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Depussification Regimen [Dan Collins]

Via Power and Control comes a link to Doug Giles’s review of The Ultimate Man’s Survival Guide: Recovering the Lost Art of Manhood.

As most of my regular readers know, one of my favorite whipping posts is the metrosexual male imago the man-haters are successfully saddling our sons with. This Puss-in-Boots culture detests men who would be men. That’s why parents and grandparents who loathe what the media and various institutions are trying to do to our boys need Miniter’s new book more than Pelosi needs Jesus and a straight jacket. Frank has penned a manifesto for manhood, a veritable tour de force for testosterone that decisively rebels against the gush of this sassy society.

Mail a copy to your GOP betters today.

Yeah, I fully expect for visitors to come by and say that what Miniter’s peddling is in fact the false imago of discredited manhood that Bush used to lie us into war . . . blah blah blah. My rejoinder is simple: fuck off. When Perez Hilton and company can accuse Carrie Prejean of being an inauthentic woman because she’s not for teh gay marriage and has had a *gathp* boob job, all I can say is that I wouldn’t boink Janeane Garofalo with Olby’s tiny unit. SIR. Charles Krauthammer lacks perspective because he’s confined to a wheelchair? He’s ten times the man Joe Klein will ever be.

Also, Dick Cheney is so awesome, he fell asleep while being waterboarded.

Happyfeet makes the point that manhood is best understood in the context of fatherhood, and maybe he’s right. But there are men–like some priests I know–who are men without the context of fatherhood, and there are also biological success stories in the regime of the social welfare state.

94 Replies to “Depussification Regimen [Dan Collins]”

  1. pdbuttons says:

    i’m going to graveyards today
    two vets in my family
    thanks vets

  2. patriot says:

    Dude,

    Perez Hilton is a spokesperson for Democrats in this country.

    Is their pussification galore even a question any longer?

    We aren’t being invaded by Vs

    We’ve been invaded by Hs

  3. Mike LaRoche says:

    I just put in my order.

    And Dick Cheney is so cool, there is no “control” button on his computer. Dick Cheney is always in control.

  4. ThomasD says:

    Read the review and might buy the book for the polemics. But I’ve already got a shelfload of outdoors and adventure books waiting for the sons (personal recommendation: Deep Survival by Laurence Gonzalez) and anyone who buys the book for the technical knowledge really needs to consider that making some lifestyle changes will probably be substantially more effective (and ultimately more manly) than reading any particular book.

    As an aside, hunting elk with the Apache is not exactly a mark of great distinction. All it takes is about $10K and an appointment (the Apache maintain one of the best trophy elk herds in North America and price them accordingly.) Kill an elk on Arizona public lands and then I’ll be impressed, Lord knows I’ve tried.

  5. SDN says:

    Of course, Dan, one must not forget the classic on the topic, Kim Du Toit’s The Pussification of the Western Male. The site is still up even though Kim, sadly, is retired from blogging. Read.The.Whole.Thing.

  6. Dan Collins says:

    Thomas–he earned the $10k wrestling alligators.

  7. ThomasD says:

    Ok, that’s a bit more impressive. Not so much the wrestling, but the finding of alligators what carry cash on hand.

  8. MarkJ says:

    Some godfatherly advice on masculinity from Don Corleone:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZEkFLXh9Y

  9. urthshu says:

    The problem w/giving a copy to GOPers is that its probably wasted effort.

    Oh they might read it and all, but governance is the Art of Ass-covering, not personal decision and responsibility. Its all Hot Potato and Musical Chairs and “I can pee farther than you” and thats why Cheney is Teh Cool b/c he’s all, “run along, kids, I got stuff to do”

    Everybody else saw that and was like, “Whee! Somebody’s doing the work! Now we can do pin the tail games, too!”

  10. JD says:

    Caric is going to drop in and tell you that you describe an out-dated role of man, and that you are a mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging sexist misogynistic neanderthal.

    BOOBIES!

  11. […] A double shot for protein wisdom. Dan Collins discusses the Depussification Regimen […]

  12. chasingwaterfalls says:

    I don’t get all the swooney sexy dreamin’ around The One.

    There has to be something manly in the heart that those pecs are protecting or it’s just…well…..ewwww.

