The “Jeff is a vainglorious character assassin whose lies and misrepresentations of the truly virtuous among us threaten to destroy the whole of conservatism and he therefore should be bounced from polite company with a wag of the finger and a firm cockpunch” open thread and jazz bar post
Have at me. I won’t be listening.
145 Replies to “The “Jeff is a vainglorious character assassin whose lies and misrepresentations of the truly virtuous among us threaten to destroy the whole of conservatism and he therefore should be bounced from polite company with a wag of the finger and a firm cockpunch” open thread and jazz bar post”
I could go for the jazz bar, as long as it some of the good stuff and not that cat-on-a-keyboard crap. Oh, and I could totally go without the vainglorious cock punching. That’s just not cool.
Like this?
DON’T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS! SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS, TOFFEE-NOSED, MALODOROUS PERVERT!
Since you’re not listening, what good would it do to let you know that you are no longer remotely humorous since you started taking comedic advice from Patterico?
This is news? Oy, when did you ever listen? Who wears pajamas to work, we said? Who runs around with a pet armadillo we said? Do you think your Micheal Jackson? Does he listen? Does he listen to us? Is the Pope Muslim? Do bears get Brazilian bikini waxes in the woods? Don’t listen to us! See if we care …
Don’t ever change. Change tactics or venue, but not yourself.
The developing trainwreck that is the Obama administration is creating disaster, but also opportunity. If there is a way out of this nightmare, you have a role to play in groping towards it.
I think we should call them “Vichy conservatives” in the name of greater accuracy.
Frankly, nearly all who have joined the clique were already on my “life isn’t long enough to waste time reading this moron” list.
Ah, sorry, this is supposed to be a Jeff-bashing thread, isn’t it?
Well, okay, Jeff, let me introduce you to my little friend: Gillette Fusion. Shave, dude, the 70’s were a long time ago and you weren’t a porn star then.
Fuck all moderates and political pussies. Bunch of Pussies who let in the communist with all their fucking understanding and moderation. Fuck moderates to hell. I can at least respect the left for taking a stand but moderats are….”waaaaa I can’t make up my fucking mind…I JUST DON’T KNOW.”
McCain “waaaa I want to run a fucking honorable campaign so I can sleep at night” fucker gave away the country to a communist, so he could sleep well at night. Well thank you very much asshole McCain.
The definition of honor does not include giving away your country to a maniac so you can look yourself in the mirror.
ok, this is enough.
the net is big enough for frey and goldstein.
the conservative movement is big enough for you two.
Bottom line is some stupid crap got said: Frey shouldnt have called out Jeff on the new direction he is trying to take things, made fun of the site and money; Jeff was out of line bringing up the Jew shit. I dont think of gauleiters and trains to the east when I read Frey’s blog.
the right needs both views about now. Frey has done wonderful stuff–we all owe him a round of drinks for the Greenwald stuff alone–and Jeff is right about the new direction conservative thinking and rhetoric needs to move. he might be the guy to get the wagons moving. I bet he is.
you started this rebellion, jeff, now finish it. outlaw!!!! we have to stop being nice. sometimes you have to get mean. plumb downright snake spitting mean. its what the dems do. and we need leaders that will call a spade a spade, not pussy foot around trying to be collegial. we need leaders that are not afraid to stand up for conservative values. to defend and fight for them. i’m with you jeff. outlaw
We should all write Vap’n Ed and Allah and remind them that there are teo sides to every argument, and that by having Patterico state his side they are essentially compelled, in the name of both intellectual honesty, free speech, and real fairness, to have Jeff G present his side as well…
I’ve been attending spottily over the last few days due to personal duties and the travails of a freshly torn rotator cuff, on two axes. Did anyone actually say this tripe about Jeff G? Because in my opinion nothing could be further removed from reality…
I posted a Jeff Comment at Hot Air. I am sure Allah and Ed are quite aware of this dispute already. Let’s see if they have a set and post Jeff’s side of it.
First, I think that Jeff, Patterico, and Allahpundit should get together somewhere, have a couple of cold ones, and work it out. I figure that they would probably come out of it with everyone happy, but if that didn’t work, Jeff could always just jerk a couple of knots into various parts of their anatomies. I’d pay for the video of that one.
Second, I think that while they are settling their own differences, the rest of us need to descend en-mass on Frum, and jerk knots in various parts of his anatomy. He’s the one who needs to be dogstomped.
Life was simpler when I was a lad. Words had meanings and everybody understood them. These days, not so much.
Compromise with liberals (there’s a word that doesn’t mean what it used to mean) is like petting a rabid weasel. Nothing good can come of it. You’re going to get hurt. It will be your fault. As the intelligent player in this transaction, you know what will happen.
Why make it hard on yourself. If you’re into pain, you can always put your hand into a running garbage disposal. When it heals, you’ll have a permanent reminder not to do anything stupid.
I don’t need to hope Obama fails. I know he is failing. I’m just watching and hoping that he doesn’t take me down with him. A lot of people are going to get hurt for a long time before this gets cleaned up. I’ve already had my Jimmy Carter years and now I get a do over.
It has actually been bothering me for nearly 2 months, but as an old D-lineman I tried to simply shake it off as a tweak or perhaps developing arthritis…
Finally though, the impaired mobility, and the wife’s entreaties, convinced me to see a sawbones and get an MRI. You can imagine my surprise when I recieved his diagnosis!
So, I’m engaged in some therapy sessions in the hopes of avoiding any surgical response. Although I realize that arthroscopy is a highly developed technique, and minimally invasive, I have a rather simplistic view that outside of catastrophic injuries or system failure, the wonderful machines that are our bodies will often repair themselves…
Thanks again for the well wishes, and you better believe that I’m on board; I’m down with the struggle, man!
I’d rather a 1500 comment thread on where do we go from here, as long as it doesn’t evolve or get hijacked into a discussion Buffy Musical. NTTATWWT really, but not the place or time.
Or shorter. What do Twitter, Facebook and Google Groups mean to me and my political life?
Wall Street is weak and jittery, rejecting the vague and laconic courtship of Timothy Geithner. G.M. is verging on bankruptcy, and A.I.G. should be. Americans are confused and fretful. President Obama admitted in his Times interview that the United States is not winning the war in Afghanistan, even as he denied — and then called back 90 minutes later to really deny — that he’s a socialist.
Let’s face it: The only bracing symbol of American strength right now is the image of Michelle Obama’s sculpted biceps. Her husband urges bold action, but it is Michelle who looks as though she could easily wind up and punch out Rush Limbaugh, Bernie Madoff and all the corporate creeps who ripped off America.
In the taxi, when I asked David Brooks about her amazing arms, he indicated it was time for her to cover up. “She’s made her point,†he said. “Now she should put away Thunder and Lightning.â€
Ah yes, wise man. RaMpage took a monster shin to the jewels.
