Doug Ross fills in some blanks.
Naturally, we all knew the media would go full-throated in blaming the evil right wingers for an horrific act by some nutjob. Because they have no shame, and because, as the propaganda arm of the progressive movement, they won’t let any crisis go to waste.
Don’t cow to it. This shooting was no more the fault of critics of the left than it was the fault of Masons or Druids or ZOG — and the attempts to frame it otherwise is just another example of how eager the left is to find ways to chill speech critical of them or their agenda.
Remember: were the shooter a TEA Party member, I doubt very much the left would be reflecting on how their constant, public sneering at (and defamation of) vast swathes of fiscal conservatives prompted retaliation by some teabagger against his nemeses — and that his actions were simply an example of “chickens coming home to roost.”
They are bald-faced hypocrites. And any “pragmatic” conservative who begins calling for “tempering” criticism of the left as a result of this tragedy is no better than the most vile and opportunistic leftist looking to steal your liberties.
Those are the facts. So have at it, David Frum, et al. It’ll make it easy for us to spot you.
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update: Uh oh, Mr Krugman. Uh oh.
Guess we’ll start hearing again how political affiliations had nothing to do with the shootings, once this is all sorted out. Such a complete 180 is as natural to the left as breathing.
(h/t Doug Ross)
I still blame Target Stores. Their Bullseye logo is a clear incitement to
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Monster,
Not just Target Stores should change their name and logo, I believe this demonstrates that American society has been corrupted by all manner of so-called games which use targets – be it archery or shooting of guns, either via video games or in the flesh.
There should be a law banning all such games and behavior (including hunting) with the only exception being military or police.
Olberman’s rant last night was epic.
FTFY.
That new Walmart logo is just a fig-leafed representation of crosshairs.
So’s the Mercedes logo, for that matter.
And just because the closed arcs in the Toyota logo aren’t concentric, doesn’t mean they’re really fooling anybody.
And Lucent? I’ve got my eye on you.
CBS too, for that matter.
Clyburn begins by blaming vitriolic rhetoric for inciting this lunatic, then Juan Williams tags in and claims the vitriol is hotter because Obama is president.
There’s not 120 IQ points between them.
Not having absorbed the zeitgeist of the 70s, I’m unsure what would explain the likes of Squeaky Fromme, Son of Sam, and the Zodiac Killer, but I’m sure there was some sort of pathology that was pointed to by the MSM, some overarching theme. But, anyone who lived through the ’80s would know that it’s right and proper to blame this on Stephen King, Heavy Metal, and/or Dungeons and Dragons (or an unhealthy fascination with Jodie Foster). Or how about the ’90s, when Columbine was caused by some weird combination of the Internet, Bullying, and America’s morbid fascination with guns…………..
What did Clyburn say about Reagan’s shooting?
This is a vitriolicly rhetorical question.
Joe Klein is a festering squeak hole.
Instead of defending yourselves to the left — because they know their current indictment is ridiculous, and are only using it to try to score political points by putting you on the defensive — embrace it. Tell them is they don’t stop their yapping, your dog might tell them that they are next.
The point being, the left wouldn’t be ranting about the danger of the wingnuts if they truly feared there was such a widespread danger. So rather than play the game by their rules, just embrace the OUTLAWISM and say, “dying ain’t much of a way to make a living, boy” — then spit some tobacco on a dog.
Top 5 favorite movie
Bang on, people.
Rachel Sklar is an aggressive idiot.
Fuck them all. Do they see the irony of spitting out their hatred of the evil right in the wake of this tragedy? Will they take blame if some agitated enviro-loon or aggressive progressive who hates him some “big oil” or some such goes on a killing spree?
The answers: 1) yes 2) no. Of course they’ll take no blame, and of course they see the irony. They just assume we won’t — or rather, that we’ll fear looking “extreme” to the “moderates” and “independents,” so they’ve decided to put us on the defensive. Because they are craven, soulless opportunists.
Here’s my reply to Olbermann, Krugman, Kos, and all the rest: go fuck yourselves, you vile liberty thieves. I don’t much care what you think about me. You should be more worried about what Americans are feeling about you — which they made evident in the last election.
Stay out of my way and keep out of my business. End of talk.
Guess we’ll start hearing again how political affiliations had nothing to do with the shootings, once this is all sorted out. Such a complete 180 is as natural to the left as breathing.
Amen.
frumpy frumpster
Can We Tone Down the Political Rhetoric?
This whole deal has me thinking about Smith’s “unsocial passions”.*
In regards to them: “Mere expressions of [unprovoked, unreasonable] spite inspire it against nobody, but the man who uses them.”
In regards to us: “It must appear, in short, from our whole manner, without our labouring affectedly to express it, that passion has not extinguished our humanity; and that if we yield to the dictates of [provoked, justifiable] revenge, it is with reluctance, from necessity, and in consequence of great and repeated provocations.”
Leftists are practically giddy with delight over this shooting.
The answer is not to go on the defensive. The answer is to say fuck you, the guy was a lefty nutjob, as it happens, and you are repugnant for trying to use this tragedy to frame as violent or dangerous those massive number of voters who just used an election to beat back your agenda.
You want to play the political smear game? Fine. Let’s listen to the people who knew this guy. Do some real reporting. See where that takes us.
That Dem operatives are looking to use this “to deftly pin this on the tea partiers” should make every American with a conscience sick — and point to just how far these progressive “transformers” will go to get their hands on your liberties.
