdown – where coolant water is at less than 100ºC – with full operation of cooling systems, Tepco reported. All the reactors shut down automatically during last week’s earthquake and have remained safe. While unit 3’s shutdown went as expected, damage to the emergency core cooling systems of units 1, 2 and 4 led to the announcement of emergency status. These three reactors were prepared for potential pressure release, but this was never required. Unit 1 announced cold shutdown at 1.24 am on 14 March and unit 2 followed at 3.52 am. Tepco has now announced that unit 4 achieved cold shutdown at 7.15 pm on 15 March. Water levels are now stable in all four reactors and offsite power is available, the company said.

One down, one (Daiici) to go.

Which is great news if you’re able to bracket out the sad reality that your dream for a countryside peopled by mutant teenage ninja cheerleader zombies all but dies with cold shutdown.

And by “your,” I of course mean “my”.

(h/t Joe)

102 Replies to “"All Fukushima Daini units in cold shutdown"”

  1. Blake says:

    I suppose this means no vagina bubbles from hell, either.

  2. newrouter says:

    it’ll be a bummer for shemp if this thing is resolved and he has to go back to counting the bodies washing ashore and no looting. sh*t ” i could dat from nyc” says shemp.

  3. newrouter says:

    i don’t think that this type of “diversity” is wanted by the mbm. no good mayhem to show.

  4. Joe says:

    Blake, the vagina bubbles from hell was awesome. Arigatou gozaimasu, TaiChiWawa.

  5. Joe says:

    There are still problems at some of the nearby plants. http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/ But I am not getting upset over a lack of nuclear disaster.

  6. Stephanie says:

    That’s teenage mutant ninja midget cheerleader zombies… cause nothing says WINNING like enjoying 6 inch cheerleaders blowing hot air through megaphones standing in a forest of pubes worshiping phalli. Except on Japanese pron of course.

  7. Swen says:

    It’s not a dream. From what I’ve seen lately at the malls it appears that most teenagers are mutant zombies. [sigh] And I’m beginning to sound like my grandmother.

  8. Pablo says:

    That’s all good, but what’s up with the spent fuel at #4? Tell me that’s under control and I’ll feel a lot better.

    The people who’ve been wrasslin’ this mess are incredible studs. God bless ’em.

  9. newrouter says:

    fox news sux: between hannity and shemp talking about nosense:
    hey we have vid of shit blowing up!!11!!

  10. newrouter says:

    “Tell me that’s under control and I’ll feel a lot better. ”

    1/2 million japs in shelters don’t care

  11. Benedick says:

    1/2 millions japs in shelters? Voluntarily? Shit, why all the noise about Korematsu?

  12. Stephanie says:

    MegaPalin has spoken.

    About the $4.00 gas and lack of energy policy. I haven’t seen a comment on facebook, but she tweeted on the Japanese crisis. Then some fool took offense for her labeling it “turbulent times.” :eyeroll:

  13. Pablo says:

    1/2 million japs in shelters don’t care

    Yeah, I get that. But there’s still pretty big stakes behind whether or not they lose containment here. I’ll like it a lot better if they don’t.

  14. dref says:

    >There are still problems at some of the nearby plants.<

    Like what? The site you link to, and nothing I've heard and read says anything of the kind. There is a fire at one of this plants multiple units. Are you sure you're not misinterpreting multiple _units_ as multiple _plants?_

    Anyway, you'll know what will happen though, the greenies and the doomsayers will say it's all a lie and then spend the next 60 years trying to prove every cancer death in the area as being caused by radiation.

    Update: It's starting already. Some dumbass came on O'Reilly just now and played up all the supposed 'skepticism' that things are under control. Skepticism = greenie disappointment. Oh, he brings up being a "veteran" of Three Island Mile. Like that means crap. What, because you covered TMI you're a nuclear expert now? Bad example anyway, as the doomsayers and "skeptics" were proven spectacularly wrong that TMI was a disaster. Other than financially it was a total non-disaster.

  15. SteveG says:

    #6

    They sell those in vending machines… the pom poms are a nice upgrade and worth the extra $$$.
    Or so I’ve heard.

  16. newrouter says:

    “But there’s still pretty big stakes behind whether or not they lose containment here. I’ll like it a lot better if they don’t.”

    the spent fuel rods and the reactors are 2 different concerns.

  17. Benedick says:

    Way OT. In which one of my liberal FB friends demonstrates the value that educated liberals bring to political discourse.

