Breaking:”>http://news.google.com/url?ntc=0M0A0&q=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59948-2004Jun22.html”>Breaking: “S. Korean Worker Reportedly Beheaded by Kidnappers”
Because Abu Ghraib. And pony rides. And steamed pork dumplings. And Pizza Huts. And Red Ginseng extract. And women drivers. And Onggi vessels. And fruit tea. And Jews. And Gillette disposable razors with three blades. And, well, you know the drill…
Mostly because of the Jews, though…
Luckily, us hispanics have nothing to do with it.
There are Jews in South Korea?
I’ll be damned….
Sure there are. Kimstein, Kimowitz, Kimkowski, Kimberg – there’s lots of ‘em.
Gillette razors with three blades got ‘em in a tizzy? Boy, I hate to see what they do when they find out about the M3 Power, the first electric shaving system to use micropulses to both lift the hair and cut it…
My humble three step plan:
1. Find out who did this.
2. Make sure.
3. Kill them.
Perhaps for the first time since the late 1940s, Americanism as an ideology is determined by capitalist interests which lead to the end of any possibility of social justice in a reactionary state. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Colin Powell’s parade of lies brings about the result of a pre-fascist atmosphere in America. It appears that the pro-Sharon neoconservative cabal can be seen in the light of the apparent fabrications which lead to this calamity brought to us by a horrific onslaught, known as Shock and Awe. So far, the influence of Leo Strauss leads our attention to a McCarthyism which threatens everything we hold dear.
Yeah, blah blah blah. I’ll pass your “analysis” on to Kim Sun Il’s severed head, Boyd. Meantime, here you go. Save yourself the trouble .
Wow, Boyd, you got all the progressive buzzwords in that one little post. Shouldn’t he get like a gold star, or somethin’, Jeff ? I mean, that’s just so elegant you hardly even notice that it’s total nonsense !
Probably had a finger up his ass while he cut at pasted “his” thoughts here. Juvenile puppet.
Do you get the feeling that Boyd has had that one just lying around, waiting for the chance to use it? I bet he laid awake a night, rehearsing it in his mind, over…and over…and over again.
It’s just possible that Boyd’s post is itself intended as a parody; let’s give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
The problem with left-wing politics, of course, is that it’s so difficult to tell what is parody and what is intended seriously.
Parker, your plan will not work. That’s exactly what we have been doing. Humble more-than-three-step plan:
1. Find out who did this.
2. Make sure.
3. Kill them.
4. Find out who pays them.
5. Make sure.
6. Kill them.
7. Find out who supports them.
8. Make sure.
9. Kill them.
10. Find out who cheers for them.
11. Make sure.
12. Kill them.
10. Find out who apologizes for them.
11. Make sure.
12. Kill them.
13. Keep repeating this until there are none left.
And for the Boyds of the world, the appropriate response is to brand “Capitalism = Freedom” on a baseball bat and hit them with it until they understand.
And quite frankly, I don’t give a damn what the pussies on the left think. If a crowd gathers to dance in the street about the beheading of a civilian, they are enemies who should be fired on.
http://www.spinline.net/cy/lefterator.pl
Ken –
You have a point – but I think I part company with you at about Step #9 (maybe yat our first Step #12, if I’m having a bad day).
I’m just glad that even my three-step program is seeing some use – it didn’t used to…
Boyd’s (kozfan) been to ASV where he left this familiar sounding pile.
“Oh foo to you dittoheads. This guy was a MERCANARY working for a DEFENSE CORPORATION. I won’t shed any tears.
As Michael Moore and Chomsky show, the blame is on US imperialism and capitalism.
It appears that the pro-Sharon neoconservative cabal is solid evidence of the flagrant lies promulgated by the political donor class. It is not heartening that the Pax Americana of the future belies justifications given by the world’s leading apologists for the result of a pre-fascist atmosphere in America. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the deal between the Department of Defense and Halliburton unit Kellogg, Brown & Root leads our attention to the slaughter of thousands of children by Air Force cluster bombs. Let us never forget that Donald Rumsfeld’s worldview brings forth an act of international violence that exceeds even those of the “liberal” Bill Clinton.”
He’d turned the “Fucking Tripe Generator” to full by then. Who knew they went to 11?
The “lefterator” now I’m impressed.
Is there a rightyrator?
Ken, You forgot the most important one.
Find out who teaches them to hate.
Make sure.
Kill them.
The root cause is the Islamist ‘clerics’.
Kathy, you’re right, I left it off.
