Are you among those salivating hickmonkeys rushing to join the angry ideological fringe? Or are you, per David Frum, after “facts and reason and knowledge” (evinced, for instance, in arguments wherein we’re told — “factually” and “reasonably” and “knowledgeably” — that Rush Limbaugh as a person embodies all that is wrong with conservatism, from his cigars to his weight to his drug addiction)?
If you are the former, do know that “some on the right” are quite worried about you.
— Which, when you think about it, is very gracious of them. Because the fact is, they’re much better than the rest of you, and frankly it is somewhat amazing that they even bother to give you the time of day, given the vast discrepancies between your respective worths.
Perils of the big tent, I guess — you find yourself having to deal with people who have nothing else to do all day but sit on their asses and snipe at the far superior and considered wisdom of management…
(h/t sdferr)
It’s the Long Island mother-in-law you’ve always wanted.
After all, what’s a big tent without some clowns?
I mean, our artistic merit might not rank up there with the “serious” performers, with the keen balance of the tightrope walkers or the enviable flexibility of the contortionists.
But we don’t have to wear leotards.
Even Krauthammer is losing it..
Egads. “American-style social democracy”? You can’t call it socialism? It just depresses me to see guys like this getting down on their knees.
When the head of the government fires the president of one of the largest private employers, and then attempts to go after legitimate obligated bonuses ex-post facto, IT IS FUCKING SOCIALISM YOU STUPID TWAT.
I’m in more the despondent non-ideological fringe. Our hungarian fuckmonkey socialist piece of shit president makes a farce of our little country and it makes me more sad than angry.
There’s the bottom line. Compare that to, say, Rush Limbaugh’s audience.
Proves that one must have passion and persuasion. Frum? he couldn’t get his own dog to lick him.
All I know is, it’s really hard to get a handjob from a congressional page in the elevator at the Willard if all you do is repeat Rush’s talking points. Kids these days just want us to be so understanding.
What all of these beard-strokers fail to realize is that Obama isn’t repeating Clinton’s mistake of taking his time to annex enormous portions of the private sector. They have in mind some period of time they consider respectable before one can hit the panic button, but the truth is that Obama is inside this OODA loop of beltway moderation. By time it becomes acceptable to these people to raise an objection with the plain language of what it going on, it will be far too late to do anything about it.
The pragmatic/moderates of the Parties and Independents see a political world composed of, “hale fellow, well met”, people. That belief is part and parcel of the “magical thinking†that the pragmatic/moderate political group engages in to our detriment. There is no room in their world view for an enemy that is not foreign in origin, education, and manners. Especially manners, the enemy is always rude and crude. Not from the right schools you know.
That there could be those of American origin, well educated, well spoken, thoroughly nuanced sociopaths, who wish the destruction of everything that America means and stands for is not part of their way of thinking. They are blind to that threat. They see everyone, in their Washington circle of “friends†as basically like themselves, with some minor political differences. Trivial, trivial, differences compared to those between them and the hoi poli. Those “hicks from the sticks”, hillbillies, snowbillies. Those trashy people.
That those “trivial” political differences could be huge, enormous. That those differences are hidden behind a mask, a mask of manners and education. That others could be fanatically driven entirely by those hidden political ideas. This is beyond their ken. This is the biggest failing of the so called pragmatics or moderates. Opening their eyes to the threats around them is a task that must be done, and soon.
Jeffersonian is exactly right and were facts and reason and knowledge as persuasive as Frumkins thinks they are we wouldn’t have a socialist hungarian muppet bowing and scraping to his saudi royal whore betters, would we?
If you could pick anyone to lead the Republican Party, or rather to be its most prominent spokesman, who would it be? And would you pick Sarah Palin over David Frum?
Jared Padalecki.
duh.
Well, let’s say Jared Padalecki was in a car wreck and had to get a face transplant and the only donor was Dennis Kucinich. Who would you pick then?
Here’s a webpage. It has a lot of hysterical rantings in it.
why would you wish that on Jared Padalecki?
Don’t even joke about such things!
Even!?
With the view from out here on the west end of OUTLAW!, it looks like the hump you guys are having trouble getting over on your way to earning your exclamation points isn’t a willingness to get shitty with the INLAWs, but a resistance to recognizing them.