While on the subject of cockpunches, Matt Brown delivered one of the biggest UFC cockslappings ever last night.
Wall Street isn’t weak and jittery. It is reacting sanely and responsibly to the environment it has lived within and in explicit accordance with the rules by which the US market has been defined for literally decades.
All the debt – based investment vehicles are still legal. All the beyond – the – pale, we only make money when companies fail, insanely convoluted and computer model enabled three shell monte games are still the law of the marketplace.
All the ways that companies pay off congressmen are still operative, too, via PACs, bundling, and kickbacks that don’t get exposed.
The market isn’t the problem. Not the part that takes capital in return for goods, services, and a reasonable RISK that the investment of that capital will return a profit for the investor.
What is broken is the parasitic relationship of our government to the governed. Economic stress – well, catastrophe – is just a minor component of the true disaster befalling us. Pick a social issue and analyze the contemporary of impact of government on the target and then consider what the existing trend means for the future of the issue. Go ahead, pick one. Race? Family? Education? Welfare? Environmentalism?
We recovered from the last Great Depression in spite of the good intentioned meddling of Best and Brightest alumni. It took a world war and eight years longer than it should have.
In 2009 we are a a nation bereft of competent government, saddled with the baggage of fifty years of chowder headed Leftism. Our executive is staffed by the kids who used to hang out in the dark corners of the commons and smoke dope, while the Congress is become the road cast for “Tammany Hall – The Revival”.
Obama is aiming to destroy a system he hates but has never understood. He confuses tactics with strategy, as demagogues and charlatans always do. The familiar faces of the Clinton administration have been pulled out of their sinecures for their usefulness as human shields. Their familiar faces – their “known quantities” aren’t there in the halls of power because of their talent or potential for contributing to to any agenda. They are layers of apparent normalcy that are intended to deflect criticism (with the earnest and committed aid of legacy media) and slow the rise of actual resistance as long as possible.
I don’t want Obama to “fail” becuase that is his prime objective. He intends to fail catastrophically; at least, that’s what it will look like to anybody who thought that guarding individual liberty or the Constitutional duties of the office had shit to do with the program. Obama certainly does understand the market but only to the extent that the market functions as a largely free exchange of ideas, goods, and services, and that the utopic vision that has been Obama’s life objective is impossible while it exists.
Mr. Obama knows his limitations. Wiser heads must follow the revolution… but his goal as revolutionary will be realized by the destruction of the establishment. Job security? Make old Joe Biden VP. Nobody in the senate wants Joe in charge of anything more complex than parking stall assignments… but the money men in Delaware are gold in the bank with their bought man down the hall from the real power.
Hillary Clinton as VP? The media invested twenty fucking years packaging her as the Smartest Woman On The Planet. What are they going to do now? Go after her demonstrated lack of competence via the Russians, Hamas, etc? Shit, like they are going to point out that the articulate black guy might just be a communist.
It’s a word used heavily in Jeff’s past writings, that Patterico should reacquaint himself with. The opposition is far beyond intellectual dishonesty and ignorance. They are using language as a weapon, and “being careful” instead of challenging them gives them a heavy hand up in the debate, or better yet for them, stifles the debate.
What Rush and Jeff understand explicitly is that conservative politicians must first understand and vigorously challenge the false premises of the left. And in this court, the judge (media) has been bought-off by the mob…
“Pick a social issue and analyze the contemporary of impact of government on the target and then consider what the existing trend means for the future of the issue.”
I swear, this has never happened to me before. nervous laugh. Apparently it doesn’t like links today? 2006 poll.
Fox’s question was revealing: “Regardless of how you voted in the presidential election, would you say you want President Bush to succeed or not?†Democrats said “not,†51 percent to 40 percent – where the public at large wanted success by almost two to one
I swear, this has never happened to me before. nervous laugh. Apparently it doesn’t like links today? 2006 poll.
Fox’s question was revealing: “Regardless of how you voted in the presidential election, would you say you want President Bush to succeed or not?†Democrats said “not,†51 percent to 40 percent – where the public at large wanted success by almost two to one
(from above, with a minor tweak) “I don’t want Obama to “fail†becuase that is his prime objective. He intends to fail catastrophically; at least, that’s what it will look like to anybody who thought that guarding individual liberty or the Constitutional duties of the office had shit to do with the program. Obama certainly does understand (one thing about) the market: (as long as) the market functions as a largely free exchange of ideas, goods, and services, (then) the utopic vision that has been Obama’s life objective is impossible while it exists.”
Markets mean competition, which means winners and losers. Smart business creates more of the former than the latter. But Social Justice demands equality of outcome. Hence, competition bad.
Winners REAL bad.
Fucking winners. They must pay! So, make the majority of taxpayers non-payers. And since winners are BAD, take away the new non-taxpayers’ liberty and tell them that they are now Better People.
And send the ones that ask questions to the camps.
Dammit. I usually feel MUCH better after Tmj’ Awesome Waffles. Not today.
Off to clean up stuff. With only one day a week for me I can’t spend too much time sitting down.
According to that NYT interview with The One, he isn’t a socialist. No, really. And in case you didn’t believe him, he phoned back to reiterate. Why don’t I believe him?
Pfft. Obama is doing the old “kick the dog until it bites, then shoot him” trick. The dog hasn’t a choice about biting or not, but he has control over when he chooses to do it.
45. Comment by TmjUtah on 3/8 @ 10:53 am #
well said and expresses most of my thoughts as to O’s goals.
46. Comment by phreshone on 3/8 @ 10:55 am #
A better analogy might be that the
judge and jury = the american people
defendant = capitalist based, free market economy
state = obama and other marxist/socialist radicals
prosecutor = major left/liberal spokes people
defense = major conservative spokes people
court recorder = mainstream media
Imagine a courtroom where the arguments presentED by the contending positions were not heard directly by the judge/jury but were filtered through the court recorder.(and the court recorder is a member of the prosecution)
This is more congruent to the situation we have today.
Few conservatives/capitalists have been able to absorb this concept sufficiently to react quickly and correctly to the assaults on our freedom by those of the other side and their willing partners the mainstream media.
John McCain and other republicans still can’t wrap their heads around the FACT that the media has fully become a partner in the destruction of the economic system of this country. They still have the mental construct within that has the media as being a 3rd force in politics in this country (albeit a biased one). They see the media as having generally played an anti-government/anti-tyranny, communications outlet for those who are vehemently against whatever government policies/actions have been enacted that they feel impacts them in the negative but that more or less presents both sides reasonably well.
THIS IS NO LONGER TRUE!
