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Red dawn [UPDATED]

Via Rush Limbaugh, the US delegation at the Cancun global warming summit, in draft version of final summit agreement, agrees to as much as 1.5% of GDP transfer of wealth per year to the UN (above and beyond dues) to combat man-made global climate change — though the language of the agreement doesn’t specify that the money go toward combating global climate change.

This is money we don’t have. And it is likely to happen via Executive fiat.

And so I ask, seriously, can we as citizens bring suit against our government to stop this institutionalized thievery?

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update: Ronald Bailey at Reason:

Here at Cancun, a petition signed by 215 “civil society” groups calls for the establishment of a fair global climate fund. The petitioners consist of environmental activist organizations ranging the alphabet from Action Against Climate Change Liberia to the Zona Especial Indigena de Nicaragua. The fair climate fund would dole out billions to poor countries to enable them to combat climate change.

Activists argue that establishing such a fund under U.N. auspices would fulfill rich country pledges hastily made last year at the Copenhagen conference. The developed countries, including the U.S., promised to give $30 billion in “fast track” climate funding to poor countries by 2013. That’s $10 billion per year. By 2020, the rich countries are supposed to annually hand out $100 billion in reparations—ah, aid—to help poor countries mitigate and adapt to climate change being imposed on them by rich country carbon dioxide emissions.

Gore argued that such a fund “would get desperately needed climate funds to those who need it most and who can spend it best.” Gore asserted that the prospects for negotiating the details of a fair climate fund are pretty bright.

[…]

In any case, the Cancun strategy seems to be: negotiate financing now and cut emissions later. From the point of view of the developing countries, this makes perfect sense: they get money while making no commitments. U.S. negotiators are trying to at least get developing countries to agree to an international scheme for monitoring, reporting, and verifying (known as MRV in UN-speak) their emissions and how climate change aid is spent before agreeing to the climate fund. But some reject this U.S. plea for developing country accountability as too onerous. “There is no excuse for the U.S. to hold progress on this issue hostage to MRV,” complained Tara Rao of the World Wildlife Fund.

(h/t happy)

81 Replies to “Red dawn [UPDATED]”

  1. JHoward says:

    Not a complete answer of course, but perhaps a start. Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century*.

    The 10th Amendment has something to say on this too, provided it still exists.

    *Not so incidentally, the one-star reviews are illuminating.

  2. Squid says:

    Maybe we’ve finally learned a thing or two from the French, and the plan is to endorse it, crow about it, browbeat others over it, while never doing one concrete thing to abide by it.

    Nah. Too much to ask of these clowns.

  3. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Nullification, huh? Rightwingerz and their crazy codewords. [exaggerated sigh]

  4. Pablo says:

    The House would have something to say about those funds. And wouldn’t this require a treaty and thus Senate ratification? Remember that we signed on to Kyoto too.

  5. happyfeet says:

    this was the goal all along

  6. Jeff G. says:

    The House would have something to say about those funds. And wouldn’t this require a treaty and thus Senate ratification? Remember that we signed on to Kyoto too.

    All I can tell you is that Limbaugh seemed to think Obama could get the workaround by Executive fiat.

    Beyond that I can’t comment. I’m just passing on what I heard.

  7. Pablo says:

    All I can tell you is that Limbaugh seemed to think Obama could get the workaround by Executive fiat.

    I don’t see how. And if there’s a better way for Baracky to guarantee that he gets unelected in a landslide than handing 1.5% of GDP to the UN, I’d like to know what it is.

  8. happyfeet says:

    Here at Cancun, a petition signed by 215 “civil society” groups calls for the establishment of a fair global climate fund. The petitioners consist of environmental activist organizations ranging the alphabet from Action Against Climate Change Liberia to the Zona Especial Indigena de Nicaragua. The fair climate fund would dole out billions to poor countries to enable them to combat climate change.

    Activists argue that establishing such a fund under U.N. auspices would fulfill rich country pledges hastily made last year at the Copenhagen conference. The developed countries, including the U.S., promised to give $30 billion in “fast track” climate funding to poor countries by 2013. That’s $10 billion per year. By 2020, the rich countries are supposed to annually hand out $100 billion in reparations—ah, aid—to help poor countries mitigate and adapt to climate change being imposed on them by rich country carbon dioxide emissions.*

    it’s cherry boom and redone

  9. newrouter says:

    Cancun COP16 attendees fall for the old “dihydrogen monoxide” petition as well as signing up to cripple the U.S. Economy

    link

  10. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – OT ….because, well, sometimes you just need a “break today” from all the madness….

