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Just plain ol’ [INSERT APPROVED ETHNIC/RELIGIOUS/GRIEVANCE GROUP HERE] spirit by those Others.
“Majority Islamic school district”
See? Now we’re off to a bad start right there.
The Bible refers to Islam as “The abomination that causes desolation…”, and every passing day proves the description more apt.
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Yes. Before people start throwing timelines around, I know that the death cult we call Islam started centuries after Christ was raised from the dead. Do you think that God didn’t see it coming?
Obviously, the black background with white lettering was more educated and urbane than the red letters (ugly font! geez!) on a plain white-cracker background.
Also, bumpersticker deconstructed. (h/t Jonah)
Again with tee-shirts, Jeff. You’ll never get invited to the Educated ‘n’ Urbane club that way.
Are you now or have you ever been a creationist?
Oh. And lest we forget.
Do you know any creationists and have you ever been less than rude to any of them?
We’ll find out, you know.
The Bible refers to Islam as “The abomination that causes desolation…”, and every passing day proves the description more apt.
You weren’t serious, were you Mr. W?
I wonder if Andy Sullivan will call me racist for bringing this up.
It is puzzling, after all, why I’d care. What with jihad being a non-issue and all.
Neither of these sets of kids were actually punished, so at least we’re spare the attending circus on that score.
these ones did a tasteful and I think nice sort of tangential gloss on the 9/11 in this video… I was kind of impressed how deft they were in invoking it for their little pop song without being offensive
well. About the post. Here’s what I think about the post. From what we know there’s only one set of parents what are even possibly embarrassed. And I bet those ones are, really.
also that’s the guy I think looks just like Joyce Dewitt
In one case, the ACLU was involved. Seems they are perhaps using some baffling criteria for which cases they choose to champion and which they just ignore.
Or maybe they’re just giving out a volumn discount.
Here’s my take. You have to teach your kids not to be offensive little pricks. You also have to teach them that others will be.
Assuming Mr. W really was serious, I offer this:
The Prophet Muhammed was born around 570 AD. The most recently written book in the Bible was written in about 95 AD.
So, there’s something wrong with that logic, I think.
I think Mr. W is probably referring to Ishmael.
Although it appears to be a quote from Daniel, so maybe not.
Just to play devil’s advocate, is it possible that the Arab students intended something else by their shirt design?
Incitement to violence, or the celebration of the incitement to violence is not protected speech.
Saying that Islam is of the Devil, an argument that can be made by the many provable acts of violence committed in the name of Islam, is simple critique of an ideology.
But in Islam incitement to violence = critique of Islam.
Other than an eagle/their team mascot flying into the twin towers?
I dunno.
I do not think it unreasonable for the Gainsboro, Florida school to send the girl home to get another shirt because it stated “Islam is of the Devil.” Was she punished beyond that? I cannot tell from the story (I hope not). I hate PC crap, but either you allow everything or you have to restrict equally along some basis. If there were any Islamic kids in her school, I could see that shirt being disruptive.
Given the Dearborn, Michigan school asked the kids there to take off the offensive 9/11 shirts and they did–I am not sure what the difference there is? Well, I get that in a school district with a lot of Arabs [Americans] they are going to fall all over themselves to be PC to the kids. That makes me sick. But they did have the kids take the shirts off.
Ah, Edsel Ford steps in it again.
As a Dearborn High grad I am not too upset the Thunderchickens screwed the pooch
Comment by dicentra on 1/6 @ 9:51 am #
Black and white are the school’s colors.
The same points could be made about Christianity, no? It wasn’t all that long ago that slaughtering and torturing were justified by doing them in the name of God.
I’m not surprised by either of these stories, though it does point to the usual double standard that has been set up in our society by the forces of tolerance. Florida is hardly the bible belt, but I am puzzled that the school would use a dress code stipulation most likely meant to curtail the wearing of jeans with the asses cut out of them, or any other “strategically” placed view ports, to squelch a message that they didn’t agree with. I mean, having been through all of the “first amendment” ars in the people’s republic of Maryland, where the issue revolved around “offensive” t-shirts and other garb sold by vendors in Ocean City, I thought it was pretty clear that regardless of how “in your face” the shirt art is it is your right to foist it upon the world. Kind of like Mapplethorpe photography.
And in Michigan, Fuhgeddabowditt, anything goes. That state is multi-culti-east, ranking slightly below California and New York in the “celebration of diversity” and essentially pandering to all the usual preferred victimhood groups, at the expense of the majority, of course…
But truthfully, shouldn’t their right to free expression allow this, just as it will allow all of us to call them assholes as well?
There will be a day of reckoning too, in the future, for all of this victimhood crap. But I fear it will only come after one of the current victimhood group becomes the ethnic majority, and then scraps the legislative contrivances they freely partook of. It’ll be the human corrallary to NIMBY, but it will be “You ain’t gettin’ none of mine homes [or esse if you wish], work for your own!”
And on that day, there will be no hew and cry from the liberals, because “The Man!” will have finally been taken down…
See the new boss, just the same as the old boss…
Me, I’m in favor of school uniforms, which would solve all this malarkey. School kids shouldn’t be using clothing to “express themselves” anyway, as if self-expression were a virtue unto itself.
Problem solved. Now explain to me why I’m still not Supreme Grand Empress of Everything.
Agreed, dicentra.
My kid’s school doesn’t explicitly forbid messaged teeshirts in the dress code, but it does say that students have to respect the religion of other students.
Saying that Islam is of the Devil, an argument that can be made by the many provable acts of violence committed in the name of Islam, is simple critique of an ideology.
Saying that Islam is of the Devil is not a simple critique of an ideology; it’s an opinion, just as Christopher Hitchens’s God Is Not Great is an opinion. That book is also chock-full of provable acts of violence committed in the name of Christianity.
If there were any Islamic kids in her school, I could see that shirt being disruptive.
Even if there were no Islamic kids in the school, it’s a pretty tasteless tee-shirt to be wearing to school.
Bob you make a good point about double standards when a victimized minority becomes the majority.
I am not sure there was a double standard on these shirts (it is hard to tell from the stories). Both shirts were not allowed to be worn in the different schools. You can infer there was a lot more pandering about it in Dearborn.
But if some kid wore a shirt declaring that Judaism and Christianity were of the Devil–is that okay? I would say no if only because it would be disruptive (beyond being merely offensive and stupid). If you want to wear a shirt like that in public that is fine–(I would suggest going to a country western bar close to closing time when everyone is really fired up). But personally, I wish all public schools went with uniforms (like they do in the rest of the world) or strict neutral dress code.
My kids’ school requires uniforms. They have a crafty way of fund-raising: Every so often, the students can pay $2.00 apiece, and on Dress Down Friday not wear their uniforms.
I agree dicentra, it is tasteless.
“By their fruits shall you know them…”
The fruit of Islam is indeed desolation. If Islam is not direct evidence of the existence of Satan, then it is a sad commentary on the base nature of man.
I would be happy to learn of all of the wonders brought to mankind by Islamists. And not the obvious ones like suicide bombs, and clitorectomies, please.
And Darth, that Jesus quote from the New Testament is a response to a question about what signs will indicate the end of the age. Jesus is referring to the Dome of the Rock, Islam’s great shrine in Jerusalem which stands where the Great Temple once stood.
As the man once said, when it comes to God, we shall see…
I don’t think children should be wearing such things to school, and have no problems with (actually, I prefer them) school uniforms. But if school boards have to allow political speech in schools, then all political speech should be allowed. To be fair to the ACLU, I could only find a Michigan affiliate mouthpiece praising the school decision not to sanction the students, while the Florida affiliate has apparently raised legal action on behalf of the “Islam Is Of The Devil” t-shirt wearer.