Parker, I don’t necessarily disagree at #9, but simply hunting down the “guilty” can’t be enough. We need to greatly impress their supporters that such support has dire consequences. So I am fully in favor of killing as many supporters as necessary to persuade the rest peacefully. (BTW, since the enemy is not following the Geneva Convention, I find it reasonable to treat supporters as active fighters)
Also, Kathy K: if you are Kathy Kinsley, please read your email (or email me ASAP if you are not at your normal email address).
Thanks.
I, for one, agree with Boyd, only in that I am ready to follow a Ceasar/Hitler, fascist/dictator whom is ready to lead a pro_American/Victorian British empire style leader to the Darwinian conclusion that White Power in new union with Hispanic/Black power with a touch of yellow (possibly a huge touch) power, beats brown Arab Wahabi power, if we can get them before they nuke the whole planet (or just overpopulate it). I believe this will help the rest of the world get along better.
Heil Bush/Blair
p.s. /Arabs/
Boyd’s posts sound suspiciously like they were written by a computer program that randomly selects from a set of words and phrases and puts them together to create a stereotyped utterance. A good example of this sort of program is the “Postmodern Generator” at Arts and Letters Daily.
Some in the comments section at Michele’s site, A Small Victory, found this site, which appears to be the source of boyd’s comment and also kozfan’s comment at A Small Victory. The site is exactly the sort of random text generator that I mentioned in my comment above.
The Leftyrator is exactly where that came from:
Huh. McBlatherator. That’s a pretty big box for all those progressive we-think-for-ourselves libbys to think outside of.
Ken Summers… I was just wonderin… that 12 step (or however many) plan of yours. Well, how many people do you reckon would be left alive on the planet when you’re done?
dponce80: so, um… Kim Sun-il departed, did he?
Lovely. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. Really, you should be proud…
if the salafi/wahabist factions don’t delete the “kill the nonbeliever” Suras from the Quran…then maybe we need to enforce the Summers Doctrine outlined above.
Willow:
I am sorely tempted to memorize a Leftyrator rant and to try it out on some of my nuttier neightbors in Brookline, Massachusetts, where such nuts are depressingly common, e.g., Noam Chomsky lives nearby. I think that many of them would assume that I had just regaled them with some profound insights, and the response would be fun. I am sure that many similar people live in Boulder, so you could try the same thing. I for one, am tempted, and I can resist anything except temptation.
No offense, Joe. But besides Theo Epstein (and yourself, of course) are their any non-nuts in Brookline — or Cambridge West as I like to call it?
AJ – oh you should. That would be fun. I don’t know if I would have so much luck leftybaiting in DPRB, as I am forced to wear a scarlet “C” on all my clothing…
“C”??
Chowder? New England Clam Chowder?
“Well, how many people do you reckon would be left alive on the planet when you’re done?”
-dponce
There will be all of North and South America, most of Europe and Asia and sub-Saharan Africa. Also Israel and Australia.
As for the Arab world, that’s entirely up to them. Frankly, I no longer care.
But check Step 13, it is entirely plausible.
I’m not so sure about this Ken. You seem to assume that everybody in North and South America, as well as all those other “friendly” places feel exatcly the way you do about all this.
You might be surprised to find out just HOW many people don’t agree with these views of yours. And how many of these people don’t live in the middle east, or are of middle-eastern origin. They live right there, in America, Canada, Israel and every other “friendly” nation. They are smart, educated people who’ve managed to stop being so myopic and have taken a critical and more objective look at what’s happening in the world.
You might find that after you’re done with your 13 step program, there wouldn’t be as many people left around as you thought there would be.
Nothing personal, dponce80, but I hardly think you’ve stopped being myopic. In fact, rather than your striking me as “educated” and “critical,” you strike me more as a mewling, soft-bellied infant who likes to play multicultural contrarian because you believe—quite erroneously, mind you—that such sentiments elevate you intellectually above the coarsened, bloodthirsty rabble.
But here comes the cold water: it’s you who are the cliche. Your textbook inclusiveness smacks of insular bookishness. Your disinterested pose signals nothing but an inability on your part to combine thinking with observation. If the severed heads of civilians can’t bring you around to the nature of the enemy, you are a colossal idiot not worthy of my attention. Now go, masturbate on your own site. Drop your self-satisfied daftgoo somewhere where equally thick pseudo-intellectuals can come and “discuss” what “root causes” led inexorably to a 33-year old civilian translator’s having his head sliced off, and the videotape of the murder uploaded to the web. I have no use for you here.
Myopic? You consider it myopic to take the Islamofreaks at their word when they say they want to kill or enslave all non-believers? To consider beheading innocent civilians barbaric and always inexcusable? To note that no culture but Islamism does that (and the only other recent culture to do so was Imperial Japan)? To note that only Arabs currently practice slavery? To note that Arabs are currently conducting mass slaughter in Africa? [For the record: they are enslaving and slaughter black people] To note that there is NO Arab country with anything but a despotic government?