The media has, enmass, decided to openly become a full fledged partner of the leftist/liberal/socialist movement in this country. They aim to have EVERY liberal/socialist policy enacted in this country so that america can take it’s place alongside the European states (those they have praised for so many years).
What’s different about now than before? simple, they’re growing old! Soon they will no longer be able to command the controls of the media organs in this country and the opportunity presented itself in the form of an affirmative action minority having attained a position to lead the democrat party with a relatively clean background (with their help) was too good to pass up.
Having gotten this person elected, they cannot turn aside now. To do so would be to admit to themselves and each other that the policies that they have so assiduously championed over the years are wrong and will lead to the destruction of this country. (many of them have this as their goal)
Some are self-deluded and are just useful idiots and fellow travelers and some actually see the destruction of the economic system as necessary for the fundamental changes they wish to see made.
To speak in moderation in the face of utter stupidity or blatant antagonism is folly! YOU CANNOT PERSUADE FANATICS/ZEALOTS OF THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS! (That’s kind of the definition of fanatic/zealot you know.)
Anyone who speaks of moderation and are concerned about the “undecideds” being put off by truth labeled as hyperbole is fighting the wrong battle. While those moderates are speaking moderately, the zealots will be taking them out to be shot. (metaphorically speaking {so far})
This assault on Rush is NOT to disguise the O’s inept actions. THIS ASSAULT ON RUSH IS TO GET THE REPUBLICANS SNIPING AT EACH OTHER OVER NUANCE AND THE PARTY’S “DIRECTION” INSTEAD OF ATTACKING THE TREASONOUS ACTIONS OF THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS!
“And in case you didn’t believe him, he phoned back to reiterate. Why don’t I believe him?”
The phone back is only done when second thoughts creep in that the lie didn’t stick well the first time. It’s like semantic duct tape. It may make it stick but it’s a shabby, temporary fix.
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Dude…you nevah learn.
This is memetic warfare, and you’re goin’ guerillero?
Let’s check your armament.
You have a throwing stick and some rocks….that would be talk radio….and now you are going to use Twitter? lol.
You have an elegant and anchronistic vacumn tube mainframe……that would be semiotics……but you need Uzis and AK-47s.
You need the memetic equivalent of this.
And let’s face it…you badly need some sort of gypsyhook to get the marks back into the tent.
You need viral marketing and ARGs.
Where does that shit come from in a party that ideologically bankrupt?
Let’s say you get the guns, but what’s your ammo, dude?
You have a throwing stick and some rocks….that would be talk radio….and now you are going to use Twitter? lol.
Actually, I’m going to use Twitter. Jeff is going to tag mailboxes with a paint pen or whatever it is that people say Jeff is doing, saying or thinking. But the point is we aren’t doing what you think we should be doing. Hell, I’m not even doing what Jeff thinks I should be doing. Jeff, I think, is taking care of himself.
Sure was fucking exciting when President Dinkins had a Twitter conversation with a bunch of Silicon Valley washouts though. He’s so cool.
Allies of Mr Obama say his weary appearance in the Oval Office with Mr Brown illustrates the strain he is now under, and the president’s surprise at the sheer volume of business that crosses his desk.
A well-connected Washington figure, who is close to members of Mr Obama’s inner circle, expressed concern that Mr Obama had failed so far to “even fake an interest in foreign policy”.
Still throwin’ chaff Carin?
Let’s hear the conservative plan to fix America.
Spending freeze for a year?
It is to laff.
Here’s what’s gonna happen.
Obama is throwing a trillion dollars worth of economic spaghetti against the wall. Some of it will stick.
Enough that we don’t the cataclysmic New Great Depression that you guyz lust after.
And the things that stick will nevah come off, my darling crypto-neanderthal secessionists.
Like National Healthcare.
Welcome to the New Big Welfare State, and its attendent trailing clouds of creeping secularization.
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nishi! Hi! I have to go to Target soon but you’re back. And buttons is back. And maybe kinda sorta psycho is back even. Bam bam bam. It’s like in that movie where everybody goes away and then comes back! I don’t think the Rs are ideologically bankrupt. Not-socialist is the hot new dogma for 2010 I think. Also I can think of lots of ways to market non-ideological. I have to go but nice to see you. It feels like springtime and I hope you have stuff to say.
This is true that nishi was a lot perceptive about really quite a few things during the campaign and all. She and Karl both nailed a lot of things. I guess the embryonic stem cell issue is pretty much off the table now. I was thinking about stem cells today. Here in California just really not that long ago the state borrowed 3 billion dollars to create the Arnold Schwarzenegger Fun Things What You Can Do With Embryos Research Institute & Discount Tire Center. They’re so silly. I think their plan is that they borrowed George Bush dollars and they’re gonna pay it back in Baracky dollars.
Honestly, I know Happy likes nishi, but this makes me vomit a little in my mouth:
Enough that we don’t the cataclysmic New Great Depression that you guyz lust after.
And the things that stick will nevah come off, my darling crypto-neanderthal secessionists.
Like National Healthcare.
Welcome to the New Big Welfare State, and its attendent trailing clouds of creeping secularization.
National healthcare will not happen here. Trying to force National Health down our throats is, in fact, probably the best thing Obama can do for the country. Simply because he’ll get slapped down so hard his head will spin.
It’s a non-starter, more people in this country believe in the right to choose their healthcare than believe that healthcare is a right.
nishi is provocative is all. I never said anything but during alphie’s last incursion I kept thinking that he’d been a lot influenced by nishi and he was trying to get his nishi on and it was sad and cute watching him try to play in her league. Was that just me or did alphie just seem like regular old alphie? I thought he was fancying himself quite the little griefer this time round. Ok. Target Target Target.
British doctors are predicting a damaging brain drain of scientists to the US after President Obama’s move today to lift the Bush Administration’s restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research.
Mr Obama’s decision to overturn the funding ban is aimed at increasing the chance of finding cures for Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s and other afflictions. Yet it also promises to provide a new stream of financial support that could prove tempting for British researchers who are struggling to raise the money they need for their experiments, scientists said.
Mr Obama will sign an executive order lifting Mr Bush’s funding ban. It is controversial with anti-abortion groups because stem cells are harvested from embryos that are destroyed in the process, an act that President Bush said crossed a “moral lineâ€.
Stephen Minger, of King’s College London, a stem-cell scientist who left the US for Britain because of the Government’s more enthusiastic attitude to his research, said that the new American position posed significant challenges for British science.
No, she does the very same thing that Jeff has been calling on all of us to fight against when the media does it. HF, don’t hope for any cocktail party invites from her.
I don’t do cocktail parties……I do raves.
feets is always welcome. he would be dazzled by my UFOs with 32 light stick loops.
feets, this is so awesomesauce…..Sonny has an EP out, and soon an album.
No, she does the very same thing that Jeff has been calling on all of us to fight against when the media does it.
