Of the 18 Democrats who are undecided, Republicans will have to win seven votes to prevail, provided Republicans do in fact have 209 votes now. The Democratic leadership would have to win over 12 undecideds, if in fact Democrats are at 204 now.
[…]
Of course, Republicans can’t do much to win over the undecided Democrats. They have virtually no inside game; they can’t offer lawmakers inducements or threaten to punish them like Speaker Nancy Pelosi can. But the GOP can continue to push home the message that the bill falls short on the issues mentioned above: abortion, cost control, taxes, Medicare, etc. And there are, of course, Republicans who are friends with Democrats and vice versa. While there’s no overt lobbying going on, there are a lot of “What are you hearing?” conversations taking place.
Another thing Republicans are doing is keeping tabs on the pressure groups on the left. In particular, GOP staffers are watching the whip count done at the lefty website Firedoglake. (The most recent count there is 205 yes, 209 no, very close to the GOP tally.) Republicans feel it is accurate, particularly in this sense: They believe that no Democratic lawmaker who is definitely planning to vote yes on the bill would want the activists on the left, in this case exemplified by Firedoglake, to believe he or she is still undecided. Why take a beating for nothing?
“This is a window that we haven’t seen on other votes,” says the GOP source. “It’s not foolproof, but it’s telling, when you understand that from the Democrats’ perspective, this is being driven by the left. They are the only ones who still support the bill.”
And if it passes — and then somehow withstands the legal challenges — it’s game over for this American experiment.
And that’s not hyperbole. What we’ve been witnessing is a kind of ideological coup — decades in the making — that will culminate in a takeover of a vast portion of the US economy. This takeover will lead to a proliferation of government unionized labor, which in turn will lead to a perpetual progressive majority wherein Democrats will be able to redistribute wealth in exchange for votes, essentially trading money for power in the form of legalized theft and bribery.
That’s why a short-term defeat in mid-term elections doesn’t much bother the leftwing ideologues driving this “reform” debacle (to the point where we are all of us now daily counting votes for what we all know to be a cowardly and unconstitutional procedural gambit); because in the long term, the left has set itself up for a checkmate: as the economy moves more and more toward government-run jobs, competition will die out, and the left will have a stranglehold on the means of production. They will control you — in exchange for the promises of cradle-to-grave “protections.”
For those who have read Edward Bellamy’s socialist “utopia” Looking Backward (and its sequel, Equality), the maneuvering is familiar: ultimately, “the nation is the sole employer and capitalist,” having taken over industry on the way to becoming the economy. Or in other words, liberal fascism on the way to socialism.
For the last 8-years or so, I’ve been writing here about how the takeover of language has provided the epistemological cover for the strategies of the left; and now that they are so close to winning the culture wars — the end game being a fatal blow to the horrid notion that all men are created equal and so deserve equality of opportunity, and the freedom to make their own way in the world — they are no longer much concerned with keeping up appearances: this is, we all now know, a bald attempt to overthrow the US government as it was initially envisioned in favor of a soft socialist state, run by an “elite” political class, using nothing more, ultimately, than the weapons a perversion of language and meaning provide. By infiltrating and re-forming our institutions — itself made possible by institutionalizing certain ideas about language that (by way of epistemology) led inevitably to the reinforcement of progressive ideals — the left has been able to invert core classical liberals ideas, to the point where “tolerance” is now synonymous with “giving no offense;” individual identity is only “authentic” once approved by an identity group and its official narrative; and “freedom” is only possible by way of government provision, with Natural Rights shucked off as a quaint byproduct of Enlightenment thinking — the kind of thinking that has been replaced by the postmodern lie that, because we are created and prescribed by language, and because language is man made, truth itself is an invention of mankind, and so has no permanence other than mere consensus.
I hope our grandchildren enjoy potatoes, and don’t mind standing in line for toilet paper.
Because let’s face it: this has been done before. And unless we stand up and so no right now, it’s going to be tried again.
OUTLAW!
Fuckin’ A, brother.
wherein Democrats will be able to redistribute wealth in exchange for votes
HA! Joke’s on them when the economy collapses into a quivering heap and there’s no wealth to distribute. Funny how all their prep work for this moment (incremental introduction of “entitlements” [there’s a linguistic perversion for ya]) is going to undermine it in such short order.
The Soviet Union enjoyed nearly a century of stomping on a human face; these mooks will get less than a decade.
Be sure to stock up on canned peaches and lentils, folkses. Store it alongside them Squid™ torches and pitchforks.
And unless we stand up and say no right now, it’s going to be tried again
Hate to say it, but even if we stop the proggs this time around, we’ll still have to maintain Constant Vigilance in the future. Those Who Would Rule Over Others are never in short supply.
You can never sweep the kitchen floor so well that it never needs sweeping again, and you can never defeat tyranny so thoroughly that its fell spectre never shows reappears.
Humanity’s historical dementia.
You’re right Jeff; they’re not even trying to hide their contempt for, and blatant circumvention of, the US Constitution. And we have arrived at this point because of a combination of causes such as apathy about public school replacement of education with indoctrination, the mainstreaming of the welfare state, the hijacking of the intent of our founders writings and our governments seminal documents, and by the actual tolerance by most of us, in the traditional American fashion, of the opinions of those who would destroy our traditional way of life.
God forbid if this thing passes; O! is lying his best to bring it to pass, and Pelosi is buying off or whipping the politburo as best she can-let’s hope and pray it’s not good enough.
Or that if it dies pass that the supreme court will nullify it via it’s unconstitutional process…
Still, folks need to keep the heat up on their Representatives and Senators not to pass this; especially in light of the manner in which it’s being done.
It’s more than that, though, Bob. Like the Slaughter Solution, this vote is two things at once: passing it not only passes health care “reform” and fundamentally changes the economic structure of this country; but passing this IS the culmination of that change, in that it is self-reinforcing.
In better days, a post like this would spark conversation and even controversy. These days, though, I find myself mostly ignored by both sides. I do an awful lot of shouting into the abyss it seems.
So it goes. So it goes.
Obama’s historic health overhaul legislation would cut 130 billion dollars from the US budget deficit through 2019, according to figures provided by the independent Congressional Budget Office (CBO). The CBO found that the plan would extend health coverage to some 32 million Americans who currently lack it.
Then they’ll just distribute debt.
Obama: “Here, if you vote the way I want, I’ll give you this chit that says in 30 years you have to pay the People’s Republic of China everything you’ve earned over the last 50 years, plus your firstborn son.”
Rube: “WE LOVE YOU BARCKY!”
That “Joe” above is not me. I hate Obamacare and absolutely oppose it. I think it may be “Evil Joe” unless he is just referencing the CBO figures to show how insane they are.
The clue that it is Evil Joe is the use of the word historic.
Jeff, I’m actually at a loss as to what to say about this anymore. The smallest criticism of Obama or HRC and you get labeled (basically) an “anti-communist.” That you have some sort of disease in that you see socialism everywhere. It shuts down the conversation; it’s a neat little rhetorical trick.
The close up and shut you out before you can even explain to them that our liberties are being eroded.
I don’t even know what else to do or say.
I’m having a moment.
Jeff, I pay attention to what you say. A lot of us here also pay attention. And don’t sell yourself short, I have a feeling other conservative bloggers and even a certain ADA do too, if only to steal from you.
If that really is a “joe” – his comment is just too stupid to warrant a response.
And, honestly don’t understand why people are arguing about Palin and/or abortion when THAT IS THE LEAST FUCKING THING IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW.
I feel just a tiny bit better.
The not-joe above is a fucking mental midget. The CBO analysis is premised on bullshit assumptions. Garbage in garbage out.
Great post, Jeff.
Jeff,
Have you e-mailed the usual suspects, like Reynolds, Ace, Cap’n Ed and such? Maybe they’re all so busy scrambling for info that they haven’t checked PW out.
Carin, please don’t group us all together. I can’t help that Biden or that joker at #7 use a most excellent name. I think #7 may not be a real “Joe” but a sock puppet out to stir up some mischief.
Well, that’s kinda what I was saying. I don’t want to bother debating someone who isn’t being straight.
My New Years Resolution to be nice to Joe only extends to the actual Joe. The cowardly fucking lying poofter above does not warrant niceness.
Any cook should be able to run the country. A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency. The government is tottering. We must deal it the death blow an any cost. To delay action is the same as death. We have to take the commanding heights of the economy.
Ok, Rush is making me feel a tad better.
Thanks JD and thanks Carin, or can I say Carrin.
“extend health coverage to some 32 million Americans who currently lack it.”
Even if they don’t want to pay for it.
I also go by Car in on some blogs.
just sayin.
The Great Jeff G is effin’ back!
Well,
We are in a lot of trouble.
This is a really big shame. It never,ever needed to happen.
We would not have had this political science professor of a POTUS without GOP corruption and incompetence from 2001-2009.
Maybe the people will win and a lesson learned and unicorn’s fly….
The good news on health care reform
Call yourself not-Joe, or evil-Joe, or better yet “useful idiot Joe” and go peddle your Obamacare snake oil to people who care.
Of course if Obamacare passes, medical care will be snake oil.
Forgive the scripture, but the apocalypse (lower-case “a”) is near, so a bit of ancient wisdom can’t hurt:
Thus has it ever been. Prosperity has the same effect on our souls as null gravity on the body: loss of mass, weakness, debility.
Buckle up folks, and prepare for reentry. Lots of heat, and a helluvuan impact.
Despite his past embrace of Huckabee, Chuck Norris gets it.
Joe,
As a lifelong Democrat, I’m concerned by your obvious idiocy. You’re not helping us pally. The posters here know bullshit when they smell it. The CBO numbers are for crap. It’s not their fault, mind you, but our leadership is clearly trying to ram one up the voter’s asses.
What’s needed is not mindless parroting of bogus projections, but a rational explanation of how the numbers work.
Again, your obvious stupidity is killing us. Go post at Huffpo where you won’t be noticed.
For the evil Joe:
From Peter Ferrara, Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy at the Institute of Policy Innovation. Now, attack the author, because that’s what idiots such as yourself are wont to do, but read it again and again and then tell us why the CBO, independent or not, should be take seriously.
Great post, JG. And this
…isn’t just our sorry future. It’s how we got to where we are already.
Yea, the CBO sucks, except when cited by Republicans
Sure as I know anything, I know this: they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten, they’ll swing back to the belief that they can make people … better. And I do not hold to that.
So no more running. I aim to misbehave.
Good Joe, may I suggest you adopt — if only temporarily — a different moniker, such as “Good Joe.”
‘Cause Idiot Joe is getting himself TrollHammered.
I fought for this.
Good God, I wish I had not given up alcohol for Lent.
I guess I have to go write my miserable Congressman and tell him that I will enter politics to do nuaght else but see him unseated should he vote for this… he’s a “D” in Dennis Hastert’s old district. I have a small amount of hope he may wish to retain his current position and might listen to some large number of us constituents.
You know, this all sure looked better from thousands of miles away, when all I had to worry about was being blowed up real good by the HIG, JAM, AQ or Talib…
“What’s needed is not mindless parroting of bogus projections, but a rational explanation of how the numbers work.”
Numbers are worth a lot.
McGee, will do. I am not sure who this “useful idiot Joe” is, but I suspect it is RD.
How is it that every bill that comes up lately seems to be so crucial? Every bill seems to try and close the door on individual liberty and personal responsibility. Did I miss the memo from the progdems that said “Alright! From now on, balls to the wall every time!” WTF has happened?
The soapbox users get called racist, the ballot box users get called racist, and the cartridge box users get called racist. I’m wondering if the meaning of racist has changed? Did I miss another memo?
You may not get Instalanche’s anymore Jeff, but I share your articles with my friends and they get posted on facebook too. you have an audience that reads you, just not the crazy blog money (as Ace calls it).
Italiacto
Let me try this Close darn you!
Nope, the italics….they still rule.
Uh-oh, JOM disease has got loose over here.
What we need is Gandalf standing on the bridge declaring “This Shall Not Pass!”
“Yea, the CBO sucks, except when cited by Republicans”
Except that is not what is being said. Basically what Peter Ferrara said was garbage in garbage out. The dems have structured the numbers in a way that the CBO will calculate lower deficit numbers. However, the truth is that Obama’s power grab will bankrupt the country.
If you vote to change something then, obviously, the thing must already exist. Ergo, voting to amend health care legislation means that — presto — it must already be law.
Does this remind anyone else of Anselm’s ontological argument?
Barrak Obama voter : “We’re here for the money”.
Interviewer : “what money?”
Barrak Obama voter : “Obama money”
Interviewer: “And where does that money come from?”
Barrak Obama voter : /looking confused “From Obama! That’s why we love him!”
Don’t stress out, only 46% of doctors and nurses say they’ll quit and do something else. So we’ll still have that 54% of happy nonstressed satisfied doctors to treat all these additional people. I fail to see the problem…
Means, ends, costs.
Means. Tyrannical.
Ends. Tyranny.
Costs. Liberty. Freedom.
So what’s not to like?
LTC John @ 37:
The best thing that could happen to this country is for ME vets to come home and run for political office; let’s try putting people in charge who actually know how to solve problems!
And I still have Hope (granted, not much): When a state like NJ can kick out their over-aged hippie Governor and replace him with a Mafioso who promptly goes and tells the “public servants” just how it’s going to be (as in, no more free lunch); and then Da Pipple rise up in an effort to throw out one of their Senators (!!); then maybe, just maybe, there’s still some Change to be made….
Yes, it’s a bit like putting Decartes before the hoarse.
I’m not really worried about the future of our nation; it’s the near-future of our nation that worries me.
Slart, you’re damn lucky we’ve used up all the tar and feathers on Congress already…
Obama’s plan is to force insurance companies to give standardized coverage for set preimums and when most of them either withdraw from the market or go under, then force the public option on us all then.
Do you ever go to Canada and actually see what prices they charge in the stores and supermarkets? That is our future, but without the VAT refund at the border. And remember, that burden up north is without any military spending.
We are so fucked if this mess passes.
I reckon there’s plenty room aboard Cap’n Mal’s boat should we need to evacuate.
If only…
The small amount of good news is Obama cancelled a trip which suggests he does not have the votes (at least as of now and he worried he has to stick around to try to get them). That is bad news in he is making an effort to do that, but at least he is not there yet.
I don’t have anything to say that hasn’t been said-this thing has been hashed and rehashed by people much more well-equipped to dissect it (mixed metaphor much?). But I will say that the thing that gripes my ass the most, I think, is that it is a scheme carried out by people largely immune from its effects.
And dicentra, loved your post at 29. Remember, it ain’t the fall that kills you, its hitting the ground.
If it passes then all that the dirty socialists will have to run on for a good while is the preservation of it. All while our little country sinks deeper into the obamanomic muck.
I think the ideological coup is a ruse. The goal is the alienation of our little country from her people’s affections.
I reckon there’s plenty room aboard Cap’n Mal’s boat should we need to evacuate.
I got my own. If I have to live in a third-world shithole, it’s damn well gonna have better weather than MN. I hear Grenada is nice…
st, I think, is that it is a scheme carried out by people largely immune from its effects.
Should this piece of shit pass, I’m thinking there will be whole lot of really pissed off people who are not going “get over it” and forget about the backroom deals, and scheming, and bending of the Constitution.
They think the teabaggers are “angry”? They haven’t seen anger.
Apropos of which, a Powerline post of the Dems owning failure in detail.
I suggest y’all all move to Texas immediately.
Just use the words of Congressman David Crockett: You can all go to Hell, I’m going to Texas.
‘Course, it didn’t work out that well for Davy, but he led and fought bravely in one of the battles that defines Texans. Plus, that devastating hold out let Sam and his boys do the rest later in the defining battle. Siesta my ass.
Up yours Santa Anna.
We got it pretty squared away (which is why businesses and families are flocking here). Low taxes (no state tax)/ regulations, state stays out of your business for the most part, can’t stand Washington, hold our elected accountable (got work to do there at the city and county level), armed neighbors make good fences, etc. Southern border is a bit squishy, but we’re working on that. And, yes, there’s a shitload of progressive hippies in (and pretty much only in) Austin. But they’re our hippies. And they’re Texans. They’re all for the “cause” until you tell them Obamacare means they’re subsidizing the “Establishment” and smokes will now be $10 dollars a pack, at which point they freak out, and agree to pick up a rifle and stand a post. So to speak.
If the Tea Party truly stands for fiscal conservationism, strong foreign policy, hawkish national security, and predominantly libertarian -keep the fucking state away from my land, my life, and my families’ lives -domestic/ social policy (which is why I think it attracts so many independents), then Texas is party central.
Come on down.
We have horses and everything.
This is a great reference for finding the skinny on your critters.
http://congressmerge.com/
They passed the Slaughter Rule, which means they really do not give a shit.
This is bad.
That was me, Good Joe immediately above.
LYBD, it’s funny as hell. As I’ve been thinking these last couple days about the desecration of this once great country, my thoughts have led me to Texas and our conversation of a few months ago in this very place. I told you. My girls…they love them some horses. It’s getting closer…
“They passed the Slaughter Rule…” is not a little indistinct Joe.
What they passed was on the question “whether the Slaughter Rule could be used” as a tactic (which is alarming in itself, as you say), as opposed to passing the Slaughter Rule itself, which, if it will be done, will be done later in the weekend or after.
In any case, clarity in these matters counts, I think.
That’s my understanding, sdferr, that they didn’t pass a Republican motion to rule it out beforehand.
On that motion.
Daily Caller on same.
Jim Matheson (D-UT), the stiff whose brother magically got a judgeship, thinks the Slaughter (rule) is just dandy.
I guess I’ll be camping out at his local office this weekend.
“HE TOOK THE BRIBE” should be make an nice, big sign.
When the going gets stupid, the stupid get going.
We know that these sick twisted freaks (apologies to Glenn Beck) will keep going and going and going until they wear down or bribe or threaten enough people to pass the thing.
By hook or by crook.
Who is number 1? You are number 2.
I am not a number! I am a free man!
OI, I remember that back and forth. When the fight comes, and it’s coming (and no, I’m not talking squid’s trade marked torches and pitchforks just yet), Texas would be a good place to have those girls.
Don’t know your trade, but, if you ever pull the trigger, I’d suggest the hill country.
Take the wife and girls down when the bluebonnets are up and about. That’ll help close the sale.
Thank you for the clarity. You are correct.
Actually the “Slaughter rule” is only passed by the Rules committee. It then decrees that passing the Reconciliation Bill “deems” the Senate Healthcare Bill to have been passed. All the House will vote on is the Reconciliation Bill.
All else is done behind the scene, closed door, non-smoke filled rooms style. Tyranny, it’s what’s in the air they breathe.
They seem to have no fear of us, geoffb, but are quite confident in their will to power. What fear? To pick up from the other place, Hobbes’ De Cive, Ch.1, III:
Doc Coburn is conducting radical surgery.
Jeff,
Don’t go wobbly on us, as Sammy would say “you just do what you do babe”.
Besides, Where ya gonna run; Where ya gonna hide?
Not feeling it yet?
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When you people get done with those get your little fingers clicking on your keyboards, your phones, your faxes and your dadgum PDA’s. You tell those bastards that it’s zero hour and we’re fixin to drop some warheads on foreheads!
A few things mulled over.
Transcript of the Sen. Coburn link.
From a couple articles that are about some other attempts to sell Federal jobs.
Tyranny, it’s what’s in the air they breathe.
Then, I suggest we become practiced in this.
And be willing to demand this when called for.
When the Great Relocation comes, I’d be willing to throw over Houston and move to Tulsa, if only so that I could vote for Coburn.
this is the grimmest it’s ever been my whole life, how so much is hanging in the balance…
I think it’s not unlikely that this vote will determine where I’m living five years from now…
I can’t think of any bills what have ever been so impactual on my head.
Except maybe when these same assholes banned ephedrine.
God I hate them.
oh. I just saw what Squid said… I didn’t know it had gotten to the Great Relocation stage.
Grim.
I’ve only been to Texas a couple times but I’m pretty sure they have the best looking women in the country.
Those Beach Boys sure screwed up that one song.
Hell ‘feets, here I have to sign paperwork that goes to the State Police just to be allowed to buy the faux version of ephedrine.
This was the greatest gum ever made.
Wish I had stocked up.
wow… I found some on Amazon a couple years ago – they can still sell it if they sell it as asthma medicine – but I had no idea what the dosage was to take and I couldn’t find a label online of the old Diet Fuel ones I used to take… so I gave up…
That gum looks awesome – I never tried the gum.
Someday maybe we’ll be able to get it from China.
It really was awesome, ‘feets.
But some super fat offensive linemen have heart attacks in the August sun when they’re dehydrated and no more awesome gum for us.
What a joke. So the weak thing that’s like strong coffee is impossible to get while I could probably get my hands on some crystal meth in about an hour. Genius!
Well, Danger, I’m planning on hitting the range this weekend. I figure we’re getting down to the cartridge box Real Soon Now.
Grim huh? Shit, this isn’t grim. Life for Christian Nigerians at the ground interface with Moslem Nigerians is grim.
Here, it’s “don’t talk about violence” Glenn Beck is saying and certainly don’t commit any violence. There’s no need for that.
Jesu Christu what a pussified place we’ve come to.
There simply is no line drawn we won’t concede the left in order to “keep the peace” as if merely keeping the peace while the boot rests on your neck were ever the point. We will all stand and watch as the Congress passes a law it never votes on, won’t we?
All this talk of tar and feathers and pitchforks and cudgels is nothing but talk. It isn’t tar and feathers. It isn’t pitchforks and cudgels. And as such, it is risible; it could hardly be better designed to put the tyrant at his ease.
Oh, we’ll threaten to vote the tyrant out of office, just as we’ve done these last six decades. How very scary. Or not, where nasty pieces of work like Nancy Pelosi, having purchased them, know full well her people wouldn’t dare.
Especially the gay christian nigerians.
But I agree there should be violence in the offing.
But inciting political violence feels so awkward. Like you’re really kind of putting yourself out there.
And also Major John hates that kind of talk.
bh, you can go ahead and move the meter from “pretty sure” to “damn straight”.
Also, ‘feets either gets frequent severe chest colds, can’t stay awake at work, likes to actually “feel his hair grow”, or that law shut down his meth lab.
State Po-Po paperwork aside, you’re getting the side eye too geoffb.
I’ve seen Breaking Bad.
Welcome to the party, kids. There’s going to be lots of fireworks! Stay safe, have fun and enjoy yourselves!
(Hindsight bias is kinda cool, ain’t it, Jeff?)
The early archetypes of a Boston Massacre moment appeared on at least three occasions last year. (Cops/National Guard on one side and armed citizens on the other.)
We’ve also had two early examples of a John Brown archetype show up in recent months. (Bedell and Stack.)
(Yes, my timing was off, but the ‘prediction’ remains on the table and maintains historically accuracy.)
days with ephedrine are just better than the other days, Lamont…
If anything ever called for the reassuring embrace of ephedrine it’s an early archetype of a Boston Massacre moment I think.
#94&95
“I can smell something cookin, I can tell there’s going to be a feast.”
Also
“The bitch is in heat again.”
Ain’t a matter of if, just a matter of when.
I think the Great Relocation talk feels very, very true. I haven’t heard any statistics lately of states losing and gaining… I wonder where we are with that.
I got my own. If I have to live in a third-world shithole, it’s damn well gonna have better weather than MN.
I would either return to Colombia and look up old friends or I’d hole up in my mom’s house in Idaho. However, if things get really bad, she’ll lose all her money too, and then I don’t know what.
I vote mom. And stock up on microwave popcorns.
I wonder how long Netflix will keep going?
Here, it’s “don’t talk about violence” Glenn Beck is saying and certainly don’t commit any violence. … There simply is no line drawn we won’t concede the left in order to “keep the peace” as if merely keeping the peace while the boot rests on your neck were ever the point.
1. The boot isn’t on the neck yet. We don’t wait until it is, though, we just wait until the shoving starts.
2. If it come to violence, it has to be because They Shot First. And no revisions showing Greedo’s paw under the table.
3. Glenn Beck makes the very valid point that there’s no way to recreate the American Revolution this time around because it’s not a matter of severing an umbilicus and then proceeding from there on your very own tabula rasa, unmolested.
This time it’s the court of Louis XVI and the nobility who live among us, whose flagrant usurpation of power that belongs to us stirs us to rebel.
A purge must happen, but the French went about it the wrong way, and the Terror led to Napoleon.
I know most of us are itching to settle the score right now and quit pussy-footing around on the Left’s terms. I know that most of us would consider it an honor to die to restore the Republic.
But you might not be the one who dies: it might be your toddler or your neighbor’s teenager or someone else’s grandmother. Your children might lose one or both parents. Or worse, thousands may die or near to it when the lines of commerce are disrupted and the food aisles clear in mere hours and the pharmacies are looted.
We still have procedure on our side. We still have lawsuits to bludgeon these SOBs with. We still need time to prepare for when the economy collapses under its own weight.
Pray for time. Pray for lots of time, and in the meantime, man the lifeboats.
Head for the mountains. I hear that there is a secret valley in Colorado where you can find sanctuary. I am not sure who runs it, but it is probably the Coors family.
Di, re your #2? Will you marry me?
oops, 29. sorry cats in my lap and itd a bitch to type.
Fuck yourself, Warren.
There isn’t going to be any shoving; after all, that’s what I’m trying to point out. As to whether the tyrant’s boot is on your neck already or not, acquiesce again to his demands and you still won’t find it. It’s only a velvet rope and acceding is so pleasant.
#93
I think you’re right; we’re all thinking that maybe this is going to turn out better than we think somehow.
But it isn’t: it’s going to get much worse. It’s like being hijacked in a plane by crazed killers. You see it happening before your eyes, but it isn’t real.
Di? the shoving has alredy started (SEIU/Gladney) Do we have to wait until the riots start? Because then? I start shooting.
Not too worried about the food thingy, already grow my own and have family down south that would take us in come to that. The rest? Meh…NO court is going to overturn anything a progresive does, ‘cus they’ve all become progressive!!…
So, we can’t trust the government, we can’t trust the courts, FUCK the politicians.
Comes down to GOD,GUTS and GLORY
#100
I read on the intertubes recently that 5000 folks is leaving Cali every day. Ship. Sinking. Rats.
“If it come to violence, it has to be because They Shot First.”
Yeah, we certainly wouldn’t want people to get worked up over some mere procedural injustice! Lawzy me, that would just be barbaric.
Unfortunately Rusty? they’re going to other states and infecting them with a new disease. Californic plague.
It causes all manner of infections, including the dreaded “liberal” disease, where the populace loses their minds an raises taxes.
Hmmm SD? Isn’t that kinda like a thingy they don’t hardly teach anymore? I barely remember it, but it had sumpthin’ to do with the only successful revolution in history? Damned if I remember the Country though…..
Ahem?
“But it isn’t: it’s going to get much worse. It’s like being hijacked in a plane by crazed killers. You see it happening before your eyes, but it isn’t real.”
Exactly right. Very few see it as it’s going on, and when the plane hits the building, they’d never conside that if they just fought back…
WE see it, but the general public? Hell, 35-40 percent are fucking ROOTING for it!!!
I don’t see how sdferr is saying anything false here. If one side is ruthless and the other side is timid, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out who will prevail.
What I wonder is, what are the asymmetric things we can do to throw a wrench into the gears? If you were in the French resistance you achieved much more by tearing up train tracks and cutting wires than picking up a gun.
Likewise, I wonder, because I honestly don’t know, are their historical parallels we can learn from? Are there any South American countries that went from banana republics to functional democracies? If so, how did they do it?
with banana republics come banana spiders (@ 1:44)
Not sure if this has been posted or not.
AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE TO H.R. 4872, AS REPORTED PDF file of House reconciliation bill.
Suppose for a moment that the current Bill under consideration, the Senate passed Health Care Insurance Bill that is, whatever may be the procedural form in which it is voted on (or not voted on while being voted on), suppose that this monstrosity goes down to defeat this next week, if not as early as this weekend.
Is it possible to consider whether the country is governed by just men and women, the President among them, who having brought us to this pass will still sit in the seats of power and influence in the Capital city?
As to the barbarian’s reaction to injustice on the part of the authority, committed on the weasel and cheat — responded to in equal measure, direct and square, look no further than Billy Budd.
Hung from the yardarm for his crime, Billy, who’d been impressed into service from the merchantship Rights-of-Man, becomes the revered martyr of the still impotent murmuring seaman on the warship Indomitable.
Well bh? first off, I’m kinda sure SD wouldn’t say anything false, but if he were to, he would correct it almost immediately and it was probably a typo.
There ARE no assymetric things we can do beyond voting. Voting USED to be the way we spoke to our government, but it no longer works. WE are no longer a representative Republic, we are now a banana republic. When the congress can do something like this against our will? It’s time to remember the 2nd amendment.
As far as SA goes? see Chile. I honestly don’t remember the democrats objections to (Pinochet ?)I was too young. But they are now rising in something or other through the UN (like freedom and civil rights)
Happy!!! Cool link. I love spiders, insects, bats and what have you, so TY!!!
Theremins make for spooky spiders they do.
SD? I know nothing of Billy Budd, what i do know is that NO they (most of them) will not. However, that will NOT stop the Socialist in Chief.
Therefore, I prefer weaponry.
No, but it would then be possible to believe, that there is still some slight semblance of thought in their minds, and that there is a Rubicon they all will not yet cross. For what reason[s] I do not know.
Here youse go Blitz.
To be sure, Billy’s action was a terrible breach of naval decorum. But in that decorum he had never been instructed
Same as me!! Shit, decoruum to me might as well be decorating the living room.
Thanks SD!! Looks good, have saved it. I think the writer was gay though, as he has all sorts of Billy Budd worship going on in chapter 1.
Melville wrote that? Why have I never seen it? I mean, I’ve heard of it, but wow. OK, a product of public schools here, but DAMN.
There’s a wide margin between manning the barricades and rolling over. We’re already seeing a lot of players leaving the game, because they’ve realized that Washington’s got it rigged so they can’t win. Unemployment will remain in double digits because nobody’s gonna create any real jobs in this environment.
At the same time, there are a handful of states that haven’t completely lost it. Imagine for a moment that in 2013, Texas announces that the drinking age will be 18, in honor of the brave servicemen coming home from SW Asia (local watering holes introduce a new cocktail called the ‘daisy cutter’ that can level a room full of drunks).
Washington says, “You can’t do that; we’ll take away your highway funds.”
Texas says, “Fuck you; we won’t send any gas taxes to Washington in the first place. We’ll keep our own damn money and maintain our own damn roads. Sheeit, you’ve already made the ‘American Dollar’ damn near worthless, anyway.”
Washington huffs, “You can’t do that.”
Texas says, “Watch us. Oh, and PS, we think we’ll run our own damn health system, too.”
Washington says, “You have to participate. We’ll make you.”
Texas says, “Is that right? You and whose army?”
Anyone really think the Commander-in-Chief is gonna start a war with Texas? Him and whose army? Besides, that fucker can’t even stand up to Detroit.
Not one shot need be fired in anger.
That should say 2012. Gonna be a different CinC in 2013.
Squid? Texas can do that, it’s in their Constitution and in some other damned agreemen I can’t remember as I type this. No other state can.
You know things are getting weird when Jane Hamsher is fascinating reading.
The fact that so many states are already lining up against this is inspiring.
Hmmm…US military vs. Texas. I’m guessing that after the 99% desertion rate, the 1005 officer regnation rate? shoot, we don’t stand a chance.
Damned Oklahomans though, they can be stubborn!!!
Pablo, unfortunately? the states cannot fight this even in court. There is something about federal supremacy that I’ve read abot? useless.
oops….100% officer resignation
Thanks for that link at #118, Geoff.
Seconding bh geoffb, belatedly… let me plead the distraction of the Caps game as my excuse, in the which, the Caps being down 3-2 to the Hurricanes, have just re-tied with 9.5 secs remaining and go now to OT.
Fie, down 4-3.
Now Pablo’s link at 131 has my head spinning.
Jane Hamsher sells ads on her site for like 4K a week and is interviewed by the WSJ. I have a single ad for online poker — roughly $50 monthly — and can’t even get linked by Hot Air anymore.
Not saying that means anything. Just saying.
I’d say it means the blogosphere went full-on retard at some point.
The exact date? Not sure. But, it happened.
Hamsher writes, Jeff. She’s keeping herself relevant, albeit in a moonbat sort of way.
They’re corporate now Jeff, RINO inc…
They’re not about classical liberalism, or founding principles; but only about the game…
Thay’re about hatin’ players, but lovin’ the cha-ching that comes with the game…
Aim higher.
And chintz.
Years ago I said it when you asked us, Jeff.
Chintz.
If we step into the way back machine, I remember this huge blog (protein wisdom) linking me a few times because you thought I was occasionally funny. You quadrupled my traffic and got nothing in return.
That kinda thing is a bit more rare nowadays. Link HotAir so HotAir will link you. Repeat until your posts start to develop hemophilia and play the bango.
I remember when the big left-wing sites realized they no longer had to deal with any of my posts or arguments. It was about the same time they realized that the right wasn’t going to push those arguments, anyway — and so all they had to deal with were the Hugh Hewitts of the world.
So it goes. And yes, I’m a little bitter about it.
Well I’ve had two major breakdowns at work. One’s fixed and the other I’ll get torn down but the boss is going to have to order some expensive parts to fix it unless we have some squirreled away somewhere. That’s my excuse. Rather be watching the game.
What does that mean, Pablo? I’m pretty sure I’ve written. What’s it gotten me is blackballed.
I think what you mean is link. That’s different than writing. That’s networking.
I mean, some of you have been around quite a while. This site used to engage with the Greenwalds, the Hamshers, the Atrioses, the Marcottes, etc., of the world, and I believe fared quite well in those exchanges.
Now? An occasional link from Stacy McCain.
No, I’m talking about economic viability here and now. Yes, you have written, and when you did you were sort of a rockstar. Back when Blogads returned your emails.
Lately, not so much. You can’t be a playa if you ain’t in the game. Whether you want to do that is a secondary question, but Puxatawney Jeff ain’t gonna make money to speak of, is all.
Make money blogging, that is.
Regular-as-Rain Jeff didn’t make squat, either. And let’s face it: I was never really a player on the right.
Incidentally — and speaking of economic viability — Blogads still won’t return my emails.
I’m just getting myself more depressed.
I think I’ll watch TV and wait for Salem to call. Or maybe Steve Green needs a secretary.
Your problem was that you argued with them, Jeff. I mean, really argued, with logic and evidence and the occasional mushroom bruise. What the participants on either side really want is shadow boxing, and you keep insisting on fighting for realsies.
I engage with you because I want to stretch my understanding of things. If I didn’t have that motivation, I’d run away screaming, too.
Jeff,
Without being critical or faux-wizened.
The internet has changed. Part of it is the cess-pool effect, as you often mention. But, another major component is that there are more “regular folks” reading it then in the days when you began this blog, and a large percentage of the traffic was thoughtful, contemplative, individuals.
It may be that a lot of regular folks can’t dig what you are layhing down. To them, it’s too abstract. They want to hear scandal and OUTRAGE! and see bulls-eyes drawn on their enemies; to have talking points to repeat at the water cooler-not necessarily engage in any actual dialogue or discussion. And some of the gems of wisdom that you provide here at PW would be met by blank stares at most water coolers…
I’m not saying people are stupid, heck I’m not as well read as many here; I’m a literary-challenged, archtypal absent-minded professor, engineer type. But the fact is that half the public was apathetic at the time of the Declaration of Independance, and the engaged half was split between tories and what we now call patriots.
Half the public still doesn’t care. They’d rather see Jesse James-Sandra Bullock drama at TMZ, talk about the lame-assed academy awards, or have something salacious to say about Pelosi/Obama/Reid/Boooooooosh!, although the last name is fading from the zeitgeist. It’s unfortunate, but many neither know or care about the philosophical underpinnings of our Republic, and therefore can’t see what’s wrong with the progressive agenda. They can’t even dig on the hi-jacking of meaning and intent…
I’m not saying this in an elitist fashion; it’s just an observation. They really think that all Clinton did wrong was to schtupp Lewinski; they don’t understand that implications of an officer of the court willfully committing perjury. It’s not stupidity, it’s the apathy of low information voters and those that don’t take part in our representative democracy.
Lack of personal responsibility, when you come right down to it.
OK, enough already. I just want to say it’s not your product, it’s the predominant taste of the ever burgeoning onternet public. They’ve gone from being an academic TV channel to MTV!
Now maybe if you included examples drawn from people in the zeitgeist, so water-cooler chatter could ensue, maybe. But you’d have to be more partisan in that case. And, Squid has a good point about you punching back too hard!
Bob is onto something there. The reading pool has definitely broadened.
A mile wide and an inch deep, bh; kind of the opposite of what it had been in the past…
The internet has almost become all b/chan all the time…
Natural Rights??? Dude, WTF!
TITS! or GTFO!1!!1!
I somewhat agree with Pablo. I also agree that the internet has become a commercial medium. Times are different. People don’t have the luxury of considering linguistic forensics or the nuances of social techtonics. People are pissed, poor, and live in the immediate moment. I think of a school of fish. Anymore, you have to profit with a net or a grappling hook, and not a comfy salon.
Heh, that’s about the shape of it, Bob.
When you can kill people with your brain, the survivors tend to shy away.
Me, I think they should be hunted down, dragged into a white, windowless utility van and taken to some abandoned warehouse somewhere and made to envy the dead.
But I may be embittered a little.
How ironic. The survivors tend to shy away. Any wonder?
It’s like people don’t believe in revenge anymore. What is this world coming to?
It’s also like they’re confused on how to use ironic in a sentence.
The world is coming to its usual reward for the rich and the dunking of the poor.
McGee: I never said people don’t want revenge. In fact, I would posit that that colors all our debates.
What’s the little president man seeking vengeance for exactly? He got to go to Harvard and all.
Di, re your #2? Will you marry me?
oops, 29. Sorry, cat’s in my lap and it’s a bitch to type.
1. I thought my #2 was pretty good, actually.
2. Don’t you know that the cat is helping?
3. I can’t accept unless you get baptized a Mormon and live faithful for a year so we can get hitched in a temple. Sorry, but those are my terms.
4. And food storage. Gotta bring lots of food storage as a dowry.
You know, happyfeet, I haven’t been here in a while, but you seem oddly fixated on the president. I get that you don’t like him. But at some point it’s the Secret Service, if you dig.
This has become a strange place.
There ARE no asymmetric things we can do beyond voting.
Oh COME now! There must be LOADS of creative means of Civil Disobedience and sabotage and resistance and subterfuge that we can resort to.
What would Capt Mal say? I mean, sure, he’ll kick you into his engine quick as anything if he realizes that’s his best option, but he also aimed to misbehave in all KINDS of clever ways.
Guns? If we have to, we have to. But we can do more things outside the law yet inside morality. And that interests me more than violence at this point.
Regular-as-Rain Jeff didn’t make squat, either. And let’s face it: I was never really a player on the right.
I waded through your archives not too long ago and you WERE a playa. Big time.
But the reason That One Guy has “won” is that he kept writing and posting as if nothing had ever happened, keeping to his day gig and getting the traffic.
What’s it gotten me is blackballed.
I still don’t know how much of that is your perception and how much is actually true. I’m guessing a 10/90 ratio at best. You keep dropping out. That gets you forgotten more than blackballed.
Surely you can think of clevar ways to be subversive and OUTLAW and junk. Be our Capt Mal or summat. We’re game.
Dibs on being Zoe!
Consistency is key.
However wide the margin between revolt and surrender Squid, what I don’t see is where the consequent images you draw land us back in the scheme of the Federalist, say (though none of that is your doing, to be sure). Lincoln’s insistence on Union doesn’t seem to have done.
I don’t even think you are wrong about the possible eventualities; States, individually and possibly in competition with one another may in fact see their interests as necessarily moving them to part from the Federal government, one by one as cases arise, or even possibly in allied groups as local interests may cohere.
But will other States not so moved stand still where they may see their interests as contrary to those of States intent on departing from the norm? Will these States, in concert with the remaining rump Federal government, not be inclined to act? I cannot tell. It isn’t likely to be a peaceful affair though; there at least, I think we mayn’t be so sanguine.
civil war!
Is that seditious?
Squid has a good point about you punching back too hard!
I don’t agree. Jeff only punches back hard when he is dealing with an obvious douchebag, such as Thersites or SEK. When he takes on those of the starboard side, he stays objective and clinical in his discourse, not recurring to insults unless his interlocutor start playing dirty pool. IYKWIMAITYD.
The fact that Jeff can destroy bad arguments made by our side is not a bad thing. The fact that people don’t like being shown up is the problem.
How hard is it to concede that you’re not an expert on linguistic theory, defer to Jeff’s expertise, and move on? It’s not as if Jeff were trying to make people look bad by comparison. Cripes, if That One Guy were to correct Jeff on a point of law, would Jeff take it as a personal attack and seek revenge?
No, and neither would anyone halfway sane.
Write a lot or don’t write at all; there is no resting on laurels.
Are demands for justice unmet yet made repeatedly seditious?
I don’t think so. It’s surreal how bad this all is but nobody I see all day has any idea.
It isn’t likely to be a peaceful affair though; there at least, I think we mayn’t be so sanguine.
Things could get ugly very quickly, yes. However, insisting on non-violence is not the same as giving in. Resistance is NOT futile, there are still many ways to cast off the yoke, and withdrawal from the Federal teat is an excellent way to stop the madness.
Will all states opt to withdraw? Nope: the blue states will prolly want to stay dependent on their Pusher, whereas Red states may muster the strength to Just Say No.
Western Time Zone peeps, plus Texas and a strip leading to San Diego. That’s all we need. Anyone doesn’t want to go along can jolly well leave, and the rest will flow toward the Last Bastion in droves.
They can’t stop us: we’ve got the guns, the military training, the militias (hee!), and the will to survive. Junkies don’t fight back, they just secure the next fix and zone out in the gutter.
you mean has any idea that things are bad or has any idea how to make it better?
I’m in the let Jeff be Jeff camp what just likes posts. Also I want to see new commenters. Mr. W was a good catch I think.
I googled “health,” clicked on the definition link, and was lucky enough to be directed to this usage troika:
Usage examples
He warned that “if we stay riveted on this health care debate and don’t get out of it at all, we’ve actually created a kind of a prison here of our own making.”
Mar 18, 2010 – Dennis Kucinich – CNN
“I could send him up to Congress to get them to vote for health care,” the president joked.
Mar 17, 2010 – Barack Obama – CBS News
“For the health and well-being of American people, for the fiscal soundness of America’s budget, for seniors, for our young people, for women, for small businesses and for competitiveness we will make history and we will make progress by passing…
Mar 18, 2010 – Nancy Pelosi – Voice of America
There’s gonna be a backlash, backlash.
Gonna be a backlash, backlash.
We’re gonna need a backlash. -Sung to the montage tune in Team America
about how bad things are… NG just bought a too-expensive car and I had to go all phony on her and ooh and aah… my friend P has all of $800 in his bank account…
It’s flabbergasting and I’m not easily flabbergasted.
Are demands for justice unmet, yet made repeatedly, seditious?
No.
Or perhaps yes.
Lives, fortunes, sacred honor, some assembly required.
that’s chilling in a way Mr. esayliving1, like it could have been written in a clever dystopic cyberpunk novel twenty years ago
*easy*living1 I mean
I’ve no intention of telling tales out of school but Jeff has been blackballed.
(Yep, definitely is more appropriate in this thread.)
can I get a “well duh”?
well duh!
thank you
you’re welcome
i have to thank everyone over there in the US for slowing this Health Care bill down..
Over here in Australia, we’ve dodged a bullet as he’s postponed his trip until June. We’ve been saved from a week of simpering politicians and grovelling media.
You think the press is bad over there? Well since we don’t have to live with any of the distasterous plans he’s foisted on you, people think he’s God’s own gift. It’s just one sound bite after another..
We might have a semi-socialised health system, but we also don’t really have to pay for an full service Army.. or Navy.. And reforming the Health System is still the biggest issue in this election year..
This crap sandwich is going to pass. Soon. And they could not care less about the inevitable havoc it will wreak. Fuck them. Swordfish style.
The way I see it the ground you are fighting on/for was ceded to the left so long ago that both sides have forgotten that it was or should have been in contention. When you argue with someone from the left they become angry and quarrelsome because they are trying to defend something they see as needing no defense because it is never attacked. You must therefor be resorting to some trickery, foul incantations, magic beans, something bad anyways.
For the right, the “important” people have been long fighting a losing rearguard action. Not seeing that the are doing so because, in part, they ceded that hill over on the flank to the enemy long ago in the forgotten mists of time. Seeing someone attack that position and be successful can make them look not so big and wise to the troops.
Since on the internet it is easy to avoid a fight by ignoring that an opponent even exists, that is the strategy used as often as possible. That you are not independently wealthy or have some wealthy sponsor makes that much easier to do. You are making inroads but it is a slog.
add “y” where needed
You might want to be thankful for that.
Dan had a similar post today.
I was watching the Larry Bird/Magic Johnson documentary last night on HBO. Magic noted after he got HIV that he learned who his real friends were. His fiercest competitor, Larry Bird, was there for him. Other “friends” not so much.
I don’t know about schooltales but Mr. Instapundit linked him the other day. That’s hopeful.
June in Australia is winter, no?
You have a loyal core here Jeff.
Meh. Even being blackballed, I can still make a go at it.
I just need to vent every now and then.
I’ve no intention of telling tales out of school but Jeff has been blackballed.
By whom and in what manner?
Don’t drop something like that and then not say.
Meh. Even being blackballed, I can still make a go at it.
Exactly. The Internet sands shift constantly. People tire of one site and move to another. Despite the prodigious capacity of the Internet to remember, the users quickly forget.
I mean, look how fast CJ turned!
Sorry, di. But, as you put it at 10/90, I felt compelled to say that wasn’t actually the case.
(Honestly didn’t mean it to be a dick move.)
both sides have forgotten that it was or should have been in contention
Actually, Glenn Beck has begun to mention the corruption of language aspect of progressivism; it’s obvious that he knows something is wrong but he hasn’t yet put his finger on it. He gets how terms are conflated to mask bad meanings (euphemisms and political correctness), but he isn’t hip to the Tyranny of the Interpretative Community.
Not in so many words, that is. He’s been bludgeoned by his own twisted words enough to know the stakes. And yeah, I think he could parse Jeff’s prose. He’s not a moron; he just plays one on TV.
Sorry, di.
You know where to find me.
…like it could have been written in a clever dystopic cyberpunk novel twenty years ago
Heh.
Before, during, or after William Gibson fell off the map?
And, did anybody else get jealous and set a “self goal” to also flabbergast happyfeet at least once in 2010?
It seemed like a challenge. I like those.
Plus, I like having “stuff to do”.
But I don’t like lists.
Lists are for groceries. And Nazis.
Just not my place to say, even by email. I’ll have to be an assertion monkey here. Sorry.
By email I’d just say how awesome you are and how you’re a woman among women and how your intellect was possibly even greater than your wit… until you felt sorry for me and let me off the hook.
Just not my place to say, even by email.
::pouts:: nobody tells me anything!
Look, if you promised not to tell, I can respect that. I don’t reveal confidences either.
I just wanted to know whom to yell at.
You let me off the hook before I even said all the nice stuff. We’ll have to add gracious as well.
One thing that always makes me happy is thinking of Winston Churchill getting soused everyday, Bill Buckley enjoying cocktails and wine throughout the day before his nightcaps, and Trailer Park Boys.
I mean, you think it’s bad now, what about “living” during the prohibition era? Christ, there’s places all over the world today where you can’t have a beer or two without risking your life. That’s the kind of fucked up world we live in.
And as far as solutions to problems, we’ve got them. Bob Beauprez hosted Mike Rosen’s show the other day and was extremely impressive. My first thought hearing Bob was guest-hosting was something along the lines of “what can this losing former candidate tell me about fixing what he helped screw up when he was in Congress.” After a couple minutes, he told me a lot.
It’s the 20% solution, and exactly what we need to demand gets done.
Happy – I don’t like talk of violence, but I sure as shite ain’t going to shoot anyone disobeying some Federal Health Czar or whatnot. This Congress really has me contemplating retirement. I signed up to support and defend the Consitution of the United States – why won’t Congress? They swore almost the same oath I did [Senator Ma’am not having to obey lawful orders of officers appointed above her, etc.]
That was the cheeringest thing I read so far all week LTC.
flabbergasting is fun to say out loud, Lamont, but not as fun as superbubble
We’ll have to add gracious as well.
I only get nasty when I’m off my meds.
Then all bets are off.
So, the “one thing” is booze, the three examples are of booze being booze.
Meh. Even being blackballed, I can still make a go at it.
Sho’nuff.
You put thought to print Jeff, everybody that knows this joint shows up in clean sneakers ready to run.
Darleen, JHo & dicentra out front. Sanity Inspector is good for the occasional well placed grenade toss.
You need to write your book.
Intentionalism.
You got the bread, the peanut butter, and all the fucking jelly.
Make the goddamn sandwich already. You’re way too fucking smart to not be published that way.
Vent as you go.
We’ll all be right here.
for reals dicentra should do for real bloggings more.. front page type ones
bh —
Don’t hold back on my account. Name names. Give dates and locations. I don’t mind in the slightest.
My beer fridge died yesterday. Life can really suck sometimes.
Email sent.
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As I’ve said before, Jeff, you’re my Intentionalism Guru, with an added helping of catch wrestling. I roll with you. There are very few blogs that I read daily, this is one of those few.
As far as the craptacular pile of crap they are trying to push off on us, the hell with them. I will NOT pay any of the fracking taxes for this piece of garbage, I will make my own arrangements for health care, and I will starve the beast as much as I possibly can. I will also encourage as many people as I can to do the same, let’s see how much friction this kludge of a system can take…;-)
Email sent.
To me?
Not yet received, either at my dicentra account or my real name account.
Daily Caller on how the Anti-Slaughter Rule thing voted in the House today went down: Rep. Cantor’s resolution in full, and the bellowing which ensued described. Practically speaking, this is not a better politics we see.
Oh, sorry, di. Just to Jeff. No secrets exchanged.
My beer fridge died yesterday.
Is it still cold enough outside to use the garage?
He should know damn well that quoting a Democrat, accurately, completely, in context, is the most vile form of slander that is known anywhere. I’m surprised he wasn’t “caned” for this foul effrontery. If this keeps up there will be violence done on the floor of the House. I believe it is scheduled for Sunday.
A while back my venison/duck/quail/pheasant/fish deep freezer died and I had to yank out all my beer from the stand-up garage fridge to make room.
It was good beer too. And, sadly, most of it died on the room temperature vine.
Had to crank the “cold” on that stand-up fridge bitch to eleven, and still lost half a years hunt & fish before they replaced the coils on the deep freeze.
Just so you know, it can go both ways Jeff.
Cook whats left for family and friends, have a couple of rescued beers from the garage, and embrace the suck.
Jeff,
I could not agree more. One of your best posts. Similar ideas in a repost at Atlas Shrugs:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/democrats-have-a-word-for-this-evil-they-call-it-compassion.html
That is why the rally in Washington Saturday at noon with Jon Voight and Michelle Bachman is so important as a last chance:
http://biggovernment.com/jvoight/2010/03/18/call-to-arms-join-me-in-dc-saturday-to-stop-obamacare/
As Voight says, we need to come in the thousands. If any one can go, please do so. (I plan to travel to be there.)
A piece entitled Bush, Obama, and the Intellectuals penned by Tevi Troy in National Affairs, covers right about all the modern Presidents cursorily, Bush and Obama at length.
Using the definition given I would probably call you a “man of letters” sdferr. Jeff G. too. Nice ring that. Sounds substantive.
My take is that the advice of the “experts”, starting earlier with Wilson, created the “increasingly complex governing challenges” which were used as an excuse to have more “expert” advice. Nice self-reinforcing gig continuing to this day of now constant crisis.
That’s a very kind thing to say geoffb, but at the risk of a tiny contradiction, I’d probably be more properly classed as a man of cigarettes, cigars and pipes. I stink, in other words.
You left out pie.
You should never leave that out. I also expect from your mentions of food that there are some pleasant aromas coming from your abode.
ahem. yes, the pie, which, did I mention the virtue of the meatpie?
That is, that one can make and properly eat half a 9″ meatpie at one sitting, being as meatpies are dinner, and as dinner stuffed with all manner of vegetables and goodness, whereas with, say, a blackberry pie, one would be hard pressed indeed to make and eat at one sitting half such a pie without a great shame of gluttony washing over the scene.
As for the aromas, that reminds me, I need to take out the trash.
And I need to retire to bed. Alas there are no pies here, meat(pasty), fruit or otherwise. Perhaps this weekend.
Vent away! I look forward to it.
There are 3 blogs I visit every single day (usually several times a day): Tim Blair, David Thompson and Protein Wisdom. Don’t you stop. This is about the only blog I would willingly pay to read.
When I can afford it. I’m broke this month. The IRS came a-callin’…
Jim Ryan at JOM, mentions eliciting the now viral recording of Rep Perriello:
I liked this response on the Perriello youtube:
It’s always the
MasonsChristians.Jeff you are quite nuts.
Language isnt “manmade”….all homosapiens have language…all cultures have their own adaptive languages. Language is evolved, and evolving.
See, Grey-matter explosion, Social Brain Hypothesis, and Pinker’s The Language Istinct.
Capacity for language is hardwired.
You seem to be trying to fix “american” in stasis….that is impossible.
The White Christian Patriarchy model of social cohesion became fail when blacks and women got the vote.
Game ovah, man, game ovah.
Be graceful…..float like a leaf on the wind….more brutally, adapt or die.
And ‘feets?
I think its going to be A Bloody November.
<3 always
kate
You are ever the fucking imbecile, nishi.
Ah, so we’re off to the Virtual Muslimah Looneyarchy. That should be hilarious.
No Pablo….the new paradigm that is evolving will be some variant of social democracy.
This country was founded by anglo-saxon protestants….but they don’t own the electorate anymore.
Conservatism is old, white and christian..and conservatives have alienated black and brown citizens that might have become conservatives with their intransigent racism…..
The demographic timer is runnin’ out on the non-hispanic cauc one-time majority.
One third of non-hispanic caucs traditionally vote liberal….youth and intellectuals and academe and the arts….. and i guess one of those is me. :)
farkin’ race traitors.
lawl.
Yea, whatever.
but if things go the way nishi wants,
there won’t be a fucking electorate
just an elite in power and proles
guess which side nishi thinks she’ll be on
lulz.
social democracy = future.
white peepuls = racisty.
language = adapted by homosapiens by individual cultural use = not manmade.
words = tasty.
hot pockets = scrumpy.
my shit = rosewater and baby oil.
meaning = fish.
Yes, youth is you, replete with it’s vast inexperience. If you’re lucky, one day you’ll grow up.
nishi=immature idiot that doesn’t “debate”
hot pockets = nasty, unhealthy, “food” product filled with unnatural ingredients.
.and conservatives have alienated black and brown citizens that might have become conservatives with their intransigent racism…..