I know a lot of people don’t agree. I don’t particularly care. In fact, there may be some schadenfreude when unassimilated Muslims become a majority in some European countries. I see no particular reason why we should risk American lives to pull the French out of the deserts of their own cowardice yet again.
For the time being, I actually consider “killing apologists” to be hyperbole. But if there comes a time that apologists are an active danger to what is very definitely a war for civilization, then they are the enemy and should be treated as such.
Am I nuts here? Have we forgotten that the US is the invading force here? That WE went there, we bombed the shit out of them, we killed thousands of civilians as collateral damage (most of them probably mangled beyond recognition, not just decapitated), we raped and humiliated and murdered the prisoners… all of this in the name of non-existant WMDs and imaginary ties to Al-Qaida. Then, when they fight back (in a way I’ll admit IS disgusting), we are appalled by it all. As if THEY were the ones who came all the way to America to do this.
Nothing personal… What kind of a person are you? You tell me that, then you tell me to go jerk off! Is that how you have a discussion with someone? You’re so confident in the infallibility of your viewpoints you feel the need to tell me “you have no use for me”?
Insular bookishness? Where have you been that you have such an enlightened perspective on the world? Have you ever even left the continent? Have you ever even spoken to “those people”. Unlike you, I wont jump to conclusions and assume you haven’t. I’m actually asking and not being rhetorical. Have you?
dponce80, ritual decapitation of unarmed civilians, bad, period.
Don’t get it? Who cares. Fuck off.
dponce:
WE went [to Iraq]??
Sorry, but I don’t remember Canada as being part of the coalition of the willing. But then again maybe Canada did in your warped little world.
Buh-bye.
Hey dponce80, I can’t speak for Jeff but I’ll just butt in and add that I for one, don’t need to speak to Hitler to know he’s a grade A asshole. I don’t need to speak to Dahlmer, Jack the Ripper, McVey nor any lunatic that speaks their mind through their horrfic actions. I really could give a rats ass if any of these lunatics love ponies, like Mozart, watch Friends or have a hard on for fresh baked brownies. I don’t want to know they have an inner child that yearns to be understood. You and those that think like you can waste your time over a Frappaccino concerned about these things. Me? I’m all for taking a mass murdering confirmed user of WMD on his own people and putting him out of business and asking about his favorite color later. Same goes for the sick fucks that behead defenseless prisoners.
Yes BH, I get it. It IS bad, I NEVER said it wasn’t.
Instantaneous vaporisation of over 100 000 unarmed civilians, bad, period.
Still, was done in the name of winning a war.
The moral? War is sick, and things like this have happened for thousands of years. Does it make it any better? NO.
Why is it an issue now more than before? Because now we have easy access to information. Something that wasn’t the case only 10 years ago.
Oh for crying out loud willow! I didn’t want to be antagonistic and say all that with YOU this and YOU that. I’m not trying to insult anyone. I’m trying to have a debate, but I’m just getting attacked. Maybe you all on this blog are the same people. You all have the same opinion, and the minute that some poor sod comes along with a different one, you can’t find it in you to engage him in rational conversation. No nO… you shit on him. That’s real good for your image.
By the way, Dario… I don’t remember saying anything about wanting to know if these people “love ponies, like Mozart, watch Friends or have a hard on for fresh baked brownies, […] have an inner child that yearns to be understood.”
I couldn’t care less. All I’m saying, in plain words is “You kick a dog in the ribs, don’t be surpised if he tries to bite back”. And don’t be surprised if he tries to go for your balls, because often, that’s all he’s got.
Q: Have you ever even left the continent?
A: Yes. In fact I lived in Italy for a while.
Q: Have you ever even spoken to “those people”.
A: Which? Muslims? Sure. Arabs? Yes. Murdering jihadists? No. And why the scare quotes around those people? Are you trying to signal your deference to the individuality of other cultures? Surely picking on a pedestrian and ultimately quite useful pronoun won’t do the trick. Or is that enough in your circles? Because if it is, then let me ask you this: what do you me “we” bombed the shit out of “them”?
Q: Is that how you have a discussion with someone?
A: This may come as a shock to you, but nearly three years into this war, I’ve had this discussion before. I’m not interested in rehashing it. And certainly not with someone so predicably faux-earnest as you. Like I said, if you can’t see the evil in front of you, I have no use for you. War is bad and evil? Fine. Give your computer to a Native American.