Fight me then.
Let’s rumble.
You’re jus’ gonna get served like always.
If you can’t even takedown an emogrrl like meh, how joo gonna gank the MSM?
jeff, why dont you boot nishi. we dont need lying left wing dirtbags commenting how great obuttcrack is, while we are trying to brain storm our vision to reeducate america. like i said before, be mean and kick her to the curb. she is an idiot and nothing more
I liked this comment thread. It featured Cockpunch and Bonesteel. I think that sounds like a good name for a consulting firm (heh, he said FIRM) for the Democrat party.
I know but she just got back and we didn’t even get to hear about what she’s been up to. I would for serious reiterate that she was one of the most on target people I read in the last election thingy. She’s a gift.
Nishi primary function for me is being a constant reminder of the damage Bill Ayers and the NEA are doing to this country. And as a reminder that the profoundly superficial are a powerful voting bloc.
Yeah, happyfeet, Obama could be taken to be saying that identical twins are “dangerous, profoundly wrong” and “[have] no place in society”. That would just be wrong, wouldn’t it?
I for real don’t get it. People are people no matter how they get here. There’s nothing immoral about recycling someone’s genetics I don’t think. It’s like you just get a bonus people what you made. It’s not like the novelty of making peoples the old way is gonna wear off.
An opinion is the result of logic applied to information. The information is out there. I think we all have seen enough of Nishi’s “logic” to be able to predict her opinion.
Sometimes I think that a huge amount of futurey stuff has happened in my lifetime, sometimes I don’t. It depends on which timestance I happen to be taking when making the judgement. For instance, my father was one of the very early computer programmers, beginning his career in that field at Southland Life Insurance Co in 1954, working with one of the follow-on of the UniVac I series. Then on to General Dynamics in Ft. Worth, then to IBM in DC. He’d take me into his office in DC to see the machines which took up entire rooms with one machine that we can overmatch today in tiny chips you can carry in your pocket. Those old machines cost in the millions of dollars and our tiny chips in the singles of dollars or less. Pretty damn futurey if you had asked me in 1960 what would machines look like in 2009.
I just bought a Rolling Stones song over the internet. That’s kind of futurey. One moment I was lamenting that I didn’t have a copy of “Can’t You Hear me Knocking”, and then next moment – BAM – I had a copy.
The problem with the future is, by definition it never gets here. I go to bed every night thinking, “I can’t wait for tomorrow,” but when I wake up it isn’t tomorrow, it’s just another today.
I would have to disagree about the lack of futurey stuff in our lifetimes. I suppose I get to see more stuff, being in the Army and all – but think of just stuff like the cell phone, GPS, hemastatic bandgages, computers going from room sized and reading punch cards to I-Phones, etc. A Blackberry is even better than the 1960s Trek communicators…
You’re probably right, LTC John. Wireless is neato mosquito. My favorite futurey thing I want is an iPod Touch but I keep thinking I’ll wait for the next version. I just want to be dazzled sometimes though. Nanotech might get there in my lifetime but there again I read that Stephenson book and the real life stuff is probably not gonna be near as cool. Also, robots!
Real life stuff, as it turns out, already is – always was – nanotech. We humans didn’t notice for 60,000 yrs because it’s so damned small we couldn’t see it until now.
Hey, listen: Doc Weasel is a cover band. The guy who runs their site, Kenny, is a 140lb unpaid roadie and all around lackey living at home with mom, posting amateur porn and tugging at his own little doc weasel. If I ever run into him, I’ll break him like a toothpick.
As I said earlier, why the fuck should I be embarrassed about telling people who’ve said some vile things to me that I’d be happy to meet up with them in person, where I’d give them the opportunity to say those same vile things directly to my face. Just before I broke their fucking ankles?
I’ve probably gotten into it with about a half dozen people over the years, some of whom if I ran into them in the street I would beat their ass without hesitation.
jazz bar? shouldn’t that be klezmer?
“[V]ainglorious”? That is a low blow.
prayer, gym, range
I could go for the jazz bar, as long as it some of the good stuff and not that cat-on-a-keyboard crap. Oh, and I could totally go without the vainglorious cock punching. That’s just not cool.
I’m having a homemade margarita, easy on the cockpunch.
Like this?
DON’T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS! SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS, TOFFEE-NOSED, MALODOROUS PERVERT!
Since you’re not listening, what good would it do to let you know that you are no longer remotely humorous since you started taking comedic advice from Patterico?
I am not saying that, I’M JUST ASKING.
This is news? Oy, when did you ever listen? Who wears pajamas to work, we said? Who runs around with a pet armadillo we said? Do you think your Micheal Jackson? Does he listen? Does he listen to us? Is the Pope Muslim? Do bears get Brazilian bikini waxes in the woods? Don’t listen to us! See if we care …
Stuff white people like.
Stuff black people like.
Shouldn’t Obama combine the best of both worlds? How did he fuck this up?
Bring out the holy hand grenade.
One, two, five…Three sir…Three!
If you don’t get #10 I can’t explain it.
A cockpunch is a cocktail made with Hawaiian Punch, yes?
For what it’s worth, Baldilocks said I should just respond to Jeff directly, and I respect her a lot. So I did, here.
I don’t really think it’s anything different than I’ve been saying. But it’s a direct response to him.
OK, a direct response to your points has been posted. Now easy big fella. Prove him wrong on the monkey shit fighting.
Don’t ever change. Change tactics or venue, but not yourself.
The developing trainwreck that is the Obama administration is creating disaster, but also opportunity. If there is a way out of this nightmare, you have a role to play in groping towards it.
GODDAMN BREWERY!
/Beerfest
What is this “polite company” of which you speak?
Well, at least you got the part right about *me* being truly virtuous, Jeff. Thanks …but I am rather surprised that you’d noticed.
Uh, what?
A direct response back.
Performed after 3 dirty martinis and some other shit I had here at the house.
OUTALW!
I think we should call them “Vichy conservatives” in the name of greater accuracy.
Frankly, nearly all who have joined the clique were already on my “life isn’t long enough to waste time reading this moron” list.
Ah, sorry, this is supposed to be a Jeff-bashing thread, isn’t it?
Well, okay, Jeff, let me introduce you to my little friend: Gillette Fusion. Shave, dude, the 70’s were a long time ago and you weren’t a porn star then.
“Jeff is a…glorious…assassin who…lies…among us…to destroy…a firm cock…â€
There’s taking people out of context, and there’s making shit up out of whole cloth…
Pour me another glass of that cockpunch, you wanker.
Fuck all moderates and political pussies. Bunch of Pussies who let in the communist with all their fucking understanding and moderation. Fuck moderates to hell. I can at least respect the left for taking a stand but moderats are….”waaaaa I can’t make up my fucking mind…I JUST DON’T KNOW.”
