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Lessons unlearned

Which, yes, we’re doomed.

736 Replies to “Lessons unlearned”

  1. Joe says:

    Obama is going to be a tough candidate, but I would not over read that poll.

  2. B Moe says:

    I would be interested in a poll of how many Americans know the difference between economics and ecology.

  3. Joe says:

    Bush was weakest on economic issues (he got tax cuts, but apparently was doing blow during the rest of those undergraduate economic classes).

    A significant group will follow Obama to hell, where FDR waits smiling. But I think most Republicans get this is not working and many independents are getting it too. Now we just have to find a decent conservative candidate.

    Okay. We may be doomed. We will know as the primaries unfold.

  4. Joe says:

    There are a lot of similarities between economics and ecology. Both are non linear systems. Both have periodic crashes–which are usually mild unless you fuck up the system, then they tend to be catostrophic.

  5. Spiny Norman says:

    Never underestimate the public’s economic ignorance. A large majority of people get their news from the Democrat Ministry of Propaganda (aka the Mainstream Media).

    So long as the Journolisters/Cabalisters and their like-minded media fellows control the message, and the GOP leadership is less interested in getting a unified message out and more interested in compromising with those who wish to destroy them, we’re basically fucked.

  6. sdferr says:

    Was Pres Bush wrong to press for bi-lateral trade pacts Joe?

  7. Joe says:

    They may not understand it, but they know something is wrong.

  8. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    No real surprise in that article.
    The vast majority of the non-Fox media spent four years tarring W and all things Republican, and Rove did little to refute it. The media pounding permeated the public, regardless the facts.

    The challenge for conservatives now is to lay out a set of principles and doctrines that adhere to actual conservative values in economics and social policies, to differentiate them from the faux-conservative, big gov’t empowering positions that Bush represented. Paul Ryan is doing great work in this fashion.

    Fortunately, despite the assertions of gthe media and the Dems, Bush will not appear on any ballot come November.

    Here in CA, Babs “Call me Senator” Boxer is neck-and-neck with her GOP challenger, Carly Fiorina. And Moonbeam Brown is statistically tied with Meg Whitman as well.

    So don’t look for CA to lead the way back for conservatives re-assuming power. It will much worse for this deep blue state before voters come to their senses and realize how the progs have destroyed the business climate, over-regulated and enriched the public sector employees to such ridiulous lengths that CA needs new mgmt.

  9. Joe says:

    sdferr, I was thinking more about prescription drug entitlement expansion. But even on that massive mistake, Bush was a piker compared to Obama. My favorite part of the “debate” on health care reform destruction was when Obama said Bush was irresponsible for doing that, then of course did nothing to repeal it and actually made the problem 10 times worse.

  10. sdferr says:

    How do you think of the Bush admin’s proposals to rein in Fanny and Freddie, rejected in Congress? Wrong again?

  11. cranky-d says:

    With this, I’m depressed again. Nothing Obama did is right, as history has demonstrated. The only stimulus should have been some tax cuts, preferably aimed at businesses since they don’t pay taxes anyway, they just pass their tax costs along to the consumers. I think a hearty cut to say 10% (it should be 0% IMO) and a temporary suspension of the payroll tax would have worked wonders, and probably would have “cost” the same.

    One wonders how much more it costs to take money away and spend it, as opposed to simply not collecting it in the first place. We do know that you need to let the market decide how money should be spent, since the collective knowledge of millions is greater than the knowledge of any person or small group of people.

    Yeah, I know, that makes me a raaaaacist!

    A skeptical MFM would have been all over this. Too bad we don’t have one.

  12. BJTexs says:

    sdferr: No, right but unsupported by Republican Congressional leadership and unwilling to to beat the drum until something was done. My feeling is that, when it came to domestic policy, Bush was simply too nice and decent a guy to get his hands dirty privatizing Social Security and reining in Freddie and Fannie. The Leadership was simply to cowardly and beholden to the K Street/Delay crowd.

    That’s what needs to be changed.

  13. serr8d says:

    The attraction of Other People’s Money is a strong one. Our far-left brand of Social Democrats have learned that latest-generation Americans are especially susceptible to that lure; they exploit the failings and weaknesses that are inherent in these soft, weak, pliant no-backbone neo-failures.

    We can hope that someone keeps the Constitution preserved for later generations, for a rebirth, after these ruinous ones are finally overcome.

  14. Bob Reed says:

    I’m calling BS. How could this poll result be valid, if even by Gallup’s measure a majority of the people feel that the country is headed “in the wrong direction”?

    I wanna see the crosstabs. It must be a 13 point Dem/Rethug bias, a las CBS.

  15. sdferr says:

    I don’t disagree in general terms BJT, though as to the objects of change, I’d point sooner at the voting public (our ourselves, so to speak) than at the idiots we’ve put in office. We must do better, so they will be better.

  16. Joe says:

    sdferr, you are obviously trying to pick a fight. So fuck you. Bush was wrong in he failed to rein in Dodd and Frank over Freddie and Fannie. With majorities in both houses. And the Republicans are so hamfisted they cannot even manage to competently put the blame of Dodd and Frank now.

    Bush was no Reagan. Bush suckdom gave us Obama. Who sucks far worse.

  17. DarthRove says:

    and Rove did little to refute it.

    Hey, hey. Hurricanes take a lot of work to create, let alone pointing them at Teh Brown Peepul. I can’t do everything. And puppies won’t eat themselves, ya know.

  18. sdferr says:

    I’m not trying to pick a fight Joe, though you seem to have managed to find one anyhow. I just disagree that Pres Bush was weak where it comes to understanding economics.

  19. Mr. W says:

    If the Democrats believe a poll like this one they will be in for a rude awakening in November. They’d better hope that they have those Census/Dem voter rolls ready to go. And if the Dems win with the old Chicago grift, they better have the premiums paid up on DC’s fire insurance policies.

    Experiment: Walk up to a complete stranger and say something negative about the administration and check the response.

    I suggest this because people I have never met keep coming up and saying negative things about Barry and the gang to me.

  20. cranky-d says:

    OT: BTW, I’m happy with my new job. Yay me! On the other hand, I’m a contractor again, so I’m intimately reminded how fucking much money I pay in taxes, since I have to pay quarterly estimated taxes. By the time I’m done with SSI (15.3% right off the top), State (7.02%), and Federal (25%) taxes, they get roughly half of every dollar I earn. Plus, I get to send them a check to that effect every three months. I think having people go back to having to pay taxes directly would have a chilling effect on spending. Writing a check for a big chunk of change to Uncle Sam might wake a lot of people up. That would be true for everyone, since every has to pay SS/Medicare taxes.

  21. Joe says:

    BJTex is right. I also rememember a few commentators (many here but far few elsewhere) getting upset when the GOP blew opportunity after opportunity. Through inaction and allowing craven cock suckers and Teddy sandwich makers like Frank and Dodd to set the seeds for the economic meltdown. The icing on that shit cake was a Republican president and Secretary of Treasury promoting TARP. And then followed by a Socialistic president who has decided lets double down on failure.

  22. Spiny Norman says:

    Given Bush’s panic attack in September of 2008, I’m leaning towards Joe on this one.

  23. Joe says:

    sdferr, I agree Bush was far better than Obama. If you think he was strong on economics, well that is relative. Still, I voted for him twice. He was correct on tax cuts. He was wrong on expanding entitlements (which is where the emphasis has to be in controling spending). I wish he walked the conservative economic talk more.

  24. sdferr says:

    So Spiny, can you detail the fallout of a sustained run on every money market fund in the country? The globe? Cause I think that is what Paulson was staring stark in the face. We of course, don’t have that outcome before us as fact, since the run was forestalled by Tarp. But at least we can give due weight to the probabilities, once having laid them out, no?

  25. Mr. W says:

    President Bush understood that when you leave the money in the private sector it expands, and when you suck all of the capital out of the private sector and bloat the unproductive public sector, it contracts. Simple.

    And when you do insane fiscal and policy gyrations with no apparent plan outside of the current news cycle you promote a general feeling of instability because the economists and business people who actually create the wealth and real jobs come to the conclusion that you may be out of your fricking mind.

    This simple fact is lost on the current occupant of The Oval Office/Martha’s Vineyard/New York/Maui/Hyannisport etc…

  26. DarthRove says:

    I think having people go back to having to pay taxes directly would have a chilling effect on spending. Writing a check for a big chunk of change to Uncle Sam might wake a lot of people up. That would be true for everyone, since every has to pay SS/Medicare taxes.

    cranky, I couldn’t agree more regarding eliminating automatic withholding. But we both know the reasons it would never happen.

  27. sdferr says:

    cranky-d’s suggestion reminds me of dicentra’s similar proposals on removing the middle-men from healthcare transactions. Pay the doctors directly and watch the wasted efforts or foolish procedures go away. Local knowledge is a good thing, it turns out. Who knew?

    Hayek knew.

  28. bh says:

    It might be useful to draw a distinction between Bush’s economic understanding and instincts and his ability to implement his policy through the legislative process.

    Perhaps he disagreed with Medicare Part D economically yet politically took the path of Dem-lite in the thought that it would be the best possible outcome. Perhaps he agreed with TARP economically yet failed to see how the sausage-making process would introduce many unintended consequences.

  29. bh says:

    Hayek knew, but who knows Hayek? Which goes to #15.

  30. BJTexs says:

    Joe: Bush had his faults and gross expansion of Education (No Child Left Behind) and Prescription drugs to seniors ran the usual course of entitlements, that being the gross underestimating of future costs. He is not alone in this and I prefer to run the bulk of the blame for this on Republican Congressional leadership. They are the ones who do the nuts and bolts of getting things passed and the K St./Main St. bunch pimped accommodation to get those two passed. They are also responsible for not standing up top Democrats on Fannie and Freddie, Social Security and pretty much abrogated any responsibility for tackling the horrific mutating morass that is Medicare.

    The irony, of course, is that the Dems came back to power and then thumbed their noses at any sort of across the aisle workings with the ‘thugs. Again, my hope is that a majority of conservative/classical liberal congress critters will browbeat the Main Streeters into recognizing and doing something about the real economic crisis in this country. Spending band-aids will no longer provide even a short term solution. Facing the truth, speaking of the truth and doing what is necessary, no matter how hard, is what’s needed.

    George Bush, for all of his other virtues, would not be the person for his job, just as I am convinced that Huckabee would be a disaster. Who is that person? Time will tell.

  31. sdferr says:

    Pres Bush’s belief that working with the Democrats would bring the country together appears to have been his greatest illusion doesn’t it? He mistook their intentions. And got a good fucking for his troubles.

  32. BJTexs says:

    sdferr: Right on the money. With buddies like McCain and Princess Lindsey he left himself vulnerable to second guessing. The fact that Ton Delay is still in Washington trying to resurrect the ghost of K Streets past makes me furious.

  33. sdferr says:

    Oh, hello! This should be fun.

  34. bh says:

    Facing the truth, speaking of the truth and doing what is necessary, no matter how hard, is what’s needed.

    Related thoughts.

  35. sdferr says:

    Dratting the drat, I must to go mow. Later haters.

  36. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – That might help Bumbblefuck in some parallel universe, but he’s not running against Booosh this time. His current approval rating’s are running at about 41% among his OWN supporters, 37% of whom say they are mildly interested in voting the next time around.

    – Among moderates and Conservatives its down in single digits, and he’s not yet even begun to fuck up.

    – The only way we’re doomed is if those two demographics decide to stay home on election day. 68% say they’re highly interested in the next elections, with 87% saying they disapprove of Bumbblfucks policies. Those numbers are only going to get even worse.

  37. ak4mc says:

    Meh. Just because Kos didn’t fund this poll doesn’t make it not full of used food.

  38. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – And they’ll be no relief on the congress side of things. Our illustrious legislators ring in at a whopping 11% approval rating among ALL voters across the board.

  39. DarthRove says:

    “sdferr, that book is a raaaaacist, mean-spirited, attack from extreeeeemist Swift-boaters,” he said while channeling the leftoid chattering classes.

  40. Joe says:

    Comment by sdferr on 7/27 @ 9:52 am #

    Pres Bush’s belief that working with the Democrats would bring the country together appears to have been his greatest illusion doesn’t it? He mistook their intentions. And got a good fucking for his troubles.

    Agreed.

  41. Spiny Norman says:

    So Spiny, can you detail the fallout of a sustained run on every money market fund in the country? The globe? Cause I think that is what Paulson was staring stark in the face. We of course, don’t have that outcome before us as fact, since the run was forestalled by Tarp. But at least we can give due weight to the probabilities, once having laid them out, no?No. That probability was remote, as it turned out, since that bailout money eventually ended up going to European banks, who are now doing just fine, thankyouverymuch, while the American taxpayer in on the hook for trillions upon trillions with nothing to show for it. Paulson panicked because his Wall Street pals were about to take it in the shorts.

    I ain’t buying that “the End is Nigh” crap.

  42. Joe says:

    George Bush, for all of his other virtues, would not be the person for his job, just as I am convinced that Huckabee would be a disaster. Who is that person? Time will tell.

    Agreed.

    Bush is history. Huckabee would be a disaster (and frankly could not beat Obama). Romney? A bit better than Huckabee, but I doubt he could pull it off. Pawlenty? I am not getting a tingle. Palin? I like her personally, but I doubt she is even running and I doubt she could do it. Newt? Nope. I like Christie, but he is not ready. Nor is Jindal.

  43. Spiny Norman says:

    Fucking HTML. The old Text Formatting Toolbar is not compatible with Firefox 3.6 and typing it manually is a pain in the ass.

  44. Joe says:

    I wish Fred had run. He basically strolled out on the porch, waved, then went back inside and got in bed with Jeri.

    I can’t say I blame him.

  45. cranky-d says:

    Text formatting toolbars R 4 loozerz!

    Okay, I learned a few basic html commands a long time ago, and they are all I need, so I don’t bother with toolbars. Yay me.

  46. Joe says:

    Frank fiscal conservatism.

    I bet he knows all the early bird specials too.

  47. bh says:

    Spiny, I’m successfully using Text Formatting Toolbar 0.1.4.12 with Firefox 3.6.8.

    Here.

  48. cranky-d says:

    No matter what Fred! did, McCain would still have won the nomination, because he is who the MFM wanted in that position, and The People™ weren’t riled up enough.

    Now, we have enough people who might be ready for Fred, but there is no Fred to do the job.

  49. not bh says:

    coughMitchDanielscough

  50. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    Roster of possible conservative rising stars:
    (None of these are without their faults, but are all fresh faces with ideas and appeal, and most importantly, come from outside the Beltway)

    Gov. Mitch Daniels. Indiana
    Gov. Rick Perry, Texas
    Rep. Paul Ryan, Wisc
    Gen. David Petreaus
    Gov. Chris Christie, NJ

    More?

  51. BJTexs says:

    That having been said, I’ll not put too much weight on this poll, as depressing at it seems.

    The “Bush dissatisfaction” was an across the board criticism, with lefties howling about ideologies and chimpanzees whilst independents missed leadership and the right lamented spending and the lack of any great restructuring of entitlements. Those things linger but will continue to fade as more and more voters perceive the abysmal practices of, perhaps, the most liberal administration since FDR.

    At some point, despite all of the best efforts to BLAME BUSH!, this administration will own this craptacular pile of rhino shit. Once enough voters turn off “Big Brother 6” and actually read a few things or see Christie or Ryan espousing their actions and positions, the light just may turn on bright enough to make a brave and informed decision at the polls … maybe even in California!

    Iknow, I know! Hope (or delusion) springs eternal.

  52. cranky-d says:

    Does Mitch have enough hair? That looks comb-overy to me. One must have good hair.

  53. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Yes, Fred would make an excellent Pres. He has charisma, speaks eloquently when he wants too, the camera loves him, and he looks the part.

    – Unfortunately he may be too smart to get involved.

    “…This thing will get out of hand, and we’ll all be lucky to survive it…..” (Hunt for the Red October)

  54. Spiny Norman says:

    Thanks, bh. When I would search for updates to the toolbar, Firefox would never find it.

  55. geoffb says:

    Does anyone else get an Orwellian feel from the name “Society for Human Resource Management” who along with National Journal have the poll done? This poll is new as it was started May 19th 2010.

    There is a decided slant in the announcement that leans heavily on the idea that Washington DC is the place where all problems are solved and that that is a good and proper thing.

    The new index measures Americans’ satisfaction with Congress, with President Barack Obama, with the direction in which the country is moving, and with the level of confidence respondents have that the government will make progress on major problems over the next year. […] “What happens in Washington affects the lives of millions of working Americans. HR knows because we’re on the front lines of every workplace issue every day,” said SHRM President and CEO Laurence G. O’Neil. “We all have a responsibility to restore confidence in our elected officials and public policies. We hope that elevating the national dialogue will get us moving in the right direction.” […] Additional topics will include job creation legislation, financial regulatory reform and energy policy, among other issues.

    “Elevating the national dialogue” as opposed to those horrid Tea Parties who are dragging us all down into the politics of the gutter.

  56. BJTexs says:

    # 50: Jindal may yet make a comeback. Again, smart and not afraid to speak plainly. Not sold on Palin. Threw out Romney after his craven defense of Mass’ Universal Health Care debacle. No on Newt (climate change, baggage) Huckabee (please!), Fred (luv him but too old)

    Pretty good list you have there.

  57. bh says:

    Not enough hair and he’s short, cranky. Which, yeah, sucks for a modern politician.

    No problem, Spiny.

  58. BJTexs says:

    Hey! The tool bar works! Solid! Special!

  59. geoffb says:

    I had the same issue as Spiny did, my solution was to reinstall one from the 3.5 series. I’ll have to check out what you linked bh as I thought I was running the latest TFT release.

  60. Joe says:

    I agree the blame Booooosh thing will eventually get old. Now FDR managed to ride the blame Hoover horse for three elections, but I do not see that happening again.

    Gov. Mitch Daniels. Indiana [maybe]
    Gov. Rick Perry, Texas [possible, but I doubt Texas this time around]
    Rep. Paul Ryan, Wisc [I like Paul Ryan. maybe, but I do not see him taking out da one this time around]
    Gen. David Petreaus [he would be a great candidate (although I have no idea what his economic sensibilities are), but does no mean no?]
    Gov. Chris Christie, NJ [can a fat man get elected? too soon?]

  61. Fred says:

    Fred! is the only choice out there. When we get serious enough, it will be time for a second look at Thompson. They said Reagan was too old as well.

  62. Jeff G. says:

    Just got this email from Michele Obama: “Stanley Kurtz once fucked a Chesapeake Bay retriever, and rumor has it he likes to hang out in the men’s room stalls at National Review hoping to get lucky, provided it ain’t with some mud person like that Ramesh fellow. Pass it on! And donate to my husband! He’s working tirelessly for you, from the 30-room block he’s reserved for our latest beach-side house party!”

  63. happyfeet says:

    The evidence that David Petraeus is a conservative is thinner than Mr. Daniels’ hair.

  64. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – For the 30K a pop they’re asking for invitations, you should at least get a personal hot tub, with 3 or 4 pool girls from Goricles play book.

  65. The Lost Dog says:

    I have a very close friend who is cheering Obama on.

    What I can’t get through his thick skull is that history and economic realities point to the fact that ObamaLamaDingDong is ignorant of both. And, unfortunately, so is my friend. He is a nationally known cartoonist and makes oodles of money, so it is no problem for him to say: “Oh, you poor things! Society expects too much of you! I’m sorry you’re so stupid. But I will do all I can to create equal misery for all”.

    This is what we are really up against – a lack of interest in realities.

    When you get your world view from John Stewart, you are oblivious to reality, just as much as Mr. Stewart is..

  66. Joe says:

    Comment by Jeff G. on 7/27 @ 10:50 am #

    Just got this email from Michele Obama: “Stanley Kurtz once fucked a Chesapeake Bay retriever, and rumor has it he likes to hang out in the men’s room stalls at National Review hoping to get lucky, provided it ain’t with some mud person like that Ramesh fellow. Pass it on! And donate to my husband! He’s working tirelessly for you, from the 30-room block he’s reserved for our latest beach-side house party!”

    Actually Barack is going on a separate vacation from the Queen of Guns. I can’t say I blame him.

  67. Joe says:

    happyfeet, you may be right about David Petraeus. There is not a lot of evidence either way. But hey Colin Powell was like that too and…

    Yeah, you have a point.

