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"Meghan McCain Writes that Palin Brought 'Drama, Stress … Panic' to Campaign"

— As opposed to her dad, who brought ‘old’ and ‘fail.’

Mavericky!

(h/t John)

166 Replies to “"Meghan McCain Writes that Palin Brought 'Drama, Stress … Panic' to Campaign"”

  1. happyfeet says:

    Meghan and Palin have boobies and stupid in common. You’d think they’d get on better.

  2. newrouter says:

    don’t listen to fat girls

  3. cranky-d says:

    Meghan seems like a relatively sweet girl with not a whole lot going on upstairs who has been thrown (or has thrown herself) into an arena in which she really does not belong. Or, like daddy, she really loves the spotlight and loves it when progressives suck up to her because then she’s one of the cool kidz.

  4. JD says:

    How much longer until she switches parties and goes all postal on Team GOP?

  5. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    How long until Meghan McCain and Levi Johnston do a remake of “Dumb and Dumber”?

  6. alppuccino says:

    I think she gave George the ole’ Suck-enough-ellus.

  7. Silver Whistle says:

    The party was also beginning to show what McCain said was a lack of tolerance for “moderates like me” — a trend she said she saw before Palin was tapped as the vice presidential candidate over independent Joe Leiberman.

    “Being a Republican was sometimes difficult,” she writes, “if you had any wayward ideas or attitudes, or if your lifestyle wasn’t conventional — even though what was ‘conventional’ had eroded to the point of being unrecognizable, or didn’t exist anymore.”

    Yeah, that GOP is so hard right and ideologically pure – that’s how her daddy got the nomination, Michael Steele got the chair, John Boehner is the House Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell is the Senate Minority Leader …..

  8. Meghan McCain says:

    Notice me! NOTICE MEEEEEEEE!!!!!

  9. cranky-d says:

    The clock on that is ticking, JD.

  10. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    Actually, the more I see Meghan, the more she appears to be a blond version of Monica Lewinsky, only less attractive and not as talented.

  11. Joe says:

    One day happyfeet, you will have a bender, will wake up next to Meghan in the morning. And then you will go downstairs to see Mom and Dad.

    And it will go something like this.

  12. george smiley says:

    Palin, provided CPR, for a campaign that rightly?? had the last rites pronounced, now that newcomer speechwriter,Latimer, had the same attitude,but he’s trimmed his sails, since his book went to press

  13. happyfeet says:

    I never knew Meghan was dismissed from the campaign.

    He threw his own daughter under the bus.

    That’s a brave brave man.

  14. alppuccino says:

    I never knew Meghan was dismissed from the campaign.

    It was all over the news. She was sneaking into the various HQ’s the night before and decimating the sandwich platters.

  15. ghost707 says:

    I could only watch a few seconds of that torture video. That was worse than any of the SAW horror flicks.

    Meggy gives valley girls a bad name.

  16. says:

    The in-laws loathe Tila Tequila, thinks she gives their nationality, and family name, a bad bad name.

  17. Pablo says:

    “Being a Republican was sometimes difficult,” she writes, “if you had any wayward ideas or attitudes, or if your lifestyle wasn’t conventional — even though what was ‘conventional’ had eroded to the point of being unrecognizable, or didn’t exist anymore.”

    Yeah! Why can’t progressive Democrats be Republicans? H8ers.

  18. geoffb says:

    Palin was responsible for Obama winning by getting 52% of the vote.

    As opposed to his getting 60+ if the VPs had both been named Joe.

  19. Joe says:

    Comment by JÐ on 8/31 @ 10:48 am #

    The in-laws loathe Tila Tequila, thinks she gives their nationality, and family name, a bad bad name.

    I hear Lesbians loath Tila Tequila too, thinks she gives their orientation a bad bad name.

    And I hear teh gheys feel the same aobut Perez Hilton.

  20. george smiley says:

    Oh my god it’s the really annoying one from the OC, Summer, wasn’t it, a Gatsbyesque reverie from the mid oughts

  21. geoffb says:

    McCain is responsible for Obama winning by either percentage. That is why the media picked him.

    His pick of Palin almost upset that applecart but through the herculean JournaList efforts that cart was kept upright though much spillage occurred.

  22. Joe says:

    geoffb, nonsense.

    Seriously Huckabee or Romney would have won in 2008? I do not think so. Because about half way through the primaries, those were the only choices.

    And Fred. Fuck. If only he had really put his heart into it, he might have changed things. But as much as I would have loved Fred being president, he probably could not have beaten Obama.

    Obama sucks as president, but he was a good campaigner. Yeah the lefties were with him and he had the wind at his back the whole way, but he was good at running.