I am as guilty as anyone of writing first and reading later, but this NUMBER FOUR POST was meant to head off the Christ/Mohommad timeline question in advance.
4.Comment by Mr. W on 1/6 @ 9:49 am #
Yes. Before people start throwing timelines around, I know that the death cult we call Islam started centuries after Christ was raised from the dead. Do you think that God didn’t see it coming?
Silver Whistle, that information is helpful. I am actually pleasantly surprised the ACLU is defending the Christian kids in Florida. The school district there is being stupid in responding to this (they should just state a clear policy and have some balls to justify it). But many school administrators are wussies.
Gee. It’s like the second t-shirt confirms the assertion from the first…sorta.
Did Jesus foresee Islam in what he said in the Gospels? That sounds like a BelieverNet or Anchoress question to me.
Isn’t this like asking if Jesus can throw a pitch that Jesus could not hit?
God is omniscient, ergo, he saw Islam coming.
Sure, he was. Because Jesus foretold all KINDS of specific events that happened positively centuries later.
No, try again. This assertion that you’ve blandly foisted on us as fact has no scholarly basis. I get that you believe it, but I don’t see any reason to.
No, not at all, Joe. If you believe that Jesus was the son of God, then I think it’s fairly obvious that you may also think that Jesus would have no trouble seeing into the future.
Also, I’m all for uniforms in school. My 10 year old daughter argue (playfully I might add) all the time about it. It’s looking like the district we are in is going to implement a dress code next year and she is none too happy about it.
Mr. W, I had indeed forgotten the Matthew verse, I was thinking of the Daniel reference to “abomination of desolation”, or the temple of Zeus built in the Temple of Jerusalem, that Jesus is referencing in Matthew. Coz I think it’s clear that the author of Daniel was referring to what Antiochus Epiphanes did.
And I’m not intending to argue biblical hermeneutics with you, I wasn’t clear on where you stood. I am now, that’s good enough for me.
Biblical prophecies tend to be rather unspecific. Maybe you’ve got a modern-day Daniel to interpret your dreams for you?
The nice thing about America is that I have a right to say anything I want about God, and you have the inalienable right to ignore it.
With the mortality rate still hovering around 100 percent, Slartibartfast, it is safe to say that we will all find out what the Truth is.
On that, you have my complete agreement.
I also agree with this 100%. Note that it goes both ways, though.
If you believe Jesus is part of the Trinity of God then of course he is omnipotent and all seeing. Still, debating the bible quotes that arguably indicate Jesus was predicting the rise of Islam seems more of a BeliefNet/Anchoress issue than a PW issue.
Given the “fruits” of radical Islam lately, you do not need to be a believer in Christ to see there is a serious problem with a significant faction of the Islamic faith.
I do wish you weren’t going to Hell, though.
But truthfully, shouldn’t their right to free expression allow this
Only if they were adults. Since they are not, they don’t really have a right to free speech.
If we’re going to argue religion, how about PC vs. Mac?
#27.
Yes, you have grasped the point exactly….you could say the same thing about Christianity, in fact people do all the time. They don’t get killed for it, nor taken to jail for it. Nope, they get their picture in the paper, along with both supportive and critical letters.
But criticize Islam if you live in Europe and you put your life on the line. Sure Christianity deserves critique. Have at it! But at least have the decency to admit that at this moment, circa 2010 c.e., simple observation tells us that if a bomb goes off, the smart money bet is “Muslim”.
There has to be something very wrong with a spiritual system that encourages suicide and mass murder.
I kid, Slartibartfast! What I meant was that you are PROBABLY going to Hell.
My pastor would be extremely disappointed by that. It wasn’t all that long ago that WELS Lutherans were the only ones that were getting backstage passes.
Islamists protect Mohommad with death threats because he is the nine year old girl of Prophets. In need of constant defending due to his all-to-human weakness.
Oh, sorry. It was Mohommad’s fourth wife who was the nine year old girl. But hey, at least she was a girl!
Mohommad: Putting the ‘Prophet’ in ‘Pedophile’ for over sixteen centuries now!
I had you pegged as more of an Episcopalian.
That tends to point more to your poor powers of observation than to any shortcoming on my part, says I.
The High School shirt seems a poorly done message. It’s very hard to really tel what was intended exactly.
They are the class of ’11. The 11 is clearly designed to represent towers, givne the little windows, but it is also representative of the members of the class who identify with the graduation date.
The 9/11 imagery is undeniable. That much of the intent is crystal clear.
The Thunderbird mascot is diving toward it. It is also representative of the class members as students of the school.
Given these, we have the imagery of a group attacking itself?
Add the slogan, which muddies the waters further. “Can’t bring us down.” That’s a different outcome than the one we knew from 9/11. “Us” surely means the class. If the towers are the class, then even the impact of the oncoming Thunderbird will not bring it down.
The clearest interpretation, without a clear statement of intent, I can come up with is that the mascot represents the school administration rather than the students, which, makes the shirt defiant, but not an incitement to violence. In fact, it would seem the opposite–even passive, they are strong enough to bear the “assault” of authority.
I am an Orthodox Rastafarian, so it’s probably the weed messing with my powers of observation.
The whole relativity argument regarding Christianity and Islam is bogus, imo. I believe that dicentra called the “Christianity” that everybody gets upset about what it really was…Christendom. There wasn’t much, if any, Christianity actually involved in Christendom. Now, with Islam, it’s much clearer. We have a very good idea (thanks in very large parts to Islamic historians) of what Muhammed actually did. The man was a shit stain. A pretty formidable military man, maybe, but a shit stain still the same. He is Islam. Islam is him. Jesus, on the other hand was a good man. Nothing like Muhammed. He is Christianity. Christianity is him. These two progenitors of these two faiths are how we judge those faiths. Or rather how we should. Now, you can think they’re both loons, but at least be honest enough to notice the vast differences in both words and actions between these two completely different men. The world needs more REAL Christians and less REAL Muslims.
Robert W. White:
The only way to miss the clear intent of the shirt is to work very hard at missing it.
BTW, I wasn’t speaking to anyone in particular with the previous comment. It’s just that I’ve had this conversation quite a bit lately with the equivalence crowd. As a Christian, I have absolutely no problem with people hating on Jesus and the mere thoguht of his divinity. I figure Jesus is big boy, he cand handle it. I just despise the equivalence argument. “Christians killed in the name of their God, too.” They weren’t Christians, then. It’s really simple.
There has to be something very wrong with a spiritual system that encourages suicide and mass murder.
I don’t know that Islam itself encourages suicide and mass murder. Lots of imams would argue convincingly that the jihadis are waaaaaay out of line.
Reduce it to brass tacks, already. The Wahhabists and Salafis are not much different from the Nazis — their ideology is that We Are Entitled To Rule over the inferior masses, but this time instead of racial supremacy it’s religious supremacy.
Which gives the infidel an out — at least you can convert to keep your head on your shoulders. Unless you’re a Jew, of course, so that’s one point where the Nazis and Jihadis correspond exactly.
Islam is the scaffolding for this latest Tyranny Cult, not necessarily the core of it, any more than Darwinian evolution was the core of Nazism.
Yes, Islam has bloody borders. The Quran contains vehement verses against the infidel and the Jew. But what you and I think the Quran or Islam says and what the Muslims think they say are two different things, and our opinion on the matter is largely irrelevant.
A Tyrrany Cult is not a spiritual system. Much of the barbarity associated with Islam predates Islam by centuries. The desert people have always been harsh and violent, and Islam in some way preserves or at least enables it.
The bloodthirstiness of Christendom likewise preceded Christianity’s arrival by centuries, too.
Face it: humanity is violent, harsh, and depraved wherever you find us. The ostensible motives (science, religion, patriotism) are mere window-dressing.