I’ve got a GREAT idea. Why don’t you fly to Detroit, and I’ll take you on a little tour on how well served those black and brown citizens have been by the Democrats.
Shit, they’re nothing but the field slaves. Conyers and Kilpatrick and the BCC have gotten themselves a job in the HOUSE.
I lurvs listening to eugenicists going on about intransigent racism in the morning. It smells like irony.
cool beans
No, more like the crust of week old, twice cooked, half-baked refried beans.
kate mengele is one of the new barbarians
cool beans … pffffft
All the real cool pomo-bots are saying “groovy” now. It’s more retro and cheesy. I read that on 4chan or sumpin.
You seem to have no understanding of what is being argued — and you write entirely so that you can use the words “evolve” and “stasis” in sentences.
Beyond that, you’ve nothing to offer.
Intransigent RACISTS lulz
Let’s see if those here who don’t possess Nishi’s academic genius can tell me where (and to what) we are to attribute the formulation “man made” in this clause: “the kind of thinking that has been replaced by the postmodern lie that, because we are created and prescribed by language, and because language is man made, truth itself is an invention of mankind, and so has no permanence other than mere consensus.”
English, motherfucker. Do you speak it?
lulz! worship at the alter of evolution, wingnutz!
That’s too easy, Jeff.
You observe that postmodernism asserts that language created man.
Nishi lives in an inverted world; ergo, to her it says “man created language.”
at #230 and #240 nishi is right as rain… shrieky wingnuts are alienating hispanics in droves… why do you think the little president man wants to shift to immigration?
well, not right about the nuts part but you just have to read past those bits
and I like my song already…
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No, you didn’t. I did. What’s your point?
If only conservatives would be “compassionate” and start promising free shit to each identity group, maybe they could get elected… Instead, they insist on “alienating” people by appealing to fiscal responsibility and rule of law and all that shit that doesn’t come with party favors.
No wonder they’re failing as parents.
… shrieky wingnuts are alienating hispanics in droves… why do you think the little president man wants to shift to immigration?
With what?
Jeff made my comment, but more intelligent-like.
Besides, the blacks and the browns are stupid to listen to the democrats. WHAT do they have to show for their allegiance?
We’ll see. I think they know what they’re doing though by moving immigration up the agenda. There’s something very clever, clever and potent, about goading a Palin or a Romney into babbling about secure borders and then saying thank you Sarah and throwing that footage up on Univision.
So many of the Hispanics I know are conservatives… that identify democrat.
With what?
short answer is read more Malkin I guess… but also I think watching Team R ardently embracing white icons of whiteness like Sarah Palin is a bit off-putting for our Hispanic friends. They really don’t don’t don’t like the lady at all. Romney isn’t as much of a problem so far cause hardly anybody ardently embraces him.
This country is solidly in the grip of identity politics in all quarters, and Team R is deer in the headlights come 2012 I think.
During a time of very high unemployment it’s smart politics to bring up comprehensive immigration reform?*
It’s about as smart as bringing up cap and trade in a very poor economic climate.
Sorry. They can cleverly throw grenade pins at us all day long for all I care.
* That isn’t to say I wouldn’t prefer expanded legal immigration, but that’s never on the table, is it? Someone has to make some babies.
So, they’re fools.
Yeah. If only conservatives would stop it with that whole “rule of law” thing, maybe they would appeal to more voters.
It’s almost like they have principles and stuff. And that won’t get you elected.
Personally, I think they should all run as Democrats. That way, they can get elected, govern like Democrats, etc. — but we’ll know what they’d really like to do if they weren’t forced to pander in order to get and stay elected.
That’s like, a victory and stuff.
in other words, they’re vewwy confused
even more confused than conservatives who identify republican
I talk politics with folks A LOT. At the gym, etc. My husband does through work. Identity politics? Not so much. Taxes. Gun laws. Health care. The economy.
I can’t remember the last time I had a discussion about Sarah. Except here.
Hey, maybe we can get John McCain to lead us!
I think Sarah Palin should start going around the country in a sombrero, offering chili relleno recipes at the end of her speeches.
Identity politics will be big in 2012. I think the GOP needs to embrace that and play the game. To get elected. Because that’s all the matters.
Here, happy. I know the perfect place for you: http://www.patterico.com
That’s probably because it got lost in all your talk about not having abortions, Carin.
it’s because happyfeets just can’t quit Sarah. i think there’s something there. possibly mommy issues. feets just doesn’t get that the more he makes everything about Palin, the more everything will be about Palin.
which just might be the way he wants it, really. because of the mommy thing.
That’s the ticket, Pablo.
John McCain. He’s a sure thing.
nishi was bang on about 2008 and nishi is bang on here…
hispanic voting rates have room to grow…
This is salient. It deserves a response. Bush knew that. He tried. He failed. But now nobody’s even trying anymore except Princess Lindsey.
Anybody else get the feeling that some people would like conservatism a whole lot better if only it tracked more closely to the Democrats platform?
That’s another issue I don’t bring up. Not because I shy away, but because … it doesn’t matter right now.
I can also count on no hands the # of times I’ve gone off about stem cell stuff.
uh oh. warp factor 8, scottie. feets is gonna throw up another hundred and a quarter comments about the a-word, and about how folks that disagree with him and have the gall to do so out loud are a bunch of cumsluts.
“bang on” about what? That Obama would win the election against McCain?
Why, she’s like Nostradomus, that one!
Incidentally, I was bang on in 2007 about thor’s turn, and about nishi’s turn. I was right about Frey. And now, I’ve predicted a happyfeet turn, as well.
Oh. I predicted Cole, too.
All you have to do is look at the assumptions that provide the structure of an argument. The rest is just waiting.
Yea, nishi was “bang on” for Obama because of the fiscal responsibility.
Bahahaa haaa …
she’s been bang on about completely missing pretty much all of Jeff’s points vis a vis language, too.
not a scintillating record, i think. the kid needs to disengage the dimmer switch, over here. at least, i hope there’s a switch, there.
Why are y’all talking about abortions again?
Yes, but what about Ilyka Damen? Did you see that coming? Or the Commissar?
All those lost soldiers …
we’re not, feets. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
I haven’t turned nowheres. I always always always said I heart the Hispanic peoples and I don’t much care how they get here cause they make our little country better.
I’m a stalwart conservative.
What I really want to know is did Jeff predict Glenn Greenwald’s sudden, drastic shift from former staunch conservative to expat but hopeful D-party supporter?
‘feets, could you address the issue of pitching immigration reform (the Dem leftist version) during a time of high unemployment and a dismal economic outlook?
Not a winner. Just isn’t.
nishi never promised financial responsibility… I remember I used to try to draw her out on economics and get her to explain more…
She just hardly ever goes there.
They get to be dues paying union members, bh. Who doesn’t want that?
mobyfeet or lil’ linskyfeet?
I’m so confuzzled.
No one’s talked about abortions. There’s been a couple of comments talking about talking about abortions, which is not the same thing.
See, now I don’t love or not love Hispanic people. I just want them to only get here legally and w/o crippling our social services. See California.
I like that our country attracts people from all over the world, and I think it cool that I can eat Lebanese or Ethiopian or Thai food right here in Detroit.
Oh, yeah. Ilyka over the feminisms (remember, she was very upset by a Shannon Elizabeth post of mine); and Commissar for reasons similar to the ones that turned Kate and Cole, and will soon turn happy.
I think cause the people what are incensed by immigration during a time of high unemployment and a dismal economic outlook are already incensed anyway, bh.
This is about the presidency and purifying Team Dirty Socialist I think. I have to get to work.
nishi never explains ANYTHING. She just makes asinine statements. lulz
See, to my way of thinking a conservative would be thinking something like “I heart all of the Hispanic peoples that I find heartable, just as I heart everyone else that I find heartable”, rather than a blanket hearting of all Hispanics regardless of whether they truly deserve it.
But that would be unkind, not hearting the murderers and thieves and child molesters the same as the good, hardworking churchgoing folks.
What was nishi “bang on” about, happy? This is the second time I’m asking.
There’s something in a Barack Obama what doesn’t love a blue dog.
I remember how Baracky was gonna lead an army of forward thinking yoots toward the singularity. But I think people started to figure out that he’s Urkel.
I’d call that a miss.
I have to go to work and then I will answer. It’s 8:43!
Hah!
oh crap I’m late
But Pablo, he had the KEWL marketing! That means he himself must be some modern day version of ubercool. The Mack goes to Washington.
Me, I remember thinking when all the white liberal lady reporters were pretending to swoon over his pecs, uh, where’s the beef?
It was manufactured admiration. Embarrassing, really.
I mean, she’s been right about some things that even a blind, deaf person couldn’t fail to notice, but about what should be done about those things? Her solution is to go with what she believes to be the flow. To succomb to the meme that she’s helping to create, so as to more usefully manufacture a self-fulfilling prophecy.
These are things that she can’t not want to happen, and have any self-awareness at all.
So, either she’s dim enough to disregard, or her aims are those of a moral chameleon, and likewise merit disregarding.
That hf finds her intelligent and admirable says much about him, I think, and none of it good.
I think that unhappy number has risen, ‘feets, it would fit the historical patterns. And it wasn’t popular last time around to start with.
Healthcare reform, unpopular. Comp Immigration reform, unpopular. Cap and trade, unpopular.
If it seems like winning politics to take up one loser after another, then it might be worthwhile to consider some of the initial assumptions that lead to that conclusion.
Different time zones, Slart. The time is different for me as well.
People vote for Democrats because they want free shit. Not because of religion, or immigration, or any of those other fucking straw men. Democrats get the votes they pay for.
Oh, I know. It just struck me as funny.
Democrats get the votes they pay for.
Actually, they get the votes we pay for. And we’re not gonna pay for ’em much longer. Bummer for the Democrats.
To succomb to the meme that she’s helping to create, so as to more usefully manufacture a self-fulfilling prophecy.
These are things that she can’t not want to happen, and have any self-awareness at all.
So, either she’s dim enough to disregard, or her aims are those of a moral chameleon, and likewise merit disregarding.
I think she just likes being on what she considers Team Win! Remembering back, why did she support Obama (outside of his image) besides the Stem Cell thing? And, she repeatedly mentioned the fiscal irresponsibility of Bush.
Most of her “reasons” were anti-reasons similar to what Happy’s been arguing. Assigning the issues of the fringe to the whole. Claiming that if they are even IN the tent, they are controlling it.
our nishi is right cause all the dirty socialists have to do is nurture the narrative that Team R hates them some Hispanical peoples and demographics does the rest… and does anyone doubt how masterful Team Dirty Socialist is at nurturing such narratives?
I don’t doubt it.
I’m a stalwart conservative
Groovy beanz.
We fancy Ourselves the Queen of England.
Not because of religion, or immigration, or any of those other fucking straw men.
Dunno about that, Moe. There are still some people who think that the way to keep illegal immigrants out is to build a 100 billion dollar wall across the Mexican border, and will vote for any Republican who tells them that’s what he/she is about.
The thing with hf and nishi is they’ve got politically tenable issues all mashed together with politically interesting issues. Some things don’t have much in the way of viable solution, so we just talk about them. I’d like to have mostly legal immigrants, but I don’t want to blow billions of dollars on building walls or moats or ninja monkeys with frickin’ lasers just to keep the illegals out.
hf is unhappy with the pandering that the Republicans do, and so am I. But pandering is the name of the game so long as folks prefer to be pandered to, and all of the cumsluts and whores in the world aren’t going to put a stop to it.
Besides, I am not the Republican Party, and they are not me. I have more disagreement with R-party politics than I have agreement, but I have even more with D-party politics. We all muddle through with what we have, except hf who just wants nishi.
I wonder why it doesn’t work with Cubans.
So we pitch expanded legal immigration. It would include two new benefits. It would get rid of the labor black market (that’s bad for everyone, including immigrants) and it would respect the rule of law.
Pitch it as a necessary corrective for the shifting age demos and our low birth rates. Because, it is. That’s not what’s on offer though. So why not fight bad ideas with good ones? That’s Paul Ryan ish, eh?
I have to say, Pablo nails it, McCain offers the other option.
Or put the Army on the border, another non-winner, set-up-for-failure idea.
I’ve always been struck by the lack of any reason for immigration to be as difficult as it is. Make it easier and fewer will be inclined to skirt an onerous process.
’d like to have mostly legal immigrants, but I don’t want to blow billions of dollars on building walls or moats or ninja monkeys with frickin’ lasers just to keep the illegals out.
Two words.
Balloon fence.
I am talking about the Democrat vote. You know how many blue collar union voters agree completely with that wall? You know how many of them will vote completely the other way because they are getting paid to? Same for the hispanics, they are most all hard core Catholic conservatives, but the Dems wave money and free shit in their face, and happyfeet thinks they hate Republicans because of abortion or some shit.
They vote for Democrats for the same reason they sneak across the border, that is where the money is. It don’t have a fucking thing to do with science fiction memes or cultural fucking evolutionary trends.
Nishi’s politics is the same as her music, puffy fucking superficial pop fashion.
+1
I understand the desire to send all the illegals back first, but it just isn’t practical. We need to start being a little smarter about where and how we spend our money.
Reform the red tape, minimum wages and bullshit that makes it so expensive to hire legal unskilled labor, that would also go a long way in cleaning up the black market, bh.
Absolutely, B Moe. Make it so you can write a guy a check on the books as easily putting cash into his hand at the end of the day.
IOW, same as where Gino Vanelli was, a few decades back?
he’s too sexy for his shirt, obviously.
I agree with bh and Mr. Moe about the expanded legal immigration, but the ensuing shrieks of the Malkins of the world would still be the only voices the Hispanical ones heard I think.
My wife got her Masters back in the eighties in Russian Studies. She and I attend the Russian Orthodox Church. It would be quite proper and right to say we “heart” the Russian people. That does not mean that we “heart” communism, or Putin or those that support[ed] them.
Thinking that we do is similar to the error of mistaking the map for the land. There are many fine people in Latin America. Many/most of them are in positions no better than the Russian people were during the communist era.
Supporting their aspirations to freedom and a better life does not have to align with “open borders”, the political goals of La Raza or the mouthings of various self-proclaimed “hispanic leaders”.
We can have secure borders and help the hispanic “people” to get to a better life. These things are only made to be polar opposites by the Left and their selected stooge leaders. Ones quite like those selected during the communist era for the Russians.
Apparently we can’t have secure borders though geoff. It’s proven quite beyond us.
America can’t tie its fucking shoes by itself anymore.
we can’t even order refueling tankers
That’s right, hf — embrace your fundamental nishiness.
I was sure bang-on about you yesterday.
I think a lot of people have lost sight of the fact that one of Jeff’s primary arguments when he started this site was to document the ways in which the Proggs have rigged the system to allow their unfair rhetoric to flourish.
For as much as I may wish that our erstwhile ‘allies’ on the Right would stop giving so much ammo to the other side, I’m not about to cede the argument they make. The solution isn’t to shut Malkin up; it’s to add other voices with persuasive arguments to the extent that the MSM can’t hold up a few two-dimensional caricatures and proclaim them to be our voice.
Alternatively, the tactic is to refuse to let the other side distract and divide with their social issues, and keep things tightly focused on the fiscal disaster we’re piling on to our children. We need a corps of people repeating the mantra, “These programs aren’t going to be paid for by Rich Bankers and Evil Corporations — they’re going to be paid for by your children and your grandchildren.” Repeated enough times, it may start to get through.
People understand money and freedom. They can be made to understand that their kids aren’t gonna have much of either, but we can’t allow ourselves to let the zealots on the Left or the Right distract and divide us.
You wear shoes?
And to point out the enablers of such tactics, too.
Didn’t we try that in 1986?
So what would be the deal here? Minimum wage laws don’t apply to green card labor? If not, I don’t see how you’ve changed things.
I’m not making the mistake of throwing away the obtainable “good” to chase the misty ghost of the “perfect”. The changes suggested above by B Moe, bh etc. are the “good”.
The only ones shrieking about the “perfect” are mostly those who follow the stooge leaders that have Left approval even if they appear to be on a different side. It is an old game to have your people be in positions of power among those who oppose you. The Left has played that one for many, many years right from the beginning. Google “The Trust”.
Amnesty is not the same thing at all.
nishi is right Mr. McGehee… Team R will boisterously alienate brown ones in the coming immigration debate. The mostest hatey Team R ones will be in full rotation on hispanical media.
It’s just kind of how it works.
Michael Steele and Meghan’s daddy’s Team R can’t find its ass with both hands. You can’t honestly believe they can finesse an complex issue, do you?
*a* complex issue I mean
It has nothing to do with finesse. It has to do with whose words are splashed in the above the fold headlines and the spin/interpretation pushed out as to what the words mean.
Think you will see Joe “You know we’re going to control the insurance companies” Biden pushed to the fore? Nah, wouldn’t be prudent.
As Geoff mentioned, I’m not talking amnesty or green cards, Mark. I’m talking about new citizens.
here’s a decent nuts and boltsy look at the CBO appraisal of the socialisms
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If not finesse then leadership I guess. Team R has stupid and cowardly leadership.
Maybe after 2010 they’ll get their act together.
new friends!
By… referring to them as “brown ones,” and like that?
It’s a daddy Bush thing, McGehee.
You know hf, they’re overwhelmingly Catholic too which means anti-abortion and anti-birth control, so why not refer to them as “hyperbreeders” too while you’re at it?
Since you’re do much better at the message thing than anybody else.
“Daddy Bush” was pro-amnesty too.
I only go away when you go away, Jeff. I suspect that’s the same for many others, since that’s what happen when I stop posting at my own blog.
BTW, thanks for promoting my novel. It’s still not out yet because my publisher is also one of LTC John’s cohorts and that comes first.
What am I doing? Trying to help my publisher get our novels out (he has one two) and planning my escape–an escape related to the subject at hand.
the internet members
yes mcGehee, Team R should bond with the Hispanical ones on the basis of mutual Lifeyness…
That’s fucking BRILLIANT! I can’t believe Team R hasn’t tried that yet.
Things are gonna change very quickly now.
Hmmm?!
la fetus estan muy sacredado mi amigos, no?
Si!
ohhh… is that why the pre-ordered ones haven’t been delivered baldilocks?
I was wondering if I’d gotten it and misplaced it.
I do that a lot.
How is that going to fix the illegal immigration problem? I mean, the people sneaking over the border to work for less than minimum wage will still be sneaking over the border to work for minimum wage. The ones that are now citizens can latch on to the Federal teat.
Make that “…sneaking over the border to work for less than minimum wage.”
I heart the Hispanic peoples and I don’t much care how they get here cause they make our little country better.
I used to be totally indifferent to the issue of legal immigration too, ‘feets. Having lived in Colombia, I knew how crummy the situation was for them and I didn’t care if they were here illegally.
But then I changed my mind, after hearing about the real impacts of the illegality.
Also, you need to consider that Latino parents aren’t exactly strict disciplinarians. They almost never demand excellence from their children, and they tend to be resigned to misfortune rather than scrabbling their way out (this is a bit less common among those who came here, but they CAN revert).
They’re lovely, loving people, but they’re awfully susceptible to social pathologies such as illigitimate pregancies, bigamy, father abandonment, gangs, and drug use.
You should also know that the LDS church has not developed a Welfare program in Latin America as we have here, because Latinos have absolutely no problem with agreeing to be baptized to get free food. They do it here: I can tell you their names.
On the other hand, they’re not fanatical Muslims. So there’s that.
Well, the new citizens will displace that illegal workforce if A) it’s not impossible for them to do it legally, B) you make it so employers can hire legal citizens just as easily as illegals and C) you crack down on hiring illegals.
So, no, expanding legal immigration wouldn’t solve everything. We’d have to implement complementary policies as well.
But, we’ve never really tried workplace enforcement and we’ve never really tried (lately anyways) making legal citizenship a viable option for the number of people required to offset our aging, non-baby making populace.
We should change that whole “huddled masses” thing. What we want is the young and fertile.
Which is why we need to speak with a single voice and quell dissent in our ranks.
It’s the only way to be free.
Everybody shut up and follow the script. I’ve entitled it “we are all staunchly conservative.”
Btw, immigration is only considered a Latino issue because we allow it to be. The planet is a buffet. Let’s try a little of everything.
that’s all true I think dicentra… it’s probably mostly just I’m a bad disciplinarian too…
I like the wall idea… but something with architectural merit por favor… not this concentration camp aesthetic the designers always gravitate to… why can’t someone come up with an inspirational wall what whispers of freedom and prosperity?
I think they just don’t try. Our walls demean us and them, how we do them.
Oh. And remember: those of you who believe in the rule of law are “hatey.” Because in reality you don’t really care about the rule of law. You just hate Spics.
Go ahead, you may as well admit it. Because that’s what we’re going to say about you regardless…
If you can’t beat nishi, join her!
have you scene the ramshackle fencey thing that sticks out into the ocean on the west coast?
That is so not America.
They play volleyball there.
I think it’s beautiful that they play volleyball there.
I buy Menudo CDs just so I can scratch them with my American work boots.
And Team D will boisterously fellate brown ones.
happyfeets would be much happier buying their votes, regardless of Toqueville’s warnings about that sort of thing.
Mark Krikorian said this at The Corner last month, and I wrote him an email (to which he responded with thanks):
Whatever other virtues the Latinos possess, turning down freebies on principle is not one of them.
All we need is love!
Okay, that actually got a physical laugh.
The Menudo cd thing.
I thought maybe Jeff had found some sort of tripe-soup-based investment vehicle, so was puzzled.
Mark seems to be one of the “perfect” over the “good” people.
that’s interesting about the statues.
I for one have very little patience for incessant doomsayers who have no coherent ideas for how to avert disaster. I have even less patience for people who use words like “whore” and “harpy” and “coochie” and “cumslut” while claiming to make “substancey” arguments.
When someone clings desperately to contradictory positions, having no rational basis either to reconcile them or to recognize they are irreconcilable (and change accordingly), they are bound to become confused. Confusion naturally leads to fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to the Dark Side.
Strong the Dark Side is. But in the end, lose it must.
The sun’ll come out tomorrow, unlessin you’re our little country then tomorrow, there’ll be sun I think.
Di, I’m curious, when were you in Columbia roughly? Was it bad crazy with the assassinations and such?
Got any scary stories to tell?
I was in Colombia from May 1995 to July 1996.
My first city was Cali, near the Communeros barrio, where they don’t have plumbing and stuff.
My Colombian companion and I knocked on a door once and the guy let us in and he was very insistent that we sit on the couch that was up against the same wall as the front door.
He left the front door open and sat facing us. As we pitched our shpiel, he kept nervously looking out the door, obviously not listening. My companion stopped the discussion and asked him what the deal was.
I had been there about 6 weeks, so my Spanish wasn’t good enough to follow what he was saying. He talked for a bit, then she thanked him for his time and we left.
As we walked away she told me that he was waiting for the government to come get him, and he wanted us to sit where we did so we’d be out of the line of fire, because he had all kinds of grenades and weapons in the back room.
I don’t know how true that was. We walked past his house a few weeks later and he was still skulking around. But it makes a good story.
We missionaries were in the cities, not the selva, which is where FARC hangs out. Also, the kidnappings for money hadn’t begun yet.
lolx1000
doomed. Utterly doomed.
YOu wanna know doomed, Happy. Just returned from the library, where they had a guy set up at a table, with signs and what not. What for? CENSUS QUESTIONS. And Assistance. WTF is so fucking hard? Name. AGe. Race (Other- American). Done.
No math involved.
I had to walk out quickly before I started asking some questions which may have made one (or both) of us uncomfortable.
Yikes, I’m not sure I’d be up for knocking on more doors that day if someone told me that. Yeah, with FARC I hadn’t thought about the city v. country angle, I’d have mistakenly thought the reverse.
Stop your bitching, happyfeet. Yes, we’re doomed, but I get a feeling you like that — because it means you can blame Palin.
However, I was there when terrorists stormed the supreme court and murdered 12 justices. And when I was in Itagüí (suburb of Medellín), the people I was staying with would talk about muertos in the street. And I’ve got a photo of a house that’s all shot up, where the cops cornered and killed a narcotraficante (not Pablo Escobar, that was after I left).
I was more freaked out by the destruction of Armero by the lahar when El Nevado de Ruíz warmed up, the snow cap melted a bit, and a city of 30,000 people was buried instantly. http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/Colombia/Ruiz/description_eruption_lahar_1985.html
I do not like about the doomed.
Palin isn’t someone you blame… she’s just a symptom… like spastic colon… a symptom that Team R has caught charisma fever. They want a rock star. Or at least a twangier less-insightful Shania Twain.
Columbia has Libertarians, who knew?
Man, I gotta say, little Columbia (it’s about a half block in Albany Park, Chicago) is much safer. And you can get a big bowl of beef stew for like a buck and a half.
No volcano either.
Will the rank and file Team D enjoy the misery they’re bringing as it starts to manifest in their lives? Somehow the long run doesn’t seem all that promising for those ones.
Yeah, I hear you, happy. The way some of those kinds of people talk? Makes me cringe.
Sometimes I wish Obama were a conservative. Him I could be proud of.
Once the misery starts we’re all in it together I think, sdferr.
There’s not much speculative exploration what’s been done of the post-dirty socialist terrain yet, but I imagine there will be a gallant sort of commiseration what staunch conservatives and dirty socialists will share. Cause we’re Americans.
I think when Sarah Palin babbles it makes a lot of people cringe.
My Chicago friend says she’s like a hot dog without celery salt.
I think he’s right.
McCain? Too cowardly and accomodating toward the left. Palin? Too accomodating of the right.
What we need is a conservative who will win people over by not being accomodating at all. One lacking in charisma, who doesn’t politicize political questions, and who will only foreground economic questions that redound to fiscal responsibility — while simultaneously promising the burgeoning group of brown ones that they can have from us all the stuff those other ones are promising.
That’s the only way what for to takes back our little country from them ones what got our little country taken.
People who speak to conservative issues are symptoms of wanting conservatism to be conservative. Like spastic colons. Unseemly.
I’m staunchly conservative. So long as no conservative issues are concerned.
And so long as I don’t have to pretend to like any of them.
Because if I do, nishi will call me a racist. And that’s the same thing as being one, what with perception being reality and all.
If you can’t beat nishi, join her. Get your bang on bang on.
I didn’t say about promising… I just think feckless Team R needs to develop a counternarrative.
This is a task what surpasses their feeble capabilities however.
Maybe they could just start with an amusing youtube with Sarah Palin in a sombrero.
From happy’s article:
He and his wife were also struggling with debt, after taking out a second mortgage four years ago to pay off debt and medical bills.
Translated: “They struggled with debt, after taking on debt to pay off other debt.”
Who’d have guessed that such a system could go wrong? Truly, these folks deserve a high credit score!
Americans still possess a mean practical streak I think hf.
So many of us, in fact, are so practical, practicing our lives away with such vigor we don’t stop to think theoretically in order to see what’s coming from over that hill of piled corpses and how that what’s coming is going to have a direct consequence, practically speaking, over here where we’re busy practicing. You might say that’s a description of the dependable low information voter even.
But when the what’s coming gets mixed into our practicing, we start paying some attention, looking for practical fixes to these annoying disturbances to our steady practice. Team D is in for a nasty raft of defections, is what I’m thinking, if the evils they’re foisting on the country get passed and take effect. There’s always a piper to be paid, the shame of it is having to pay after the tune turns out to have been so shitty. What a waste, we’ll say.
happyfeet,
No matter who we put forward to give voice to our concerns, the Soros Brigade will turn them into a cartoon, the way they’ve done to everyone. Given your tireless drive to turn Palin into a cartoon, I’m beginning to think Soros can just keep his money, and let the “sensible conservatives” do his work for him, for free.
