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The Enduring Power of Stupid [Dan Collins]

From Warner Todd Huston at Stop the ACLU:

And, naturally, Dougherty pretended it wasn’t his fault that the story was appearing in his newspaper.

I want to be very clear on this: I have from the beginning and do now consider the conspiracy theories about Trig’s birth to be nutty nonsense.

If that’s true, why has Lisa Demer been asking questions about Trig’s birth?

Because we have been amazed by the widespread and enduring quality of these rumors. I finally decided, after watching this go on unabated for months, to let a reporter try to do a story about the “conspiracy theory that would not die” and, possibly, report the facts of Trig’s birth thoroughly enough to kill the nonsense once and for all.

Sure, he is only reporting that other people are still talking about this idiotic conspiracy theory.

Next week, Dougherty plans to run a long expose on how other people are still saying the world is flat, followed by a story that other people are claiming the Holocaust didn’t really happen, but these are only after he finishes his in-depth and highly intellectual story that other people are claiming the moon landing never happened. Not that he is continuing the discussion on these crazy, idiotic conspiracy theories, of course.

190 Replies to “The Enduring Power of Stupid [Dan Collins]”

  1. MAJ (P) John says:

    You could included Tim Blair’s “The Plastic Turkey Meme That Wouldn’t Die”.

  2. Dan Collins says:

    Major John, that one’s not biodegradable. There are so many we could add that it seems best to leave it alone.

  3. Ric Locke says:

    The Plastic Turkey isn’t biodegradable, but it’s small and relatively simple, so it might be possible to analyze it as a psychosocial phenomenon. The turkey wasn’t fake. We have circumstantial evidence in the form of messhall common practice, not just military but any large-group feeding system, and we have (thanks to Blair’s commenters) direct testimony from the fellow running the mess hall at the time.

    It was, however, not meant to be eaten, and having sat on the shelf above the steam tables for most of the day was probably too dried out to be edible, so it was “artificial” in that sense, and monky/alphie/actus/parsnip can argue with some logic that in this context “plastic” is merely a synonym for “artificial”. If that is the case, the basic argument — that Bush was cruelly taunting the soldiers with something he had that they weren’t permitted to share — stands, and “plastic turkey” is simply a paraphrase.

    That is as far as the Leftoids can understand the situation, and the fact that the troops didn’t rise up and smite the offender is a continual puzzlement to them. Now, Bush was taunting the soldiers, but was doing so as a “black” joke based on possibly the oldest unresolvable dichotomy associated with military service: you can be comfortable and lack the ammo to survive the war, or you can have enough ammo to win but have to live rough. Properly framed, it’s the basis of a good joke in any military context. Having it come from the Commander in Chief in terms that make it clear that he understands is roll-on-the-floor material. The Leftoids cannot understand that because the tools necessary for understanding aren’t present in their worldview. They thus fall back on the simplistic version, and the meme endures. Nuance, y’know.

    Regards,
    Ric

  4. Dan Collins says:

    Bush said that the thing he would miss most was being CiC. The lefties will read whatever they want into that, but I think that the simple fact is he enjoyed working with people who do their jobs competently.

  5. donald says:

    I assume that during Mrs. Palin’s pregnancy that there was daily press coverage on her by this newspaper. I assume that there was and is an assigned beat reporter to Mrs. Palin and/or the governors office. I mean, if I was running a serious newspaper in a specific state I would. And I assume that there was a noticiable change in the physical appearance of Mrs. Palin, during this specific time period, and I assume there was even a story or two. I ain’t even gonna bother with looking it up, because if there were’nt then they aren’t doing their job. Todd Palin needs to bop over to that paper and kick Mr. Dougherty’s ass up and down whatever the main thoroughfare is in Anchorage. Then they can run another story, hopefully complete with pictures of Mr. Dougherty, before and after. And for any pussy who doesn’t think he should, you don’t have a fucking penis. Unless you’re a chick and then if you’re preaching this bullshit, you need your tittie’s twisted. Painfully.

  6. donald says:

    Just sayin.

  7. Mossberg500 says:

    enduring quality of these rumors

    Rumor quality? Spoken like a true intellectual.

  8. mcgruder says:

    I do not believe that any person in so-called mainstream media has behaved more revoltingly and with less honor than Andrew Sullivan has in respect to this Trig Palin issue. he has crossed a line that warrants his dismissal from his job at the Atlantic.

    he is less than.

  9. Sdferr says:

    Salim Hamdan was released from custody by the Yemeni authorities yesterday. Wow, thanks SCOTUS! Justice well done!

  10. McGehee says:

    Anchorage used to be a two-newspaper town, and like another McClatchy stronghold I could name (hey Lisa, you lurking?), the wrong newspaper survived.

  11. Spiny Norman says:

    McGehee,

    The loony left in LA thinks the “wrong newspaper” survived, too, even though the LA Times is completely on their side.

    I saved a copy of the last issue of the Herald-Examiner, for grins and giggles. By the time of its demise, it had descended into left-wing political “Weekly World News” tabloid silliness. Sully would have felt at home there.