McCain “waaaa I want to run a fucking honorable campaign so I can sleep at night” fucker gave away the country to a communist, so he could sleep well at night. Well thank you very much asshole McCain.
The definition of honor does not include giving away your country to a maniac so you can look yourself in the mirror.
I want Obama to fail.
ok, this is enough.
the net is big enough for frey and goldstein.
the conservative movement is big enough for you two.
Bottom line is some stupid crap got said: Frey shouldnt have called out Jeff on the new direction he is trying to take things, made fun of the site and money; Jeff was out of line bringing up the Jew shit. I dont think of gauleiters and trains to the east when I read Frey’s blog.
the right needs both views about now. Frey has done wonderful stuff–we all owe him a round of drinks for the Greenwald stuff alone–and Jeff is right about the new direction conservative thinking and rhetoric needs to move. he might be the guy to get the wagons moving. I bet he is.
you started this rebellion, jeff, now finish it. outlaw!!!! we have to stop being nice. sometimes you have to get mean. plumb downright snake spitting mean. its what the dems do. and we need leaders that will call a spade a spade, not pussy foot around trying to be collegial. we need leaders that are not afraid to stand up for conservative values. to defend and fight for them. i’m with you jeff. outlaw
Hot Air had Patterico explain his point, but why not have Jeff do a post too?
Missed opportunity.
They used to have big bowls of cockpunch during political campaigns.
Right at the polling place, even!
Joe@27
We should all write Vap’n Ed and Allah and remind them that there are teo sides to every argument, and that by having Patterico state his side they are essentially compelled, in the name of both intellectual honesty, free speech, and real fairness, to have Jeff G present his side as well…
I’ve sent my note to tips@hotair.com
I would suggest that all of the PW regulars do the same…
And, by the way,
I’ve been attending spottily over the last few days due to personal duties and the travails of a freshly torn rotator cuff, on two axes. Did anyone actually say this tripe about Jeff G? Because in my opinion nothing could be further removed from reality…
Be someone.
Do something.
Pick one.
I want Obama to FAIL.
Full Stop, no comma, no paren, no semi, no if, and or but.
27 Comment by Joe on 3/8 @ 8:41 am
Lucky me. I have a rarely-used HotAir login.
Objectivist Superhero?
Outlaw.
I posted a Jeff Comment at Hot Air. I am sure Allah and Ed are quite aware of this dispute already. Let’s see if they have a set and post Jeff’s side of it.
Two observations on the whole situation.
First, I think that Jeff, Patterico, and Allahpundit should get together somewhere, have a couple of cold ones, and work it out. I figure that they would probably come out of it with everyone happy, but if that didn’t work, Jeff could always just jerk a couple of knots into various parts of their anatomies. I’d pay for the video of that one.
Second, I think that while they are settling their own differences, the rest of us need to descend en-mass on Frum, and jerk knots in various parts of his anatomy. He’s the one who needs to be dogstomped.
Life was simpler when I was a lad. Words had meanings and everybody understood them. These days, not so much.
Compromise with liberals (there’s a word that doesn’t mean what it used to mean) is like petting a rabid weasel. Nothing good can come of it. You’re going to get hurt. It will be your fault. As the intelligent player in this transaction, you know what will happen.
Why make it hard on yourself. If you’re into pain, you can always put your hand into a running garbage disposal. When it heals, you’ll have a permanent reminder not to do anything stupid.
I don’t need to hope Obama fails. I know he is failing. I’m just watching and hoping that he doesn’t take me down with him. A lot of people are going to get hurt for a long time before this gets cleaned up. I’ve already had my Jimmy Carter years and now I get a do over.
Little Mr. Conservative
I recognize it is easy to turn someone like this into a characture, but there is something refreshing about this too.
Oy, Bob, hope that shoulder is on its way to repair and further that it won’t stop your well grounded postings, we’re gonna need you man.
Thanks for the good wishes Sdferr!
It has actually been bothering me for nearly 2 months, but as an old D-lineman I tried to simply shake it off as a tweak or perhaps developing arthritis…
Finally though, the impaired mobility, and the wife’s entreaties, convinced me to see a sawbones and get an MRI. You can imagine my surprise when I recieved his diagnosis!
So, I’m engaged in some therapy sessions in the hopes of avoiding any surgical response. Although I realize that arthroscopy is a highly developed technique, and minimally invasive, I have a rather simplistic view that outside of catastrophic injuries or system failure, the wonderful machines that are our bodies will often repair themselves…
Thanks again for the well wishes, and you better believe that I’m on board; I’m down with the struggle, man!
Best Wishes
I’d rather a 1500 comment thread on where do we go from here, as long as it doesn’t evolve or get hijacked into a discussion Buffy Musical. NTTATWWT really, but not the place or time.
Or shorter. What do Twitter, Facebook and Google Groups mean to me and my political life?
Oh, and for the record…
I hope Obama fails!
Outlaw!
Wall Street is weak and jittery, rejecting the vague and laconic courtship of Timothy Geithner. G.M. is verging on bankruptcy, and A.I.G. should be. Americans are confused and fretful. President Obama admitted in his Times interview that the United States is not winning the war in Afghanistan, even as he denied — and then called back 90 minutes later to really deny — that he’s a socialist.
Let’s face it: The only bracing symbol of American strength right now is the image of Michelle Obama’s sculpted biceps. Her husband urges bold action, but it is Michelle who looks as though she could easily wind up and punch out Rush Limbaugh, Bernie Madoff and all the corporate creeps who ripped off America.
In the taxi, when I asked David Brooks about her amazing arms, he indicated it was time for her to cover up. “She’s made her point,†he said. “Now she should put away Thunder and Lightning.â€
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/opinion/08dowd.html
Speaking of cockpunches, that was a wicked nutbuster that Jardine delivered to Rapage oin the second round last night.
I hope you mean “Rampage.”
Ah yes, wise man. RaMpage took a monster shin to the jewels.
While on the subject of cockpunches, Matt Brown delivered one of the biggest UFC cockslappings ever last night.
Wall Street isn’t weak and jittery. It is reacting sanely and responsibly to the environment it has lived within and in explicit accordance with the rules by which the US market has been defined for literally decades.
All the debt – based investment vehicles are still legal. All the beyond – the – pale, we only make money when companies fail, insanely convoluted and computer model enabled three shell monte games are still the law of the marketplace.
All the ways that companies pay off congressmen are still operative, too, via PACs, bundling, and kickbacks that don’t get exposed.
The market isn’t the problem. Not the part that takes capital in return for goods, services, and a reasonable RISK that the investment of that capital will return a profit for the investor.