Seriously, dude — you should at least demand Ding-Dongs. Surely you’ve been doing more effective work than O-Dub.
Ditto what sdferr said at #397.
I’m not so sure the illegal immigration thingy is going to be so bad for the next decade or so – what with unemployment being so high among the unskilled in the USA.
hf must love him some Obamacare.
three things.
1. America has always been lead by elites. America is a meritocracy.
2. Yes, Jeff, i unnerstand your argument…do you unnerstand mine? You are trying to “take back language” like Brietbat wants to “take back Hollywood”.
Both of you are trying to catch water in your hand. Culture has moved on. The UD has more influence than the constitution, lol. White christian conservatism is a zombie culture animated by rage.
3. ‘feets is right….I said a lot of things would happen…..Obama would be elected, Palin would split the GOP along the IQ faultline, Michelle O would be feted as the next Jackie Kennedy ……and i was right.
the common denominator between Cole, Charles and me is science. For Charles it was evolution vs. creationism…..Cole fractured on Schiavo, and for me it was eSCR vs. aSCR.
Our shared conservatism ran aground on the implacable iceberg of scientific truth.
but feets and Jeff are not scient…..they are more into words and meaning and language……so I dont see them being forced to turn, like Cole, Charles and I were.
thing is….the white patriarchy model of social cohesion is dead. di should get this….mormons are very white and very patriarchial. the sex-segregated rooming houses and the shame of divorce and unwed motherhood are long gone. what can you offer to replace it? there are new forms of families….single parent families, black families and brown families, gay families, families run by grandparents…..how do you offer social services and safety nets to all those citizens when you insist manxwoman with bio-kids is the only acceptable model?
The dems offer a modified social democracy….like Jesus would have.
What can you offer?
Bootstraps?
No, I’m one of the “stop digging in the fucking hole” people.
Now, maybe you have access to precise data why illegals come from Mexico to the US to work and why the employers in the US hire them over citizens. Maybe understanding that data tells you that simply making those folks (or some subset of them) legal will fix that problem.
Or maybe you’re fixing some *other* problem.
But I really do not see how increasing the number of legal immigrants from Mexico will reduce the number of illegal immigrants from Mexico in any meaningful way or solve ANY of the problems the large number of illegals bring with them.
Feel free to walk us through the logic chain.
I appreciate the work you’re doing on our behalf, nishi. Maybe we should even consider increasing funding for Operation Poor Advocate.
White christian conservatism is a zombie culture animated by rage.
And you are informed by the likes of Janeane Garofalo. You’ve got cartoon images in your head of “conservatives” . That’s why you are so opaque in your arguments.
What you are is dishonest.
The dems offer a modified social democracy….like Jesus would have.
“Blessed are the poor, for theirs is the Kingdom of Entitlements.
Blessed are the hungry, for they shall be filled with the fruit of others’ labor.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall have our enlightened voices to speak for them.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be given shiny boots and truncheons.
Blessed are the pure of heart, for they will be judged on intentions, not outcomes.
Blessed are those persecuted for seeking righteousness, for they shall be sheltered in the very best detention facilities the State has to offer.”
Is this your sermon, Nish the Genecleanser? Because you can keep it.
“the shame of divorce and unwed motherhood are long gone”
Part and parcel of what’s wrong in our society today…
“The dems offer a modified social democracy….like Jesus would have.”
What do you know of Jesus or His teachings? Jesus never was about forcing anyone to do anything…
And, just a few sentances ago you were talking about the intellectual triumph of “science”; but you are in league with those who would openly twist and pervert science, as they have with words, meaning, and our very social compact, in order to serve you political purpose. You don’t love science, truth, or understanding. Science to you is simply another useful idiot, o propaganda prop to use as a signpost on your way to the brave new world of the workers paradise…
You know, like the one that collapsed in the early 90’s in the former Soviet Union.
You know of neither Christ nor science. You’re a contrarian anarchist that gloms onto “team win!” as Jeff put it earlier.
Obama would be elected, Palin would split the GOP along the IQ faultline, Michelle O would be feted as the next Jackie Kennedy ……and i was right.
The people who fete Palin are IQ-deficient; the people who fete Michelle are our moral and intellectual superiors.
Seriously, Nish — you’re approaching neutronium-level density today. Keep it up, and you could become Nish the Singularity!
here are new forms of families….single parent families, black families and brown families, gay families, families run by grandparents…..how do you offer social services and safety nets to all those citizens when you insist manxwoman with bio-kids is the only acceptable model?
That doesn’t even make sense? The social services and safety nets are used MOSTLY by folks who don’t adhere to that ” white patriarchy model of social cohesion.”
How the fuck do you think we offer them to ’em?
Yea, the Manxwoman model of social cohesion really is the suxxor. That single-mom thing is working out really well.
Oh and the whole Michelle as Blackie O! thing? It didn’t take an oracle to predict that one when the media was proclaiming the arrival of the new Camelot even before Obama actually got elected; hell I predicted that!
Meet the new camelot, contrived and fundamentally phony, just like the Kennedy camelot…
Anybody have the latest count? I’m sure I’ll get called “hatey, white, christian conservative, patriarchal, and Palin divisive” since I don’t like the idea of forcing every American citizen to buy healthcare that will bankrupt our already crippled economy.
guess I should finish my last pack of smokes this weekend. Uncle Sam won’t look to highly on my habit.
1. America has always been lead by elites. America is a meritocracy.
a. Not anymore it isn’t. Now you get ahead by having connections to SEIU and ACORN and Valerie Jarrett.
b. Please endeavor to distinguish between “elite” and “elitism.”
Yes, Jeff, i unnerstand your argument… You are trying to “take back language” like Brietbat wants to “take back Hollywood”.
Nice how the second half so neatly contradicts the first. Almost elegant.
Almost.
Culture has moved on.
Brietbart is fighting a culture war; Jeff isn’t. How language works isn’t subject to cultural influence or legislation or common consent.
Which you’d know that if you actually DID understand Jeff’s arguments.
I think the proper retort is “Yellow fudge cosine > lumber”.
Guys, let’s face it, nishi probably loses the statists more votes in a day of crazy commenting than we could collectively hope to achieve in a year. She deserves our thanks.
Thank you, nishi. You might want to tone it down a bit though. People might catch on.
Does culture influence language, or is the reverse true, or is it more synergistic? I’m just asking here; remember, I’m an aerospace engineer, not a humanities type, so I’m challenged so to speak-or at least at a loss to those of you who are more familiar with prevailing linguistic theory and cultural anthropology.
I like to hope that Science (writ large like that so to indicate the whole thing, whatever it is) is a good thing on the whole, does advance human knowledge of the world, does help us rid ourselves of false beliefs about the world, does contribute to the production of useful tools and in consequence better lives, but occasional self-professed proponents have the capacity to give me pause, unintentionally on their part I think.
I’m made to wonder whether these effects are attributable to Science as such or are merely a function of idiosyncrasies of those peculiar proponents gone astray somewhere, somehow?
idiosyncrasies, sdferr. nishi is just as poor an advocate for science. That, I actually hold against her.
Yeah, I can think that too, but to say the truth, I think the problem runs a lot farther than nishi’s doorstep. I harbor a deep suspicion that there are many pseudo-sciences round about infecting people with falsehoods, rather than ridding people of them.
Been a long-time lurker. happy feet makes me sick
Though it might be reminiscent of No True Scotsman!, I think that question is effectively answered with your “pseudo”, sdferr.
Wait…Did the Muslim just type that? Nishi the ironic one what slays phantasms in nightgowns whilst begging daddy for the love she doth deserved is a more suitable handle. You’re insane kate. Wow.
Eventually, sure. The difficulties lay in the interim sorting outs, which can take decades if not centuries betimes. And that in those meantimes, people die, no, I mean, are murdered, on account of the falsehoods, to say nothing of the waste of efforts, the waste of capital chasing bullshit, the waste of productivity in irretrievable labor and time, nevermind the bogging down in the bloggy places.
It demanded all bold
Well, I think that’s sort of inevitable, sdferr. You know how I always start griping that there are only axiomatic truths? Well, somehow we have to piece things together in some fuzzy manner if we want to learn more than math. So, science is simply the best possible method we’ve yet come up with tackle the terrain. The problem isn’t science, the problem is knowing.
OI – when the eugenecist said “our shared conservatism” I almost had a wreck.
Hey, JD, you were right, Justified is a good show. Prediction: the protagonist will shoot many more people.
“somehow we have to piece things together in some fuzzy manner if we want to learn more than math”
This ordinary human thinking behavior isn’t science or scientific, at least as I understand it, right? And science hasn’t got a handle on this vast field of experience or phenomena, so far as I know. Though here, in this vast field, on this vast place, claims to science are made. We could call the place politics, almost, but it isn’t nearly so narrow a thing as that. Still, politics does make up a part of it. One the one hand, I think the study is necessary, in order to differentiate the possibly knowable aspects of the human beings from the non-knowable aspects, so I’m certainly not begrudging the efforts made. What’s tough is keeping those effort’s grubby paws off our polity while they’ve still got such a huge hole in their enterprise. Staving off the messes, we might say.
I feel kind of bad I make you sick, ThinMan person.
But also I really don’t see but that nishi doesn’t quite ably reveal the utter dearthyness of an effective Team R counternarrative independent of Sarah Palin’s incredibly high duh-factor Facebook page.
I think the most apt distillation of Team R fecklessness is that one loser that accepted a job on Team Dirty Socialist and then said oops what am I thinking. What’s his name?
Judd Gregg
Sounds like a description of Judd Gregg hf, no?
Gregg is a Congregationalist what won $850,000 playing Powerball.
Yes I can never remember his name sdferr. I think it’s cause of the not watching the tv.
What is the evolutionary future of a strongly social animal that sacrifices the strong to protect the weak?
To say the current Democratic “system” is scientific is certifiably fucking insane.
Gentlemen,
While science is about truth, it is probably more apt to say that it is about understanding. It’s the mechanism by which we wrap our minds around the wonder of the cosmos. And the need for the dependability of a theory in doing so, in the ability to repeat an experiment umpteen number of times and still arrive at substantially the same result, is often conflated with consensus these days-especially by the proponents of AGW. So it yields understanding, concrete bodies of factual data, out of successful theories. Perhaps this is truth in an absolute philisophical sense, but what scientists are seeking is an understanding of reality; which can get tricky in multi-dimensional physics.
Where it is truth, in a sense, is that there generally are no widely accepted, or acceptable, subjective, individual, truths involved. Gravity is not biased towards anyone in a discriminate sort of way. nor can someone simply put their fingers in their ears and sing “la-la-la, it’s not real ‘cuz I don’t believe in it!”. And there would have to be more data doctoring than even the AGW crowd has done for an individual to be able to stand in front of an audience and pronounce that gravity has no effect on them.
Whatevz, it’s just my two cents which are of diminishing worth…
Though I’m not clear on the fecklessness of that event exactly. Seems to me to have been a fairly unprecedented thing, that one. And he figured out the necessity pretty quick, all in all, where Lindsey and Jim Leach and that Transportation One still haven’t figured it out.
I just think it reveals the lack of a Plan, sdferr, and quite early on.
Bob, I’m maybe more in the camp of Science = Beer refrigerators, but that’s because I’m less gentleman than moron.
sdferr,
You are correct. It is a seming misnomer to equate science to social or political studies on a global level-so to speak. There are indeed too many innate variables involved in human nature and behavior to “understand” them in the way that actual science “understands” physical phenomena.
And despite the ad infinatum use of fuzzy math devices and statistical studies to desperately find correlation between theory and reality, ultimately the extrapolation is problematic…
What’s the old cliche? Figures don’t lie, but liars figure!
These alleged sciences should be looked at as historical studies instead; since it is possible to learn from the experience. But, those who would try to legitimize their claims by resorting to calling it “science”, with all of the ocncomitant affirmation and intellectual gravitas associated with that sweeping identity, are often looking to fool us all, as you mention…
Okay, gotcha, sdferr. What you’re saying is that science isn’t the proper tool for everything, right? Agreed. For instance, science isn’t necessarily the best way to reason about the Mona Lisa or the philosophical foundations of political systems.
We’re on the same page, Bob, and your personal two cents have resisted inflation quite nicely.
Thermodynamics makes beer refrigerators work sdferr, and look on brewmasters as erstwhile chemists!
“Whatevz, it’s just my two cents which are of diminishing worth…”
Horse-hockey Bob,
Your two cents are priceless in my book.
But hf, the lack of a plan isn’t surprising to me, given the density of the lie propounded at the time. The knee-jerk response to an offer from the President of the United States made sense. Discovering the depth of the lie, facing it, and responding to it fruitfully couldn’t have been easy.
Three cheers for Michael Faraday and the Michael Faradays now extant. Hip hip, hooray! Hip hip, hooray! Hip hip, hooray!
you’re nice. But I think there should have been a songbook to sing from. If I were Michael Steele there would have been.
It’s unforgivable that there was no songbook, given what was at stake.
We knew about the depthyness.
We all did.
Except maybe Cynn.
I wonder, ‘feets, do the Dems seem like enviable paragons of savvy and intelligence to you? ‘Cause we’re not fighting the love child of Audrey Hepburn and Euler, we’re fighting Nancy Pelosi.
If I listened to all this noise, I’d expect the Dems to pick up +50 seats in the House in November.
Does culture influence language, or is the reverse true, or is it more synergistic?
I know you’re not addressing the Nishi vs. Jeff question directly, but just in case anyone missed it…
…the fact that the locus of meaning resides in the intent of the speaker rather than in the interpretation of the listener is immutable and not subject to change.
Culture influences language.
Leftists, OTOH, like to think that language can change culture, hence the ever-changing euphemisms, the political correctness, and the removal of the masculine pronoun’s double duty. (You can no longer say “Ask the client for his account number” and have it apply to both men and women.)
Silly leftists. They believe that by changing the language they can change the culture. Which they do, just not in the direction they necessarily intended.
They might concede that “sexist” language became that way when culture influenced language, but they also think that it can work in reverse.
Yet another instance of the Left confusing cause and effect: “Hey, it turns out that people who own their own homes are better citizens: more stable, more responsible… So let’s make it easier to own a home!”
Swedish, BTW, has something like four linguistic genders (feminine, masculine, neuter, sumthin else), whereas Chinese has none. And Inuit doesn’t have 100 words for “snow.”
Exactly bh,
The only thing science can tell us about the Mona Lisa are facts pertaining to chemical content and other material make-ups, any micro-level topagraphical analysis of the surface, and perhaps on how ligt refracts from it’s surface to the eye of the beholder.
But, it cannot declare it beautiful, nor quantify the essence of humanity captured in the moment immortalized.
It’s true, we did. But then we aren’t of that place, Washington DC land of political operators, who can’t operate without they take the other lying bastard at his word because they too are lying bastards expecting to be taken at theirs most times. It’s a convoluted place, that place.
They have a media. Team R doesn’t. Someone has to work hard to compensate.
Traditionally that was the job Michael Steele is now holding. I’m not sure who’s responsible for it now.
“Horse-hockey Bob”
Well thanks Danger,
That saying makes me smile. It reminds me of the gruff character of Colonel Potter from the TV show MASH during my teenage days. I’m seeing the image of him roaring those words at someone taller than him right now!
Ah the wayback machine get’s you when you least expect it, eh?
They do have a media. And evershallbeworldwithoutend, AMEN.
Which is why I find myself wishing hopelessly that someone will simply konk Andrea Mitchell over the head with a priceless vase one day.
I’m made to wonder whether these effects are attributable to Science as such or are merely a function of idiosyncrasies of those peculiar proponents gone astray somewhere, somehow?
Science the discipline (with the scientific method) is NOT vulnerable to the garbage that the warm-ongers are pushing. Science requires three things: rigor, rigor, and rigor, all of which are absent in AGW studies.
The problem is with scientists who willfully abandon the proper methodology to further a particular end. For example, Bill Nye the Science Guy has allowed something else to be more important to him than Science; whether it’s a cynical ideological push, a man-crush on Al Gore, or misplaced trust in other scientists I don’t know, but Science, like TRVTH, cannot be served except as a top priority.
No man can serve two masters and all that.
There is no area of inquiry or activity on this earth that is so pure, so foolproof, so reliable that humans can’t corrupt it with their love of things other than TRVTH.
Well, that must be why Obama has an approval rating of 80%, their legislative priorities are popular and they’re looking at gaining even more seats in the House and Senate.
Does not compute.
Team R took Teddy Kennedy’s seat in Mass.
Yet, we are hopelessly fucked and they are invincible.
Does not compute.
“Science the discipline (with the scientific method) is NOT vulnerable to the garbage that the warm-ongers are pushing. Science requires three things: rigor, rigor, and rigor, all of which are absent in AGW studies.”
See dicentra, I think this may be where you and I have differences about the world and what the world is. So far as I can tell, there just isn’t anything like science as discipline apart from the fallible people who do it. Which is what bestirs the question.
I just saw this…
But when the what’s coming gets mixed into our practicing, we start paying some attention, looking for practical fixes to these annoying disturbances to our steady practice. Team D is in for a nasty raft of defections, is what I’m thinking, if the evils they’re foisting on the country get passed and take effect. There’s always a piper to be paid, the shame of it is having to pay after the tune turns out to have been so shitty. What a waste, we’ll say.
I’m not at all sure… I think there’s a coming purge among the dirty socialists. And I think that purge and any attendant defections will redound to the lefting of Team R.
Everybody take two steps left, please.
Welcome to post America America.
You can’t move the country right with the levers at Team R’s disposal… mostly you can just say No.
Unless they were to listen to Barone.
But this is John McCain’s Team R we’re talking about.
Hey Bob,
What’s your take on Gov Christi? Is he Big league material or is it too early to tell? (hope I didn’t miss something I’m trying to catch up on the comments
See dicentra, I think this may be where you and I have differences about the world and what the world is. So far as I can tell, there just isn’t anything like science as discipline apart from the fallible people who do it. Which is what bestirs the question.
I am being a bit positivistic in my definition of Science the Discipline, an instrument by which we CAN learn TRVTH.
On the other hand, science the field is only as good as the people in it. Which means that you have to accept most propositions provisionally, because all of our propositions are based on incomplete knowledge.
The AGW crowd uses the appearance of science to promote lies. On the other hand, when scientists put The Method first and excercise rigor, rigor, and rigor, we end up with footprints on the moon.
Will we ever know exactly how the universe came into being? Probably not. Can we understand the periodic table of elements? Fairly well.
Look, I agree with Barone, ‘feets.
I just don’t take this maximalist approach to everything that is less than optimal. Sometimes less than 1 is .98 or .74 rather than always being .08 or .01.
hf, you’re getting at the kind of demographic change rumored to have taken place in New Hampshire on account of the people who left Mass to move there and bring their stupidities with them? That sort of move left? or otherwise?
heez a fatty lulz
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But happyfeet,
You are currently using the only media that “team R” can really exploit-other than some commentators on Fox; and it speaks volumes to the lack of central control of any “narrative”. The legacy media that “team D” is getting the last useful work out of is on it’s way out. Not only are people suspicious of, and finally seeing, the inherent bias of the so-called journalists and their medium, but with the exception of Fox they are turning them off…
Did you know that MSNBC and CNN combined have less viewers than the Cartoon network? MSNBC is #26, CNN is #32, Cartoon network is #13. And the reviled and hated Fox? #2. Not surprising since they are the only balanced hard news source that doesn’t subscribe to a “narrative” (again, I’m not talking about the commentators like Hannity now); which is why they are so despised by the proggy left. And, it’s part of why Obama resorted to giving them a little time on Wednesday night-although Bush usually gave adversarial networks more than a 15 minute window of opportunity, just classier I guess…
But the majority of folks are recognizing the attemots to shape their opinions and are rejecting it overall. And the number of players on the ‘net also precludes any “narrative” like the one used to inspire the Obama cult…
In fact, instead of narratives, let’s rely on truths for a change; tell people the truth, which is not to say don’t expose the lies inherent in “team D’s” narratives…
And also, can we stop the Palin bashing? People are getting upset over the personal nature of the characterizations you’re using for her. And I don’t like to see us at each other’s throats; instead of disagreeing in civil manner.
Let’s try talking about who we like, instead of who we hate. How about Representative Ryan? He’s sharp, and got so many facts and such truth with him that, “he don’t need no stinkin narrative!”…
It’s only advice, my friend, but let’s try and move in positive directions instead of fragmenting ones.
that’s probably the kind I mean sdferr… all I know is the future is bleak and limned with despair… a dismal dirty socialist despair redolent of ashes.
rip rip, gnash gnash, wail wail I think.
there will still be tasty fruit pies though.
Danger, I like Governor Christi.
He’s willing to call a spade, a spade, so to speak. He ran on lowering taxes from the breathtaking levels that Corozine had raised them to; a staggering rate, comparable to New York, that many people are not aware of outside of the state. And while Corozine talked about leasing the turnpike to a private company, and other crazy sounding revenue schemes, Christi is taking on the problem head on. By having the stones to cut spending, and to cut the number of state employees…
It remains to be seen whether he’s successful at it; I wish him the best. I also like McDonnell of Virginia. But I’ve got my on Represantative Ryan as of late.
I’ll toss out Mitch Daniels again and then say later, all. Someone thought it would be funny to wait for late Friday to email me the stuff I needed for some work.
I love Paul Ryan! Even though he’s lifey. He was a market researcher!
He’s what passes for a hero to me these days.
Palin was an epiphany, Bob. My parents would have been mortified I think to see the prominence she’s achieved.
Did I ever tell you… I didn’t. Mom voted for McCain absentee, but I remember earlier talking to her on the phone – I was enthusiastic about the Alaska a governor lady what Meghan’s daddy had picked to run with him.
She said well I don’t think there’s a whole lot there.
She knew. Right off the bat she had Sarah Palin’s number.
It took me many many moons to see what she saw.
Mitch Daniels is an abandoned bomb shelter full of tasty canned peaches in a blasted post-apocalyptic landscape what offers succor to weary travelers I think.
*Alaska governor lady* is all that should say
Daniels/Ryan
Daniels/Ryan is America.
I put Ryan in the same league as Reagan, but he needs to develop a little more public “style” to be effective against a charismatic demagogue like Obama; as well as some foreign policy chops. But I would take a guy like him with simply a good understanding of, or good ideas about, foreign policy. And anyway, after being flim-flammed and bamboozled for 4 years, who’s to say the public might not be tired of charismatics types by then. Obama could sour them to that kind of personality.
Reagan didn’t have any foreign policy experience either…But he sure did better than OK as President.
I’m likin’ Paul Ryan a lot already, better than any of the convenional wisdom, usual suspects, like Huck or Mitt. He don’t need narratives when he’s got the truth.
But I’ll keep an open mind and listen before jumping to any conclusions. I would council all to do the same.
I aim to precipitously and quite desperately latch onto Mitch Daniels and then after he doesn’t get the nomination I’ll have an episode.
But, you know, don’t get all “Sunset Boulevard” crazee during your episode. Just limit it to swearing and recriminations…No hallucinating, OK? Unless you decide to go on a vision quest or something…
6% of scientists are republicans.
that means, for the math challenged, that 94% of scientists are NOT-republican.
selection by IQ gradient do you think? Or something else?
do you know what else Dr. Pournelle and I were right about, ‘feets?
the 40percenters and NCLB.
Obama is going to make junior colleges into voc-ed schools and NCLB will be scrapped to the junkyard of stupid conservative failmemes.
ineffable sweetness.
I was mighty impressed with Ryan’s performance/smackdown of Obama at the healthcare summit Bob. I’m also a big fan of Doc Coburn but a successful Governor that can turn a quagmire like New Jersey around would be hard to resist.
Feets,
You should show us some reasons to share the Daniels Love cause if you wait for the media to publicize his accomplishments… Well, lets just use Fred Thompson as our history lesson for the day.
Nice one Danger,
I like the cut of Dr. Coburn’s jib. I just get the impression that he’s not interested in running for President, nor even for staying in the Senate many more terms…
It’s unfortunate, because he also calls-em-like-he-sees-em.
for those of you that don’t ‘member…..NCLB mandated that all children in america SHALL BE PROFICIENT== above average.
that retard Bush….that is simply impossible, given the bell curve of IQ.
so what NCLB has done……is to lower the mean artificially…..lowering standards.
a gift for your children, hamstringing them in the global market of education.
:)
“6% of scientists are republicans.
that means, for the math challenged, that 94% of scientists are NOT-republican.”
Of course for the factually challenged we have BOB REED!
So check mate BIOTCH!!!
schools have been forced to teach to the test…..that is how the standards were lowered.
are you familiar with Campbell’s Law?
you should google it.
Yeah nishi, we’re gonna need some links on the anecdotes you’re tossing around. I personally have met very few liberal scientist in the aerospace disciplines I’ve worked in. And in the DC vicinity, in government work, no less. Admittedly it was DOD…
Oh and good luck with the co-opting of the student loans. There will certainly be court challenges there; not only based on nationalizing the business, but for detailing what people can do with the money they get from financial institutions…
Gee, maybe your boy O! gab gin up the resentment machine and finger “BIG EDUCATION” as one of the eeeeeevvolll institutions in our society. I mean, is it fair that Harvard is allowed to keep the money they’ve been endowed with? Or that professers make such large salaries for such little perfoemance based work?
Coburn is useful where he is, no?
NCLB I didn’t care. Good schools are good schools and bad schools are bad schools and Washington D.C. is much less a factor in all of it than it fancies itself to be I think.
But education has to change up in a fairly fundamental way every 5-10 years to rationalize all the parasites, so now it’s the little president man’s turn is all.
there is a stultifying amount of teaching to the test going on… I wonder if I wouldn’t bail asap with a GED if I were subjected to public schools these days.
Probably not if I wasn’t clever enough to do that the first time around.
I have another prediction, feets……HCR is going to pass.
and you will never be able to repeal it.
like medicare or civil rights….even if you “take back congress”.
republicans filibustered civil rights legislation for 57 days.
i think, personally, Obama should have let republicans do that again.
so the country can see you are still retarded racist assholes at heart.
that’s a lie nishi,
Schools were forced to pass all kinds of kids that could neither read, write, nor cipher since they had been exposed to social justice indoctrination and the politically correct version of history and science instead of, you know, actual learning. And let’s not get started about the criminal soft bigotry of low expectations that many inner-city and minority kids have suffered at the hands of the proclaimed multi-culti bunch…
All of those NEA and AFT members proclaim them proficient and graduated, so that their personal stats look good and they keep their phony-baloney jobs.
Besides, Euro-socialists like yourself should love the “teach-to-the-test” model; it’s how they do it in the rest of the world! And before you start denying it, I went to college and grad school with quite a few foreign student, who self-admittedly could not think out of the example-problem box because of the way their primary and secondary schooling had been geared…
I didn’t care for no child left behind, nor the inflation of the dept of Ed to accomodate it. But then, I’m willing to admit that the teachers unions and local administrators padded the statistics to make them feel good about themselves and look like they were pedagogical successes…
I fear you’re right about HCR. Permit be a few waning hours of hope.
but I think just one Team R person was part of that filibuster.
But there’s no injustice in opposing “health care reform” I don’t think. It’s not a good thing for our little country I don’t think.
Bob Reed, the EVIL instutions are the loan sharks profiteering off student loans as middlemen.
Obama just cut them and their employees out of the loop, saving a buncha money.
also, too…..anectdotal data is not useful……PEW says 6% of scientists are republicans…… everybody knows that!
/wicked grin
All those good Democrat voting Jews are getting a severe lesson in racism these days. Good for them, huh? Betcha they’re not a little surprised where it’s coming from though. Heh.