  68. ak4mc says:

    When I would search for updates to the toolbar, Firefox would never find it.

    For some reason, Firefox hasn’t posted an up-to-date version of that extension since they went to (IIRC) 3.5

    No idea why.

  69. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Ryan needs to burnish his credentials w/ a term or two as governor of Wisconsin.
    Everyone agrees Petreaus would be a great candidate, but no one knows for which party.
    Let Christie save NJ first.
    Could Jeb change his last name?

    Best guess? Obama is Carter-Johnson, Rommey is Nixon. Maybe Hillary is McCarthy (both of ’em), though she sees herself as a Kennedy (just not the brother we’re hoping for); if so, Obama becomes Carter-Carter, unless he goes the full Johnson (which is too much to hope for). Boehner is Ford as Johnson deemed him. Christie is Reagan circa 1967 right now. On our side, the wild card is our Rockefeller. Carter-Johnson defeats Nixon by running against Ford, unless Rockefeller, whoever our Rockefeller is, can take advantage of our Nixon pulling a Romney (George I mean), in which case, Carter-Johnson defeats Rockefeller by running against Ford, unless of course Rockefeller defeats Carter-Carter, or Nixon avoids pulling a Romney, in which case Nixon defeats Carter-Carter. In either case, it doesn’t matter, because IT’S FUCKING NIXON(ROCKEFELLER)!!

    The only way out of our present darkness is to embrace the blackness of the Cthulu’s eldritch void. Unfortunately, for us, even if we could acquire the Necronomicon and master the Blackest of Black Arts contained therein, there aren’t enough virgins in the MTV generation to immanetize the eschaton of the Zombie Apocalypse. The revolution, should it come, will go on without Zombie Reagan to lead it.

    Obscure enough for all y’all?

  70. pdbuttons says:

    can i vote with my feet?

  71. happyfeet says:

    doomedy doomedy doomed!

    Speaking on “Meet the Press” on Sunday on NBC, Treasury Secretary Geithner said the administration’s ultimate plan is likely to bring dramatic changes to the mortgage system.

    “I think we’re not going to preserve Fannie and Freddie in anything like the current form,” Geithner said on “Meet the Press.” “We’re going to have to bring fundamental change to that market.”

    However, he suggested that the government will not fully exit the market. He said the administration will consider “preserving or putting in place a carefully designed guarantee” in which the government would ensure that it’s possible for consumers to get mortgages — even in a severe recession.*

    I has a carefully designed guarantee that we are fucking doomed!

  72. SDN says:

    Guys, when evaluating President Bush on spending, remember 2 facts:

    1. Congress writes all the laws on all spending. Whether it’s entitlements or defense. Doesn’t matter if the President vetoes it; that just means no spending happens at all.

    2. Unless you have 60+ strong conservative votes in the Senate, and majority conservative control of the House, some compromises with Copperheads will be necessary just to get funding for necessary things, like, say, fighting Islamic terrorists. That unless condition has NEVER happened in living memory.

  73. Mike LaRoche says:

    “Stanley Kurtz once fucked a Chesapeake Bay retriever…”

    Sounds like Michele is jealous.

  74. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Only if you can walk to New Zealand buttons.

  75. mojo says:

    I say again: Polls don’t vote, people do. And they lie to pollsters.

  76. pdbuttons says:

    new zealand wont have me
    and i can walk on water
    the trick is gingerly/and fast

  77. Joe says:

    Ernst Schreiber, you post makes me want to buy more ammo and non perishable food items. I think dicentra has some good links for the latter.

  78. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Let me kindle you a little hope Joe,

    I incorporate Johnson into the Obama is Carter comparison because this Liberal overreach on a Great Society scale. The good news is that, unlike w/ the original Great Society legislation, everything’s been passed in the face of the profound skepticism or outright opposition of the American people. So we got that going for us, as they say.

  79. sdferr says:

    While Obama has none of Johnson’s political chops, nor Johnson’s lingering love of country, he does have in addition to the similarities you’ve pointed to Ernst, a war he presses as he simultaneously doesn’t believe in it. He’s in for a rude fixin’.

  80. george smiley says:

    No Obama couldn’t hold LBJ’s beagles ears up, and frankly, Carter is saying that is lame.

  81. pdbuttons says:

    one two three four
    what are we fighting for?
    the next stop is afghanistan

  82. Evan3457 says:

    Weekend poll of adults. Results probably skewed in Obama’s favor by about 10% vs. the people who’ll vote in the fall.

  83. pdbuttons says:

    where are all the hippie chicks?
    i need free love

  84. geoffb says:

    Nor does he have the corpse of a beloved dead Kennedy to wave at all opposition.

  85. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    Obama combines Nixon’s inability to take criticism, Carter’s incompetence, Clinton’s ethics and Hoover’s financial acumen.

  86. Joe says:

    This alone is reason to Get Motivated.

  87. Spiny Norman says:

    Could Jeb change his last name?

    Heavens no! He’s as pro-amnesty as anyone in the GOP could be.

    Guys, when evaluating President Bush on spending, remember 2 facts:

    1. Congress writes all the laws on all spending.

    Democrats love to harp on Ronald Reagan’s “deficits”, but it was they who gleefully declared every one of Reagan’s budgets “dead on arrival” and proceeded to pile on tens (and hundreds) of billions more in domestic spending. Reagan had to go along if he wanted his military buildup to go forward.

  88. Joe says:

    Fred Thompson was born in 1942. Just sayin.

  89. Ernst Schreiber says:

    …Obama couldn’t hold LBJ’s beagles ears up, and frankly, Carter is saying that is lame.

    Guess I should have called it an analogy instead of a comparison then. And Carter’s gotten awful cocky at the prospect of coming off the cellar floor.

  90. BJTexs says:

    Hey Joe? I love Fred but the last thing we need to do is run another old white guy against Teh Won.

  91. pdbuttons says:

    i’m forming a drum circle
    for peace
    i’ll beat it out of you

  92. BJTexs says:

    Although Jeri as first lady …. Hmmmmmm.

  93. pdbuttons says:

    lets play hackey sack
    for the peace

  94. happyfeet says:

    Fred turned into a wanton Meghan’s daddy whore at the end. I didn’t give Fred monies for him to endorse that cowardly piece of shit and I won’t support him ever again ever no matter what he says.

  95. B Moe says:

    can i vote with my feet?

    I dunno.  How flexible are you?

  96. pdbuttons says:

    i remember hands across america
    and then the ramones put out a music video called hands across your face
    punks!

  97. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Nor does [Obama] have the corpse of a beloved dead Kennedy to wave at all opposition

    That’s not fair to Ted. It wasn’t entirely his fault that he was a metaphorical bloated corpse before a literal one.

    On a more serious note, my greatest fear is that Obama himself becomes the dead Kennedy to wave at all opposition.

  98. pdbuttons says:

    if i could vote with my feet
    that would be a feat!

  99. BJTexs says:

    ‘feets #95: If you continue to castigate anyone who even had a passing nice thing to say about McCain then I thinks that a notation on a terror watch list may be in your futures. lulz.

    Try some Trader Joe’s Vegetable Fried Rice with some Chicken Lemongrass Spring Rolls tonight. Soon after, you’ll be right as rain.

  100. guinsPen says:

    Pee dee, you’ve become
    A one button drum circle.
    Put the donuts down!

  101. pdbuttons says:

    im from massachusets
    if i had a dime for everytime i had a dead kennedy waved in front of
    my face i’d get drunk from the fumes
    and have a pocketful of change
    change u can believe in

  102. pdbuttons says:

    never said anything bad about you

  103. happyfeet says:

    his mom is 98 and still kicking God help us all… I’ll try the foozle but it might not be tonight I think tonight is light dinner cause I’m gonna run to Carl’s after my noon o clock meeting probably… but I messaged to my friend P about it cause he goes to TJ’s every week

  104. Squid says:

    That might help Bumblefuck in some parallel universe, but he’s not running against Booosh this time.

    BBH pretty much nails my initial reaction to this one. I can’t imagine any candidate for the GOP running on a platform of “restoring the awesome policies of Dubya.” Further, I can’t see the Dems allowing Obama to run for a second term, and I can’t see any contenders over there running on a platform of “expanding the gains made by Obama’s policies.”

    Obama has two more years to turn people against him. The Tea Party has two more years to organize and to sharpen their message. The Dem propaganda machine in the MSM has two more years to bleed off viewers and readers. Breitbart (and Carlson) have two more years to dismantle what remains. Congress has one election coming up that is likely to change the balance of power, and then two more years of facing massive deficits and waves of angry constituents.

    That poll could say that 99% of people prefer Obama’s policies to Bush’s, and I still wouldn’t give a crap, because they’re measuring feelings about the past, and that shit don’t count for much today, and will count even less two years from now.

    I’m starting to feel a shred of hope that my generation may have the chance to rescue my children’s generation from my parents’ generation’s abuses. At least we may soften the blow.

  105. happyfeet says:

    Mr. buttons is one of those if I see his name in the recent comments box I click for sure cause you never know when he will be gone away again Mr. guins… He’s like Bret Michaels Diet Snapple Trop-A-Rocka Tea

  106. pdbuttons says:

    a reference from happyfeet
    who”s been gettin alot of shit recently
    skip my comments
    theres a button on your computer
    for that
    i like guinspens comment
    and yours

  107. Joe says:

    happy, try some Trader Joe’s Red Oval Lager at $2.99 a six pack. About three or four six packs should do ya. Then sit back and think happy thoughts about Meghan’s Dad. Or Meghan’s boobs. Or whatever.

    Closing time. Time to pee.

  108. TaiChiWawa says:

    On a seasonally adjusted annualized basis, the speed of the growth in the slow-down of the expectations index for a negative change in the forecast for the sale of widgets last month jumped by 0.5%. A White House spokesman said the president is cautiously ecstatic.

  109. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Congress has one election coming up that is likely to change the balance of power, and then two more years of facing massive deficits and waves of angry constituents.

    And therein lies Obama’s, and the Democrats’, hope. As for the Democrats dumping Obama, how’s that supposed to work?

    –Oops, our bad, we thought that was an “O” not a zero. But if you vote for us again, we’ll get it right this time!

    The lesson of Watergate is that the ship goes down with the captain. The Democrats understood that (witness the survival of Bill Clinton).

  110. Joe says:

    I have a Fred bumpersticker still. People say, hell yeah, too bad. I should give them Red Ovals when they do so.

  111. Joe says:

    soma

  112. guinsPen says:

    Voting with your feet
    Should go swimmingly, pee dee.
    Pretend you’re posting.

  113. Joe says:

    or maybe two buck chuck.

  114. B Moe says:

    I can’t see the Dems allowing Obama to run for a second term, and I can’t see any contenders over there running on a platform of “expanding the gains made by Obama’s policies.”

    I have been thinking that for a couple months now, I don’t think Obama can hold off Hillary in ’12.

    That bitch be wantin’ her two dollars, what I’m talkin’ ’bout.

  115. pdbuttons says:

    don’t judge me till u’ve seen me in a swimsuit
    i thought this website wasn’t about me?
    protien wisdom rocks/ love it!
    i like u too/ penguin
    i will kill u with kindness

  116. Mr. W says:

    Submitted without comment…

    QUESTION: “If there are only 39,697 African-American farmers grand total in the entire country, then how can over 86,000 of them claim discrimination at the hands of the USDA? Where did the other 46,303 come from?”

  117. Squid says:

    As for the Democrats dumping Obama, how’s that supposed to work?

    It works in smoke-filled rooms, where every Obama “partner” who’s been double-crossed, lied to, left swinging in the breeze, and thrown under the bus gets together and explains to Obama that they are no longer allied. Without support, the Chicago Machine stops trying to extend the Obama years, and looks at ways to enrich itself in the transition to the post-Obama years. Similarly, the Empty Suit switches gears from “How do I get re-elected?” to “How do I cash in as a former President?” He can easily convince himself that he’s too good for the job, and that we’re not worthy of him, and so walk away from the White House with his ego magnificently intact.

    Personally, I think it will ultimately be “health issues” that keep him from being able to devote the full measure of his energies to the office. It’s a sympathetic enough reason, and nobody’s going to dig too far into his personal medical records (why start now?). The real question is how they move Joey Hairplugs aside in favor of Hillaryous Clinton.

  118. pdbuttons says:

    and the bueracrats who process their claims

  119. newrouter says:

    Where did the other 46,303 come from?”

    future black farmers of america

  120. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Where did they come from? The same place that all those farm-subsidy collecting “farmers” in Manhattan came from, no doubt.

  121. DarthRove says:

    QUESTION: … Where did the other 46,303 come from?

    ANSWER: Shut up, racist.

  122. pdbuttons says:

    i really hate the post obama years
    globe trotting
    picture takin
    some fund or something
    its coming/ to a neighborhood near you

  123. JHo says:

    Bush was wrong in he failed to rein in Dodd and Frank over Freddie and Fannie. With majorities in both houses. And the Republicans are so hamfisted they cannot even manage to competently put the blame of Dodd and Frank now.

    Bush was no Reagan. Bush suckdom gave us Obama. Who sucks far worse.

    Yep, kinda. It’s not a partisan issue. It’s not even a congressional issue in a sense. It’s a systemic global issue and has been for decades. The partisan shit is entertainment for those foolish enough to still buy tickets to their events.

  124. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Okay Squid, say Obama does the full Johnson: can Hillary (or whoever) successfully run away from him? Even with a Republican Congress to run against?

  125. LBascom says:

    I’ll always wonder what deals with what devils Bush had to make with congress to avoid disaster in Iraq. I’m pretty sure his domestic record would have been much better if he was dealing with less treasonous scum in Washington.

  126. JHo says:

    The old Text Formatting Toolbar is not compatible with Firefox 3.6 and typing it manually is a pain in the ass.

    I’m using Format Toolbar Composer in 3.6.8 with no issues, Spiny.

  127. pdbuttons says:

    i miss hubert humphrey
    he was pudgy
    and if he weebled he wouldn’t fall down

  128. BJTexs says:

    a reference from happyfeet
    who”s been gettin alot of shit recently
    skip my comments
    theres a button on your computer
    for that
    i like guinspens comment
    and yours

    *Sniff* I used to be buttons favorite … *honk* … but the dam penguins stole his heart … *sniff* … so hurt …

  129. JHo says:

    Obama has two more years to turn people against him. The Tea Party has two more years to organize and to sharpen their message.

    Obama is one fine tool. Obama therefore has two more years to turn people toward him and the Tea Party has two more years to lose their message. The point is that frogs grow increasingly tolerant of heat, not less. I think we need a complete failure to awaken the masses.

    If Rasmussen isn’t showing single digit support for these Democrat felons by now, aren’t we kinda screwed? Someone chuck us antiquated white-wigged dudes a bone here.

  130. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Except he did fall, buttons.
    Which is why Minneapolis named the Humpty Dumpty Dome after him.

  131. pdbuttons says:

    what is this
    shit on me day?
    love everyones comments
    but not recently

    did ladybird have like a big waste management system
    and have weedings at the white house?
    sorry/ michele has weedings
    lady bird had weddings
    im all wee wee’d up

  132. Ernst Schreiber says:

    If Rasmussen isn’t showing single digit support for these Democrat felons by now, aren’t we kinda screwed?

    I’d be ecstatic if we could get their support down around UFO/Alien Abduction believing percentages.

  133. Silver Whistle says:

    buttons, you won’t get shit from me.

  134. JHo says:

    I’d be ecstatic if we could get their support down around UFO/Alien Abduction believing percentages.

    Time to tighten up voting privileges.

    For which I immediately denounce myself.

  135. pdbuttons says:

    if i was in a zoo
    on the other side of the cage
    i’d wear poo as makeup
    and wink u in the eye

  136. ak4mc says:

    I love Fred but the last thing we need to do is run another old white guy against Teh Won.

    :facepalm:

    1.) There’s a world of difference between a media whore like McCain and a guy like Teh Fred.

    2) Just because the Democrats vet their candidates by skin color first doesn’t mean we need to.

    3) Teh Fred wouldn’t be my first choice for 2012 either, but if he were to run and get the nomination I could walk into the polls that November with a spring in my step.

  137. Ernst Schreiber says:

    what is this/shit on me day?

    You’re likeable enough buttons.

    But if Lady is the Bird, who does that make the Windshield?

  138. pdbuttons says:

    jack tatum[sp)
    just died!

  139. pdbuttons says:

    bird bird bird
    bird is the word

  140. DarthRove says:

    Along with all the other unneeded drama in my life right now, we’ve got six relatives from Arizona visiting us. The high point so far has been discovering that the 19 year old young man with lots of ink, gauged earlobes and multiple facial piercings loathes Obama and identifies as conservative. So my Future Hope Meter ticked upward a bit.

  141. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Time to tighten up voting privileges.

    Property qualifications would be a good start. Civic literacy tests too. And since the Citizenship test is given in English, there’s no need for multi-lingual ballots in Federal elections.

  142. B Moe says:

    Damn. I am a life long Steelers fan but you had to respect Tatum. Dude could fucking bring it old school. RIP.

  143. sdferr says:

    Ernst, on the question raised at the bottom of your 98, the Kennedy whose good health we should be hoping for is a certain A.M. Kennedy, along with his colleagues A.G.S., C.T., S.A.A. and J.G.R.

  144. B Moe says:

    what is this/shit on me day?

    Hang tough, buttons. The show must go on!

  145. bigbooner says:

    Comment by B Moe on 7/27 @ 2:12 pm #

    Damn. I am a life long Steelers fan but you had to respect Tatum. Dude could fucking bring it old school. RIP.

    Darryl Stingley could not be reached for comment.

  146. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Amen, sdferr.

  147. pdbuttons says:

    who was that other cornerback
    i googled but im computer stoopid
    les something?
    thanks
    or safety
    im a patriots fan cuz i live here
    but like the raiders
    hate the steelers

  148. BJTexs says:

    :facepalm:

    Oh, sorry to cause palming of face. I do love Fred and would gladly vote for (despite his having said nice things about that cowardly McCain guy … oops! I’m treading on happyfeet, pdbuttons newest favorite commentator evah!) I’m kind of thinking in terms of someone younger but mature with a dynamic yet practical personality.

    So please to unfacepalm. I’d vote for Fred but I don’t think he’s running.

  149. Big Bang Hunter says:

    “That bitch be wantin’ her two dollars, what I’m talkin’ ’bout.

    – And you best not be ‘spctin a reach around, ‘specially on the Left.

    – Hillery must be waking up each morning smiling ear to kotex. Well maybe not that at her age, but you get my meaning.

    – She’s showing world statesmanship experience to add to her other bonefides, as she watches Bumbblefuck go down without the ship.

    – She will be run as an “all centrist all the time” because catching hold of some of that old time religion is the Democrats (not the Left) only hope in 2012.

    – The setting is perfect, and about the only option the Dems will have. Anything with the word Socialist attached to it will be met with a massive case ob amnesia. She’ll run openly on how “we have to be moderate in all things”, and talk about the “extremes” of the past, using every issue the angry electorate hates Obama for.

    – She just won’t use his name in her speeches. She’ll show how existing exccesses can be diaked back, and then they can be made to meet the needs of all American’s and become “good things”.

    – I can hear her saying, “Change with common sense”, “Hope with Principles”, the candidate that listens to the people and works for them, not Washington.

    – I can see where they will go with this. Why shovel against the shit storm, when you can embrace what’s got people pissed off and run with it.

  150. pdbuttons says:

    i read palms
    teddy kennedy had wrinkled palms
    as he was swimming north
    his breathe was heavy
    and stinking

  151. B Moe says:

    who was that other cornerback

    George Adkinson was another badass lunatic for the Raiders of that era, but I think he was a safety.

    Lester Hayes was one of the greatest cornerbacks of all time, but he played a little after those two.

  152. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – But Mary Jo never got her Olympic gold medal for underwater car ballet.

  153. pdbuttons says:

    i want big bang hunter as my under assistant west coast
    promo man
    im running for dog catcher
    the banjo player from deliverance wrote my theme song
    its a ditty!

  154. Ric Locke says:

    Fred has stated plainly that he’s the anti-Sherman: If nominated he will run, and if elected he will serve… but he can live the rest of his life quite happily without being President, and he isn’t going to go to extraordinary lengths to get the job.

