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Are We There Yet? Are We There Yet? Are We There Yet? [Dan Collins]

Hunting, traditionally done by men, required a “co-ordinating” ability to track animals accurately while on the move. A “categorical” spatial awareness was better suited to foraging for fruit, roots or berries, a job mainly carried out by women.

“Women tend to be more aware than men of objects around them, including those that seem irrelevant to the current task, whereas men out-perform women in navigation tasks,” the scientists told PNAS.

“Men tend to solve navigation tasks by using orientation-based strategies involving distance concepts and cardinal directions, whereas women tend to base their activities on remembering the location of landmarks and relative directions, such as ‘left from’, or ‘to the right of’.”

Give me the map. Return what you have misread.
Also via Maggie’s Farm.

36 Replies to “Are We There Yet? Are We There Yet? Are We There Yet? [Dan Collins]”

  1. happyfeet says:

    I don’t have no navigation or object awareness skillz I don’t think and GPS is confusing. Bread crumbs, Dan. It’s the future.

  2. Bob Reed says:

    …the University of California Irvine, and colleagues asked 10 men and 10 women to judge the beauty of artists paintings and photographs of urban and rural landscapes.”

    So the study group consisted of 20 people, out of 6.75 billion…

    I’d say the debate is over!

  3. Sdferr says:

    That’s a lot of homos Bob, compared to generating an entire subspecies of hominids on the basis of three extant crania, I think. See homo sapiens idaltu.

    Still, I wonder where were the homos for this study, who far from queering things up, might help straighten out the evidence?

  4. happyfeet says:

    Speaking of no direction…

    I think there’s ambiguity in the word ‘nationalization.’*

    Who talks like that? No one. What a useless cooze, this Sheila Bair.

  5. pdbuttons says:

    her body language is telling me “left..left”
    but her head-if i could find it-would not agree

  6. Sdferr says:

    hey, pdbuttons, long time no see! welcome back.

  7. happyfeet says:

    Hi Mr. buttons! You were gone and you were a lot missed. You are back now for a good while I hope cause there’s things what need commentings.

  8. mojo says:

    That’s not news. Women use landmarks, men go by distance/direction. Duh.

    Oh, and the reason men don’t like to stop and ask directions?

    ‘Cause for, like, a half-million years, asking directions from strangers was a pretty reliable way of getting dead.

  9. pdbuttons says:

    thanks-you might not want to welcome me back cuz- you see-
    I’m a…a…victim now/ on the fringe
    but hey-if you need directions to the unemployment office
    me?-i just click my heels

  10. happyfeet says:

    direction!

    “Sustainable and organic farmers are excited … that someone who has been associated with these issues her whole career is going to be at that level in the department,” said Ferd Hoefner of the National Sustainable Agriculture Coalition.*

    Organic farmers are excited. Okey dokey.

    oh. Sorry, buttons. Hang in there. There’s reason to think the economy will get better some day. The organic farmers are sure fired up. That’s a bellwether in Baracky’s America I think.

  11. comatus says:

    They can never prove the “Man hunt” thing. Anthropology was founded by Regency-period homosexuals who imported their misogyny. The “science” has never thought to examine itself on this. Suppositions of genetic sexism, all the goofiness about man-bonding and exclusivity, are based on this faulty assumption.

    Human culture did not begin with a clan in a cave. It started with a woman and a man hunting together. Even today, there is nothing better.

  12. Silver Whistle says:

    me?-i just click my heels

    Three times, and say “There’s no place like home”.

    Welcome back, buttons.

  13. B Moe says:

    Human culture did not begin with a clan in a cave. It started with a woman and a man hunting together. Even today, there is nothing better.

    I can’t remember back that far, I guess I will have to take your word for it.

    I have developed a new theory that men have more facial hair than women, but I need some grant money to fully study it. You think I can get me some of that stimulus?

  14. JD says:

    BMoe has apparently never seen a picture of Amanda Marcotte or Rosie O’Lard.

  15. happyfeet says:

    Human culture began after dinner I think.

  16. B Moe says:

    BMoe has apparently never seen a picture of Amanda Marcotte or Rosie O’Lard.

    Now that you mention it, old Rosie in a world with out restaurants could probably out hunt most dogs.

  17. JD says:

    I was thinking of the facial hair, BMoe, but you make an excellent point.

  18. happyfeet says:

    It’s PÄ…czki Day in Chicago and some other places. “Traditionally, the reason for making pÄ…czki was to use up all the lard, sugar, eggs and fruit in the house, which are forbidden during Lent.” They are “yummy, naughty, and decadent” is what this says.

    I’ve never had a paczi I don’t think. I fried a little debbie strawberry shortcake roll the other day and ated it. That was very tasty, and not a little naughty.