  23. Joe says:

    geoffb, you are right about Journalist and Palin. God do they hate her.

  24. geoffb says:

    Because about half way through the primaries, those were the only choices.

    That too was a media outcome aided by the choice in many States of the Republicans to have open primaries for the inclusiveness.

    Obama was not “good at running” he was and is good at being run. Without the media “air cover” he would have deconstructed himself before the election rather than 20 months after.

  25. JHo says:

    I never knew Meghan was dismissed from the campaign.

    He threw his own daughter under the bus.

    That’s a brave brave man.

    Well, she just accused dad of panicking at his own VP pick. Sauce, gander.

    The family that Pubbies together, stays together.

  26. Mr. W says:

    Maverick had to spend 22 million to beat a guy whose first name is initials.

    Barack Obama, (D-Mecca) could not get elected to the Watts city council at this point if Soros bankrupted himslf trying to do it.

    Sarah mentions the name of somebody and they’re carried on a sedan chair into office.

    So which one of these people has the most juice?

    Sorry, happyfeet.

  27. bh says:

    Agreed, Geoff, from Rev. Wright to talking up socialism with a random plumber, he shot himself in the foot plenty. Enough, I’d say, to sink anyone if it wasn’t for the unprecedented efforts of the MSM.

  28. Kresh says:

    It’s always time for “Drama, stress …panic” when you realize that your “token” running mate is better than you in every aspect.

  29. JD says:

    People who have names consisting of initials should not be misunderestimated, Mr W.

  30. JD says:

    Kresh – were that the case, Barcky would have been overcome by sheer panic some time ago.

  31. happyfeet says:

    Sarah Palin could not win a campaign against Barack Obama I don’t think Mr. W.

  32. JHo says:

    My money’s with Mr. W. on that one, ‘feets.

  33. mcgruder says:

    Im not sure we should be writing off Obama and the Dems electorally yet.

    Intellectually and administratively, well, of course.

    But voting is a cruel thing. We left the living room in a bit of a mess in 2008 and people might want some assurance we’re not gonna do that again.

  34. george smiley says:

    “What do you mean we, kemosabe”

  35. JD says:

    I think people prefer messy living rooms to houses being burned down and having drunk Long Duk Dong hanging upside down from their tree in the front yard.

  36. newrouter says:

    a sober one would ok i think

  37. newrouter says:

    be be up there

  38. Joe says:

    Mr. W., from your lips to Allah’s ears. I hope Obama goes down in 2012. As bad as things look right now, I would not underestimate him. And geoff, whether he is good at being run or running, he is still a dangerous candidate. Bush was vulnerable for reelection and they ran Frankenkerry and the Silky Pony against him (and lost). We should not make the same mistake. We want a strong candidate in 2012.

  39. Ella says:

    The R’s will probably win big in 2010. My concern is 2012, because Team GOP sucks as bad, possibly worse, then it did before. There are glimmers of hope (Sharron Angle, Rand Paul), but the machinations of the NRSC on behalf of Murkowski, and crap like Scozzafava earlier this year (!), make me suspect that they are royally going to f*)&% up this next term.

    Just in time for 2012.

  40. happyfeet says:

    Scozzafava seems forever ago

  41. george smiley says:

    Well remember they were running Dean, till he exploded all over the Iowa stage, Lurch was the runner up.
    The whole Murkowski mess, reminds me, that Steele is not the only clueless one in the mix, Cornyn and Sessions, well they aren’t the Mets, maybe the Orioles

  42. Joe says:

    Scuzzywuzzy was picked by party
    Hoffman ran and Newt said, pick party
    Suzzywuzzy lost and shit on Newt’s carpet
    Suzzywuzzy wasn’t a conservative was she?

  43. Joe says:

    Palin would make a hell of a Republican Dean. RNC chair. That is what she was meant for.

  44. Joe says:

    Suzzywuzzy wasn’t a conservative [even a republican] was she?

  45. happyfeet says:

    I bet Dean runs again

  46. irongrampa says:

    I’ll put my money on Sarah for 2012, by popular acclaim, if nothing else.

    Got no hard evidence, really, just a gut feeling.

  47. newrouter says:

    Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty Tuesday ordered all state agencies to not to submit applications to any health care funding from the federal government related to the health care overhaul.

    Any applications must be either required by law or approved by the governor’s office.

    link

  48. guinsPen says:

    And voters? Cruel mistresses, I hope.

    Beat them. Whip them.

    Make them pick up the front room.