Fuck them.
eating ice cream on tv gets me riled up
I find it strangely remarkable that they are so open about this, D.
Is Smith right? Can this only provoke feelings of spite towards them? I certainly hope so for they show themselves to be truly terrible people. Just absolute savages.
The best part, from their perspective, is the dead little girl. Nothing gives them the screaming thigh-sweats (politically speaking, I hasten to add) like a cute little corpse they can pretend to blame on everyone to the right of Che Guevarra.
Savage might be a clumsy word.
But, they’re uncivilized. How can we have a social compact with these people? How can we act as if we still compose a workable polity with their inclusion?
They need to? Why the need? What is the desperate necessity? Is it because otherwise they will expire of starvation or thirst?
Oh, sorry, that’s right, I forgot. The political left is still drifting in the wake of a crisis of ideology, foundering in waters of immoderation, incoherence and incompetency, from which, in consequence, they have desperate needs indeed. And yet this presupposed prescription of salvation can only intensify their losses. Pity, that.
althouse
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/01/should-we-succumb-to-temptation-to.html
Reading that Politico thread and watching liberals spit venom at the “tea baggers” for incitement with their “hateful” rhetoric, I’m convinced that irony is dead, and this country won’t be far behind, if we succumb to such idiocy by relenting in our attacks of left wing policy.
dhs smear machine
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It is pretty amazing to read about the lefts abhorrence to political violence considering the current president began his political career in the living room Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. I mean “full of shit” really doesn’t begin to cover it……..
Look, I know the left is predictable these days…but, Jesus, Mary & Joseph.
I can’t really fathom what I’m reading this morning. No shit eating cockroach, no filth covered maggot, no carrion reeking vulture would lower itself to being associated with the American left today. Their “best an brightest” are dancing with glee over the slaughter of a little nine yr old girl (and 4 others) because they think it serves their fanatical/ fascist political & ideological agenda. They only pray that this will be OKC 1995, and they and Obama can piss on graves use this to their advantage. Bad news. It’s not 1995.
But I still can’t believe the level of malevolent derangement on display.
If you fisk this some, we sent and continue to send our fighting men & women to shit holes in the ME to kill people who rejoice in the butchering of little girls if it serves their fascist political & religious ideology because it’s a serious threat to any free peoples existence. Yet these bastards, these husks of humanity, these “enlightened” Homunculi are given airy importance here on this soil. You could wish Hell upon them, but there’s just no soul there to send south.
I just don’t understand. How they can say what they do & sleep at night. How they can look another human in the eye. Live with themselves. They only see opportunity, not tragedy. Can’t let the bodies get cold. They leap in ecstasy at the murder of innocents because they think it serves their purpose.
It’s a horribly frightening kind of hate. It’s sickening.
And they’re Americans.
http://biggovernment.com/wthuston/2011/01/09/unbelievable-democrat-group-using-giffords-shooting-for-fundraiser/#more-214292
Well, they were most likely born in the U.S., and that makes them citizens of the U.S. I wouldn’t consider them Americans, though.
I hear you cranky.
They’re not anit-American…they’re just on the other side.
-P.J. O’Rourke
They keep pushing for a civil war because they believe we’d back down before fighting it.
But LMD is right: this ain’t 1995, and we’re no longer interested in what David Frum has to say about anything.
They can blow me. If it’s a fight they want, it’s a fight they’ll get. And I expect the new Tea Party members of the House to react forcefully to the left media’s attempt to turn tragedy into political hay — by baldly lying about the political affiliations of the shooter.
“And they’re Americans.”
– No. They really aren’t, they just pretend to be. They are really Eurotrash socialists.
Yeah. If the leftoids believed their own BS they’d be cowering in their holes, just like they do in the face of the Islamists.
They aren’t pacifists. They just want everybody else disarmed.
From the Politico piece Darleen linked:
But as Pablo has pointed out in another thread, the map with cross-hair images is still up on the Facebook site. Perhaps the Politico writers intend another site? It would have been well had they linked or specified what website they mean.
On the other hand, notice how the quote inserts “a gun’s” crosshairs. But please, is there a gun to be seen?
What, no? Couldn’t be the view from a surveyor’s transit, now could it? Well, no, I suppose not, at least no more than there’s a gun in the picture.
Perhaps we should be glad these political gamesters had the decency to say “Gifford’s seat” as opposed to what many folks I’ve heard say, on “Gifford” without qualification.
Hey Jeff.
For the longest time I couldn’t get logged in here. I figgered you’d slammed the front door on me while yelling “Get the fuck off my lawn!”
Turns out I’m stupid and had two accounts w/ WordPress and kept trying to change the wrong damn password. Anyway, I hit the tip jar to make up. Don’t tell the IRS.
Wow. It’s swanky in here now. I like the new furniture.
I find the willingness of some on the left to use this as a tool dispicable, but unsurprising.
However, I suspect there are some others on the left who really do think the right is chock-a-block full of the type of nuts capable of doing such a thing.
Which is truly scary, since it is likely this belief of theirs stems from the personal experience of having actual nuts in their own midsts.
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another Leftist tactic is now describing all libertarian/conservative pushback as “acting from a guilty conscience”
The immoral opportunism of the Left knows no bounds.
No. They really aren’t, they just pretend to be. They are really Eurotrash socialists.