Excuse the typos. Wow.
Robert W. White, a good example of how those kids are getting a very crappy education (imagine that at Edsel High School in Dearborn, MI). The symbolism is very confused. Now if they had someone teaching them about intent, symbolism, and critical thinking they might get it.
Um, may I jump in? Other than the Vatican are there any current functioning Christian Theocracies in the world today?
Islam?
We are about 150 – 200 years removed from widespread violence of the forced conversion/burning of the witches variety whereas Islam is making conversion by force a religious precept in at least a few Islamic Theocracies. They are the only religion in the entire world that has enough capable adherents committed to radical jihad to threaten anyone in the world, regardless of religious or political castes.
So, with all due respect to both Slarti and Hitchens (two people I respect) the violence equivalency argument between Christianity and Islam is horribly dated and, thus, rather uncritical.
It wasn’t all that long ago that WELS Lutherans were the only ones that were getting backstage passes.
Huh, that’s what they told us LCMS. Somebody’s gonna get a stiff letter.
That is often used as a justification for Mohammed’s actions, dicentra. I can see that 100%…for a man. Mohammed was supposed to be carrying out the absolute will of Allah, so I can’t just so casually let it go. And for the modern prog/pacifist this shouldn’t be an excuse, either. I know, I know. They don’t really give two shits about Mohammed/Allah or Jesus/God, but the hypocrisy is so flagrant it’s chilling.
As I posted at LGF: “60% of Republicans say humans were created in their present form by God 10,000 years ago.”
So what are you going to say about that wingnuts? I look forward to your crazy Creationist response.
It was more of a parallel than an equivalency. Consider that Islam just might be a lot like Christianity of 500 years ago, in terms of cultural maturity.
I’m not saying that makes them right, any more than it made the Inquisition (for example) right.
Wrong blog, “Charles.” PW don’t take that bait.
[psssst! Don’t take the bait!]
Even somebody sockpuppeting Charles Johnson is neither funny nor useful. ‘Hammered.
Look, I’m not arguing that Islam isn’t a mess, culturally. You want to get to root causes, look at the sexual abuse and other types of humiliation that they visit on their children.
That’s how you get an honor-shame culture, right there: humiliate the kids. Then they’re unable to deal with slights and reversals.
And the “poverty creates jihad” meme is also a little bit true: the Jews set up camp amid the Muslims and prosper — obviously, the Jews cheated the Muslims out of something. And besides, how is it that the infidel prospers while the warriors of Allah live in squalor?
They must be punished, all of them, to set things aright. It’s sick stuff.
[Sorry, di. Gotta snap at that minnow.]
Only 60%? I coulda swore it was at least 99.5%. Everybody knows that 10,000 years ago there was a diplodocus in every pot and two pteranodons in every cave.
Now go take a macro picture of a rusty tin can on a shitty beach somewhere, why don’tcha?
Jesus advised his apostles to take their swords with them after he was gone from them, let us assume he did not mean as a fashion accessory.
I think that means, “Love thy neighbor…” (but don’t be a punk about it).
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said “Stop! don’t do it!” “Why shouldn’t I?” he said. I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!” He said, “Like what?” I said, “Well…are you religious or atheist?” He said, “Religious.” I said, “Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?” He said, “Christian.” I said, “Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?” He said, “Baptist!” I said,”Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?” He said, “Baptist church of god!” I said, “Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?” He said,”Reformed Baptist church of god!” I said, “Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?” He said, “Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!” I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off. — Emo Phillips
McGhee, this statement is clearly blasphemy: “Charles Johnson is neither funny nor useful.”
I am always funny and useful. If only as a foil.
One of these things is not like the other.
Aside from the religious differences –
The “Islam is the Devil” statement is pretty straightforward while the “You Can’t Bring Us Down” emblem involves a greater level of ambiguity and evokes more input from the observer/interpreter. Does it simply mean that “the class of ’11 is strong” or does the imagery suggest “remember who brought what down”?
To me, the biggest difference is that the ACLU only got involved in one of the cases, and it was the one we all would expect they would. They are, at least, consistent.
Don’t be trollin’ me.
Nazism was, if anything Darwin-related at all (and that’s a stretch), a remystifying reaction against his Idea (as synechdoche of “modernity”), which stripped (some say) humanity, German-ity specifically, of its mythic-historical character, as Nazism sought to “restore” it, in rhetoric if not in fact, as Reich.
And one (someone, I’m sure) can make a case that jihadism-as-we-know-it is an analogous remythifying and revalorization of humanity, “Islam, kingdom of” specifically, in reaction against its pending/ongoing collapse via/vs. modernity d.b.a. “the West,” revalorization via the restoration (rhetorical) of the myth-historical Caliphate.
It looks like a sturdy analogy, in fact.
So go with that, maybe.
I was reading that, psycho, but all that was running through my mind was “Muad’dib, Fremen, Arrakis” yada yada yada.
But that’s my problem. Damn, it’s been a long boring day.
Dune? Did you say Dune? I love this version of Gay Dune
This version is just slanderous against my hero. The Baron is so misunderstood.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 1/6 @ 10:37 am #
The Bible refers to Islam as “The abomination that causes desolation…”, and every passing day proves the description more apt.
Assuming Mr. W really was serious, I offer this:
The Prophet Muhammed was born around 570 AD. The most recently written book in the Bible was written in about 95 AD.
So, there’s something wrong with that logic, I think.
One word: prophecy.
“Comment by Slartibartfast on 1/6 @ 10:37 am #
The Bible refers to Islam as “The abomination that causes desolation…”, and every passing day proves the description more apt.
Assuming Mr. W really was serious, I offer this:
The Prophet Muhammed was born around 570 AD. The most recently written book in the Bible was written in about 95 AD.
So, there’s something wrong with that logic, I think.”
One word: prophecy.
Prophecy, sure. But of what? I work hard at missing the intent, so maybe that’s why I don’t see “Islam” indicated in the passage referred to.
See, one problem about interpreting Biblical text is that you can come up with two orthogonally sacred (if you’ll allow) interpretations.
Mr. W insists that Jesus telling his disciples to carry swords means that they should kick ass, if needed. I, on the other hand, say that He told them to come heeled to his arrest so that one of them could be-ear a guard, which would set up another miracle.
I like my interpretation better, therefore I am RIGHT!
This is what I’ve found about what Jesus said about the “abomination of desolation” and then the references in Daniel. Y’all need to help me understand what about these passages screams (or even implies) Islam. ‘Cuz I’m not seeing it.
Matthew 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (run away! instructions follow)
Daniel 8
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel 11
30 ¶ For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Andrew the Noisy wrote:
Am I allowed to take this sentence as meaning that the advocate for the Islamic students is the devil? :)
I think the passage that’s being referred to is in Matthew and Mark, dicentra. The Daniel passages can’t be it, because there are some time-specific things that are/were supposed to happen.
Wouldn’t attending a school named after Edsel Ford kind of point to non-education?
Actually, Jesus was talking about the Last Days; if baldi and Mr. W are correct we’ve had about a millenium and a half of Last Days.
This cannot be true, can it?
A sign of the end times?
Do I look like some kind of rabbinical scholar to you, Slartibartfast?
Like maybe I got the whole thing mesmerized or sumpin’?
Hey Slart, God is patient. He gave you some extra time. So straighten up and fly right.
In short, I know about that thing you did that time in that place that you think nobody knows about. ‘Nuff said?
Edsel Ford the car was evidently a marketing failure (though I’ve heard it said that there was nothing actually wrong with the car itself) with which Edsel Ford himself had nothing to do. Edsel Ford the man, son of a manufacturing magnate, wasn’t noted for any particular ignorance or non-education that I know of.
“…then shall the end come.”
Does “end” in this context necessarily mean last, rather than perhaps fulfillment in the sense of a telos?