  12. Froederick Kennewick says:

    Ric,

    You would be correct if the mess hall hadn’t roasted up a bunch of other turkeys. One of the traditions on holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas that have giant feed bags laid on, is that the officers will serve the enlisted, to include carving up roasted turkeys, steamship rounds, or whatever else has been cooked. As soon as one is fully served, a new one will be plopped down – the troops weren’t eating reheated turkey loaf. Whether the turkey the President carried was eaten is irrelevant, it was an example of what was being served, therefore there was neither artificiality, nor taunting nor plasticity, nor black jokes.

    That the meme endures is simply a byproduct of leftoid ignorance of the military, and their bitter clinging to their misbeliefs.

  13. Spiny Norman says:

    Interesting bit from the H-E Wiki link:

    On December 15, 1967, Herald Examiner employees began a strike that lasted almost a decade and resulted in at least $15 million in losses. At the time of the labor strife, the paper’s circulation was about 721,000 daily and it had 2,000 employees. The strike ended in March, 1977, with circulation having dropped to about 330,000 and the number of employees to 700. Many veteran reporters left and never returned. As circulation went into free-fall, advertisers were reluctant to use it, and the unions campaigned effectively to its working-class readership, urging them to cancel subscriptions.

    The union held a gun to its own head, saying in effect, “Do as we say or we’ll pull the trigger!”. The average readers and advertisers said, “Hey, go right ahead”.

    And then BLAMMO!

  14. assclown says:

    So you are left with two choices :
    1. Trig isn’t Sarah’s baby
    2. Sarah Palin was incredibly reckless in the days/hours before Trig’s birth. She put him in danger for no reason other than she wanted to give birth in some backwoods hospital. Stupid as shit.

    Which one of these two choices are you wingnuts more comfortable with? For myself, #1 casts Ole’ Sarah in a better light.

  15. oh, you’re a doctor now? or did Phil Graham tell you that?

  16. Dan Collins says:

    I’m sure you have the same feeling about lefties who use midwives, right, assclown?

  17. B Moe says:

    It is comforting to know we now have choices over the truth.

  18. assclown says:

    Has nothing to do with midwives. Has to do with Sarah Palin. Try again.

  19. ushie says:

    assclown, you idiot. I know for sure you’re not a woman, because you have NO idea how women behave in regard to their pregnancies. Governor Palin knew exactly what her body and her baby needed. This is one issue where, if you have a penis, you need to keep your yap shut.

  20. Has to do with Sarah Palin

    riiiiight, Mr. “False dichotomy” try again.

  21. assclown says:

    Bite me, ushie. It doesn’t take a vagina to know what is safe for an unborn baby. Fucking jackass.

  22. assclown says:

    Yip Yip, maggie!

  23. assclown says:

    who’s the good girl! you are!

  24. Dan Collins says:

    Your disingenuity is showing, classpwn.

  25. again, you gonna show us your diploma?

  26. yip! yip! keep begging me!

  27. is your partner just not doing it for ya anymore? poor Phil.

  28. Rusty says:

    The ass has beclowned himself. If you even had a girlfriend you wouldn’t have posted that.

  29. ha ha, no, assclown knowns stuff. sooper sekrit stuff.

  30. Darleen says:

    I saved a copy of the last issue of the Herald-Examiner,

    Spiny

    My dad worked for the Examiner right up to the point they merged with the Herald. To this day he can give you chapter and verse on what a boneheaded move it was and that he knew it would spell the eventual end of the paper.

  31. Darleen says:

    assclown believes it knows better than Gov. Palin’s own OB, who saw no danger in her flying home.

    Wonder how many pregnancies assclown has had.

  32. assclown says:

    The idea that Palin was reckless isn’t exactly controversial. At least among sane people. If you read anything other than wingnut echo chambers, you might understand this. It isn’t my job to convince you, just to mock your proud ignorance.

  33. assclown says:

    I guess it would go against the “Palin, Warrior Princess” idolatry, though. So sad.

  34. #

    just to mock your proud ignorance

    BWAH HA HA HA HAAaaaaaa. PHIL GRAHAM1!!

  35. Dan Collins says:

    Her flying home landed on Hillary.

  36. assclown says:

    Your facts are wrong, idiots. Her doctor isn’t an OB. Palin never asked permission to fly, she just did it.

    http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html

    Hey, a link! Maggie, you HAVE been a good girl!

  37. Dan Collins says:

    Which is why she should have taken medical advice from assclown and Sully.

    I’m just going to start referring to egregious lefty trolls as assclowns. You are now an internet noun.

  38. Darleen says:

    assclown doesn’t read his own link, but why should that bother an assclown who obviously is more informed than the attending MD?

  39. B Moe says:

    — she consulted with her doctor, family physician Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who is based in the Valley and has delivered lots of babies, including Piper, Palin’s 7-year-old.

    Palin kept in close contact with Baldwin-Johnson. The contractions slowed to one or two an hour, “which is not active labor,” the doctor said.