    Which would endear him to me, even if I didn’t like the other things he says.

    Regards,
    Ric

  155. bh says:

    Here you go, buttons:

    Tatum was part of the great Raiders’ teams of the ’70s, as you know. He made the Pro Bowl in 1973, ’74 and ’75, and counted among his defensive-backfield teammates Willie Brown, George Atkinson and Lester Hayes.*

  156. Frontman says:

    BBH, setting aside the efficacy of her “statesmanship” for the moment-how does she cut loose from the administration without looking like an opportunistic back-stabber? Not that I disagree one whit with any of the rest of what you said, just throwing it out there.

  157. sdferr says:

    Was Lester the guy who used stick’em on his hands, so much in fact that the league eventually banned the practice? Or was that some other Raider d’back?

  158. pdbuttons says:

    lester hayes!/ thanks
    i watch mad men on amc and think of the
    boiler girls and the kennedys and change the channel

  159. Frontman says:

    I thought that was Biletnikoff with the stickum

  160. sdferr says:

    Receivers did it too, but my memory contains an image of a d’back with ridiculous amounts of the stuff on his hands, liked he’d dunked them in a bucket of rubber cement.

  161. bh says:

    Yep, sounds like it was Lester, sdferr.

    (This was all before my time. I’ve only seen these guys with that NFL films voice-over guy making them all sound like Greek gods.)

  162. B Moe says:

    Was Lester the guy who used stick’em on his hands, so much in fact that the league eventually banned the practice? Or was that some other Raider d’back?

    That was Lester, he used to stick gobs of it on his helmet to dab on his hands between plays. After awhile a few tackles the grass would be sticking to it like camouflage. Funny as shit.

  163. bh says:

    For the record, ‘buttons, you might be the only Patriot fan I don’t want to set on fire. So, hey, you got that going for you.

  164. Ernst Schreiber says:

    That only works, BBH, if Obama agrees to go quietly into the night. I don’t think his ego will stand for allowing himself to be shunted aside like that. If Hillary resigns as Sec. State in December or early January, it might mean she’s planning to challenge Obama. If, after that, we start hearing from anonymous sources within State about what a lousy Secretary she was, we’ll know that the Obama camp thinks that she’s planning just that.

  165. sdferr says:

    Like so, row 2, 2nd image from left.

  166. Big Bang Hunter says:

    Frontman – She won’t have to. They will bow and scrape at her feet for “forgiveness” after the massive mindfuck of teh one, and all she’ll have to do is accept their apologies and forgive them their trespasses.

    – It will be a case of “yes, we admit we treated you like crap, but youklnow, that black candy dancer was a fooler and a half”.

    – I believe this because she’s the best hope they have with any sort of valid centrist claims. I can think of no one else in the Dem camp that has her balls and name recognition that people don’t outright hate or associate with those “hippies on the Left”.

  167. B Moe says:

    You can kind of see it here. Stickum all over his hands, forearms, helmet and ankles(?). Dude was a trip, could fucking fly!

  168. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    Don’t forget Obama’s quote:
    “I’d rather be a really good one-term President than a mediocre two-term one.”

    Maybe Hillary is going to hold him to that?

  169. pdbuttons says:

    im rubber/ you’re glue
    whatever ur comments bounce off of me
    and hopefully don’t poke ur eye out
    but if they did/ i’d teach u braille

  170. B Moe says:

    I don’t think Hillary really gives a damn what Obama thinks. She got fucked in the last primary and she knows it. I look for her to come at him with both barrels.

  171. guinsPen says:

    Her heart, and we’ll be serving it for tea.

    All are welcome.

  172. cranky-d says:

    I remember those NFL films from junior high rainy-day PE. They were always about how the Chargers were going to be great, when at the time they were quite horrible (I think, I didn’t watch football as a lad). If you go through enough film, you can find good moments for any team.

    Then again, I’m not sure if Team Obama has many good moments.

  173. pdbuttons says:

    oh those lazy crazy days of lester hayes

  174. Ric Locke says:

    BBH, for that to work, Obama has to at least go quietly. The possibility of that is minuscule unless they can find some way to make it look like a promotion.

    Secretary General of the UN might be ideal. Thing is, by custom the SG can’t be from one of the Security Council members, and appointing an American would go against the grain whether said American was white, black, or purple with yellow spots.

    There’s also the fact that telling Obama from Ban-Ki Moon would require a fairly elaborate lab setup.

    Regards,
    Ric

  175. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Ernst: The Dems have already started greasing the skids for his exit. All you had to do was watch the talks by Reid and Pelosi in front of the netroots this past weekend. They did everything but ask him to resign.

    – When the Dems, and the Left even more, turn, they eat their own with lots of ketchup.

  176. bh says:

    PUMA power!

  177. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – If the Dems take a beating in the elections in November, and they themselves are convinced they will, two more years of angry American voters, and they will be ready to ride him out of town on a rail.

    – It will all be handled in the most elegant way, with endless dinners and honors bestowed, and then bye bye Columbus.

  178. pdbuttons says:

    i lived in san diego when the don corysp[-\ chargers were the most
    air crorrry/ell/ tey were awsome/fun team to watch
    and monday nite football was at 6 oclock
    and bars were all yellow and shit
    i pretended to like the chargers/
    happy hour!
    they had tacos!
    just a certain

  179. sdferr says:

    Hillary as insurgent is a fun fantasy, but that’s all it is I think. Teddy is dead and gone but the Dem’s memories aren’t. This new crowd of Dems would far rather shoot you than shoot themselves.

  180. B Moe says:

    Another fun fact about Lester Hayes;

    A big Star Wars fan, during pregame interviews for Super Bowl XVIII he declared himself the “only true Jedi” in the NFL.

    That would explain quite a lot.

  181. pdbuttons says:

    patrick kennedy just bumped up to my curb
    i think hes’possesed/ inebriated
    i will not/ not give him mouth
    i will slowly call 911

    an ambulance is just a taxi to the hospital

  182. newrouter says:

    joe bite me will lead the revolt in the bathroom with a rubber ducky

  183. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Bunbblefuck for his part hears the footsteps. (Of course he would because the only thing he knows is campaigning and popularity polls).

    – This past weekend, knowing his rabit dawg patch was meeting to discuss his future, he was reduced to:

    “I know change hasn’t come fast enough for most American’s. It hasn’t come fast enough for me either. It takes time. We didn’t get here in two years and its going to take awhile to get us back to a prosperous America.”

    – Translation: “Hey dudes, I’m doing the best I can, so cut me some slack.”

    – Iraq
    – Afghanistan
    – No public Option
    – Losing Congress
    – Arizona
    – Pakistan
    – Student loans
    – All those repro’d houses
    – Raising taxes by letting Bushe’s tax break expire

    – There’s not enough slack in Joan rivers tit’s to save him at this point.

  184. pdbuttons says:

    b moe u smoke!
    i thought i loved lester hayes
    but nnow i ddo

  185. Ernst Schreiber says:

    If the Dems take a beating in the elections in November, and they themselves are convinced they will, two more years of angry American voters, and they will be ready to ride him out of town on a rail.

    They may be ready, but will they be able?

    Hillary as insurgent is a fun fantasy, but that’s all it is I think.

    That’s all it is. Challenging him from the center involves too much repudiation of Obama for it to succeed.

  186. Ernst Schreiber says:

    There’s not enough slack in Joan rivers tit’s to save him at this point.

    Would that it were so, but Dewey thought the same thing about Truman around this time in the ’48 cycle.

  187. happyfeet says:

    was my comment misunderstood I fear it was but I am unsure

    anyhoo I heart buttons more than Melissa Sue Gilbert hearts chivas and his comments have a positive impact on not only my day but also on yours too

    just so we’re clear

  188. Big Bang Hunter says:

    “Challenging him from the center involves too much repudiation of Obama for it to succeed.

    – Normally I would agree with that, but this time there are some “other” forces involved. Notice the type of so-called blue dawg Dems that are getting elected these days.

    – In addition we’ve all seen what a political party will do if they convince themselves i’ts their best interest’s, and as I said she won’t have to use his name, just “adjust” some of his great idea’s that got mishandled or skewed by those evil Rethugs. I could write the script.

    – Don’t under estimate the Clinton war machine.

  189. pdbuttons says:

    can u hug a balloon?
    can u taste air?
    must u question me?

  190. B Moe says:

    Challenging him from the center involves too much repudiation of Obama for it to succeed.

    Obama needs the center to get re-elected, if the economy isn’t better by 2012 he will have lost the center. If he doesn’t repudiate himself, the economy is likely going to be worse by then. I don’t see him admitting he was wrong, which means the center is going to be ripe for the picking, the Clinton’s have done it once, they could do it again.

  191. pdbuttons says:

    its all theater/ i voted for paul oneill/ that guy from illy noise
    and i voted for ross perot
    both booths are same
    lets embrace amanda marcotte
    for thy love

  192. pdbuttons says:

    im going lefty cuz i care about children
    not ur children but kids
    and goats

  193. bh says:

    The known unknown (thanks Rummy!) lies in Obama’s murky past.

    If insiders come to see him as a threat to their own power, the known unknown might become the known known in a maximally harmful drip, drip, drip fashion.

  194. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – That didn’t work so well for G my pet goat Bush.

  195. pdbuttons says:

    my hope is is slowly watered down
    on my soap on a rope

    it dissolves’ like pee

  196. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – The key. Just watch the MFM (as long as Soros’s money holds out).

    – It’s too early to tell, but there are signs they may be planning a lynching. (See Wikileaks)

  197. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Notice the type of so-called blue dawg Dems that are getting elected these days.

    Most of ’em, the ones who voted for the Spendulus and Obamacare for sure, won’t be there next January.

    [T]he center is going to be ripe for the picking, the Clinton’s have done it once, they could do it again.

    Too bad the center doesn’t determine the outcome of the early primaries.

    You’re right about the economy, and while in theory that helps Hillary, should she succeed, she inherits his economy as the the candidate of the party in power.

  198. sdferr says:

    I’m thinking the margins the Dems will require come the campaign season of 2012 won’t allow for any division within their ranks at all, unless they don’t care about winning — which, that latter just doesn’t sound like them — so if Barry is to be thrown overboard, they’d have to be profoundly unified against Barry before the overthrow began, otherwise, with the threat of division, they’d be in the position of “don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin'”.

  199. pdbuttons says:

    there is bacon
    and bacon bits
    and there are pigs
    that go whee whee home/ all the way
    and then there are cows
    which have steak

  200. newrouter says:

    The known unknown (thanks Rummy!) lies in Obama’s murky past.

    Part biography, part history, part detective story, RADICAL-IN-CHIEF reveals the carefully hidden tale of Barack Obama’s political past. Stanley Kurtz, whose research helped inject the Bill Ayers and ACORN issues into the 2008 presidential campaign, presents the results of more than two years of digging into President Obama’s radical political world. The book is filled with previously unknown information about the president’s past, tied together by a bold argument about what Obama’s deepest political convictions really are.

    link

  201. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Exactly, and they know that. That is why I’m tending to think it’s already started.

    – Reid and Pelosi did not face a happi crowd this past weekend. As he said at one point: “Yes, I know I get on your nerves sometimes, you get on my nerves sometimes too….”.

    – And that friends is their rabid base. Guess what the casual Dem voter must be thinking.

  202. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I hear Kurtz has a thing for Chesapeake Bay Retrievers, so how credible can he be?

  203. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – As long as he doesn’t pick them up by the ears he has my vote.

  204. sdferr says:

    They remain in possession of having responsibility for pushing the most hubristic — no, check that, let’s call it asinine — Presidential candidate in the history of the office on the public. Disappearing that responsibility won’t be easy. Or say rather, is well nigh impossible to my way of thinking.

  205. Ernst Schreiber says:

    And that friends is their rabid base. Guess what the casual Dem voter must be thinking.

    Okay BBH, but what percentage of that crowd is foaming at the mouth because the Dems under Barry-Harry-Nancy have been too moderate and nice to the evil Rethuglican Machine?

  206. newrouter says:

    Chesapeake Bay Retrievers

    shh that’s a trade secret

  207. Ernst Schreiber says:

    sdferr, they’ll run with him because they can’t run against him.

    The only other option is to just write of ’12 and hope to hang onto enough of Congress to obstruc!t obstruct! obstruct!

  208. Mike LaRoche says:

    George Blanda for president.

  209. B Moe says:

    I don’t think Hillary, or any Democrat, can win the general in ’12, but I think she can wipe the floor with Obama in the primary if she wants. As bh alluded to in 194, I think there are plenty of skeletons in the closet if Hillary wants to get down and dirty, shit she could have dished in 08 but didn’t and will regret to her dying day. And I think Obama’s ego will make it a toss up whether he takes a chance on getting thumped in a re-election bid. He sees himself as FDR, not Carter.

  210. Ernst Schreiber says:

    All of this of course, assumes that the stupid party manages not to live up to its reputation between now and November, and that it doesn’t revert to form after January.

  211. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – It’s a damn tough hill, no doubt about that. If the economy is still in the tank, with no hard signs of recovery by then, the Dems will be run over by a freight train. Especially if there are ANY increased taxes ladled onto that.

    – I didn’t say I thought she could overcome that massive pair of lead boots, just that she may emerge as the Dem front runner.

    – I rarely think in terms of absolutes, but Bumbblefuck has become the exception to that. He may achieve universal dislike with the entire electorate before he’s done.

  212. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I think there are plenty of skeletons in the closet if Hillary wants to get down and dirty, shit she could have dished in 08 but didn’t and will regret to her dying day.

    If they had it, they would have dished it. They didn’t. Thus I conclude there isn’t.

  213. pdbuttons says:

    there are known knowns/ these are things that we know that we know
    there are known unknowns/ that is to say / there are things we know that we don’t know
    but there are also unknown unknowns
    these are things we don’t know we don’t know

  214. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I didn’t say I thought she could overcome that massive pair of lead boots, just that she may emerge as the Dem front runner.

    I don’t see an upside for Hillary unless she wants to take Obama out just to take him out. My guess is she’d rather be the beloved elder stateswoman who should have been the nominee in ’08 than be the bitter loser from ’08 who split the party in ’12, only to lose, scorned by the Left.

  215. Squid says:

    That’s all it is. Challenging him from the center involves too much repudiation of Obama for it to succeed.

    She could always paint herself as a maverick and rely on her status as a media darling…

    Honestly, when one looks at how far Congressional Dems are going to distance themselves from the Administration in the leadup to midterms, it doesn’t seem very far-fetched to think of a Dem challenger in 2012 distancing herself from the incumbent in the same way. To be honest, I don’t think that Democratic solidarity will hold; I think the Clinton machine and the Chicago machine will tear each other to shreds.

    Given that the brilliant minds of our central bankers and economists are currently using the phrase “three to five year horizon for recovery,” I think it’s fair to say that 2012 is not going to be kind to incumbents. Will the Dems throw Obama under the bus? Will there be any Dems left that haven’t already been thrown under Obama’s bus?

    In the end, I don’t think the Dems can win the White House in 2012. I just don’t see the Dow, consumer confidence, or the employment picture improving in time. So I suppose the questions about Dem infighting are academic. Right now, I’m just hoping that a candidate arises who is sympathetic to Tea Party concerns, and who can actually put actions to words. It’s not enough for somebody to be “not as bad” as the status quo; we need real, inspirational leadership if this country is to make a recovery. We need a Churchillian speaker who can convince the electorate that the free candy is gone, and in its place are some bitter pills that everyone will have to swallow if they want to get better.

    Alas, that what we need ain’t usually what we get.

  216. bh says:

    If they had it, they would have dished it.

    This is normally how I would reason this out as well. However, McCain didn’t use one tenth the ammunition available to him either. No one wanted to be the guy throwing real mud at Obama back then.

    He’s much less popular now. The downside to attacking him is diminishing by the day.

  217. Ernst Schreiber says:

    but there are also unknown unknowns/these are things we don’t know we don’t know

    Unless you’re a member of the intellectual elite. In which case your too smart to know what you don’t know.

  218. Mike LaRoche says:

    there are known knowns/ these are things that we know that we know
    there are known unknowns/ that is to say / there are things we know that we don’t know
    but there are also unknown unknowns
    these are things we don’t know we don’t know

    Rummy for Poet Laureate

  219. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – I beg to differ Ernst. Many here on PW were all over her apparent “soft responses” to his obvious extreme views and friends. Especially the Rev Wright mess, which she could have driven a fleet of Mac trucks through.

    – The consensus. She was promised a cushy cabinet position and the green light for 2012 if Bumbblefuck failed.

  220. Squid says:

    My guess is she’d rather be the beloved elder stateswoman who should have been the nominee in ‘08 than be the bitter loser from ‘08 who split the party in ‘12, only to lose, scorned by the Left.

    Elder is right. If she waits ’til 2016 to run, she’ll celebrate her 70th birthday right before Election Day. Her choices now are to be King or to be Kingmaker.

  221. bh says:

    All in all, I tend to think it’s unlikely there will be a strong primary challenge.

    I’m just open to the idea that Obama has plenty of negative game changers from his past and his actions in office (Black Panthers, Lockerbie Bomber, job offers to primary challengers, etc) and that these shoes are more and more likely to drop if he continues his downward political slide.

  222. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Squid, the only person who can throw Obama under the bus is Obama, and for that to happen, either a lot of things need to go right for the Republicans between now and 2012, or wrong for the country. “Things are never as good as they seem. Things are never as bad as they seem.” It seems I’ve heard that before. Also, “Success is Never Final” and something about Russia being Stronger or Weaker than it appears that seems relevant.

  223. Big Bang Hunter says:

    “….or wrong for the country.”

    – Look around you. Look at the congress. Look at the President. Look at the economy. Look at the wars. Look at education. Look at immigration. Look at jobs. Look at foreign relations. Look at health care.

    – I’m almost afraid to ask what you think would fill that bill.

  224. pdbuttons says:

    you’d said uve never comprimise
    with the mystery tramp/ but now u realize
    he’s not selling any alibis
    and u stare
    stare!
    into the vacunm of his eyes

    and u know the rest

  225. Squid says:

    Squid, the only person who can throw Obama under the bus is Obama…

    I disagree. Obama is a construct, and one that succeeds only as long as the electorate are willing to accept the fabrication. The Chicago people have already stepped on a lot of toes in Washington, during the campaign leading up to the election and during the campaign that has been running ever since. At the same time, the media — and more importantly, the media’s consumers — are waking up to the fact that they were complicit in Obama’s election, by ignoring the red flags and burying any damaging stories. So I can see the old-timers in the Democratic Party pulling their support, just as I can see the media pulling theirs.

    This guy’s gonna need all the help he can get, and I really doubt he’s going to get anywhere near as much help the second time around. The novelty’s worn off, and people want a new doll to play with.

  226. newrouter says:

    Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell predicted on Tuesday that if the president escalates America’s military involvement in Afghanistan he could very well face a primary challenger in 2012.

    In an overlooked “Morning Joe” segment on Tuesday, the Pennsylvania Democrat offered his distinct brand of eccentric, conversation-driving political foresight. He couched his statement about the possibility of a primary challenge by stressing that if Obama sticks to his current plans for Afghanistan — a reduced military presence beginning in July of 2011 — there would not be political insurrection within the party.

    link

  227. Mr. W says:

    The media will be looking for actual competence in the next Democrat candidate. The members of the press have been taking quite a beating trying to cover for Barry’s utter incompetence, and that feels way too much like work for effete journolists.

    After that whole RESET button fiasco (among many others) Hil can forget it. She has that same stink of incompetence mixed with a healthy dose of bitch that Barry has.

  228. Big Bang Hunter says:

    “a reduced military presence beginning in July of 2011”

    – Which could be the basis for the Wikileak/NYT thing if you’re really in a conspiracy mood.

    – Baring that, with things getting worse in Afghan, what are the chances we’ll be able to pull out according to plan. Even Iraq has been rising in violence lately. So by his lights political insurrection is possible.

  229. Ernst Schreiber says:

    BBH, kindly allow me to revise and extend: “…or continue to go wrong for the country, in which case, there will be a Maximum Effort to hold Boehner’s Republicans responsible.” Do I want Obama to be a one termer? You bet. Am I prepared to predict that he will be? No. If only because WHO THE HELL ARE WE GOING TO PUT UP AGAINST HIM? Would I love to see the Democrats turn on each other like that guy and his anti-matter universe counterpart in the original Star Trek? Absolutely. Do I see that happening? No. If only because the lesson of Watergate is that you can’t save yourself by throwing the President overboard.