    U.S. Stung By Latest Undercover Sting
    reason.com
    Exposing the truth about Barack Obama’s presidency
    http://reason.com/archives/2011/03/15/us-stung-by-latest-undercover
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    James XXXXXXXXX: how is this a hoax? I think it’s called getting elected.. sorry you don’t like him, get over it
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    [Benedick]: Jim. It’s satire. Take a deep breath.
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    James XXXXXXXXX: sorry, with the way the right-wing spin/smear machine is it’s hard to tell sometimes.. personally I prefer the onion & south park for my satire..
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    [Benedick: Well it’s good to hear the machine is firing on all cylinders. For what it’s worth I generally prefer NPR for my satire.

  18. dref says:

    >That’s all good, but what’s up with the spent fuel at #4? Tell me that’s under control and I’ll feel a lot better.<

    By 'spent fuel' you mean what exactly? There is no spent fuel. The only problem at #4 is a fire. The fire is around an area of a *spare* fuel tank, but there is no leak and I'm once whatever radiation is around it dies down they will go in there and put it out.

    Of course, fires do make good fodder for the haters. 'OMIGOD, A FIRE! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!'

  19. dref says:

    By ‘spent fuel’ you mean what exactly? There is no spent fuel. The only problem at #4 is a fire. The fire is around an area of a *spare* fuel tank, but there is no leak and I’m sure once whatever radiation is around it dies down they will go in there and put it out.

    Of course, fires do make good fodder for the haters. ‘OMIGOD, A FIRE! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!’

    As for any damaged fuel rods, it’s irrelevant right now because they are still within their containment fields and the reactors are in shutdown.

  20. Stephanie says:

    #4 reactor isn’t operational. That is where they were storing the spent fuel rods from the other containment covered reactors. Since they were using it’s cooling pool for storage, it doesn’t have the same containment covering on it. The fire there is not in a spare fuel tank, but in a spare reactor acting as a cooling pool for used fuel rods. The used fuel rods got jiggled around in the EQ and the coolant pool is now losing water as steam. The lack of water over the idle spent rods is a problem. A bigger problem as it doesn’t have the candy shell to prevent the chocolate from getting on your hands.

  21. dref says:

    “sorry you don’t like him, get over it.”

    Tell this guy, “Right, you mean like how liberals got over Bush being elected twice?”

    Sorry, when Obama got elected with the help of illegal funds, fraud and lies I refuse to “get over it.”

    His comment about a “right wing/spin machine” is the adult equivalent of a child sticking his/her fingers in their ears and screaming when they don’t want to hear something unpleasant.

    Admit it “James”, your sacred liberal cows were busted being assholes. It’s the libs like you who claim otherwise who are doing the spinning.

  22. newrouter says:

    “There is no spent fuel.”

    yes there is:

    “Update at 8:44 p.m. ET: There’s growing concern that the spent fuel rods at the No. 4 reactor at the Daiichi plant could reach “criticality” again and restart a nuclear chain reaction. Tokyo Electric Power Co. now says it might use helicopers to drop boric acid on the exposed fuel rods outside the plant, which was offline before Friday’s earthquake and tsunami. During normal operations, boron rods are used to control the nuclear reactions inside a reactor.”

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/03/new-fire-reported-at-fukushima-reactor-no-4/1

  23. serr8d says:

    I’m following the Reuters live feed. More of a pajamas feel to it, with none of the moronic talking heads.

  24. Pablo says:

    the spent fuel rods and the reactors are 2 different concerns.

    Yes, they are. Both have implications.

  25. newrouter says:

    “Yes, they are. Both have implications.”

    sure but the spent fuel is at atmospheric press. and needs water circ. while the reactor is pressurized and needs venting. effin’ electricity for pumps is helpful.

  26. newrouter says:

    i wonder why generators are not on site at this time to power the pumps to cool these units down. this is the problem. and don’t tell me about plugs that don’t fit: splice them idiots.

  27. Stephanie says:

    The wirings and stuff were probably damaged/corroded in the sea water infused tsunami as I read somewhere that the designers put the electrical stuff in some stupid low lying location that would be prone to flooding.

  28. newrouter says:

    fail: greta/fox lead: tsunami vid talk over RADIATION CRISES then to shemp.

    internet not pr pukes

  29. newrouter says:

    “The wirings and stuff were probably damaged/corroded in”

    cut cable “a” device, cut cable “b”device. join cable a to cable b easy peasy. this stuff ain’t global warming.

  30. Pablo says:

    By ‘spent fuel’ you mean what exactly? There is no spent fuel. The only problem at #4 is a fire. The fire is around an area of a *spare* fuel tank, but there is no leak and I’m sure once whatever radiation is around it dies down they will go in there and put it out.