    “Things were already settling down when she talked to me,” Baldwin-Johnson said. Palin did not ask for a medical OK to fly, the doctor said.

    “I don’t think it was unreasonable for her to continue to travel back,” Baldwin-Johnson said.

    I see why you are so reluctant to link, assclown.

  40. ushie says:

    Sooo…her FEMALE obs-gyn and Gov. Palin were in contact and her FEMALE obs-gyn said it was ok, what Palin did.

    Please assclown, you’re being a bigger assclown than the situation warrants. Settle back, breather deeply, and wait for a different topic–one that doesn’t involves uterii–to come up.

  41. assclown says:

    The link did nothing to contradict what I said. The fact that you quoted the part that proves I’m right show just how awfully stupid you are.

    Baldwin is a family doc, not an ob gyn, check. Baldwin didn’t ok her flight, check. In any case, who cares if she is an ob gyn or not it just proves you fuckwits claim shit you don’t know.

  42. assclown says:

    And the thought that only women can decide on unborn children is fucking utterly laughable coming from pw.com. I mean, seriously? The irony is so thick I need waders. Nevermind, that’s bullshit.

  43. you don’t actually read much here, do you?

  44. assclown says:

    Oh, and I assume ushie doesn’t believe male OB Gyns are reputable. You stupid shrew. Sexist!

  45. Pablo says:

    So you are left with two choices :
    1. Trig isn’t Sarah’s baby
    2. Sarah Palin was incredibly reckless in the days/hours before Trig’s birth. She put him in danger for no reason other than she wanted to give birth in some backwoods hospital. Stupid as shit.

    You forgot one:

    3. Assclown is a fucking nitwit.

  46. Dan Collins says:

    assclown, please go find the post where we recommend outlawing abortion. Then please tell us why, if it’s a private concern of the woman only, men who are not even the biological father should be forced to pay child support. After that, we’ll have a nice discussion about choices.

  47. Darleen says:

    assie is continuing in Sully-stick-fingers-in-ears-and-be-profane-with-people-who-don’t-buy-yer-shit-dumbglutes style.

  48. parsnip says:

    So Bristol and Levi didn’t get married.

    Why did Sarah Palin lie to America?

  49. assclown says:

    Well, I guess I’ll go ahead and claim victory since nobody has refuted any of my points. Thanks, morons. Sarah Palin is either reckless with an unborn child’s life, a baldfaced liar, or both. Kudos on your choice of hero! It fits quite nicely.

  50. Pablo says:

    Which one of these two choices are you wingnuts more comfortable with? For myself, #1 casts Ole’ Sarah in a better light.

    I sort of like that one because it means that Sarah palin made sure her daughter wasn’t punished with her grandchild by raising it herself, whereas Barack Obama would make sure his daughter wasn’t punished with his grandchild by having it killed.

    Of course, Tripp gets in the way of all that, but as long as we’re going to delve into idiocy, we might as well try to drag some wisdom out of it.

  51. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    you don’t actually read much here, do you?

    Of course it doesn’t.

    Since it has absolutely nothing to contribute (and it knows it), it’s determined to wreck the conversation for everyone else.

    That makes it feel important, and allows it to forget about the utter failure that it is in real life for a while.

    It’s a sad little spoiled child.

    Yo, assclown: at the end of the day, we all still have lives, families, and meaningful jobs.

    You have none of those, nor will you ever.

    Enjoy your shit-stirring, loser.

  52. Dan Collins says:

    Arguing with you is a little like playing Don’t Break the Ice with a blind man.

  53. Dan Collins says:

    With a sledge hammer.

  54. Bob Reed says:

    Comment by parsnip on 1/11 @ 1:42 pm #

    So Bristol and Levi didn’t get married.

    Why did Sarah Palin lie to America?”

    Parsnip, until you answer the question posed to you a long time ago, you don’t get to pose any in the same form…

    I ask you the question others here have asked; Why did Obama lie to America?

    Best Wishes

  55. B Moe says:

    To recoup, this all started here:

    32 Comment by assclown on 1/11 @ 1:11 pm #

    The idea that Palin was reckless isn’t exactly controversial. At least among sane people. If you read anything other than wingnut echo chambers, you might understand this.

    The Doctor stated, according to assclown’s link:

    “I don’t think it was unreasonable for her to continue to travel back,” Baldwin-Johnson said.

    To which assclown responds:

    Well, I guess I’ll go ahead and claim victory since nobody has refuted any of my points.

    Once again proving Dan Collin’s post title genius.

  56. Sarah Palin is either reckless with an unborn child’s life

    BECAUSE THE OB-BYN FROM SACRAMENTO HAS PRONOUNCED IT POSSIBLE!!! I mean, it’s not like a woman that’s already had four kids would know anything about pregnancy.

  57. Pablo says:

    Bite me, ushie. It doesn’t take a vagina to know what is safe for an unborn baby.

    True dat. Abortion is unsafe for an unborn baby. Flying, not so much.

    I’d like to thank you, assclown, for showing up on a thread entitled “The Enduring Power of Stupid”. It just fits. It’s like you belong here.