What is broken is the parasitic relationship of our government to the governed. Economic stress – well, catastrophe – is just a minor component of the true disaster befalling us. Pick a social issue and analyze the contemporary of impact of government on the target and then consider what the existing trend means for the future of the issue. Go ahead, pick one. Race? Family? Education? Welfare? Environmentalism?
We recovered from the last Great Depression in spite of the good intentioned meddling of Best and Brightest alumni. It took a world war and eight years longer than it should have.
In 2009 we are a a nation bereft of competent government, saddled with the baggage of fifty years of chowder headed Leftism. Our executive is staffed by the kids who used to hang out in the dark corners of the commons and smoke dope, while the Congress is become the road cast for “Tammany Hall – The Revival”.
Obama is aiming to destroy a system he hates but has never understood. He confuses tactics with strategy, as demagogues and charlatans always do. The familiar faces of the Clinton administration have been pulled out of their sinecures for their usefulness as human shields. Their familiar faces – their “known quantities” aren’t there in the halls of power because of their talent or potential for contributing to to any agenda. They are layers of apparent normalcy that are intended to deflect criticism (with the earnest and committed aid of legacy media) and slow the rise of actual resistance as long as possible.
I don’t want Obama to “fail” becuase that is his prime objective. He intends to fail catastrophically; at least, that’s what it will look like to anybody who thought that guarding individual liberty or the Constitutional duties of the office had shit to do with the program. Obama certainly does understand the market but only to the extent that the market functions as a largely free exchange of ideas, goods, and services, and that the utopic vision that has been Obama’s life objective is impossible while it exists.
Mr. Obama knows his limitations. Wiser heads must follow the revolution… but his goal as revolutionary will be realized by the destruction of the establishment. Job security? Make old Joe Biden VP. Nobody in the senate wants Joe in charge of anything more complex than parking stall assignments… but the money men in Delaware are gold in the bank with their bought man down the hall from the real power.
Hillary Clinton as VP? The media invested twenty fucking years packaging her as the Smartest Woman On The Planet. What are they going to do now? Go after her demonstrated lack of competence via the Russians, Hamas, etc? Shit, like they are going to point out that the articulate black guy might just be a communist.
Fuck it.
Got Ammo? I do.
Mendacious…
It’s a word used heavily in Jeff’s past writings, that Patterico should reacquaint himself with. The opposition is far beyond intellectual dishonesty and ignorance. They are using language as a weapon, and “being careful” instead of challenging them gives them a heavy hand up in the debate, or better yet for them, stifles the debate.
What Rush and Jeff understand explicitly is that conservative politicians must first understand and vigorously challenge the false premises of the left. And in this court, the judge (media) has been bought-off by the mob…
Shucks.
“Pick a social issue and analyze the contemporary of impact of government on the target and then consider what the existing trend means for the future of the issue.”
That’s what I meant to say.
No shucks TmjUtah, that was stunningly good stuff right there. Thanks.
Cockpunch. Ha ha ha. That’s a funny word.
preshone – ’round here, we prefer mendoucheous.
Huh. My comment disappeared. Weird.
I swear, this has never happened to me before. nervous laugh. Apparently it doesn’t like links today? 2006 poll.
I swear, this has never happened to me before. nervous laugh. Apparently it doesn’t like links today? 2006 poll.
And now double posts of a comment I only sent twice.
Something’s wacky.
once. duh. I’m going to work out. Tell me everything will be normal when I return …
Mendoucheous is as fine of a word that has ever been created, and it can be justly attributed to Senor Collins.
It is okay for them to wish failure, Carin. They have good intentions.
It’s different when a Democrat wants a president to fail. They’re chock full of nuance.
You know, somehow I forgot to add fuck Murtha, too.
Obama is nuance like a kick in the teeth is an attempt to get your attention.
Jeff, you are a horrible person.
Nice one TMJ. I suspect you want Obambi to fail, too.
Silver –
(from above, with a minor tweak) “I don’t want Obama to “fail†becuase that is his prime objective. He intends to fail catastrophically; at least, that’s what it will look like to anybody who thought that guarding individual liberty or the Constitutional duties of the office had shit to do with the program. Obama certainly does understand (one thing about) the market: (as long as) the market functions as a largely free exchange of ideas, goods, and services, (then) the utopic vision that has been Obama’s life objective is impossible while it exists.”
Markets mean competition, which means winners and losers. Smart business creates more of the former than the latter. But Social Justice demands equality of outcome. Hence, competition bad.
Winners REAL bad.
Fucking winners. They must pay! So, make the majority of taxpayers non-payers. And since winners are BAD, take away the new non-taxpayers’ liberty and tell them that they are now Better People.
And send the ones that ask questions to the camps.
Dammit. I usually feel MUCH better after Tmj’ Awesome Waffles. Not today.
Off to clean up stuff. With only one day a week for me I can’t spend too much time sitting down.
No matter how worthwhile it is.
According to that NYT interview with The One, he isn’t a socialist. No, really. And in case you didn’t believe him, he phoned back to reiterate. Why don’t I believe him?
Pfft. Obama is doing the old “kick the dog until it bites, then shoot him” trick. The dog hasn’t a choice about biting or not, but he has control over when he chooses to do it.
Silver Whistle: I meant to put this in a previous thread, but the blog had moved on by then.
I’m sorry for Our Dear Leader’s disrespect toward Churchill.
Mr. Churchill is one of my personal heroes.
I’m deeply ashamed.
Okay, wait. Is this supposed to be a bad thing? What has polite company ever done for Jeff?
45. Comment by TmjUtah on 3/8 @ 10:53 am #
well said and expresses most of my thoughts as to O’s goals.
46. Comment by phreshone on 3/8 @ 10:55 am #
A better analogy might be that the
judge and jury = the american people
defendant = capitalist based, free market economy
state = obama and other marxist/socialist radicals
prosecutor = major left/liberal spokes people
defense = major conservative spokes people
court recorder = mainstream media
Imagine a courtroom where the arguments presentED by the contending positions were not heard directly by the judge/jury but were filtered through the court recorder.(and the court recorder is a member of the prosecution)
This is more congruent to the situation we have today.
Few conservatives/capitalists have been able to absorb this concept sufficiently to react quickly and correctly to the assaults on our freedom by those of the other side and their willing partners the mainstream media.
John McCain and other republicans still can’t wrap their heads around the FACT that the media has fully become a partner in the destruction of the economic system of this country. They still have the mental construct within that has the media as being a 3rd force in politics in this country (albeit a biased one). They see the media as having generally played an anti-government/anti-tyranny, communications outlet for those who are vehemently against whatever government policies/actions have been enacted that they feel impacts them in the negative but that more or less presents both sides reasonably well.
THIS IS NO LONGER TRUE!