    Um, no. I’m looking at “Spent Fuel Integrity” and seeing “SFP level low, injecting water”. I think I’m more worried about containment right now than I have been since this started. I’ll feel a lot better when I know they’ve got the containment pool full and cooling at #4.

  31. Pablo says:

    i wonder why generators are not on site at this time to power the pumps to cool these units down. this is the problem. and don’t tell me about plugs that don’t fit: splice them idiots.

    They did. The indigenous stuff got swamped by the tsunami. They’ve been playing catch up, very fucking admirably, ever since.

  32. Stephanie says:

    Plus, it’s not like they can choo-choo the backups down there or send a long haul trucker with the parts. The choo-choos aren’t running much at all (subject to blackouts and only to just north of Tokyo where the tracks got washed out) and the roads aren’t exactly in solid condition.

    Could they fly them in by copter? Hell if I know, but the no fly zone keeps expanding and if they did, they have to land somewhere outside of ground zero and then the backups would still need to be lifted, carted and placed which they may not have the heavy machinery on location to do. Guess they could chopper in some loaders and stuff though they would need the big Russian copters to do it. Would you volunteer to man that flight?

  33. newrouter says:

    “They did. The indigenous stuff got swamped by the tsunami.”

    yes of course. my thought were to why new back ups were not being brought to the site. logistics in an emergency.

  34. SteveG says:

    Choo-choo from a vending machine takes a platinum card

  35. Stephanie says:

    I love the smell of gyros. Burnt Goat? Not so much.

    We’re going on four weeks now, or more, that Barack Obama has been reading My Pet Goat. – John Podhertz

  36. newrouter says:

    “Could they fly them in by copter? ”

    yes they could at this time. and there is a carrier group positioned off shore to take an existing generator(S) to the site. they may be doing this but i don’t know. just positing available choices

  37. newrouter says:

    “Would you volunteer to man that flight?”

    @ 12,000 miles, it is not about me. rather try to rectify the problem. you ready for apollo 13?

  38. newrouter says:

    oh just want to say that in a 1st world culture like japan there is a redundancy built in that only needs some thought about where such things are located. you can move those chips up to eliminate a pressing problem.

  39. Stephanie says:

    They ruled out choppering in the water to put out the fire (think California wildfires) as too hazardous for the choppers and crews. The area fit for landing that is close enough to the reactors is too close for a blast wave if they go boom again. I think they don’t have the proper loading equipment on site to move anything from very far away as it was damaged/swept out in the tsunami.

    And yes there is a carrier group just offshore, but they have been repositioning to stay out of the radiation. You really think O is gonna give the go ahead to actually use one of their choppers (which are probably not large enough anyways – Sarcovski’s or whatever they are called are BFDs) and have it deliberately move into the radiation zone? LOL

  40. Bob Reed says:

    By tomorrow, the USS Tortuga, along with the rest of the Essex Amphibious Ready Group, will be arriving on station off of Japan to take part in the aid mission already underway.

    Part of their aircraft complement are MH-53E Super Stallions, awesome indeed among US whirlygigs…

    If I recall, their payload capability is on the order of 15 tons…

    That covers a vast range of items.

  41. John Bradley says:

    “Apparently” it’s back to “we’re all gonna die” status.

    (And by “we”, I of course mean “them”. And by “all” I mean maybe some Japanese dude will get crushed by another crane, or fall in a hole, or something.)

    Still, Kyodo News is saying the situation has “worsened considerably”. And a Washington think-tank of some sort is saying “level 7 disaster, all the way baby!” or some such.

    Word out of Tokyo is that Shep Smith has put on his best frowny-face. Reports of radioactive, cannibalistic rape-gangs are as of yet unconfirmed. But we’ll report ’em anyway!

  42. Bob Reed says:

    And the Navy has already been flying missions for the last few days; the crews and their aircraft have been “cleaned up” (NBC protocal) once arriving back on board the carrier. But the Essex ARG has much larger helos than are currently on station…

  43. Stephanie says:

    That was part of my point, Bob. The usual complement on a Carrier is not large-ass mechanized haulers.

    Yes, they have been flying helo missions, but they are mostly operating in the Sendai and points north areas – well north of the reactors at any event. They spent part of the first two days just ferrying shit from Okinawa to Japanese bases farther north just to reposition staff and supplies for the search and rescue and humanitarian ops. Those were mostly Hueys from what I could tell.

  44. newrouter says:

    “The area fit for landing that is close enough to the reactors is too close for a blast wave if they go boom again.”

    the boom is from the reactors not the cooling ponds. it helps if (no slam on you) people know what the eff they are talking about.