Yup, yup. We all want to say that and mean it. But they walk the same streets you do. Their passports look just like yours does (except yours probably has fewer stamps from Venezuela and all points fascist). But they are Americans. They vote. They’re coddled in American universities, infecting young minds. Spoiled in government while they steal. Swimming in the Organized Labor cesspool that will topple this nation as we know it. Catered to by every godamn manner of idiot wannabe progressive cock gobbling sycophant. For Christ sake, they’re plastered across our boob tube as if they’re fuckin’ brilliant.
It’s not about technicalities. They. Are. Americans.
Fuck Al-Qaeda. We have met the enemy and “we” are him.
I wanna see these Republican Congressional freshmen lay some fucking wood. Time to right the ship. Not abandon it.
– Oh I don’t think anyone with a working brain has any intention of abandoning anything. Reid voiced their deepest hopes when he said yesterday that the “Tea party will now just fade away”.
– I want them to just keep up the rhetoric. Every time one of the snakes on the Left says something like that, another group of citizens turns away from the Lefts agenda.
– Just keep diggin’ that hole Proggies!
The message being sent by the left to all who would listen is…
“We (of the left) are ruled by our emotions.”
“We are emotionally stunted and have never grown past our years of puberty.”
“We can do these things over and over for many, many years knowing full well that those we so depict are adults and will not, cannot be driven to passionate madness by what we do.”
“We on the other hand can lose all sense, all reason, to the eruption of our darker passions at the the slightest hint that we are being disrespected by those we hate.”
“Thus it is your fault no matter where the politics of the shooter lies.”
More and more the other 80% of the nation are hearing what they say between the lines of rhetoric they spew.
It is like they just quit even trying. They not simply assert that this is a result of the violent hate filled teabagger rhetoric. Every morning show I could stomach refused to address that kos targeted that same district, or the leftist views of yet another shooter, etc …
Indeed. Following this on the intertubes has been a stomach-churning view into the mindset of the left. I’ve got to think that anyone halfway decent, regardless of their political leanings, is a bit appalled at the soulless insects gleefully dancing on the graves of the innocent because they see an opportunity to advance their political agenda.
But this raises an important question re JD @ #11: Should “squeakhole” be one word or two? Just for clarity’s sake in a google world I vote for one, because if you google squeak hole as two words you get lots of links to squeaks and other links to holes. But google squeakhole as one word and you’re left with no illusions.
Thus, I label all these opportunistic freaks “squeakholes” of the first water!
This is screwing up bumblefuck’s economic policy reset button theme. The Sunday shows were supposed to be dominated with wet sloppy blowjobs for Sperling and Daley today.
– They have nothing. Their claims are invariably proven false, and totally baseless. Made up nonsense for political gain.
– When you have nothing of substance, continuous lying is your only recourse.
– The Left talking heads and sites have dialed way back on the tea bagger claims today, but they refuse to report what the class mates of the shooter have to say.
I’ve been too busy to pay much attention to this stuff, but just sort of looking around at the web at comments, articles, posts, etc. for the past hour it occurs to me that some hard thinking needs to be done about how to deal with the left when they get in this mode. I’m getting a headache over the reaction to the reaction more so than I am from the left being its highly predictable self.
You’re welcome to offer up some suggestions.
Me, I say fuck ’em, and tell ’em so.
Abe, I don’t know how you rationalize with ’em. They arguments are completely off the chart.
I’m with Jeff. Sideways with a swordfish.
this is one of those situations where the president can provide a lot of leadership and set a tone … bumblefuck is sort of a shitty leader so I’m not expecting much in this respect
Me, I say fuck ‘em, and tell ‘em so.
That’s more or less where I net out. That and maybe a disingenuous game of: “Why is the left is marking Sarah Palin for assassination with their hateful, opportunistic rhetoric?”
Believe me Happy. He’s behind the scenes figuring out how to work this for his political advantage. Bank on it.
but this post doesn’t really track with what I’ve seen most people are sidestepping “political affiliation” to talk about vitriol and intemperate rhetoric and et cetera more broadly. The douchebag sheriff set the tone…
especially susceptible
kinda of odd Gabrielle Giffords youtube page has 2 subscribers ike skelton and Jared Lee Loughner
Yea, the mentally ill are especially susceptible. Like how Hinckley attempted to kill Regean as a love offering to Jody Foster. If she hadn’t spurned his love, it would have never happened.
So, it’s all Jody Foster’s fault.
One has to wonder why Giffords’ Youtube page is subscribed to only two others [see bottom left] and one is the shooter’s. Very odd.
– A little revolution sometimes is a good thing, particularly when you find your country has been sucked into the soulless maw of Socialism.
– The Progressives will act even more impulsive as they continue to faulter and lose power. Expect it. Did anyone really think they could help themselves. We should welcome it all. More and faster please.
– Exposure is the absolute kiss of death for the Left.
Heh. Beat me to it, newrouter.
I’m curious to see how bumble plays it but I think we have a clue already
propaganda whore Viv Schiller’s National Soros Radio started out very cautiously but then sometime yesterday afternoon they got their marching orders and now all their propaganda has the flavor of the Liz Halloran piece linked above
And we should note this as well… the propaganda whores are explicitly linking the postponing of ALL legislative business in the House for the week with the health care repeal billl…
I believe it was Sun-tzu who said “Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake”. They’ve got the shooter in custody and I think dicentra is right, he’s almost undoubtedly a paranoid schizophrenic. So there’s about a 50/50 chance that he attributes the voices in his head to “god” or “space aliens”* and it’s highly unlikely that he’ll atribute his behavior to so paultry a source as Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh. I predict a big Nevermind from the lefties.