  19. JD says:

    I would like to take credit for suggesting that happyfeet deep fat fry a little debbie cake.

  20. Roland THTG says:

    Comment by happyfeet on 2/24 @ 11:24 am #

    It’s Pączki Day in Chicago and some other places.

    I had me summat stuff. Not as good as titties and beads.

  21. Bod says:

    Same kind of tradition in the UK, ‘feet. “Pancake Day” or Shrove Tuesday. Use up all the stuff before you sin. Even Little Debbie loves pancakes.

    Yeah, they *look* like French crepes, but I promise – they’re different.

  22. JD says:

    I am going to Chicago tonight, and will dine with Major John tomorrow. We will not be eating paczki’s. We will be dining on copious amounts of dead cow, horseradish mashed potatoes, and MJ on single-malt.

    Oops, make that LtC John.

  23. Mikey NTH says:

    Red Green: Why Men Don’t Ask For Directions –

    Primarily, it’s a pride thing: we’re out there in our own vehicles, burning gas, got the sunglasses on, looking good. People seeing us going by would have no idea where we are. And we’re not really excited about sharing that information. A man does not embrace the concept of going up to total strangers and saying, “You may not know this, but I’m a moron,” whereas the woman he’s with is only too happy to share that information. I think that helps ease her burden a little. See, to a woman, getting lost on a trip is just a blameless act of nature. But to a man, it’s a sign of personal failure. He knew where he was when left; he doesn’t know where he is now. Somewhere along the way, he crossed the line between the world he knows and the world he doesn’t know. And that’s exactly how he felt about when he got married, and when he had kids. So if he admits he’s lost in his car, he’s gonna have to admit he’s lost in those other areas as well. That’s way too much to ask. So just sit there, bite your tongue, circle the block a couple of times. Men aren’t lost, they just take the long way.

  24. Mikey NTH says:

    #10 haps:

    Of course they’re excited! They know quality bull-squash when they meet it.

  25. Mikey NTH says:

    haps – a paczki is a jelly donut.
    Basically.
    Very yummy.

  26. happyfeet says:

    Props to JD, absolutely. I don’t Lent cause I’m Lutheran. If I were to Lent something this year it would have to be… oh. I really just don’t Lent I think. I guess I could give up paczkis and jelly donuts both. And various canned meat products. And no more Diet Ironbeer for me. Or Quiznos.

  27. Dan Collins says:

    Mikey, you’re thinking of JFK.

  28. dicentra says:

    Primarily, it’s a pride thing: we’re out there in our own vehicles, burning gas, got the sunglasses on, looking good.

    It’s not just the pride of Navigation Skills, it’s also the Pride of Making Good Time. My brother obsesses over finding the quickest path to any given destination: not the quickest by MapQuest, but the quickest in terms of avoiding traffic and stop lights.

    I’ve also found that when I give directions to men, they do better when I say: “Head south on I-15 until you get to the 7200 South exit. At the base of the ramp, head east.”

    With women, tell them to go down the freeway until they see the big American flag. Take that exit, then turn left and drive straight until you get to the Walgreens.”

    Me, I prefer to GET the man-style directions. In Utah, the streets are perfectly Cartesian (like a game of Battleship), so I’d rather know the absolute direction and the street number than something vague like “turn right just before you get to the strip mall.”

  29. it’s also the Pride of Making Good Time.

    oh yes, that’s one of my favorite phrases I learned after marrying RTO. “We don’t have a good time, we make good time.”

  30. Sdferr says:

    It is a great and good thing that the women commenters at pw aren’t in general of the “Men. Can’t live with them, can’t lose them in the woods.” school of thought. We thanks you for your patience ladies.

  31. Mikey NTH says:

    Oh, yeah – making good time is very important. And no unnecessary stops either, we are pushing on through.

  32. geoffb says:

    But, but, the giant ball of string!

    Channeling “National Lampoon’s Vacation”.

  33. Mikey NTH says:

    I once had a law school classmate who lost Dearborn on the Southfield Freeway. Those big buildings with the signs that said “Ford” weren’t enough for her. Nor were the signs that said ‘Dearborn – next 5 Exits’, or ‘Ford Rd.’.

  34. Y-not says:

    “Women tend to be more aware than men of objects around them, including those that seem irrelevant to the current task, whereas men out-perform women in navigation tasks,” the scientists told PNAS.

    Gee, all that biology going for him and my husband still can’t find the hamper.

    ;-)

    (He’s just about perfect in every other way, however, so I happily pick up his dirty socks.)

  35. Spiny Norman says:

    Ooh! A Time Bandits reference. How cool is that?

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