  49. HEY! LOOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

  50. newrouter says:

    nah too fat

  51. You know, I’m still pissed I didn’t get the Jersey Shore gig.

  52. I can be orange. I can be bitchy. I know someone who has abs.

  53. newrouter says:

    yes that burka makes you look fat

  54. JD says:

    William the plagiarist Yelverton is getting his O on while screaming every racist bigot homophobe slur he can imagine.

  55. Curmudgeon says:

    That too was a media outcome aided by the choice in many States of the Republicans to have open primaries for the inclusiveness.

    As well as front loaded “winner take all” primaries where McLame could eke out the slimmest of pluralities and still take all the delegates from the state.

  56. cranky-d says:

    Meghan, you really could stand to lose a little weight. It’s a lot easier when you’re young, sweety.

  57. Mr. W says:

    Obviously, I was talking about guys named ‘JD’, not you…um…JD.

  58. Mr. W says:

    I figured your was short for John Dillinger, or John Deere, or Jimmy Dean, or even maybe John Dean.

  59. JD says:

    Any of the above would be cool. But, it is just plain old J.D. Although I get junk mail addressed to JayDee.

  60. pdbuttons says:

    John Doe/ Jack Daniels/ Jerry van Dyke

  61. JD says:

    PDBUTTONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  62. JD says:

    I have been yearning for a story about flat-headed web-toed crippled farm prison kids in boxes.

  63. cranky-d says:

    bjork is probably nearby with a whip or something.

  64. Mr. W says:

    I just figured it out.

    Juvenile Delinquent.

    I can’t believe it took that long:)

  65. Mr. W says:

    I have been yearning for a story about .

    Careful. That kind of sentence is catnip for Democrat speechwriters.

    “When I was growing up a flat-headed web-toed crippled farm prison kid in a box in western Idaho…”

    “Let me be perfectly clear about how flat-headed web-toed crippled farm prison kids in boxes will be covered under my healthcare plan.”

    “I have been dreaming of becoming the Vice President ever since I was a flat-headed web-toed crippled farm prison kid living in a box in the Delaware dump.”

    It’s so easy when you use JD Brand EZ-Socialist Speech Generator!

  66. newrouter says:

    Sources in Alaska have informed Big Government that the trend in the count of absentee ballots makes it virtually impossible that Sen. Murkowski will overtake Joe Miller in the GOP Senate Primary. A trusted and well-placed operative told BG:

    It’s over.

    link

  67. All this talk about Alaska gives me the willies so bad I might pop out of my top. If I do I’ll twitter it, trust me.

  68. newrouter says:

    tits mccain

  69. I know how to fix that. I got some cream from an itinerant Inuit steel guitarist who was hitching home from a gig in Atlantic City that Merv Griffin demanded be in every employee bathroom.

  70. Seriously? OMG you’re my new BFF

  71. Mr. W says:

    “Bedbugs, a common household pest for centuries, all but vanished in the 1940s and ’50s with the widespread use of DDT. But DDT was banned in 1972 as too toxic to wildlife, especially birds. Since then, the bugs have developed resistance to chemicals that replaced DDT.”

    DDT is the greatest boon to mankind since indoor plumbing and the car. You will note that the EPA wants to ban those too.

    You will also note that whenever Dow Chemical’s patent on something runs out, a large sum of money is sent to DC and the EPA bans it. In DC we call that “a coincidence”.

    Remember Freon? Punched a hole in the ozone right when Dow’s patent lapsed. They replaced it with highly corrosive R12 which is owned by…Dow! Right!

    Defund the EPA or give Dow execs bedbugs. That should fix it.

    DDT will be back on the shelf in six months. The congressman who brings it back will never even have to run, he will simply be re-elected in perpetuity.

  72. Seriously. You’d think after six months living in Merv’s bathroom he’d have had more than a two liter of cream, but whatever, it’s sticky. It’ll hold your boobs in. Works for me.

  73. sdferr says:

    Just the thing for Minneapolitans or those nearby who are interested in Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

  74. happyfeet says:

    Meghan is a very pretty girl I think just sort of talky

  75. happyfeet says:

    I thought she was done though honestly cause of Mr. Allah hadn’t linked her in forever

  76. pdbuttons says:

    if we are to ignore candidates kiddies/ why then fore fart tho not ignoring us?
    my father used to go around to hotel lobbies and have himself paged over the loudspeaker! he was a somebody! and i’m his kid!{i think)
    leave me alone

  77. geoffb says:

    Remember Freon?

    IIRC it’s not Dow but DuPont.

  78. Wasn’t Freon DuPont in the Chi-Lites?

  79. Ric Locke says:

    Remember Freon? Punched a hole in the ozone right when Dow’s patent lapsed. They replaced it with highly corrosive R12 which is owned by…Dow! Right!