  13. meya says:

    Is this any different than Kim DuToit’s “pussyfication of the western male” whine?

    “It’s not 400 pages long. Frank cuts to the chase. No long, drawn-out blah, blah, blah fluff trying to fill pages so his publisher won’t sue him for not hitting his contractual word count. As a man, I appreciate that. I’ve got stuff to do. Don’t go wafty on me. Get to the point. And Frank does just that.”

    It looks like no.

    http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/the-dutoitification-of-the-western-conservative/

  14. Pablo says:

    meya, would you do us a favor and quote the portion of that review that you think supports whatever point it is you’re trying to make? Clarity would be your friend, should the two of you ever meet.

  15. Abe Froman says:

    Yeah, that would be great if you could highlight what you think pertinent meya. I only got a couple paragraphs into that essay before having ample cues to know the writer was a quintessential Nancy and thus the wrong sort to even tackle this subject.

  16. serr8d says:

    SDN, thanks for reminding me of that essay. This…

    One of the characteristics of the non-pussified man (and this should strike fear into the hearts of women and girly-men everywhere) is that he never quits just because the odds seem overwhelming. Omaha Beach, guys.

    I want a real man as President—not Al Gore, who had to hire a consultant to show him how to be an Alpha male, and french-kiss his wife on live TV to “prove” to the world that he was a man, when we all knew that real men don’t have to do that shit.

    And I want the Real Man President to surround himself with other Real Men, like Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft, and yes, Rice (who is more of a Real Man than those asswipes Colin Powell and Norman Mineta).

    That was written in 2003. How did Du Toit know that Colin Powell was getting ready to bolt?

    He must’ve grabbed her crotch.

  17. JD says:

    Meya is a twat

  18. Pablo says:

    Ah, I see meya. Neither of them being overly long is what makes them just the same is what you’re saying. How anti-climactic.

  19. Darleen says:

    Today, in the United States, it is popular among self-styled ‘intellectuals’ to sneer at patriotism. They seem to think that it is axiomatic that any civilized man is a pacifist, and they treat the military profession with contempt. ‘Warmongers’ – ‘Imperialists’ – ‘Hired killers in uniform’ – you have all heard such sneers and you will hear them again. One of their favorite quotations is: ‘Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.’ What they never mention is that the man who made that sneering remark was a fat, gluttonous slob who was pursued all his life by a pathological fear of death. […]

    Let me stipulate that, if the human race managed its affairs sensibly, we could do without war. Yes – and if pigs had wings, they could fly. I don’t know what planet those pious pacifists are talking about but it can’t be the third one out from the Sun. Anyone who has seen the Far East – or Africa – or the Middle East – knows or certainly should know that there is NO chance of abolishing war in the foreseeable future. In the past few years I have been around the world three times, traveled in most of the communist countries, visited many of the so-called emerging countries, plus many trips to Europe and to South America; I saw nothing that cheered me as to the prospects for peace. The seeds of war are everywhere; the conflicts of interest are real and deep, and will not be abolished by pious platitudes. The best we can hope for is a precarious balance of power among the nations capable of waging total war – while endless lesser wars break out here and there. I won’t belabor this. Our campuses are loaded with custard-headed pacifists but the yard of the Naval Academy is not one place where I will encounter them. We are in agreement that the United States still needs a navy, that the Republic will always have need for heroes – else you would not be here tonight and in uniform.

    Patriotism – Moral behavior at the national level. Non sibi sed Patria. Nathan Hale’s last words: ‘I regret that I have but one life to give for my country.’ Torpedo Squadron Eight making its suicidal attack. Four chaplains standing fast while the water rises around them. Thomas Jefferson saying, ‘The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots” A submarine skipper giving the order ‘Take her DOWN!’ while he himself is still topside. Jonas Ingram standing on the steps of Bancroft Hall and shouting, ‘The Navy has no place for good losers! The Navy needs tough sons of bitches who can go out there and WIN!’

    Patriotism – An abstract word used to describe a type of behavior as harshly practical as good brakes and good tires. It means that you place the welfare of your nation ahead of your own even if it costs you your life. Men who go down to the sea in ships have long had another way of expressing the same moral behavior tagged by the abstract expression ‘patriotism.’ Spelled out in simple Anglo-Saxon words ‘Patriotism’ reads ‘Women and children first!’