  58. parsnip says:

    What are you saying, Bob?

    That Sarah Palin used her daughter, her daughter’s baby daddy and her unborn grandkid for political reasons?

    What a pity such a fine human being didn’t get elected.

  59. Dan Collins says:

    Gee, and here I thought those fundie bastards were all about forcing them to get married right away, before they’re out of high school and all that.

    Please show me where Palin said they were on a timetable, snippy. You know, a link.

  60. Dan Collins says:

    God, you people are horrible debaters.

  61. Dan Collins says:

    No, I mean snippy and assclown. It’s embarrassing. I’m supposed to be taking care of Jeff’s place.

  62. Pablo says:

    What are you saying, Bob?

    That Sarah Palin used her daughter, her daughter’s baby daddy and her unborn grandkid for political reasons?

    No, snippy. Bob didn’t say that. Bob said: “Why did Obama lie?”

    I know you’re stupid and not too good at comprehending, so I’m here to help.

  63. I know… it’s just they imagine us saying such interesting things…

    ;D

    I’d switch to more cat blogging in the mean time. might motivate Jeff a bit more, as well. hee hee.

  64. geoffb says:

    This was to be about Dougherty but our local troll has shown he belongs too.

    Ignorance can be cured unless it is willful. Stupid goes to the bone and is forever. One or the other is what Dougherty is displaying, proudly.

  65. parsnip says:

    Please show me where Palin said they were on a timetable, snippy.

    So it was kinda like when Bush said he’d catch bin Laden?

    We just sorta wrongly assumed it would be sooner rather than later?

  66. Dan Collins says:

    Yeah, but he might rip my arms off. I’ve heard it makes typing difficult.

  67. We just sorta wrongly assumed it would be sooner rather than later?

    apparently so

  68. B Moe says:

    I assumed it would be after Bristol graduated, like they have said a million times.

  69. argh, WP doesn’t like Huffpo links?

  70. ushie says:

    Ok, Snippy and assclown, even though you’re “arguing” about 2 different things, both of you grab a calendar. Any will do.

    assclown, the gestation of a full-term baby is closer to 10 months than 9. Go backwards from TRIPP’s birth. How many months is that? Was TRIG already born? Then your first point is stupid and wrong.

    Snippy, go back anywhere on your calendar and tell me upon which day a couple should get married. GO ahead, now. By etiquette or legality or whatever, what’s the date for any random couple to be married? Any couple, not related to you? Any couple, say, in Alaska? What? there is no official wedding date for couples? How extraordinary.

    As regards your second point, assclown, air travel doesn’t cause Downs syndrome. Unless it’s air travel undertaken in the Bizarro universe, and you’re already talking all kinds of crazy, so maybe that’s where you’re from, in which case I’m so sorry.

  71. Darleen says:

    maggie

    I guess “summer wedding” means something different in rootveggie’s/assie’s alternative reality.

  72. thor says:

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/11 @ 1:42 pm #

    Yo, assclown: at the end of the day, we all still have lives, families, and meaningful jobs.

    You have none of those, nor will you ever.

    You’ve repeated this line enough times I’m beginning to think you actually believe it, which makes me chuckle, at you, in long bouts.

    Nuclear pods of Steppford redumblicans roaming around in expressionless Devo robot jerks.

  73. Darleen says:

    ushie

    you know, in going through geneology records it is interesting to note that can easily find a couple who married after the date of their eldest child’s birth.

    funny how the amoral Leftcultists have hissy fits when their cartoon straw-conservatives don’t act according to their own stereotype.

  74. parsnip says:

    Easy there, ushie.

    Nobody wants Sarah Palin to run for president in 2012 more than me.

    Except maybe Barack Hussein Obama.

  75. thor says:

    Palin’s kids will be in need of updated wardrobes by 2012. She’s in.

  76. Dan Collins says:

    All of which goes to show that it’s important that the Anchorage paper pursue this crucial story.

  77. Pablo says:

    Easy there, ushie.

    Nobody wants Sarah Palin to run for president in 2012 more than me.

    Great! Now why don’t you answer her question?

  78. parsnip says:

    tell me upon which day a couple should get married

    Probably before their baby is born.

  79. Probably before their baby is born.

    why?

  80. thor says:

    The only thing that would surprise me is if Bristol Palin married her sister.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  81. ushie says:

    Oh, parsnip, parsnip. You’re so…Victorian…in your social outlook.

  82. Pablo says:

    parsnip must be one of those evangelical Christians.

  83. donald says:

    Osama Bin Laden has been dead for a real long time. Thanks George Bush.

  84. Techie says:

    Don’t feed the trolls.

  85. Rob Crawford says:

    Have we gotten an answer on why Obama lied to America?

  86. daleyrocks says:

    Assclown may not have a vagina, but he’s certainly got a MANGINA. What a fucking whiner!

  87. daleyrocks says:

    C’mon maggie and ushie, make assclown feel a little more ignorant about being pregnant and birthing babies. I want the the full Butterfly McQueen routine!

  88. assclown says:

    So much willful ignorance here it boggles the mind.