    Time to feed the kids. Regards to all and hope to rejoin the conversation later.

  230. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Maybe, except I don’t think the Dems learned any lessons from deep throat. After all, they were the recipients of good fortune from that little tabasco, owing to the fact that for once they weren’t caught with their hands in the cookie jar at that particular moment. So no. I doubt they learned a damn thing.

    – It’s been my experience that each new wave of politicians seem dedicated to repeating the same mistakes, time after time.

  231. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    Regardless how bad the economy gets or how low his polls go, Obama can count on one group to stand by him to the bloody end.
    African-American voters.
    This may not bode well for race relations in the country if the AA vote feels that their guy is getting a raw deal from the primarily white media and white DC culture.

    It would be sadly ironic if the end result of the first “post-racial” presidency was actually a further schism between the races over who is to blame for his failure.

  232. newrouter says:

    This may not bode well for race relations in the country if the AA vote feels that their guy is getting a raw deal from the primarily white media and white DC culture.

    Tea Party Race Summit Coming To Philly

    Updated: Sunday, 18 Jul 2010, 9:16 PM EDT
    Published : Sunday, 18 Jul 2010, 4:28 PM EDT

    (NewsCore) – Tea Party leaders will address charges of racism and take shots at big government in a July 31 rally at Independence Mall in Philadelphia.

    The rally, called Uni-Tea, will feature white and black Tea Party supporters in all-day event that will feature live music, a web cast and plenty of Obama bashing.

    The site for the event features 13 speakers, with at least 8 speakers being persons of color.

    link

  233. sdferr says:

    Ernst, I don’t think we should underestimate the sticking power of the pacifist wing of the Democrat party, certainly not when one of their own sits on the throne owning a war he hasn’t the heart for, nor the understanding how to win, nor the curiosity or urge to get the requisite understanding. I can’t know, of course, but I’ve a sense that the anti-war dissent in the Democrat ranks will be in full bloom by 2012, and with it, set the stamp of doom on Obama’s hopes of re-election (along with all the rest of his mismanagement noted elsewhere in the thread). In brief, they’ll run him again, and loose.

  234. happyfeet says:

    8 speakers of color!

  235. happyfeet says:

    we’ll sell you the whole seat but YOU’LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE

  236. Joe says:

    TJs has good teryaki sauce. But I can whip up a batch myself in a pinch (provided I have some sugar and soy sauce).

    It would be nice to think of Fred as president and Jeri as first lady. But unless the establishment GOP votes him in at the convention as the nominee, I can’t see it happening.

    Mitt would be better than Obama. I just can’t see Mitt winning.

  237. Rusty says:

    I hope they didn’t pay a lot for that poll ’cause its wrong.

  238. happyfeet says:

    it was really kinda crazy me and Martha we weren’t sure we were gonna like it but them speakers of color they just stood up talking about you know… the deficit and the spending … and you close your eyes you couldn’t tell they wasn’t just like me and you and I think that was a memorable thing to experience for both of us we’re real glad we came down aren’t we honey

  239. newrouter says:

    8 speakers of color!

    color is a language?

  240. newrouter says:

    being persons of color.

    the rest are albinoes

  241. bh says:

    Tea Party leaders will address charges of racism and take shots at big government in a July 31 rally at Independence Mall in Philadelphia.

    How does one become a Tea Party leader again? Is there a formal vote, does the activist with the most Facebook friends win, or do you just appoint yourself and hope no one asks any questions?

    Bah. Humbug.

  242. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – PEW will give you whatever results you want by screening the responders.

  243. sdferr says:

    Ax handles, knees, some assembly required.

  244. newrouter says:

    How does one become a Tea Party leader again?

    tea party organizers is more appropriate. sort of like community organizers

  245. newrouter says:

    uni-tea is an andy b. production by the way

  246. happyfeet says:

    tell me it’s not

  247. pdbuttons says:

    hue have my throaty support
    and when hue say lame jokes and talk about families and
    pets
    i will wave certain placards hue give me
    cuz hue are colorful
    and i kinda believe hue

  248. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – yes hf. He has a video proving mother Teressa was a racist.

  249. John Bradley says:

    I don’t see an upside for Hillary unless she wants to take Obama out just to take him out. My guess is she’d rather be the beloved elder stateswoman who should have been the nominee in ‘08 than be the bitter loser from ‘08 who split the party in ‘12, only to lose, scorned by the Left.

    Teddy put up a primary challenge against a sitting (and unpopular) Pres. Carter in 1980, and we all know how the general election went that year. Didn’t seem to cause any long-term damage to his beloved elder statesman credentials.

    Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell predicted on Tuesday that if the president escalates America’s military involvement in Afghanistan he could very well face a primary challenger in 2012.

    Afghanistan? That’s what they’re worried about?

    I mean, I’m not the typical customer of the DNC, so they’re not exactly targeting me and my concerns, but y’know… Afghanistan doesn’t even make my top-10 list of Reasons Barry Must Go.

  250. newrouter says:

    tell me it’s not

    Deneen Borelli
    Fox News contributor, Project 21 Fellow

    Deneen Borelli is a Fellow with Project 21, a network of black conservatives which is an initiative of The National Center for Public Policy Research, a national public policy group based in Washington, D.C.
    + MORE

    In her role, Deneen promotes the importance of personal responsibility and the benefits of free market policies as a means for social advancement. She advances these values by writing commentaries and participating in media interviews.

    Deneen currently serves as an official contributor on the Fox News Channel programs and has appeared on FNC programs such as “Glenn Beck,” “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” “Hannity” and “Fox and Friends.” Deneen has also appeared on MSNBC, CNN, the BBC and C-SPAN. Deneen’s commentaries on the importance of freedom and limited government have been published by newspapers such as the Los Angeles Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, Chicago Tribune, Sacramento Bee, Baltimore Sun, Washington Examiner and Washington Times. She has also been a frequent speaker at political rallies and events, including the FreedomWorks 9.12 March on D.C. that drew a crowd estimated at over 800,000 people.

    Deneen serves on the Board of Trustees with The Opportunity Charter School in Harlem, New York. Previously, she served as Manager of Media Relations with the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). In that capacity, Deneen was the Executive Producer and co-host on “The CORE Hour,” a weekly internet radio talk show. Prior to joining CORE, Deneen worked at Philip Morris USA for 20 years. While at PM USA she worked in various positions, her last as Project Management Coordinator in the Information Management department where she was responsible for the department’s mandated quality processes, communications, sales information and database management. Deneen began her Philip Morris career as a secretary and advanced to positions of increasing responsibilities while attending college in the evenings.

    Deneen has a B.A. in Managerial Marketing from Pace University, New York. Deneen has appeared in educational videos for children, worked as a runway fashion model, and auditioned for television commercials. Her interests include ancient history, pistol target shooting, photography, and volunteering at her church. She currently resides in Westchester County, New York.

    Andrew Breitbart
    Publisher, commentator for the Washington Times

    Andrew J. Breitbart is an American publisher, commentator for the Washington Times, author, and an occasional guest commentator on various news programs. He may be best-known for serving as an editor for the Drudge Report website.

    http://www.uni-tea.com/speakers.html

  251. newrouter says:

    andrew breitbart on savage

    link

  252. bh says:

    Couple googling tidbits:

    You become a leader by becoming the President and CEO! Grassroots, baby:

    Jeffrey Weingarten, President and CEO of “Uni-Tea” – a section of the Tea Party that wholly promotes cultural unity under the anti-Socialist umbrella – will be a guest on my show tomorrow night at 8pm eastern on http://ftrradio.com.

    I’m sure he’s a great guy though. Oh:

    At our first post-event meeting, on April 20th, 20 to 30 members of that group learned what only a few in the group previously knew: our event “point person”, Jeffrey M. Weingarten, was a convicted felon. Mr. Weingarten admitted to that meeting that about 30 years ago he sold drugs and served approximately two years of a three year sentence in prison. At that time, the members present voted that he should temporarily step aside as “the face of the organization” pending the creation of a formal organizational structure and membership vote. Though he was the “point person” for the April 15th event, he was never voted as “President” by the membership as he sometimes claimed.

    Following that vote, a divergence of opinion arose as to the group’s future, its goals and the means to achieve those goals. Further, Mr. Weingarten then took complete control of all the funds we raised at the April 15th event. These events led to the creation of two separate entities. One entity is Mr. Weingarten’s organization, a registered 527 political action committee.

    We are “The Morristown Tea Party, A NJ Non – profit Corporation”.

    We are the bulk of the membership from the prior ad hoc organization. We moved

    forward with a formal structure and held an “Initial Member” vote on June 4,

    2009. And our first elected Board of Trustees organized itself on June 7, 2009.

    We will continue promoting the organization’s primary goals of citizen education,

    and promotion of our mission as set forth in our Mission Statement.

    This took me literally dozens and dozens of seconds on the intertubes!

    Beware self-appointed leaders.

  253. sdferr says:

    As a public service, and just ’cause he don’t come around no more but it’s still good to hear from the old boy once and again anyhow:

    Comment by psycho… on 9/27 [2008] @ 1:30 pm #

    we’d be funneling more cash to the groups that helped create the lending mess in the first place.

    Which is the point.

    I know the WSJ isn’t the place to say it, but sitting there all “Oh why oh why?” when you damn well know why is unbecoming.
    The world of “finance” can’t go on raking it in off taxpayers, which is how the vast majority of its money is made (the inevitable bailout in any “too big” case of “market” failure is its most-leveraged asset), without its — yes, its, dammit — “militant left-wing ‘community activist groups’” seeding the field.

    Banks fund and lobby for laws to fund activists who agitate pliant — because likewise-funded — politicians to pass law X that leads to bubble Y contingent on bailout Z, again and again, world without end amen.

    That’s the business model. There’s no “crude power grab in a time of economic crisis.” The potential severance of this perfected symbiosis is the crisis — the only real one. Keeping the circuit running is the bailout.

    And it’s passing, with all this “crude” shit intact. The $26,593,411 Maverick will see to it.

    methinks it’s time to write my congressperson and remind him/her just who it is they work for.

    It’s not like they don’t know.

  254. newrouter says:

    Beware self-appointed leaders.

    yea they ain’t our “leaders” but they are manning the barricades. how about you all

  255. Ric Locke says:

    I will disagree with BBH and others because of one thing: Hillary! is extremely damaged goods.

    Yes, yes, I know, the foreign policy mistakes can be laid at Obama’s feet (with considerable justification) but “just following orders” hasn’t been a defense since 1947 — and never was, in a considerable subset of the American public.

    I must confess a degree of guilt for the election of Obama — I registered as a Democrat and voted for him in the Texas Democratic primary. If Hillary!’s running I’ll punch the other block, and not even look to see if it’s Mekatrig or Cthulu. There are more of us than you might think with the same motivation. It has nothing to do with concave vs. convex; she’s a nasty person who thinks the White House came with the divorce settlement, even when the divorce hasn’t happened. Been there, done that, got fired at the first opportunity.

    That being the case, and despite justified moaning about “who’ve we got for 2012?”, look at the Other Side. Who’ve they got? Hillary! is the only one approaching sufficient stature in general; the rest are a gang of punks and wannabees, just like our bunch.

    Criswell Predicts: The person inaugurated in January 2013 will be somebody who isn’t even on the radar today. I won’t say that person isn’t known right now, merely that that person isn’t even being considered in the “Presidential” category. And I’m d-d if I’ll try to predict whether that person will have (D) or (R) by the name.

    Regards,
    Ric

  256. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I doubt they learned a damn thing [from Watergate].

    The fact that Tom Daschle and Joe Biden didn’t lead a Congressional delegation into the Oval Office to demand Bill Clinton resign “for the good of the party” tells me otherwise, BBH.

    In brief, they’ll run him again, and loose[sic].

    Unless they run him again and win, because the facts on the ground change as a result of a Republican takeover of Congress. Like you, sdferr, I’m inclined to take it for granted that he won’t have a record to run on, but that doesn’t mean he won’t have something or someone to run against. Whether or not that’s enough to motivate his base to turn out in the kinds of numbers he’s going to need…?

    Teddy put up a primary challenge against a sitting (and unpopular) Pres. Carter in 1980, and we all know how the general election went that year. Didn’t seem to cause any long-term damage to his beloved elder statesman credentials.

    Kennedy challenged Carter from the left, John, and I’m under the impression that the assumption here is that Hillary would challenge from the center, destroying her lovable leftist loser credibility.

    must… ignore… troll… must… ignore… troll… must…

  257. bh says:

    Actually, I am fairly politically active, newrouter. Also, I think pointing out that one can’t necessarily trust everyone who decided to become “President and CEO” of one’s grassroot movement is a valid contribution.

  258. JHo says:

    So goes the one party system, Ric.

  259. newrouter says:

    Actually, I am fairly politically active, newrouter. Also, I think pointing out that one can’t necessarily trust everyone who decided to become “President and CEO” of one’s grassroot movement is a valid contribution.

    my apologies. but a felony from 20 years ago shouldn’t be held against him.

  260. sdferr says:

    “. . . he won’t have a record to run on. . .”

    Ah but he will. And contra Dr K’s generousity tonight in characterizing that record as quite an accomplishment (from the pov of the progressive true beliver), my expectation is that the record will show ruin, in whatever direction one may look.

  261. bh says:

    I’d probably agree with that, newrouter. This was the part that troubled me however:

    […]Though he was the “point person” for the April 15th event, he was never voted as “President” by the membership as he sometimes claimed.

    Following that vote, a divergence of opinion arose as to the group’s future, its goals and the means to achieve those goals. Further, Mr. Weingarten then took complete control of all the funds we raised at the April 15th event.[…]

  262. newrouter says:

    Further, Mr. Weingarten then took complete control of all the funds we raised at the April 15th event.

    Though he was the “point person” for the April 15th event

    i’d like to hear his side too. also the group’s 503 c papers.

  263. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Comment by Ric Locke on 7/27 @ 6:09 pm

    Astutely observed, as always, Ric, lacking only in the “authentic frontier gibberish” department.

  264. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Ah but he will [have a record]. And … my expectation is that the record will show ruin, in whatever direction one may look.

    My phrase is nicely turned. I stand corrected.

  265. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Of course, ruin looks a lot like victory to the Left.

  266. sdferr says:

    Alinsky oil. Killer, just because.

  267. bh says:

    This was the only independent write-up I’ve seen so far, newrouter. It isn’t very positive for this Weingarten guy:

    Weingarten insists that his is the “real” Morristown Tea Party Organization. The catch: he has never, as far as is known, filed incorporation papers, or anything other than a 527 application with the IRS, which does not require a certificate of incorporation. Richard T. Luzzi, of Oller and Luzzi, did file incorporation papers for “The Morristown Tea Party, a New Jersey Non-profit Corporation.” For the rest of last year and most of this year, Luzzi and his group heard nothing from Weingarten–until Weingarten sued their group, seeking to enjoin them from any further activities and even from hosting another rally this year. A judge denied that motion and wondered in open court, in so many words, where Weingarten had been all this time.

  268. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – I knew someone would bring up Clinton as proof.

    – I’m pretty sure I remember that the rumors were going around that the party leadership was preparing to do just that on the eve of the impeachment vote, but was told the Reps would be willing to cut a deal (they weren’t at all sure they had the votes to make it stick) to stuff the vote in exchange for his law license. The rest is history. So really they were very prepared to do the under the bus toss, but last minute reprieves saved his ass.

    In the mean time the electorate, who could give a shit less if the Pres. has a law decree, or even knows whether he does or not in most cases, saw it largely as an absolution, and the MFM, always true to its ideological calling, played it that way from then on.

    – So that said, I don’t think that’s a good example to use.

    – I also agree that in general the party leaders will hold the line. But. We’ve never had a Pres. that was threatening to eclips even the unpopularity of a Wilson or a Carter. We do now. I think all bets are off, but I can understand why some of us seek to go slow on assuming things.

    – In Bubblefucks case, I think it’s safe to party early.

  269. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    Coming this fall, Monday’s on NBC!

    “The Courtship of Chelsea’s Father”
    A former First Daughter & newlywed struggles to keep a relationship with her father, a serial sex offender with poor choices in trysting partners, while maintaining her rapport with her closeted-lesbian mother, a high ranking gov’t official, who can’t divorce Dad due to strict spousal immunity laws.

    Part of the “Must See” Monday Night line-up this fall on NBC!

  270. newrouter says:

    bh you win

  271. bh says:

    Very sporting of you, newrouter. Cheers.

  272. bh says:

    Btw, am I the only one who enjoys all this 2012 prognostication and feels slightly disappointed we haven’t figured out a way to gamble on it yet?

  273. newrouter says:

    2012 can’t really be thought about until after nov. 2010. breibart shows that these folks aren’t to bright politically. also the oil spill.

  274. sdferr says:

    “also the oil spill.”

    Good point newrouter. Maybe we should prognosticate the next disaster? And bet heavily on it. It’s going to be an asteroid colliding with Earth, so the payoffs will be touch and go.

  275. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Maybe I should post some odds boards on the whole range of races to be run in the next 2+ years, but that would no doubt only compound Jeff’s problems, unless he HOLDS THE BANK! (just for safe keeping of course).

  276. newrouter says:

    It’s going to be an asteroid colliding with Earth

    oh something more mundane i’m shirley

  277. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – It wouldn’t happen on Mundane, it would happen on Tuesdane.

  278. newrouter says:

    tuesdane is a golf day. baracky holding the putter at the 19th hole

  279. sdferr says:

    something more mundane

    How about Mexicans invade Texas? To seize the Alamo for to run as a majiuana themed Amusement Park? They can call it Locoweed’s. And Barry gets to be the honorary grand marshal at the opening day parade.

  280. newrouter says:

    How about Mexicans invade Texas?

    the dude’s got alot of “friends” to help him

  281. happyfeet says:

    the Alamo is teeny tiny a lot of people don’t know that it’s not very extensive not like Halloween Town

  282. B Moe says:

    I think we would need to clarify if we are talking disaster for the Democrats, Republicans or both. They aren’t necessarily interchangeable.

  283. sdferr says:

    masteriods don’t distinguish, B Moe. Nor will Yellowstone when thar she blows. We has to leave the distinguishing up to the Journolisters, who know how to sort a Katrina from a Macando.

  284. newrouter says:

    things be blowing up alot lately

  285. newrouter says:

    good time to go on vacation

  286. JD says:

    Are any of your realtors? Or lawyers that handle real estate? I have a simple fucking question. Can a wall bracket with a TV attached to it be considered a permanent part of a domicile?

  287. happyfeet says:

    I vote no.

    Lots of funny things happen to those during erf cakes by the way.

  288. sdferr says:

    That’s a disturbing question JD. Don’t even want to think about it, it’s so evil. But let’s just say no and sleep better tonight.

  289. happyfeet says:

    my problem is… I will tell you my problem. My problem is with NG gone there’s nobody at work to save the cupcakes for when there’s extra.

  290. guinsPen says:

    I click for sure cause [one never knows do one]

    his comments have a positive impact on not only my day but also on yours too

    Exactly, it’s why I heart pee dee more than sunshine itself !

  291. sdferr says:

    We’re ’bout due a tiny-little-man report aren’t we?

  292. happyfeet says:

    yes yes yes plus sunshine is gay anyway

  293. bh says:

    I’d say definitely not, JD.

  294. cynn says:

    No, you most certainly are not doomed. I have been watching this Tea Party, and I am intrigued. It started off as a bunch of grumpy old-timers angry about everything. But I love the fact that the movement has morphed into a clutch of disparate angry cats, which are as unmanagable as they are unmarketable. I disagree with most of their positions, but I might be persuaded on many issues. Herd the cats, and you might score.

  295. happyfeet says:

    he is 3 lbs. 6 ounces but they’re unhooking him from trhe IV foozle – they had been giving him lipids which are kinda like cupcakes cause of tehy promote weight gains, so without them things are gonna slow a bit… there’s still probably 6 more weeks in hospital… but he’s coot! He’s still impossibly tiny but he has a tiny little face with little eyes what look right at you like he has good sense. Which he really doesn’t yet.