    Mr. W, you clearly didn’t read my reply to your comment. Given your predictions, one can hope that your reading of the political situation is better than your acquaintance with technical matters.

    “Freon” is a trade name owned by Dow that covers a multitude of chemicals in which chlorine, fluorine, or both replace other atoms in organic compounds. Some of those chemicals are suitable for use as refrigerants, designated by an “R” in the name. Freon&tm; R-12 and Freon&tm; R-22 were banned because they have both fluorine and chlorine in them; they were replaced by Freon&tm; R-134a (for cars) and Freon&tm; R-401a (for stationary units) which only have fluorine.

    Amusing aside: DDT is a chlorocarbon. IIRC it’s Freon-4. (They didn’t start using the “R” designation to separate refrigerants from the rest of the bunch until the 1960s.)

    Regards,
    Ric

  80. Ric Locke says:

    Oops. s/&tm;/™/g

    Regards,
    Ric

  81. JargonPatrol says:

    Cleanup on aisle four!

  82. Ric Locke says:

    Oops again. s/Dow/DuPont/wg

    A common mistake I try not to make. Dow is, in general, merely capitalist. DuPont is capitalist and grabby.

    Regards,
    Ric

  83. geoffb says:

    Also whatever patent there was ran out long before ozone hole discovery.

    I also believed it for years but it didn’t happen that way.

  84. Bob Reed says:

    Hey Gang!

    Just a drive-by greeting now that I’ve returned, for a time, to a place with access to the internet( mostly due to a combination of my cheapness and being TDY to a place 1400 miles west of NYC).

    A glance at some of the pages show some epic threads, especially over the last few days; it will take me a while to catch up…But first I’ve got a load of e-mail to answer.

    Anyway, my best to all. I’ve sorely missed the unique outlook of our host as well as the benefit of all of your opinions.

  85. pdbuttons says:

    freon dupont was the fifth bee-gee but they couldn’t let him
    on stage cuz he was half-black [ and he sometimes lapsed into
    “jive-talking” mode) and austarlia is our rascist buddy
    and that was frown’d upon back then
    he eventually became a barker at some low rent sneak outta town carnival but sadly/ sucking nitrous oxide out of whipped cream cans couldn’t kill the pain..
    some say he died of a broken heart..
    but i think his ozone gave out

  86. JD says:

    BOB REED !!!!!!!!!!!! This is a good day. Despite all of the fucking lies Barcky is likely telling right now.

  87. JD says:

    Minot?

  88. geoffb says:

    “his ozone gave out”

    I am most likely to simply get “Lost in the Ozone Again”.

  89. happyfeet says:

    here is the transcript I heard a little in the car

  90. happyfeet says:

    “the need to rebuild our nation here at home”

    that sounds pricey

  91. newrouter says:

    be quiet baracky is removing his bike helmet

  92. JD says:

    He only said “I” 13 times, and did not thank President Bush for the success of the Surge. So, fuck you, Barcky Obambi.

  93. happyfeet says:

    As we do, I am mindful that the Iraq War has been a contentious issue at home. Here, too, it is time to turn the page. This afternoon, I spoke to former President George W. Bush. It’s well known that he and I disagreed about the war from its outset. Yet no one could doubt President Bush’s support for our troops, or his love of country and commitment to our security. As I have said, there were patriots who supported this war, and patriots who opposed it. And all of us are united in appreciation for our servicemen and women, and our hope for Iraq’s future.

    he called Mr. Bush and?

  94. Bob Reed says:

    Minot?

    Close JD, but no cigar. A little further south…

    Some, er, pressing domestic duties (know what I mean, squire!), as well as promises made, preclude me from saying more right now; especially in a public venue.

    I just thought I’d drop by and say hey, since I’ve been out-of-touch for the last 6 weeks or so.

    As MacArthur said; “I shall return…”

    Most likely tomorrow afternoon or evening.

  95. Mr. W says:

    Ric:

    I seriously could not tell if you disproved my point about Dow or not.

    Dow owned Freon. Dow’s Freon patent lapsed. The EPA suddenly got a case of the Freon vapors. Freon got banned to save the ozone. Dow comes out with corrosive BUT PATENTED R134. Contributions to Congress continue apace.

    I do appreciate the correction from R12 to R134 though. That totally changed my mind about the DOW/DC axis of mendacity.

    Amusing aside, Dow now ‘reluctantly’ produces small amounts of Freon under a special licensing agreement with the government and sell it for a fortune.

    You are welcome to take my money on the 100+ dems gone at 4 to 1, Ric.

  96. Spiny Norman says:

    Mr. President,

  97. JD says:

    Bob – Helluva guess though, huh?