    “assclown, the gestation of a full-term baby is closer to 10 months than 9.”

    What. The. Fuck. You are an idiot. It might be 9.5 months, depending on how you count it, but it certainly isn’t “closer to 10 months”. Also, you are an idiot.

    “As regards your second point, assclown, air travel doesn’t cause Downs syndrome. ”

    No shit. But you know what does? Old mothers.

    Let me paint you a picture. You are an older mother-to-be on her 5th kid. Your water breaks in Texas. Do you jump on a plane and take an 11 hour plane ride or do you go to a hospital since you can deliver at any time? If you say the former, I think you are a fucking liar.

    I think it is telling that her doc claims to NOT have been asked if it was safe to fly after her water broke. I find that hard to believe. Palin didn’t just call her doctor to chat. The doctor denies being asked because IT WOULD BE RECKLESS TO FLY 11 HOURS IN THAT CONDITION WITH A HIGH RISK PREGNANCY. The doctor knows this and won’t say she gave the go ahead. There is a big difference between “I said it was ok” and “it is reasonable”. Weasel words.

  89. Dan Collins says:

    Amazing that you don’t make such a stink about the willful ignorance of those who claim Trig is Bristol’s baby.

  90. Sdferr says:

    This ex-post facto posturing kind of reminds me of the golfer who misses an easy two foot putt and then demands that he be credited with one less stroke than he’s already actually accrued since in theory he certainly wouldn’t ordinarily miss a two foot putt.

  91. B Moe says:

    Did you even bother to read the actual post up there, assclown? You know, the one linking to and quoting the fucking Anchorage Daily News?

  92. irongrampa says:

    Dan, fwiw, I think you’re doing a fine job, caretaking Jeff’s blog.
    I commend you for allowing these butt-bags like thor, and alphie/parsnip/assclown to exercise their freedom of speech here.
    Must seem at times to be a hair shirt sorta thing, I’d guess.

  93. Dan Collins says:

    Thanks, irongrampa. Honestly, most of the time it doesn’t bother me at all. Sometimes, I’m even puzzled by how little it bothers me.

  94. Sdferr says:

    Like Phlogiston, for instance, or maybe Caloric, so little it bothers You Dan?

  95. Sdferr says:

    Oy, I must be thinking about globes or something, what with all that errant capitalization…..

  96. Dan Collins says:

    God, Phlogiston? Now that drives me nuts.

  97. daleyrocks says:

    It’s nice of assclown to reinforce the title of this post. I wonder if he wants to provide further assistance and delve into the matter of rape kits in Wassila.

  98. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    I’m still interested in that secret Palin time machine.

    You remember, the one that allows her to ban books that haven’t even been published yet.

  99. Darleen says:

    Dr. Assclown believes that “leaking amniotic fluid” is the same as “water breaking”

    Um…no.

  100. Darleen says:

    http://en.allexperts.com/q/ObGyn-Pregnancy-issues-1007/amniotic-fluid-leak.htm

    Hysterical assie has zip experience with pregnancies…and I dare say with any vagina except the one he slipped out of.

  101. Darleen says:

    Goodness, assie, where is your degree? How many babies have you delivered? How many pregnancies have you had? How many OB/GYN’s have you had discussions with?

    Please, where is your expertise that leaking of amniotic fluid well before the due date and without clear signs of labor is “imminent” child birth? Or the exact same thing as the rupture of the amniotic membranes with a gushing of water during labor?

    Better call up your mommy and beg her for the details of your birth.

  102. B Moe says:

    I didn’t believe there could possibly be anyone stupider than parsnip, but by God assclown is going to give it a go.

  103. Darleen says:

    assie

    you don’t get it. I don’t have to show “normal” actions for Gov. Palin. She and her doctor made their decisions based on the circumstances of her case. You’ve shrieked hysterically about things you have no clue about and have not proved she at anytime put herself or Trig – successfully delivered and healthy – at any unnecessary risk.

    Though, it is amusing to watch the Leftcult try to make Gov Palin “unfit” when they are also condemning her for not aborting the Down’s kid in the first place.

    Come on, assie, how many OB/GYN’s have you personally talked with?

  104. Pablo says:

    So far, Darleen has provided nothing to show how totally normal Sarah’s actions were.

    Well, let’s see. Sarah went home and had her baby in a very normal fashion, without incident.

    What else you got, asshat?

  105. Sdferr says:

    Still arguing with the pin dancing fairies in your head? Carry on.

  106. Pablo says:

    Hysterical assie has zip experience with pregnancies…and I dare say with any vagina except the one he slipped out of.

    You’re too kind, Darleen. I suspect assclown might be an asshole baby.

  107. Darleen says:

    I’d rather read the opinions of doctors on the internet

    Because “doctors” on the ‘nets know so much about Gov. Palin’s case.

    Oh, btw, any doctor on the net that claims to diagnosis without any access to med records skates close (if not crosses) that ethical line into “passer-by diagnosis”.

    sad little assie, go talk to your mommy.