  45. Stephanie says:

    The reactors contain cooling ponds do they not? Isn’t the cooling pond supposed to keep the rods covered in water inside the containment pod and thus cooled? And when the water turns to steam from heat buildup the pond evaporates and needs an… infusion of water to keep the rods covered and thus cooled.

    Excuse me, but this might help… http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/japan-nuclear-reactors-and-seismic-activity/ It even includes pictures.

    The diagrams call the cooling ponds suppression pools. Distinction without a difference. Point being… shit around the area right now has a nasty habit of going boom and they don’t want copters even near the boom possible zone trying to add water to stuff located inside the actual boom zone.

  46. Pablo says:

    Plus, it’s not like they can choo-choo the backups down there or send a long haul trucker with the parts. The choo-choos aren’t running much at all (subject to blackouts and only to just north of Tokyo where the tracks got washed out) and the roads aren’t exactly in solid condition.

    How many people have died in the NUCLEAR FUCKING MELTDOWN???? How many people have died on vanishing high speed rail? I can’t be the only person to have noticed this. Surely, someone in the media…

  47. serr8d says:

    Ruh roh.

    CNN just said all 50-Plant workers left, if ?? this is true, who will keep water on the nuclear fule rods.??

  48. serr8d says:

    From the Reuters live link, above…

    Here’s what we have so far – Workers ordered to leave Fukushima Nuclear plant due to radiation rise – Kyodo, citing nuclear agency

  49. Stephanie says:

    I thought it was that only 50 were left. Out of the original 800.

    See tweet: http://twitter.com/andylevy/statuses/47852031679004672

  50. serr8d says:

    What’s the core root of 50? From the NYT’s description of the ones left behind, I’ll bet none of them would leave if any were staying.

  51. newrouter says:

    “shit around the area right now has a nasty habit of going boom and they don’t want copters even near the boom possible zone trying to add water to stuff located inside the actual boom zone.”

    maybe military people should be exposed to “war like” CONDITIONS. go back to the golf “game”. ease your hysteria.

  52. Stephanie says:

    More cross translation confusion. Or cross posting confusion. Or the press got it wrong confusion. Or the PM is not up to date confusion.

    Sure am glad that Jeffy is running OMG updates above the comment bar each time something is Eleventied!!1!! to the 11th degree by one of us. It’s almost like he cares about having the most up to the second reporting – accuracy and screechyness be damned.

    Cause cautious reporting is just not what a good man would do.

  53. newrouter says:

    what is the half life of a steam/hydrogen explosion from a cooling tank?
    what “radioactive” substances are released?

  54. Stephanie says:

    What fucking hysteria on my part?

    #4 reactor isn’t operational. That is where they were storing the spent fuel rods from the other containment covered reactors. Since they were using it’s cooling pool for storage, it doesn’t have the same containment covering on it. The fire there is not in a spare fuel tank, but in a spare reactor acting as a cooling pool for used fuel rods. The used fuel rods got jiggled around in the EQ and the coolant pool is now losing water as steam. The lack of water over the idle spent rods is a problem. A bigger problem as it doesn’t have the candy shell to prevent the chocolate from getting on your hands.

    This informational post that the ‘spare fuel tank’ description like it’s some kinda gas storage unit that someone mentioned was wrong. Or my subsequent posts that attempted to piss on your parade that the Japanese Aren’t! Doing! Enough! and should like get some stuff in there STAT!!!! and fix it. The doofuses!!!!!!

    Go suck on a blowfish. You’ve done nothing but make pronouncements on what they should be doing and making suggestions that a quick call to the supplier to FEDEX shit off their shelves and voila crisis averted.

  55. newrouter says:

    to the point: what are you talking about?

  56. Stephanie says:

    In polls, people tend to cast blame indiscriminately, but when they actually vote, matters are often clarified. Thus, several readers pointed out the result of an election in Dade County, where an overwhelming 88 percent voted to recall Mayor Carlos Alvarez because he raised taxes in order to fund a 3 percent increase in wages for public employees. Alvarez reportedly is the first public official to be recalled since Gray Davis, but one suspects there are more to come, and soon. Let’s hope this sends a message to politicians in Wisconsin.

    Seems not all is well in Obamaland. Even the pollsters are getting the willies.

  57. newrouter says:

    “The fire there is not in a spare fuel tank, but in a spare reactor acting as a cooling pool for used fuel rods.”

    there ain’t no “spare reactor” here get up to speed on cooling rod storage,
    link

  58. serr8d says:

    Back on the job…

    Japan nuclear agency: Evacuation order of plant workers lifted at 0230 GMT after radiation falls

    I’ll sleep on that.

  59. Stephanie says:

    Umm. This.

    maybe military people should be exposed to “war like” CONDITIONS. go back to the golf “game”. ease your hysteria.