    NG is getting worn down with the half dozen back and forths from hospital every day and she gets down watching all the other moms what get to hold their baby whenever they want and take them home and that sort of thing. She bought her first pack of smokes this week and I didn’t say nuffin at all.

  296. happyfeet says:

    *the* IV foozle I mean

  297. sdferr says:

    So what sort of feedings replace the IV ones? Moving on to oral liquids?

  298. Stephanie says:

    TVs are generally always considered temp furnishings. Do you have any movable shelving that the buyer is demanding stays? If they aren’t they have no claim to other items similarly affixed to the wall if not specified in the contract.

    For the lawyerish type answer (I might have stayed in a Holiday Inn last night)… How was the contract written? If the contract was written with some items (blinds, light fixtures or refrigerators, for example) being removed from the house and the TV is not listed that could be a court resolved dilemma (but the fact that they didn’t think enough to enumerate it is in your favor). If, however, you didn’t have any itemized list, the buyer shouldn’t expect what they didn’t ask for… And if you give in on the TV, make sure you take every damn thing that wasn’t specified or currently being whined about, but also a grey area type item, with you when you leave, even if it’s just for a trip to the local landfill!

  299. happyfeet says:

    breast milk – he’s already been on that too..l the IV was supplementary… but he forgets to swallow a lot and he really has to focus… he forgets to breath sometimes too that’s why she can’t hold him a lot cause he gets so comfortable he forgets about the breathing and then the alarms go off and it’s very scary she says

  300. happyfeet says:

    my feeling is nothing what comes with a warranty is ever permanent

  301. Ernst Schreiber says:

    The bracket maybe, but not the tv attached to it, I would think. But I’m not a lawyer. Not even on TV.

  302. JD says:

    I kind of yelled at the buyer, their agent, and everyone else involved today. Let me explain. We negotiated down to minutia in the sale of Casa JD. Chairs. Mirrors. Wall art. Projection screen. All sorts of shit. Now today, during final walk-thru, the jackoff motherfucking douchebag cocksucking sonofafuckingbitch decided that he is no longer pleased with the prior agreement, and thinks that all of the plasma/LCD/LED TV’s should have been left, since the brackets that held them to the wall were bolted on, making them a permanent part of the structure. He is asking for all of the TV’s, and $800 per bracket PLUS installation. You read that right, he wants $800 per bracket, a total of $6400, plus installation, plus all of my televisions. The meeting ended with JD saying some not very nice things and get the fuck out of my house you dirty lying cocksucking motherfuckers, but I am just paraphrasing.

  303. bh says:

    It’s plugged in and not hardwired, right? And you can remove the bracket without damage?

    I really don’t see it fitting the standard definition of permanent fixture then.

  304. sdferr says:

    Evil. Knew it. Felt it. The old “bolted to the wall” gambit. Bastards.

  305. JD says:

    The brackets are attached with 4 simple bolts, attached by me. Yes, very simple, as I was able to do it.

  306. JD says:

    sdferr – That was the edited for public consumption version. In person, I was far less kind.

  307. happyfeet says:

    his agent is drunk whoa bout now I reckon

  308. cynn says:

    JD: No, it cannot. Take away the damn TV, remove the bracket, and patch the hole(s) with white toothpaste. Then get the hell out.

  309. JD says:

    After I kicked the dirty lying douchebag motherfucker out of Casa JD, I really let loose on the agents.

  310. cynn says:

    JD: Well, I didn’t read the other part of your situation. My advice stands.

  311. happyfeet says:

    he is an ignoble cur … the bright side is Casa JD was not on the market muy long as I remember.

  312. bh says:

    Take his fucking earnest money, that’s for sure.

  313. bh says:

    Shit, not even my house and I think I might need a drink. Sucks, man. Sorry to hear this.

  314. happyfeet says:

    my Mumphords… bad news. I heard them on KCRW yesterday which means they’ve been officially claimed by douchebag hipsters but I changed stations really really quick and for awhile at least I’m gonna pretend I didn’t know.

  315. newrouter says:

    Can a wall bracket with a TV attached to it be considered a permanent part of a domicile?

    if left by the renter yes. its a fixture.

  316. JD says:

    The ironic part is that I spent an entire day, patching holes, replacing drywall, re-painting walls, and going above and beyond what is required, and giving away an entire day of my time that could have been spent with my girls, or golfing, or picking my nose, or anything other than making my house perfect for a perfect jackass.

  317. happyfeet says:

    get the fuck out of my house you piece of shit tv coveting bastard

  318. JD says:

    bh – I am going to use his earnest money to buy stock in a TV wall mount company.

    happyfeet – 12 days. Ignoble cur is too kind.

  319. newrouter says:

    I kind of yelled at the buyer, their agent

    you made the 1st offer. they made a counter offer. you make another offer eliminating the problem.

  320. serr8d says:

    yes yes yes plus sunshine is gay anyway

    An apology to Shirley Sherrod, withdrawn.

  321. happyfeet says:

    that’s very ungracious of him I think Mr. serr8d there’s this and then there’s that…there’s nothing for it really but to say Mrs. Sherrod I disagree with your assessment that this that and the other is as you say racist, including the nefarious Breitbart. Here can I come in I has an extra blue hawaiian and an extra junior mint which one would you like? Ok here is a spoon. Now we were talking about how you call everyone racist. Stop that.

    See how easy that is?

    But Shirley’s racial tourette syndrome doesn’t mitigate the rude dishonesty with which the nefarious Breitbart dragged her into a conversation against her will for so she could be castigated and pilloried by a whole country and for what? Some little by which I mean to say some paltry gain may have accrued to someone but for reals I can’t think who.

  322. newrouter says:

    oh dear hf is heart broken

  323. newrouter says:

    the rude dishonesty with which the nefarious Breitbart dragged her

    shirley you know she yapped 24/7 until sunday when “they” said stop

  324. Ernst Schreiber says:

    some paltry gain may have accrued to someone but for reals I can’t think who

    I think large amount of filthy lucre will accrue to Sherrod.
    Which you’ll be okay with, because she’s a victim.
    Except it’ll add to the spendings problem, which you’re not okay with.
    And she’s not a victim.
    But you’ll have a dilemna for sure.

  325. JD says:

    Thanks for listening to me whine. Sorry about derailing the thread. I am going to go to bed and wake up and hope I still do not want to see this #)*&)#(^)#*()@&*$ mung Ted Kennedy’s corpse.

  326. happyfeet says:

    I could care less if Shirley gets moneys. The point is she was molested most maliciously by one Andrew Breitbart and his trademark ungraciousness is something our little country can ill-afford to condone. We’re better than that shit. That is not America, what Andrew did. Not even a little.

    I know that. That’s just troof. My momma didn’t raise me to lie about some black lady being some kinda evil racist in a video where she’s just going about her day giving a blah blah blah speech to a civic organization with which she is involved.

  327. happyfeet says:

    good night JD everything happens for a reason almost

  328. serr8d says:

    I’ve slight modicum of sympathy for Shirley Sherrod. Until I realize she and her husband named their daughter Russia.

    Some things must go unforgiven.

  329. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Best wishes JD

  330. bh says:

    May you have satisfyingly vengeful dreams, JD.

  331. Mr. W says:

    Ms. Sherrod may have been dragged into the public eye, but once she got there, the poor Democrats had to drag her bodily off the CNN set.

    I promise you that Shirley was scratching and clawing at the carpet and furniture on the way out.

    When you’ve bilked the simpletons in the government out of millions, all that’s left to aspire too is fame. And lordy how she did aspire to that fame.

  332. JD says:

    Do not go to http://www.urbandictionary.com and search for mung. Don’t do it. You have been warned.

  333. B Moe says:

    Its the purity, Ernst. In happyfeetworld you have to fall in love and fall in line.

  334. serr8d says:

    JD, did they want to take your Fathead too ? Now that would be just not right.

    «ducks»

  335. B Moe says:

    How about lying because she said she was a farmer?

  336. JD says:

    Hush, meya. You are an idiot.

  337. JD says:

    serr8d – I have not forgotten that you owe me lots of sushis.

  338. happyfeet says:

    Andrew hurt himself and Shirley isn’t any more relevant today than she was nine days ago. Andrew may think he’s the good reverend John Hale and Shirley may think she’s Jared Padalecki but they’re not. Neither of them. They’re silly and both of them in their own obnoxious way trivialize the twisted remnant of what is left in our little country what can be called civic life.

  339. JD says:

    If you have a problem with the American Spectator, well, I suggest you take it up with them. Until then, fuck off. I would suspect that the person that is trying to shake me down is a lot like meya, except with a job, and a discernable source of income. Every bit as mendoucheous though. I think I will call him meya.

  340. Bob Reed says:

    *mung*…*shiver*

    That is some mega-gross stuff right there. You’d have been easier on the guy to wish he could be waterboarded instead…

  341. Ms. Shirley Sherrod says:

    When you have thrown off the shackles that the crackers used to hold you down…

    When you’ve risen up with the help of the trial bar and the wallets of the American racist taxpayers…

    When you and the other 86,000 oppressed black farmers have defied the racist fact that there are only 38,000 black farmers in America, and claimed almost 2 billion in repaira…I mean damages…

    When you have done all that and claimed for yo’self a fat-assed no-show job at the FDA or someplace (I really don’t know because I never went there) for 150,000 pitiful dollars a year…

    When you have done all that without actually producing a damn thing in your entire life other than a laundry list of complaints against a country that has given you millions despite your complete lack of accomplishments…

    Once you have done those things, then you will know how it feels to be a black woman in America with no skills, and a chip on her shoulder.

    Now if you bunch of Klansmen will excuse me. I have to drive the Bentley down to my attorneys office to discuss my multi-million dollar settlement for wrongful termination.

    Oh. Be a dear and close the front gate behind me once I pull out, would you? The thingy that opens and shuts it seems to be broken.

    Ta ta!

  342. serr8d says:

    Another item not to forget is Spencer (Shove Conservatives Heads through Plate Glass Windows) Ackerman. Mike Labash does very well in a rudimentary takedown of @attackerman.

  343. serr8d says:

    Well, it’s Matt Labash. First time I’d actually noticed.

  344. JD says:

    That was just wrong, serr8d. SI power rankings have the Colts #1.

  345. Bob Reed says:

    Saint Shirley paved the way for ersatz reparations to be paid to a greater number of claimants than there were actual minority farmers in the nation; based on the connivance that “they wanted to farm”, but were afraid they would have been discriminated against by the government when it came to loans.

    More claimants than actual minority farmers…Facilitated by a settlemet in a suit brought by Saint Shirley and her husband…

    In case anyone didn’t realize, that’s the treasury’s money, which comes essentially from our pockets, that they were paid with-because they might have wanted to farm.

    How’s that effect fiscal austerity?

  346. Mr. W says:

    When someone says, “Don’t look it up”, you don’t look it up.

  347. B Moe says:

    That’s not what piqued American Spectator. No, they were interested in protecting the purity of the term “lynching.”

    I can kind of see the spectators point, though. It is almost like somebody using the word rape figuratively. Like in a cartoon or something. How uncool would that be?

  348. Mr. W says:

    I wish I was black and oppressed.

  349. happyfeet says:

    Breitbart didn’t bust Shirley Shirl and the funky black racist bunch cause of their predilection for agricultural reparations he busted them cause of, he asserted, they were applauding the victimization of the white man and that could. not. stand.

  350. Mr. W says:

    If I’m just oppressed, does that pay me anything?

  351. Mr. W says:

    Haps,

    the story is not static, it’s fluid. We are past Breitbart. We are on the 3 billion repairations slush-fund.

    Nobody cares about who said what anymore. She’s a tool. Period.

    What I care about is that the government is shoveling money to people who did not earn it. I know that’s not new, but it’s getting ridiculous.

  352. JD says:

    Bob – I specifically told you to NOT look that up.

  353. Ernst Schreiber says:

    How’s that effect fiscal austerity?

    Doesn’t matter Bob because she has the unimpeachable moral authority that accrues to members of a officially recognized oppressed minority victims’ group, as well as the complete lack of accountability that flows from liberal condescension. Shirley Sherrod is no more accountable for her shakedown kleptomania than she is for her racial Tourrette’s.

  354. Bob Reed says:

    they were applauding the victimization of the white man and that could. not. stand.

    And after all of the years of the NAACP set playing the race card and compaining about victimization, no, that hypocritical horse hockey could.not.be.allowed.to.stand.

    Playing with fire can lead to burns sometime.

    Or to use a different analogy, sometimes it turns out that victims of the collateral damage associated with a precision strike, were in reality supporting the combatants that were targeted, as opposed to lily-white, chaste, pure and innocent.

    And it’s especially bad when the the injured go on to basically indict themselves in the very interviews that were meant to instead pull at heartstrings.

  355. Mr. W says:

    One day someone will prove me wrong, but not today. The Dems give the signal to dump Barry over the side. Metaphorically, of course.

    “Has Obama gone from messianic to the Titanic in less than two short years? Yes.”

    The Reichstag can’t catch on fire fast enough for Barry, can it?

  356. Bob Reed says:

    JD, I didn;t even have to look it up! I remembered ot from when you had bandied it about here in the past.

    *shiver*

  357. JD says:

    Not quite as laugh-inducing as donkeypunch.

  358. happyfeet says:

    like some kind of witch with blue fingers in mittens she smells like the cat and the neighbors she sickens*

  359. Bob Reed says:

    racial Tourrette’s

    Excellent descriptor Ernst.

  360. Bob Reed says:

    Is that a line from that Dqueeze tune happyfeet?

  361. happyfeet says:

    here to be enjoying the new hotness

  362. Bob Reed says:

    meya! The adults are speaking! Mind your place.

    Preferably anywhere but here.

  363. B Moe says:

    Except that it wasn’t really a ‘figurative’ lynching but actually a lynching.

    Really? Who got hung?

  364. happyfeet says:

    hah yes it’s Squeeze Mr. Bob it’s a about not judging people cause of you don’t know their story really

  365. B Moe says:

    Is this one of those things were there used to be this many farmers, but now their numbers have dwindled? Or the discrimination resulted in them not having what was needed to enter into the gig? Nah, it can’t be that simple, can it?

    I tried to get a loan to buy a farm and the bank discriminated against me because I was a slack ass, drug addled musician.

    Where the hell is my money?

  366. happyfeet says:

    just *it’s about* I think

  367. Bob Reed says:

    Well thanks for the link happyfeet, I’ll check it out tomorrow. Until then, I ‘ve got to call it a night, and wish all of my pals here the best.

  368. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Excellent descriptor Ernst.

    It’s not mine, it’s happyfeet’s. And I disagree that it’s an excellent discriptor. It’s an excellent excuse for refusing to treat her as a fully autonomous human being with free will and all that that entails, of keeping her “numinous” as it were, but it’s not an excellent discriptor.

  369. happyfeet says:

    goodnight Bob tomorrow is a new day I imagine but they’re getting awful grim for all the newness I think don’t you think so Ernst

  370. sdferr says:

    “…you don’t know their story really”

    I think maybe Shirley has been the recipient of some messagings on how she shouldn’t go around unblackening her little President man.

  371. happyfeet says:

    hah I think so too

  372. pdbuttons says:

    green acres is the place u outta be

  373. happyfeet says:

    new douche same as the old douche

    “It’s a very complicated industrial accident,” Mr. Dudley said during a telephone interview with reporters. It resulted from “a series of individual misjudgments by very experienced people and a multiple series of failures of equipment and processes of using equipment that is going to involve multiple companies here.”*

  374. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I’m an S.S.D.D. kind of guy myself. And we’ve seen grimmer. And Clio has seen grimmer still. But those Muses are fickle gals. Sometimes they go for that.

  375. Mike LaRoche says:

    farming is the life for me…except if I’m a honky or an uncle tom

  376. pdbuttons says:

    i squeeze my produce when no ones looking
    i hope no ones looking/ haven’t got arrested yet

  377. happyfeet says:

    fucking cripples*

  378. pdbuttons says:

    crippled farmers make the best medicine

  379. Pablo says:

    Except that it wasn’t really a ‘figurative’ lynching but actually a lynching.

    How many people were involved?

  380. pdbuttons says:

    crippled donkeys dont plow so good
    but crippled cows are easy to push

  381. Mike LaRoche says:

    and even easier to tip

  382. pdbuttons says:

    ‘crippled horses- the return”
    is the name of the new robert duvall/ kevin costner flick

  383. pdbuttons says:

    i tip my waitress 20 percent
    even when she spills

  384. happyfeet says:

    At Chipotlepotle I just get the barbacoa burrito bowl with pinto beans or black beans I really don’t effing care about which beans and then I make them put pretty much everything else including something I think I have to pay extra for … guacamole? They always make a big deal about it. And I used to get the chips but not lately. Mostly in the line I look at everybody and check out what cell they have. Everyone always pulls out their cell when they’re in line at Chipotlepotle.

    I remember the first time I went to Chipotlepotle the lady axed me what kinda sauce you want and I said “chipotle please.” She said “we don’t have that” in a tired voice grown weary from reading people what it says on the sauce handles.

  385. happyfeet says:

    but the point before I go to bed is that the continuum of reparations is very complicated really and I don’t relish thinking about it hardly ever… for reals who’s to say why should someone not be able to get to see the foozle at Chipotlepotle and maybe these ones got runned out of the farming biz many many many moons ago… what’s nice about a lot of these things is once you fix them they stay fixed forever

  386. pdbuttons says:

    i like the cripples on south park
    jimmy!
    why did the chicken cross the street?
    to get to the other su/su/su/su/side!

  387. happyfeet says:

    I work sometimes with a very handsome guy what has a very very bad stutter. It’s very fascinating he’s a stuttering chick magnet and he knows Pete Rose.

  388. pdbuttons says:

    i like america cuz i can stumble outta my house and
    there are 5 food stores within 2 miles
    and they have bread aisles and coffee

  389. pdbuttons says:

    pete rose crippled that catcher in the all star game
    cuz he was all high and mighty and win win
    i’ll never forgive him
    i don’t even know the catchers name/ i think he was from/played for cleveland
    pete rose is a punk
    thats my opinion

  390. geoffb says:

    The chance to get educated on the history of state Democratic Party organized and supported white terror oppressing black people, including on the need for expanded federal involvement in stopping it?

  391. pdbuttons says:

    whats in a name? that which we call a rose

  392. geoffb says:

    JD,

    Sorry to here of your troubles.

    My take resolves to one or more of of three.

    Buyer is trying to find a way to back out of deal. Buyer wants something else which they soon will offer to take while leaving the TVs. Buyer is nutz.

  393. Ric Locke says:

    happyfeet, when an individual is concealing evil intent behind a mask of piety and good chumship, it is neither a crime nor a sin to arrange matters so that such a person is tricked into revealing his or her true self. That is what has happened here, and that is what accounts for the sudden disappearance of Sherrods in general from the airwaves and Intertubes.

    Breitbart made an error in doing so, and has apologized for that, apparently sincerely. This puts him several points up the ethical ladder from any of his leftoid competitors.

    Race relations in this country will not improve until we are all prepared to face the unpleasant fact that has made all previous efforts to mend them unfruitful: Blacks, as a group and with many exceptions, do not succeed. Neither smoothing the way nor active assistance appears to have made a dent in that effect; the apparent successes thus generated are fragile and evanescent, evaporating at the first hint of contrary forces.

    There is a small, but significant and vocal, sentiment that regards the Farnham’s Freehold outcome both desirable and necessary. (Not all such people hold that view out of enmity; some of them are amiable, good-hearted fools.) It will fail because it requires blacks to succeed as a group, thus once again frustrating those who advocate change in that direction. The Sherrod Saga is an incident which confirms and exemplifies that failure.

    What worries me is the prospect for tossing the baby out with the bath-water. There are black people living who deserve some compensation for things done to them in the past — after all, I’m still alive, and I’m a member of the last generation to institutionalize that crap — and affirmative action (as originally envisioned) is a necessary measure in the light of reality. Still, it never hurts to expose wounds to the light and air, provided proper sanitation is maintained.

    Regards,
    Ric

  394. geoffb says:

    Hear, not here, but there where needed.

  395. pdbuttons says:

    black cripples are fun
    cuz they’re black/ and cripples
    and people give them a wide berth
    and u can push them haphazardly

  396. pdbuttons says:

    kermit the frog is green
    i think he’s a cripple
    i have my hand up his ass
    let me ask him

  397. Big Bang Hunter says:

    “If I’m just oppressed, does that pay me anything?”