The media has, enmass, decided to openly become a full fledged partner of the leftist/liberal/socialist movement in this country. They aim to have EVERY liberal/socialist policy enacted in this country so that america can take it’s place alongside the European states (those they have praised for so many years).
What’s different about now than before? simple, they’re growing old! Soon they will no longer be able to command the controls of the media organs in this country and the opportunity presented itself in the form of an affirmative action minority having attained a position to lead the democrat party with a relatively clean background (with their help) was too good to pass up.
Having gotten this person elected, they cannot turn aside now. To do so would be to admit to themselves and each other that the policies that they have so assiduously championed over the years are wrong and will lead to the destruction of this country. (many of them have this as their goal)
Some are self-deluded and are just useful idiots and fellow travelers and some actually see the destruction of the economic system as necessary for the fundamental changes they wish to see made.
To speak in moderation in the face of utter stupidity or blatant antagonism is folly! YOU CANNOT PERSUADE FANATICS/ZEALOTS OF THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS! (That’s kind of the definition of fanatic/zealot you know.)
Anyone who speaks of moderation and are concerned about the “undecideds” being put off by truth labeled as hyperbole is fighting the wrong battle. While those moderates are speaking moderately, the zealots will be taking them out to be shot. (metaphorically speaking {so far})
This assault on Rush is NOT to disguise the O’s inept actions. THIS ASSAULT ON RUSH IS TO GET THE REPUBLICANS SNIPING AT EACH OTHER OVER NUANCE AND THE PARTY’S “DIRECTION” INSTEAD OF ATTACKING THE TREASONOUS ACTIONS OF THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS!
(outlaw since 2004)
The phone back is only done when second thoughts creep in that the lie didn’t stick well the first time. It’s like semantic duct tape. It may make it stick but it’s a shabby, temporary fix.
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Fuck polite company.
Couple things. First, if you’re twittering, don’t forget to use the #OUTLAW hash.
Second,
Google Group set up: HERE.
Send an email to “lostmycookies at gmail dot com” to join up.
Dude…you nevah learn.
This is memetic warfare, and you’re goin’ guerillero?
Let’s check your armament.
You have a throwing stick and some rocks….that would be talk radio….and now you are going to use Twitter? lol.
You have an elegant and anchronistic vacumn tube mainframe……that would be semiotics……but you need Uzis and AK-47s.
You need the memetic equivalent of this.
And let’s face it…you badly need some sort of gypsyhook to get the marks back into the tent.
You need viral marketing and ARGs.
Where does that shit come from in a party that ideologically bankrupt?
Let’s say you get the guns, but what’s your ammo, dude?
Oh, god. It’s back.
And as clueless as ever.
And it’s eaten a Bonesteel.
“If you kill him, he won’t learn nothin’…”
— The Riddler
You have a throwing stick and some rocks….that would be talk radio….and now you are going to use Twitter? lol.
Actually, I’m going to use Twitter. Jeff is going to tag mailboxes with a paint pen or whatever it is that people say Jeff is doing, saying or thinking. But the point is we aren’t doing what you think we should be doing. Hell, I’m not even doing what Jeff thinks I should be doing. Jeff, I think, is taking care of himself.
Sure was fucking exciting when President Dinkins had a Twitter conversation with a bunch of Silicon Valley washouts though. He’s so cool.
Is there any actual twittering on the outlaw account yet? I only saw the first message
#OUTLAW
Here you go cranky.
If this Outlaw business is like the Outlaw Country movement, does this make Jeff, David Allan Coe and Patterico is Kris Kristofferson?
Where does that shit come from in a party that ideologically bankrupt?
Let’s say you get the guns, but what’s your ammo, dude?
How’s that stem cell stuff coming? Oh, and the deficit?
Viral marketing brought us teh One.
Allies of Mr Obama say his weary appearance in the Oval Office with Mr Brown illustrates the strain he is now under, and the president’s surprise at the sheer volume of business that crosses his desk.
A well-connected Washington figure, who is close to members of Mr Obama’s inner circle, expressed concern that Mr Obama had failed so far to “even fake an interest in foreign policy”.
First jobs are TOUGH.
Still throwin’ chaff Carin?
Let’s hear the conservative plan to fix America.
Spending freeze for a year?
It is to laff.
Here’s what’s gonna happen.
Obama is throwing a trillion dollars worth of economic spaghetti against the wall.
Some of it will stick.
Enough that we don’t the cataclysmic New Great Depression that you guyz lust after.
And the things that stick will nevah come off, my darling crypto-neanderthal secessionists.
Like National Healthcare.
Welcome to the New Big Welfare State, and its attendent trailing clouds of creeping secularization.
Like
nishi! Hi! I have to go to Target soon but you’re back. And buttons is back. And maybe kinda sorta psycho is back even. Bam bam bam. It’s like in that movie where everybody goes away and then comes back! I don’t think the Rs are ideologically bankrupt. Not-socialist is the hot new dogma for 2010 I think. Also I can think of lots of ways to market non-ideological. I have to go but nice to see you. It feels like springtime and I hope you have stuff to say.
This is true that nishi was a lot perceptive about really quite a few things during the campaign and all. She and Karl both nailed a lot of things. I guess the embryonic stem cell issue is pretty much off the table now. I was thinking about stem cells today. Here in California just really not that long ago the state borrowed 3 billion dollars to create the Arnold Schwarzenegger Fun Things What You Can Do With Embryos Research Institute & Discount Tire Center. They’re so silly. I think their plan is that they borrowed George Bush dollars and they’re gonna pay it back in Baracky dollars.
You know what though? nishi – you never really had a whole lot to say about economics. This is new. I will be back later and read up.
Yea, I like how Nishi just skips right over the stem cell thing. Did he break your heart?
Honestly, I know Happy likes nishi, but this makes me vomit a little in my mouth:
Enough that we don’t the cataclysmic New Great Depression that you guyz lust after.
And the things that stick will nevah come off, my darling crypto-neanderthal secessionists.
Like National Healthcare.
Welcome to the New Big Welfare State, and its attendent trailing clouds of creeping secularization.
National healthcare will not happen here. Trying to force National Health down our throats is, in fact, probably the best thing Obama can do for the country. Simply because he’ll get slapped down so hard his head will spin.
It’s a non-starter, more people in this country believe in the right to choose their healthcare than believe that healthcare is a right.
…and they’re right.
nishi is provocative is all. I never said anything but during alphie’s last incursion I kept thinking that he’d been a lot influenced by nishi and he was trying to get his nishi on and it was sad and cute watching him try to play in her league. Was that just me or did alphie just seem like regular old alphie? I thought he was fancying himself quite the little griefer this time round. Ok. Target Target Target.
Liar. Fuck off, Nishi.
OUTLAW!
I guess they do have some sort of rotation schedule after all.