    I have no hysteria. I seriously doubt the folks in charge in Japan would not be exploring every option and have much better knowledge of on the ground “logistics” (your word) capacity and am not the one shooting solutions out my pie hole to cream the faces of the poor government over there cause they aren’t doing the “logistical” steps as outlined by you. Which you then add the comment that “you’re just positing the available choices” seems to imply their acumen ain’t up to your level of acceptability as far as cribbing out their options and such.

  60. newrouter says:

    “Which you then add the comment that “you’re just positing the available choices” seems to imply their acumen ain’t up to your level of acceptability as far as cribbing out their options and such.”

    no war gaming from 12,000 miles away. while you are thinking that

    “but in a spare reactor acting as a cooling pool for used fuel rods.”

    stupid thoughts about the actual situation. stick to golf dear.

  61. Stephanie says:

    I am up to speed on the particulars of how THIS particular plant is/was storing their particular spent fuel rods. We are past the theory and proof designs posted on Science sites and are in real world what is on the ground reality.

    Their fucking spent fuel rods are in an inactive reactor (#4) and that was the current on the ground scenario AT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY at the time of the EQ and tsunami. That inactive reactor was acting as a storage facility for fuel rods.

    Geez. What part of theories on paper are often not reality don’t you understand. Are you in some kind of Socialist stupor whereby theories work 100% in practice and contact with human failings has no adverse effect on the models?

  62. newrouter says:

    it helps to keep the words to mean something like “reactor” and “cooling pond” or “19 hole”

  63. newrouter says:

    “What part of theories on paper are often not reality don’t you understand. ”

    cooling ponds and reactors. know the difference. then let us talk.

  64. SteveG says:

    Why hover your helicopter crews dropping mere buckets of water one at a time when you can get sustained streams on it from ground level?

  65. newrouter says:

    “Their fucking spent fuel rods are in an inactive reactor”

    they have been there for some time dear. years. stick to your golf.

  66. newrouter says:

    yea now might be the time to review: COOLING POND BASICS over to you shemp

  67. Rupert says:

    They may have been trying to actually save some of the reactors so they could be repaired in the near future. It is hard to see the real story of what is going on.
    I do find it funny that no MSM network has brought up the idea of finally storing some of our more hazardous nuclear wast at he site in Nevada. If they aren’t going to us it then Harry should have to give all the money back that went to its construction.

  68. Stephanie says:

    Why do you think the Japanese media are referring to #4 as a “spent fuel pool?” Link

    stupid thoughts about the actual situation. stick to golf dear.

    Usually I’d say it’s hard for a jackass to go off half cocked, but then you must be used to working with subpar equipment.

  69. newrouter says:

    “They may have been trying to actually save some of the reactors so they could be repaired in the near future.”

    that is a problem when you don’t know that these reactors would be shut down within 6 months because they have reached their 40 year limit.

  70. Stephanie says:

    There was media reportage earlier in the day (NPK reporting via Sky News) referring to #4 as a storage unit that was offline when the EQ hit. It was not being used to generate power, but to ‘store’ spent fuel rods. The earlier reportage also indicated the possible increased severity of the problem in #4 was due to the fact that since it was not being used to generate power, some of the containments around found around 1,2 and 3 are not currently in place in #4 and thus the possibility of containment was less than it was for 1,2 and 3.

  71. newrouter says:

    “Why do you think the Japanese media are referring to #4 as a “spent fuel pool?”

    why do you link to an english source saying that the fire isn’t in the fuel rod pool?

    also:”That inactive reactor was acting as a storage facility for fuel rods.”

    no there is a reactor. there is a cooling pond. 2 different things. stay with golf.

  72. newrouter says:

    “(NPK reporting via Sky News) referring to #4 as a storage unit that was offline when the EQ hit. It was not being used to generate power, but to ‘store’ spent fuel rods. ”

    go get ’em jourNOlist majors. ezra klein says that’s old

  73. newrouter says:

    “The earlier reportage also indicated the possible increased severity of the problem in #4 was due to the fact that since it was not being used to generate power, some of the containments around found around 1,2 and 3 are not currently in place in #4 and thus the possibility of containment was less than it was for 1,2 and 3.”

    you got that from shemp smith right? also which plant at Fukushima?

  74. geoffb says:

    Try this if it hasn’t been linked yet.