    ….and no, we can’t sue the government….They covered that base a long time ago. But we can vote with prejudice.

  11. alppuccino says:

    They should have had the conference here in Ohio. We haven’t been about 15f for three days now. Problem solved.

  12. cranky-d says:

    If the U.S. suddenly ceased to exist, and had zero “carbon output,” it would not make a dent on the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. This is all about control, pure and simple. It always has been, and always will be.

    They are welcome to come and try to take my contribution.

  13. alppuccino says:

    above that is.

  14. Mueller says:

    #11

    9 deg F this morning at 8:30 AM.

    I wanted to go duck hunting this morning, today is my birthday. As a treat to myself, but it was too damn cold.lotas and lots of ducks though.

  15. cranky-d says:

    It’s a balmy 16F here in Mpls, MN. There are usually Canadian geese that winter nearby my house at the ADM mill, but I haven’t seen them this year.

  16. sdferr says:

    Beans, the radio tells me, were hit hard (30% crop loss the farmer-man said of his own fields). Some strawberries have suffered too. Developing.

  17. Bob Reed says:

    Surely the conference attendees are all good men too.

    Truly I tell you, the audacity of this bunch is mind boggling; to strike up such a connivance during the same calender year when their scheme was exposed is breathtaking.

    They must believe we are all idiots.

    And my intuition is that Pablo is correct about this being a treaty. So Obama can issue executive orders to the EPA all he wants, but before he transfers 1.5% of GDP anywhere the Congress gets a say in the matter.

    Look at the bright side, this will add fuel to the fire to defund EPA altogether.

  18. Big Bang Hunter says:

    “They must believe we are all idiots.”

    – They saw who we elected for Pres, and what he’s done, so now they’re convinced we’re idiots.

  19. Joe says:

    Can Obama do it by fiat? I thought treaties have to be approved by the Senate. I cannot see many Democratic Senators signing up for this and even fewer Republicans (even Lindsay Graham or Meghan’s Daddy).

  20. alppuccino says:

    I cannot in good conscience support not dropping a huge dirty bomb on Cancun today.

  21. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Every year I become more and more convinced that a “precipitating event” resulting in nuclear winter solves all the world’s problems.

  22. Ernst Schreiber says:

    alppuccino and I are on the same page.

  23. JD says:

    Fraud and theft. Right out there in the open.

  24. Matt says:

    Our tax dollars paid to send a bunch of whiny climate apologists to Cancun for a week so they could unilaterally give away part of our GDP.

    I want a @#@!#ing refund. Like now. If I ever ended up president, fourth thing on the list would be “no more coddling the climate changers”. As Judge Smails would say “They’ll get nothing and like it.”

  25. Big Bang Hunter says:

    ….In related news….

    – I’m trying to decide what the agenda’s are here.

    – Simple internal jealousy’s, or are the climate scammers worried it will harsh their footprint mellow somehow?

  26. Dave in SoCal says:

    Even though he is not attending the ScamFest in Cancun, the Gore effect is mighty and will not be denied

  27. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Disarray, thy name is Democrat

  28. geoffb says:

    “There is no excuse for the U.S. to hold progress on this issue hostage to MRV,” complained Tara Rao of the World Wildlife Fund.

    Can a hostage hold a hostage?

    Perhaps Tara really meant, “We don’t need no stinkin’ inspections, FOAD, we’re the good guys.”

  29. cranky-d says:

    I guess we can hold “progress” hostage since we’re the ones with the ginormous GDP that they want to rob.

    Can we hang them up by their thumbs? I think that would be fun.

  30. sdferr says:

    Steven Hayward on the Cancun show:

    The redistributionist impulse is irrepressible, however, and was reborn just a few years later with the coming of the climate campaign. With the collapse last year in Copenhagen of any treaty that caps greenhouse-gas emissions, the U.N. movable feast is left with its old standby — wealth redistribution — as the only remaining item on the agenda for its next meeting, which is why it is fitting the meeting is taking place in Cancun.

  31. happyfeet says:

    here is a nice article about the denial of service attackings what are going on in the RAGING INFOWAR what is RAGING

  32. Dave in SoCal says:

    If the U.S. suddenly ceased to exist…

    OT, but check out this book by John Birmingham for an interesting “What if America Were To Disappear Overnight?” exercise.

    Enjoy the schadenfreude as Americas “friends” smugly celebrate and enemies rejoice at the sudden elimination of the world’s bully / Great Satan, only to watch weeks later as their own countries (and the rest of the world) collapse from the resulting loss.