As to the rest: the ties to Al Qaeda are not imaginary, as has been illustrated over and over and over and over again. Abu Ghraib is being investigated; perpetrators are being prosecuted—and we didn’t need a UN resolution to accomplish it. Underwear on the head is not the same as a knife through the throat that removes the head. And speak to the people in Halabja about non-existent WMDs.
Now please. Go hash this out with the other little children.
RE: Boyd:
“It’s just possible that Boyd’s post is itself intended as a parody; let’s give him the benefit of the doubt for now.”
It’s not a very original…compare:
“Disobey” by John Pilger (what, you think we cannot google, Boyd?)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pilger_John/Disobey.html
“Perhaps for the first time since the late 1940s, Americanism as an ideology is being identified in the same terms as any rapacious power structure; and we can thank Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice for that, even though their acts of international violence have yet to exceed those of the “liberal” Bill Clinton.”
Predictably faux-earnest? I suppose you know all about me and people like me. Look, I’m not going to argue this part with you, because frankly, I don’t think you’ll ever see my point, no matter how I try to make it.
Underwear on the head? Is that what you think the coalition has done to the Iraqis? Because that’s what you got to see on your boob tube, that’s all there is? When a bomb drops on a wedding, and dozens of people die… I imagine it’s as a result of having underwear on their heads? It’s not because you don’t see it that it doesn’t happen.
But… if you don’t want to have this argument. Fine. I wont intrude on your little island. This way, you and your buddies can keep on thinking the way you do, unchallenged, and take a dump on all the passersby who don’t immediately see the light in your words.
Italy? Yeah.. now that’s the place that’ll give you perspective… You’ll really get to understand and appreciate life for “the other side”. Then, it’s rather obvious you aren’t interested in the other side.
Mr.Goldstein… I will leave you alone. I apologize for intruding. I apologize for trying to have a talk with you. I recognize my inferior analytical abilities and the futility of my efforts.
Good. Tell a friend.
dponce:
“Underwear on the head? Is that what you think the coalition has done to the Iraqis? Because that’s what you got to see on your boob tube, that’s all there is? “
You’d think so, the way the media have been rabbiting on about an incident that happened mostly in a space of a few days, was reported (by another soldier) back in JANUARY, and the perpetrators have already been rotated back home to face courts-martial.
“When a bomb drops on a wedding, and dozens of people die… I imagine it’s as a result of having underwear on their heads? It’s not because you don’t see it that it doesn’t happen.”
There are a number of indicators that this “wedding” was anything but:
1. “Wedding” took place on a Tuesday, not Thursday , which is the traditional day in Iraq for a wedding (to take advantage of the Friday “sabbath”
2. Meat for the “feast” still frozen solid..no stocks of dishes, etc.
3. Wedding “guests” almost all military-age men, only a few women, no elders, 1 child (wounded), all dressed as city dwellers, and not as Bedouins would dress for the location.
4. How many weddings have ID-making machines.
5. None of the “guests” had any form of ID, papers, what have you.
6 At a ranch with no ranching activities
Curious.
http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040522-0792.html
cheshirecat
Thanks Jeff. I’m too damned tired to argue the same old arguments again.
Thanks Cheshirecat, too. And don’t forget that even if it had been a real wedding, shooting in the air at 2:00am in a warzone with warplanes flying overhead is just too stupid for words.
Don’t mention it, Ken. I mean, had this ponce really wanted to have a “discussion,” he would’ve searched the archives here to prepare himself. No, he wanted to show off his familiarity with Globe and Mail columnists and earnest progressive rags like The American Prospect. Already subscribe. Not interested.
Oh, I apologize. I guess when you asked if he’d “talked” to “them”, I assumed you were inferring that they had something to say. Pray tell what should I ask if “I” “ever” talk “to” “them”?
Your inference is quite simply that said debatee is ignorant of some nuance with this crowd of “them”. Somehow, by talking to “them” one would gain some intellectual epiphany that would explain such unexplainable behavior. Perhaps if we talked with them long enough we could show them the mirror and they would embrace peace, car pooling, and organic foods?
But I digress, you said what you really meant was that somehow we deserved all this because of US military action. I totally understand now. They would NEVER have done anything like this to more people without the cameras rolling if it weren’t for our actions. I get it. Sudan makes Iraq look like Club Med right about now, but it will be our fault somehow if we decieded to go in and fix it.
DAMMITALLTOHELL! I miss all the fun…
Someone remind that a-hole that the dog that got kicked in the ribs was the big, stupid, slobbering, heretofore-friendly American dog that has lots of bombs and guns, and that the kicking happened on 9/11. So now we’re, erm…going for the balls.