The Edsel’s sin was the cardinal vehicular sin of being ugly. You can’t market ugly to Americans.
“You can’t market ugly to Americans.”
Ha, that’s a good one Mr W. Look into the White House lately, have you?
“…then shall the end come.”
Apparently not until Jeff or Darleen posts a new topic.
The Edsel’s sin was the cardinal vehicular sin of being ugly. You can’t market ugly to Americans.
You could sell me one – I love them.
Ha, that’s a good one Mr W. Look into the White House lately, have you?
President Obama may not be pretty, but he is proving to be a wonderful fairy princess. I wished for someone to come and destroy the Democrat Party in the US and…
*blink*
Just like that, it was done!
Rabinical scholar? Okay, who is bringing the lox and sponge cake.
Depends on which one of those you’re talking about. Encrypted and compressed, they pretty much fill up a terabyte drive.
I bet there are enough religious scholars to know the answer to this question:
How come Baptists don’t f*ck standing up?
Hitchens is no coward. But a number of other people who share his anti-Christian beliefs flame the Church mainly for three reasons: it’s easy, safe and fun.
I can’t help but notice that I don’t notice any foaming non-Muslims mobs in the streets, reacting to these T-shirts.
When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.
— Louis Veuillot
You wouldn’t want to ask podiatrists instead of religious scholars first Frontman? I mean, could be as simple as fallen arches, corns or bunion problems…
#106
It might lead to dancing.
I should have realized that it is very difficult to extort someone with no morals or reputation, Slartibartfast.
Proving the point,
Tiger: Hush money paid out to floozies in the millions.
Charlie Sheen: A crisp fifty for cab fare back to your parent’s house.
And here’s one for you: What’s the difference between Baptists and Methodists (or Catholics, or Jews, or Episcopalians, etc.)
Answer: The Methodists (or Catholics, or Jews, or Episcopalians, etc.) will say “hello” when they bump into each other in the liquor store.
You do your own reputation no favors with comparisons like that, W. Slarti’s a good guy, even if you think he’s going to Hell for having not-quite-the-correct faith in your esteem.
Did someone say rabbinical scholarship? When the Messiah comes, will he be Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform?
Answer: He’ll be Orthodox, so that everyone can eat in his kitchen.
Slart is friend.
happyfeet:
I know that my humor does not always translate onto the digital page. I will try to include more smiley face icons so that you will know I am trying to be amusing.
FOR THE RECORD:
I SAID: In short, I know about that thing you did that time in that place that you think nobody knows about. ‘Nuff said?
TO WHICH SLART REPLIED: Depends on which one of those you’re talking about. Encrypted and compressed, they pretty much fill up a terabyte drive.
TO WHICH I REPLIED: I should have realized that it is very difficult to extort someone with no morals or reputation, Slartibartfast.
Proving the point,
Tiger: Hush money paid out to floozies in the millions.
Charlie Sheen: A crisp fifty for cab fare back to your parent’s house.
SEE, HAPPYFEET? TO ME THAT WAS AMUSING.
I really liked the cab fare comment too. I’m sorry that it didn’t get more play.
Mr. W, you aren’t doing yourself any favors.
In the language of the blog, you have failed to signal your intent properly.
Pablo:
Kristol on Hugh Hewitt Now saying that new internal poll of most likely voters shows Brown slightly ahead in Massachusetts special election.
Love,
Mr. W :)
PS: Please note smiley emoticon.
I was just saying Slart is friend. Mr. W you also is friend. Who else is friend include carin and B Moe. Also my friend A is friend but y’all don’t know her. She has hypoallergenic dogs.
i listen to ej dionne on hughhew’s show. it made my brain hurt.
Why would you subject yourself to that, newrouter?
That is absolutely correct. Hitchens to his credit is definitely NOT a pussy.
What infuriates me is these leftist bastards attack observant Jews and Christians (because there is no backlash to them for doing so) but are complete and utter cowards in criticizing Islam (because a friendly Somali might show up at night to do a little work on your bathroom door).
i wanted a vocalization of davidbrooksian idiocy
Who else is friend include carin and B Moe
YEA. I made the list ;)
Kristol on Hugh Hewitt Now saying that new internal poll of most likely voters shows Brown slightly ahead in Massachusetts special election.
I would love to believe this to be true, but it sounds like what we heard about how Doug Hoffman was going to win NY-23 in a landslide (when in fact he lost in a squeaker). This is Massachusetts we are talking about and people there are naturally libtarded.
And Carin everyone considers you a friend because you are wonderful.
Everyone except thor.
David Brooks wants a ride on the Rainbow Colored Magic Unicorn Pony President.
The Rainbow Colored Magic Unicorn Pony President has removed the political blinders from the eyes of even my quasi-communist friends. He has enough Magic Pony Power to cure even bluest Massachusetts of it’s fondness for statism.
They were right; he is a light-worker! Just not for the side they thought.
He is The Rovian Candidate!
Oh, and :)
it’ll be interesting to hear from blue collar dems in mass.
I’m still trying to process psycho’s #82 comment, and I keep imagining Islamists as Brown Wagnerites. Parading onstage, howling about heroism, mysticism, and the sweet hereafter. Oh, and Jews.
I’m still trying to process one of these things is not like the other.
What a thread. Just for the information of anyone who cares, I am now patterning my life after a new religious text: the next fortune cookie I receive at Panda Express.
However, I will do so as a Reformed believer: after reading the text I will append, “…in bed.”
Panda is nice but their condiments I find wanting. Not so much in bed though.
Umm…one is 100% cotton and the other is a cheap 50/50 blend?
One shirt is made from southern racist cotton and the other is made from fine egyptian?
I’ve only ever asked for soy sauce, and found it did what I wanted, which was to add flavor to the noodles. It also adds flavor to the fried rice so, bonus!
I think we’re looking at manufactured ruffle thumping, if I may coin a non-sequitur.
“…is not”
her name is faith, her dad is the pastor, at the “islam is of the devil” outreach center. How awesome.
“the other.”
Would this be more or less tasteless than those eagle-crying cheezefests we see with the towers? My take is less.
I heard there was good money in manufacturing ruffle thumps in the convenience of one’s own home.
I’d like to bring this over from a deadish thread because it’s interesting. Ok, fine, it’s because I think my response is interesting. Sue me.
sdferr posted this and I respond below the blockquote:
Jenny Strauss Clay:
I think another word for that is “empathy.” You put yourself in the writer’s shoes, try to see what the writer is seeing, by suspending one’s ego and having a vicarious experience. That way, you stretch your mind out as you try on new ideas like so many hats.
The current reading theories stovepipe you into one PoV forever, where what you know now and how you see the world now is all that matters.
Narcissistic?
You bet!
“The clearest interpretation, without a clear statement of intent, I can come up with is that the mascot represents the school administration rather than the students, which, makes the shirt defiant, but not an incitement to violence. In fact, it would seem the opposite–even passive, they are strong enough to bear the “assault” of authority.”
My interpretation was closer to this.. it seemed closer to the patriotic cheese of defiance we would get with the towers in them shortly after 9/11.
It’s their spicy what is Fail. I take it back to the office where I have the sriracha.
Yes I had too google how to spell that. Every time I have to google.
I’ve never done Panda. I’m really an asian food snob. We got a gift certificate to P.F. Changs … and I’m worried.
I’ve got a GREAT place to get Chinese food for lunch (11 mile and Ryan for Detroit area interested peps). Usually I’m surrounded by folks speaking chinese. That’s always the sign I look for. And the wait-staff? Forgetaboutit. They know about 20 words of Engrish.
The pea pods yesterday? OMG. I was in heaven. It’s a buffet (shut UP) – I always do a first course of all veggies. Nirvana.