    And that is the moral result of realizing a self-evident biological fact: Men are expendable; women and children are not. A tribe or a nation can lose a high percentage of its men and still pick up the pieces and go on… as long as the women and children are saved. But if you fail to save the women and children, you’ve had it, you’re done, you’re THROUGH! You join tyrannosaurus rex, one more breed that bilged its final test.

    I must amplify that. I know that women can fight and often have. I have known many a tough old grandmother I would rather have on my side in a tight spot than any number of pseudo-males who disdain military service. My wife put in three years of active duty in World War Two, plus ten years reserve, and I am proud – very proud! – of her naval service. I am proud of every one of our women in uniform; they are a shining example to us men.

    Nevertheless, as a mathematical proposition in the facts of biology, children, and women of child-bearing age, are the ultimate treasure that we must save. Every human culture is based on ‘Women and children first’ – and any attempt to do it any other way leads quickly to extinction.

    Excerpts from Robert Heinlein, speech at the US Naval Academy April 5, 1973

  20. SBP says:

    I see the spinning crapweasel is hard at work again.

    Seriously, SFAG, do you think there’s anyone here who isn’t wise to your game by now?

  21. meya says:

    “Nevertheless, as a mathematical proposition in the facts of biology, children, and women of child-bearing age, are the ultimate treasure that we must save. Every human culture is based on ‘Women and children first’ – and any attempt to do it any other way leads quickly to extinction.”

    Wow what a crock of shit. Is this like good Heinlein or bad Heinlein? You know, I got stuff to do, no time to read lots of books.

  22. Akatsukami says:

    You and every other leftypig, Meya.

  23. Darleen says:

    Wow what a crock of shit

    About par for usual substansive rebuttals, meya. YAWN, you are so predictable.

  24. urthshu says:

    *pointing and laughing @ meya*

  25. SBP says:

    Especially when they might cause you to question your religious beliefs, eh, SFAG?

    It’s a biological FACT that men are more expendable than women, SFAG.

    Hint: it’s possible for one man to have more than one woman carrying his child at the same time. Really.

  26. SBP says:

    To be quite blunt: a society can lose 90% of its men with little or no impact on its reproductive rate. That’s not the case for a society that loses 90% of its women.

  27. urthshu says:

    “Do you have kids, meya?”

    “None that I know of.yukyuyuk”

  28. urthshu says:

    We have the artificial case made every day, SBP. Lotsa metrosexuals and lotsa abortions/feminists who won’t breed [or cook, dammit].

  29. Uncle Pinky says:

    Kill an elk on Arizona public lands and then I’ll be impressed, Lord knows I’ve tried.

    Prepare to be impressed. Of course we used to call them “slow elk” and the ranchers got pretty shirty.

  30. urthshu says:

    OK – gotta go and enjoy our little country’s outdoorsiness stuff with a hike in Letchworth SP. Happy Memory Day to all

  31. ThomasD says:

    I’m jealous. Letchworth is awesome, particularly in the fall. I used to hunt during archery season down around Hume, and we’d always make a run up to Letchworth for a day.

    Enjoy.

  32. Pablo says:

    It’s a biological FACT that men are more expendable than women, SFAG.

    Hint: it’s possible for one man to have more than one woman carrying his child at the same time. Really.

    HA! In your face, SBP!

    /preempting meya

  33. SBP says:

    Yes, urthshu. The lefties are aborting themselves into extinction (or simply failing to breed at all).

    If we can survive the next couple of decades (until the senile hippies pass on), things should improve dramatically.

    If.

  34. SBP says:

    Pablo, I expect SFAG to cite the recent case where a woman was carrying fraternal twins by two different fathers as a “rebuttal”.

    That’s her standard M.O. — find some bizarre corner case and pretend that it refutes a general principle.

  35. SBP says:

    Ah, and I see that’s exactly what your link was, Pablo.

    Sorry, I should’ve clicked it before posting.

    Great minds think alike, as they say. Heh.