I’m an a-hole Scott? Good, good, that’s really mature.
Heretofore friendly America? Yes, I suppose you could see it that way. What with hundreds of thousands of dead iraqis as a result of economic sanctions on that country, I suppose America really did come across as the best of friends to have. Oh… But this only came as a result of Iraq trying to screw over Kuwait. Right. I forgot. Oil prices stability had NOTHING to do with the involvement of the US in the first place. What was I thinking?
I’m not sure if this will only fan the flames or actually get someone to stop and think. Its currently making the e-mail spam rounds:
You mean the U.N imposed economic sanctions?
You mean the invasion, looting, pillaging and raping of Kuwait? (And I HAVE talked to Arab Muslims from Kuwait. I have a very good friend who spent a long time as one of Saddam’s prisoner’s of war. Try telling him that the biggest result of American intervention at that time was oil price stability.
You know… I really was trying to be nice and polite, I even said “we” when I should have been saying “you”, not to antagonize anyone. But seeing as politeness is lost on this friendly crowd, I’ll be an asshole.
Why is it that you Americans always feel like you need to go places and “fix things”. “Spread democracy”, etc. Shouldn’t you be worrying about fixing stuff at home in the first place? Oh… oh, yeah, I forgot, those all important American interests are at stake. Namely, oil. Is ANY one of you going to argue that the only reason America gets involved in the middle east is beacause of the oil? Do you really believe you are the bastion of freedom, the enlighteners of the world, who’ll bring about justice and freedom for all?
Oh… no, I see, you’re only responding to 9/11. Right. Because Saddamn Hussein himself ordered the attacks. THAT’S why you’re there. Better still, the dead civilians, yeah, those ones you killed as collateral damage, THEY plotted to topple the WTC. So dammit!, it doesn’t matter if they die, right? They’re all Arabs, they’re all the same. They’re all Islamists, dogs, they deserve to have the crap bombed out of them.
That’s brilliant.
I thought you were finished here, you consistently boring twerp.
All about oil and American hegemony, is it? Fine. Anybody invades your country, beat ‘em off with hockey sticks and mullets. Now please. Buzz off. You’re embarrassing yourself.
MRN… if the US is such a savior, and gets involved with altruism only in matters of humanitarian concern… then where was the US during the Rwanda massacre?
Oh… geez, I forgot, there’s no oil in Rwanda. Why bother, right?
Buzz off? You have better things to do Jeff? Like hatemongering with your buddies, I imagine?…
Yes, that’s right, hatemongering.
You know, it never ceases to amaze me how for all of your “analytical” posturing and put-upon brave dissenter posing, you “I just wanted to have an intellectual discussion” sheetstains always wind up reaching for one (if not more) of the tried and true “progressive” triumverate of cheap rhetorical trump cards: racist, sexist, homophobe.
I’ll chalk my “hatemongering” up to racism, how’s that? I can live with such a pronouncement when it’s offered from atop Mt. Supercillious. Tell you what, send me some stone tablets. I’ll study. But in the meantime, just. Go. Away.
DPonce80, where the hell have you been? I bet you’ve never left the borders of the U.S. on anything more than a fucking sight seeing trip. Haiti, Kosovo, and Iraq, been there done that with Uncle Sam.
Keep enjoying the freedom that I help provide.
Damn, late to the party, I hate when that happens.
Hey Ponce, we Americans don’t have patience with murdering jihadi scumbags. And we regard with contempt nuancey-boys like yourself who are ever ready to excuse them.
So, please do us a favor and stop bothering us with your blather.
Don’t you Canadians have anything better to do, such as review your National Health Care Plan, or something ?
The score is 3-0, three heads to none. Its time to fight violence with violence. Its the only way to get this enemies attention.
Tell you what all you bleeding hearts (just imaging this was your brother, father, sister, etc… getting beheaded!!!)
Ok,then with that being said, Let’s find what makes these motherFkers plead for death…
Ok, I saw panties on the face and naked,exposed low-lives in compromising positions…Alright we got some of what those, MF’s consider humiliating.
Seeing that we should get an Al-Qaida member put his face in a veil of women’s underwear, have him naked below the waist and then beat the hell out of him with a shoe (show him bleeding profusely, then make him tell the Muslum and Islamic extremists dic*heads that their cause is for fu**ing loosers and homosexuals (which again they consider a life ending insult).
Then in a clear (digital) videotape, not like their grainy fuc*ed up videos, show the veiled pus*y male getting his head cut off. Then pull back the veil show his insulted face and beat the decapitated head with a shoe.
Yes, I agree, that this is stepping down to their level, huh, what else do they listen too?And what practice is better then match or exceed what them FK’ing Militants want to dish-out…????