Krauthammer’s not a marginal case. He’s all in. You can’t squeeze light through the gap between him and Frum. (The moments when it seems like you can are, like, rhetorical Hawking radiation…or something.)
You don’t have to move all the way out here to “Even Milton Friedman’s kid is losing it” to get a ! badge, but Krauthammer? Lost. Always.
Tman
I don’t think Krauthammer is “losing it”… he is being precise — though it is pointing out a difference without too much distinction.
I cannot recall who Dennis Prager was arguing with when this exact subject came up. Some guest of his was arguing that Obama wasn’t proposing Socialism (academic definition), whereupon Dennis said “Show one difference between Obama’s proposed policies and those of any number of Euro parties self-identified as “socialist” or “socialist democrat”.”
You can tell a person is of left persuasion by the way they frame things. For them it is always about the “leader” the “Great Leader”. One whose voice will stand above the masses. By their very being, their presence on a side will bring legitimacy, resonance to the argument.
False question. Answer is MU.
With such a stark choice, clearly Sarah Palin. Frum, at one point did know the arguments against social democracy, but like much of the drinkers from the waters
of Lethe, have forgetten them. Palin, has never forgotten the principles of the party, in every speech, every appearance
and every act in government. But she’s not
a fan of the “Exxon/Conoco knows best’ club, hence she has ticked off the retainers of same in the legislature.
Krauthammer is becoming a buffoon. He is afraid of being marginalized and his ego cannot bear it. Krauthammer is no William F. Buckley, he is apparently an a la carte conservative.
psycho,
I guess I was clouded by Krauthammers usually spot-on reporting on war-related matters and never realized how close he was to the Frums of the world. Consider this an education for me, because someone who attempts to explain the current metastasizing socialism by calling it “American-style democracy” is, to put mildly, full of shit.
Darleen,
“he is being precise — though it is pointing out a difference without too much distinction.”
Nope, sorry. I don’t agree. There is no difference whatsoever. And I don’t think it’s a matter of trying to be precise, it’s clearly that Krauthammer is tired of not getting calls on the weekend to go hang out at DC junkets, and he knows that the only way to change this is to act shocked -SHOCKED!- that someone would compare Obama’s admin to socialism.
“You can tell a person is of left persuasion by the way they frame things. For them it is always about the “leader†the “Great Leaderâ€
Do yourself a favor and try typing “Reagan leader” into your little Google machine.
Psycho #16 you are correct.
Phonies like Krauthammer miss the forest for the trees. As Obama rapes the free market and as he consolidates power, Krauthammer lectures us on “Nuance”.
Fuck him and the horse that kicked him in the face.
Reagan was READY TO RULE FROM DAY 1!
TMAN, you are getting a standing ovation from me.
Krauthammer is a pompous ass. There is no percentage in being a pompous ass no one pays attention to you anymore.
He has reinvented himself as the VICHY CONSERVATIVE.
I am quite capable of seeing nuance. The thing is, I am so confident in that regard that I don’t pretend to see it in order to prove to others that I have that capability.
I’m less W.W. Beauchamp and more William Muny, I guess.
OUTLAW!
Krauthammer is Lionheart next to George Will I think.
And you sir are trying to make all arguments about a person, a personality, and not a philosophy.
But then again, who am I to question you, I’m “just another random anonymous internet person”. One of those uneducated hicks.
So I will just go now and fuck off, sit down, and shut up, since my betters are here now to set my agenda for me. Life is so much easier on Soma.
Krauthammer lost me a few months back when he said (paraphrasing) “you know, maybe a big ass gasoline tax wouldn’t be so bad. We could use all that extra money to fix the infrastructure, etc.”
Any self-proclaimed conservative that advocates giving even more money and power to the federal government is an embarassment and (if I may be impolitic) a traitor to the cause.
“Never feed the beast that is slowly killing us all.” What’s so hard to understand about that?
Of course, Dr K. does occasionally make some good points, and when he does I’ll repeat them far and wide and commend him on his insight. No reflexive opposition here!
But he, Frum, that LA laywer guy, Horowitz, Charles and the rest are dead-wrong on this one.