#142 LTES:
So you think they were going for this sentiment? Didn’t really come through, unfortunately.
if you go to Panda it’s important you know you can ask for steamed rice which you can’t see unless you know where to look and then pay attention to which items have the happy healthy panda thingy. Then you’re ahead of the game.
Changs is ok but Chin Chin is better I think plus Chin Chin has cupcakes. oh. I thought it was more national. Nope.
Seconded. Shame on the usually reliable and honorable PW people to affirm.
“You put yourself in the writer’s shoes…”
There is an ordinary sense in which you are already always in the writer’s shoes, excepting only that those shoes are your shoes. So, we reach out to grant another’s intention the same deference we might expect to be given to our own, is all. But it is hard to do, harder than anything else, if only because there is so much ground to cover between him and us as we try to catch up to him.
Ok, so I’m eating at PF Changs. Am I surrounded by folks speaking Chinese, or hipster douchbags?
So you guys are talking fucking Chinese food. What a buncha splooges.
here it’s very jewish the one I go to… there’s one down over by Premiere Radio here … in Sherman Oaks. Where the Jennifer Aniston grew up. I’m sure there’s tons more to say about Sherman Oaks. I know they rent a lot of houses there to film porn.
Ok, now noodle over this thing that neo-neocon posted today — an excerpt from They Thought They Were Free, interviews with 10 survivors of Nazi Germany, about what led up to Hitler and why people followed him so ardently. (The interviewer refers to the ten interviewees as his “friends.”)
So I find it all very familiar-sounding and stuff, but I was hard-pressed to decide if the passage served as a warning about the Obama administration or about what is to come in his wake.
The Anchoress responds
On his show today, Glenn Beck theorized that the Dems are clearing out the old faces to make room for new ones, but they won’t be more moderate at all. They’re just shuffling the deck to make it look like they’ve changed their tune, but we ought not be taken in by the theatrics.
So yeah, there’s no doubt that the above passage could serve as a warning against the Dems’ next moves.
On the other hand, the “throw the bums out” feeling is very strong among the Tea Partiers et al. We must be wary of our vulnerability to someone who tells us exactly what we want to hear, shows up all untainted and stuff, and who is also a charming narcissist but “on our side.”
History repeats itself but always with a warp, a twist, the thing you thought would make things different this time but not. We’re fortunate enough to have the Constitution as our national religion — which we’re eager to return to — and we’ve got the horrific example of the Fascists and Communists to learn from.
But we could also very easily go astray. If the system collapses from overload (as it’s threatening to do on so many levels), the sudden loss of normalcy could drive us into the arms of someone (or a group of someones) very dangerous indeed.
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Wouldn’t attending a school named after Edsel Ford kind of point to non-education?
A school in Dearborn named after a Ford? And Edsel Ford being against education?
Ummmmm – no. Mr. Edsel Ford? Against education?
Are you sure you have the right Edsel Ford in mind? Even his father, Henry Ford, was so not against education I don’t know what to say.
Edsel Ford.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel_Ford
We must be wary
they turn on the wary first with a bestial viciousness and not reluctantly
They’re around in my neck of the woods too. Never tried ’em, but I noticed them once because they’re in this one strip mall at the far end, with Moe’s at the near end, and Larry’s Giant Subs in the middle. So I wondered if “Chin Chin” is Chinese for Shemp.
Actually no — we’re talking religion still.
Are there people more dangerous than our little president man’s media? I think if you contemplate the resources they would confiscate in the name of their gay-assed climate change fraud fraud fraud and the sheer number of miseries what would go unaddressed cause of their confiscation it’s sort of a head-scratcher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford_Centennial_Library
I remember that mural, for much of my life as a child I was in and out of that library, and one day suddenly realizing it was a map, and putting my hand over the lower peninsula of Michigan, and then following the outlines, and seeing the British Isles, and everything.
It was like breaking a code – I saw it all – all of those stones protruding from the mosaic. I saw it.
Like writing and getting a sentence or a paragraph just so.
I saw it.
The Arrival. Gerard Vanderleun.
Sometimes it just happens. You suddenly see. And you can never un-see. Everytime I have gone into the HFCL, I put my hand on the mosaic, over the lower peninsula of Michigan.
I can’t unsee what I have seen.
I revert to an earlier discussion, concerning the cause of the British system’s escape from the clutches of totalitarianism, which was sinking one government after another across Europe back in the 20’s – 30’s. “Why not Britain?” asks Hannah Arendt.
Because they had a two party tradition, with the party out of power sitting at the ready to govern, should the people put the party in power, out. And no one party therefore, she claimed, could seize all for themselves.
Which makes for us in the US today, a dilemma. What to make of people of whichever party, R or D, who call for the utter destruction of the other? Aren’t they calling for one party rule thereby? And if that, then tyranny? But how to be in opposition and yet at the same time wish for the health of those opposed? No simple thing. And all the less so as we get out of the practice of everyday co-operation.
You want some chinese food and dance?
Lord of the Buffet!
oh. hah. that’s funny. miniseries. like on the tv.
The Arrival.
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/myths_texts/the_arrival_1.php
More likely you’ll be surrounded by round-eyes who can actually spell “douche”.
Do they understand the concepts of “weekends” and “time zones” also?
P.S. Hi, Rilly. Bye Rilly.
that was a nice read Mikey… thank you
“It was like breaking a code – I saw it all – all of those stones protruding from the mosaic. I saw it”
Thanks for the link to American Digest Mikey NTH. There are too many RINOS content with government cheese in the aftermath of The lying Nigerian pants bomber and his Socialist Accomplices.
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“For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.” – Zechariah 2:9
One of these things
…is not like the other.
Discuss!
One of these things isn’t like the other, but who cares?
If it thinks good, go for it.
ht:David Thompson
RD is auditioning to be “Dink“.
Funny how piss ants are too small to step on, isn’t it. Like when you are wearing a pair of lug soled boots out camping, you can step right on a piss ant and it doesn’t phase him. If it were a rat, or a snake, or something of real substance, you could stomp that bastard flat, but you can’t really do anything to something as insignificant as a piss ant.
We ran into this back in ’81. A small child had been abducted and her little bones dug up in the woods some time later. So as a goof, we made T-shirts that said “Class of ’81: You won’t dig our bones up in the woods.”
No one found it inspirational or funny.
Cue the tone deafness of Obama:
He lies then ignores the lie because “The Great History of Obama” starts with the alarm clock every day.
He’s and idiot.
He’s not smart. Not even close. He’s like Bob Barker.
sdferr, dicentra: Of course, we have an actual experience in that situation which Europe doesn’t: the Civil War. Slavery was an example of a situation which couldn’t be settled by compromise; its’ return under the collective (and the same party pushing it) will have to be dealt with in the same way. There’s a reason I call them Copperheads.
However, even Reconstruction came to an end and we were still one country. It will be somewhat different this time; for one thing, we don’t have a wide-open frontier where someone could leave their past and start over after their home became scorched earth. But the precedent is there for dealing with slavemasters by force and still being able to re-unite.
Oh, and B Moe, you just tailor the ordnance to suit the mission: a little gasoline deals with whole nests of pissants, with or without matches….
On the other hand, the “throw the bums out” feeling is very strong among the Tea Partiers et al. We must be wary of our vulnerability to someone who tells us exactly what we want to hear, shows up all untainted and stuff, and who is also a charming narcissist but “on our side.”
Sounds like how Obama got elected. Wasn’t it OUR side that pointed out Obama was an empty suite held up by a MSM-supported propaganda effort?
Hitler’s followers were one thing in believing that he was the one, but his rise into power wasn’t exactly democratic.
“So you think they were going for this sentiment? Didn’t really come through, unfortunately.”