  33. Entropy says:

    1.5% of GDP?!

    This can’t possibly be.

    No f’n way man. No way…

  34. sdferr says:

    Matt Ridley, who I happen to really like, talks with Peter Robinson about his newest book The Rational Optimist this week: Parts 1, 2 and 3 so far, with four and five to come tomorrow and Friday.

  35. Big Bang Hunter says:

    #34 – It will be interesting to see if these “supporters” are ever identified, although we probably know who they are.

    – Most likely the hard core Left moonbat’s are acting out because they don’t think Bumbblefuck has done enough damage to America.

  36. happyfeet says:

    me I totally effing forgot

    The situation was most serious in Seria where the rebels had captured the police station and were dominating the oilfields…

    On 9 December, John Fisher called on the Dayak tribes for help by sending a boat with the traditional Red Feather of War up the Baram River.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_Revolt&quot;*

  37. happyfeet says:

    oops link

  38. happyfeet says:

    More than 40,000 estates worth $1 million to $10 million would be expected to escape inheritance taxes next year under the deal struck by Republicans and President Barack Obama.

    The package would leave only about 3,500 of the largest estates subject to federal taxes next year, a boon for the wealthy that many House Democrats say they can’t accept.*

    Excuse me Associated Press propaganda whore Mr. Stephen Ohlemacher I know you’re on a roll but I think we would need to know how many heirs were involved before we could call this a boon for the wealthy, no?

  39. newrouter says:

    More than 40,000 estates worth $1 million to $10 million

    oh the warren buffet is happy

    Estate taxes must be paid to the U.S. Treasury within a year of the testator’s death. In cash.

    Back in 1931, the liberal son of an immigrant banker knew what to call this kind of business. Matthew Josephson wrote The Robber Barons to argue that the industrial giants of the 19th century had not created wealth in the right way. They had acted like the feudal barons who for centuries had dominated the mountain passes through the Alps. The great corporations of the Gilded Age “monopolized strategic valley roads or mountain passes through which commerce flowed” just like the old barons-of-the-crags.

    Hello, Warren? Isn’t your business model exactly the one that so offended young Matthew back in the Great Depression after he got back from a decade living la vie bohème as an ex-pat in Paris? Aren’t your businesses sitting at an economic choke-point, exploiting the unintended consequences of bad government economic policy, gouging successful family businesses both coming and going, and exploiting grieving widows?

    link

  40. John Bradley says:

    More than 40,000 estates worth $1 million to $10 million would be expected to escape inheritance taxes

    Like the phrasing there. Because of course, having your shit stolen a second time by the government when you die (a sort of ultimate example of “adding insult to injury”), well, that’s just the natural order of things. And if it doesn’t happen… shenanigans!

  41. cranky-d says:

    A ranch house in Palo Alto is now an estate. Yup.

  42. Jeff G. says:

    Keeping your family’s shit is not a boon. It’s avoiding government theft of your shit.

    Fuck these hyenas.

  43. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – The latest installment of Bummblefucks Utopia:

    RobinhoodGate!

  44. John Bradley says:

    “Here’s your boon – we only stole 35% of your dead pappy’s shit. We could have taken 55%. Bet you feel better now!”

  45. newrouter says:

    we only stole 35% of your dead pappy’s shit. We could have taken 55%.

    of the already taxed money

  46. geoffb says:

    I think this “death tax” should apply only to Democrats of all income levels. After all they do get to continue voting so they will have representation for their taxation.

  47. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Worse of all is that no one wants to mention out loud where this is all going, the 800 pound Gorilla in the room.

    – Outright caps on personal income. Everything over “x” dollars in “y” time goes back to the gov.

    – At one time, not so long ago, I would have thought sucj oidea’s were just crazy, inpossible, ludicrise.

    – After watching this insanity for the past 2 years, not any more.

  48. newrouter says:

    is there some way to organize a effort to get the newly elected house reps. to take a stand now on this upton person. we do have some allies like levin, riehl, rsm, et al to arrange this. thoughts?

  49. Big Bang Hunter says:

    ludicrous*

  50. newrouter says:

    we shouldn’t let bonerfag get his windfall easily. we should fight the insiders now not on day one.

  51. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – newrouter, the Senate Dems are trying to block a vote on the compromise as we text. Composing a letter to Pill-losi.There’s nothing to say this is even going to fly.

  52. newrouter says:

    60/240 = 25% of the rep in the house in the 112. that’s the effin base of the party. not safe seat losers like upton.