Breitbart understands, and is arguably doing the most important work in the Right blogosphere: pushing back and fighting on the cultural front. Our principles and arguments cannot win if we’re consistently presented as racist, sexist and patently unhip homophobes, and aren’t willing to call them on that bullshit. If we don’t push back, it’s a tacet acknowledgement of the merits of the left’s characterization, and who wants to be seen agreeing with a bunch of racists…
“And you sir are trying to make all arguments about a person, a personality, and not a philosophy.”
I’m really not; you may have noticed that there’s been an ongoing discussion regarding what sort of person is best-equipped to serve as the face of the Republican Party, and that this very blog post hinges on that discussion. If you’d like to discuss a philosophy, you should go ahead do that instead of making bizarre and demonstrably incorrect assertions about what the use of the term “leader” says about the, ahem, “person” or “personality” using that term.
Krauthammer is dead to me.
Here’s the bottom line folks. We are being fucked up the ass with a hot poker by Obama. Obama is a loser, a complete and utter loser. He is killing our country.
Frum is picking on Limbaugh.
What a fucking moron.
“Anti-Obama talk worries some on right”
Then some on the right ar fucking idiots.
Did you ever hear anything about Anti-Bush talk worrying anyone on the reactionary left?
Thought not.
You silly people didn’t realize we had Krauthamer a long time ago? How do you think he got a MSM job? You thought it was on talent? Ha.
If you’d like to discuss a philosophy, you should go ahead do that
Great. Don’t you claim to be a “libertarian”?
Perhaps you’d like to fill us in on exactly how your boy Obama’s governance has lessened government intrusion in the private sector and increased individual liberty.
But man, at least that ignorant snowbilly Sarah Palin isn’t in office. Can you imagine what she’d have done?
Close tag.
Krauthammer’s right. We shoutldn’t be calling our presiden, “socialist” or “marxist”. The jug eared shit-for-brains is an out and out tyrant. However, many people don’t realize this, he is our first black president. It’s true!
You think people get a jobs in the MSM because they”re good at stuff? They get them because they say what they’re damn well told to say. Like us. That’s why we never really buck the MSM. Birds of a feather and all that. Enjoy.
I just don’t read enough Krauthammer to say really, but I think of him more as a tv guy I don’t watch than a oped guy I don’t read. I miss Michael Kelly, who is dead. I hate that smarmy Ignatius one even more than David Brookth.
but I read him yesterday, Krauthammer, and I don’t know I agree exactly with him being a total pussy like Brookth or Frumkins…
This is true, but what he sneaks in there is that you’ll at least get one Washington Post hit when you google Barack Obama fascist and fascist won’t have quotes around it. That’s not nothing.
oh. link
that’s exactly right because the demorats have never dabbled with fascism, socialism, or jim crow laws.
I thought the part where he said that in his view Baracky “the era of big government is over” Chavez is “making the case for an American-style social democracy, not socialism†was more interesting. If he actually helps drag that debate into the open it would be a service I think.
I would hang at Patterico, but all the fun people there got banned.
Has anyone here watched the HBO miniseries John Adams? It was great, though it was a lefty production through and through.
However, nothing has changed in terms of constant shifting political winds, friends turn into enemies, vice versa, and so on and so on.
By ‘lefty production,’ I mean the filmmakers, not the content of the miniseries.
Kraut has had some hard-hitting comments on the Fox all-stars dealo. Yesterday he was spot-on. He almost made Mort Kondracke cry. I’m don’t know why he’s making Frum’s point.
Some find in this descent into large-scale industrial policy a whiff of 1930s-style fascist corporatism. I have my doubts.
I have to agree with Krauthammer here, though I would say that there is a whiff of CORPORATISM (not socialism, sorry) to it. However, the auto crisis and credit crises were thrust upon Obama, and they’re not part of his plan.
If other industries run begging to Washington for bailouts, you can be sure Obama will go ahead and give them The Treatment, though.
Krauthammer is right about Obama’s True Agenda:
Levin calls it Statism, which is probably a more accurate term than Socialism or Fascism, but the difference between Statism and the others is of DEGREE, not of KIND, which is why the more “extreme” terms are being bandied about so freely–Statism smells too much like the early 20th-century progressive movements.