  36. happyfeet says:

    I disagree and, only semiarticulately I think because I don’t want to broach the realm of Deep Thoughts. But manhood and manliness and being manly and manning up and all that is really silly to examine of itself outside of the locus of fatherhood I think. I think this explains why I would be embarrassed to be seen reading that book and I know I’m not the only one. I will recover the lost art of being a man all by myself I think and do it how I want and you don’t like it I piss on you head.

  37. guinsPen says:

    Nancy-up, man.

  38. meya says:

    “About par for usual substansive rebuttals, meya. YAWN, you are so predictable.”

    I’m wondering who he has in mind as examples. We can let women do things like serve in the military without facing extinction right? Israel does. The soviets did. No sign of extinction from that.

    Not to mention that ‘putting women and children first’ doesn’t necessarily mean just the ones in our nation. Or maybe it does automatically for someone like Heinlein. I don’t know the guy.

  39. SBP says:

    We can let women do things like serve in the military without facing extinction right?

    So you’re going to ignore the EXPLICIT WORDS OF THE QUOTE, SFAG?

    Wow, you’re really a piece of work.

  40. JD says:

    Meya is a twat. A lying fascist twat.

  41. Darleen says:

    We can let women do things like serve in the military without facing extinction right?

    My wife put in three years of active duty in World War Two, plus ten years reserve, and I am proud – very proud! – of her naval service. I am proud of every one of our women in uniform; they are a shining example to us men.

    meya, your studied attempt to miss the relevant is again noted. Stop being duplicitous.

  42. Darleen says:

    hf

    If boys were being parented by both moms and dads I doubt this book would be necessary.

    I have the Dangerous Book for Boys around for my grandsons and they will be starting Scouts this fall.

  43. meya says:

    “So you’re going to ignore the EXPLICIT WORDS OF THE QUOTE, SFAG?”

    Like ‘can’ and ‘nevertheless’? I think he’s wrong. I think we can have women be heroes and die before men and that we won’t be extinct.

  44. Pablo says:

    You’re on point in that if you need Miniter’s book to teach you how to be a man then you should be embarrassed, ‘feets. And if you do, it doesn’t speak well for your Daddy. (See what I did there?)

    Re-legitimizing masculinity is a worthwhile cause, though. Remember these two guys? The idiot hick and the perfect man? Gack.

  45. Pablo says:

    I’m beginning to think meya is Sammy in drag.

  46. happyfeet says:

    Darleen and Pablo I think both make points that contextualize the book a lot more better than I got at first. Metrosexual Guy is still a lot a straw man though.

  47. SBP says:

    I think we can have women be heroes and die before men and that we won’t be extinct.

    I think you’re either a babbling idiot or you’re deliberately missing the point.

    Very likely both.

  48. Abe Froman says:

    I fear that one day meya will have a moment of honesty and it will float right past us.

  49. sdferr says:

    I dunno SBP, taking the phrase women and children seriously, applying meya’s reasoning to it, we ought perhaps to start producing tiny body armor for the kiddies, since I reckon meya’s going to want to send them to the front lines to fight along side their mommies.

  50. SBP says:

    Maybe we could cover all the bases, sdferr. Load up some C-130s with pregnant women, abort them while overflying enemy territory, strap cute little bombs onto the still kicking fetuses, and chuck ’em out the cargo door.

  51. Rusty says:

    #40
    Sigh. Ask your papa. It’s a guy thing. Like honor.

  52. psycho... says:

    It’s a biological FACT that men are more expendable than women

    There’s a sense in which that’s so. Something continues without them.

    The genetic fount of randomness and extremity from which adaptation, progress (the real kind), culture (the real kind) — humanity — can arise doesn’t.

    Those are biological things. They happen when there’s enough dudes to make them possible.

    We were cavemen when there were too few of us to be otherwise. There are, again, statistically, too few of us now (except in China), because of the Great 20th Century Murderfest (more to come!).

    The sense we get sometimes that humanity has failed in some massive way recently is because it has. Because of the expendability.

  53. ThomasD says:

    Or put another way, Mother Nature has too many mouths to feed.

  54. ushie says:

    2 points, 2 different comments: Focussing on Michelle’s “strong” arms is part of the pussification of America. Barack should be the one lauded for strong arms. Plus, focussing on a woman’s body parts–especially the President’s wife’s body psrts–is disrespectful and creepy. I can only be thankful the pundits didn’t fasten upon her boobs: “The boobs that nurtured Malia and Sasha are now the Boobs of the Nation.” Good lord, I hope I never actually see that.