*Full disclosure: I was married to a young lady who took her orders from the space aliens. There’s just no rationality to be found there and it’s hideously evil to try to ascribe political motives to someone in the grips of such psychosis.
But but but SWEN, they’re susceptible. We need to sanitize everything for the weakest among us.
Or something.
That’s more or less where I net out. That and maybe a disingenuous game of: “Why is the left is marking Sarah Palin for assassination with their hateful, opportunistic rhetoric?”
I dip into Twitter now and then and it seems a new mocking the Left tact is trying to take hold by coming up with all the things Palin is “responsible for” …. like taking the last bit of toilet paper from the public restroom stalls.
Along with Fuck it, Mock it, would seem to be a good stategy.
We’re all going to be asked to join the “No Labels” bandwagon.
Fuck that and fuck them. I can aptly describe who people are without dissembling about it. I don’t need the newest PC police telling me that identifying things as what they are is now “hate.”
I want them to just keep up the rhetoric. Every time one of the snakes on the Left says something like that, another group of citizens turns away from the Lefts agenda.
I think (I pray) America has finally been to this circus, and seen the evil clowns for the last time. November was a good sign. The Democrats have long since been the party of JFK. They have no knowledge of a man named “Scoop” Jackson. I actually miss Bill Clinton’s Democrats. These people are teh crazy. They are now the party of Grayson and Dohrn. Kos and Olberman. Pelosi and Holder. Krugman and Yglesias. An effete pile of petty, spoiled, self entitled narcissists. Wannabe nobles. A new ruling class, a few with piddly degrees from intellectually dead institutions. Capable of producing absolutely nothing tangible. Not a godamn thing. Self loathing infants with shotguns. Broken, angry, and miserable in their own company. And lets not forget, a rabid, cultist hate of all that they, in their totalitarian wisdom, deem “the other”.
The fucking collective psychotic.
Good grief.
I don’t think it’s helpful for Palin aids to say no those were “surveyor’s marks” not gun sights.
True enough, Swen, but Jeff’s advice is sound. Fuck ’em. Push ’em back.
When they plead for calm and compassion, remind them that in the moments after the shooting the Right was offering condolences and advising waiting for details — and the leftoids launched into full-throated attacks on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party, with no or rare mention of the victims.
In another few hours they’ll be starting to walk it back (some already have, largely by calling for “compassion”). Don’t let up. Keep up the skeer, as an otherwise thoroughly unadmirable person once said. Where’s their compassion for Mr. Pratt, for instance (see Darleen’s most recent post)? Some of them do have consciences, they’re just thoughtless. For the rest, hurt ’em when you can.
Regards,
Ric
“We’re all going to be asked to join the “No Labels” bandwagon.”
– As their impulsiveness drives them to do more and more acts of desperation to hang omto power, and their true nature is exposed, they’ll hope they can deflect and get everyone to look the other way.
– It won’t work. By the very nature of unprincipled politics, it will be doomed to utter failure.
– When they attack Palin so rapaciously they betray their deep set fear of anything that smacks of American individualism. I’m sure their poli-sci profs warned them that American independence is their Waterloo.
– Me, I’m lovin’ ot. We had to suffer through the creeping takeover of all we hold dear by the narcissistic soulless godless damned. Now we can take joy in watching their movement desolve and rot.
Along with Fuck it, Mock it, would seem to be a good stategy.
I await the great Iowahawk on this.
For Abe: I get what your saying and where you “net out” and why, but there has to be a line with this. There has to be. I’m not talking pistols at dawn with these degenerates, but shit. At what point do you, to quote Morty in Layer Cake, announce, “Somebody’s about to get a fuckin’ slap”.
if you want “fight back” don’t look to any cowardly failshit senior Team R senators for help
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The Left keeps screeching about “violent political rhetoric” in the “last 2 years” but seem to want to bury the firebombing of Palin’s church
Fuck the senior Republican senator who is down on having to talk to her/his constituents at townhall meetings, and who hates an electorate that, by informing itself, increasingly loathes career politicians.
Sucks for him or her, but good for the rest of us.
[Senator Chintz Armchair], speaking anonymously in order to freely discuss the tragedy…
Calling those Americans who support the TEA Party “racists,” etc., over the past two years — sneering at them as “teabaggers” — that doesn’t count toward the “violent political rhetoric.” Is what we’re being asked to swallow.
To which I say, screw them all. We don’t care what they say anymore. We’re going to beat them regardless. And they’d better learn to deal with it.
I disagree with you and Dicentra, Swen. Leftism is like a venereal disease and rather than reacting every time there’s a flare up, the psychology behind this disease needs to be picked at all the time. (Talk about a tortured analogy!). Otherwise, the general public will never be conditioned to greet every event of a certain sort with an expectation of how the left will conduct themselves so it won’t become the bad joke it deserves to be. Their naked, soulless opportunism is almost secondary to the fact that they spend any and all other days prepping the battlefield for this and we don’t do likewise.
I dip into Twitter now and then and it seems a new mocking the Left tact is trying to take hold by coming up with all the things Palin is “responsible for” …. like taking the last bit of toilet paper from the public restroom stalls.
I take full responsibility for the toilet paper, if it was at a certain nearby Wal-Mart. Why would Palin use the men’s bathroom, anyway?