“republicans filibustered civil rights legislation for 57 days”
That’s a lie Nishi; it was souther Democrats…
“Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.”
http://tiny.cc/WJZVL
Just where are you getting all your talking points from; because they are not reality based-that’s for sure…
What the little president man is doing on Israel is undignified I think.
republicans filibustered civil rights legislation for 57 days.
That is an absolute lie. Evidently, nishi knows as little about history as she does about politics, religion, and science. It’s rather funny how she posits herself as a genius, since nearly every comment she posts emanates from the left side of the bell curve.
Oops, Bob beat me to it.
Sure Nishi…
You’re own feeble google link says that 55% identify as Dems-a far cry from the 94% you claimed. And I question the extrapolation of the sample group. You know what that means, right?
And why the “loan-shark” talk, are you tired of repaying your student loans? College should be free then right?
I think your argument is better directed at eeeeeevvoollll BIG EDUCATION!
I have a lot of euro-friends.
the european system is tracked….testing separates academe and voc-ed potential at an early age.
what Obama is doing is devilishly clever…he is not forcing a tracked system….he is making voc-ed cool.
graduate a year early, attend a 2year junior college, and be out making good money while the four-year lib arts tools are still slaving away for 3 more years of college…or 7 or 8 for doctors and lawyers.
pretty slick.
Not just a Genius! Mike… A SOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPER GENIUS!
Kinda like Wile E. Coyote was; know what I’m sayin?
B Moe says 100% of nishi’s are clueless.
You haven’t answered my question, either. What is the evolutionary expectations for a species that sacrifices the producers to protect the nonproductive?
Does it say what percent of engineers are Republicans? You know what an engineer is, right? Like a scientist only their shit has to actually work?
“…the european system is tracked….testing separates academe and voc-ed potential at an early age…”
So, it’s better that the state decide what your place in the hierarchy of professions will be when you are, say 6, than you deciding on your own, right? I know a few Europeans too nishi. I knew one that had been “tracked” for Voc-ed. He spent years learning welding. He hated it, wanted to be a math teacher. So he saved his money and took a few years off to go to teaching school…
The system really worked there, didn’t it…Pretty slick…
One question that hasn’t been answered is whether Obama will curl up in a fetal-ball like Uncle Joe at the inception of Barbarossa, when the missiles start flying across the Persian Gulf Bob. I’m putting my money on oopsie, this guy is a loser. Then what, do you think?
“55% identify as Dems-a far cry from the 94% you claimed. ”
i SAID 94% ARE NOT-REPUBLICANS
i never said they were all dems.
yup, sad how far the republicans have fallen isnt it?
once the party of liberty, now racist assholes clinging desperately to the status quo.
i should have said, the southern racists filibustered civil rights just like modern republican racists would filibuster HCR.
better?
but i dont think Obama hatred is all racism…..you relly hate him because he is an intellectual and if your children go to college they will turn liberal, just like me.
Kinda like Wile E. Coyote was; know what I’m sayin?
Beep Beep!
but i dont think Obama hatred is all racism…..you relly hate him because he is an intellectual and if your children eat ecstasy like fucking M&Ms they will turn liberal, just like me.
i dont think
Smartest thing you’ve said all day, nishi.
I like the increased emphasis on vo-tech.
The details of these little president man proposals tend to skew to the squirrely though I’ve noticed.
Man as much fun as it is to watch a Kingslayer slayed I must turn in.
Be sure and tip the host folks and send more of those volleys in D.C.’s direction.
G’night all.
squirrely and spensive… I’m pretty sure there’s a new entitlement or seven tucked in there somewhere, nishi
Nishit lies as easily as it breathes. Fucking lying cunt.
sdferr,
I fear that you are correct about Obama; he will need “time” to think about his response; time enough for the damage to be done-especially if we’re talking nuclear weapons. And, more pointedly, I suspect that part of his overall agenda includes the emasculization of Israel as well as the US.
Why else would he cancel the development of the airborne laser missile defense system; especially after it has been so wildly successful in testing? This is a sore subject with me. I never thought I’d use these words in my lifetime, but it’s worse than Carter!
I don’t think she is lying JD, I think she is just that clueless.
The little president man is not forcing a tracked system she said Bob…
there’s a lot of people that go to traditional college that shouldn’t… and these days tehre are wonderful things you can accomplish on that track
and most of them lead towards union membership, which is probably the whole point of it all, really.
You have to think like the little president man.
I really don’t enjoy saying this, Bob, but before he is done I think he is going to have worst President ever sewed up. I really don’t see him getting out of office before one of these foreign policy mines they are laying goes off.
Where exactly in the Constitution does it say the President is supposed to design a National Education System? And why is this necessary or good?
Mines B Moe? I thought they were supposed to be pretty pastel Easter Eggs. Huh, musta been somethin’ about that translation.
And, more pointedly, I suspect that part of his overall agenda includes the emasculization of Israel as well as the US.
this is how you think like the little president man…
Well done.
hmm…..southerners are racists, whether dem or repub?
is that a tautology?
B Moes, we have discussed this before.
Evo theory of culture 101.
Societies are not shaped by culture as much as they shape culture according to their needs.
When blacks and women got the vote, they became citizens, with citizen-rights.
So culture is evolving to meet those needs.
how do we get people to where they need freedom again?
our society needs ephedrine like mad and we all know what happened there
damn you dirty apes
And you’re proof then nishi, that Rethugs! are racist assholes then?
But you are correct about your verbage on the scientists; way to leave the weasel room, and to couch half the truth in a disingenuous statement. I hear the white house is hiring your kind of folks…
“you relly hate him because he is an intellectual and if your children go to college they will turn liberal, just like me.
Because he’s an intellectual? lulz, nothing could be farther from the truth. http://tiny.cc/YFBJB
And you’re right about some people fearing what effect college will have on theor kids minds; because in most of the liberal arts core classes are more about liberal indoctrination than, you know, actual learning. That’s how you turned out the way you are…
Because it couldn’t be about embryonic stem cells. I mean the consensus is that they aren’t necessary because IPSC’s are more widely available and perhaps more useful…
Nishit is in one of its lying demented cunty feedback loops.
happyfeet, when I mentioned a tracked system it was in reference to an exchenge with nishi regarding European style education systems.
I too believe that a lot of people attend colleges that would do better in vocational fields; especially nursing. Not only cheapen everyone elses degree, but deprives us of folks in the trades and other useful fields.
lol ‘feets, aligning with Hagee now?
are you all pre-tribs like Palin?
Israel IS conservative….they want to preseve the status quo….even if it is a forever war that is getting american soljahs killed.
they are just like real murrican conservatives.
too dim to see the writing on the wall.
either there will be a two-state solution, or there will be no Israel.
thems the facts, jack.
;)
Nishi, I’m mostly a lurker and newbie commenter, but I’ve been here long enough to read a lot of your comments.
let me talk to you college student to college student. I’m female. I’m from Texas. I lean libertarian. Do you not see that this massive HCR/Student Loan Bill will;
a) give the Government (present and future) the ability to tell you how to think, what to think, what to eat, drink, smoke/not smoke, basically How to treat your body. Something a government should never be able to do.
b.) with the economy tanking and unemployment on the rise, we can’t pay for this. CAN NOT PAY for this.
It has nothing to do with calling republicans or southerners racists or hicks or idiots.
Please tell me you understand this basic logic.
Ha-has, Jews alive counts for status quo ante! silly Jews.
“southerners are racists, whether dem or repub?
is that a tautology?”
Sorry, fail…Try again please. I’m a southerner, and am no racists; either by identity politics card playerz definition nor by affiliation. You see, my Grandma was full blood Cherokee, and I spent many years in the service of one of the most diverse organizations there is; the US Navy.
She sees. She approves.
see Bob? that is the anti-scientific position.
Real scientists know that aSCR and eSCR are COMPLIMENTARY, not COMPETITIVE.
aSCs are better for organ replacement because they solve the rejection problem, but aSCs are useless for disease modelling and anti-scenescense research, because of telomere length.
so anyone that says aSCs REPLACE eSCs is simply ignorant…..or willfully stupid.
;)
“even if it is a forever war that is getting american soljahs killed.”
A talking point straight from the Columbia U/Edward Said/Barack Obama/Jew Haters handbook…
Next
I’ll be back later folks to check in. Friday nights in lent is for Stations of the Cross for us eeeeeevvvollll Catholics that love to oppress women, natives, and minorities…
See you in an hour or so!
baxtrice, republicans are liars now.
they lied about stem cells, they are lying about reconciliation, they lie lie lie….what contempt they hold the intelligence of their base in!
it is simply breathtaking.
lol Bob Reed, how about that pederast Pope, Benedict the Bad Shepherd?
hahahaha
I don’t understand all that.
I think the status quo is just fine. Interminable peace talks til the end of time is the best solution.
Instead of cracking down on Israel we should send them one of those bouquets made out of fruit. Those are festive and good for you.
Probably.
You kinda just have to trust that everybody involved washed their hands I guess.
a talking point from your one time Gen. Petraeus, ekshually.
Oh, one last thing. Links for 528 Nishi? ‘Cuz I’m definately not anti-science, nor am I ill informed on the stem cell question. Advances have rendered the more expensive eSCR moot…
Its hatred for the Jooooooooos fits in quite well with nishi’s lurv for eugenics and genetic engineering and genocide.
nishi, I don’t give a sh*t about republicans. I care about runaway government power. and ALL of our current pols lie and hold their base in contempt. It is solely for power. the entire US Congress/Senate/Presidency is breathtaking in it’s corruption.
Has Hagee said things recently? He fell off my radar I can’t even say when.
Hey JD, lay off man! Antisemitism has it’s uses, and Barry knows best dontcha know.
Catholics that love to oppress women, natives, and minorities…
and children…..you forgot children.
the entire Republican party may be corrupt to the core, that doesn’t shake my principles that Government is not the answer and that we are the people that should vote the bastards out. Dubya was a letdown to me, but his mistakes didn’t make me want MORE government power. I didn’t switch to democrat because he sucked. My principles on small government stood long before I knew who Dubya was. It’s not the politicians we should look to, but the principles we hold and value.
/man I sound like Glenn Beck!!!! hahahahaha
and i was talking about this filibuster….in 1964.
Did I ever mention that nishit is one of the most vile dishonest lying cunts ever to walk this earth? I would not piss in her mouth if she was one fire. If you ever want to castrate Barcky, kick nishit in the chin. That is all. She is a fucking monster. Okay, that is all. And she is a lying liar what tells lies lies lies. Really, that is all.
Why isn’t elimination of the Palestinians an option? Because they don’t exist to begin with?
If you could gamble on blog commenting, I would swear that nishi was taking a dive.
#542 would prove it.
I know a lot of Catholics who would disagree…
You are probably not an idiot who can’t tell the difference between science, science fiction and fashion, either.
1964 was more moons ago than I’ve seen my whole life
Anti-Catholic and anti-semitic…nice combo ya got there, nishi. And you have the nerve to call conservatives bigots.
Is there some kind of award that goes with not being an idiot? I could really use a new trophy. :)
baxtrice Bush grew the government.
everone grows the government.
if you are going to cut the government, you will lose….because people want services.
“cut the government” is just cloaking for Obama is an uppity nigra that is going to take your shit an give it to his homeboiz.
if the repubs get in they will grow government just like Bush did.
Hayek was wrong…the welfare doesnt lead to socialism…..it leads to secualrism.
Once upon a time the small government federalist model worked just fine.
Then blacks and women got the vote.
the federal government was forced to intervene to deliver civil rights and civil welfare at the state and local level.
do you know who was the previous local welfare provider?
churches….so when the feds brought in civil welfare for the excluded minorities….they began to drive the churches out of business.
federal welfare is cheaper and far less stimatized than christian charity….doesnt require church attendance or good behavior.
so the local churches are being outcompeted.
capitalisma si!
the welfare STATE
lawl.
and i was talking about this filibuster….in 1964.
Right, because a filibuster by an ex-Klansman Democrat proves that Republicans are racists. Moron.
Nope. Just playing tic tac toe at a chess tournament.l
that rings true really, about the churches and all
and I don’t think Team R is something you would look to with hope sparkling in your wide innocent eyes if you really wanted limited government
I won’t believe that til Meghan’s coward daddy writes up a bill to give me my ephedrine back.
Going to be hated now.
Vocational
“of or relating to a vocation or occupation; especially providing or undergoing training in special skills;”
“of or pertaining to a vocation; that provides a special skill rather than academic knowledge”
“Of, or relating to, an occupation/employment; (of education or training) directed at an occupation and its skills”
Doctor, occupation. Lawyer, occupation. Engineer, occupation. Professor, occupation. Business manager, occupation. I submit that most of our entire system of Universities is setup to produce “vocational education”. Liberal arts being the exception.
after this bullshit – cut the gov’t win elections
ROFL!
OMG! I been stimatized!! It wasn’t cheaper than the churches, you dimwit, churches did it with volunteer labor, the government does it with huge, unionized bureaucracies. What it did was free up an assload of the churches time and money to get involved with politics and harsh your mellow all to fucking hell.
Unintended consequences r teh suxxorz, lulz.
Again, the Muslim is castigating Catholics? Fuck, fuck, fuck. The bitch is a loon.
You mean all those black Baptist churches were excluding their own? What, in favor of needy whites?
if it wasn’t for the abortings the Catholic Church would be on Team Dirty Socialist Health Care quicker than you can say please to not be on the Team Dirty Socialist Health Care, Catholic Church peoples
Yep — that Catholic-hate is just the thing to win over the Latino vote.
dicentra already said how Latino Catholics are different
Don’t you wonder whether Moslems would disagree with any such characterization of this one OI? I don’t think they’re gonna be takers really. They might recognize the kindred Jew-hate, but the rest of the piddle will pretty much look like piddle to them, I’d bet. No thanks, I imagine them saying, that one ain’t one o’ ours, you keep it.
nishi is my second-favorite muslim person after my odmf M
So when you insult their church they don’t care?
Don’t be such an ass.
I don’t think they’re as prickly as the white ones.
gotta love those Jew-haters for reals, they’re always ahead of the curves in the death highway, lookin’ for how to get their kill on.
Hatin’ on some Jooooooooooos is the natural next step in nishit’s devolution.
they shine your shoes quietly the way you proggs like
Whaa? I’m a staunch conservative, newrouter.
you’re conserving whaa?
stuff
Does stanch conservative mean libertarian now ?
well, if you’re gonna get all parsey
Conserving our right to ephedrine.
Pretty sure that was in Hobbes. He might have called it Chinese Devil root or something though.
But for reals I think you should leave your campground cleaner than you found it.
It’s a very real concern, bh… and both cowardly and arrogant on the part of the banners.
I think Orin Hatch was heavily involved.
*Orrin* I mean…
It’s always nice when they have their priorities in order, ‘feets. I mean, anytime a fat kid dies doing two-a-days in August, the federal government must act!
Oh yeah, they also must fix the BCS system. The very Republic is at stake!
And look into steroids with baseball and make sure children never see adults smoke in movies.
Good thing we don’t have any actual problems.
the epa?
““cut the government” is just cloaking for Obama is an uppity nigra that is going to take your shit an give it to his homeboiz.”
A lie, but it is true that Obama and his cult followers are lamprous redistributionists…
“Hayek was wrong…the welfare doesnt lead to socialism…..it leads to secualrism.”
No Nishi, Hayek was correct. And for socialism to progress to it’s logical ends, society must become almost completely secular; you know, eliminate “the opiate of the masses”…Just like in the former USSR…
“do you know who was the previous local welfare provider?
churches….so when the feds brought in civil welfare for the excluded minorities….they began to drive the churches out of business.
federal welfare is cheaper and far less stimatized than christian charity….doesnt require church attendance or good behavior.
Do you actually believe this tripe, or just spout it for the lulz? There is no way that federal welfare is cheaper than the private charities; the charities were supplying the money! What the welfare state does do well is provide a handy group of individuals that will generally always be disposed to vote in favor of expanding the government’s power and/or always be beholden to the politicians, their masters/betters, who are providing the largess. How long do you think those programs would survive if all of those accepting welfare did so at the expense of their rights to vote in electing congressional and Presidential elections? Only until the Democrats found a new special interest group to pander to…
About the only thing you are right is that welfare is not dependant on good behavior! And neither by the way, was a lot of the charity administered by private groups. But perhaps along with surrendering the right to vote in federal elections, people should lose their redistributed cash if they are convicted of a crime. Why subsidize anti-social behavior?
Unrelated to all, if you like this sort of rock documentary, this is the sort of rock documentary you’ll like. I’m enjoying it.
I think nishi’s overall point that government welfare usurped the church in areas and led to a diminished churchy relevance is kind of inarguable.
happyfeet,
That’s part of what has lead us to the point wher ewe are; where morality is subjective and relative, and where ethics are situational at best.
I don’t understand.
I’m reminded of what di said earlier…
brb
Comment by Nishi the Kingslayer on 3/19 @ 4:14 pm
Kate Mengele treats history like everything else … a fantasy land of her own making.
NCLB was Ted Kennedy’s brainfart.
and it was sold to Republicans as “if a school takes Fed money, then they have to show X”
Ever since Jhimmi Carter, the worthless one, established the Department of Education millions and millions of Fed dollars have made education worse. So NCLB was just more of the SOS.
Kate is a genetic deadend barbarian. Thank you for not breeding, gestationphobe.
“What we have here is a fundamental conflict of visions, to borrow a phrase from Thomas Sowell. One side believes that people are born into their station in life and it is the government’s job to make their miserable lives a little better. Indeed, it is the natural order of things for the government to provide jobs, health care, homes to the people. If you object to this concept of government, it must be because you want to “punish” the downtrodden and discriminated. You must be animated by racism, sexism, greed, “fascism!”
The other side says that our rights come from God, not from government. That while the government has an obligation to promote the general welfare, it doesn’t have a holy writ to design the nation as it sees fit. The Constitution is not a coupon insert in your local paper, brimming with all sorts of giveaways and two-for-one deals. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights delineate what the government cannot do, not what it can. What was so fantastic and revolutionary about that is that for the first time in history, a nation was founded on the proposition that the government should mind its own business. Believing that doesn’t make you a fascist, it makes you a patriot. ”
-Jonah Goldberg-
http://tinyurl.com/yh4jcg6
that resonates a little
I’ll go with door #2, Bob.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/19 @ 5:59 pm #
I don’t think they’re as prickly as the white ones.
Funny how “Hispanic” “Latino” et al never existed until European Spaniards mixed with Indian population. Funny how a significant percentage of “Latinos” identify their “race” as “white.”
Just who are the bigots here again?
happyfeet,
I’m talking your comment regarding the diminished relevence of the church. And how that is part of what’s led to widespread moral relativism and situational ethics…
Door #2 for me too, hf…
Hispanics are white. In most data sets I use anyway.
But if you know anything about Catholicism like I do, you’ll know that some white Catholics have sort of sneered at Hispanic Catholics as being Catholic in name only forever and ever, and there’s data that suggest some troof to that.
I see Bob… I just meant that nishi was right that the two are in a sort of competition.
When I was in college I wrote a short story about a homeless guy who came across a puppy and found it drastically increased his donations. Along the way, of course, he came to love the puppy. Unfortunately the puppy got sick and he had to spend all of his new money to bring it to a vet. The puppy died anyways and he was left with nothing but a broken heart.
Definitely on topic. No, seriously.
yo progg prove it. or stick a swiss cake roll up you’re ass.
I’ll part with the movie rights for front end points.
your
here’s a good example newrouter… I found it on the Internet!
oh… that’s not a good example really
brb
here’s a discussion about it
here’s the suggestive data part
Maybe they should try some advertising.
Unfortunately you make a good point there. There are places in our country where I’ve been mistaked for a latino. One of those places was in Kirksville Missouri, while visiting one of my cousins.
While at Mass I had both amusing and disturbing experiences. The amusing one was that, seeing me in the audience one day at daily Mass, the priest began to repeat everything in spanish right after he had said it in english; especially amusing since I don’t habla!
The disturbing ones was some of the hard looks and refusal to wish God’s peace to me at the Sunday service. Some men went so far as to stand between me and their families in an attempt to “shield” them from me and intimidate me into not trying to wish God’s peace to them. This show of hatred inside the church was surprising to me…
Granted that there is a lot of tension in that town between the native Missourians and the large Mexican community that had flocked to the town a few years prior. My cousins husband is Mexican by birth, and related some hardship in finding contractors to do work for him. It seems a local real estate businessman who was sore over being outbid on real estate that Neftali bought to build a restaurant on proclaimed to all his contractors, “anyone who works for that spic isn’t going to work for me!” But a few still did, surreptitiously; that being where we found out why others wouldn’t.
They all got a real kick out of the locals mistaking me for a Mexican. At a little over 6 foot 2 and nearly 300 lbs, they considered me too big to be mistaken; unless they thought I was a luchadore…
but yes I was just kidding about knowing anything about Catholicism
there were several Catholic churches in the little town where I grew up in South Texas… let’s leave it at that
andy is a progg like you
oh… #609 was acknowledging how there could be tensions, not an amplification of #608
That happened to me in Ventura. I think I said something about the relative occurrence of blue eyed Mexicans to the dude that called me a beaner and then called him a stupid gook, because that’s what he was. Or is, probably.
not. a. progg.
stalwart conservative happyfeet reporting for duty
You know what I heart?
free trade
and tax simplification
and government employees what have to clip coupons and settle for sending their kids to their second-choice colleges
so how much does george soros pay happyidiot to be a spokesdick? are you a lgf lizard too?
conserving whaa?
But if you know anything about Catholicism like I do, you’ll know that some white Catholics have sort of sneered at Hispanic Catholics as being Catholic in name only forever and ever, and there’s data that suggest some troof to that.
Except that my church’s priest is hispanic. The other one is African. Both have very heavy accents. I prefer the African, ’cause he’s a bit funnier. I’ve never noticed any sneering.
Unfortunately, just as there are a large number of “cafeteria” Catholics here in the US, it is moreso the case in many hispanic countries. That’s precisely because their societies have not felt the pressure to become increasingly secular like ours has.
That there have been a great number of protestant evangelists active in hispanic countries is no surprise either. Playing on the “soft” nature of their conviction as a member of the Catholic church, they are recognizing a large number of converts.
All of my cousin’s husband’s family are Pentacostal convert. Thay had been Catholics prior. Anecdotal, perhaps.
The “bill” that the House votes on is a so called “Reconciliation Bill”. It is basically a set of amendments to the Senate passed HCR bill. The “Slaughter Rule” which is with the Reconciliation Bill automatically “deems” the Senate Bill as passed when the Reconciliation Bill passes. With Obama’s signature the Senate bill becomes the law. The Reconciliation Bill becomes, is, nothing unless the Senate also takes it up and passes it as it is and then is signed by the President. Any House member who votes “yes” because of something contained in the Reconciliation Bill, that they think is going to be law, is either too stupid to vote in an election for high school student council or is lying about why they are voting “yes” Like this one…
These on the other hand like the two in California have been/are being bought and will get something because it is simply a bribe payable through other means.
Nice Space Program/Immigration Bill, you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.
God I hate this bunch.
there’s not a lot left to conserve really if you think about it
that little country has roast beef
but our little country has none
Have Io mentioned how much the lifey people are rocking my world right now?
The Democrat ones that is. They may save our little country by not being dumb enough to listen to Granny McRictusface.
Catholicism is simple really. You always pass a few times before someone shoots the ball. Also, don’t smile when you serve for funerals and remember when to say, “and let perpetual light shine upon them.”
That’s pretty funny Pablo…You know, no one seems to make that mistake here in the greater NYC area.
I just thought it was interesting Carin… I tend to think that, like dicentra suggested, there’s an hispanic catholicism that’s distinct in many ways from non-hispanic catholicism
but I don’t know anything about catholicism except what I learned on the mean streets of South Texas and NoHo
you are a progg. this is clear by that statement. applying a philosophy to whaa happens at street level. abort your swiss cake rolls loser.
That’s wonderful I think.
link
I have no intention of aborting my swiss cake rolls.
Not after seeing the ultrasound.
Hey, nishi! Boo!
I don’t think there is a(n) hispanic Catholicism up here in Michigan. I mean, if you’re Catholic and hispanic you just gotta go to the regular old church that everyone else goes to. We all just mix together.
I’ve always thought the difference between Catholics and hispanic Catholics is that they focused a lot more on Mary.
lso, don’t smile when you serve for funerals and remember when to say, “and let perpetual light shine upon them.”
I’ve never said that. Maybe I’m doing it wrong?
dicentra said they like statuary
Well, them is the gender at a funeral, Carin.
Priest: Eternal rest give unto them [him/her, at funeral], O Lord…
Congregation: …and let perpetual light shine upon them.
I must have served fifty funerals when I was a kid.
I think Latino Catholics are less likely to think Notre Dame has a good football team, ‘feets.
I think they better check the new Army field manual about the perpetual light.
Yeah! And if you’ve been agitating for cutting government for years before Obama was a blip on the national radar, that just means you knew he was coming.
Racists.
I got educated, became a liberal, then educated myself more and ran screaming. Your problem, nishi, is that you haven’t yet grown sufficiently.
Or should I say “evolved.”
In short, you’re rather predictable, in terms of plotting political affiliations. Status quo, almost.
ZING!
“I’ve always thought the difference between Catholics and hispanic Catholics is that they focused a lot more on Mary.”
That’s true among Mexican Catholics Carin, but I’m not sure about other nationalities.
Blood sausage and head cheese continue to be made microbrewery style, in front of the window, in plain view. Will anyone wish to eat it after it is finished?
Yeah, but she thinks because she’s flipped, she’s got all the answers. Which, when your life is centered around fiction, is pretty fucking convenient.
It’s your story, tell it the way you want it to come out. Someplace else would be preferable.
I wasn’t paying attention when nishi said she was on our team.
Did she have the same weird affectations then?
From Pablo and Geoff, I’m starting to think I might erect a shrine to Stupak in my front lawn.
How do you read that geoffb? Is the pursuit of Stupak just one avenue among many others, so Nancy is only covering her bases here? Or are he and his gang of yes-turned-noers essential to bring on board, if the stinking thing is going to pass?
I’ve (online) known her forever and she’s always been annoying. Slack previously cut for precociousness has long since worn out. Let’s not forget that she’s a self-proclaimed griefer, shall we?
Thanks, Pablo. It’s just weird. People who make drastic shifts like that. Or, not, if Jeff’s right with the kewlness. Regardless, that’s just uber-flaky.
I think I’d get a scan regardless. Brain lesions.
Here’s one comment that seems to lean “essential”. ht/Insty
I think Stupak and company coming aboard would give her enough if, if she can somehow also hold the pro-abortion Dems. The only way is if the Stupak thing is just a fig leaf cover for him and his, and the others all know it will never pass.
Pelosi is a Speaker for once “herding cats”. The things Obama is doing are making more of an impact because he can use executive orders, his stimulus slush fund, jobs(though that’s illegal) or other non-controversial bills to bribe the hell out of everyone.
I hope all the “Yoopers” understand what their Representative is doing to them when he is pwned by SanFranNan. Brilliant!
Then the relevant question would be whether Stupak is retard enough to believe that the Senate will pass his language while Nancy holds the bill, and that when the Senate doesn’t pass his language the already House passed Senate bill disappears into a black hole created by an unexpected cosmic ray?
If this can somehow be stopped, the upside is that Team R can always use the threat of the Dems ramming it through — regardless of the wishes of their constituents (as they are trying to do here) — to keep them from holding too much power for the foreseeable future.
Team R can run on “vote for me, and that’s one less chance the Dems will have enough power to tell you all to fuck off once they’re in control again.”