  75. geoffb says:

    The other ongoing serious issue is with managing the heat dissipation in the spent fuel ponds. These contain old fuel rods from previous reactor operation that are cooling down, on site, immersed in water, which also provides radiation shielding. After a few years of pond cooling, these are transferred to dry storage. The heat in these rods is much less than those of the in-core assemblies, but it is still significant enough as to cause concern for maintaining adequate coverage of the stored fuel and to avoid boiling the unpressurised water. There have been two fires in Unit 4, the first tentatively linked to a failed oil pump, and the second, being of (currently) unknown cause, but the likelihood is that it was linked to hydrogen gas bubbling.

    There appears to have been some exposure of this spent fuel, and radiation levels around this area remain high — making access in order to maintain water levels particularly troublesome. Note that apart from short-lived fission product gases, these radiation sources are otherwise contained within the rods and not particularised in a way that facilitates dispersion. Again, the problems encountered here can be linked to the critical lack of on-site power, with the mains grid still being out of action. As a further precaution, TEPCO is considering spraying the pool with boric acid to minimise the probability of ‘prompt criticality’ events. This is the news item we should be watching most closely today.

    An excellent 2-page fact sheet on the spent fuel pool issues has been produced by the NEI, which can be read here: Used Nuclear Fuel Storage at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant (this includes an explanation of what might happen under various scenarios).

  76. Rupert says:

    nr – you may be right. I know that some of the plants had been upgraded, but could not find details. Our own plants have been operating past their retire dates, and also working more efficiently.
    On a side note – Shemp is my second favorite Stooge. Please no comparisons.

  77. Stephanie says:

    What part of

    The fire there is not in a spare fuel tank, but in a spare reactor acting as a cooling pool for used fuel rods. The used fuel rods got jiggled around in the EQ and the coolant pool is now losing water as steam. The lack of water over the idle spent rods is a problem. A bigger problem as it doesn’t have the candy shell to prevent the chocolate from getting on your hands.

    indicates I said it was “in the pool?”

    I said it was not as dref reported (spare fuel tank) and I was careful to designate it as a spare reactor acting as a cooling pool for storage.

    If you want to parse further, I never indicated where, in the spare reactor housing, the fire was located. Last I saw, they weren’t sure about the fire’s source. Now they are indicating a floor level and other more specific points. The speculation I had seen earlier was that the lack of water in #4 cause the stored rods to produce enough heat to ignite something in the building. I actually didn’t note that as it was ‘speculation.’

    My parsing has been to distinguish the reactors as to what they are/were at the point of the EQ. 1,2 and 3 were not like 4. 1,2 and 3 were being used as and acting as ‘reactors’ in the normal usage of the term – and were on line and active. Unit 4 was a different animal and was being used as and acting as a ‘storage facility’ – which coincidentally doesn’t have the same protections as 1,2 and 3 and thus inactive as far as power production.

  78. Stephanie says:

    According to reporting on Sky News (not shemp), some of the reactors had been upgraded, but I don’t remember if it was the Dai-ones or the Dai-twos or the Tokai ones.

    A rather good updating storyline is actually to be found here. Surprisingly it is not hypercritical of nuclear power as an energy source.

    Go figure.

  79. McGehee says:

    You can’t fight in here! This is the War Room!

  80. geoffb says:

    Fukushima Nuclear Accident – a simple and accurate explanation.

  81. Rupert says:

    Thanks geoffb – Considering the age of these plants they will almost certainly be closed. I’d really like to see a nation go ahead with pebble bead reactors and some of the more modern safety precautions. I see no reason that it can’t work, other than the political opposition.
    *LNG also would seem to provide a great future power alternative; however, I’m not even sure if they are allowed to dock in the U.S.

  82. Stephanie says:

    Thorium Reactors seem like a good viable alternative. Link.

    It’s not like this stuff is rocket science. It’s just that one of the convenient by products of current day reactors was shit that could be used to build a nuke. Other forms of nuclear energy are actually cheaper than the ones currently in use and have a much smaller footprint.

  83. alppuccino says:

    your likability quotient has skyrocketed to Obama levels newrouter!

  84. serr8d says:

    It only takes a minute particulate of airborne plutonium to start a lung cancer.

    Actually, if I’m not mistaken, the plutonium/MOX fuel mixture in Reactor 3 is used specifically because plutonium is created by the use of uranium as fuel in reactors. It is an attempt to re-use waste. So, it is actually correct to presume that every single piece of spent fuel contains some degree of plutonium. This would apply to the spent fuel in all pools, including at #4.

    …from the Reuters live update thinger.

  85. serr8d says:

    Thank you Ross Chainey. For me who worked in the nuclear industry before, the situation is obviously worst in the pools than in the reactors. Pools are storing 20 to 30 years of nuclear fuels still in activity. It is very important to know if these pools are safe, partially emptied or totally dry. I fear that they is no much water now in reactor 1,3, and 4 because in this old reactors the pools are on the top of the building and the explosions of saturday / monday and this morning could have damaged the pool. This is really more serious than the situation inside the core of the reactors. Please ask these questions to the specialists.