  108. Darleen says:

    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/leaking-amniotic-fluid.html

    Sometimes when there is a small tear in the amniotic sac, it may heal itself over a period of time and the leaking may simply stop of its own accord.
    ——–

    Yes, assie, absolutely no difference between PROM and SROM, leaking and gushing, labor or false labor…

    OMIGAWD PALIN WASN’T IN LABOR, SHE WAS IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH HER DOCTOR, SHE HAD AN UNINVENTFUL DELIVERY AND TRIG WAS HEALTHY BUT I HAVE TO SCREAM ABOUT HER ANYWAY CUZ SHE’S JUST A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE INAUTHENTIC WOMAN!!!!ELEVENTY!!!

  109. Pablo says:

    If you or your wife had a gush of fluid in Texas knowing you possibly had a Down’s kid,

    Well, if I were a proper lefty, I’d fly to Kansas and see Dr. Tiller to have it killed. Aside from that, what’s Downs got to do with it? BTW, it wasn’t “possibly”. The Palins knew Trig was Downs.

  110. Darleen says:

    had a gush of fluid

    when you start with an error of fact, everything that follows is false.

  111. Sdferr says:

    Just how many of those little buggers do fit a dancing on the head of that pin in your head there?

  112. Pablo says:

    You are kidding right?

    Yes. Because I’m talking to a rabid, hateful fool. That always puts me in a playful mood.

  113. Pablo says:

    Still think it was just all hunky dory?

    Do you think it wasn’t? Because it was. Ipso facto.

    The Enduring Power of Stupid

    I do believe I love this thread. Thanks, Dan.

  114. B Moe says:

    I think that the majority of obstetricians…

    Do understand the concept of a majority, assclown? It is different from unanimous, and means that some obstetricians would advise differently.

    Do you think it was a coincidence she delivered 23 or whatever hours after the leak?

    No more of a coincidence than Palin thinking she had plenty of time to get home and delivery the child in comfortable circumstances and being perfectly correct.

  115. Pablo says:

    I’d get on the mysterious indeterminate plane, asshole. And then I’d pray to a vengeful God, because that always works.

    END OF THREAD!!!!

  116. B Moe says:

    It just isn’t registering with you that Palin made it home in plenty of time to have the baby, is it? I guess hind sight isn’t 20/20 if you are an assclown.

  117. Pablo says:

    Bottom line – the sack is ruptured, your kid is now at risk as are you.

    Because when you’re leaking amniotic fluid, you might as well be dying.

    END OF THREAD!!!

  118. Pablo says:

    You know what? It’s a goddamn shame that this kid died. Stupid Ugandans.

    END OF THREAD!!!

  119. Sdferr says:

    What was that thingie a while back about reality based somethin’ or other? Where reality based had to do with fairies and pins and dancing and the like?

  120. Sdferr says:

    Oh, so you really did make that putt that you missed there, is that it?

  121. Dan Collins says:

    Barack, I said, you don’t want to get mixed up in any land deals with Tony Rezko. Barack, I said, are you sure that you really want to back Hot Rod for governor?
    Barack, I said, don’t you think it might be a problem on the national stage to have a race-baiting pastor?
    Bill Richardson? What’s with that?

    Did he listen to me? The boy is reckless.

  122. Pablo says:

    You will twist logic around until you finally end up with – “hey, it turned out ok so FUCK YOU!” So sad.

    You must have missed the part where you’re trying to turn a perfectly calm, natural birth into child abuse/endangerment. Because of the logic.

    END OF THREAD!!!

  123. Pablo says:

    Oh, I forgot to say FUCK YOU! But then, I really wasn’t thinking that, so I’m not sure I was required to say it.

    END OF THREAD!!!

  124. B Moe says:

    Results don’t matter.

  125. Sdferr says:

    It’s all in how you keep the score I guess B Moe.

  126. B Moe says:

    You should claim you are the King of the World. That would be frickin’ cool.

  127. Pablo says:

    the medical consensus that what Sarah did was reckless.

    Is that the same as the BUSH LIED!! consensus, or is it more like the AGW consensus?

  128. Darleen says:

    do hate people who would hold Palin up as some uber-woman for putting her unborn child at risk

    More amusing stuff from Leftcultists who never fail to lecture the rest of us rubes that A Womyn’s decisions about Hyr Own Body(tm) are sacrosanct.

  129. Pablo says:

    I’m gonna go check the Daily Dish. Because I can handle the truth!!!

  130. Darleen says:

    Assie’s “majority of ob’s” and “medical consensus” is from the same school as the Gorical’s AGW-the debate is OVAH- ‘scientists’

    I betcha

  131. thor says:

    I trust cynn’s opinion. cynn, if your ladybox is gushing like an axe wound, do you jump on a plane or go to the hospital?

  132. Jay says:

    Wow! 2 links in a day from Dan! Thank you again!

  133. assclown says:

    “Assie’s “majority of ob’s” and “medical consensus” is from the same school as the Gorical’s AGW-the debate is OVAH- ’scientists’

    I betcha”

    You’ll never know because you didn’t check. Your female intuition tells you all you need to know about Palin, Princess Warrior. And it feelz reel guud!