I just got into a brief discussion with someone on another journaling service, someone I consider an acquaintance who paid weak lip service to fairness regarding his blame of Palin and the conservatives by asserting that he didn’t believe she was directly giving orders to shoot Giffords, only contributing to the general idea of violent politics. I’m not buying it.
When more facts come out about Loughner, and how he was not right-wing at all, this might just be a bit like the 1773 comments awhile back. The left and their media pals jump up to blame before they have all the information, and then – oops! – turns out they goofed. Few will apologize apart from the occasional weakly worded newspaper apology which hardly anyone reads, but most will stop the attacks because their premises are too flagrantly wrong to cover easily. They need to go one step further and make a public correction to public misinformation, but I won’t hold my breath.
A senior Republican senator, speaking anonymously in order to freely discuss the tragedy, told POLITICO that the Giffords shooting should be taken as a “cautionary tale” by Republicans.
“There is a need for some reflection here – what is too far now?” said the senator. “What was too far when Oklahoma City happened is accepted now. There’s been a desensitizing. These town halls and cable TV and talk radio, everybody’s trying to outdo each other.”
And the witch hunt adds another member. Don’t knuckle under. Don’t agree to the narrative. Don’t accept the lies. This has all the hallmarks of an attempt to start a movement (witch hunt) to stamp out the opposition.
Bush said it best…. you are either with us or against us. This fool is against us. And I’d bet my last dollar it’s that turd in the punchbowl McConnell.
We don’t care what they say anymore. We’re going to beat them regardless. And they’d better learn to deal with it.
Rather liberating innit? Progs count on people being conformists and joining with a herd mentality. Steers. But we’re the bulls and we ain’t following. Of course, to gain ground we need more bulls. And that is what the progs are trying to circumvent. The tea party has traction. The tea party has momentum. And the tea party has been gaining followers and acceptance.
This is just another Alinski move to polarize the tea party and shrink it.
– I like to think that the core leadership in the Democratic party is giving serious thought to their unabashed alignment with the Progressive Left these days, pondering the coming fall, and looking at self serving survival, but that’s probably expecting far too much self awareness from the ranks of the eternally cynical, principally bankrupt nature of the typical Leftist politician.
– Still, as Progressive politics continues it’s downward spiral, there should exist a struggle between the Clintonesta and the Obama camps.
– We should encourage this at every turn.
I didn’t intend to intimate it would be helpful to them, or Palin for that matter, which is why I followed the question up with “no, it wouldn’t” or whatever I said there.
No, what I was hinting at without saying, is, it would actually be helpful, if helpful is the word, to the journalists and to the political left to think of them that way, all on their own, so to speak, without having to be told.
And that last in the sense of an analogy to the old saw about the yacht, and Mr Vanderbilt’s reply to the effect that if the fellow had to ask, he couldn’t afford it. So it goes with moral behavior: if one has to be told, one hasn’t got it to start with.
BBH: Why would the Clintonistas decouple from the progs at this point? They are both still mostly marching to the same drummer. They both think they will be the ones left standing and they both are trying to use the other to reach their own ends. That each plans on eating the other at the end doesn’t enter into their calculus. They both believe they will be the one’s sated in the end.
oh… Mr. sdferr that was just a random comment from clicking around I wasn’t taking issue with anything you said
a Palin aid actually already said that
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Incidentally, the toilet paper thing was Jonathan at NRO being sarcastic.
I’ve tried to start a list tag, #PalinToBlame, to collect that sort of thing. So far we’ve got toilet paper shortages, polyester, and the Defenestration of Prague. Feel free to add.
Regards,
Ric
Oh, thanks happyfeet, I didn’t know that. And it would be sort of dumb to trouble to stress the point Ms Mansour makes too much, other than perhaps to say pointedly there just isn’t any gun involved, and possibly to remind that the district is what the question is over. But really, I think, the less comment from that end, the better.
– Looking back, I’d say the Clinton’s were considered “not the right type” of Lefties, and hence the rise of Obama.
– Pretty sure that’s still the case. Obama even burried Hillery to make the tackover complete. As the Progressive agenda proves a total failure, the Dems are going to be casting around for a new identity.
Both true, but they always eat their own.
I’ve got a new identity for em. It involves orange jumpsuits….
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oh crap … Sheriff Dupnik is being interviewed by Meghan Kelly on FNC and he’s spewing the Left talking points
fucker
TEA Party in Pima, AZ, should start recall Dupnik effort.
How best to get the message heard over all the fodder being thrown? That is the problem.
This situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
And the new tea party congresscritters are just the folks to do it. For top conservatives to call the democrats on the bullshit in such strong terms that the media will be forced to cover it just cause it was so “over the top” it necessitated a call to the FCC…
I’d give big bucks for Allen West to tell Reid on national TV he’s so full of shit his eyes are brown. Or Fuck off.
They’ve come close once or twice. Stuck on Stupid didn’t enter the public lexicon for no reason.
The rhetoric needs to be so outrageous that the media is forced to cover it. A verbal nuke em from orbit.
It would cut through the bullshit with the force of napalm. Republicans argue too politely.
– Good. America needs to see the true face of the Left as often as possible.
– Knowing Meghan, she’s not letting him off easy.
Knowing Meghan, he’s been left in the mud hogtied with his family jewels stuffed in his mouth.
Stephanie your violent rhetoric can have consequences you know
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/01/028100.php
An excellent read and makes really good points, but it will be lost in the fog.