Not quite that sentiment. But something defiantly along that tone. The whole ‘you can’t bring us down’ makes me think that. Now, if they had said “we will bring you down”…
“My friends wanted Germany purified. They wanted it purified of the politicians, of all the politicians. They wanted a representative leader in place of unrepresentative representatives. And Hitler, the pure man, the antipolitician, was the man, untainted by “politics,” which was only a cloak for corruption…Against “the whole pack,” “the whole kaboodle,” “the whole business,” against all the parliamentary parties, my friends evoked Hitlerism, and Hitlerism overthrew them all…”
Early teabaggerism.
“My friends wanted Germany purified. They wanted it purified of the politicians, of all the politicians. They wanted a representative leader in place of unrepresentative representatives. And Hitler, the pure man, the antipolitician, was the man, untainted by “politics,” which was only a cloak for corruption…Against “the whole pack,” “the whole kaboodle,” “the whole business,” against all the parliamentary parties, my friends evoked Hitlerism, and Hitlerism overthrew them all…”
Early teabaggerism.
That’s exactly what the media wants you to think, Cheeze Eagle. You’re being a good little useful idiot.
Though it was more the first paragraph that made me think that:
“National Socialism was a repulsion of my friends against parliamentary politics, parliamentary debate, parliamentary government—against all the higgling and the haggling of the parties and the splinter parties, their coalitions, their confusions, and their conniving. It was the final fruit of the common man’s repudiation of “the rascals.” Its motif was “throw them all out.” My friends, in the 1920’s, were like spectators at a wrestling match who suspect that beneath all the grunts and groans, the struggle and the sweat, the match is “fixed,” that the performers are only pretending to put on a fight. The scandals that rocked the country, as one party or cabal “exposed” another, dismayed and then disgusted my friends…”
With an enjoyable comparison to wrestling.
That sounds more like the way this last one was marketed to me.
You are still missing the tea parties point, cheesy. They are more about less government- much, much less government- than who is actually in charge.
RD brought his assclown game.
Hitler wasn’t born out of repulsion of my friends against parliamentary politics, parliamentary debate, parliamentary government—against all the higgling and the haggling of the parties and the splinter parties, their coalitions, their confusions, and their conniving. It was the final fruit of the common man’s repudiation of “the rascals.” Its motif was “throw them all out.”. That was merely one of the factors.
One of the many factors.
There are going to be many strategies used to attempt to stop the “Tea Party” momentum. “Speak like a Teabagger” is one. Comparing them to an angry mob that could be swayed by a Hitler-like figure is another.
here’s a dirty socialist NPR whore’s take on the little president man’s taxes on “cadillac” health care plans. He thinks it’s stupid.
Cheese Chicken, I’ve got Godwin on line two. He wants to kick your ass.
McGehee, I still carry a fortune from 15 years ago in my wallet. It reads: “Due to your melodic nature, the moonlight never misses an appointment.”
If you can’t base a religion on that, then you need to upgrade your brand of medical marijuana.
Saul Alinsky knew what he was talking about; in order to bring back the concentration camps, order must first be destroyed. With this simple fact in mind, Obama is paving the way for the Gulag Utopia by cratering the economy.
What other intent could he have in replaying step-by-step the last actions of 1930’s Wiemar Germany?
Obama is John to the communist Jesus. He is not The One, he is merely the one who makes crooked his road.
“Cheese Chicken, I’ve got Godwin on line two. He wants to kick your ass.”
B moe and the anchoress are also in line too. They all probably enjoy the same blogs as I do:
http://obamaisliterallyhitler.tumblr.com
“With this simple fact in mind, Obama is paving the way for the Gulag Utopia by cratering the economy. ”
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1398/slide_1398_20072_large.jpg
If slavery can be defined as Jefferson defined it, the ‘tyranny of forcibly making a man pay for things with which he does not agree’, then obama’s plans would easily clear the definitional bar.
If the government takes half your money in taxes (as obama’s does) you are merely a sharecropper on the American plantation.
I was explaining to some acquaintances yesterday that no matter where their offices are located, and no matter what logo is on their business cards, the truth is that we all work for The State.
Didn’t make ’em happy, but none of them could refute the logic.
…and I’d like to take a moment to express my appreciation of RD and his alter egos. He’s like the guys at the beach who build those glorious sand castles, knowing that they’ll be washed away with the tide.
Except in RD’s case, it’s less with the forms and the sculpture and the beauty, and more with the squatting and the straining and the piles of shit.
Let me state for the record that I do not believe that obama is Hitler due to the fact that Hitler…
…was competent
…was organized
…could command
…wrote his own speeches
…did not need a teleprompter
…did not hate Israel
…was native born
…wore a uniform
…was likeable
…had his birth certificate
…published his school records
Godwin that, bee-otch.
The Islam is of the devil shirt is straightforward but the other has a couple of possible interpretations. Be that as it may, I agree with the concept of nixing all of this and reinstating school uniforms. Problem solved… as well as a number of other tasteless stuff.
Slarti got Mr W’s smileys back when they were silent, but it took a while. Slarti is not offended by Mr W, but does enjoy a certain reputation, contrary to W’s opinion, as a fjord designer.
Slarti is talking about himself this way for some reason that might be connected to Dayquil.
That coq au fromage fellow thinks that Tea-Partiers are all about installing a fascist dictatorship here in the states is to laugh and laugh and laugh. Slarti is still wiping away tears of laughter, and folks are poking their heads above the cubical walls to see what’s so funny.
That’s Missile. Some of you really know how to push Slarti’s buttons.
I think if Obama manages to get the planes running on time, W, we might start to rethink.
Also, you are a birfer, which disappoints. But I try not to ridicule the religious beliefs of others too much, except for inside my head.
I was hoping 2010 would bring better trolls.
Silly wabbits.
We are all allowed (freedom of speech) to be as offensive as we want to be.
Unfortunately, the things we adorn ourselves with say more about us than our platitudes about ourselves. When I was much younger, I had a T shirt that said “I may not go down in history, but I’ll go down on your little sister”. I thought it was hilarious at the time, but now I cringe when I think of it.
What was that Neil Sedaka song? “They say that growing(sic) up is hard to do”? In this brave new world of the Godless O, it is nearly impossible.
And by the way, Daniel was one scary prophet. I’m no bible thumper, but I am still dazed by his prophecies. The prophecies of the 70 weeks is just a little too much like winning PowerBall six times in a row…
He was so scary the lions took a pass on dinner.
Channeling Mongo suits you, Slart… :)
i is not birfer.
I just used it as part of my list to tweak those who would invoke Godwin’s law, as if Godwin’s Law was some sort of political talisman you use to ward off apt comparisons btween obama and the socialists that have gone before him. I believe that, if given complete control, obama would have more of a Stalinist bent to him anyway.
I care about policies, not paperwork. The invisible birth certificate is of a piece with all the other gaps in his record. When the truth of his background is exposed, the reputations of the people who supported this epic fraud will instantaneously evaporate .
Considering that the Tea Party people are united (if at all) upon the combined issues of lower taxes and less spending the likelihood of being duped by a power hungry demagogue is is inversely proportional to their willingness to remain focused on those ends.
Okie doke. Not that you needed Slarti’s approval, but Slarti kind of tends to think that there are people in our government who both care and have the ability to check these things out, and said checking has been done. So, Slarti would guess that either Obama’s background checks out, or there’s a lot of dead folks who found out otherwise.
Some things are hard to keep quiet, like how Bush destroyed the WTC.
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Discuss!”
Ok, you’re an inbred mouth-breathing moron.
And fire can’t melt steel! I did an experiment with a match and a paperclip to prove it!
I agree with Lazarus Long!
Hey, we’re discussin’ here!