    They should have put the Barcky the Liar phone call to the Honorable President Bush on pay-per-view.

  98. Mr. W says:

    Simply put, Congress will ban R134 for it’s “just discovered” corrosive properties as soon as their patent runs out.

    Fortunately for America, Dow scientists will have a substitute that is highly toxic and radioactive, but will have absolutely no problem getting approved by the EPA in record time.

  99. happyfeet says:

    this seems to be the heart of it

    And so at this moment, as we wind down the war in Iraq, we must tackle those challenges at home with as much energy, and grit, and sense of common purpose as our men and women in uniform who have served abroad. They have met every test that they faced. Now, it is our turn. Now, it is our responsibility to honor them by coming together, all of us, and working to secure the dream that so many generations have fought for –the dream that a better life awaits anyone who is willing to work for it and reach for it.

    Our most urgent task is to restore our economy, and put the millions of Americans who have lost their jobs back to work. To strengthen our middle class, we must give all our children the education they deserve, and all our workers the skills that they need to compete in a global economy. We must jumpstart industries that create jobs, and end our dependence on foreign oil. We must unleash the innovation that allows new products to roll off our assembly lines, and nurture the ideas that spring from our entrepreneurs. This will be difficult. But in the days to come, it must be our central mission as a people, and my central responsibility as President.

    Our central mission as a people, cocksucker, is not to have a central mission as a people.

    You don’t understand that at all.

  100. JD says:

    It is not difficult, Barcky. Get the fuck out of their way, and get your feet off their throat. That is a good start.

  101. Spiny Norman says:

    “Bedbugs, a common household pest for centuries, all but vanished in the 1940s and ’50s with the widespread use of DDT. But DDT was banned in 1972 as too toxic to wildlife, especially birds. Since then, the bugs have developed resistance to chemicals that replaced DDT.”

    DDT is the greatest boon to mankind since indoor plumbing and the car. You will note that the EPA wants to ban those too.

    You will also note that whenever Dow Chemical’s patent on something runs out, a large sum of money is sent to DC and the EPA bans it. In DC we call that “a coincidence”.

    Whoa, waitaminute!

    Are you seriously suggesting that the manufacturer of DDT was “behind” its EPA (actually, William Ruckelshaus’s) ban?

    That’s tip-toeing along the “loony conspiracy theory” line.

    As far as I know, Ruckleshaus is still alive. Maybe we should ask him if he was paid off, since the government’s own studies proved DDT was not a danger to the environment, but he banned it anyway.

  102. newrouter says:

    you wingnut haters don’t like the baracky because of his umbrella handling skills. meanies

  103. Spiny Norman says:

    Do have an “Umbrella Czar” yet?

  104. newrouter says:

    EPA Administrator

    Ruckelshaus became the United States Environmental Protection Agency’s first Administrator when the agency was formed on December 4, 1970, by President Richard M. Nixon. Although many people were mentioned as possibilities for this new position, Ruckelshaus got the nod based upon the strong recommendation of the U.S. Attorney General, John Mitchell.

    At that same time, he was also a member of the Environmental Defense Fund.

    Ruckelshaus laid the foundation for the EPA by hiring its leaders, defining its mission, deciding priorities, and selecting an organizational structure. During his early tenure in the EPA, issued a ban on DDT, against the advice of the EPA hearing examiner, Judge Edmund Sweeney.

    via wiki

  105. sdferr says:

    Wow, two C.C.’s in two days?! All’s we need is Hot Rod Lincoln and we’re good to go.

  106. geoffb says:

    I prefer the original.

  107. JHo says:

    Simply put, Congress will ban R134 for it’s “just discovered” corrosive properties as soon as their patent runs out.

    Fortunately for America, Dow scientists will have a substitute that is highly toxic and radioactive, but will have absolutely no problem getting approved by the EPA in record time.

    The Republicans, among their many faults, commonly look away during the era of rampant corporatism of American government, calling it capitalism. No, it;s corruption. This is why one is advised to despise the pubbies with the same degree of disdain they have for the individual.

    In somewhat related news, apparently it’s conservative to write incredibly stupid shit like this. Analogy: Congress stole all our rights but gave us this nice toasty statism to keep us warm. Do we care?

  108. JHo says:

    Repaired linky.

  109. newrouter says:

    apparently it’s conservative to write incredibly stupid shit like this

    a turd head with tenure thus spake

  110. geoffb says:

    My kind of C.C.

  111. mcgruder says:

    102-Happyfeet.

    that was a good one.

  112. JD says:

    Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels?

  113. geoffb says:

    Yes indeed.