    – No…..First you have to book with OrbitBama, then not be oppressed.

  398. Big Bang Hunter says:

    frogs
    just keep the legs
    the rest tastes like un-chicken

  399. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Brietbart gave Shirley plenty of rope and the horse.

    – She smacked its ass.

  400. pdbuttons says:

    theres a yellow rose of Texas
    that ii am going to see
    no other soldier knows her
    no soldier only me
    she cried so when i left her
    it like bto broke my heart
    and if i ever find her
    we never more will part

    shes the sweetest rose of color
    this soldier ever knew
    her eyes are bright as diamonds
    they sparkle like the dew
    you may talk of your dearest may
    and sing of rosa lee
    but the yellow rose of Texas
    beats the belles of tennesse
    oh my heart is feeling weary
    and my head is hanging low
    im going back to georgy
    to find my uncle joe
    you may talk of beauregard
    and sing of bobby lee
    but the gallant hood of Texas
    he raised hell in tennesse

  401. pdbuttons says:

    she wore blue velvet
    bluer than velvet was the night
    softer than sat in was the light
    from the starsshe wore blue velvet
    bluer than velvet were her eyes
    warmer than may her tender sighs
    love was ours
    ours a love i held tightly
    feeling the rapture grow
    like a flame burning brightly
    but when she left/gone was the glow of
    blue velvet
    but in my heart there’ll always be
    precious and warm/ a memory
    through the years
    and i still can see blue velvet
    through my tears

  402. pdbuttons says:

    i can hum green onions

  403. Big Bang Hunter says:

    i see green onions in the bowl
    that’s whats in the bowl bitch
    onion’s will make you cry
    and so will she if she’s too rich
    it’s like para-diddles on both sides of my brain
    with chop sticks
    or cheap flics
    or mean whips
    standing dangerously close to the chips and dip
    looking for Ms Goodbar

  404. geoffb says:

    Ummmm good, Green Onions.

  405. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Yeh, ole’ Booker T – He dah man.

    – I hadn’t heard that tune since the late 60’s.

    – Tank queue.

  406. pdbuttons says:

    no one gave me a bobby orr?
    i typed with one digit and got a new window
    and typed lyrics from songs to assuage my white guilt
    for you!

    and was gonna do the abbott and costello
    who’s on first bit but its long
    i wish i could paste
    and run safely with scissors

    but i type like chickens eat

  407. Big Bang Hunter says:

    “Good evening Mr. and Mrs. North and South America, and all the oil spills at sea…..Lets go to press…..”

    AP wore services, Washinton DC, 7/28/2010 – “President Onama, speaking from the White house portico, announced that he has decided as an act of contrition for all his many failures he will reinvent the Socialist wheel. Insiders say the odds are 20 to 1 he will fuck that up too, since he mentioned he’ll be using recycled condoms and super glue for his run flat design. ….and now for the baseball scores: 8-5, 4-1, 6-0, and 3-2……in other news….”

  408. Mike LaRoche says:

    How many Obama administration members does it take to change a flat?

    Who cares? It’s Bush’s fault.

  409. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Too many bobby oars just makes you want to back paddle your canoe.

  410. alppuccino says:

    Bush suckdom gave us Obama.

    I’ll number myself among the last 3 now.

  411. B Moe says:

    Comment by pdbuttons on 7/27 @ 10:48 pm

    Ray Fosse.

    Pete Rose was a punk, and a prick, but he didn’t cripple him or end his career.

  412. Mr. W says:

    I know that facts to trolls are as garlic to vampires, but here goes…

    A cursory review of the widely avialable statistics from the government various farm bureaus will demonstrate conclusively that the number of black farmers has been constant for several generations. It has never approached the 86,000 that have been paid off.

    But ponder the numbers, ommiemax. They burn!…The numbers burn!

    • There are approximately 40,000 African-American farmers in the country.

    • Of that 40,000, not all of them have gotten into financial trouble. Some have successful farms.

    • Of those who had financial trouble, not all of them sought out loans. Some tried to stay afloat on their own.

    • Of those who sought out loans, not all of them sought out loans from the USDA. Some got loans from banks or friends.

    • Of those who sought out loans from the USDA, not all of them were denied loans. Some got the loans as requested.

    • Of those who were denied loans, not all of them were denied due to discriminatory racial practices.

    In the end, a total much much smaller than 40,000 could legitimately claim to be victims of discrimination.

    As shown above, it was originally estimated to be no more than 2,000 possible total plaintiffs.

    Somehow, that number quickly swelled to 16,000 wronged claimants.

    And now, as of February, the government has announced its plans to hand out at least $50,000 each to over 70,000 more claimants, over and above the original 16,000.

    This means that the U.S. may be recompensing at least 86,000 African-American farmers for past racial discrimination. But how could that possibly be true if there are only 39,697 African-American farmers in existence nationwide? And if only some subset of them ever applied for loans in the first place and were then unfairly denied loans?

  413. Mr. W says:

    But ommiemax did not listen, and looked at the numbers, and was scorched by the logic.

    But ommiemax staggered on, toeing the company line like a good little stormtooperette.

    She inspired all of the other little socialists with this simple admonition: “We must not let fact and logic deter us; we must carry the banner of Socialism forward, or the hundreds of millions we have killed for nothing, will have died for…um…nothing.”

    OK, it really wasn’t that inspiring, but original thoughts are pretty rare on the left and everybody was sick of chanting ‘no justice no peace’.

  414. alppuccino says:

    I believe Obama will explain it all today on the view. He will tell those educated women who watch that what he’s doing to the country is not really rape-rape.

  415. B Moe says:

    It would be very instructive for you to just read the American Spectator piece and the reaction, both there and on the Internet.

    If you are going to try and start a conversation about something that occurred on another blog it is typical to link and/or quote the piece so that we know what the fuck you are talking about. Until then all you are going to get is conjecture and bullshit because that is all anyone can do, you see.

  416. B Moe says:

    And you could also link any evidence that Shirley’s father wasn’t just the victim of an argument that escalated to violence, because I haven’t seen anything but her word.

  417. Carin says:

    Alp – I’m really hoping the girls ask Obama about the first daughter’s babysitting schedule.

  418. Carin says:

    Perhaps I’ll live mommy-blog it?

  419. alppuccino says:

    Are the Ayres children well-behaved, I wonder?

  420. JD says:

    Hush, meya. You are an idiot.

  421. alppuccino says:

    I believe the show ayers tomorrow, Carin. FYI.

  422. Carin says:

    I had no idea lynching was such a wide-spread phenomena.

    Words. they mean what I want them to mean.

  423. Carin says:

    That word uppity again. It’s loaded. I think it’s best avoided by those who seek clarity.

  424. alppuccino says:

    desperate cries for attention are so ’90s

  425. Carin says:

    Maybe you didn’t get this in her story, but the problem is that he was the victim of a murder that went unpunished.

    I mean, given this definition, we have tons of lynchings in Detroit.

  426. alppuccino says:

    I mean, given this definition, we have tons of lynchings in Detroit.

    Just out of curiosity, who are the lynchers Carin?

  427. ak4mc says:

    So please to unfacepalm.

    Well, since you said “please”…

    :unfacepalm:

    I think you could have said what you said without the “old white guy” thing, is all. But even on that I might differ; I think there are indeed some “old white guys” who could run rings around Obama — even using a walker.

  428. george smiley says:

    They beat him to death, I think that qualifies as a ‘lynching, lynching,’ as Whoopi Goldberg might say.
    You know the thing that most disappoints me about the Sherrods, is that they were extraordinarily courageous once upon a time, risking life and limb, to register voters and rise out of American apartheid,
    that’s why their demagoguery like that of Lewis, Bond, Barry, is so cloying now.

  429. Carin says:

    Just out of curiosity, who are the lynchers Carin?

    Well, technically, it a black-on-black crime.

    but, social justice, institutional racism, bla bla bla. It’s the white man’s fault.

  430. JD says:

    Carin – this particular troll, and all of its personalities has repeatedly tried to insert uppity into the conversation. It predates this conversation by a lot. Now it is an unpunished murder not murder by white supremacists? Note also how it tries to insert white supremacy at every chance. Meya is a lying disingenuous cunt.

    I had a large picture of my girls bolted to the wall, should I be required to leave that, meya?

  431. JD says:

    His “compromise” this morning was that I pay $3000 plus installation charges, return all televisions, and hire an A/V specialist to reinstall everything. This day sucks balls so far. I blame Barcky. And meya. And Kyoto.

  432. Carin says:

    I just like to point out code words, JD.

  433. Carin says:

    JD, I would be so into telling that Jackass to go fuck himself.

    Is this one of those instances where someone else should handle it? I mean, other than you. Or me, obviously.

  434. JD says:

    Carin – I think it wants us to talk about uppity and white supremacy so much that it feels compelled to try to insert it in the conversation.

    And you are correct, I am ill-equipped to deal with these people, as yesterday exemplified. Our realtor is supposed to handle it, and is just forwarding offers to me to decline.

  435. Pablo says:

    You don’t know? It would be very instructive for you to just read the American Spectator piece and the reaction, both there and on the Internet. That would cure you of this unembarrassing ignorance of state supported white supremacist terror.

    No, I do know. And I know it wasn’t a mob, which is a required element of lynching. You’d think our budding legal expert would actually look the thing up before spewing embarrassing misinformation. Well, you’d think that if our budding legal expert weren’t an idiot, but, alas, you are, so we don’t. That’s why planting these little mines is so funny, ‘cuz you blow up real good.

    But no I haven’t found any evidence to dispel the idea that he was being uppity and this “escalated to violence.”

    So you’re not aware of the shooter saying that he was stealing cattle which “escalated to violence”?

  436. Pablo says:

    Pete Rose was a punk, and a prick, but he didn’t cripple him or end his career.

    Hey, Jack Tatum is dead. Yay!

  437. JD says:

    Pablo – it just wants to talk about lynching, uppity, and white supremacy. It is very transparent.

  438. JD says:

    Pete Rose ended Ray Fosse’s career, and for that, I will never forgive him.

  439. Carin says:

    Carin – I think it wants us to talk about uppity and white supremacy so much that it feels compelled to try to insert it in the conversation.

    You mean she wants us to take the bait?

  440. Carin says:

    That would cure you of this unembarrassing ignorance of state supported white supremacist terror from 70 years ago.

    FTFY

  441. JD says:

    Carin – I find it amusing that it is stupid enough to even think that is bait.

  442. Carin says:

    It’s all she’s got.

    I know we’ve complained about it before, the lack of libs ability to debate the essential of today’s issues … well, it’s just getting boring.

  443. Ernst Schreiber says:

    His “compromise” this morning was that I pay $3000 plus installation charges, return all televisions, and hire an A/V specialist to reinstall everything.

    JD, I’d counter with you’ll do everything except pay the $3000, AFTER he agrees to pay you an additional $30,000.

  444. JD says:

    I don’t think it is a lack of ability, it is a lack of desire. Their notions really only work when you look at a time before their “solutions” were tried, and failed.

  445. Carin says:

    Not to change the subject, but I found a new band (new to me) – Taddy Porter. Old fashioned rock and roll. They don’t sound like Nickleback, though, so fans of that nickleback/daughtry genre are bound to be disappointed.
    slow song, but nice.
    faster song which was what first caught my ear.

  446. B Moe says:

    Maybe you didn’t get this in her story, but the problem is that he was the victim of a murder that went unpunished.

    A jury found him not guilty, which could mean they let him off because he was white, or that there were extenuating circumstances, like maybe it was self defense. I haven’t seen any evidence on which to make that judgment.

    They beat him to death, I think that qualifies as a ‘lynching, lynching,’ as Whoopi Goldberg might say.

    The story as I heard it was her father and another man got into an argument which ended with the other man shooting her father. If you have evidence otherwise, please fucking link it.

  447. JD says:

    Ernst – that was close to what I responded. I said I would do everything he asked, but the final sale price would have to increase by $17,500. And I offered to not cuss at him anymore.

  448. Carin says:

    They’ve also got a song called “Mean bitch” which I like.

  449. Carin says:

    And I offered to not cuss at him anymore.

    Heh.

  450. B Moe says:

    Pete Rose ended Ray Fosse’s career, and for that, I will never forgive him.

    Actually he didn’t, JD. If you read the article I linked Fosse played another 10 years and got two World Series rings with Oakland. His career was ended by a knee injury incurred while running the bases.

    Rose was still a jerk.

  451. JD says:

    Carin – saw Jack Johnson this weekend. It was pretty enjoyable.

  452. Squid says:

    One thing I do like about this latest incarnation of the meyabot is the attitude. After years of our speaking down to it as though it were an ignorant and rather slow child, it’s trying out a similar attitude in its latest postings.

    It’s true that I’d prefer the meyabot learn logic, economics, rhetoric, history, physics, mathematics, military logistics, or any other of the vast array of subjects in which it has shown utter ignorance, but that fact that it can learn tone and attitude from us gives me hope that one day it may learn something useful.

    But I’m not holding my breath.

  453. Carin says:

    I’m sure. A tad mellow for me. I have his version of Rudolph the Red nosed Reindeer ;)

  454. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Only $17,500? You’re asshole surcharge must be a lot less than mine.

  455. Joe says:

    BMoe, Sherrod’s father was killed over a dispute with a white farmer over some cows. He was shot in the back. The grand jury did not bring charges against the white farmer. For what it is worth, here is the Salon article on the subject.

    While I take Salon with a grain of salt, I am going to take a wild guess and say race probably had something to do with his death.

  456. Joe says:

    Pete Rose’s destruction had something to do with gambling. And Pete being a jerk off (although he was a damn fine player).

  457. Carin says:

    That’s not the definition. You’re confusing two events.

    But even if you weren’t, the situation with Sherrod’s father was of grand jury refusing to indict the killer despite witness testimony. Is that the problem in Detroit?

    Gee, I thought you said it was the situation when … oh, here’s your words:

    Maybe you didn’t get this in her story, but the problem is that he was the victim of a murder that went unpunished.

    do you want to update what “the problem” is?

    And, yes. I read the AmSpec piece. and the follow up.

    Yawn to the entire event, actually.

    it seems to be a whole kerfuffle over when one is, and isn’t, supposed to use the word Lynching. Either the word means something, or it doesn’t? Perhaps it’s imprecise since so many people seem confused. Perhaps stating the facts of the case, w/o using the politically loaded term “LYNCH” would be the smart move?

  458. Carin says:

    I mean, it’s kinda like saying I called someone uppity, when I really said they were being a bitch.

  459. Joe says:

    Talking about jerks, oh Joy and fuck you homophobes. I did not have this growing up in Indonesia.

  460. JD says:

    Meya – why do you continually try to introduce uppity into the discussion? And, you forgot your vuvuzela.

  461. Pablo says:

    On a law dictioanry at dictionary.com? Please. How about looking at the proposed federal anti-lynching law, that said 3 people was just enough

    That’s from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law and it’s at FindLaw.com. I can understand why you’d want to use a proposal that changes the definition so it works for you. It’s because you’re a mendoucheous moron. None of this changes the fact that Lord is right and you are wrong.

  462. JD says:

    Meya desperately wants to talk about anything other than the actual events from this month, year, or even decade. It prefers to be a mendoucheous twatwaffle about events that happened over 70 years ago.

  463. Pablo says:

    And what claude screws and his deputies did on the courthouse steps qualifies.

    “..or it will, as soon as we can get the definition changed!” Hush, meya.

  464. Carin says:

    I got a great idea, Meya. Why don’t you respond to the WSJ article that claims Obama has been anything but a uniter.

  465. pdbuttons says:

    pete rose has a stupid haircut and he beat the red sox in 75 with that hit
    and joe morgan sucks too
    and cincinnati can blow me
    and fans got trampled to death at that who concert
    but i hear the suburbs of cincinnati are pleasant
    its a nice place to get lost in

  466. Pablo says:

    You know, Lord even cites that law.

    And….?

    So to say that Bobby Hall was lynched is, factually, according to the Supreme Court and, if you prefer, Webster’s, not true. No mob. Therefore no “mob action.”

    That’s Lord. So what’s your point? Oh, wait. You don’t have a point. Forget I asked.

  467. alppuccino says:

    While only 3% of the country realize that George Bush was the best Governor Texas ever had, and he brought that kind of leadership and dignity to the presidency, 46% of Americans at least somewhat approve of Obama’s performance so far.

    So the Bush Suck, as Joe put it, 4.7% unemployment is what got us Obama.

    I tend to think a bunch of morons who think this way got us Obama.

  468. alppuccino says:

    Fox News sometimes reports the truth about Obama’s incompetence and meya also claims it’s unpopular with black people?

    If these two were related, it might mean skin color is in play.

  469. Carin says:

    I hate to throw Obama’s own words at you …

    Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long. Let us remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House – a party founded on the values of self-reliance, individual liberty, and national unity. Those are values we all share, and while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress. As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, “We are not enemies, but friends…though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection.” And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn – I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too.

  470. Carin says:

    But, I guess you’re admitting that Obama just said all the bullshit to get elected, right?

  471. Mr. W says:

    The key here is that Sherrod’s father’s race-based murder has bestowed upon her an unassailable position in the American Leftist Corporation, and entitled her to trust funds and commissions paid by the serfs.

    Thus does a po’ black child become a wealthy executive in Statist America.

    It’s good to see other ambitious lackeys like meya grasping for the federal brass ring too.

    I bet it’s nice collecting a check from the American leftist Corporation’s Department of Departmental Departments for commenting on Protein Wisdom. Good career choice.

    Just think, 20 years more of that and you will have spent your entire adult life accomplishing exactly nothing in the service of a Gigantic Corporation* that sees you as, at best, a useful idiot.

    What ‘work’ did the government hire you to do exactly?

    *Sorry, meya, International Leftist Corp. is just another Corp., except International Leftist Corp. doesn’t produce anything but poverty, and takes its revenue at the point of a gun.

  472. Squid says:

    I can’t believe we’re allowing ourselves once again to be distracted by the meyabot. I don’t care how Sherrod’s dad was killed. I don’t care who did it, how many of them there were, what their skin color was, or what reasons they had for their actions. I don’t care whether the prosecutor was crooked or incompetent, nor whether the grand jury was lazy or racist. None of that matters. And you know why? Because none of it excuses the behavior of a woman who was tempted to let a farmer go hang on account of his superficial resemblance to somebody the woman held a grudge against.

    We’re spending thousands of pixels arguing over whether Sherrod had a legitimate grudge against the people responsible for the injustices of her youth. The question at hand is whether Sherrod had a legitimate grudge against the people who came to her office for help. That answer is NO.

    To the extent that Sherrod’s story at the NAACP was a tale of redemption, it’s admirable that she owns up to her initial racism and overcomes it. To the extent that the additional evidence coming to light shows that Sherrod hasn’t really overcome her racism, I’m moving her from the “wronged unfairly” column to the “wronged unfairly in the particulars but still loathsome overall” column.

    No amount of quibbling over the particulars of events that happened 70 years ago is going to change the fact that this bitch is unfit for any position in which to further abuse her authority toward her continuing racist ends today.

    If a caravan of gypsies stole your children, I’d understand your reasons for disliking gypsies, but I sure as hell wouldn’t put you in charge of an organization that deals with gypsy issues, and I’d sure as hell not forgive you for abusing your power if you were given such a position.

    Historical grievances do not excuse contemporary misdeeds. Period.

  473. happyfeet says:

    certain right wing think tanks suck dirty socialist cock even more than Obama

  474. happyfeet says:

    I’m just sort of prone to saying that sort of thing out of the blue

  475. JD says:

    Did I read that right, Pablo? Meya wants to use a definition of lynching from a proposed piece of legislation?

    Carin – by the definition of the meya-types of the world, if black people do not like it, it must be racist.

    How hard is it for you to keep all of your personalities in order, meya?

  476. pdbuttons says:

    the hoover institutee frutti is liked named after a vacunm cleaner

    aside/ my dads nickname was “reeka”
    cuz he sold eureeka vacuum cleaners when he was young
    but when ever people overheard him refered to as reeka
    and ask me/ why they calling ur dad reeka
    i’d say /cuz he smells
    he only beat me once/ i deserved it

  477. Pablo says:

    It sure looks that way, JD.