All emails, twitters, and such that are pushback will do nothing. They just look at the flood of pushback and say “they’re so cute when they’re mad.”
Verbally nuke em from orbit. It’s the only way.
See, it all started when the CIA sent Loughner one of their special copies of The Catcher in the Rye…
hah that was conspicuously not on his reading list
A little too conspicuously absent, no?
definitely
Wizard of OZ is on there… isn’t there a school of thought what says it’s all ate up with the socialism?
But the CIA forced him to stare at goats and he now writes “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” when he means to write “The Catcher in the Rye”
that should just be *Oz* I think
I think the Arizona governor should offer a few tart words to Sheriff Dupnik.
And if in correcting him — noting how the media and left were willing to exploit the tragedy without having all the facts, a habit of theirs — she happens to mention that acquaintances knew the shooter as a radical lefty anyway, so the left’s narrative is terribly flawed (unless they want to claim responsibility for setting this guy in motion, with, say, Kos’s bullseye as a the proximate cause), well, such is life.
Don’t thank me for the advice, by the way, Governor. I’m a giver.
Too polite.
“Everything the sheriff just said is bullshit and here’s why” fits the bill nicely.
Are those tart enough?
…Loughner has a criminal history and that campus officials at Pima Community College had difficulties with him on campus… What appears to be Loughner’s myspace page was captured by website Good Politics before it was deleted. In one of the last messages left this morning, he wrote “Goodbye friends. Please don’t be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven’t talked to one person who is literate. I want to make it out alive. The longest war in the history of the United States. Goodbye. I’m saddened with the current currency and job employment. I had a bully at school. Thank you. P.S. –plead the fifth!”
Grammar Nazi.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/01/who-is-jared-loughner.html
push back from the left?
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He had multiple arrests and no criminal record and had been expelled from JuCo. His mom apparently works for the County Board of Supervisors. The sheriff is in CYA mode.
Mind you, I’m not connecting any dots on any possible corruption that a democratic sheriff showing leniency to a democrat friend’s democratic son might be an issue or anything. Wouldn’t be prudent.
Loughner bought his gun after he passed an FBI background check. Did the background check include all his run ins at JuCo or his rejection by the Army?
Is Mueller there to perform more CYA?
Info about the Dupnik interview in update #7. Just before is a nice video of Dem. operative “Mark Penn arguing that Obama needed ‘another Oklahoma City’ in order to reconnect with the people”
the palin meme started early saturday:
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Who cares? It’s like blaming Jason for your donning a hockey mask and hacking up teenagers.
Jason didn’t make you do it. Jason didn’t “incite” you. You did it. Because you are fucked in the head.
End of story.
the shooting started about 10 am az time which is mountain time in the winter and pacific time in the summer. the timestamp at firedoglake is 11:43am. so this palin meme started pretty early in this affair.
the shooting started about 10 am az time which is mountain time in the winter and pacific time in the summer. the timestamp at firedoglake is 11:43am. so this palin meme started pretty early in this affair.
Imagine an army of people who have the same creepy obsession with her that happyfeet does, add in his irrational angry female reasoning powers and ratchet it up a notch with an insane political agenda and the question is what took them 43 minutes?
– all these scrubbings are silly it looks like where we are is
– it will be a good while if ever until Gabby is up and at em
– so we’re left with a
tragedyhighly evocative traumatic mess for which Team socialism and their media will have a vastly greater attention span than will Team R – I’m already too bored/sated to click on Mr. Drudge’s Scary Freak! link– the upcoming symbolic vote on the “Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act” is now somehow indelibly linked to the killings in Arizona, which is weird and ooky and awkward for everyone involved
– the biggest collateral loser seems to be Sarah Palin… her negatives particularly among independents will go up just by dint of the deluge of awful awful press she’s getting
– the biggest collateral winner is therefore Romneykins
– the biggest overall winner will be David Frum, who appears to have happened along with the Right Message at the Right Time, however stupid that message may be.
– Meanwhile Mike Pence and Team R, having heard the will of the voters in the now forever-ago midterms, will soldier on in their fight against abortion.
– God bless America.
“the question is what took them 43 minutes?”
oh it is difficult to tell what the precise time difference was because i don’t know what time zone firedoglake uses. but this ploy has the stench of journolist written all over it.
“the biggest collateral loser seems to be Sarah Palin… her negatives particularly among independents will go up just by dint of the deluge of awful awful press she’s getting”
funny how that work out
I don’t think it’s helpful for Palin aids to say no those were . . . gun sights.
Palin committed the crime of metaphor. Got it. Thanks, happyfeet.
I watched Mr. Loughner’s youtube videos, and it is quite apparent that while he was taken with the form of the syllogism, he didn’t quite understand how to employ a valid one. Fellow seemed to believe that the word “therefore” is magic.
Salon digs it’s own hole.
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Ever win a playoff game and still want your coach fired?
(Hey, it sorta felt on-topic.)
Perhaps it would be inopportune to point out that Mr. Loughner did not employ a scoped weapon, or anything approximating crosshairs in committing his crimes?
“To paraphrase Justice Cardozo (“proof of negligence in the air, so to speak, will not do”), there is no such thing as responsibility in the air. Those who try to connect Sarah Palin and other political figures with whom they disagree to the shootings in Arizona use attacks on “rhetoric” and a “climate of hate” to obscure their own dishonesty in trying to imply responsibility where none exists. But the dishonesty remains.