Carin….you are even more delusional than i remember….
Why would i be upset that we are getting a bunch of topdrawer ESC researchers coming into this country?
No, she does the very same thing that Jeff has been calling on all of us to fight against when the media does it. HF, don’t hope for any cocktail party invites from her.
Maybe, McGehee. But she does it better than anyone else.
I don’t do cocktail parties……I do raves.
feets is always welcome. he would be dazzled by my UFOs with 32 light stick loops.
feets, this is so awesomesauce…..Sonny has an EP out, and soon an album.
Fight me then.
Let’s rumble.
You’re jus’ gonna get served like always.
If you can’t even takedown an emogrrl like meh, how joo gonna gank the MSM?
So, a particularly foul fart is good ‘cuz it stinks way worse than the rest?
Been there, done that, nishi. As interlocutors go, I’ve seen 3 year olds throw more incisive tantrums.
Blow me.
haha, c’mon OUTLAWS!
can’t even fight a grrl, lol.
iwasrightiwasrightiwasrightiwasright
sweetness
iwasrightiwasrightiwasrightiwasright
About what? That your boogers taste like chicken?
NISHI IN THE HAAAHICE!!
100!
I’m a simplistic twat with daddy issues. Hug me, please.
Game, set, match.
Oh, now I see what happyfeet is on about.
That is awesome stuff right there…
Single tear Jeff.
my darling crypto-neanderthal secessionists
Well, bust my buttons.
jeff, why dont you boot nishi. we dont need lying left wing dirtbags commenting how great obuttcrack is, while we are trying to brain storm our vision to reeducate america. like i said before, be mean and kick her to the curb. she is an idiot and nothing more
Read 102 again, marc t.
oh! i forgot to say… outlaw
you the man, jeff….outlaw
I liked this comment thread. It featured Cockpunch and Bonesteel. I think that sounds like a good name for a consulting firm (heh, he said FIRM) for the Democrat party.
I feel like I’ve missed something here.
Cockpunch, Blender, and Bonesteel, LLC.
Because somebody OWES you!
You banned nishi?
it ain’t the first time, happyfeet.
I know but she just got back and we didn’t even get to hear about what she’s been up to. I would for serious reiterate that she was one of the most on target people I read in the last election thingy. She’s a gift.
I like my new Sonny. Hah! This is me on drums. What he needs to do is get himself to Japan I think.
You banned nishi?
We’ve got Joe now hf.
Nishi primary function for me is being a constant reminder of the damage Bill Ayers and the NEA are doing to this country. And as a reminder that the profoundly superficial are a powerful voting bloc.
That’s what e-mail is for. Or in her case I suppose Twitter.
For those who are interested in what she’s been up to. I gather that’s not most of us.
You can’t stay in your corner of the Forest waiting for others to come to you. You have to go to them sometimes. That’s all nishi is doing I think.
See now we don’t get to hear what nishi thinks about the Drudge thing he’s headlinging here. He’s a big weirdo and a bigot. Clones are people too I think.
oh. *headlining* I meant. And my link didn’t work. And “he” means Baracky not Mr. Drudge.
Yeah, happyfeet, Obama could be taken to be saying that identical twins are “dangerous, profoundly wrong” and “[have] no place in society”. That would just be wrong, wouldn’t it?
That would be a reasonable interpretation, Sdferr.
What? Just sayin’…
I for real don’t get it. People are people no matter how they get here. There’s nothing immoral about recycling someone’s genetics I don’t think. It’s like you just get a bonus people what you made. It’s not like the novelty of making peoples the old way is gonna wear off.
I think it’s kinda creepy, Happy, and I’ve been a fan of science fiction long enough to know it always ends badly.
An opinion is the result of logic applied to information. The information is out there. I think we all have seen enough of Nishi’s “logic” to be able to predict her opinion.
I think I just like it cause it’s so futurey. Not as much futurey stuff has happened so far in my life as I was hoping.
I say we back flying cars over clones.
I want a transporter. LIke they had on Star Trek.
Sometimes I think that a huge amount of futurey stuff has happened in my lifetime, sometimes I don’t. It depends on which timestance I happen to be taking when making the judgement. For instance, my father was one of the very early computer programmers, beginning his career in that field at Southland Life Insurance Co in 1954, working with one of the follow-on of the UniVac I series. Then on to General Dynamics in Ft. Worth, then to IBM in DC. He’d take me into his office in DC to see the machines which took up entire rooms with one machine that we can overmatch today in tiny chips you can carry in your pocket. Those old machines cost in the millions of dollars and our tiny chips in the singles of dollars or less. Pretty damn futurey if you had asked me in 1960 what would machines look like in 2009.
You’re cloning yourself hf, aren’t you?
I just bought a Rolling Stones song over the internet. That’s kind of futurey. One moment I was lamenting that I didn’t have a copy of “Can’t You Hear me Knocking”, and then next moment – BAM – I had a copy.
Well, if ever we were to clone someone, I’d recommend Happyfeet, because certainly the world could use another. But what if Nishi cloned herself?
See, we won’t be given the option of whether or not we WANT another such person. Another Michael Moore. Another Nancy Pelosi?
I don’t think there’s any danger of Nancy Pelosi being cloned. I believe there needs to be at least 1 ppm of moisture in the tissue samples.
The problem with the future is, by definition it never gets here. I go to bed every night thinking, “I can’t wait for tomorrow,” but when I wake up it isn’t tomorrow, it’s just another today.
Pisses me off.
hf,
I would have to disagree about the lack of futurey stuff in our lifetimes. I suppose I get to see more stuff, being in the Army and all – but think of just stuff like the cell phone, GPS, hemastatic bandgages, computers going from room sized and reading punch cards to I-Phones, etc. A Blackberry is even better than the 1960s Trek communicators…
Don’t forget whitening strips. No excuses now.
You’re probably right, LTC John. Wireless is neato mosquito. My favorite futurey thing I want is an iPod Touch but I keep thinking I’ll wait for the next version. I just want to be dazzled sometimes though. Nanotech might get there in my lifetime but there again I read that Stephenson book and the real life stuff is probably not gonna be near as cool. Also, robots!
Cloning is one of those things where even if it went terribly wrong it would probably go terribly wrong in a pretty cool way.
Real life stuff, as it turns out, already is – always was – nanotech. We humans didn’t notice for 60,000 yrs because it’s so damned small we couldn’t see it until now.
Which is why Erwin Schroedinger’s book “What is Life?” is one of the great books.
I like that way of looking at it.
Well, that, and it’s really short. Short books are often great books, I think.
Pablo suggested I post this again:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
From: Jeff Goldstein: Arguing “On Point” — With Threats of Violence.
Thanks to Pablo for the suggestion. It’s a good one. Sorta makes it clear who wrote this post.