…but Slarti does find the gaps in O!’s background kind of significant. I mean, a full proctological examination was done on Bush’s past, but regarding O!, the formerly very interested Dems could not be less thorough detectives.
So, it’s a matter of faith then?
FTR: I believe Obama was born in the USA, but I also suspect there is something ‘wrong’ with his birth certificate that explains the obfuscation.
“…. but his rise into power wasn’t exactly democratic.”
Sorry, but yes it was.
I’m re-reading “The Rise and FAll of the Third Reich” right now, and Hitler’s ascension to power, the door being opened to his insanity, was entirely legal and constitutional under the Weimer Republic.
Of course once he got his paws on the levers of power, goodbye, well, every restraint on his insane weltanschauung.
I used to wear a button on my coat saying, “I’m nearly famous.”
I’m sure that says a lot about me but I can’t fathom what.
“Early teabaggerism.”
Classical liberalism is a belief in individual freedom, traditional religion, democratic (small d) government, property rights, the rule of law, free markets, laissez-faire economics and market competition.
Yet we get called fascist.
So, yeah, fuck you cheesy, you fucking fascist.
Hitler’s rise to office was sort of democratic, assuming roving gangs of bully boys stomping the opposition is democratic (yes, his opponents were equally guilty of such tactics.) The real issue is that his power really did not reach it’s zenith until well after his election to office, and the acts that consolidated power in him were decidedly undemocratic.
“Let me state for the record that I do not believe that obama is Hitler due to the fact that Hitler…”
Not only did he wear the uniform of Imperial Germany, he actually served in the war, and he won the Iron Cross for bravery.
/pedant
No. Well, maybe, like: Slarti tends to have faith that when he drops the next Waterford Christmas tree ornament, gravity will ensure that he will be in the doghouse again.
The probability of a conspiracy remaining hidden goes down dramatically as the number of people privy to information that might expose it rises.
You are still making assumptions from a total lack of evidence.
“The real issue is that his power really did not reach it’s zenith until well after his election to office,”
1. He was never elected, he was appointed.
“…and the acts that consolidated power in him were decidedly undemocratic.”
2. That’s exactly what I said.
I wasn’t suggesting it wasn’t legal or constitutional under the Weimer Republic.
To suggest that someone can rise HERE as Hitler did there isn’t so. Hitler was named Chancellor of Germany by whom? Which did what?
? What am I missing.
“? What am I missing.”
Facts, history and puncuation.
Right, Slart. Inverse ratio.
They faked the moon landing, and all 11,000 people involved in the project have kept their mouths shut for all these years.
Hundreds of people planted explosives in the WTC so that WHEN THEY FLEW JUMBO JETS INTO THEM they would be sure to collapse.
By the way, just between us, Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK with a rifle from the book depository.
Nice, thanks for playing.
…,,,!!!!>>>??????
Here’s some extras for ya. Enjoy.
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Nice, thanks for playing.”
That’s not playing.
That’s toying.
They are alike:
“The school board says that Sapp is not suspended or expelled and can return to school Tuesday, but she must follow the dress code.”
“It was determined no further disciplinary action will be taken against the nine students because they did remove the shirts.”
No, toying would be to repeat the process.
So, now do you want to explain why you directly contradicted exactly what you said the first time?
No, I’m refusing to make assumptions because the lack of evidence looks all tinfoily.
Oh, and the Knights Templar did SO make an escape to Scotland, along with their vast fortune.
Eventually the Templar fortune wound up being stored under Wall Street.
Slart, you are merely choosing a different set of assumptions. That you have selected certain ones in order to avoid appearing tinfoiled merely speaks to your motivations, not any inherent truth.
No, I’m choosing the default: that the story being presented is the truth, because there’s no contradictory evidence extant.
Barack Hussein Obama is every bit as American as his pastor and mentor, the Rev. Jeremiah (God Damn America!) Wright.
Or not…who knows?
“So, now do you want to explain why you directly contradicted exactly what you said the first time?”
Facts and history, dOOd, facts and history.
Here: Before and After.
Try watching Sesame Street, they have a ggood primer.
I understood you quite well, Lazarus. Hitler was democratically elected, then (later!) effectively installed himself as dictator. A, then B.
Facts and history led you to directly contradict your own statement in the span of less than twenty minutes?
Yes, I’m still toying.
ThomasD is having some trouble with “Hitler was democratically elected”, it appears.
Hitler was democratically elected, ThomasD. True or false?
If Bushitler had refused to step down as President as some of our Lefty friends predicted/hoped for a while back, would you say that he wasn’t democratically elected? Because that would be counterfactual, unless you’re David Corn (who invents his own reality).
“Comment by ThomasD on 1/7 @ 10:11 am #
Facts and history led you to directly contradict your own statement in the span of less than twenty minutes?
Yes, I’m still toying.”
Toying with your wee-wee, maybe, but everyone here is laughing at you.
Gee that has a familiar ring to it.
Hitler’s rise to office was sort of democratic, assuming roving gangs of bully boys stomping the opposition is democratic (yes, his opponents were equally guilty of such tactics.) The real issue is that his power really did not reach it’s zenith until well after his election to office, and the acts that consolidated power in him were decidedly undemocratic.
(emphasis added) And Lazarus is correct, I should has said appointment to office.
Now, I can understand that there might be some semantic issues with the word power. When did Hitler cross the line from out-of-power to in-power. Certainly his election to the head of the NSDAP was a step into greater power, just as his appointment as Chancellor.
To my mind the question is when did Hitler acquire the power that allowed him to become Hitler? I don’t have an exact answer, but certainly the night of the Long Knives played a role, and I think it is safe to say that was not part of any democratic process.
Lazarus, I’ve tried to open the door so that you could explain your thoughts, all I got was haughty snark. If you consider yourself an historian then share your knowledge. Otherwise it’s all just an empty appeal to authority.
Oh, by the way: I was born in Kenya, too.
The issue is Thomas does not consider “rise to power” to be synonymous with “democratically elected”, since the majority of his power was accumulated after he was elected, which Lazarus had previously eluded to. See how easy it is if you write out complete sentences and don’t worry about how glib and cute you are?
alluded, dammit, alluded!
Oh, we’re all the way over in Tautologyland, now.
Comment by ThomasD on 1/7 @ 10:22 am #
“To my mind the question is when did Hitler acquire the power that allowed him to become Hitler?”
He was born.
“Now, I can understand that there might be some semantic issues with the word power. When did Hitler cross the line from out-of-power to in-power. Certainly his election to the head of the NSDAP was a step into greater power, just as his appointment as Chancellor.”
He was appointed Chancellor.
Then he was in power.
See? Simple.
Whereas, before he was in power, his ability to make himself dictator was kind of limited, credibility-wise.
Which I think is Lazarus’ point.
Or maybe Teutonology land.
Ok, my only question then is how does a man without power get himself appointed Chancellor of Germany?
And just as a reminder exactly why Hitler decided to use legal means to acquire power in Germany, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch
See, his coup attempt failed nad he got thrown into prison.
Which sort of precludes the Chancellorship.
His appointment wasn’t exactly democratic. Kinda like how Obama’s appointment of pay czar’s isn’t democratic. How was his appointment different from the back-room deals he railed against to the public?
“Comment by ThomasD on 1/7 @ 10:36 am #
Ok, my only question then is how does a man without power get himself appointed Chancellor of Germany?”
He was Furher of the socilaist Nazi party.
What part of all this don’t you get?
“Comment by Carin on 1/7 @ 10:38 am #
His appointment wasn’t exactly democratic.”
Sorry, Carin, it was how the Weimar Constitution was set up, and was entirely within the bounds of democratic politics, German style.
AAAAND….
Afterwards, not so much.
What part of this don’t you get?