  114. JD says:

    How about this for a name – Mitch Daniels and the not dirty little socialist cocksuckers.

  115. geoffb says:

    So a Daniels/Ryan ticket?

  116. newrouter says:

    was the central mission “mission accomplished” with the umbrella?

  117. newrouter says:

    sarah/thad 2012 to infuriate cupcakes

  118. JD says:

    Daniels / Ryan would be cool beyond words. It would make me happy. Therefore, it will never happen in a million years.

  119. sdferr says:

    And, next July, we will begin a transition to Afghan responsibility. The pace of our troop reductions will be determined by conditions on the ground, and our support for Afghanistan will endure. But make no mistake: this transition will begin — because open-ended war serves neither our interests nor the Afghan people’s.

    Fucking Obama is goddamned lucky his party is going to be thrown out of office this Nov. Otherwise they’d be having his head on a platter by late next spring. What a putz this moron is.

  120. geoffb says:

    Well for myself I’d like to see Ryan as the next Speaker. Good place for him to accomplish much good.

  121. geoffb says:

    New marriage vows.

    Till death do us part or next July, depending on conditions to be decided later.

  122. JD says:

    We are leaving in July, so blend into the horizon, take a chill pill for a few more months, and wait for us to leave, before you go all splodeydope on everyone.

  123. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    A dream for 2012:
    Mitch Daniels – POTUS
    David Petreaus – VPOTUS
    Mitt Romney – Treasury Sec’y
    John Bolton – Sec’y of State
    Paul Ryan – Speaker of the House
    Newt Gingrich – Head of the GOP
    Sarah Palin – the White Oprah (TV show dissing with other conservative women)
    John Boehner/Mitch McConnel – long gone
    Snowe/Collins/Graham/McCain – replaced by REAL conservatives

    I guy can dream, no?

  124. Ric Locke says:

    No, Mr. W, I was only helping you out by correcting a technical point. There is another: the owner of the Freon™ trademark is DuPont, rather than Dow. E. I. DuPont Nemours & Cie. was founded by a frog, which should add to the luster.

    What you have to do with an argument like that is surround it with a thicket of unshakable, easily verifiable facts, so as to make your central thesis more credible: proof by association, as it were. If the rest of the datastream contains obvious mistakes, the procedure falls of its own weight when examined closely. (c.f. “global warming”)

    I have no doubt that DuPont made a contribution to the process that eventually ended up banning most chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants, but having had some slight association with their operation long ago, I believe I can assure you that it was much more subtle than what you assert. A few grants to scientists, a job offer or two, a little money to Universities here and there — just supporting free inquiry, don’t you know? It’d not surprise me if some of the folks who took those minor perks got in trouble with the environmentalists later on, especially in the Universities, but I’ve a low taste for irony.

    Given his previous career, the likelihood that William Ruckelshaus took any sort of bribe approaches nil. It really isn’t that hard to exploit fanatics — you simply turn the handle the way it goes, only a bit more so. You should give your bogeymen credit for subtlty and finesse, you know, lest you get blindsided out of a dark you yourself established.

    Regards,
    Ric

  125. Rupe says:

    I would appreciate some help. I love your blog – but have a hard time responding. My nervous system is shot, but my brain still works – sometimes. I’ve got 4 years of Physics and 3 of Chemistry. (Go Purdue). I don’t have much to offer – I can’t spell. I have trouble typing, but would be happy to share what I know. I am from Indiana but please don’t confuse me with timb. Thanks.

  126. Mr. W says:

    JD,

    The brand name, Dow, Dupont, Bhopal, changes the packaging, not the contents.

    I realized that DuPont, not Dow, was the company that owned Freon at 3 am this morning. I forgot which well connected multi-national nest of corporatized self-interest I was talking about.

    And as to the behind the scenes work paying off Congress to get Freon banned once the patent ran out being “subtle”? i would say that you don’t know very much about how DC operates. Congressmen don’t all retire rich by being subtle.

    In DC, you decide on your desired outcome regardless of the economic damage, come up with your cover story, and then insert cash until the outcome in acheived.

    Speaking of the cover story, when was the last time you heard about that ozone hole?

    The EPA banned DDT because they’re stupid, not because they were bribed. That was bad writing not bad logic.

  127. Mr. W says:

    Looks like somebody forgot to make the payments on their congressman…

    “WHOLE FOODS’ JOHN MACKEY:

    Q: What’s the result of the Wild Oats merger?

    A: The end result is that it’s been great. Our Wild Oats same-store sales were up like 16% in the second quarter.

    Q: Would you do that merger again?