  478. pdbuttons says:

    are black people scared of trees?
    cuz i see trees and think of swings
    but lately/as i get older/ i think of squirrels
    and how i’d like to hang them
    hang them high!
    the good squirrels/ the bad squirrels
    and the ugly squirrels
    except rocky and bo diddley winkle
    cuz hes a moose
    and mooses are heavy

  479. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – OJ savagely cut the throats of two white people and got a pass.

    – Does that mean by meya’s talking points he owns America reparations?

  480. geoffb says:

    Take a word, any word, intentionally misuse it to put an image into public play that was not what happened in reality but causes a more useful immediate reaction. When reality comes calling, twist the meaning of the word, hard, relying perhaps on some obscure definition that was put into an equally obscure law. Like legally pi can equal 3 or a tomato is a vegetable and just what is “is” anyway.

    JD, there is a moral to your tale of woe. Doing a business deal with a Democrat will always cause pain and suffering, price accordingly.

  481. JD says:

    There is no doubt he is a Dem, geoffb. None.

  482. Slartibartfast says:

    Can a wall bracket with a TV attached to it be considered a permanent part of a domicile?

    If it’s specified that way in the contract, yes. If not, not.

    I mean, do you think it’s fair to say that my heavy bag, which is bolted to a rafter in my garage, is a permanent part of the domicile? No. Things are a permanent part of the domicile if a) they’re traditionally treated as such (like garage doors, for instance), or b) they’re specified in the contract.

    Doors and windows and dishwashers and garage doors don’t usually get called out unless the seller really, really wants to bring them with him. Toolbenches are more case-by-case. Televisions are appliances that only get left behind if the buyer wants them and includes them in the offer. Wall brackets for holding something heavy on the wall are something that you remove&repair unless the buyer wants them to stay, and pays for them.

    As stated elsewhere, the buyer can ask for anything. They can ask you to install anything, take anything away, you name it. What doesn’t have to happen is: you are stuck doing what the buyer asks.

    You are of course free to write all sorts of ridiculous demands into the contract. You might consider asking the buyer to felch a wombat, for instance. Maybe that’s a bad example, but a nice thought given how badly he pissed you off.

  483. JD says:

    I think I may have told him to do something similar. Looks like we are not closing tomorrow.

  484. JD says:

    The contract specifically excluded TV’s, but his contention now is that since it required hex bolts and not screws to affix the brackets, and the bolts were attached to studs, that they became structural, as did anything attached to them. I told him that I hope his moving trucks have not left his driveway several states away, as I will not give him diddly. And I am going to enjoy spending his earnest money.

  485. B Moe says:

    but his contention now is that since it required hex bolts and not screws to affix the brackets

    You sold your house to meya?

  486. JD says:

    It sure does seem like it, doesn’t it, BMoe. It sure does seem like it.

  487. Pablo says:

    but his contention now is that since it required hex bolts and not screws to affix the brackets

    That describes my monitor, which is mounted on a swivel arm. It is most definitely not a permanent part of the structure. And let me guess, the TV is mounted to the brackets with what? Machine screws, right?

    Just for fun, I’d rehang the brackets, mount some cereal boxes on them and tell him to suck a nut.

  488. sdferr says:

    “they became structural”

    That’s a goofy word, structural.

    1. of or pertaining to structure; pertaining or essential to a structure.

  489. JD says:

    Pablo, I considered something along those lines. But he did/does not want me to do it. He thinks it can only be done by a certified A/V specialist.

    Agreed, sdferr.

  490. JD says:

    Every single picture frame in our home was attached to a stud. Better Half suggested I go back with my nail gun, and shoot the place full of nails, so as to not remove something that they might have wanted.

  491. BJTexs says:

    Guys, all I can tell you is that I called JD last night at the height of this kerfuffle. Listening to him describe it and then recreate his reaction, in gruesome, voluminous detail had me weeping tears of laughter. When JD is pushed off the reason cliff, it is an expletive filled, spittle flecked masterpiece of low comedy.

    I shall be telling this story for years.

  492. JD says:

    That is a lie lie lie. It was many things, but funny was not one of them.

  493. BJTexs says:

    Has JD used the, “Here’s a quarter, go call someone who gives a shit” line yet?

  494. JD says:

    What was your favorite, BJ? We are not in a bazaar? Do I strike you as someone who will willingly take it up the cornhole? Exactly how dishonest do you plan on being? Get the fuck out of my house you lying twatwaffles?

  495. BJTexs says:

    That is a lie lie lie. It was many things, but funny was not one of them.

    Not to you, emergent psychopath, but to me? Rib cramps galore!

    Those people are trying to fleece you. Dare them to walk away from the deal.

  496. BJTexs says:

    All of the above, in toto. JD’;s not telling you that this morning I went down a list of foul and gruesome words and phrases just to see how bad it got for him. He was running about 75% or so.

    “Cornhole” was the one that sent me over the edge.

  497. Slartibartfast says:

    Seriously? He’s arguing that it matters what type of fastener you used?

    I hope you have earnest money. I’d just point to the earnest money and see how attached he is to it. If he goes to court with you over this, I want a tape recording of him being laughed out.

  498. Pablo says:

    Pablo, I considered something along those lines. But he did/does not want me to do it. He thinks it can only be done by a certified A/V specialist.

    Which, the fact that it never was sort of moots that point, doesn’t it? Who the fuck certifies A/V specialists, btw?

  499. I think you can get that A/V certification through the mail if you take an online quiz. I guess it’s similar to the offers I’ve been getting lately for mail-order PhDs.

  500. cranky-d says:

    Semi-sockpupper off!

  501. JD says:

    He just wants money from us. And he ain’t getting it.

  502. Slartibartfast says:

    Who the fuck certifies A/V specialists, btw?

    My brother does high-end home theater installations for a living. As far as I am aware, there is no certification. Or, rather, your certification is that you have previously installed things that not only work well and look professionally done, but kick ass.

  503. bh says:

    I’d consider making him a permanent fixture to your foot.

  504. BJTexs says:

    Ha! JD just told the buyers that he sure hopes their moving vans haven’t left their Minnesota driveway.

    I’m thinking that Jimmy Dean would have made a song about this.

  505. Barry O! says:

    but his contention now is that since it required hex bolts and not screws to affix the brackets, and the bolts were attached to studs, that they became structural, as did anything attached to them.

    Twas me I’d replace the hex bolts with those special one way head security bolts after coating the threads with the best quality epoxy I could find, but I’m an asshole and not in this fix. Hell the people who had the house I bought considered the shower heads and some of the light fixtures to be [re]movable items.

  506. alppuccino says:

    When JD is pushed off the reason cliff, it is an expletive filled, spittle flecked masterpiece of low comedy.

    You should see him miss a putt.

  507. alppuccino says:

    Ha! Gotcha! He never misses.

  508. JD says:

    Did I mention he had a Franken sumper sticker on his car when he arrived at final inspection yesterday?

  509. geoffb says:

    Out damn sock!

  510. geoffb says:

    Now we know why he cannot hook up a TV by his-self.

  511. Slartibartfast says:

    Turns out there is certification; google “CEDIA” and read.

    Still, anyone with half a brain can hook up televisions to sources, provided that the sources are there.

    He didn’t ask you for your cable boxes, surround-sound receivers, blu-ray players, etc did he? After all, those would be connected to something that’s connected to something that’s hex-bolted to a stud.

  512. JD's Inner Psychotic says:

    &*$%#$%&^#@#$%^&*%$^&!!!111!!!

    That is all.

  513. alppuccino says:

    God help you when he finds out these plasma’s have been tuned to Fox News JD.

  514. JD says:

    Closing scheduled for approximately 19 hours and 13 minutes from now. My head is liable to explode between now and then. Must go to my happy place.

  515. JD's Inner Psychotic says:

    There are corn dogs in my happy place. FOR THE CORNHOLING!!!!!

  516. alppuccino says:

    Use a tissue.

  517. cranky-d says:

    Tune the teevees to FauxNewz and then lock them on that channel somehow.

  518. BJTexs says:

    I’d suggest attaching and/or affixing this picture … all over the house.

  519. JD says:

    If by some miracle I have to take all of these brackets and Tv’s back to the house, I am going to program each and every channel to go only to FoxNews, and either erase or block all other channels, then accidentally take the manuals with me.

  520. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Don’t forget the remotes!

  521. Most Minnesotans would not act like that. My guess is he’s not a native.

  522. Slartibartfast says:

    First, make sure you’ve taken to indelibly burn in the FoxNews logo on the display. It’ll haunt him wherever he goes.

  523. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Agreed, not a native, not by a long shot.

    A native Minnesotan might try to jack you for your ice house or fishing boat, but never for a stupid tv.

  524. JD says:

    Good news. They conceded that I do not have to leave the televisions. They are still insisting on $6400 + installation fees done by a certified A/V specialist. As pointed out above, WTF is that?! Regardless, I am not paying that either.

  525. Spiny Norman says:

    Did I mention he had a Franken sumper sticker on his car when he arrived at final inspection yesterday?

    That surprises me not at all.

  526. Spiny Norman says:

    They are still insisting on $6400 + installation fees done by a certified A/V specialist. As pointed out above, WTF is that?! Regardless, I am not paying that either.

    If it is not in the purchase contract, they can go fuck themselves. Seriously.

  527. bh says:

    A native Minnesotan surely wouldn’t but a transplant will not only demand your televisions but will throw a playoff ending interception.

  528. Spiny Norman says:

    My dad has had a real estate broker’s license since 1975, and jackholes like the ones harassing JD are part of why he got out of the sales end of the business.

    The other main reason was other agents behaving just as badly.

  529. JD says:

    Spiny – I called their agent this morning and gave him an earful. I think I mentioned “your $20,000 commission” about 74 times.

  530. Ernst Schreiber says:

    NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT’S HOLY WHY DEAR GOD WHY??!??!!!!?!!!!! DAMN YOU FAVRE!!!! DAMN YOU TO HELLLLL!!!!!!!

  531. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Sorry about that. Bad flashback there.

  532. BJTexs says:

    Did you suggest he cornhole his commission? (giggle)

  533. cranky-d says:

    Hey, if the agent wants to, he can pay for his client’s insane demands himself. He’s getting plenty of money for this mess.

  534. JD says:

    I just spent an hour emailing links to the other agent showing exactly how much these fucking things cost, and that their “compromise” offered was at least 10 times too high.

  535. JD says:

    Ugh, my head. You guys are saving my sanity. Better Half sure isn’t.

  536. cranky-d says:

    What does she think you should do, kill the guy? I’m sure it’s tempting.

  537. JD says:

    I should have said 10 times higher than the actual cost. It is impossible to express it in 10 times what I actually owe, since I owe zero.

  538. BJTexs says:

    I vote kill! For the entertainment value.

  539. JD says:

    No, cranky. She wants me to take them all back and get it over with. She says that for less than 1% of the cost, this is silly. Which I agree. They are silly.

  540. cranky-d says:

    For $6300 you could buy the teevees and the frelling brackets.

  541. BJTexs says:

    Of course you could agree to taking half the TV’s back …. and then sawing every one of them in half.

    Entertainment index growing …

  542. cranky-d says:

    JD, that is exactly what they are hoping you’ll do. That’s why you probably shouldn’t do it.

    Easy for me to say, of course, I’m not the one cleaning my guns in preparation for a killing spreedealing with these bozos.

  543. JD says:

    Yes, cranky, that is why I called it their “compromise”.

  544. cranky-d says:

    Apparently I’m a huge idiot because I would assume that the seller would be taking the televisions with him, or if not, I would ask about it. If I hadn’t asked, then that’s my fault if they’re gone and I expected them there.

  545. pdbuttons says:

    my tricycle needs attention
    please don’t stick a tube up my bum
    can i leave it and come back tomorrow?
    the keys are in the barbie purse
    call me on the can with strings line/ if u get done early

  546. JD says:

    I am not giving in, now way, no how. My guns are in storage. Except for the M700 APR. Plus, I really wish I had a Holland & Holland right about now.

    Every single one of the brackets can be replaced for a grand total of, drumroll … $624 plus tax. I could re-install all of them in less than an hour, provided Better Half did not nag me. So, they are still off by about a lot. I responded to their compromise by saying I would agree to all of their demands should they be willing to increase the final sale price by the exact same amount.

  547. pdbuttons says:

    i saw a telivision once
    it was on the back of a burro in
    the arizona desert/ heading north
    of course/ i denounce myself

  548. Ernst Schreiber says:

    JD, do you know for a fact that the buyer’s possessions are already on the moving van? Because if so, the closer the clock gets to closing time, the stronger your position becomes. Or so it seems to me.

  549. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Ruark didn’t say use “more than enough gun,” JD.
    An H & H is overkill unless the guy looks like Michael Moore.

  550. JD says:

    Ernst – Yes, I know that for a fact. In fact, the trucks are already rolling.

  551. Slartibartfast says:

    JD, do you know for a fact that the buyer’s possessions are already on the moving van? Because if so, the closer the clock gets to closing time, the stronger your position becomes. Or so it seems to me.

    More to the point: if you have obtained earnest money, and they no-show on closing for any reason, it’s yours to keep if you so choose. Which, in this case, I might consider doing.

  552. bh says:

    Stick to your guns as he’s on the road. End all counter offers with “and then you blow me.”

  553. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Just keep saying no JD. He’ll cave on everything, unless he wants to pay the moving company’s exorbitant storage fees while he’s living at the Day’s Inn.

    Of course that assumes he not a stupid obnoxious asshole, and you already know he’s got two out of three covered, so….

  554. JD says:

    Oh, I am going to enjoy spending their earnest money. I mentioned yesterday that I might buy stock in Level Mount with their money, or new golf clubs (those new X24 Hot irons rock), or some new TV’s. Regardless, it will be well spent.

  555. JD says:

    Ernst – I am struggling to figure out how he is not 3/3 on that.

  556. Slartibartfast says:

    It’s bad luck not to spend some of your earnest money on high-quality alcohol.

  557. JD says:

    Then I will buy a case of FatTire or Stella for our next dinner party.

  558. happyfeet says:

    this is very unusual for people to want the tvs in the exact same place the previous owner had the tvs… what if you guys didn’t have tvs? He wouldn’t know where they were supposed to go, would he? No. He would be very lost and confuzzled. So I think if he’s getting tv placement guidance for free then he should figure he’s way ahead of the game.

  559. Ernst Schreiber says:

    JD, I’m just working on the assumption that he’s going to want to have a place to put all of his shit when it arrives. You still have a place to live, he doesn’t, so what kind of leverage does he really have here? Somebody, his agent, his poor wife, maybe his mother has got to be telling him he’s blowing up the deal over $700 worth of wall brackets. Sooner or later, he might start listening.

  560. JD says:

    His agent got an earful from me. To paraphrase – instead of leaving a basket of wine and cheese on the counter for your client, you might consider buying a couple brackets, a drill, and a ratchet set.

  561. Slartibartfast says:

    or a clue. That would come in more handy than all the tools in the world.

    Especially if, given some subset of tools, you had no clue about what to do with them.

  562. JD says:

    Yeah, he might hurt himself, or others. Good point, I don’t want people getting hurt.

  563. happyfeet says:

    I’m starting to suspect he just wants him some free shit.

  564. BJTexs says:

    I think ‘feets has the nub of it.

    Mmmmmmmm … free shit ……

  565. JD says:

    He ran into a brick wall, happyfeet. Not that you all care, but my last response was basically “if your client asked for $624 plus install, at least he would not be trying to assbang me”.

  566. JD says:

    Split the difference, I pay $3500 and they pay $3500?

  567. Slartibartfast says:

    Why? You’d be out $3500.

    Unless it got tacked on to the purchase price, of course, and then you’d only be out about $175, depending on what the commission rate is.

  568. JD says:

    I declined. I told him any “compromise” that involved me paying them, or reducing the purchase price would be unacceptable. Earlier, the other agent said “let me explain where they are coming from”, and I informed him I do not care where they are coming from, but know exactly where they are going.

  569. JD says:

    Can capital gains taxes be assessed on the sale of a house, after a certain period of time? Can I give them a deadline to resolve this, so I do not have to deal with it all night, and tomorrow morning?

  570. bh says:

    It’s your residence and you’re married so I think you’re paying cap gains on any profit above $500k.

  571. bh says:

    Check that, someone just told me there might not be any cap gain at all, regardless.

    Just a minute…

  572. JD says:

    Well, we didn’t make that much, so all is well. Wait, profit, or sale price?

  573. JD says:

    I know, I know, consult a tax professional …

  574. bh says:

    Nope. Had it right the first time. Primary residence, married, cap gains after $500k profit.

    Pub 523.*

  575. bh says:

    Profit.

  576. JD says:

    Cool. You rock.

  577. JD says:

    Alright, now I am infuriated with these people.

  578. JD says:

    They just “accepted” something never offered to them.

  579. bh says:

    Probably new TVs because your old ones were used. Which, hey, is pretty unfair of you.

  580. Makewi says:

    What was it?

  581. bh says:

    If there are kids in this thread, they should put on their earmuffs now.

  582. JD says:

    Earlier, while telling them how fucking stupid and dishonest they are, I mentioned that if they had asked for $624 plus install at least they would be in line with the actual costs. So, now they are accepting my offer of $624 plus costs even though I only said that as a way to show them what an honest request on their part may look like. I swear on all that is holy that these cum guzzling mothe fucking cornholing assbandits are going to make my head explode. Anyone want to buy a house?

  583. Makewi says:

    Make a counter offer that you are willing to nail some old 10″ black and white crt’s to the wall for them.

  584. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Not that I want to make you’re problems any worse, but if you’re with their agent directly? What the hell are you paying your agent for again?

    On the positive side, since last night they’ve gone from “all ur TVs are b’long 2 US” to “please leave the brackets,” so you’re wearing them down.

  585. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Dealing with their agent, I meant.

    Tomorrow morning, you offer to kick $500 towards their closing costs to get them to sign the papers. That’s it.

  586. bh says:

    I’d consider just being “unreachable” while they squirm.

  587. JD says:

    These are all coming via my agent, and conferenced calls. I went all Vesuvius about their accepting an offer not made. Their realtor is just being a mouthpiece for their wishes. Told them that anything short of “I am sorry” and we will start asking for costs of them wasting our time.

  588. JD says:

    Bh – told them that any further calls tonight should only be to drop all demands and agree to what we agreed to originally, before they started being douchenozzle. No more negotiating. Close, or not. I don’t care.

  589. bh says:

    When is it supposed to close exactly?

  590. JD says:

    10 AM, EST

  591. geoffb says:

    Going from #517 I’m guessing 10 am eastern

  592. happyfeet says:

    now I’m the crazy guy sitting in his office laughing at his computer but for reals they can buy their own brackets jeez this is gonna be the most awkward closing ever

  593. bh says:

    An earlier close is probably good. If you do negotiate, you can always do it 10 minutes beforehand. Let him toss and turn tonight and then start to seriously worry about alternate plans when he wakes up.

  594. JD says:

    I do not think it will be awkward, least not for me. I suspect it will go quickly. Maybe I will just walk in, say shut the hell up and sign the papers, and not say another word.

  595. happyfeet says:

    oh. Is better half going with?

  596. JD says:

    Yes, she is. I really feel bad for the other realtor, who has had to bear the brunt of this.

  597. Ernst Schreiber says:

    JD, demand separate rooms at the closing. Agents can suffle the papers back and forth. Because you don’t even want to look at ’em.

  598. happyfeet says:

    oh. I was hoping for pictures.

  599. bh says:

    I’m with Ernst on that. The guy is probably more likely to just shut up and sign if he doesn’t have to do so in front of you.

  600. newrouter says:

    i second a 2nd room. you don’t need to interface with these losers

  601. JD says:

    No way. He will sit directly across the table.

  602. happyfeet says:

    I’m pretty sure you guys will intimidate them once y’all are all in a room together really.

  603. bh says:

    Okay, I want video then.

  604. JD says:

    I called him every name in the book except for his name during the walk-thru. I will endeavor a picture, but I will have to lean over as I am about 8-9 inches taller.

  605. geoffb says:

    Seconded.

  606. happyfeet says:

    yes cause right now I picture him with a porn stache and a members only jacket

  607. bh says:

    Heh.