I got so many more ideas to share …Leatherface continues his legacy….Die to Live….Live to Die…
The worst of humans can be seen at their weakest point.. May God help them FuK’s that I don’t reach that point and find them…Justice is only served when a victim is satisfied with the offender’s outcome….Hmmmmmmmm think about that…ehhehehe
I’m an a-hole Scott? Good, good, that’s really mature.
Yes, you are…an a-hole of the unexperienced, over-educated, under-read, permanently-pampered variety. It’s OK to be considered an a-hole, really. It’s impossible to have everybody like you. Accepting that is a facet of maturity.
Heretofore friendly America? Yes, I suppose you could see it that way. What with hundreds of thousands of dead iraqis as a result of economic sanctions on that country, I suppose America really did come across as the best of friends to have. Oh… But this only came as a result of Iraq trying to screw over Kuwait. Right. I forgot. Oil prices stability had NOTHING to do with the involvement of the US in the first place. What was I thinking?
Asked, and answered. Blood for oil, blah, blah, blah.
Why is it that you Americans always feel like you need to go places and “fix things”. “Spread democracy”, etc. Shouldn’t you be worrying about fixing stuff at home in the first place?
Seems it’s fixed so good here at home that we’re still having to turn away immigrants. That’s the last time I checked…I guess it could have changed in the last couple weeks, and we’ve got a clamoring at the border stations for exit visas. Anyone know? But we have to go fix things elsewhere in the world when those broken things impinge on our security to go about our daily lives (and hence, beckon to more immigrants…vicious cycle, etc.) Like it or not, we didn’t start this latest round, but we’re damn sure gonna finish it given half a chance.
Do you really believe you are the bastion of freedom, the enlighteners of the world, who’ll bring about justice and freedom for all?
Why, yes…yes, I do. Let’s go ask the cats standing in line at Ellis Island, and see what they think. 10-1 they agree with me and not with you.
Now, is there anything else that isn’t pure eyewash? Anything that can stand with the facts on the ground, the way the world is? Do you have anything to add to the conversation that can stand up to a real-world test? Don’t give me that Rwanda bullshit—you’d have been whining about American interventionism there too if we’d done the right thing about that. Anything at all?
“Don’t you Canadians have anything better to do, such as review your National Health Care Plan, or something?”
I AM CANADIAN! Now before you go nuts with all the anti-canadian content, I would like to say that I have a much different view than that of Dponce. I do believe that the War on Terror is justified. I do believe that the original purpose of invading Iraq was the oil. However, we can always multi-task can’t we? For every Nick Berg and Kim Sun-il, there’s another hundreds of thousands of people waiting to be vaporized, the second the coalition lets up on it’s purpose. I do not like George Bush, but feel that we, as a human race, have no choice, but to defend our very livenhood that’s at stake. Sacrifice is a part of the very freedom that Canada, US, Britain, etc; enjoy. I am sick to the very pit of my stomach to see such men like Kim Sun-il died for a cause of none other than to commit a genocide against anyone that does not share their beliefs. Whatever happened to common sense? Kim Sun-il, is now the very essence and soul of our pitful world. Betrayed by his own, terrified, helpless………………hopeless
P.S. I’m not reviewing the National Health Care plan; I’m reviewing the possibility of selecting a government that will join the War on Terror, but thanks for coming out!
Hi Christ… Nice to see you here too… I don’t know… you and just about everyone else seems to have the War on Terror and the War in Iraq mixed up. In case we’ve forgotten, the US went to Iraq with the pretext of finding WMDs. It hinted at some connection with Al-Qaida… but other than the “Q” in both their names, none was found. At least PRIOR to the US invasion. Sure sure, some people don’t believe that, they think there always was a connection. But if these people don’t believe their own Congressional Comission’s findings, then they’ll believe nothing. Whatever.
Iraq was never meant to be about the “War on Terror”. It always was and still is seen by the world community as an “unsubstantiated and unjustified invasion of Iraq”. The countries that joined the US in this invasion are in my opinion, the ones who couldn’t afford for one reason or other to alienate the US of A. Happily, Canada for once abstained to follow it’s big southernly brother into a bloody mess, and hopefully, it’ll stay that way. I, for one, am working on making sure it does.
Sorry Chris, I didn’t mean to call you “ChrisT”. That’s a typo.
Good Lord. You’re not just an a-hole, you’re willfully idiotic, as well. How do you keep all that in your head without having it explode on a daily basis?
Scott… if I’m such an a-hole, why can’t you do like everyone else here and just ignore me? Am I getting to you?