    A: No. We’ll never do another merger that requires FTC approval. It was the worst experience of Whole Foods’ corporate life. All my e-mails were examined by the FTC. The $30 million in legal fees. … For what? To prove we weren’t a monopoly? Everyone knows we’re not….”

    Gee whiz, John, some bundled contributions to the chairman of the house sub-committee which has oversight on M & A would have saved you 29.5 million.

    Maybe he needs to call DuPont to see how it’s done.

  128. JHo says:

    But why do you hate you some capitalisms, Mr. W.? ;o)

  129. Ric Locke says:

    Mr. W doesn’t hate capitalism, JHo.

    But like most Americans he has bought the cover story invented by the Leftoids so long ago: that a Corporation is somehow qualitatively distinct from Government. That fiction is convenient for a lot of people with nefarious intent.

    The particular conspiracy theory Mr. W presents to us is based, ultimately, upon one of the faux qualitative differences between “corporations” and “government”: the notion that the latter is somehow ethically superior to the former, and is therefore useful for “regulating” the intrinsically eevul behavior of “big bidness” — or would be, if the mere mortals charged with that responsibility were smart, brave, and honest enough to do their jobs. The conceit is useful to those who would be Governors, for fairly obvious reasons; it’s not clear to me why Mr. W and others who think along parallel lines fail to realize that it is equally or more useful to the CEO of DuPont (or GM, for a clearer example).

    Rumor and innuendo have it that the road to Damascus has hazards worse than potholes and footpads, and the result is that many are assigned and some few even pack for the journey, but the hinges on that gate haven’t been oiled in a while.

    Regards,
    Ric

  130. serr8d says:

    How to get blocked by Meghan McCain ?

    clicky to embiggen

  131. Slartibartfast says:

    Rupe, it’s really not clear what you’re looking for, or why your Purdue education (go Boilers!) is at all relevant.

    Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

  132. JHo says:

    I don’t think that Mr. W. had ever bought the story that a Corporation is somehow qualitatively distinct from Government, Ric.

  133. JHo says:

    And while on the subject, I advocated for the end of the personal income tax and the end of the corporate lobby here probably three or four years ago. The net result would be that individual liberty would have been fortified while the corporation would have been doubly constrained, once by losing influence and once again by buffering the individual from Washington’s acute money grabbing ways.

    This was met by howls.

    We are in fact losing our country to a corruption of original principle spearheaded by the greed lusts guaranteed by money and power. Some of the corrupting agents just happen to be temporarily on the other side of the law’s fence. Nothing a little more money and power cannot, er, fix.

  134. Ric Locke says:

    Rubbish, JHo. The whole point of Mr. W’s story is that the eeevul Corporation has corrupted the otherwise good and wise Guardians of the Public Weal, and Something Must Be Done to correct that deviation from the ideal. I suppose it ought to be amusing, but even my appreciation for irony can be depleted after too many trips to the well.

    Regards,
    Ric

  135. JHo says:

    Actually, Ric, my read of Mr. W.’s material here these many months says that probably the last conclusion we’d have come to is that he rails against the corruption of the otherwise good and wise Guardians of the Public Weal.

    Further, The Something which Must Be Done to correct that SOP, I think, is that we’ll vote some of the bums out in two months. IIRC, W. has predicted that phenomenon steadfastly.

    Lastly, the jackassery in Washington, had it not been nearly wholly corrupted by what I said in 139 it had been corrupted by, should indeed be rejecting corporate America’s overtures as a matter of course.

  136. Rupe says:

    Thanks Slart —
    My Mother once walked up to McCain in the Phoenix Airport to ask where the phones were located. He was not amused to say the least and she was ushered off very quickly. My uncle got a good laugh out of it. He lived in Arizona and found it hard to believe that anybody supported him.

  137. Slartibartfast says:

    I was just wondering what you were looking for, is all, Rupe.

    While you’re here, though: have you finished at Purdue, or are you still a student? What major?

    I know people who are there now, and I know people who were there a while ago. Like me, for instance.

  138. There’s lots of us in Indiana. Sometimes.

  139. Slartibartfast says:

    Where are you, LMC? Madison?

  140. Rupe says:

    Slart – I was at Purdue for about three years in the 80’s before MS sort of took over my life. I can’t type very good and I have to admit that my first entry was stupid. I think it was a combination of filling out forms all day and constant talk of the upcoming Notre Dame game. Jeff has the whole linguistics thing going on, which is something I never studied, but want to learn.
    I’d give anything to have the tape of my Mother going up to ask McCain where the phones were located. I know my uncle put her up to it. —

  141. Slartibartfast says:

    Ah. BSEE, ’83, here.

  142. Slartibartfast says:

    I’d say that ND sucks huge cock, but my neice goes there just now, and I like her.