  55. ushie says:

    And the other: I want a real man. Not some metroclod who tries to do the laundry and therefore shrinks my red cashmere sweater beyond all hope AND turns everything else pink and then whines at me because I say, “Get the HELL out of my way and let me do the damn laundry! Go kill a spider!” And not a man who, upon seeing my polished toenails, goes and gets my nail polish and polishes his own toenails. And not a man who whines. Period. About anything, his mom, his meanie boss, his car that he locked himself out of again, whatever. DON’T WHINE. Men who whine, are not. And christ on a pogo stick, don’t wear my Victoria’s Secret underpants. I can never wear them again. I have to BURN THEM. What is wrong with men today???

    I want a man who can clean, load, and shoot a gun and kill a spider and fix a car, and yes, change a baby’s diaper if he has to, and not whine about the icky diaper. A man who knows a woman wears an old t-shirt and sweats to clean the cat box and then showers and changes into something nice for dinner. A man who can hold the fuckin’ door open. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK??????

  56. Pablo says:

    IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK??????

    Nah. We’re all over the place, and we can cook. But it seems we’re not sensitive enough for far too many women.

  57. McGehee says:

    Ushie, you’re meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean!

  58. McGehee says:

    I want a man who can clean, load, and shoot a gun and kill a spider

    I’ve found a rolled-up newspaper works just as well, most times — but to each his own.

  59. Abe Froman says:

    Geez. I’m researching a wilderness fishing trip and after reading ushie’s post I feel like a pussy for worrying about grizzlies.

  60. […] Quote Of The Day “Dick Cheney is so awesome, he fell asleep being waterboarded.” […]

  61. SDN says:

    He must’ve grabbed her crotch.

    serr8d #16, I’d pay good money to see Colin Powell even attempt to grab Mr. du Toit’s crotch. Because about 5 seconds later, Kim would have had a nice RINO head overtop his mantelpiece. You apparently made the common mistake of assuming that anyone named Kim is female….. and Kim is the guy who taught me that if you have less than 4 digits (#,###) of rounds of any caliber in your arsenal, it’s time to head for Ye Olde Ammo Shoppe.

    Not that Mrs. Kim du Toit wouldn’t do as good a job….

  62. ushie says:

    Ok, ok, maybe I went overboard on the whole spider issue.

  63. Roy in Nipomo says:

    Who has the time to worry about “Recovering the Lost Art of Manhood,” I’ve got a tractor to rebuild.

  64. The Monster says:

    To be quite blunt: a society can lose 90% of its men with little or no impact on its reproductive rate. That’s not the case for a society that loses 90% of its women.

    The fact that individual men are expendable, and those who demonstrate that their genes promote (or at least don’t harm) survival can procreate with multiple females if need be, leads to many differences between the genders.

    A male-female mean difference in g of 0.162 SD exists in favor of men, equivalent to 2.43 IQ points. The female g distribution is narrower than the male, with a variance ratio (F/M) of 0.916.

    That means that there are more male morons and geniuses, while females are clustered more tightly around their average. There is less deviation in height among women than men. In virtually every measurable characteristic, nature seems unwilling to let the females be the guinea pigs. A rational person, observing these facts, would conclude that sexual reproduction itself has led to mechanisms that permit the expendable males be to be the lab rats.

  65. SBP says:

    Right, Monster. We’re Nature’s Experiments.

    See also the differences in sexual behavior.

    Now, women certainly like sex, but they don’t seem to need it as much as men. Also, almost any woman can find someone who will have sex with her with minimal difficulty and in short order. Not the same for men.

  66. Colin Powell says:

    Wow, this looks like a book I’d like to read at the leg-waxing salon.

  67. Pablo says:

    Related, from the Washington Times:

    Anti-Dad bias
    Why is the father always the villain on American TV?

    While sometimes it seems that Lifetime has an anti-male agenda, perhaps it is simply pandering to embittered moms who make up the network’s audience. The full tragedy of the collapse of many American families remains untold. It is a worthy subject, but it must be told without ideology; it must be clear-eyed about the myriad ways men and women have failed each other. Such radical honesty would make for compelling television and would be a public service. Pity Lifetime is not daring enough to try it.