And given that our country was founded on exactly the opposite of Statism, it’s not alarming at all that we classical liberals are pitching fits.
This Is Not America, as the David Bowie song goes. And we’ll be damned if we’ll just sit still and let it happen. We owe it to the blood of all those who died defending our liberties–not the “benevolent” state.
As someone else said in another thread: there’s two kinds of people in this world: those who believe that people ought to be controlled and those who have no such aspirations. The founders were of the latter category, and Obama is of the former.
And the former kind cannot be trusted with any degree of power, much less the leadership of the free world.
that’s exactly right because 0! only “fired” the president of a private company and didn’t intern him like fdr or imprison him like woody wilson
Joe Biden says, “Charles, Charles Krauthammer, stand up! Oh, what am I talking about! Stand up folksH Stand up for Chuck!”
I’m don’t know why he’s making Frum’s point.
Because he, like all Washington insiders, learn to hear our side with the other side’s ears. And they cringe because they know how the other side will react.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I seem to recall “social democracy” was a term coined by weenie socialists (SINOs?) so they could push a more moderate, less threatening form of socialism without being confronted with, you know, the truth that they were nevertheless pushing socialism.
I’m sorry, Mr. Krauthammer, but an idiot in a good mood is still an idiot, and a socialist going slow is still a socialist.
Krauthammer’s conclusion is worth repeating:
Please notice the scare quotes around “fair.” Because we know it will be anything but.
But yeh, I’ll watch my tone.
Krauthammer has a name that always reminds me of something the should have been painted on a tank gun barrel as the Third Army crossed the English Channel.
I am willing to allow Krauthammer his view that Obama is all about creating an “American style social democracy”.
OK
My response is still that I do not want an “American social democracy”, but in my response, the word “fuck” would be thrown around liberally for emphasis.
Is it OK with Frum if I say that I want any attempt to reframe America into a social democracy to fucking fail?
Obama is all about eroding freedom and historical American values.
Regardless of which side of the aisle the eroding force comes from I will continue to vote for the candidates I feel best can stand for freedom.
I like people who have deeply held personal beliefs about the best ways to live in their own personal lives but who can govern well and fairly from a point of rule of law and personal freedom.
Obama has shown very very little evidence of that.
I love outlaw, but I would rather have freedom.
Guys like Frum, Krauthammer should stand for freedom…. fuck nuances of “unhelpful speech”.
I’m fine with those two speaking freely about how some free speech is fucking unfuckinghelpful…. but have the nuts to defend the right of whomfuckingever to speak free from disfuckinghonest distortion.
However, the auto crisis and credit crises were thrust upon Obama, and they’re not part of his plan.
See, I disagree strongly with this. Obama was heavily involved with all of the bailouts while he was senator, and the idea that he just happened to show up one day and get dealt with a bad hand is bullshit. He voted for them as senator then, and he’s signing them in to law as president now. I don’t see the disconnect here.
How can Krauthammer say “For him the ultimate social value is fairness. Imposing it upon the American social order is his mission. ” and not call it socialism?
You can only do this if you are again, full of shit.
Wait, why are y’all slagging on Krauthammer again?
Here’s what else he said in the piece:
Furthermore, the entire article kinda made moderates like Frum look pretty silly, IMAO.
That “but” at the beginning of the last sentence rhetorically negates Frum’s assertion.
And again, Frum is quoted, then shot down.
In this piece, Frum’s PoV is presented and then shot down, and Krauthammer gets the last word, above, where he denies that there’s a kind of ODS going on.
So. There we are. OUTLAWs 1, squishes 0.
Dicentra,
Kraut didn’t write the article. He was only quoted a few times.
Krauthammer is able to slay Obama and his socialist policies w/o using the term. Prolly cause he’s more literate than me. Anyone else watch him on Fox every night?
He voted for them as senator then, and he’s signing them in to law as president now. I don’t see the disconnect here.
When Obama announces that he’s going to go ahead and be The Decider for all private companies, then we can suspect that it’s been his design all along. I wish I could say that it will never happen, though. I can’t put anything past him.