  53. newrouter says:

    There’s nothing to say this is even going to fly.

    i’m talking about bonerfags committee choices for 112 congress. ban the edison light bulb upton is one of bonerfags’ choices

  54. newrouter says:

    to be clear i want these folks to challenge bonerfag before he becomes speaker.

  55. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Bumbblefuck is using his lap dog, Summers, to warn that if the Dems don’t back his compromise we could be looking at a double dip recession.

    – So the truth finally outs. Even the chocolate jesus knows what would happen with any tax hikes. He just can’t come right out and say it himself.

    – It must be getting harder and harder to hear the TV with all the rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth.

  56. The Monster says:

    The Cancun festivities have seen a new phenomenon: “Al Gore by Proxy Effect”.

    Apparently, Gore himself need not attend one of these meetings. If enough Gorebull Warning advocates gather together in one place, record-low temperatures result. Three consecutive days have set low temperature records for the date in Cancun, and the next five days’ forecast lows are all lower than their respective records as well.

  57. The Monster says:

    ban the edison light bulb upton is one of bonerfags’ choices

    He’s also promised to support repealing the ban, but that’s probably because he knows he’s in trouble otherwise.

  58. cranky-d says:

    The incandescent light-bulb ban has already had the amazing effect of closing the last plant in the U.S. that made them. So, no matter what, China will benefit.

    Hooray!

  59. The Monster says:

    Keeping your family’s shit is not a boon. It’s avoiding government theft of your shit

    Whenever I hear people talk about “giving tax cuts to the rich”, I have to stop them and demonstrate the fundamental dishonesty behind that terminology. Not taking something is not the same as giving it.

    Years ago, the lib co-host of a local KC morning radio call-in show used that terminology. I called in and said that since he was a powerful and influential member of the media, he probably had a better TV than mine, and I thought about going over to his house and stealing it. But then I thought about going to jail if I got caught, and decided not to steal his TV. “By your logic, since I didn’t take your TV from you, I just ‘gave’ you a TV!

    The next caller paused before making his own point to say that I had just given the lib “a good old-fashoned cowboy ass whoopin'”. I offer this free for everyone to use; nothing but Monster’s Old Fashioned Cowboy Whoop Ass will do against Industrial Grade Sophistry. See? I’m such a giver!

  60. Frontman says:

    I’m not holding right now, but I might be able to hook you up with some 100W clears pretty quick if you’re really jonesing.

  61. Pablo says:

    The incandescent light-bulb ban has already had the amazing effect of closing the last plant in the U.S. that made them.

    Yeah, but Fred Upton has seen the error of his ways, and now he’s all for setting the incandescent bulbs free! Now that the factories are closed.

    Thanks Fuck you, Fred.

  62. cranky-d says:

    Frontman, I’m embracing the mercury poisoning that is sure to follow the squiggle bulb explosion.

  63. Big Bang Hunter says:

    “..Three consecutive days have set low temperature records…”

    – So when that happens what? They just flip the switch on the circus narrative back to “Global cooling”?

    – Here’s some more on the infighting among the Dems on “the compromise”.

    – But hey, hair plugs thought the meeting was “great”, so don’t feel bad. They even bullshit each other.

  64. Mike LaRoche says:

    Nancy Pelosi and the House Demonrats just voted to screw over the American people yet again with the DREAM Act. Damned anti-American, treasonous cretins, the lot of them.

  65. newrouter says:

    this why going after bonerfag before he is elected speaker is important:

    As Sarah told Laura, the “haves” want to “pick their winners, instead of allowing competition to pick and choose the winners,” but having had a taste of the power to choose in the recent primaries, the “have-nots” are going for blood. “There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes of the GOP than most grassroots conservatives suspect,” cautions Stacy McCain, who gets us up to speed with some of the machinations behind the rhetoric:

    I’ve long warned that there is a Jeb 2012 bandwagon geared up and ready to roll at a moment’s notice, if Jeb decides to take a shot at it. If that doesn’t happen, the Bushies are trying to keep their thumb on the scale, to make sure that whoever gets the 2012 nomination, it’s someone acceptable to them. But the Bushies know that, whatever else happens, it’s all over for them if Sarah Palin gets the 2012 nomination.