To be clear, if you’re using this event to criticize the “rhetoric” of Mrs. Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you’re either: (a) asserting a connection between the “rhetoric” and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you’re not, in which case you’re just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. Which is it?
I understand the desperation that Democrats must feel after taking a historic beating in the midterm elections and seeing the popularity of ObamaCare plummet while voters flee the party in droves. But those who purport to care about the health of our political community demonstrate precious little actual concern for America’s political well-being when they seize on any pretext, however flimsy, to call their political opponents accomplices to murder.
Where is the decency in that?”
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a hf editorial in pravda
“And what happened today is a further example of this animosity which seemed to slide into bed with American society just at the same time that this Tea Party nonsense was springing up. Could it not be doing far more harm than good? And to what extent does American society need Palin right now?”
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Alec @ 124, yeah, that’s part of what makes him seem so very, very schizo.
Bugs crawl on people.
I’m people.
Therefore, I have bugs crawling all over me!
Insty introduces a useful term:
Oh hey, newrouter. Didn’t see your post afore I posted.
kinda sticks out how Mr. Instapundit hedges by saying “which based on evidence to date”
I don’t think that’s necessary really to his argument.
I guess it’s hard to switch off the lawyer in your head.
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Yes. Exactly, Mr. Moe Lane, as quoted by Mr. newrouter.
We can’t have people like this as representatives or agents in our politics. In a very true way, they are antithetical to political resolutions.
I find it preferable to just making shit up in the vacuum.
I’m becoming curious to learn why this insane man quit shooting when he had bullets left, if it so happens that we ever learn the answer to that, if, that is, either he takes the decision to say, should it have been his decision, or whether it was the work of some brave bystander to put a stop to him. I’m not going to hold my breath on it though.
“According to Dupnik, Maisch was in the rear of a line of people waiting to take a photograph with Giffords, when the suspect began firing his semiautomatic weapon.
When the shooter tried load a fresh magazine into his Glock 9 mm gun, Maisch grabbed the bottom of it, preventing the magazine from being inserted, Dupnik said.”
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-citizen-heroes.html
I just learned Gabby is Gwyneth’s cousin
Isn’t it (not that) strange how often a random citizen stops these things by acting independently?
I suppose we should be thankful he didn’t pull his own weapon. Then we wouldn’t ever be informed by the press as to what happened.
Hey, thanks newrouter, good dope. There have been a number of stories I’ve heard or seen that sound wrong in the light of that one.
the ruling class meme continues
“Former secretary of defense William S. Cohen, who represented Maine for three terms in the House and three terms in the Senate between 1973 and 1997, said the more partisan tenor of political debate in recent years increases the likelihood of violent attacks against politicians. “The airwaves are saturated with a lot of hate,’’ Cohen said, citing 24-hour cable news and talk radio.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/01/09/colleagues_horrified_by_attack_at_most_ordinary_of_events/?page=2
Hey, newrouter, we fight once in awhile but I do appreciate it when you’re in full google warrior mode.
I’d link a Grateful Dead song for you but I don’t know the good ones. There’s the one about the guy driving that train, high on cocaine but that’s pretty much it.
Well, I started listening, I may as well link it.
mr. cohen is full bore ruling class from wiki:
“During his first term in Congress, Cohen became deeply involved in the Watergate investigation. As a member of the House Judiciary Committee, he was one of the first Republicans to break with his party, and voted for the impeachment of President Richard Nixon. During this time, Time magazine named him one of “America’s 200 Future Leaders.”
After three terms in the House, Cohen ran for and was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1978, defeating William Hathaway in his first bid for reelection. Cohen went on to be reelected in 1984 and 1990, serving a total of 18 years in the Senate from 1979 to 1997.
In 1994, Cohen investigated the federal government’s process for acquiring information technology, and his report, Computer Chaos: Billions Wasted Buying Federal Computer Systems, generated much discussion. Cohen retired from the Senate in 1996; Susan Collins, who had worked for Cohen, was elected to succeed him. “
They have very long songs, it’s still going.
bh,
thanks for that. driving a train “high on cocaine” pretty much sums up the ruling class. osha wouldn’t approve.
It’s going to be interesting if Mr. Lougner speaks and doesn’t stick to the script written for him in service of the narrative.
“They have very long songs, it’s still going.”
it helps if you’re 20 and have a buzz on
Heh, I currently have one of those two things going for me, nr.
In the playoffs this weekend a 7-9 team beat the strong favorite and three road teams won.
I’m guessing this is rare.
I’m thinking with this “blood libel” may TEA party members should start wearing armbands with a yellow Star of David.
Congrats, bh. There is not a sane person out there that wants to see Aaron Rogers lined up across from them.
I hate Rex Ryan.
If a TEA Partier ever got the urge for some lefty killin’, it wouldn’t come around to a list of nothing congresscritters targeted on a chart because they’re in swing districts. In fact, a proper wingnut “to do” list would probably be composed of the very people who are most adamantly attempting to smear the likes of Palin. Why is Paul Krugman inciting right wing violence against himself?
It will be interesting to see the makeup of Loughner’s defense team, and political affiliations and connections thereof. One wonders if political considerations will have any influence on the defense team’s priorities in how they present their case.
“I’m thinking with this “blood libel” may TEA party members should start wearing armbands with a yellow Star of David.”
death to the infidels might resonate with their islam friends
Thanks, JD. And my condolences. Didn’t see Manning losing a game to Jabba, myself.