I kinda like that slogan. Though I’m open to them delivering it in a sombrero, if it’ll make happyfeet feel better.
oh, hells, if it gets stopped it gets stopped by Democrats. I can already see them touting “We stopped that thing you didn’t like” in their next campaign commercials. Orphaned parentocides got nothin’ on these people.
sombreros are never not festive
Waving the “blood sausage” flag.
Bh – that twit/twat nishit was never one of us, she never flipped … She was, has been, is, and always will be a fucking secprogg.
I pray for that to be able to happen. However, with what we have seen I don’t think this can be stopped.
Between Obama and Pelosi they have shown all the Dem. Reps just how far they will go. Dustbowl your district. Relocate/remove the major employer in your district, even if it has been there with huge and expensive infrastructure for decades.
There aren’t any “Cool Hand Lukes’s” among the Democrats. The Party doesn’t select for that type. Everybody is going to “get their mind right” before this saga is done.
I don’t think they’re as prickly as the white ones.
I’m pretty sure I included the part where Being Catholic in Latinoamérica is a type of quasi-patriotism more than a path to holiness.
They DON’T take kindly to your insulting Catholicism if they strongly identify with it. (Some are Catholic in name only and don’t give a rip.) They take even LESS kindly to insulting their homeland.
dude, you are one fatalistic son of a gun
heh
hey loseintheloafersfeet do you ever debate? or just masturbate?
Probably on the downswing in my peculiar tri-polar disorder. Being three dementional in a one and two dementional world has a downside. ;-)
HISPANIC CATHOLICS in North America are abandoning their church at the rate of 60,000 a year, according to Andrew M. Greeley.
Not surprised. The Catholic church got lazy in Latinoamérica on account of its official status, and it neglected to actually teach people how they ought to live beyond not eating meat on Fridays and things like that.
On my mission, I ran into maybe 5 Catholics who knew their catechism to any degree: the rest were so clueless they often mistook us for Catholic nuns (women, not men) because our name tags read “Hermana X.” (The name of the church was also there, but they didn’t pay attention.)
One family got halfway through the Book of Mormon before they said, “Wait. You guys aren’t Catholic? Oh, well, then we’re not interested.”
People who converted away from Catholicism would always tell us that they wanted to know how to read and study the Bible, but the Catholic church didn’t offer anything like that. So when the protestants and Mormons come along and say, “hey, we’ll show you how,” they’re all over it.
Furthermore, immigrants are more open to changing everything about their lives, including religion, because the experience of uprooting and transplanting yourself does that.
Catholicism in the U.S. never had an official status, so it had to actually provide spiritual nourishment to keep the pews full. People like The Anchoress and Laura Ingraham and other dedicated Catholics hardly exist in Latinoamérica.
oh… I know Mexicans are very prideful about Mexico, which, I think it’s sweet
yo happy fuck your latin food goddamn catholic. dude pawned!
BTW, there are more Spanish-speaking Mormons than English-speaking ones now. Latin American missions are legendary for their high baptismal rate, unlike, say, Greece or the rest of Europe, where all the converts are immigrants from Africa or sometimes India.
dr. sdferr prescribes apple-raisin-plum pie for tri-molar-whatchacallit, hot, with a scoop of vanilla on the side, to take care of the jitters as the fruits gain purchase.
yo happy how much money do you get from soros?
it’s just that white ones have their own anti-defamation league…
they’re really remarkably prickly
Well I found Rum Raisin Apple Pie which sounds interesting.
it was on South Park
That’s true among Mexican Catholics Carin, but I’m not sure about other nationalities.
It’s also true elsewhere in Lat.Am., but Mexicans have Guadalupe and the others don’t.
But yes, for most Catholics in Lat.Am., it was all about praying to María or a saint so that you could win the lottery or so that your sick kid would get well. There was no concept of using religion as a guide to personal improvement.
One thing, though, is that Latinos get “God” dreams much more often than we do. They dream about God, about Jesus, about dead relatives, and often those dreams are bona fide revelations. One of my companions saw all of her companions in a dream, including me, before I even decided to serve a mission. They’re just more open to it, I guess.
I only ever dream about labyrinthine spaces such as sprawling cities, train stations, university campuses, huge office buildings, or an endless ladies room with rows and rows of stalls and none of them offering either privacy or a clean toilet.
did you see about the capirotada geoff?
It goes down that road a bit.
Well, the secret to figure it out, ‘feets, is that Donohue doesn’t wear a cool hat. No, seriously. He’s as high up in the church as an agnostic like me.
We’re prickly like we think it’s fun to beer batter some fish and drink during sad stories about people who aren’t around.
that’s so weird… my labyrinthine dreams are my favorite… they’re mostly set in like places kind of like the hotel in The Shining. I don’t want to wake up.
This is true, about the hat.
If this can somehow be stopped
Stopped? They won’t call a vote until they know they can pass it. They can drag this thing out until they do, too.
And then the states begin to issue challenges and the lawsuits start up, and then we can really go on the offensive.
The meme that entitlements never go away? Not as strong as it was. Social Security and Medicare passed with broad bipartisan support and little public resistance, and it was done by the rules.
The circumstances of Obamacare are egregious enough that the thing will have a hard time taking root. We already KNOW we don’t want it and what a disaster it is, whereas with the others, most people thought it was just dandy.
The GOP will take the House and Senate if this atrocity passes, and they can starve it of funding until it’s overturned. Hugh Hewitt said.
Okay, to rephrase that, when you meet a prickly Catholic, you’ll find out it’s because we don’t play that insult one anothers mother game. Like, at all. Maybe that’s Irish.
Regardless, avoid that.
my heart says it’s inevitable, my head says it’s unimaginable
Thanks, I love bread pudding. Recipe saved to my recipe folder.
the goat cheese and fig one I’m pretty excited about
my labyrinthine dreams are my favorite
Mine are interesting but tiring. It’s always about navigation, navigation, navigation. How do I get from there to here? Which staircase actually reaches the third floor, and do I have to walk through the auditorium to get to the class that I have forgotten to attend for 2 months or is it down another hallway.
Jews have one, too.
But then, the white ones’ bitching is gauche. Only the brown ones what we alienate have ever had to overcome adversity, and so it’s up to us to promise them whatever they want in exchange for votes.
That’s the staunch conservative way.
That ObamaCare is going to come in damned handy for reattaching all those heads that are going to be rolling around on Capital Hill after it passes: you might almost could call it a self-enforcing rule.
This Coleman guy playing for Houston has an alien trying to crawl out of his neck.
See, di at #671 doesn’t make me want to hang myself. Less hang ourselves talk, I think.
oh… mine are more about discovery… there’s always something new around the corner and it’s fun…
and then the Bad Thing comes
See, di at #671 doesn’t make me want to hang myself.
Which is unusual, because I can usually find the dark cloud for every silver lining.
jeez. I just note that the white Catholics have themselves a league. They tore our friend Amanda a new one, remember?
tremble at the turtle JD? not this year, I think, though I wish otherwise.
if dicentra fails there’s always demi
that probably needs a link
this is … a remarkable article
except for I have no words
“I think nishi’s overall point that government welfare usurped the church in areas and led to a diminished churchy relevance is kind of inarguable.”
Inarguable?
You really have slipped a cog hf.
By the way, I missed the big abortion thread yesterday, and at the risk of kicking a sleeping dog, let me just say I noticed that despite being asked numerous times when you believe a baby becomes a person protected by the constitution, you never answered. Can I assume you believe a baby is expendable as long as it is in it’s mothers womb (or til it dies after removal if it is deemed cancer-like before extraction)?
I remember Jeff posting some time back that he believed that the question of when life begins with regards to abortion would eventually be settled by science. I think that day is very close at hand, if not here already, to anyone that wants to see the truth.
I linked to a report in a thread before (I tried to find it again, but the Buffalo paper it came from gave me a 440 error) about enhanced ultrasound causing crisis of conscience in many abortion providers these days. There was one description of a fetus of 19 weeks being subject to abortion that, having one arm torn off with forceps, tried to wiggle away from further dismemberment.
I would say you can call it life when it tries to preserve itself.
You, hf, are less than a pimple on baby Trigs ass compared to Palin, Tebow, or Rose.
Plus, Darleen isn’t nearly as judgy as me, so you otta lay off her. I think you are pretty presumptuous trying to dictate what this blog is or isn’t, and your opinion that Darleen is perverting the place is ridiculous. She deserves a huge thanks from us all for filling in for Jeff while he was otherwise occupied. If you were absent for the last year hf, oh well. If Darleen had been absent for the last year, OH SHIT!
So take your fake morality and stuff it.
yo progg how are you conservative??? f++k loser
so happycommie HOW MUCH DOES SOROS PAY YOU!
lee…the church is increasingly less relevant in American life… it’s inarguable.
I don’t care when a baby becomes a life. I think people can think it’s a life at conception and the abort the unwanted little life if they want.
Women, particularly ones I don’t know. Ones I don’t even know are pregnant. They can do whatever they think’s best, and it won’t bother me a bit.
Wriggle wriggle little fetuses. Sucks for you.
and *then* abort the unwanted little life I mean
I’m going to comment on this thread until we hit 1,000.
That’s not really that remarkable, article-wise, btw.
i think faggots should be shot with 45s
oh. And Sarah, Rose, Pammie, and Tiger are whores, lee. Dirty dirty whores.
I went out for quesadillas and beer and this thread has apparently been busy. Evening folks.
I don’t get that. At all.
‘night, baxtrice, you’re fun to have around, keep coming back.
dirty idiot happyloser
Thanks bh, I really enjoy pw, I’m not smart enough to be here, so I’ll just be the underprivileged kid who was put in class in hopes that maybe she’ll learn something.
’cause fags so special unlike dead babies
bh you can’t ever force women to have rape babies… that’s not America I don’t think… so that question is irrelevant.
If it’s a life so be it. Buh-bye. It’s the woman’s call. And since you can’t make rape baby type rules of when you will or will not force a woman to have a baby, not in America, it’s of no consequence whether it’s “a life” or not.
Women get to decide themselves. Not me. Not lee.
Too, on the whole the benefits of having the babies redound to the bearers, so there’s that.
I don’t see what’s so terribly radical about being quite happy with the status quo, really.
It’s the staunch conservative position I think.
godfag progg telling you
faggots note this
Go look at the daffodils.
They’re cheery.
fuck faggots – you homos don’t produce anything. you can’t REPRODUCE
Lila Rose would force a 13 year old girl to carry a rape baby to term. She’s a terribly sick and abusive woman.
don’t know much biology is it?
‘feets, I took your comment in terms of Q: where does life begin, A: no, I’m sticking with female reproductive rights. Just like the other thread.
I wanted to know if newrouter was drawing a comparison between what he saw as that immorality and, let’s say, shooting fags with a .45. Or if he was just saying, hey, let’s shoot some fags with .45s. It was the former.
So, no harm, no foul, either way, but maybe if we’re talking like this we should all take a breather, no?
“the church is increasingly less relevant in American life… it’s inarguable.”
That’s not what was said.
“government welfare usurped the church in areas and led to a diminished churchy relevance”
Whst leads to diminished church attendance can be argued.
Oh, and “staunch Conservatives” do care about life.
If a woman is raped, she should know in days if she is pregnant. I don’t imagine anyone has a problem if she stops it then.
But we aren’t talking about outliers, we are talking about you calling people immoral that think abortion something to be avoided.
‘Cuz of your morality.
I like Tarzana Joe’s poems. Here’s his one for this week:
Can’t I?
Some folks are very grateful for
The country that we’ve got
But others see a better way
And often dream, “Why not?”
For you see there are the lucky
While some others are bedeviled
We idealists see a method
For these outcomes to be leveled
Yes, some are very spindly
While others are quite fat
To balance this disparity
We pass a law for that
And some folks are unhappy
All across our teeming nation
We ought to perk their spirits
With a little legislation
And some men harbor prejudice
Deny it, but it’s true
I think that we can fix that
With just a law, or two
Some folks are very ugly
While, unfairly, some are pretty
To rectify this outrage
Well, we’ll fix it in committee
Why, we’re just a single rollcall
From a lifetime of Utopia
A chance to share the blessings
Of our cousins in Europia
And those who would oppose us
Oh, you’re mad as many hatters
Trying to convince us
That the Constitution matters
This future is a struggle
But you know it’s worth a try
Just like Speaker Pelosi
I can DEEM, can’t I?
happy, it’s a terrible thing for a woman to be raped and be pregnant with that baby, but the victim can always put the baby up for adoption. Adoption is always an option. I have a bff who was adopted and a bff whose mother was adopted and I am partial to adoption as opposed to natural childbirth due to some health problems. I lean pro-choice but I’m not going to call someone names for being pro-life. There are always options. Acting like abortion is the only answer just furthers the enmity between people.
Fuck you prove it! scumbag
yo happy how much is george s. paying you to shit on jeff g. site?
bh I was just reiterating for lee’s benefit cause he got left out yesterday.
lee I honestly didn’t realize it was controversial to posit a tension between the welfare state and the church. My bad.
Lila, Darleen’s hero, has a problem with stopping it then Lee.
It’s cause she’s cRaZy.
“Lila Rose would force a 13 year old girl to carry a rape baby to term”
Nope. Rose would force abortion providers to comply with the law regarding notifications when underage girls become pregnant.
Staunch conservatives believe in complying with just law.
abortion roe v wade loser
so happyprogg,
are you a soros person?
The word was arguable, not controversial.
For instance, Gore says the fact of AGW is not arguable. As in settled.
He is wrong too.
ok… I didn’t think it was arguable. But I really didn’t think it was.
this is from Lila’s magazine, newrouter…
[PDF]
Lila is a crazed fanatic that would force your young daughter to have a rape baby.
She’s very, very sick.
baxtrice I’m not saying abortion is the only choice… but it is and should always be a choice. That’s how it is in the little country I grew up in.
Oh goody. Can they wait until the little life is 18 years old?
Go back and read some of Karls posts, about Obama having a machine on the ground, ‘feets. Read about the unions and the community organizers and then tell me who the fuck the Republicans got to go up against that.
I don’t want to here any juvenile fucking pablum, I want to know who the fuck is going to dig in the trenches if the Republicans blow off the Christians?:
I told a very beautiful story about a bum and a puppy. But, no, everyone has to be react to perceived provocations +1.
You think there is a inarguable link between welfare and church attendance?
Welfare has been around a long time, spanning increases as well as decreases in church attendance.
There, see, I have an argument.
here’s a bigger snippet of the kind of propaganda Lila’s organization produces…
that’s crazytalk is what that is, lee
Lila is a crazed fanatic that would force your young daughter to have a rape baby.
And if you word all your internets posts like a fucking retard sooner or later to start to think like one.
Rape babies? Have you stepped back and read the stupid shit you have been posting lately?
I liked you story bh though the ending was a tearjerker.
“I told a very beautiful story about a bum and a puppy. ”
Puppy snuff story you mean!
Just kidding. It was Ol’ Yeller quality. You should publish.
Puppy haters, Geoff. All over. Hide your puppy.
I know Mr. B Moe about the machine and I would submit that the machine also militates against this being a good time for lifey Super Bowl ads and Planned Parenthood entrapments and also et cetera.
The most salient point about the machine is IT WON.
your question is better asked as what do the Lifey ones have that can go up against that machine? They got dick. So maybe it’s they who need to maybe take a bit of care not to be alienatey I think. Maybe they could put Life aside and work for fiscal sanity and an America where what is prosperous enough to afford them the opportunities to Life it up in the future.
But I bet I can guess what’s gonna be in the Team R platform come 2012. And I bet Life will be on par with not spending ourselves into Nigeria and denuding our little country of freedom.
That’s not terribly reality-based I don’t think, that equation.
The puppy is this blog. Or the bum is the blog. Maybe the bum is the puppy.
Anyway you look at it, as we don’t know what the puppy represents, we should be careful about puppy-killing.
It made perfect sense to me hf.
Notice she had compassion for the victim? Not accusation?
Unlike you, Rose thinks a fetus is a person. I see nothing crazy about that, and I see nothing crazy or wrong with what she is doing with her belief.
She’s using education and persuasion. It’s not like she,s calling the women who have abortions dirty hoochie whore cunts or anything.
‘Cuz that would be wrong…
Who said the following: “Hey, it may be a life, but if it can’t get away, fuck it. Sucks to be them!”
a. Dahmer
b. Pol Pot
c. Hitler
d. Amanda Marcotte / happyfeet / some other staunch conservative
Fuck you, feets. I am tired of trying to rationalize you as anything but a shallow, nasty little prick.
That is absolutely as simple as it can be stated.
Only a fucking stone age goddamn barbarian would try to rationalize punishing the child for the sins of the father.
Rape babies my fucking ass. Go listen to a stupid fucking pop song, eat a designer cupcake and tell yourself how fucking cool you are. You suck, dude.
an America *what* is prosperous enough is what that should say
rape babies are what happens when you’re fertile and you get raped, B Moe, and it can happen very young.
Lila Rose would force your little girl’s belly to swell and swell with that rape baby until it finally burst from her in a torrent of blood and pain and usurpation.
It’s just wrong.
which is not to say she’s not perfectly welcome to have her rape baby
Lifey ones lack the nuance to multitask. Being cumslutting hick whores and all.
I was very specific about who the cumslutting hick whores are. They are Lila Rose, Pam Tebow, and Sarah Palin.
And Tiger Woods.
All babies are rape babies, all sex is rape, all men are rapists.
You are so close,m are right there, feets. Take that last step and the pain will all go away.
Yes, you were. Those with the courage of their convictions.
Well, unless they side with you and Nishi. In which case they are political geniuses pitching pearls before swine.
Sarah Palin has the courage of her convictions? She didn’t even have the courage to fulfill the oath she swore.
She’d a cowardly feeb.
damn I tried to catch that
*she’s* a cowardly feeb I mean
And I’m not on nishi’s side.
She’s a liberal.
We all know her real name. Who the fuck are you?
I’m happyfeet!
In the context we’re discussing here, yes. Hence Trig.
But you know what real courage is? Calling here a cumslut whore on a blog. Nobody can understand the kind of pressure you must be under — and yet you persevere! You’re like a hero!
Whereas Palin bailed under the attack of nuisance lawsuits, avoided financial ruination, made sure Alaskans were left with a worthy successor, reinvented herself to the point where she’s now able to provide money and support to get people elected who are actively fighting against a socialist takeover — and she’s a cowardly feeb.
Only you and nishi care about this little country the right way. And the abuse you take for it!
It’s hard out there for a pimp.
You are a nasty, cowardly little prick.
Your sacred moose princess is not universally celebrated, Jeff. Google it.
She’s a low-wattage cable news whore who couldn’t make it as a governor I think.
She’s a detriment to the anti-dirty socialist cause. Because sse’s repulsive to the people we’re trying to attract.
*she’s* repulsive I mean
Won’t be long now until happy joins the other former pw commenters who wander the ‘sphere taking shots at me. I eagerly await my new incarnation as the anti-science social con Christianist to happy’s enlightened libertarian realist.
Because she’s repulsive to the people we’re trying to attract.
We’re not trying to attract people who are that shallow and elitist, ‘feets.
Who are you sleeping with (or want to)? Lemme guess: She hates Palin and you want her to hold you in higher regard, but she can’t because you’re a conservative and so is Palin and that makes you both repulsive?
Oh, BTW, I know ‘feets real name, and I’ll reveal it if he doesn’t tone it down with the name-calling.
I would never do that.
I hold you in very high esteem is why.
And I’m not leaving unless you tell me to.
First, she’s not my anything.
Sure. I mean, she was given every chance to succeed, but instead she quit to do some shopping.
What, you mean those other staunch conservatives for freedom who believe that if a person can’t swim fast enough, fuck ’em?
There are probably less of those than you think. And frankly, who needs ’em?
di, I do too, but if you do, I’m not coming back through here again.
(We’re friends, we are, but that’s not ‘feets ending here, I don’t think.)
Meaning what?
I’ll contribute to Jeff’s blog endeavors, but I won’t be around anymore.
I despise snobs. Almost as much as sanctimony.
Two sides of the same coin, is what they are.
Jeff, you’ve known me for years now. If it’s a loyalty game, you’ve won and you’ll win again.
But, if we’re going to give ‘feets IRL problems rather than asking him to leave, I’m not down with that.
This might come as a shock to you, but some of us don’t depend on google for our fucking world view.
So you’d bail?
Okay, then.
Wait. If I say ‘feets’s real name, bh splits from Jeff’s blog?
Wot?
I’m not a snob. I’m just a kid what has a very keen sense of my little country’s pending demise, and I see Sarah Palin hastening it. Because she does so much to forestall a desperately needed repackaging of Team R. And she does it for her own self-aggrandizement.
A governorship is a hell of a thing to toss aside, used to be.
I was not advocating ‘feets being outed, either. I was only trying to point out what a cowardly little poseur he was.
No. I’ll conform to dicentra’s speech code.
Dicentra, don’t do that.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
‘feets, we know how you feel about Sarah.
We disagree.
Enough already.
I don’t talk that way at Mr. Patterico’s.
I shouldn’t talk that way here.
yes dicentra, no more talking about Sarah Palin or you’ll ruin my life.
Understood.
His real name is Erasmus Hickenlooper.
Sorry, ‘feets. I couldn’t help myself, what with it being Friday night and I’m drunk with the power I have over you.
Shit, Jeff, I’m reacting as I’m reading, read #762.
How about this, I don’t like the idea of potentially giving ‘feets IRL problems (which is why I assume he types in character) rather than asking him to leave.
I’m a friend. You know that.
It had to happen sooner or later I guess.
yes dicentra, no more talking about Sarah Palin or you’ll ruin my life.
Dude, there are people here who know MY real name. I’m more defenseless than you if I get outed.
It was an idle threat that I made in frustration.
She represents the worldview of a not insignificant portion of Team R. Deal with it.
The idea is to show that we can TOLERATE all those differing beliefs and still come together to do what’s best for this country. Palin legislated in many instances more like a libertarian than a social conservative. But her own beliefs are socially conservative, and she advocates for those beliefs.
Being able to separate the two is to be lauded. Instead, you piss on her. Because it’s easy.
You’re a snob.
okey dokey it’s… I can be frustrating. I know that.
yes dicentra, no more talking about Sarah Palin or you’ll ruin my life.
What kind of life do you have, that you can’t admit who you are?
You have the audacity to condemn Palin for not finishing out her governship, while you have to hide behind a psuedonym everyday just to make a fucking paycheck?
And you dare call someone else a fucking whore?
And you said as much.
Yet you were threatening to bail — not over something I did, either.
Cool.
“A governorship is a hell of a thing to toss aside, used to be.”
Palin was a very effective governor, until she wasn’t anymore because of the constant lawsuits. Because she could no longer be effective, through no fault of her own, she left Alaska to her very capable lieutenant. For the good of the people of Alaska, not herself. When she left, she had (nor has) any guarantee of success.
You have a way of twisting reality to match your perception hf.
I can be frustrating. I know that.
You didn’t used to be. You used to be all delightyness and red velvet cake.
Look, if you need to vent about Palin, I’m sure there are plenty of forums where you can say horrible things about her to your heart’s content, and everyone on the list will join in.
Then you can come back here to spit on socialism, where we’ll cheer you on.
I’m not a snob. My best friend is an ex porn star and I drive a Scion. That’s not very snob-like.
You’re doing that thing where you build a narrative but the narrative is that I think Sarah Palin does damage to the not dirty socialist cause. I’ve said why like 100 different ways. You either don’t think Sarah Palin is damaging, or you think it doesn’t matter cause she’s just so gosh darn America. Or what? Why make like there’s nothing to discuss?
Run a blog long enough — and with enough honesty — and eventually you’ll burn EVERY FUCKING LAST BRIDGE.
That’s the lesson here.
Learned.
Mr. bh was just trying to prevent harm to me Jeff.
Me I won’t forget that.
“And you dare call someone else a fucking whore?”
And a coward.
heh
I drive a ten year old Ford Ranger and my best friend is a cat. You are a snob.
I’m not a whore or a coward.
You have no idea how dear to me you people are.
I’m not a snob. My best friend is an ex porn star and I drive a Scion. That’s not very snob-like.
You refer to her as a “hick” and “just so gosh darn American,” which is a reference to her style, not her substance. The Left also objects to her on that basis. That’s why we call you a snob.
You either don’t think Sarah Palin is damaging, or you think it doesn’t matter cause she’s just so gosh darn America. Or what? Why make like there’s nothing to discuss?
Because it’s 2010, not 2012 and we’re too busy standing astride history and shouting “No!” to the execrable proggs who are shoving our country down the crapper as fast as they can.
Priorities, ‘feets. Priorities.
And there is a third option: we don’t have a strong opinion one way or another about Palin as a politician, and we don’t give a rat’s patootie if some people are allergic to her.
No Mr. Moe I’m not a snob. Not even a little.
Right now I’m drinking Ralph’s coffee what has NASCAR race cars on the side of the tin.
Sure it is. Like those people in grad school who had to remind you constantly that they didn’t own a TV. It’s the “I’m so not into materialism or appearances” kind of snobbery. When in fact you are, only ironically.
I didn’t. In fact, I noted yesterday that the question you just posed is a differently question entirely from the question of Palin as a person.
You said that wasn’t so.
Now you want to separate out the two?
If you were at all honest, you’d realize that there are areas of the country — and specific races — where Palin’s message resonates. For someone who tries to act all pragmatic about how team R needs to strategize, you certainly are rigid, dogmatic, and intolerant.
Jeff, I was reacting to Di saying that. It’s like saying, oh yeah, di! You’ve known me awhile. If you think I’m looking to burn you, I’m not.
“That’s the lesson here.”
Easy big guy. Bh lost a puppy and he probably got shit-faced over it.
I wouldn’t take it too much to heart…
Like you have no idea how it makes us feel when you act like a nasty little petulant prick.
This shit cuts both ways. dude.
I don’t own a tv.
And Sarah Palin can resonate but she still does harm. She’s resonating on the tv in front of everybody in every district all the time.
Is what I’ve heard.
Jeff: I’m afraid you’re right. The initial alliances brought about by the novelty of the blogosphere were destined to dissolve after awhile. All groups eventually schism and sunder.
I really hate people sometimes. Because there’s always that critical mass of betas and gammas and deltas and omegas who can’t seem to get their priorities straight, such as valuing the TRVTH (or truth or excellence or ethics) more than anything else. So they resort to collusion and butt-kissing and schmoozing and backstabbing and machinations against those who don’t play their little games. (I’m speaking in general terms here, not to this thread’s themes and conflicts.)
Maybe we should just shoot her. Before she pollutes anything else with her being.
I think that would be extreme.
Like you have no idea how it makes us feel when you act like a nasty little petulant prick.
Roger that. You’ve acquired a lot of goodwill capital here, ‘feets, but you’re burning it up something fierce over the social con issues and especially Palin.
We’re not a bunch of Palinistas at pw, or haven’t you noticed? We just don’t despise her, either.
I just spent my last $37 buying some pre-owned short off of eBay. I bought them all with a 34 waist.
So if I go on a binge with the alcohol, I risk not being able to wear them. And yet, I really want to suck down some whiskey and pretend the world is better than it is — if only until I wake up in the morning feeling like I ate out a skunk’s asshole.
These are the choices that either make or break men…
I grind my own beans and make coffee in a French press, while I dice up Spam to mix with the scrambled eggs on the Coleman stove because I am living in a warehouse space that doesn’t have a refridgerator or even a kitchen right now.
What the fuck does that have to do with being a snob?
I think she’d be thrilled to hear that.
I’ll let her know. After all, who wouldn’t be happy with door number 2 — get your dimbulb cumslut whore ass off of the TV I don’t have — when the alternative is death.