  608. JD says:

    That is not terribly off base. Picture a short, slight, very hairy Turkish dude. Think hairshirt and one of those pube half-beards.

  609. happyfeet says:

    I wonder if he has a hookah. Which room would make the best hookah room you think?

  610. JD says:

    I would enjoy sharing a hookah with him, if I could stand the sight of him. They still have yet to agree.

  611. JD says:

    Still no response. I may sleep in tomorrow.

  612. JD says:

    I am going to wake up around 9:00, check my voice mail and email, and if no response, go back to bed, and lay there figuring out how I should start spending their earnest money.

  613. John Bradley says:

    Stupid clock, move faster!

    I’m completely hooked on JD’s story, gotta know how it turns out…

  614. Bagram Dewclaw says:

    Not that anyone axed…. but I have a pretty good closing-on-a-house story.

    Long story not-as-long… wife cheated on me with an inbred hick twatwaffle she met on marriedandflirting.net . We divorced, sold our three year old custom built house (which I loved more than the soon to be ex), and she was in the process of moving with my two kids to Georgia to be with her “soulmate.” I tell her at closing that if her new soon-to-be-husband does anything other than stay away from me when I come over to the sold house to pick up my kids for our last visit, there will be… trouble (in my best ROBOCOP voice).

    I have seen pics of this douchenozzle and know he is an overweight, balding, goatee wearing putz. I drive up to pick up my kids, and an overweight, balding, goatee wearing putz comes out of my old house and offers his hand for a handshake. In an absolute rage, I sputter that he needs to get the f*ck away from me before I fold him like a lawnchair. He looks at me with a shocked look on his face, and before I can punch him in his squeakhole, he says,

    “Dude… I’m the guy who bought your house.”

    As I am stuttering out apologies and shaking his hand nearly clean off, the REAL Mr. Twatwaffle comes out the house, sees me, and goes right back in.

    The rest of the time waiting for my kids to come out was spent laughing and drinking a beer with my new bestest buddy. When I explained the situation to him, he said he completely understood and would have done the exact same thing.

    I hope my story brings a little bit of a smile to your face JD… dealing with cockholsters sux ass.

    Dew

  615. JD says:

    I will let you know how it turns out, John Bradley. Still no response and closing is scheduled for a little less than an hour and a half away.

    Bagram – That was an insta-classic. Awesome story, except for the obvious shitty part.

  616. Danger says:

    Good Luck on the closing JD,

    FWIW,
    My Real Estate guy says no way on the TV’s but maybe on the mounts depending on the wording of the sales contract.

  617. Carin says:

    Oh my. I’ll be waiting on pins and needles.

    The guns ARE safely locked away, right?

  618. Carin says:

    Ha! Funny story Dew.

  619. Bagram Dewclaw says:

    JD, it’s all good… other than not getting to see the kids that much. Of course being in Afghanistan contributes to that too.

    I hope everything works out with the sale… let us know how it shakes loose. Hopefully it won’t include descriptions of you choking the crap out of Mr. Hairshirt over the table at the Title Company.

    Heh.

  620. BJTexs says:

    Bagram: Awesome Story. LMAO.

  621. BJTexs says:

    JD: If you do decide to do separate rooms I’d set up a string and can system for communication. You know, just for sentimental value.

  622. JD says:

    They emailed and said they were confident we could resolve this misunderstanding at closing. So, away we go. No guns, I will go only with my charming personality, rapier wit, and cheerful smile. Essentially, I am going unarmed.

  623. JD says:

    As it stands, their demand is that I pay them $1000, and my counter was I pay $0 and refrain from kicking them in the teeth and carving my initials in his hairshirt.

  624. BJTexs says:

    HAIRSHIRTIST!!!

    Let me guess: Better half is going to the closing wearing a hazmat suit with one of those riot helmets with a face shield … you know … for the splatter …

  625. Bagram Dewclaw says:

    Make sure you superimpose the “J” and “D” in sort of a cool logo-like brand configuration….

    Holy crap does this Mr. Hairshirt have some serious stones….

    Still hoping this home sale works out for you, brother!

  626. BJTexs says:

    Seriously, best wishes and hoping your head doesn’t asplode before you get the check.

  627. JD says:

    I think Better Half just broke my shin. I tried to take a picture of him, and she kicked me with some pointy toed shoes that hurt.

    He led off with “I can understand why you misunderstood our position”. I did not respond.

  628. JD says:

    Here we go. My goal is to not say anything other than no, yes, and thank you prior to leaving. Anything beyond that will lead to bad dark places.

  629. happyfeet says:

    ouch I hope it’s going well misunderstood nothing he wanted free shit

  630. Bagram Dewclaw says:

    You are my new hero, JD.

    Heh.

  631. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Bet you can talk ’em down to $300 towards their closing costs.

  632. BJTexs says:

    On the one side: Turkish house buyer who wants free shit.

    On the other side: JD, who wants to beat the shit out of house buyer.

    DING!

  633. B Moe says:

    I will go only with my charming personality, rapier wit, and cheerful smile. Essentially, I am going unarmed.

    Coffee on the keyboard.

  634. Carin says:

    What happened to JD live-commenting the closing?

    I’m a worrier.

  635. Pablo says:

    Uh oh. Did you hear that thud?

  636. Bagram Dewclaw says:

    Does the sound of a hairshirt being shorn one handful at a time make a thud?

  637. Carin says:

    Look, if something untoward happens, someone needs to scrub this thread. Premeditation carries a stiffer sentence.

  638. JD says:

    When you say the word twatwaffle or mendoucheous in polite society, not on the innertubes, people look at you funny.
    This is like a bad mediation.

  639. Carin says:

    What about kerfuffle?

    I think you should start slapping him with your cock.

  640. JD says:

    “I just want to make sure we are very clear on this. This will end with me paying you $0 and you thanking me or I will not sell my house to you”.

  641. BJTexs says:

    Police Officer: Ok, what happened here … HOLY CRAP ON A CRACKER! Are those, I mean, Oh my God what, what did …

    Realtor: Yes, officer those are … are … TV brackets crammed into every orifice imaginable. I mean … it was … it was … the horrorthe horror

  642. Bagram Dewclaw says:

    Did the “twatwaffle” part come before or after that sentence?

    Frikken GOLD!

  643. JD says:

    I said “Senor Hairshirt” under my breath and our agent burst out laughing. I just learned a trick – it is hard to stay mad at someone if you picture them with a sombrero and a hairshirt, with a monkey on their shoulder, holding a bottle of cheap tequila.

    $500 and forget this ever happened. Their will is waning.

  644. JD says:

    Will not waning … They want to take a break and come back with a real estate lawyer after lunch.

  645. Carin says:

    How did he react to the cock-slapping?

  646. JD says:

    I am getting the feeling that my principles are leading me down a path that is not the most advantageous for me. $500 in comparison to the overall number is, frankly, nothing.

    I did mention to his agent that they are just wasting money, as lawyers don’t work for free, a contingency fee off of 0 is still 0, and I will spend their earnest money in the most frivolous way possible.

  647. Bagram Dewclaw says:

    Jeez….

    I think you’re gonna end up doing hard time, JD. Jacking Senor Hairburka’s ass up like a flat tire with someone in the room with a legal background (even if it is real estate law) is probably going to be detrimental to your continued freedom from incarceration.

    All kidding aside, I am still praying like a madmen that this ends without you being arrested or developing an ulcer.

  648. JD says:

    Carin – my tiny member remains duct taped to my calf. Me and Buyer are the only guys in the room, and the 6 women have been watching this in bewildered awe and horror.

  649. alppuccino says:

    Stay strong JD. (which means do what is right for you)

    But on a side note, Hey BJTexas, you put the “Cowboy Prayer” thread to sleep with your awesomeness. I think everyone is probably plagiarizing your prayer to God right now instead of trying to add to it.

    That’s a good thing.

    …..but JD, don’t let the spirit of praying for you fellow man prevent you from humiliating this cock-bag you’re working with. That was not my intention.

  650. Bagram Dewclaw says:

    Yeah… definitely praying for Cowboy too.

    That prayer was teh awesome.

  651. JD says:

    Yeah, BJ is a really good fellow. Cowboy too.

    I am tempted to pay him the $500 and get it over with, which is what he is counting on, which makes it harder for me to do. If he said go give $500 to the next person that walks into the building, I would be more inclined to do that. The idea of giving our money to hairshirt is noxious.

  652. newrouter says:

    give him $500 in pennies

  653. cranky-d says:

    At this point, anyone who is trying to get $500 out of you is just being a tool.

  654. BJTexs says:

    Thanks, guys. Id pray for JD’s closing but it’s tough to pray and laugh my ass off at the same time.

  655. alppuccino says:

    500 $1 annual installments.

  656. Carin says:

    Give him a check, and in the memo section write “for chest waxing.”

  657. JD says:

    Okay, that brief moment of compassion passed. I am with cranky – tool trying to steal my money. Lawyer arrived, apparently I am supposed to be scared.

  658. newrouter says:

    is the lawyer a man? 7-2 or 6-3

  659. cranky-d says:

    This buyer is an idiot, unless the Lawyer is his cousin or is working pro-bono, because the lawyer’s fees will eat that $500 up in no time.

  660. BJTexs says:

    I think the problem you are having here is that he’s one of those guys (Middle East cultural but not entirely reserved for that region) who feels as though he absolutely has to win the negotiation by squeezing the last drop of blood from the stone at the last minute. It’s possible that he doesn’t see your reaction as a heartfelt and personal outrage at this indignity but as a loud negotiating ploy.

    That having been said Senior Hairnozzle will have to spend some time adding up the cost of the lawyer and the Resident Inn stay and the cost of moving and storage and the $4000 retainer he’ll have to pay to try to get his deposit back. That doesn’t seem like a winning strategy but he may be unwilling or unable to come off of his negotiating attitude.

    Be prepared for him to settle but demand that you pay his attorney’s fees. I’m quite stunned that he actually had one standing by.

  661. JD says:

    7-2

    She is jibber jabbering about altering the terms of the contract by deforming the structure and treble damages.

    This whole “I know you are frustrated”, and “I understand why you don’t understand” bullshit is going to make my head explode.

  662. cranky-d says:

    I think BJTexs has the right of it.

  663. Carin says:

    Oh god. That is horrible.

    I’m gonna say a prayer for JD now.

  664. cranky-d says:

    Hey, I’m a big fan of being condescended to as well, JD. It just makes my day!

  665. JD says:

    They will be asking for fees, too. Now Better Half is pissed too, at me! Their demand is back up to $625 + installation + fees. I told them that if they do not drop their silly dishonest demands and close based on the terms negotiated, they can park their moving trucks in the parking lot of a Holiday Inn Express and maybe they will get smart. I asked for caselaw on tv brackets, none known, and that I would tie up their earnest money from now until the Cubs win the World Series if they do not close today.

  666. BJTexs says:

    Fees! Heh! I’m Nostradamus!

  667. alppuccino says:

    Desperate times require desperate measures JD. Go on The View and plead your case.

  668. Worse comes to worse, take 1k off the selling price, no money for them at closing. Don’t budge. Realtor should be representing your interests unless they signed a buyer’s contract, which they wouldn’t because it’s stupid. Of course, in my experience, most realtors are pretty stupid.

    BTW, why are you letting this guy in the state anyway, what if they breed?

  669. happyfeet says:

    I do not have a relevant youtube link what I can think of

  670. JD says:

    Somehow I have become the bad guy in this.

  671. B Moe says:

    Charge them for your time they have wasted.

  672. B Moe says:

    And emotional damages.

  673. alppuccino says:

    Nice guys finish last JD.

    But you did bow really low when you met him, right?

  674. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I think you could have settled at $300 when was down to $500.

  675. JD says:

    The nice part is, which I reminded them of, is that I have no need to sell, and they cannot force me to.

  676. cranky-d says:

    And you could still keep the earnest money, right? I wouldn’t forget to mention that.

  677. geoffb says:

    If nothing else you should get a screenplay out of this, a sequel to the movie the buyer’s wife probably watched and took to heart just before the walk-through.

  678. bh says:

    I’d put a time limit on your meeting right now. If this is some goofy attempt to hardball, let him know that you’re perfectly happy walking away.

    (Also, friendly advice, consider taking a short break and talking to your wife.)

  679. JD says:

    Done. Told them that I will not pay them a penny, and the most they could ever get out of this was the depreciated cost of a 3 year old bracket plus whatever BS charges their little law poodle could cook up. In the interim, I would do everything I could to make it as expensive and time consuming as possible, while asking for our own damages in counter. Poodle was not at all pleased. Told them we already moved and can afford to pay for both, and asked them if they want to live in a hotel or the back of their moving van over this. Signing the papers now. Fuckers.

  680. bh says:

    Also, if their lawyer speaks again, tell them that you’ll only speak directly to the buyers or agents. You’re under no obligation to speak to their hired counsel.

  681. alppuccino says:

    Told them we already moved and can afford to pay for both

    They’ll get you back when they let the Bush Tax Cuts expire rich boy.

  682. bh says:

    Wait, they’re signing? On the original terms?

  683. JD says:

    Which is fortunate for me, because Better Half told me to give them something reasonable to resolve this. I wanted one more last ditch effort. It is not like them could sue to to make me sell my house. Done. Resolved.

  684. newrouter says:

    eyewitness to his story

  685. BJTexs says:

    Well done, you psychotic, jingoistic genius!!

  686. bh says:

    Woohoo!

  687. sdferr says:

    Congrats JD, ‘specially if you’ve managed to get it done without bringing up Erdogan’s choice of the Islamists over the West.

  688. Check the signatures. I always sign as Mickey Mouse, it’s never bit me yet.

  689. bh says:

    Heh, sdferr, I was thinking JD should say, “Is this because I’m Armenian?”

  690. JD says:

    I gave them $100 bill somewhere in all that, and told them that was about $500 more than they deserved. But same terms as the original, bh, yes.

  691. sdferr says:

    Oychie bh, that would have been fun to watch.

  692. bh says:

    Glad this worked out, JD. The assholes have been fended off for today at least.

  693. alppuccino says:

    But you crinkled the hundo up and bounced it off his head, of course.

  694. JD says:

    I wish one of you had reminded me of that earlier, because that would have so slipped out. I did mention bazaars and sooqs once.

  695. cranky-d says:

    I’m pretty sure you were being RAAAAACIST in your dealings with this poor, misunderstood man. Why do you hate The Other, JD?

  696. Ernst Schreiber says:

    You’re a steely eyed missle-man, JD.

    So tell us, how does Better Half respond to “I told you so’s”? Or are you the magnanimous in victory type?

  697. happyfeet says:

    hookah time!!

  698. KarlE says:

    This note is to/ for The Lost Dog:
    Could I email you direct? I would love to talk to / email your buddy who is the cartoonist about getting published, or getting syndicated as a cartoonist. Please, if you would, contact me at karl.eggman@gmail.com if you think your friend would share his knowledge of the industry and what it takes to get in the door.

  699. geoffb says:

    Congratulations JD!

  700. sdferr says:

    Ernst, JD has another shin man.

  701. cranky-d says:

    “I told you so” is bad form, sir, and it wastes the power gained. You simply keep it in your quiver and take it out when needed at a future date.

  702. JD says:

    Ernst – I do not know how she would respond. I am too scared of her to find out.

  703. newrouter says:

    allen ackbar

  704. cranky-d says:

    You should be scared of her. With one word, she could have you living in a motel, have more than half of your money, and you would have a hard time seeing your kids.

  705. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I do not know how she would respond. I am too scared of her to find out.

    You’re killing my picture of you as the Walter E. Williams type: “You see? This is why The Man handles all the negotiations. Now, after we get home, I want to make me lunch and then go mow the lawn. When you’re done with that. Take a shower and put on something sexy.

  706. bh says:

    You know, it’s near the end of the month. And you’re on a roll.

    Walk into a car dealership right now.

  707. JD says:

    When I calmed down, relaxed, and accepted the fact that I was under no obligation to sell them my home, it was so much easier. Maybr they could sense that.

  708. Pablo says:

    Thanks for the entertainment, JD. Hilarious stuff.

  709. cranky-d says:

    That was probably the closer, JD. Calm in the face of adversity is scary to your opponent.

  710. Squid says:

    In situations like this, I sometimes come away with lingering doubts from that little voice in my head telling me that I was too hardass about the whole thing. In such cases, I depend on loved ones to remind me that I wasn’t the one who started all this shit, and that we’re really just where we’d have been if they’d acted in good faith in the first place.

    So, in that spirit, I would like you and your lovely bride to bear in mind that this whole shitstorm began when they brought up the TV brackets, and that it was settled when they gave up on the TV brackets. You took advantage of nobody, and it’s never wrong to stand up for yourself.

    I hope you guys enjoy your celebratory meal. I’ll raise a glass to you tonight.

  711. JD says:

    Glad y’all enjoyed it. I aged 10 years in the last 3 days.

    Not all Minnesotans are douchebags. Squid and Cranky would never have done this ;-)

  712. Get back to the house right now and remove all of the toilet seats and showerheads.

  713. And the air filter.

  714. And any white farmers.

  715. JD says:

    Okay, just talked to him in the parking lot. Asked him why he just suddenly conceded. He said he knew when I came back at the lawyer even more forcefully than I had responded to him that I was not going to budge. Plus, his Better Half was pissed at him too. Just like mine with me.

  716. sdferr says:

    Probable more good news from Steve Hayes, at least under a glance back contra the Pew poll heading the thread.

  717. pdbuttons says:

    i live in a parking lot in a cardboard box/why didn’t u stop by?

  718. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Not all Minnesotans are douchebags

    Just enough to keep Minnesota a royal blue shade of purple.

  719. Okay, just talked to him in the parking lot

    riiiight… “talked”… does he need a mint?

  720. Senor Hairshirt says:

    I jus’ wan’ to say, that meester Hay-Dee, he’s my papi.

  721. sdferr says:

    Barry puts on his own pancake.

  722. pdbuttons says:

    i have a summer home/ it’s in that field over there/ come by for lunch
    i’m serving pizza crusts

  723. cranky-d says:

    Not all people who vote Democrat are douchebags. Misguided, yes.

  724. Carin says:

    Get back to the house right now and remove all of the toilet seats and showerheads.

    Ba haa haaa haaa …

    Glad it ended OK, JD. Now go play a round of golf in celebration.

  725. Mike LaRoche says:

    Glad to hear it all worked out, JD.

    As for Shirley the Racist Two-Digit, Andrew Breitbart is going to kick her ass. Discovery is a bitch.

  726. Slartibartfast says:

    my counter was I pay $0 and refrain from kicking them in the teeth and carving my initials in his hairshirt

    That was the funniest thing I’ve read all week, but it was beaten out by a few things further downthread. Probably the comment accompanying the gee-note was worth the paper.

    Guys like that think negotiation is all a game; that you just flat out have to try for everything you’re not entitled to in life just to get some of it.

    Fuck ’em, I say. Way to go, JD. Your better half should be proud of you. If you let someone pry loose several hundred dollars at any and all occasions, just to avoid having to say no multiple times, you’re going to be up to your armpits in water softeners and magazine subscriptions.

    Again: fuck ’em.

    Confession: in my house, my wife is the hardass. She’s the one who shoos the solicitors away, tells the phone solicitors to go away and never come back, and stops me from chatting with the Jehovah Witnesses that come by to ask me if I’m saved. Hell would have to freeze over three times in the same week for someone to call her up and sell her something.

  727. Slartibartfast says:

    C-note, even. I was trying to phrase it in some number of sawbucks, and got lost trying to fit deca- and sawbuck together.

  728. JD says:

    In what is the most ironic part of all of this, Slarti, Better Half is the way you describe yours. I am the pushover usually.

  729. geoffb says:

    The guy probably missed out on a great time. If he hadn’t been the gimmee freebies asshole and had just did the deal, you probably would have sprung for a great lunch somewhere special. You old softy.

  730. newrouter says:

    i’m amazed you were able to deflect all the estrogen in the room that was pulling for consensus

  731. JD says:

    Geoffb – better half and I ate on the gift card to Ruth’s Chris that we had for them.

    Newrouter – I was outnumbered, to be sure. But I am used to having women pissed at me.

  732. Danger says:

    “Plus, his Better Half was pissed at him too. Just like mine with me.”

    Note to self: DO NOT PLAY POKER WITH JD!

    That is all.

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