His appointment didn’t give him any power it simply acknowledged the power he already had. It was a political fig leaf the Wiemar Republic bestowed upon him in an attempt to mask their own irrelevancy. They gave him an inch (democratically) and he took a mile (banning all opposition parties, killing opponents and potential rivals) undemocratically.
Iin 1938 Hitler was very popular with Germans.
If you criticized him, you could be accused of not being a racist.
Oops, too many i’s in there…
Comment by Robert W. White on 1/7 @ 10:45 am #
Meaning that the Weimar Caonstitution was still in effect.
Weird, that.
One of Hitler’s strangnesses was his insistance on the appearance of legality to cover his barbaric acts.
For example, the invasion of Poland was given the fig leaf of legality by accusing the Poles of attacking a radio station inside the German border.
Of course the “attackers” were German political prisoners dressed in Polish uniforms and then murdered and strewn realistically around the scene, but, hey “THEY DID IT FIRST!!!!!”
I really don’t think that the burning of the Reichstag or the murdering of anti-nazis was protected by German-style democracy.
Hitler used a veneer of legality to cover his very undemocratic and illegal actions.
but, I think we’re going round and round and this is pointless.
Acquiescence. Showing in a political theater near you.
sdferr, thanks for focusing us on more important issues. Honestly when CNN’s Cafferty is even calling Obama a liar ….
My point, is that we’re not going to see a Hilter-style rise to power here. I’m concerned enough about the Obama-style.
The thing that has made, “It can’t happen here,” true to date is that we are guaranteed, by the US Constitution, a republican form of government. This one provision would make an “Enabling Act” illegal here.
But with the growing tendency to legislate first and figure out if it’s Constitutional later, and with the declining knowledge and concern of the general public of their government’s foundation, that one final redoubt is in jeopardy.
Adolph wasn’t born in Germany. He was born in Austria–Hungary.
Someone should have checked that out.
“Reltih.”
I blame dicentra. She can blame neo-neocon, who can blame Milton Mayer, I guess.
I really don’t think that the burning of the Reichstag or the murdering of anti-nazis was protected by German-style democracy.
Had a few minutes to dwell on this further. Obviously, those were illegal acts, yet Hitler had enough power that he was effectively immune from any enforcement.
Sometime in a game of chess, although a players king may not be in immediate jeopardy he will see that due to the configuration of pieces checkmate is inevitable. At this point the player may choose to concede, or play it out hoping his opponent makes a mistake.
Was Hitler’s appointment to Chancellor such an event? Was everything else that followed an eventuality or, at some point, could his free reign have been mitigated?
I ask the question less as an exercise in what could have been, more generally as how do we limit the exercise of raw political will.
Meaning that the Weimar Constitution was still in effect.
Due to the ever growing number of non-Senate approved ‘czars’ one could argue the US Constitution is no longer in effect.
Obviously, this problem is not limited to Obama, but given the precedent, who is to say it could not get much worse?
“Acquiescence. Showing in a political theater near you.”
Naaah. Why would they protest? They have sources, there are sure to be leaks used by several interests in the negotiations. Journalists’ jobs aren’t barred here. They’re completely enabled and can use they competitive advantage they have in sources to get “scoops.” If instead this was all done on cspan, then there wouldn’t be any leaks or scoops. That would indeed bar them from doing their “jobs.”
The real question is whether the Examiner realizes this or not.
Wery, wery funny, dat.
“Due to the ever growing number of non-Senate approved ‘czars’ one could argue the US Constitution is no longer in effect.”
Several so-called czars are actually senate approved. And the ones that aren’t simply can’t have the powers that ‘officers’ have. They have to be “inferior officers” or maybe can just get away with being advisors:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/10/06/as-inferior-officers-czars-pass-constitutional-muster/
f instead this was all done on cspan, then there wouldn’t be any leaks or scoops. That would indeed bar them from doing their “jobs.”
Someone better alert Cafferty that the secret meeting is good for him. He doesn’t appear pleased about it.
Well, actually, Obama’s not really much worse than Bush. Bush was a lot worse than Clinton.
So: Bush junta!
Oooh…there was a censorship czar, way back when.
“Someone better alert Cafferty that the secret meeting is good for him. He doesn’t appear pleased about it.”
Someone better alert the Examiner that there is a “peep of protest.” But you make a good point: someone like Cafferty would indeed lose out on this.
Umm, do you suffer from intellectual disability?
Would somebody please inform the cheese doodle that TrollHammer has infinite capacity? It doesn’t matter how often it changes its handle, the only result is that instead of being pounded once, it gets pounded repeatedly.
No. We were talking about czars, remember?
…of which Clinton had 7, Bush had 35, and Obama has 38.
So, relatively speaking, not much worse than Bush.
Dunno why trolls feel a need for you to read their comments, or can’t spell “cheese”.
Other than: they’re stupid.
From your source: “The list is subjective and imprecise”.
But if your comment was focused on just that criteria, I apologize for suggesting you are
retardedintellectually disabled.Obviously, this problem is not limited to Obama, but given the precedent, who is to say it could not get much worse?
I’m counting on a million patriots with deer rifles within a half-day’s drive of the Capitol.
I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying we no absolutely nothing about how many czars are currently in place?
Or did you not see the part that said “some consider czars to be only those officials who are appointed by the president without Senate confirmation”, which would preclude any of the ones that did NOT get Senate confirmation, and so don’t fall into the potentially-unconstitutional heap?
You can always go in the table, discard the Senate-approved ones, and do your own count. It’s going to be a fairly precise count of the Objectionables.
And still it will remain that Bush had a lot, and Obama doesn’t (yet) have a lot more.
Oh, there goes my taunting sockpuppet.
“From your source: “The list is subjective and imprecise”.”
Here’s another link:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/czar-search/
And still it will remain that Bush had a lot, and Obama doesn’t (yet) have a lot more.
Of course, perhaps if the left had been more concerned with the substance of the Bush administration instead of their war crimes bla bla bla, perhaps they could have brought this up. It’s an issue “now” because we’re aware of it. Libs dropped the ball.
In addition, the “Bush did it too” defense doesn’t really gain much traction here anyway.
I dig the “It could never happen here” meme.
Have those brown shirt I ordered for Americorps come in yet?
I don’t have a brown shirt, but I have a brown coat. I can only guess that this is going to make target ID a lot more complicated.
For real. We understand Obama is mostly just a wimpier George Bush. Do not want.
Ah, how fondly I remember those halcyon days when our Leftard trolls complained that a hundred billion dollars was a lot of money to spend on Medicare….
It was, for him and his Party, never about the “back-room” only whose “back-room” it was. This has universal application for all railing by the Left.
” I remember those halcyon days when our Leftard trolls complained that a hundred billion dollars was a lot of money to spend on Medicare….”
A mere bagoshells.
I’m always puzzled the leftists “Bush did it too” defense.
Okay, if Bush did it, and it’s a mistake, isn’t THE WON smart enough to learn from those mistakes? Maybe perhaps not make the same mistakes? (Richard Reid, anyone?)
It’s not like President Obama inherited the czars. He kind of had to get his own.
Have those brown shirt I ordered for Americorps come in yet?
Silly peeps. Brown shirts are too derivative.
The shirts are in and they’re purple. And you know what?
THE GUYS GET SHIRTS!
To my mind the question is when did Hitler acquire the power that allowed him to become Hitler?
Wiemar was weak. Hitler, rabble rouser, made the political situation worse through his brownshirts. he forced the Kaiser to appoint him chacellor to bring stability. In a nutshell, so to speak.
Not doing that, just allowing for the possibility of a kind of governmental inertia. What goes up doesn’t always come right back down again.
Which can be handy, in certain contexts.
Robert Higgs claims a ratchet and pawl effect in government growth (and associates the growth historically with wartime spending), though it may be more contingent matter than a necessary one.