Like I’ve mentioned to you before, it’s freakishly good luck on my part that the Packers are alive in the playoffs and no one is pissed at me that we don’t have home field tickets. This could have turned out very badly.
Don’t feel so confident for next weekend. Our defense is very good. Yet, our offensive sets are very easy to read and our head coach suffers from a condition I’ll coin retardation.
On the plus side, if we beat the Falcons, we’re going to the Super Bowl, baby!
What you talking bout, bh? Our Aflockalypse Defense is going to make Rogers cry like a lib at a Palin rally.
BTW, the trolls are out in force at McGuire’s and other sites (got their marching orders I suspect) so, where’s Yaoi Boy?
We have about 3 inches of snow. Fell in about 2 hours. Expecting about 3 more and then the freezing rain comes. The interstates are littered with abandoned cars and are at a crawl at best.
There’s a chance we’ve just been baiting you, Steph. Giving you a bunch of worthless tape to study.
Otherwise, yeah, you’ll stuff the run on our obvious run sets and then put eight guys into coverage on third down.
I’m really, really hoping we’ve been baiting you. (Just doubt McCarthy is that clever.)
“Clearly, their distress about the possibility of changing themselves or their beliefs is far greater than any potential consequences they might experience by using an immature, unhealthy and dysfunctional psychological defense to avoid reality. This is ‘sick’ but it is a sickness of the soul; not a biological illness.
From the intense rage and irrationality expressed in his written words to me, I suspect that my emailer has such a sickness of the soul.
In the days to come, we will learn more about the mass killer in Tuscon and his supposed motives and background. He may not be schizophrenic–I am only basing my judgment on a limited, but highly suggestive, amount of information. If I am wrong in my analysis of the information about Loughner that is already publically available, then I will admit it willingly.
I do not think my emailer will do likewise because he will ignore any information that does not conform to his precious worldview. Either way–for Loughner and my emailer, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.”
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The daughter and I were having a conversation at dinner tonight and I was telling her about the brou-haha we’ve been discussing surrounding Huck Finn. Her comment was spot on. She was indignant: “that would be like completing the Mona Lisa’s smile.”
Smart girl.
I expect y’all to become intimately acquainted with Abraham and Bierman and Babineaux. From the bottom of the pile. ;)
We match up pretty well on D, probably better, Steph.
Smiley emoticon.
And we have a far better quarterback with many more talented receivers.
(I may as well put on a brave face in case we win so I can act all cool and shit afterwards.)
bh, what were the packers packing that they got to be known as the Packers?
And we have a far better quarterback with many more talented receivers.
Snort. You been lurking at the dhimmi sites too much today? It’s contagious.
Meat, as best I know, sdferr.
Don’t snort, S. This can become an embarrassing blow out very quickly if you jinx your team.
We do though, have the better team. Better quarterback, better receivers and a better defense.
You have the better coach. That means a good bit, but not everything.
(I see where this is headed. Within a couple days, I’ll have a couple grand on it.)
I am with you bh. Plus, the Packers should get a couple points for being on the road.
The way I turn nine sentences into five paragraphs that each look like a single line?
Not good. I would appreciate a lawyer, thank you very much.
B. Orr.
Yeah, it’s a tricky combination to bet against.
Unless you’re the Patriots. Who we only lost by three against on the road… with our back up quarterback.
Hmmm.
Barring any injuries, I would think that the Atl vs Green Bay game may have one of the most attractive lines of the week.
Probably seven for the Falcons, I’d guess, JD. Anything less than that and the Packers are essentially favored.
The thing is, Don Capers hasn’t let anything get out of control. And so he hasn’t shown anything yet.
Stop us? Yeah, we’ll stop you, too. We’ll get two or three TDs though.
Patriots or bust.
Atl was only 5-3 against the spread as home favorites. Green Bay should have beat them around Thanksgiving. Plus, Atl will be the trendy pick, the new darlings, so the line will push in a good direction.
Not that I would ever gamble on a game, NTTAWWT.
I’m not going to jinx anyone.
I talk football trash for fun. The real action is at the college level anyways. Football ain’t football without the band and drumline as the background noise. do do do do Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! do do do do ad nauseum. Unless it’s that damn Rocky Top. Then I’m hoping the stands collapse. But that’s just me.
Wow, I was way off, in a good way. Just checked and the spread is two points Falcons.
Is that the betting action or are the Packers straight up favored on the road?
Never bet the under. Nver. That is the end of my advise for the day. If you ever want to be the under, simply reach into your wallet, send me half of your cash, and ea the ore half, which is a far more effective use of your money.
My keyboard is screwing up … Eat the other half
It would prolly be a pick em on a neutral field.
They’re just hedging the line in case the Georgia Dome collapses from all this global warming.
We’re up to almost 5 inches of snow and the freezing rain and sleet haven’t started yet.
Pennsylvania Rep. Robert Brady, a Democrat from Philadelphia, told CNN that he also plans to take legislative action. He will introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html#ixzz1Abovb8f9
And it starts… did this guy understand anything that was said during the reading of the constitution? Dumb question.
We shall have to start talking trash later this week, Steph.
Yeah, would have figured at least three for home myself, JD. Is someone hurt on the Falcons that don’t know about?
I figured it would start at 2.5. I suspect it will be higher once the SEC fans start betting.
that I don’t know about
Sorry, didn’t see that Darleen had posted a new thread.
#114
No relation whatsoever.
I just want to make that clear.