Hell. She should be thanking you!
I don’t know Mr. Moe.
I’m not a snob.
I swear to God.
I am living in a warehouse space that doesn’t have a refrigerator or even a kitchen right now.
Sounds like you’re getting a head start with the apocalypse. Save some space for us, when we all get foreclosed upon, eh?
I’ve decided to drink, then do crunches.
Look at me! I’m a pragmatist!
Then quit looking down your nose at people and calling decent women such horrible names.
You are better than that.
Sounds like you’re getting a head start with the apocalypse. Save some space for us, when we all get foreclosed upon, eh?
PW folks are always welcome, as long as you can work out an agreement with the cat.
Mr. Jeff is it cynical to cast a jaundiced eye on the personages what babble on our little country’s cable news channels? No. Of course not.
So why should Mrs. Palin be exempt?
She has been invested with great meaning, that one. I think that’s safe to say.
But mostly, the wingnut formulation is uniformly that the meaning what is invested in Sarah Palin is derivative of the contempt she inspires, which contempt is a direct reaction to how wonderful she is.
That’s deliciously odd if nothing else.
I had originally planned to draw up a bunch of protest signs to take to Jim Matheson’s (D-Bribery) SLC office. The jerk has disabled his fax machine in D.C. (won’t pick up) and the fax line to his local office is stuffed full of voice mail.
His loss. I was sending several pages of clever and trenchant statements such as “Demonsheep, not ‘Demon’ Pass” with a photo of His Evilness right there. It would have changed his mind, I tell you.
Now my eyes are blurring and I should sign off. But not before leaving you all with a dizzy ham.
I’m sorry Mr. Moe I will stop. It’s no fun calling these women whores anymore anyway.
Y’all just see fun and stomp on it like it was grapes. The grapes of fun.
— no it isn’t, because I don’t believe that. So no uniformity.
No moreso than on those who write in newspapers or on blogs.
I made a big pitcher of Manhattans with Old Verholt Rye Whiskey.
I’m going to finish my Guinness and drink the whiskey while I’m watching The Killers. But I’m going to leave the cheese puffs on the floor, so that in order to get to them, I need to do a crunch.
Let’s see Miss Gosh Darn American come up with something like THAT!
I will have a drink with you Mr. Jeff.
I find myself feeling pensive. But I always kinda figured I’d end up in the filled with passionate intensity group and bam here I am.
I’m not talking for anyone but myself here. This shit in DC scares me. Bad dreams, nightmares. Distopian future life if any life.
I’ve lashed out several times IRL, over bullshit stuff. It happens, I feel bad, which makes the whole thing worse. Have to break the cycle some how.
Sleep would help if the dreams would crease. Fucking Washington DC shitheads. It’s them I’m mad at not any of you or the people in my RL world.
Good night.
Good night. If it’s any comfort it really really is as bad as you think and worse.
Bridge for sale, Mr. Moe.
As is.
‘feets, without citing Kos et al, can you point to ONE instance where Sarah Palin tried to have laws enacted to implement her “religious agenda”? Because I haven’t been able to find any.
It is very possible to be a believer and not be a statist. Don’t let the Huckabee’s of the world tell you otherwise.
Well, that certainly went south. I shouldn’t have said I wouldn’t come around here because of something di was saying to ‘feets. Unrelated issues. So, I apologize to Jeff for saying it.
If I don’t comment for awhile it’s simply because if I’m pissing off people I like and respect, I’m obviously doing it wrong.
Apologies form here, too. Dangers of blogging while drunk.
“Dangers of blogging while drunk.”
Hey who you callin a drunk BMoe;)
I’m pressed for time and haven’t reviewed the preceeding preceedings but bh you should know that I have seen you often keeping this place from imploding and I appreciate that more than you know.
Besides it’s damn hard to find a good assistant hall monitor;)
So the discharge request is denied. We need you on the front line soldier!
I will; however, authorize a recharge period at the Metal Works facility (Gym) which by coincidence is where I’m headed.
So get pumped up and meet me back here at 1900Z. Deal?
bh,
I did not highlight who the the preceeding post was intended for like I should have. So scroll up dude and I’ll see ya later.
where did you get the phrase “religious agenda?” Sarah Palin never had a governing agenda… Sarah Palin had a Sarah Palin agenda I think. This is why she ditched the hard work of governing for the lucrative adulation of her Tribe.
I don’t think it’s completely accurate to say that Palin never had a governing agenda, at least in Alaska. It consisted of cleaning up corruption, regardless of party affiliation, reducing the influence of the big business guys in Alaska governmental affairs, and expanding their energy and raw materials industry; that last one dovetailed nicely with the needs of the nation, but everyone seems to have forgotten about the whole, “drill here, drill now”, movement.
Especially President Obey-me. Just last week he quietly had the interior secretary declare that there would be no offshore drilling, nor even exploration, for the balance of his term…
I wonder what the 52-percenters think of that?
I know you’ve been under a lot of fire happyfeet. It’s uncomfortable to watch, so I can only imagine…
Still, I might counsel you to scale back the hyperbole in your criticisms; I guess I’m just sayin’ try and “keep it between the white lines”-as the state troopers say:)
It’s a beautiful spring day here on Long Island. I can only imagine how lovely it is in L.A.
well that’s Narrative, not agenda I think Bob. It’s straight out of the brochure. But governors govern and spokesmodels spokesmodel, and we know which calling Sarah Palin heard.
I think that’s in the lines. But I only want to answer SDN is all.
*wanted* I mean I guess
But also you can’t ever forget though that she’s going to Arizona to spokesmodel for the one man who did more to kneecap drilling in our little country than anyone ever.
If you repeat the lie often enough, sorry, it’s still not true.
Keep lying though, you might fool some one some day…
Oh, #826 was for this:
“Sarah Palin had a Sarah Palin agenda I think. This is why she ditched the hard work of governing for the lucrative adulation of her Tribe.”
4. Comment by geoffb on 3/18 @ 9:29 am #
it’s going to be tried again.
Humanity’s historical dementia.
It goes like this:
“Do you like soup?’
“Huh?”
“Do you like soup? Cos I’m gonna smash your head into so many pieces if they put it back together again all you’ll be able to eat for years is soup through a straw.
By the time they finally take the wire off, I’ll be comin’ out of jail. And I’ll show up and break your face all over again.”
Freedom. Eternal. Vigilance.
OUTLAW.
I missed that about the interior secretary. here
It’s a beautiful day, lee.
Let’s be friends!
I’m appalled about the oil drillings.
Sarah Palin never had a governing agenda… Sarah Palin had a Sarah Palin agenda I think. This is why she ditched the hard work of governing for the lucrative adulation of her Tribe.
feets, that’s not the TRVTH, that’s someone’s interpretation of her intentions and motives without the benefit of being able to see into her heart.
If you’re going to criticize her, at least stick to stuff that can be verified by someone besides just God.
here is what Mr. Norquist says in a PDF letter to Mr. Salazar… I’m not sure if I got all the returns out and this new machine doesn’t have a text editor on it yet
these people are scary
This comment is SOOOO bronzed and placed in my own personal Smithsonian.
Because it’s stupid and untrue and ridiculous, if she stopped to think about it for even a second. Thinking doesn’t appear to be her strong suit, though.
NCLB was about providing all(goal, I’d guess; you can’t ever get all) kids with some minimum level of learning. It was never, ever anything like an effort to bring everyone’s IQ up. Agree with the legislation or not, it was never about bringing everyone above average; it was about increasing the level of education.
BTW, George’s brother Jeb instituted changes in Florida education that made measurable improvements in the ACT and SAT scores of HS grads. It’s not an end unto itself, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Back to the raising-IQ thing: I recall nishi has said she wanted to do just that at some point in the recent past. That one is also bronzed and on display. Because IQ scores are normalized, you can’t raise aggregate IQ. You can raise knowledge level, though, which actually has metrics associated with it.
But what do I care what nishi thinks? I’m not going to argue with someone whose politics are driven by fiction, who can’t spell or punctuate or even form a coherent argument, and who hitches her morality to the local meme-flow.
’nuff said about that
Regarding the conversation since I last commented:
1) I’d have been a lot happier if most or all of newrouter’s comments never happened. I’d be a damned sight more happy if it turned out that the really egregious ones were placed there by someone sockpuppeting newrouter.
2) I don’t want happyfeet to leave or shut up, but I would be very happy if he’d stop to think for just one second, and stop calling people he disagrees with cunts and cumsluts. I’m sure he would be unhappy if NG, for instance, all of a sudden became a hick retard cumslut in local conversation.
3) I am not in the least bit interested in knowing who happyfeet really is or where he lives; as much as I understand and sympathize with the urge to shake some sense into the boy, I know that it would do no good. I don’t think there’s anything that can. But I know if he was saying those things about my mother, I would seek him out. Something to consider, hf.
When you were young and your heart was an open book
You used to say live and let live
(you know you did, you know you did, you know you did)
But if this ever changing world in which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die
Live and let die
Live and let die
Live and let die
What does it matter to ya
When you got a job to do
You gotta do it well
You gotta give the other fellow hell
When you were young and your heart was an open book
You used to say live and let live
(you know you did, you know you did you know you did)
But if this ever changing world in which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Write live and let die.
dicentra I do not want to discuss Sarah Palin if you don’t mind…
270 billion is so many, and it would have been every year
I hear you slart. newrouter was just mad I think. I don’t think he meant nothing by it.
“these people are scary”
I an convinced Obama and his minions don’t want America to succeed. They want constant crisis they can exploit for their own ends (read:Power). They are terrifying.
It makes a certain DDA look (even more) stupid in retrospect for criticizing Rush’s “I hope he fails” comment. Rush understood Obama failing = America succeeding while the dumb shits among us were still playing out rope hoping Obama was a good man.
Obama is the enemy of America.
Mr. P is as adamantly opposed to all of this as anyone, lee.
But yes they want our little country to fail.
There’s no doubt in my mind.
Yep, ignoring that kind of money and jobs, as well as reducing our trade deficit by that much..?
It’s criminal is all I can say…
Of course, all of Obama’s promises come with an expiration date, that we know. But it’s unfortunate if even one person believed his palaver about being “for” offshore drilling and exploration during the campaign…
He never intended to, it was JUST WORDS!, spoken in haste because he felt the need to counter the negative electoral momentum wrought by the dialectical tension of his “green” platform and greater-than-four-dollar-a-gallon gas prices at the time…
The polls at that time were close, his opponent gaining ground by embracing the notion of offshore drilling, and he needed to stem the tide. That was the genesis of this particular false promise…
It get’s even better when you realize that he’s essentially surrendered the vast reserves of the Gulf of Mexico to Russia and China…
http://tinyurl.com/ybbe9tw
Gee, I wonder why he’d do such a thing?
I never thought I’d see the day. I will be thankful while it lasts.
happy,
Lee is right. Patterico was all about the whole, “Obama is a good man!”, thing for the first several months of his presidency…
Some of us knew what he was all about from jump!
That was valuable criticising time lost? And you know what Ben Franklin said; “Lost time is never found.”
I’m just sayin’…
well… nevertheless Mr. P does his part… he sure as heck does a lot more than I do.
Your problem, nishi, is that you haven’t yet grown sufficiently.
it always comes down to evolution doesnt it?
Jeff, you CANNOT TAKE BACK LANGUAGE…because language is part of culture and culture EVOLVES.
it is simply impossible.
and at least im good for traffic.
lemme ax u dis……in ten years we will able to buy bene tleilax fullterm host wombs for ectogenesis from the Japanese….they have been doin fullterm goat embryos for the last fifteen years….sadly, we cant develop ectogenesis in America because of WEC nutjobs that believe diploid oocytes are human beings with full citizen rights…..but what ev.
Watchu gonna do then to lather up the rubes?
abortion will become a non-issue.
lawl.
Our little country will fall behind across the board I think, not just on host wombs.
Slart, i am more moral than thou, just like im hipper than thou.
ima transhumanist……i want to slay death itself.
heres the EXACT language of NCLB….
Proficiency in testing language means ABOVE AVERAGE.
NCLB is stupid and impossible.
Jeff, you CANNOT TAKE BACK LANGUAGE
:::sigh::: Kate Mengele still can’t or won’t understand that is not what JeffG is doing.
ima transhumanist……i want to slay death itself.
someone believes they’re first generation Cylon
“well… nevertheless Mr. P does his part… he sure as heck does a lot more than I do.”
Maybe, when he isn’t routing out possible hidden, latent, unconscious racism from fellow conservatives.
So he won’t be embarrassed by association don’t you know.
Personally, I think P is as bad as McCain in this context, and whether his doing good offsets the damage is debatable IMO.
Proficiency in testing language means ABOVE AVERAGE
Uh, no. It means “thorough knowledge” and has not a thing to do with “averages”.
You were one of those “graded on the curve” babies, weren’t you?
Comment by LBascom on 3/20 @ 11:28 am
P is an obsessive prig. That can be an asset for a deputy district attorney, but only if one can turn that off after hours.
“they have been doin fullterm goat embryos for the last fifteen years….sadly, we cant develop ectogenesis in America because of WEC nutjobs that believe diploid oocytes are human beings with full citizen rights…..but what ev.”
And then what? A brave new world of humans, grown specifically for servitude? Or organ donors perhaps? Or simply grown without any familiar “interference”? Sounds like a few hooro movies I’ve seen. And more to the point, it sounds like a prescription for further degradation of our society…
I’m not up to speed enough on the whole subject of Japanese “fullterm host wombs”, so you’ll have to excuse me of I’m not freely conversant on the topic.
What I can tell you is that for want of some dollars that Obama feels are better spent shoving towards his cronies and constituents, we are definately squandering our edge in spaceflight technology, as well as ballistic missile defense capabilities we’ve already developed…
So what if we let the Chinese, Japanese, and Russians benefit take the lead in Moon mineral extraction and interplanetary flight? I mean, it’s more important for everyone in America to have free wi-fi, socialized medicine, and income stipends-so that we finally achieve equality of ourcome…
God help us all if your brave new world comes to pass.
Oops, my link in #848 was suppose to take you to Jeffs post, not my comment.
Slart, i am more moral than thou, just like im hipper than thou.
That needs to be bookmarked or screencapped to preserve for future generations. On account of the profundity.
854th!
I think we finally see the source of nishtoon’s galaxy-sized ego. Her minders told her she was proficient and she thought she was in Lake Wobegon.
Mr. P is admirable… he’s passionate and involved. It’s why nishi is admirable too. The vast majority of people in our little country are apathetic incurious shruggers.
here is a song about cassius
Great Ireland vs Scotland rugger match at the moment. 7-14 at HT.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one happyfeet…But I wish them no harm.
Obama is passionate and involved too.
Obama plays himself off as passionate and involved. That’s what antichrists do.
No, it doesn’t. And it most especially doesn’t just because you say so.
Proficiency means proficiency. That might mean raising average proficiency test scores, but that just means the average score gets raised, which means average is still average.
You seem to be having trouble with this concept of average, which indicates your knowledge of mathematics is below average for a middle-schooler.
Dyscalculia, nishi.
And I don’t care how big your hips are.
You were one of those “grated on the curb” babies, weren’t you?
ftfy.
The Marcotte entity is also passionate and involved. There’s a lot of passionately involved people, but P&I doesn’t really map onto sane, automatically.
“P is an obsessive prig. That can be an asset for a deputy district attorney, but only if one can turn that off after hours.”
P is an egomaniac that would rather destroy someone than admit he was wrong. A decidedly BAD asset for a DDA.
Che was passionate and involved, ditto Stalin and Mao.
Absent the what of the object of being “passionate and involved”, there is nothing to admire for the mere emotions.
FEELINGS! Nothing more than FEELINGS! isn’t an adult approach to life.
Brilliant. Just can’t make this shit up.
here is for nishi if she comes back
is an egomaniac that would rather destroy someone than admit he was wrong. A decidedly BAD asset for a DDA.
True. And that might be why he is still just a DDA and hasn’t advanced into supervisory positions.
B Moe, I think that a whole lot of stupid results from nishi trying too hard to be cool.
Pay careful attention here, Nishi, because I’m about to upset your worldview and leave you reeling for a bit until you can regain your bearings.
You keep talking about culture “evolving,” only you conflate “evolve” with something that moves in one direction only — or perhaps, to put it another way, you have evolution improperly mapped, as a metaphor, when it comes to questions of culture.
If we can never learn from mistakes, culture would necessarily “evolve” as you envision it. But we can learn. We can adapt. And we can circle back around to certain ideas that were once discarded but nevertheless gain new purchase in ever new contexts.
In short, it is remarkably insipid to posit that the “evolution” of culture (which is founded on epistemologies) is always moving in a single direction, and that only in that direction lies “progress.”
Sometimes “progress” means going backward, and sometimes “devolving,” in your metaphor, is the best move for a culture to make.
By removing this contingency from your thinking, you’ve come to think of cultural evolution as inexorably one-directional. But culture is about heteroglossia; it’s multidirectional; and it doesn’t “evolve” in the ways you think. There is more than one pedal in the car, Nishi. Take your foot of the gas and put it on the brake every once in a while, and you may find that you get where you wish to go faster and more efficiently than if you just keep pushing forward.
B Moe, I think that a whole lot of stupid results from nishi trying too hard to be cool.
And failing completely – how pitiful is that?
bosh with the lack of advancings … you don’t know… and it’s way more likely that his stalwart defense of our little country against dirty socialists molestations is what might someday prove to compromise his successful advancing in the cesspool what is the los angeles government… and yet he soldiers on does he not? yes, yes he does.
that should have just been *dirty socialist* molestations
Oh. And my position re: Frey and a few others is that they are opportunists who do more harm then good. Frey is so opposed to all this? Well, he may have started being opposed back when it mattered, then.
Instead, he saw an opportunity for sanctimony and “being above the fray” with regard to the “good man” and Limbaugh shit, and he took it. It brought him traffic. And silent accolades from those he wanted to assure he was different from the conservative proles.
Now, suddenly, he’s a go-to voice in the anti-Obama fight?
Right. How fucking convenient. Guess calling out the “racists” and “violent race-card players” on the right wasn’t selling any more.
that’s an uncharitable view I think
Danger at #820: Yeah, I’m not going anywhere, pw is the best blog out there. Just feeling like a bit of an ass so I’m taking a day or two to de-ass-ify.
you don’t know
again, you missed a word … this time “might”
and having worked ten years IN a DA office (not LA county) I dare say I have a bit more insight on how it works then you do, so my admitted speculating has just a tad more weight then your defense.
Regardless of how correct he is now in criticizing Obama policies, he has never retreated or even attempted to revisit and apologize for being so friggin wrong about people who had Barry’s number from the beginning. And, as LBascom pointed out, he is so pathelogically afraid of being wrong, he’d rather destroy those people who demonstrated he was wrong then admitting it.
That stalwart defense involve trying to publicly smear those who have a demonstrable history of defending the country against encroaching fascism?
Bully for our hero, then.
The irony is, I could have told him he would go there. He holds certain ideas that make it inevitable.
If you want to blow sunshine up his ass, do it over at his site. Where I’m banned.
FOR FREEDOM!
I have gobs of insight and I have no doubt that Mr. P is doing what he wants to do. I think he would make a great judge person one day and I wouldn’t be shocked to see that happen. It’ll be like this: The Honorable Mr. Frey presiding you say? Can’t say as I’m surprised.
I doubt you’d think so were it your IRL name he tried to Google bomb to associate with racism or violence, etc.
Hell, you’re terrified your name showing up in the comment section of a blog could hurt you. And yet you think it “uncharitable” to characterize a guy who tries to tether your name in perpetuity to bogus charges of racism or “threats of violence,” etc., as a sanctimonious and opportunistic jaggoff? — and then profits from having you out of the picture?
Your mastery of situational ethics is astounding.
Yay. Another “conservative” judge willing to find “unconscious racism” and base his decisions on what he can do with signifiers.
That’s EXACTLY what conservatism needs: more progressivism mixed in to the process.
I didn’t like that at all.
about the googlebombing
btw hf, a little info on that “cesspool of la government”
The District Attorney is an elected position and the DA office runs under his/her direction. The DA reports to the Board of Supervisors but is directly responsible to the voters, so as far as politicking in other county/city areas, it has NO direct affect on the DA department. What some mayor or other government official in Los Angeles – city or county – may feel about a particular DDA, pro or anti, it only has as much weight as any regular citizen outside of government feels. As much weight as the DDA’s direct supervisors want to give it.
bh @ 877: You know, I feel like a bit of an ass myself. In fact, I’ve got a powerful hankering for a bit of ass… pick me up one when you’re out at the store.
I’ll pay you back.
Absolutely. I know she isn’t really stupid, when she first came here she was an interesting voice. I liked her- disagreed with her a bit- but she was interesting to debate with. Hell, I like thor when he first started posting. But then for what ever reason they both went way over the top moonbat about Obama and Christians, and now they are just idiot tape loops spamming up the bandwidth. That is why I worry about happyfeet, he is showing the early signs.
LA’s a cesspool Darleen… it’s a third world country here and everything is tainted by it… it’s very very brave for Mr. P to be outspokenly conservative here, and that’s the sum of it.
i’m going to get out of here before i’m forced to relive one of those instances where my “pals” on the right turned on me.
happy,
I don’t think that talking up Mr. P on the blog belonging to someone he treated so shabbily is very polite. I’m sure you didn’t think it through really, nor intend to rub salt in any wounds, but at this point I don’t think there is any rosy scenario out somewhere in the future where Jeff and P resolve their differences. And I think that’s pretty much all P’s fault.
But today will not go well for you here if you continue to sing the praises of Patterico, I’m pretty sure of that. You will only alienate Jeff by doing so.
[fuck it]
it’s very very brave for Mr. P to be outspokenly conservative here, and that’s the sum of it.
Not within his job it isn’t. It isn’t brave or cowardly because it doesn’t hold water either way. That’s not the way DA offices are run, unless you get a real schmuck elected who acts like Obama.
LA DA is Steve Cooley, a Republican, hf. How “brave” is it to be a conservative in a department run by a Republican?
I don’t like Obama B moe and I appalled Darleen by saying quite frankly he’s not my president and I piss on his head… and I like Christians just fine… I don’t like Christians what want to Jesus up a Team R what needs to focus on the fundamental question of how to arrest the dirty socialist debauching of our little country…
Bob I don’t know why Darleen feels compelled to slag Mr. P and gets patted on the ass for it but when I slag the truly dippy conservatives it’s ohnoes he’s crazy.
It’s a mixed up muddle up shook up world except for Lola. God love Lola.
happyfeet, what Patterico did or undertook to do was unjust. He sought to prove a falsehood about Jeff and did this repeatedly over the course of weeks. He planned to do this over the course of months. How would such a one make a good judge, let alone someone you’ld want to hang out with?
You know BMoe,
What’s fascinating about both nishi and thor’s patter is that they both share that whole, “the demographic timers running out”, meme. It’s really uncanny! Is that a widespread talking point, or just an outgrowth of the, “AmeriKKKa is a country founded by, run by, and set up for, RAAAAAAAAACIST! @HITE BOIS!1!1!!!
Truthfully, I can’t even get through to thor anymore. Every conversation follows the same arc. He calls me a wingnut welfare drain on his tax dollars-an obvious reference to my Navy pension. Then we move on to know-nothing racists who can’t stand to see women or minorities move forward. Then we get to the part where he’ll be happy when all of us old fart white guys die off, even though I’m barely over 50 and we are probably contemporaries, and this country finally enjoy the absolute moral authority of multicultural dominance, metaphysical certitude of social righteousness, and a truly just and equal system of governance. Then he calls me a racist again for good measure…
It’s like they’re reading from a script!
because the sands they shift Darleen, and here’s some news for you… LA isn’t moving to the right.
Oh. It’s just me “slagging” P.
Interesting.
*muddled* up I mean
because the sands they shift Darleen, and here’s some news for you… LA isn’t moving to the right.
So? We are talking here and now, hf. Square your assumptions with reality. I give you facts, you answer with feelings and generalities.
sdferr I agree that that was wrong, and I said so… but I think Mr. P felt besmirched as well… and it was just a bad dynamic all round.
I don’t understand why they couldn’t pick up the phone.
You’re just trying to goad me into saying about how brave Mr. P is, and I think I’d just as soon take Bob’s advice.
can you believe that shit about the oil drillings?
Well, if Patterico felt besmirched, it’s just all even Steven! Cycle of violence and all that. Why bother to place blame when you can distribute it evenly without having to worry about responsibility, right or wrong, etc.?
SOCIAL JUSTICE! STAUNCH CONSERVATIVE!
Yes, that’s a problem. Because the phone was broken, though, Patterico had to communicate via semaphores that, for some reason, were encoded as Google-bombing.
Communicating during sex by farting in Morse code would make more sense. Which is not to say that such a thing would make any sense at all, but that was where I was going with that anyway.
this blog has become very keen on conformity of opinion… it’s a tribal thing I think
The idea that Patterico is just now coming around to opposing Barcky’s policies not no really seem very accurate.
Communicating during sex by farting in Morse code would make more sense
ok…almost lost a monitor there …. [guffaw]
Patterico is just now coming around to opposing Barcky’s policies
all due respect, JD, it had nothing to do with Barry’s policies, but P’s “he’s a good man” and concurrent slagging of Limbaugh and anyone else that didn’t conform to P’s decorus demands.
…whereas such a thing should be reserved for the “narrative” being advanced by Team R, provided it’s the right narrative (the happy/Barone one) and not one offered by cumslut hick whores and their retarded human handbags.
Ever think that maybe everybody simply thinks you wrong in this instance, happy? Or does it have to be a conspiracy — a sign that the blog has “become very keen on conformity of opinion”?
JD: The suggestion is not that Frey is just now coming around. The suggestion is that Frey is a sanctimonious opportunist. Whether or not you find that accurate or not is your business. I don’t demand any conformity of thought on the matter, regardless of what you might hear from the next future thor / timb who is apt to go off pretending that that’s the case here, and arguing so on other sites.
As I said last night: run a blog honestly long enough, and you will wind up alienating just about EVERYONE.
No, we’re kind of into diversity of opinion, but dead-set against wilful stupidity.
That’s nishi territory. I outlined one of those stupidities upthread, but if you failed middle-school math, you won’t get it either.
“this blog has become very keen on conformity of opinion”
Oh no, now it’s going the victim route.
Staunch.
this blog has become very keen on conformity of opinion
ironic statement of the day
The guy who turns the ad hominem up to 11 against people who disagree with him is complaining of conformity.
It’s almost like the pot calling the polished stainless-steel kettle black.
Someone said you can’t use the word retard as a put-down and Limbaugh said the hell you can’t and then someone said oh you’re right my bad I’m sorry Mr. Limbaugh I didn’t mean nothing by it.
Someone has the courage of her convictions.
honestly, it’s like nailing oatmeal to the wall
The only people I hominemed were Sarah Palin and Lila Rose and Pam Tebow, Slart. And Tiger. It has never been a matter of “people who disagree” with me.
Whatever may actually true about nishi, genetic engineer or muslim convert or eugenist or whatever; she acts in the fashion of a drive-by provacateur-very much like thor does…
They stop by and throw some wild assertions, then go away while people have at their argument. Then, much later, they come back to “get the last word”; it’s like they believe that some time way in the future, historians will read these threads and be impressed by the fact that their “final argument” was seemingly irrefutable by the knuckle-dragging wingnutz!
Maybe they both share illusions of being cited as some sort of renaissance-style oracle of knowledge…
I tried earlier today to confront nishi’s oft-repeated assertion of “cultural evolution,” making what I thought was a nice argument.