    Then there’s the Karl Rove angle, from Politico

    link

  66. pdbuttons says:

    just sayin- i’ve posted this,mmm,before..
    u get ur light-bulbs-mercury ones–
    go into a fed guv mint building- go to the lavatory
    smash the bulb on the floor and write on the mirror
    in lipstick
    ‘mercury-poison[and any other message]
    hazmat teams descend-shutdown the building- revolution etc..
    but then i pause and think..
    the government don’t care..people will still get paid
    who’d smash a butterfly on a wheel?
    cynicism is just a word that i have the freedom to lose
    me..me and..bobby..?

  67. serr8d says:

    Jim DeMint is leading the bedraggled Republicans who will follow him to try to scuttle this sneaky plan…

    HH: I’ve got some quick questions for you. The first is if the deal reached between the President and the Republican leadership yesterday makes it to the floor of the Senate in substantially the same form, will you vote for cloture to allow a final vote on it? And would you vote for it on that final vote if it cleared cloture?

    JD: No.

    HH: On both counts?

    JD: On both counts. I’m glad the President recognizes that tax increases hurt the economy. I mean, I guess that’s progress. But frankly, Hugh, most of us who ran this election said we were not going to vote for anything that increased the deficit. This does. It raises taxes, it raises the death tax. I don’t think we needed to negotiate that aspect of this thing away. I don’t think we need to extend unemployment any further without paying for it, and without making some modifications such as turning it into a loan at some point. It then encourages people to go back to work. So there’s a lot of problems with it. I mean, and frankly, the biggest problem I have, Hugh, is we don’t need a temporary economy, which means we don’t need a temporary tax rate. A permanent extension of our current tax rates would allow businesses to plan five and ten years in advance, and that’s how you build an economy.

    h/t Dennis the Peasant, who adds

    * Mitch McConnell is The Enemy. By brokering a nearly $1 trillion increase in the federal deficit, McConnell has proved that the Republican Old Guard learned absolutely nothing during their time in the wilderness.

    Quite frankly, at this point I can only hope that Nancy Pelosi has the balls to scuttle this deal.

  68. bh says:

    $14T*.015=$210B yearly=15% of all discretionary spending.

    Not likely.

  69. newrouter says:

    Hackers in London apparently affiliated with “Operation Payback” – a group of supporters of Julian Assange and Wikileaks – have tried to shut down SarahPac and have disrupted Sarah and Todd Palin’s personal credit card accounts….And of course, the government of the United States is standing idly by, twiddling its thumbs and dawdling.

    And Eric Holder? He’s still reading the Instruction Manual for Attorney General.

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/12/wikileak-supporters-declare-cyberwar-on.html

  70. happyfeet says:

    green power

    “Also, potential additional environmental compliance costs based on evolving water cooling regulatory requirements — at both the federal and state government levels — created significant regulatory and economic uncertainty,” Crane said.

  71. JHoward says:

    Keeping your family’s shit is not a boon. It’s avoiding government theft of your shit.

    Good to see you write that, boss. Added to the obvious running intellectual fraud of leftism — such as you’ve written about here for then last decade — and I think we can again conclude that it’s a character disorder and not a valid ideology.

    Time to call stuff what it is. Leftism is where thieves, liars, blamers, and their soft-minded enablers end up. Clearly, it’s a condition, not a theory.

  72. donald says:

    Um, Michael Behenna http://www.defendmichael.com is having his appeal heard today in Virgina. If anybody is in the area drop in. He could use the support.

    I’ll try to get Rick to drop a line here and JOM to give an update.

  73. Entropy says:

    $14T*.015=$210B yearly=15% of all discretionary spending.

    Not likely.

    That’s what I’m saying!

    1.5% of the GDP?! No way man! They can’t toss percentage points around like that, even when we’re not in a recession. They themselves only get like 21% of the GDP and they bicker and bitch and moan about .5% here or there (and .5% is FRICKEN HUGE). To send 1.5% to buttfuckistan? No way.

    I can’t buy that they’re THIS stupid. Really, I can’t.

    It must be some bureaucrat weenie agreeing to things he has no authority to agree to and won’t ever happen regardless.

    Oh you want to give Kansas to Thailand? Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. Right now, yes, I’d like another cocktail. What? Kansas? Whatever… just put it in the language and get me that cocktail.

  74. sdferr says:

    If Obama offered to help sell American built coal-fired power generation plants to third world or “developing” countries he’d be doing everyone well. Doing well doesn’t seem to be his motive though.

  75. SDN says:

    Clearly, it’s a condition, not a theory.

    And the real cure has a dosage measured in calibers.

  76. Slartibartfast says:

    It’s ok, the Gore effect continues to dog the heels of Global Ohmigod enthusiasts.

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