  134. assclown says:

    It is similar to AGW, Darleen. You are an idiot savant. If it just “feels wrong” to you, it must be. All that fancy learnin’ is just tricks by those elite people from colleges. Thank goodness you’ll never have to sully your mind with facts or knowledge.

  135. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Funny how these folks who think that young Trig should’ve had his skull punctured with a pair of scissors and his brain vacuumed out are oh-so-concerned about his mom flying while leaking a little amniotic fluid.

  136. C’mon maggie and ushie, make assclown feel a little more ignorant about being pregnant and birthing babies. I want the the full Butterfly McQueen routine!

    oh, I don’t know nothin’ bout birthin’ babies.

  137. Darleen says:

    assie

    I don’t do passer-by diagnosis, that seems to be your gig. Certainly the unethical mess of it is certainly in line with your hysterical amorality.

  138. daleyrocks says:

    Is assclown Andrew Sullivan? Could that explain his total cluelessness about human reproduction? He seems as clueless, just not as shrill and over the top.

  139. Sigmund Schadenfreude says:

    So now, in addition to being an expert on politics, psychology, and the Mycroft effin’ Holmes of the left, assclown in now a fully qualified, and wikipedia liscenced, OB-GYN!

    Is there no limit to the knowledge that the googl-acle can provide you? Are there no bounds to your wikipedia expertise?

    I do know that your gall and lack of shame is unbounded!

  140. daleyrocks says:

    Thanks maggie. Better late than never.

  141. Are there no bounds to your wikipedia expertise?

    there are! as of yet, he has been unable to tell us who Phil Graham is and why this Mr. Graham is responsible for the terrible economy.

  142. Thanks maggie. Better late than never.

    sorry, I had rehearsal.

  143. Bob Reed says:

    Hmmmmmmm…

    assclown…RAWMUSCLGLUTES..!

    You might be onto something daleyrocks…

  144. geoffb says:

    Andrew Sullivan’S clown. Sockpuppet being already taken by Gleen.

    The Everly Brothers fits.

    Don’t want his lo-o-o-o-ove anymore.
    Don’t want his ki-i-i-i-isses, that’s for sure.
    He dies each time
    He hears this sound:
    “Here he co-o-o-o-omes. That’s Andy’s clown.”

    He’s gotta stand tall.
    You know a man can’t crawl.
    But he knows when he tells lies
    And we hear ’em all the time,
    He’s not a man at all.

    Don’t want his lo-o-o-o-ove anymore.
    Don’t want his ki-i-i-i-isses, that’s for sure.
    He dies each time
    He hears this sound:
    “Here he co-o-o-o-omes. That’s Andy’s clown.”

    When you see him shed a tear
    And you know it’s not sincere,
    Don’tcha think it’s kinda sad
    That he’s acting oh so bad,
    But why would Andy care?

    Don’t want his lo-o-o-o-ove anymore.
    Don’t want his ki-i-i-i-isses, that’s for sure.
    He dies each time
    He hears this sound:
    “Here he co-o-o-o-omes. That’s Andy’s clown.
    That’s Andy’s clown.
    That’s Andy’s clown.”

  145. Pablo says:

    Are you blind, assclown? Or is that pure stupid?

  146. donald says:

    Well now, I think this important thing we’ve established here is that Mrs. Palin did indeed birth Trig. I would now hope that Assclown, Parsnip, and Thor would run on over to FDL, KOS, and Gay boy’s sites and spread the word. They got CRED over there you know.

  147. donald says:

    Cause they’re thinkers and all. I believe we can now deem this thread a success.

  148. Carin says:

    The stupid it burns. Leak or gush (PROM), the baby isn’t in IMMINENT DANGER. Many women have a total gush, and don’t start labor for several hours if not the next day or so. Someone’s watched too many Hollywood versions of labor.

    BTW, my water has broken with two of my 5 deliveries. Neither time was I in labor. The first time I needed to be induced to get labor going (and the second was a section, so who knows. )

    Of course, the exception is when your water breaks during labor, but this obviously wasn’t the case.

  149. Sigmund Schadenfreude says:

    Ah yes, assclown is the wishful dilletante that the internet makes an expert on anything!

  150. DarthRove says:

    I asked Dr. Mrs. DarthRove.

    The doctor.

    The board-certified, emergency medicine specialist, honest-to-goodness practicing-for-15-years and-has-had-a-real-live-baby from-her-real-live-vagina doctor.

    After describing the situation, her response was, “Fmeh, whatever.”

    Feel free to bring Teh Outrage!!!!11!!111!!

  151. Bob Reed says:

    B-B-But DarthRove…

    Dr. MrsDarthRove’s assessment flies in the face of assclowns wiki-knowledge!1!!1!!eleventy

    How can that be? How can a mere 15 years professional experience, as well as direct personal experience, outweigh that gained by skimming an internet essay..?

    I mean, with knowledge like that, assclown may sit on your state’s liscencing board!