How can Krauthammer say “For him the ultimate social value is fairness. Imposing it upon the American social order is his mission.”†and not call it socialism?
Because the goal of “fairness” is only a part of socialism. It’s socialism when government owns the means of production. When government calls the shots for a private industry, its “corporatism.”
Again, the difference between statism, “American-style social democracy,” and socialism or fascism is a difference of degree, not of kind. All of them involve increasing the size and scope of government, and all are anathema to classical liberalism.
“Obama’s dragging us down the road to socialism” is more accurate than saying that America is now socialist. But I’m not against using the term “socialism” in that context at all.
Kraut didn’t write the article. He was only quoted a few times.
I know, but people are slagging on his distinction between the term “socialism” and “American-style social democracy,” as if that marked him as a squish. I was pointing out that his arguments were used in that article to forward the idea that Frum is wrong to be all anxious about starboard-side rhetoric.
because i don’t like O! approved laws stripping the governors of their right. 10th amendment
because i don’t like O! approved boards overseeing gm
because i don’t like O! looking at shutting down the internet 4th amendment
because i can’t trust O! who said he won’t raise any taxes on people making under 250k then raises tobacco taxes 600%
Dicentra,
When Obama announces that he’s going to go ahead and be The Decider for all private companies
When he fires the head of one of the largest employers, that’s one too many as far as I’m concerned. I’m not waiting for him to get to 1/4 of all private companies before I call it socialism.
no that’s communism
Well, I’m not either. But, does one “have” to call it socialism in order to properly voice your displeasure? Someone on the teevee said that Obama’s recent forays smack more of fascism than socialism.
I don’t know if it’s valuable for us to throw him off the plantation for a few words we disagree with.
it might be a whole new ism. Some new repulsive ism no one done yet cause no one trashy enough to have done em ever got his trashy ass elected.
obamaism
Whether it’s socialism or fascism or “social democracy” … I don’t care because I want no part of any of it. I started working on my dem mom and sister. Trying to build outrage on paying $3 tax for smokes. That would be a 100% rate, I do believe. Or dang close.
Have we mentioned how much all of Europe just LOVES Michelle? I haven’t been around here the last few days, but I heard that Michelle now joins the ranks of Lady Diana, Jacky O, and …. one more I can’t remember right now.
it must be the toned arms
So much so that Barack Obama will snub his hosts after arriving in Prague this evening in favour of a romantic Saturday night dinner with his wife, Michelle.
O/t but … GO SPARTY!
Joe Biden: Stand-by Douche
Well, I suppose Baracky and Michelle don’t get to Europe every weekend. Who are we to deny them a moment? Certainly not the MSM. I wonder if she’ll carry a doggy bag again.
Does Obama pay lip service to the Constitution of the United States? Why yes, he does. Why?
Why, if he intends to alter the form of our government? Because whatever he may intend, he knows he does not and will not have the power to alter this nation’s Constitution. He hasn’t the power to change our form of government from the wishy-washy Democratic Republic it now is to an admitted Socialist arrangement.
Hence Krauthammer’s distinction, Obama is a social democrat, not a socialist.
I have always considered Krauthammer a person you could rely on for a well-formed opinion; not wordy but able to able to express a strong conservative stance. David Frum, no so much.
I was considering going to a local Tea Party on April 15, but starting to think its pretty useless. Gatherings like that usually accomplish nothing.
There is nothing to stop what’s coming. I think we’re playing a game here. It’s a fantasy to think there will be a societal revelation that would change the course we are on. The country is rudderless. We like to imagine there is something we can do, but the impact of what the government is accomplishing very quickly now will develop incrementally. We’ll make adjustments as things effect our lives. Some will manage better than others. But our children will never know another way.
Hey, I can’t help it, I’m a realist. But I have ADD as well, so I don’t dwell on things.
I’m going Kasper, because I don’t want someone to ask me what I did when Obama turned us into a social democracy, I don’t wanna say “nothing” because I figured it wouldn’t help.
It may change nothing (a conclusion I don’t necessarily agree with) but I have to live with myself.