Little did I know that I wasn’t interested in debating, but was rather instead intent on demanding conformity. To argue that someone else’s position is wrong is just mean. And mean people suck — especially those who flaunt their childrens in our faces, and so may conceivably thereby make us feel guilty about scrambling them in utero.
Cunts.
And I don’t know why Darleen felt compelled to blog about Pam Tebow and Lila Rose. But is was pretty gross to find that filth at Protein Wisdom.
YOU are not alienating me, or anyone else that I know of, Jeff.
Or, you know, they’re doin’ it for the lulz…
lawl
What the heck is “lawl” anyway?
Oh. happyfeets is just calling those people cunts as aren’t here to defend themselves.
There’s a word for that. I can’t recall it just now, but it’ll come to me.
I’d feel better if I knew where to surf to to get the correct talking points from. Is there some super-secret URL y’all are keeping from me! ‘Cuz I’m a Catholic?
IT’S THE REVERSE INQUISITION!
STOP KEEPIN’ ME DOWN!
Is this like some form of Tourette’s for you? You just can’t keep blurting out the same vile shit over and over and over?
I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you?
I know, why don’t you post those points here Jeff. That way PW can become the cornerstone in the bastion of wingnuttia that the trolls seem to insist it is!
You can put it in it’s own special place. Maybe call it, “Helpful Hints for H8terz”! or “Wishes by @HITE BOIS”…
there’s that conformity thing I’m talking about Mr. Jeff
And I don’t know why Darleen felt compelled to blog about Pam Tebow and Lila Rose
there you go confusing me with HotAir again.
work out your issues with them THERE
stop making me your whippingboy
and “filth”? Total projection. Get help for your women issues.
Where? I’m missing the referent to “there’s.” Try to be specific.
It’s ironic, though, that you’d complain equally about conformity of thought and Darleen posting on something you don’t like.
My guess is you’re smart enough to see the disconnect, and that Nishi and thor have turned you on to the excitement of playing griefer on the internet. Have a good laugh while feeling cool and superior without having to ever really defend a position. Just keep telling yourselves you could, if you really wanted to, but it’s much more fun jabbing at the earnest squares.
no Darleen… you had your Tebow post and your Planned Parenthood posts… do you not know where your Planned Parenthood posts came from? Really? That was news from our entrappy deranged friend Lila.
You want to celebrate Life here? Fine.
But I don’t celebrate hoochies like Lila and Pam what would strip women of their freedom.
Darleen attacked me first, Jeff. She’s the teen lesbian lynching griefer I think.
hf
What, when someone exposes lawbreaking, especially the exploitation of minor girls and victimizing them a second time along with the enabling of sexual predators I’m to ignore that because the person who did the exposing is someone you find a creepy cumslut?
Wow, you really take to Leftist tactics well while acting like you hate Obama and his media’s tactics.
What is the “there’s” referent?
Darleen attacked me first
(facepalm)
get.help. Please.
lesbian lynching
Slander, hf. Pure slander.
This automatic denunciation thing is downright Maoist, happy.
Going to the store. Will check back later. As we approach the magic 1000 mark…
s/oatmeal/pudding
Darleen attacked me first, Jeff. She’s the teen lesbian lynching griefer I think.
That ain’t how I remember it, ‘feets. I thought you went from 0 to Bunny Boiler in about 3 seconds flat.
Darleen, the little whore entrapped some stupid Planned Parenthood worker by playing on her sympathies. Entrapment is not America I don’t think.
But you want to play to the lifey crowd.
Have at it, Darleen. It’s your blog. Get to it.
happyfeet has learned from Patterico well… if you don’t get what you want, slander people with the vilest lies you can make up, especially if you can deliberately make shit up about what they wrote and then be OUTRAGED over your madeup shit.
No Whistle… go back and look. Darleen entered a perfectly civil conversation to screech at me about how I must worship her Lifey icons and if I don’t then I lack a moral compass.
Get help, Darleen.
entrapped some stupid Planned Parenthood worker
Entrapped has a specific meaning and that’s not what happened. And it has happened a lot more than once.
Either you believe the LAW that protects minors should be obeyed or you do not. What is it happyfeet? Do you want to protect 13 year old girls or just scrape ’em and hand ’em back to their adult “boyfriends”?
how I must worship her Lifey icons and if I don’t then I lack a moral compass.
Liar.
link please… what did you say Darleen?
I already said Darleen… I think that laws about minors and etc protect Planned Parenthood… and I think they should follow the rules.
SW
happyfeet is doing the classic “sandbagger” technique. He obsesses over something that happened a while back and which he later pretended to put behind with an apology TO ME.
and now in any place where I disagree with him (in this thread it’s about Patterico) he then dredges it all up all over again, even if it has nothing to do with the topic on hand.
and like you give a shit about teen girls… you were quite happy to hold two of them up to ridicule here just the other day.
You’re a sick sick woman, Darleen.
I think they should follow the rules.
Then fucking don’t dump on people who expose them NOT following the rules. You belie your assertion when you slander people who do the exposing.
I was being gracious. But you never apologized to me Darleen, did you?
Get help.
oh I can slander Lila Rose all fucking day long, Darleen… she’s a deranged fascist cumslut that likes to pretend she’s a white trash 13 year old for Jesus
where’s the link for what you said to me Darleen?
you were quite happy to hold two of them up to ridicule here just the other day
I wrote of ONE TEEN who pursued MEDIA ATTENTION by filing a lawsuit as first recourse. I ridiculed the ACT OF FILING A LAWSUIT.
I have pointed to ridiculous lawsuits many times before.
Why you think that talking about such when the filers are people who you believe are so special they can never do something silly says more about you and your issues.
Was that supposed to be bait?
Listen: Darleen argues from a social con perspective oftentimes. Often times I don’t agree. But that’s how and why having different perspectives is supposed to push forward the conversation.
Demanding that they cease to exist is not an argument. An argument is like the one Barone (or I) made, when it comes to fashioning a party narrative. Calling people cumsluts, hicks, and whores is not the same thing — nor is saying things like “reluctant pro choicers are really just weak-minded, cowardly oppressors afraid to admit to their inner totalitarianism” a helpful entry into conversation, if it isn’t backed up by an argument.
More time crafting arguments, less time fashioning folksy phrasings, is my advice.
nonono… you did that post because you were offended by a couple of uppity teen dykes Darleen… and you wanted everyone to excoriate them
You lie and lie.
ok Mr. G I hear you
well said.
looks like happy’s going for the thor/Frey “you will ban me and I will be vindicated because of it” ploy.
That was rather predictable, I think.
“oh I can slander Lila Rose all fucking day long, Darleen”
‘Cuz of the conformity!!
I think it’s pretty obvious that your moral compass is spinning wildly hf.
I spent a great deal of time explaning I was talking about your moral compass on a particular issue … that you stated that abortion and adoption were morally equivalent.
That never meant your compass was wrong on other issues (I said at the time) and it doesn’t mean that any WOMEN is an immoral person for having an abortion, even if the act itself is morally questionable. And that doesn’t mean that abortion should be ILLEGAL.
But in pursuit of your hobbyhorse, none of that matters. You continue to sandbag. You act dishonestly. You are a harasser. Whatever.
I don’t want to be banned. I wanted an answer to a question I didn’t want to ask and I got it.
I can understand that you’re reluctant to quote what you said at the time Darleen. You’re happy to revise what you said but don’t want to offer an apology for what you said the first time around.
I get it.
Should we name the thor/Frey ploy, “The Nishizono Maru”? You know, as a paean to deranged single mindedness and sticking to the narrative, irrespective of any stubborn facts.
Or is that too Star Trek geeky?
“Facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!”
you did that post because you were offended by a couple of uppity teen dykes Darleen
Why yes, Happyfeet, YOU READ MY MIND!!! Just like Patterico can read JeffG’s mind about being RAAAACIST and threatening VIOLENCE!!
Now, this is where I’m supposed to collapse in a mass if quivering goo and start defending myself on my gay-friendly bonafides. You know, my previous statements of how proud I am that #4 daughter was a founding member of her high school’s GSA, my taking in #3 daughter’s best friend to live with us for months when he was tossed out of his home when he revealed he was gay … But people who know me know all those stories and also know from my past postings on this very blog that I don’t fetishize gays. They are just PEOPLE like everyone else.
Every bit of Jeff’s posts on intentionalism have gone right by you, you little squint.
Yes I know you had a pet fag once. You’ve told us.
You’re a beautiful person.
Happyfeet
You’re the obsessed one, not me. I’m sure you have that link handy because, damn, just like Pat you’ve been saving it.
Not that everything I said subsequent (which I just reiterated above) makes any difference.
If you interpreted my first “broken compass” to mean YOU in totality for all time – I apologize because that is not the impression I wanted to convey. Just like I just said again for the umpteenth time.
I will not apologize for stating that there is a moral difference between adoption and abortion. Because that’s true.
I’d like to say this is the LAST time I will answer your sandbagging slanders. I will try to ignore your vile baitings, but I guess that depends on how Patterico you go on me.
You’re a mean drunk, HF.
Yes I know you had a pet fag once
Fuck you. I consider him a son and he’s in my life and he is an obviously better person than you.
Duke
Drunks sober up.
No Jeff…..there is only one direction….towards complexity and disorder…the direction of increasing entropy.
The second law of thermodynamics.
and we can’t travel to the past because of Dr. Carroll’s closedform timecurves….we can only travel to the future.
Culture does evolve in the “ways i think”……it evolves in response to environment, technology, demographics….look how social networking has changed the topolgy of culture….how the internet has changed it.
The status quo is an untenable position because everything evolves.
You are wrong, First Sempai-sama.
…and so…..now you are going purge ‘feets? because he can think?
pretty shabby IMHO.
Palin is a mean, shrill carny barker who is executing a head-fake run on the presidency to scam the marks for bucks.
She cant hold an open presser or debate Obama……and she knows it.
She is just going to bleed you long enough to fuck up Romney’s chances.
There’s one born every minute.
Good point, Darleen. I guess it’s just disappointing to see someone I thought I liked go so far off the rails.
Palin is a mean, shrill carny barker
I think hf just came in his tightywhities.
No Jeff…..there is only one direction….towards complexity and disorder…the direction of increasing entropy.
The second law of thermodynamics.
Culture follows the laws of thermodynamics? That right there is some retarded gibberish. Could even melt steel.
And a predator. Or wannabe. Or enabler.
I like the idea where we should focus on things like how Barcky is trying to fuck up our country, and how the ideas of individual liberty and economice freedom are being shit upon.
Nice try at appearing thoughtfully academic and wise. But in a complex system, such as the Earth, and especially in a sociaty where human nature and behavior provides almost infinate variables, entropy may appear to decrease locall, as long as it increases for the overall system…
And which Carroll are you talking about? I mean, please don’t tell me you’re conflating the notions of chemical reaction time curves and time travel…
And just how has social networking changed the “topology” of culture? It may have accelerated social interations, and satisfied the need for instant cratification in social communications, but “topology”?
It sounds like you’re trying to hit a lot of buzzwords to say something that can be expressed more simply…
#973 is directed at Nishi…
we can only travel to the future
But that doesn’t equate with “progress.”
Otherwise, the secret of making concrete wouldn’t have been lost for centuries.
…and now she communicates to us that she has no understanding of either math or thermodynamics. Entropy only increases for the universe as a whole, not for any arbitrarily small portion of the universe. Entropy can, and is, locally decreased. Life is (locally, mind you) negative-entropy, as is the making of things.
Is there anything that this shallow, vapid (but very hip) girl cannot fail to understand? Stay tuned!
This is the same person who says rightwingerz is intrinsically anti-science. I mean, I am laughing so hard in disbelief right now that I can barely keyboard.
I just said the very same thing Slart,
I guess the nishi should avoid trying to use thermodynamics as an affectation of BRILLIANCE!…
And I get the impression that when she’s talking about the arrow of time, she’s referring to the progress of a chemical reaction!
I mean, how is one a high-flying, cutting edge, genetics research scientist and get this kind of stuff so wrong?
Of course, Obama-the constitutional scholar-doesn’t seem to understand that either…
I know it’s horribly racist to even consider this, but could it be an affirmative action thing? Or just too much exposure to emo music and techno-pop?
Oh, yes; there’s this:
Which nishi completely misunderstands to be about time travel.
Laughing really hard right now. I’d better go to the men’s room before I pee myself laughing.
Face it, Bob, when a couple of old, tragically unhip antisciencers have much more of a fundamental grasp of math and science than our brilliant extraordinarily hip memesurfer, it might just be a sign that she should pay more attention in class instead of texting.
jeez. niceness counts, slart.
why you gotta be so mean?
how is one a high-flying, cutting edge, genetics research scientist and get this kind of stuff so wrong?
I’m getting more of a low-level bio lab rat kind of vibe, Bob. I don’t think numeracy ever troubled our Star Traveler.
you owe me a new pair of underwear, feets.
Slart,
I’m getting an image of a woman sitting in an organic chem lab observing titrations, surfing the web in an i-phone at the same time. Every once in a while typing a stream of nonsense punctuated by “lulz”, or “lawl”, or “hahahahahahahaha”. And her parents are wondering why undergrad is going on 7 years…
Oh, and in your description of us you left out, “xtianist Taliban h8terz”…
They don’t write stuff this good in Hollywood anymore.
SW,
Slart thought it might be Dyscalculia, somewher back in the 800’s…
Sounds like a history lesson when referred to that way.
Come on, surely we can come up with
1514 more comments…Lee, I’m sure the meme-bot will eventually return; if only to seem to have the last word. And then it’s straight to DU or Kos to spread news of her triumph over the xtian-Taliban, knuckle-dragging, old fart, anti-science, racists wingnutz at PW…
988th!
I want to see about The Runaways.
Only 10 more comments to go, he noted in passing.
…Uh… This is rather spectacular in its wrongheadedness.
Uh, but you do agree we can, say, document the past. Right? And then refer back to those documentations at the present moment. Right?
Wow. Too many cyberpunk novels and not enough textbook reading yields quite a bit of important sounding gibberish and category errors, evidently.
We could start a flame war. That would probably get us to 2000.
Only a complete idiot would suggest such a thing!
I’ll be damned if I’ll participate in this pointless comment number compilation. Damn
itme.Oh, it’s on!
Slartibartfast? WTF kind of name is that? Sounds like a breakfast cereal.
Boy, does your ass look fat in those.
We’re one buttons “Orr” short of 1000.
“Slartibartfast? WTF kind of name is that? Sounds like a breakfast cereal.”
Says the guy from a Great Dane comic strip.
If I had feelings that would have hurt them SW.
For Graeme Frost this weekend must be like 1,000 Christmases.
AAAAAANNNND 1000!
Yeah, and LBascom sounds like a catalog for cheap clothing.
You know who’s a real poser? Nishi. I bet she hasn’t layed even one king.
The Second Law of Nishidynamics:
The length of a thread grows as an exponential function of how many times Nishi the Threadslayer comments on it.
1005th!
happyfeet,
Joan Jett lives in the town I do here on the south shore of Long Island. In face, we used to see her out sometimes at the local bars-hanging out, not performing; unless, of course, you consider downing beers performing!
She was pretty cool back in the day. I told her so one evening. She said, “thanks”, and went back to drinking. I duess she has to endure a lot of those kind of mildly uncomfortable fans-congratulating-you-for-25-years-past-performances…
But, you know, I figured I should give her her props.
Oh. Missed this bit:
Who said it doesn’t? Not me. But adding new things to culture doesn’t mean it always goes in some unfamiliar direction. Culture “evolved” from the disco and free love of the seventies to the moral majority of the eighties by way of appeals to certain values that were for a time no longer foregrounded. It was new, but it was also built around something not new. It evolved into something quaint. One step forward, two steps back.
Status quo seems to be your new catch-all phrase for anything you don’t much care for.
Your argument is infantile. It’s of the sort used by high school kids who discover Emma Goldman.
How about you define precisely what you mean by “status quo” and then give a detailed account of cultural evolution, as you envision it. Otherwise we are talking past each other.
she’s very America I think Bob…
quintessential
“she’s very America I think Bob…”
And another miserable Orioles fan I think, perhaps eve’ in the ownership responsible, in part at least, for that very misery. Bitch.
Did you tell Ms Jett that you were THEE BOB REED?
oh. I didn’t know.
About Joan and the Orioles.
I really need to see this movie.
Status quo seems to be your new catch-all phrase for anything you don’t much care for.
Your argument is infantile. It’s of the sort used by high school kids who discover Emma Goldman.
Two lines of pure, nougaty goodness. Evidently Jeff got the better of the cheese doodles.
Terps tomorrow afternoon sdferr…vs Michigan state, 2:30 eastern.
happy you should be a Maryland U fan, because of the Terrapins! But you probably root for a Texas college. Did you go to undergrad in Texas?
She wasn’t impressed Danger…
She smiled politely and went back to her beer…
Here ‘feets, “Cherry Bomb” 1976. The lead singer, Cherie Currie, was in a movie in 1980 that starred Jodie Foster, Foxes.
I never saw that one… is it good?
The movie…
Bob, I root for the Terps ’cause a Jim O’Brien, who was on the team back in the early Lefty years. I had played a little pick-up with him (though he attended my highschool’s most hated rival, J.E.B. Stuart); once getting to know Lefty and the gang I couldn’t let go. I’ve also rooted for the JayHawks lifelong, on account of KU is my dad’s alma mater. Which makes any advance by the two problematic next week, no? I’ll be kicking myself, I guess. And there’s a negatory on the Texas college dealio: born in Dallas, lived in Ft Worth, been a Cowboys fan forever.
I did undergrad in Texas… at a little liberal arts college what gave me a degree in english lit.
I have no idea who that person was.
For Graeme Frost this weekend must be like 1,000 Christmases.
because other kids parents’ will have their earnings stolen to pay for his parents’ fecklessness.
Must have been before you discovered the power of extra vowels Bob ;-)
sdferr,
You’re right, and Kansas is real good this year-as usual.
Lefty was a great coach. It’s interesting that you got to know him so well-from the small world department I guess.
Been years since I watched it, “Foxes”. Memory makes it a better than normal “Afterschool special” except with more edge and without the kind of “make it PG that TV goes for.
Let’s see IMDB writeup.
Hmmm, I don’t remember about the soundtrack. OK here.
at the moment Bob, KU is looking like they won’t get out of the second round. Truth to tell, I ain’t holding my breath for the Terps either.
no happyfeet,
I think you misunderstood. Maryland U’s mascot is a Diamondback Terrapin-a turtle that’s native to the mid-Atlantic and the southeast.
This guy: http://tinyurl.com/y8armx7
And I know you’re a turtle guy, that’s all.
Yeah Danger, but more likely she’s been hit on a zillion times by the Vinnie-bad-of-donuts kind of guys here on L.I.
Besides, I didn’t lay down my mack rap on her anyway…
My wife would have slapped me in the back of the head had I done so!
I haven’t watched any of today’s games sdferr. It’s been too nice out here on the porch!
in the asphalt desert of the San Fernando Valley
::::sigh::: wasn’t so asphalty in the 50s and 60s. Even a pretty decent place in the 70’s
husband and I did some house hunting there about 6 or 7 years ago and were sorely disappointed – “What the hell happened to The Valley?”
on the info stream Bob, down ten then, down seven now, UNI’s ball, 6:54 to go.
that is an alpha turtle
Darleen you can go to Mexicali on Ventura and they have neat pictures of the Valley before people
It’s hard to get your head around.
This thread deserves some Outlaw Blues.
Darleen,
Movie was released 1980 so it is Carter “malaise” era. Get drunk or high because we’re all gonna die, teen angst. “Desert” more referred to their souls not the land.
Foxes sounds kind of proto-less than zero.
If the hoochies had any money anyway.
Speaking of time machines:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time_machine.png
I have Foxes on DVD. Cherie Currie and I believe Jodie Foster. Good character study kinda 70s-esque flick, worth it for the nostalgia if you’re of a certain age.
hf
I grew up in Granada Hills.. attended Rinaldi Street Elementary school and remember walking through orange groves to get there.
That was… several moons ago.
geoffb
well, pre-prop 13 had a huge hand in stripping the last of the farms/orchards/ranches from The Valley, so I guess that would have a double meaning there.
TWEEEEEEEET! And an extra E for Bob!
We gotta repeated post violation by Ms Baxtrice. Post # 1031 infringing on the turf of post # 81.
Check the replay:
81.Comment by General Danger on 3/18 @ 3:13 pm #
Doc Coburn is conducting radical surgery.
Jeff,
Don’t go wobbly on us, as Sammy would say “you just do what you do babe”.
Besides, Where ya gonna run; Where ya gonna hide?
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When you people get done with those get your little fingers clicking on your keyboards, your phones, your faxes and your dadgum PDA’s. You tell those bastards that it’s zero hour and we’re fixin to drop some warheads on foreheads!
That was… several moons ago.
Rinaldi Street – 1959 thru 1965, Patrick Henry Jr. High 1966-68
Man, html doesn’t survive the 1000 post transfer Who knew?
it’s still a lot less claustrophobic up there than further South… much more Pleasantville
my old elementary school is now adult center, though the playground is still there. Imagine that surrounded surrounded on three sides by orange groves.
Back then Porter Ranch was a real working ranch.
oh crap
better link
Way to kill the thread before it even had a chance to really get going, Darleen.
That’s funny right there. I don’t care who you are. That’s funny.
/Larry
*lulz* *lawl*
‘feets, get help. Really. Your shit is all sideways.
Hey, nishi! Can you ‘splain how Allah fits into all of this? As sala’amu alaikum.
Jeff:
What’s the record length for a pw thread? I know this one ain’t the longest, but it’s gotta be in the top 10.
That Sarah Palin troll infested thread back in 2008 went over 1500 comments. IIRC
This one.
1,053rd!
Is the thread dead, yet? The boys in the newsroom have a runnning bet.
Not dead! Possibly undead though.
Plenty of Dirty Laundry to discuss Slart;)
<twitch> 1,057th! <cough>
So, what did I miss?
“So, what did I miss?”
Sorry no cliff notes for this one Yackums (too ugly to describe). You’ll have to slog your way through it like I did.
my shit is not sideways and all those peoples what said hey you have to admit Sarah Palin and her deathy deathy death panels derailed health care when nobody else could can kiss my dirty socialist ass I think
So it is Sarah Palin’s fault this bill got passed? Dude that is even nuttier than nishfong.
By and large I find that a thread without thor, nishi or happyfeet, makes more sense.
He didn’t say it was Sarah Palin’s fault B Moe, plainly. He said that the derailing attributed to her didn’t happen, and he’s right. She may have been correct and brought something important to public attention, but in the end the fucking fascists have temporarily carried the day.
It’s exceedingly disheartening I think.
So fucking what?
Congratulations, happyfeet, you have an incredible grasp of the obvious.
People need to get serious for a change happyfeet. Necessity the mother of invention might carry some weight here, so there may be hidden hope yet.
So whatever B Moe, let’s misinterpret what he says and see if that makes us feel better, is that it? Geez.
I understand the literal meaning of his words, sdferr, but what was the point? Am I not allowed to assume an implied meaning based on his previous temper tantrums?
Geez, indeed.
Oh, ok, so it does make you feel better. Well then, by all means, carry on and don’t let me get in your way.
And just for the record, happyfeet’s “point” is still hanging out there: he doesn’t believe that Sarah Palin (who I happen to like well enough, by the way) has the character and “parts”, in the archaic sense of the term, to deliver our politics into a better day. Now he may be right or he may be wrong, I do not know how it will all come out, but with each passing day her vaunted strengths are still not entirely apparent to me, so the questions happyfeet raises are worth pondering, from where I stand.
Now I wouldn’t go about the questioning in happyfeet’s manner, but the questioning, apart from the manner, is well worth the effort, if our political salvation as a nation is worth the effort.
the hopes is all kinds of hidden yet I think…
B Moe sure is grumpy
I don’t get the comment either. It’s clear public opinion is decidedly against it, and it’s also clear that Palin helped drive that home. That the progressives went ahead and pushed this through in an unprecedented fashion has nothing to do with Palin that doesn’t positively highlight her contributions.
Even if they were done in the kind of charismatic way that gives the more “sophisticated” staunch conservatives hives.
I think there’s a leadership vacuum on the right what is unprecedented in my lifetime…
something unexpected’s bound to happen there I think
A point he has made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made. And made.
To the extent that calling her a “whore” makes a point.
B Moe is watching his current profession disappear right in front of him. That happened to B Moe once already, during Carter and it fucking sucked ass. B Moe was just a young man then, and could easily learn a new trade. B Moe is an old man now facing retirement soon, and would be fucked beyond anything you can imagine if the shit hits the fan like B Moe imagines it might. That is why B Moe has a very low tolerance for children spouting the obvious like it is some revelation from fucking heaven.
That’s a good point.
She evidently does stand as some sort of emotional lightening rod. Is that a function of identity politics? Hell if I know, but damned if I don’t wonder, seeing the reactions about her all over the boggy-sphere.
I have great sympathy for the woman myself, but her actual political accomplishments are fading in relevance for the time being. Her rhetorical strength diminishes with exposure: it simply doesn’t have the oomph that it had at her initial appearance on the national stage (and in this, I judge only for myself by my immediate responses to her speech as and when delivered), whereas a growing political force of personality could reasonably be expected to improve and carry one farther than before. So I have an anxiety that I’m witnessing a tide in recession rather than one coming into flood. But as always, my judgment may be faulty and be nothing to depend on.
I think the gravity of the situation creates a dynamic what favors people who do over people who yack.
Politics without yacking? How is that done? Like Genghis Khan, maybe?
That’s damned disconcerting when we don’t quite know whether our Fox News Contributors are fucking Moses reincarnate.
We should focus more better.
And I’ve no doubt you’ll help us all do just that Pablo.
I just think people what have their hands on a tiller now are more likely to be handed a bigger tiller than people what have their hands on a microphone.
Palin increasingly an irrelevant non-factor? maybe…
But Cap’n Ed doesn’t exactly see it that way; and I tend to agree.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/22/palin-out-of-touch-congress-sounds-clarion-call/
But we’ll see as time goes on. No offense meant to any who dismiss Ed’s opinions out of hand-for whatever reasons.
Me? I have my eye on Mr. Ryan from Wisconsin
It sort of pisses me off to have gotten myself interposed in this asinine back and forth about Palin, but I did it to myself so I suppose I oughtn’t to complain.
Be that as it may, I said: “her actual political accomplishments are fading in relevance for the time being.” Which I would think is obviously not the same thing as “Palin increasingly an irrelevant non-factor?”. Just so it’s clear that I don’t take that stance, in case anyone chose to be confused.
By “her actual political accomplishments” I intended her acts in government in Alaska, ridding the party there of bad actors, negotiating with energy companies, etc.
By and large, I think this a waste of time and would prefer to withdraw from the conversation, and will, at least to the extent that my own intentions aren’t further discombobulated hereafter.
“This is just the beginning of our efforts to take back our country,” burbles Sarah.
okey dokey… notwithstanding that we’re 0 for like a thoozand so far.
ZOMG! Is that on her Facebook, ‘feets?
‘scuse me, I’ve gotta run right over and read the newest Fox News Contributor’s Notes. brb.
It is! It is!
What a stupid cumslut, with all her babbling! And yet, somehow, it may be the most important thing anyone says maybe ever.
This liberty thing is confusing.
sdferr,
My comment wasn’t aimed in your direction, but at an overall sentiment I’ve heard in several places over the last few weeks in general.
No offense intended.
None taken then Bob, my misunderstanding.
she’s like that hoochie what feeds fish to the killer whale what is eying her ponytail
For the record, no lesbian seagulls were harmed while filming the closing credits for Bridge on the River Kwai.
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