  143. Rupe says:

    Slart — I had three friends graduate from ND. It was hard to leave the campus. Their library section alone was so nice. Eh – I could never afford it. At least Purdue had some unbelievable engineering labs.

  144. Slartibartfast says:

    I grew up pretty close to ND. Bloomington, though, that there is a lovely little town.

    I think I attended my first-and-only 100-kegger, there. That Little 500 weekend will likely never be equaled, or accurately remembered.

  145. Rupe says:

    Slart – One of my fondest memories is watching a well endowed “Friend” compete in the tricycle 500. She had a wet T-Shirt on so I can’t remember if she came in first or last. — Good Times —-

  146. geoffb says:

    Rupe,

    Sorry to here you have MS. My wife has it too. A very cruel disease.

  147. geoffb says:

    hear not here, up there.

  148. geoffb says:

    Would something like this help with the typing perhaps?

  149. Rupe says:

    geoffb – Thanks for the kind thoughts. I swear – dealing with my government healthcare is worse than the pain at times. I have fortunately learned not to use logic. It makes government types very angry.
    P.S. Both ND and Purdue are terrible, but I still say Purdue by 18 points.
    -I told you my brain doesn’t work.

  150. Slartibartfast says:

    Oh, wow. For some reason I read MS as “Microsoft”. Sorry to hear about your problems; your comments fit together a whole lot better now that geoffb has clued me in.

    So, MS took you out of school? That sucks.

    My daughter has CP, but it’s non-degenerative. It’s as bad now as it’ll ever be, and thank God she can walk and think. And she has a fairly mean right hook; if anyone ever tries to mess with her they’re in for a surprise.

  151. Rupe says:

    Relax Slart – I’ve got another ten years easy. In the meantime, I am trying to perfect the art of writing to my representatives in Congress that seem supportive, but are sarcastically critical. — My cousin actually roomed with Even of Indiana,so it is getting harder and harder to slip insults into family functions. Again, Jeff could do it. I must learn from the master.

  152. Slartibartfast says:

    I used to live down the hall from a Lugar who was, presumably, related to Dick. A nephew, possibly.

    There are lots worse than Evan Bayh. Indiana is kind of a middle-of-the-road state, and its state politics follow. My own mother is a flaming, blame-Bush-for-everything liberal.

    I’m from Elkhart, originally; it is itself a highly mixed bag, politically. Possibly that explains why I am eternally at odds with the circle-jerk, epistemically closed protein wisdom.*

    *said ironically, in mockery of our near-ceaseless barrage of lefty trolls

  153. Rupe says:

    Slart – I’m from the part of Indiana that used to be considered the most corrupt in the nation; however, what with declining population and all we just can’t compete. Chicago inherited our murder per day record. If only we had a local Obama. Mitch won’t give us any money – just because the records of where it went get lost. Damn racists.

  154. says:

    Rupe – if you are ever down around Indy/Noblesville, look me up.

    Meghan has a pretty face.

  155. Rupe says:

    Thanks JD. I do pass Indy on my way to Ball State sometimes. (Another fricking cousin). – Despite many tries, nobody from my family has graduated from Ball State, and it’s not because it is hard. I call it the “David Letterman effect” .

  156. JD says:

    Look me up, Rupe.

  157. Slartibartfast says:

    I’m from the part of Indiana that used to be considered the most corrupt in the nation

    East Chicago?

    Ball State is notorious for…well, I have no idea what it is. All I know is that a perfectly upstanding young Mormon from my high school went there; a guy who got fourth (IIRC) in some state gymnastics tournament or other, so a pretty decent athlete…and became a total degenerate.

    I, myself, nearly ahd sex with a girl that I knew full well didn’t actually look that good to me in the daylight & sober. And that was after spending less than 24 hours there.

    Muncie makes degenerates of us all. I mean, Jon Davis? Case in point, or what?

  158. Rupe says:

    Slart — I live just south of East Chicago. I loved visiting Ball State, but can’t recall anybody ever studying. I think that you’re about three years ahead of me; however, there were a few weekends in which we tried to visit every Big Ten college. IU definitely had the best parties.

  159. JD says:

    I hitch-hiked from Champaign to Bloomington once. Long story. Jaegermeister involved. Woke up in a different State. Shrooms and Jaeger is a bad combination.

  160. Rupe says:

    A friend of mine hitched a ride from Champaign once and found out that the trunk was loaded with twenty pounds of marijuana. If you knew him you would know that he had nothing to do with it. He did get off with community service by some miracle.
    Sorry Jeff – the police have the power to do almost anything. It pays to be nice, despite our wishes of a freedom loving republic.

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