  68. jon says:

    If the problem is “metrosexuality”, something has to be done other than an additional thing on an unused bookshelf. But look at your problem: it’s defined as urban men who aren’t manly enough. And then the solution: make urban men into lumberjacks. There’s such a disconnect there, and it’s going to undermine the entire drive to wipe it out. In case you haven’t noticed, the newest new “urban” look for men is a full beard and an extra twenty pounds. The hipsters have gone and transformed themselves from effeminate poofters to clones of Andrew Sullivan.

    I never understood the fear metrosexuals cause. If you’re manly and you know it, doesn’t it help you to procreate if everyone else looks gay? Or is that not obvious enough to the womenfolk, so you have to go around proclaiming your heterosexuality with your words and bearskin tunic? I just don’t get the fear. Or is it about blaming the women who date everyone else but you? Are they too dumb to perceive that you are the perfect person to provide her with a cabin where she can be a kept woman while you go out playing in the woods with the boy children? Skinning an animal might be fun and interesting, and I could make some coyotetail thingies to put on car antennae, but it’s not going to make the world a better place for masculinity. Deal with it: if masculinity is all about outward appearances, at some point you’ll look gay. And most women, no matter who you are, will choose someone else.

    But still: buy your craft books and your guides to this and that. Do stuff because it’s good to do stuff, not because you are making some political statement. Whether it’s trapping walruses, building a treehouse for the kids, or planting a vegetable garden so you can grab something from the yard while grilling half a wild boar, do stuff other than sit on your ass and you’ll probably be appreciated for who you are, not what you represent.

    And on abortion: studies have shown that most women who get abortions aren’t anti-children so much as anti-children at that moment. Most people end up with as many children as they would have wanted, as the statistics on tubal ligations and vasectomies show. You can hate abortion or not, but to say that all those aborted were never replaced later is to deny how people think. Yeah, some of those women never had children at all, but most did.

  69. jon says:

    Mr. Powell,

    Real men use double edge blade razors and properly moisturize. Don’t you read vodkapundit?

  70. SBP says:

    I just don’t get the fear.

    The fear is for our society.

    Or is it about blaming the women who date everyone else but you?

    Most everyone here is married, jon, many of us for a long time. Try harder.

    but to say that all those aborted were never replaced later is to deny how people think

    Sure thing, jon.

  71. JD says:

    I think jon missed the point, completely.

  72. JD says:

    And prolly intentionally.

  73. jon says:

    SBP,

    No matter what the birthrate is, the truth is most women end up with as many children as they want. This isn’t going to kill us off, since most women want some children and still take all the necessary steps to have them. This is true of liberal women, conservative women, and even religious conservative women. Really, if you want women to have more babies, we can attack that issue head on. But as soon as some young mother dares to even hint that she wants a little help from the government, they’re irresponsible sluts who should have kept their legs together. Make the rhetoric hit the road, or hit the road yourself. Struggling people don’t need another mouth to feed, and wanting to help society doesn’t offset the sacrifices needed to raise children well. I’ve brought three children into this world and did my damnedest to raise a fourth, went bankrupt in the process, sacrificed a lot of my own happiness, and have no regrets about it, but I wouldn’t force those decisions on anyone even if it was for their own good.

  74. Pinch Sulzberger says:

    Skinning an animal might be fun and interesting…

    I do something funner and interestinger with them.

  75. SBP says:

    No matter what the birthrate is, the truth is most women end up with as many children as they want.

    What if they “want” fewer than replacement level?

    . This isn’t going to kill us off, since most women want some children and still take all the necessary steps to have them.

    The birth rate has been well below replacement level for quite some time, jon.

    But as soon as some young mother dares to even hint that she wants a little help from the government, they’re irresponsible sluts who should have kept their legs together.

    Let us know if you decide to have a debate with a human being rather than the cartoon characters you have in your head, jon.

  76. JD says:

    How is it forcing a decision on someone to ask that they act responsible before getting pregnant, jon? Nice to know that abortion is nothing other than a convenient form of birth control to you.