“you and just about everyone else seems to have the War on Terror and the War in Iraq mixed up”
dponce, take your Ritalin and repeat after me:
Feel better?
Ponce asks, regarding Americans’ beliefs about their country,
“Do you really believe you are the bastion of freedom, the enlighteners of the world, who’ll bring about justice and freedom for all?”
In fact, that pretty much sums up the U.S. for me. Bastion of freedom – check. Beat the Nazis. Crushed Communism. Currently defending ungrateful countries all over the world.
Enlighteners of the world? Check. America invented the electric light, which unlike all the leftist cant, is actually enlightening. American ingenuity gave us the idea of education for everybody – thanks to tarred roads, which made it possible a century ago for millions of rural people to travel some miles each day to go to school (which they couldn’t do on muddy tracks). It meant that high schools could draw on people from surrounding areas and ordinary people could get educated. Education of millions of people counts as pretty enlightening, and a radical concept in its time. Accepted in many places now, but born in the USA.
America also produced one Norman Borlaug who has fed billions of people through his green revolution. Enlightenment actually applied to making a difference in the world, rather than merely to being drawing-room witty.
I know – electric light, decent roads, feeding peasants. It’s pedestrian stuff for you deep-thinkers. But those are the things that have made a difference in the world in the last hundred years – not your bullshit.
So, yes, Ponce, that’s exactly what I believe. If there is to be justice and freedom for all, it will be courtesy of ordinary Americans in the U.S. Army. And Marines, of course. Navy. Air Force. All those guys. You sure as hell won’t have anything to do with it.
And by the way, I’m not American. I’m Canadian.
Thanks, Patrick. That was excellent.
I guess someone has to be thanked that all Americans are not painted with the same brush. I never claimed that nothing good ever came out of the US. In fact, I’ll admit that the MAJORITY of good things in our lives have come out of there. I can make a list as long as my arm of those things. But in the end, it doesn’t mean a thing.
There’s 300 million of you people. Sadly, for every intelligent, peaceful and rational one of you, there seems to be an evil gremlin, bent on going to war everywhere, on the pretext of “spreading freedom”, undisturbed by the thousands and thousands who will die unjustly in the process.
It’s very nice Patrick. You’ve made the point that there are some great people in America. So what? What have you said about the administration? What have you said about america’s foreign policy? That America could be uncontestably great in some things, doesn’t mean it’s impossible that it’s horrible in others.
But (and I’ve decided to be as polite to you all, as you’ve shown the decency to be to me), you all just go ahead, and keep groveling in your dirty little self-congratulatory pit. Keep each other happy with your stories of American greatness. Keep bashing anyone who disagrees with you. It’s people like you that give the moderates of the world the impression that America is just… such a great place.
Glad you liked it, Ken. It was from the heart. But if thanks are to be moving across the border, they should be going north to south.
Ponce – that remark about our “dirty little … pit” gives the game away. Your complaint isn’t American foreign policy, it’s American power. Doesn’t matter what that power was used for, you would be against it. What sticks in your craw is that America is the country of ordinary people, the country of people who don’t need be looked after and told what to do by their “betters” – in the nobility or in the academy. And what really hurts the most is that after they shrugged off the elites, these ordinary people in their dirty little pit made the richest, most inventive, most productive, most democratic society in history.
It’s a dirty little pit, alright, full of the unwashed ordinary people, the plebes, the peasants. And don’t you just hate the fact that they’re so rich and so strong? Why don’t they fail? They don’t have the geniuses from the universities telling them how to live. Well, what the hell, let’s pretend they’ve failed. Let’s focus on their pimples and forget about our own leprosy. Yeah. That’s the ticket.
And for the record, I like the Bush administration and my major complaint about their foreign policy is that they haven’t thrown the UN out of New York City. Yet.
No no Patrick you misunderstood my comment. Not that I should have expected you to do otherwise. I wasn’t referring to America with my “dirty pit” reference. I was referring to this blog, this particular spot where everyone except me seems to share the same ideas. Where NOT ONE of you found it reasonable to talk to me like civilised people. It doesn’t matter if you don’t like what I say. It doesn’t mean I have to be told to “go, masturbate on your own site. Drop your self-satisfied daftgoo somewhere where equally thick pseudo-intellectuals can come […]”, or be called an a-hole, or whatever. If that’s your idea of a discussion, you’re truly sad.