You know, I think us taxpayers should send the Obama’s on a second honeymoon. One night in Prague isn’t enough.
true but you could think of it as a way of networking with like minded individuals in your area. local & state gov’t is as much a hell hole as the feds as far as taxes
47/47 oye.
What a teaparty MAY do is give confidence to those in government who want to stand on principal. It will be a nice comment to those “Republicans” in office who haven’t been conservative these past years.
As someone else said in another thread: there’s two kinds of people in this world: those who believe that people ought to be controlled and those who have no such aspirations.
Whoever it was must’ve been quoting Heinlein, because that’s right out of Lazarus Long.
55/51
Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.
— Lazarus Long
You’re right, Carin.
I shall go.
Crap. I’m researching worm composting (’cause I’m a gardener) and I just found out that I can “help stop global warming” by doing this.
Way to take the wind out of my sails.
Composting is a good reason to own a nice sharp pitchfork, Carin, which in turn can have many other handy uses itself.
Can I note that it’s fucking freezing here in Michigan? They’re getting snow storms in Gaylord. There has been constant snow coverage since the last week in October up there (not the UP, just the Northern part of the mitten).
One night in Prague isn’t enough.
One Night in Bangkok, maybe?
I have a WONDERFUL pitchfork. Unfortunately, sometimes during the fall before this one, my kids took it out somewhere in the 10 acres, and I haven’t been able to find it since. grrr.
Is it any surprise that the right has fellow travelers as well?
62/54
“According to a person close to the situation, Obama hasn’t yet appointed a chief of protocol and his staffers, still unpacking, didn’t realize that the State Department has an entire office dedicated to foreign visits.”
no that’s communism
Communism, academically speaking, is when all means of production are held in common by the entire population. There is no state in communism. The Soviet Communists were supposed to start off with socialism (government owning means of production), which was supposed to transition into the ultimate Utopia of Communism.
But like Carin says, whatever you call it, it’s all an abomination.
As far as the tea parties go, it’s important to get the numbers up at the rallies if for no other reason than for other people to see how many of us there are.
“We surround them,” as it were.
I’m researching worm composting (’cause I’m a gardener) and I just found out that I can “help stop global warming†by doing this.
Off to the landfill it is, then.
Actually, organic gardening is supposed to increase CO2 levels because they till weeds under instead of applying RoundUp (my favorite), and the decomposition emits CO2.
As a gardener, I’m opposed to all efforts to reduce atmospheric CO2 levels. My babies need all the carbon they can get.
Carin, what’cha growing this year?
Our first migrating male oriole, decked out in his mating finery spent the morning in my yard, Carin. They’re heading your way soon. Sooner yet, those other Orioles will be back up north plying their version of lousy baseball. All the signs are there, spring is coming attcha.
Don’t worry Carin, I took three planes yesterday to even things out.
I’m running a carbon defenestration trading scheme where “deniers” who accidentally do something “Green” can get back in the good graces of the “ideological fringe” by buying carbon emissions from me by the ton. With mowing season upon us, I’m your cheapest supply. Come on DOWN!
Well! Last year I started with NOTHING and had to bring in dirt (which took forever) to build up the beds around the house. I put in a LOT … mostly perennials. I can’t wait until spring to see if everything made it through the winter ok.
This year, we’re going to build a series of raised beds for veggies. I’ve got a million tomatoes started inside, and peppers. We’re going to do cucs, beans (yellow and green), corn (kids want to ), sugar snap peas, and reg peas. What else? Oh, birdhouse gourds – can’t wait to see if those turn out. Lettuce.
Last year, too, I put in a wild flower garden. I can’t wait to see how that will be this year. It’s on a huge hill – huge lengthwise.
in a marxist theory yes, in the soviet, chicom et al no, that is real world communism for the “reality based community”
Carin
I recommend composting if you have the space for it. Once you get a system up and working, the rich soil eventually produced is quite amazing. Just be willing to muscle up to screen the new soil.
I have a compost pile. Not much in it yet. I just really want to get a worm one going too.
Damn. UConn blew it. Congratulations, Carin.
By the way, I’m GLAD that anti-Obama talk worries those jerk-offs who call themselves conservatives. I hope they stay worried.
Go SPARTY!!!! Woot woot.