  77. Rusty says:

    #68
    Nope, feets. It’s about doing what you have to do, not what you want to do, and taking responsibility for it. Although I admit having kids does reorder your responsibilty hiearchy.

    maya’s just a twit and should never be taken seriously.

    The problem with modern society is that it has short cicuited natures beautiful plan. In other ages the truly stupid and inadequate would have been taken care of by natural selection.
    Now they vote.

  78. jon says:

    Replacement level for what? We can rely as we have in the past on immigration. Many people would love to come here, even if it does turn them into pussies. We just plain aren’t running out of people, so this talk of demographic armageddon is absurd. Tell me when Children of Men becomes a documentary and I’ll get worried along with the rest of the world, but until then we don’t really have much of a problem.

    But if you really fear it, here’s how to offset a low birth rate: increase immigration, expedite that absurdly-lengthy nationalization process, increase the welfare of children, let home prices fall as much as they should and fuck that “stabilization” crap, and make the school day and the work day at least pretend to be close so women can work for themselves and not the parasitic daycare industry. Or you could ban abortion and not see many results. Ban abortion and birth control and you’d see results, but they’d be electoral and very bad for Republicans.

  79. jon says:

    Abortion is not convenient by any means, JD. If I agreed with your premise there, I’d be dumber than a paper bag full of bricks. I think abortion is immoral because it is such a costly and wasteful way to avoid pregnancy. But I still support the right to not have a child, because I won’t force anyone to undertake a responsibility as large as a child. As for my earlier point, it is that while it may not be cognitively dissonant to criticize a poor mother who asks for help, it certainly doesn’t help women want to have babies. That’s all.

  80. JD says:

    Other than you, jon, who is discussing criminalization or banning of abortion? Why must trolls be so consistently and aggressively dishonest?

  81. Pablo says:

    But I still support the right to not have a child, because I won’t force anyone to undertake a responsibility as large as a child.

    Does that also apply to fathers, jon?

  82. JD says:

    Who is criticizing poor mother’s, or is this an example of you arguing with voices in your head?

    You may claim to not want to have abortion be a convenient means of birth control, but the practice of your ideals in the real world is exactly that.

  83. JD says:

    jon is prolly one of those that needs some depussification. Nice threadjack, though. Kudos.

  84. JD says:

    Oh, and Ric Caric is still a fat sexist misogynistic pseudo-intellectual racist what thinks he is superior to women and minorities and presumes to speak for them despite having a horrible greasy comb-over. And he is a pussy.

  85. McGehee says:

    I won’t force anyone to undertake a responsibility as large as a child.

    For you that’s best accomplished by not having sex with her. Is there even a risk of that?

  86. SporkLift Driver says:

    Comment by SBP on 5/24 @ 10:23 am #

    Yes, urthshu. The lefties are aborting themselves into extinction (or simply failing to breed at all).

    If we can survive the next couple of decades (until the senile hippies pass on), things should improve dramatically.

    If.

    I wish I could share your optimism but leftists don’t reproduce sexually. They reproduce by converting our children body snatcher style. It’s going to take a lot more than a couple of generations much less decades for this to result in a human species that consistently resists the conversion process. Meanwhile all kinds of game changing developments are in the works.

  87. Rusty says:

    JD. I think Rick Caric’s wife got the balls in the divorce.

  88. SBP says:

    Replacement level for what?

    Population at time t = n.

    Population at time t + 1 >= n -> at or above replacement level.

    Population at time t + 1 below replacement level.

    It’s a simple concept, jon.

    You’re not actually here for an honest discussion, are you?

    Do enjoy your debate with those cartoon characters, jon.

  89. SBP says:

    That should say:

    Population at time t + 1 < n -> below replacement level.

    The blog software ate some of the characters.

  90. meya says:

    “Does that also apply to fathers, jon?”

    “jon is prolly one of those that needs some depussification.

    “For you that’s best accomplished by not having sex with her. Is there even a risk of that?”

    Good work jon, you got everybody doing their bit.

    “It’s a simple concept, jon.”

    Seem like he gets it. He’s just trying to goad the nativists.

  91. JD says:

    As opposed to being a dishonest fascist like you, meya?

  92. SBP says:

    Oh, I’m a “nativist” now?

    Go fuck yourself, SFAG.

  93. meya says:

    Have you been goaded?

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