    Why the pools are ‘on top’ of the buildings is curious. It’s best to cooperate with gravity, because gravity will never stop yanking at’cha. If these ‘pools’ were punctured, water drains out.

    There’s much to learn from this disaster, to incorporate into future designs. If we are allowed to have a future, that is.

  86. Squid says:

    A few points of clarification (sorry to be so late to the party).

    1) Fukushima Daiini is about 10 miles from Fukushima Daiichi. Daiini shut down as it should have, and nobody is talking about it. When Jeff posted the above, it was in regards to a different reactor complex than the one everyone has been following. This may have been apparent to the readers, but I didn’t see the distinction mentioned above, so I’m mentioning it now.

    2) A suppression pool and a spent fuel storage pool are two very different things. The first is a big donut under the main pressure vessel that is used for bleeding off excess steam and pressure. The second is a big swimming pool located outside the reactor, but within the building. For reference, it is believed that the suppression pool (the donut) in #2 was damaged the other day, and there is great anxiety over the condition, temperature, and water levels in the swimming pool in #4.

    3) To serr8d’s point: I’m not sure that an off-the-cuff comment from “OpinionatedArmchairExpert” is the sort of thing I’d pass along without getting some verification.

  87. serr8d says:

    To serr8d’s point: I’m not sure that an off-the-cuff comment from “OpinionatedArmchairExpert” is the sort of thing I’d pass along without getting some verification.

    But… REUTERS~!!11!1!

  88. Squid says:

    Why the pools are ‘on top’ of the buildings is curious.

    The storage pools are at the top of the reactor assembly because you need to get at them with cranes when you’re fueling/unfueling the reactor. Storing them too far away causes significant issues with transporting them to the reactor assembly at refueling time. You want to minimize the amount of time that the rods are exposed.

  89. serr8d says:

    As a temporary spot, sure, store ’em on top of the reactors. But if they sit there 20-30 years, that’s problematic. Put ’em in a lead condom, eventually, and get ’em as low down as you can. I hear Nevada has a perfect spot…

  90. Jeff G. says:

    Squid —

    I called it one of two and noted Daiici is the other.

  91. Squid says:

    Once they’ve cooled enough to be stable, they’re usually encased and put into dry storage casks for long-term storage. The problem with the #4 pool is that the Daiichi plant had three reactors offline for maintenance, so you’ve got three reactors’ worth of fuel in the pool, plus whatever inventory was cooling down in there to begin with.

    I’m a physics nerd and a nuke geek, so I’m not going to pretend to be objective here, but from my perspective, we’re seeing what happens when everything goes wrong. Earthquake, tidal wave, no electricity, contaminated water, pumps offline/damaged, storage tank unusually full, no transportation, emergency services otherwise occupied, workers distracted by family situations. We’ve got explosions, fires, radiation spikes, idiot newscasters helping anti-nuke “scientists” spread FUD like it’s going out of style, and what I could swear was a brief appearance by Cthulu himself. And yet overall, radiation exposure has been surprisingly modest. I wouldn’t be surprised if the technicians were breaking rules on exposure, and some of them may get sick as a result, but nobody’s glowing in the dark. And this really is the worst-case scenario.

    If these guys pull this off, I hope they all wind up gaining Spider-Man powers. They’ve earned it. If they don’t pull it off, and everything goes pear-shaped, I look forward to many years of sitting in the dark, freezing my ass off while the Brazilians enjoy all their petroleum wealth.

  92. Squid says:

    I saw that you noted it, but I wasn’t sure that the audience was reading closely. At the office, I’ve had any number of cow-orkers see “Fukushima” and think it’s all one and the same.

  93. serr8d says:

    Someone should contrast and compare, eloquently, that these 50 workers who are staying behind to work their asses off and trying not to think of what the future might hold for them personally are certainly not Fleebaggers. Nor are they as the little prezzident man and his staff, undecided and unsure, when confronted with 3:00 AM phone calls.

  94. mojo says:

    “DANGER – Zombie Ninjas
    Keep Weapons Loaded”

    So much for my “Safari Park” business plan…

  95. geoffb says:

    Squid,

    Since the #4, #5, and #6 units were all down for inspection, the ponds next to the main containment stored only the spent fuel rods that had been removed from each reactor. These had been removed over 100 days ago according to this here.