Comment by Carin on 4/4 @ 5:58 pm #
Crap. I’m researching worm composting (’cause I’m a gardener) and I just found out that I can “help stop global warming†by doing this.
Way to take the wind out of my sails.
Do your composting in an old refrigerator what ya let all the ole freon out of.
Krauthammer on Obama denigrating the US abroad, as per Carin’s #47. h/t Flopping Aces
go wildcats
Yes, that was it Sdferr! My husband and I were cheering.
You can call a shit sandwich HOPE and CHANGE all you like, until you take a bite of it.
Krautheinder can call Big Ears Dumbo’s style of Socialism/Marxism whatever he wants to call it. It still tastes like shit.
The question to me is, why is Krautheinder arguing semantics??
Kasper, Oaks trees grow from tiny acorns. OUCH ACORN’s!!!
Krauthammer has argued that he thinks the companies will pay back the government and get control back away from the government. He sees a bigger threat, from Barack, in the form of Cap and trade, healthcare, and education reform.
I don’t think he is arguing semantics.
Just burn a few old tires to make up for it, Carin.
Some banks have already tried that. And surprise! — Obama doesn’t want the money back. He likes ginning up the outrage, then providing protection.
This is about power and control.
He’s quite MAFIA like that.
That Chevy Chase Lounge really was a den of crypto-socialist iniquity back in the day gus. I mean, my god, Meg Greenfield drank there.
Carin, if Krauthammer is arguing about what we should call Obama’s leftist form of radical governance rather than calling Obama out on it, I believe that he is arguing semantics.
If Krauthammer wasted one second on discussing the proper term and saying Socialism and fascism are “wild”, then he is arguing semantics and he has jumped the shark.
jeff g.
contact glenn beck please
i mean beck is looking for voices in flyover country
In his wheelchair no less. Canny.
I have a compost pile. Not much in it yet.
I bought one of these a few years back, and it’s now housing lots of dry lawn clippings but not much in the way of compost. I put it on the south side of my garage, so it gets about 8 hours of direct sunlight a day. I need to drench it and tumble it, but I got this blasted thyroid problem what shut down all but the essentials, so the tumbler is about as useful as a government project.
Some banks have already tried that. And surprise! — Obama doesn’t want the money back.
And there’s the tip-off right there. Maybe taking control of the financial system wasn’t part of his Master Grand Plan originally, but he’s not about to let a good crisis go to waste.
So Krauthammer’s wrong about this bank and auto thing being a transient distraction. It would appear that he’s going to keep the banks and GM and do the holy trinity of healthcare, energy, and education.
If Newsweek was correct (which is always chancy) the Obama Administration did not know that the White House needs a protocol officer. And they were unaware that the State Department had such people.
How is this for a house organ of the DNC to report: “Not only were we so ignorant not to fill this post, but we were so ignorant that we did not realize there is an entire Department of the federal government that is dedicated to this task.”?
That report alone should give anyone pause. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. I say again; Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. Over.
If you ask me (and I know you would if you could), Frum was never much of a conservative.
People thought he was conservative because he was in the forefront of the opposition to the Harriet Miers SCOTUS nomination, but that was merely personal pique. They were in the White House together for a short period, and apparent Harriet didn’t show much respect for the 2nd Assistant Spellchecker to the Deputy Thesaurus-bearer, or whatever his title was in the speech-writing department.
I bought one of these a few years back, and it’s now housing lots of dry lawn clippings but not much in the way of compost.
If all you have is grass clippings you will probably also want to add some nitrogen (a little blood meal does wonders) and maybe some compost starter (or a hunk of active compost from somebody else) whenever you to get around to firing it up.
Who is Glenn Beck?
Who is Glenn Beck?
John Galt’s first cousin, twice removed.
He’s also the guy that ripped the Connecticut AG a new one (a couple of new ones, actually).
Good TV, that clip.
Good luck with that deal.
Composting is good. I run the hay and chicken shit through it too. The resulting stuff is high test plant food (provided you age it right before you put it on the plants). Ohterwise it will burn them.