By the way, you’re deluding yourself if you think America was built by “these ordinary people in their dirty little pit [who] made the richest, most inventive, most productive, most democratic society in history.” No no, it was built by the people who DID something of themselves. Who rose up one day, and said “I’m fed up with this bullshit, I’ll do something with myself”. They didn’t let themselves be draged down by the other ones, the ones that stayed behind, and spent their days bitching about people who don’t agree with them, flinging insults at them, and grinning at each other about how cool they are. That’s what I meant by self-congratulatory, Pat. Don’t reference America’s white trash as “America’s power”, just because that’s the only way for you to be included in the group of people who actually DID something to make america great.
And for the record. No. I haven’t done jack shit with MY life. But I sure as hell am not going to go claim that despite that, I AM powerful. I’m a nothing, and wont pretend otherwise.
I wasn’t referring to America with my “dirty pit” reference. I was referring to this blog, this particular spot where everyone except me seems to share the same ideas. Where NOT ONE of you found it reasonable to talk to me like civilised people.
…And yet you keep coming back? Why?
Oh, and “white trash”? Not very tolerant of you, Mr. Where’s My Civilized Discourse? Though your admission that you’re a “nothing” seems spot on.
Another one of my earlier allegations also seems spot on: calling you myopic. Did you read this last comment of mine only? Did you not bother to read the part, in an earlier one where I say: “But (and I’ve decided to be as polite to you all, as you’ve shown the decency to be to me)”. No of course you didn’t read that. So yeah, I’m not being very civilized. Seems maybe that’s the only language you natives might understand.
Why do I keep coming back? I dunno Jeff. This place is my little slice of America. Really, people like you just aren’t so common here in Canada. Of course there are exceptions, as Patrick proves. But to me, it’s kinda like going to the zoo. I’m amuzed now.
Yes, right, I’m a myopic, slice-of-Americana hatemonger and nativist who happens to teach at a university when he’s not home raising his proto-fascist son, I know. I heard your lecture the first fifteen or so times, you pasty-faced, flaccid little jismsplotch.
Now, if you want admission to the zoo, pay at the ticket booth. Otherwise, buzz off. Please. You’re here on my dime. And this ain’t Canada, buddy. You need to earn your keep.
Jeff
Okay,,,,,I found what you were talking about. After your last post, I’m laughing harder still. pasty-faced, flaccid little jismsplotch. Fuck that’s great.
I guess you built a pretty good bridge, cuz you got some dandy little trolls hiding under it!
Lloyd
Ok Jeff… what would you like me to do? How do I earn my keep? How do I earn the right to come to this zoo? Look, I’m not trying to insult anyone, despite whatever appearances. If I get crap flung my way, I’ll just fling it back. I’m tired of just standing there and not doing a thing about it. But I didn’t come here in the first place to do this.
But do you see what I mean. You say one thing, and what do people do? Lloyd says “Fuck that’s great”. Why is he so happy? Because you came up with “pasty-faced, flaccid little jismsplotch”? I guess you guys are pals or something, but do you not see how sad this all is? Congratulating one another on the originality of the insults you come up with?
Anyway, like I said, I didn’t come here with the intention of trading insults. Things got this way only because you guys started acting like assholes with me. I really wouldn’t mind having a discussion, a proper one… but somehow I feel you guys aren’t interested in that. Or you’ve had them all and are above that. Or don’t know me enough to be bothered with stringing more than a few coherent words together that aren’t insulting.
Ah… to hell with this, Jeff. Why am I even trying? What are you going to do if I keep coming back? Ban me? Give me a break.
Ok Jeff… what would you like me to do? How do I earn my keep? How do I earn the right to come to this zoo?
I would like you to take your super-earnest, defeatist bullshit elsewhere, but if you really must stay and gawk, put money in the tip jar to pay for bandwidth.
As for the rest, yes.
[last 2 dponce comments deleted. Highlights: “do my words bother you”? “Are your big words about America’s prowess just for show, and here I come to rain on your parade?” “I see you’ve tried to ban me, asswipe. Yeah, looks like you’ve found a hell of a solution to your problems. Just… ban them!”]
Quick answers: No, your words don’t bother me. Your words mean absolutely nothing to me. There’s a difference. And you’re clogging up my site. You haven’t rained on my parade, or caused me to reconsider my position one bit. Do you understand? You are nothing to me. Your opinions mean nothing to me.
And no, I don’t ban my problems. I solve my problems. In this case, my “problem” is an annoying pest whose words mean nothing to me but who won’t take the hint and bugger off, so his annoying, vapid words keep showing up in my inbox. And here’s a hint: if you can’t make your arguments fly after 19 comments, it may be time to move on to other pursuits. I gave you plenty of time to “dissent.” Now you’re just a gnat brushing against my lip while I’m trying to enjoy some delicious watermelon.
So. Now I’ve solved my problem. Like an American.
fuking with my people…this shit is on..
im headin to iraq next year….