    Fuel ponds

    About 60% of the total used nuclear fuel from all six reactors is kept in a shared facility, while each of the units also has its own storage pool near the top of the reactor building. At unit 4, the reactor itself contains no fuel, this having been removed to the unit’s own store over 100 days ago for maintenance work to take place.

    There have now been two fires in the upper portion of unit 4’s reactor building, thought to follow an explosion early on 15 March which left the building severely damaged the building. The cause of the fires remains unknown due to radiation in the area, and they could in fact be one fire that died down before reigniting. The exact nature of the explosion is also unknown. The Japan Atomic Industry Forum reports that the level of water in unit 4’s fuel pond is low and damage to fuel stored there is suspected. Efforts are underway to refill the pool, including an unsuccessful attempt to douse the building with water from a helicopter, hoping to get some to go through the damaged building.

  96. Carin says:

    omeone should contrast and compare, eloquently, that these 50 workers who are staying behind to work their asses off and trying not to think of what the future might hold for them personally are certainly not Fleebaggers. Nor are they as the little prezzident man and his staff, undecided and unsure, when confronted with 3:00 AM phone calls.

    That’s not really a fair comparison- those workers with Obama. I mean, for one, all the golf courses are prolly not in very good shape after the tsunami.

    They simply don’t have the same temptations as the POTUS.

  97. serr8d says:

    Last night I posted..

    As a temporary spot, sure, store ‘em on top of the reactors. But if they sit there 20-30 years, that’s problematic.

    Now, I hate to be the one to link to the crazy bastards at Infowars, but they’ve come up with some good data…

    Infowars analysis: In addition to under reporting the fires at Fukushima, the Japanese government has not told the people about the ominous fact that the nuclear plant site is a hellish repository where a staggering number of spent fuel rods have accumulated for 40 years. …

    The Fukushima Daiichi plant has seven pools dedicated to spent fuel rods. These are located at the top of six reactor buildings – or were until explosions and fires ravaged the plant. On the ground level there is a common pool in a separate building that was critical damaged by the tsunami. Each reactor building pool holds 3,450 fuel rod assemblies and the common pool holds 6,291 fuel rod assemblies. Each assembly holds sixty-three fuel rods. In short, the Fukushima Daiichi plant contains over 600,000 spent fuel rods – a massive amount of radiation that will soon be released into the atmosphere.

    Ignoring the typical Infowars-patented feverish finger-pulling, if one can believe their numbers, it’s staggering. Those spent fuel rods should’ve been sequestered somewhere else.

    What were Japan’s plans for long-term storage? They’ve no Yucca Mountain repository, obviously. And waiting around until ‘this’ happened didn’t work out so well.

  98. geoffb says:

    GE Fuel Rod
    Fuel Pellet Diameter: 1.04 cm
    Fuel Pellet Height: 1.04 cm
    Fuel Material: UO2
    Cladding Diameter (O.D.): 1.23 cm
    Cladding Thickness: 0.81 mm
    Cladding Material: Zircaloy

    That’s one fuel rod. 63 in an assembly would be on the order of 2 feet long and slightly less than 1/2 inch in diameter.

  99. geoffb says:

    Injuries or Contamination at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant

    Based on a press release from the Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary dated 16 March 2011, the IAEA can confirm the following information about human injuries or contamination at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

    Please note that this list provides a snapshot of the latest information made available to the IAEA by Japanese authorities. Given the fluid situation at the plant, this information is subject to change.

    Injuries

    * 2 TEPCO employees have minor injuries
    * 2 subcontractor employees are injured, one person suffered broken legs and one person whose condition is unknown was transported to the hospital
    * 2 people are missing
    * 2 people were ‘suddenly taken ill’
    * 2 TEPCO employees were transported to hospital during the time of donning respiratory protection in the control centre
    * 4 people (2 TEPCO employees, 2 subcontractor employees) sustained minor injuries due to the explosion at unit 1 on 11 March and were transported to the hospital
    * 11 people (4 TEPCO employees, 3 subcontractor employees and 4 Japanese civil defense workers) were injured due to the explosion at unit 3 on 14 March

    Radiological Contamination

    * 17 people (9 TEPCO employees, 8 subcontractor employees) suffered from deposition of radioactive material to their faces, but were not taken to the hospital because of low levels of exposure
    * One worker suffered from significant exposure during ‘vent work,’ and was transported to an offsite center
    * 2 policemen who were exposed to radiation were decontaminated
    * Firemen who were exposed to radiation are under investigation

    The IAEA continues to seek information from Japanese authorities about all aspects of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

  100. geoffb says:

    Fukushima redux – design basis Godzilla?
    More info and a new update coming for March 17.

  101. serr8d says:

    Here’s an exploration of the cultural changes Japan is facing.

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