Krauthammer may be squishy on the ‘fascism’ point, but he’s not without his uses. Here’s his video response to Obama’s “Europe rulez, America drools…” bit
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Terms like “socialist” and “fascist” have been too often employed as simple epithets. The left is trying to take advantage of that and spin ALL use of those terms by non-leftists as expressions of political hatred and fear by uncritical reactionaries. BAM! The comparison of their governing philosophy to that of the atrocious ideologies of the last century is obfuscated and avoided,and their political foes are mischaracterized as primitive and hateful—a classic two-fer.
We should stop using political epithets, which at the end of the day, are merely ad hominem anyway.
yours/
peter.
I nominate dicentra as the winner of this thread.
I don’t think Krauthammer’s criticism of O! isn’t squimish at all. I’m not going to stop using the “S” word, but I agree with Peter.
Obama and friends are, more accurately, progressive. It has it’s roots in socialism and communism and similarities, but it’s a brave new world kind of welfare-state, class warefare strategy. Perhaps they (wrongy) believe it’s a form of socialism that will work.
Whatever. I’ll bristle when someone tells me to tone it down, but I still think Kraut is on our side.
isn’t=is
I have dog/cat fights going on here.
totalitarianism is the natural end point of progressivism. That’s not an epithet; that’s a sober description.
I think Mr. Kraut is pacing himself probably. I don’t really care about him all that much to be honest though. His audience is either Fox news watcher people, which means if he wasn’t there they’d plug in a Kraut-like facsimile, or Washington Post readers, which are mostly socialists. As far as Mr. Kraut on the Internet goes the observation about Fox news applies. The Mr. Krauts of the world have mostly drawn the lot of standing in the background making vaguely anti-socialist noises. They chose a secure steady paycheck over Making A Difference.
That’s a twisted opinion lacking sobriety, in my opinion.
No, it’s not.
No it is not and I will tell you why. People what are on the dirty socialist media’s payroll are part of the problem, and the Mr. Kraut-like ones are the worsest ones of all in this respect. The dirty socialist piece of shit hungarian muppet wouldn’t be president today but for his slavish and fawning banana republic NPR NYT MSNBC media locksteppers. Mr. Kraut is way way too cowardly to take on the media locksteppers in a meaningful way. So is the bow tie pansy guy. So are all of the “conservative” pundits what work for major newspapers. I’ll change my mind when Mr. Kraut does a column what says Peggy, my God you are a silly twat.
Let’s not throw Krauthammer, over the plank, just yet. He basically agrees with
80% of the argument, you’re proposing, he prefers to characterize it as social democracy rather than socialism, it’s stronger variant. I think Obama’s
preference is for the latter, for the former with his strong anti-military orientation. Obama’s more in line with the Clause 4 Labourites, and the far edge of the SDP/PDS (Party for Democratic Socialism) than Tony Blair or say Helmut
Schmidt. Regardless it would befundamental
transformation of American society, that would be almost impossible to fully reverse
I was thinking about this at church (instead of God, I suppose I’ll have to go to confession) but what gets me about this particular instance is that the writer of that article (who isn’t really our friend, I don’t think, since he was trying to argue that conservatives want us to tone it down) used a few quotes of Kraut’s to make whatever point he was making. Until I see a full-fledged article from Mr. Kraut telling me that I’m nutso for using teh “S” word, I’m not going to count him on the enemies list.
Honestly, anyone who thinks Kraut is swishy needs to watch that youtube bit linked.
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hf, please ignore the puling lackwit.
Thank you.
I default to polite, but I treat others the way they treat me. Rumor has it turning the other cheek gets you crucified, so I don’t see much future in it.
The pretender in chief has already had all the respect from me that he will ever get, sans apologies. I’m not holding my breath. He’s failing, and it doesn’t take any wishes from me or any effort on my part to make it that way. I refuse to lie and say I’m not enjoying watching him beclown himself.
It’s like being in boot camp with a complete screwup. You know the Drill Instructor is going to make everybody do push ups until he gets tired of watching, but it’s awesome watching one guy turn and march in the wrong direction… Total, public humiliation. What else is there to laugh at? There’s nowhere to hide, and the next do-over isn’t for 43 months.
You know, there’s this stereotype that feminism is simply a convenient excuse for humorless, nagging women who can’t get a date.
I wonder where anyone could get such an idea.