  152. Carin says:

    nd “imminent danger” isn’t the standard that determines if someone should go to the hospital. A woman on her 5th kid who ruptures her membranes will usually go into labor and deliver in a matter of hours. Fact.

    And yet … she didn’t! FACT. HOW could that possibly be?

    And, I wrote PROM, because I meant PROM. I was unaware she was preterm. Basically because the whole Trig Fetish is simply bizarre.

    Regardless, she was leaking slowly. You are aware, yes, that amniotic fluid is replenished, yes? There have been women who had a slow leak for months.

  153. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    You are aware, yes, that amniotic fluid is replenished, yes?

    I seem to recall that a big portion of it is urine, once the baby’s kidneys start working.

    I could be wrong, though. Unlike the Trig Truther brigade, I’m not an ob-gyne.

  154. Pablo says:

    Sayeth assclown: “A woman on her 5th kid who ruptures her membranes will usually go into labor and deliver in a matter of hours. Fact.

    Linketh assclown:

    Because most PPROM pregnancies deliver within a week of ROM, transfer of the pregnant mother to a qualified facility is urgent and should be facilitated immediately upon diagnoses.

    The vast majority of women proceed to active labor and deliver soon after PPROM. With appropriate therapy and conservative management, approximately 50% of all remaining pregnancies deliver each subsequent week after PPROM. Thus, very few women remain pregnant more than 3-4 weeks after PPROM. This is important information to give the woman considering expectant management remote from viability.1

    The Enduring Power of Stupid

  155. Bob Reed says:

    Well Pablo, at least that kid has his stick-to-it-ness going for him/her…

    But, alas, sticking with stupidity and closed minded-ness is no way to go through life…

  156. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    50% of all remaining pregnancies deliver each subsequent week after PPROM.

    Oooh! Flashback to Calculus I!

    We are given that the half-life is 1 week (168 hours), so

    N(t) = N0(0.5)^(t/168)

    If we set N0 to 1 (100% will still be pregnant at time 0), we get:

    N(t) = (0.5)^(t/168)

    Let’s say we have a three hour flight.

    We get:

    N(t) = (0.5)^(3/168) = 0.988

    98.8% of the women will still be pregnant after the flight.

  157. Carin says:

    I was told there would be no math on this blog.

  158. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Think of PW as a first-rate university education without the tuition, Carin. :-)

  159. Carin says:

    REally, what’s the knowledge and experience of an actual DOCTOR compared to someone with madd google skillz.

  160. DarthRove says:

    Yeah, ‘coz they don’t know anything about what’s, like, an EMERGENCY or not.

    So, what’s the proper paddle voltage you use to shock a flatline, chuckles?

  161. DarthRove says:

    Only idiots.

  162. DarthRove says:

    And just to stop you googling, it’s a trick question. You don’t shock a flatline. Flatline = dead. Despite what you see on TV.

  163. DarthRove says:

    So what was your bad ER experience? You went in for a bad cold and got ticked that the antibiotics you demanded they prescribe despite the fact they won’t work didn’t work right away?

  164. DarthRove says:

    I know you are, but what am I?

  165. Pablo says:

    It clearly states the “vast majority” deliver “soon after PPROM”.

    Yeah, like “within a week.” Not, as you stated to be FACT, a matter of hours.

    For THE REST, your algorithm might hold true.

    And by “my algorithm”, you mean the article that YOU linked to. Gotcha.

  166. Pablo says:

    I think it is telling you chose to omit the part I included above.

    I think you’re a fucking moron who ought to read the first sentence of the second paragraph I quoted, because it’s the part you seem to think I “chose to omit”.

    The Enduring Power of Stupid

  167. Sdferr says:

    Still trying to make that putt you missed? Wow. Actual outcomes won’t do. Must. Have. Fairies.

  168. Carin says:

    Personally, after giving birth to four kids, getting ready to have my fifth, I would have been not upset at all to give birth on a plane. For the vast majority of births, the OB doc just catches anyway.

    Regarding the facts – has it been determined that it was a rupture or merely a leak? What do the facts support? It is claimed to be a leak, and thus all your mad google skillz are for naught, because she didn’t have PPROM.

    In addition, exactly what WEEK of development did she deliver? It states the baby was a month early, but PPROM isn’t that first “P” unless it’s before 37 weeks, which is awfully close to a month early. AFter that 37 mark, it’s merely PROM.

  169. Carin says:

    If I had a small leak? I would go home. Fact. If I was past 37 week mark, I would be ok having a baby w/o a doctor present, as would many other sensible women in this country who realize how doctors and hospitals have over-medicalized the entire L & D experience. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that Sarah was of a similar mindset.

  170. Dan Collins says:

    PRAM? Try zapping it.

  171. DarthRove says:

    Ooooh, Zing. Ouch.

    I should rely on wiki and gooooogle I guess. Screw that whole “able to converse intelligently with people what know a whole lot more about me in certain disciplines” thing.

  172. Dan Collins says:

    Who’s blocking your comments?

  173. Sdferr says:

    Fairies Dan, fairies.

  174. Carin says:

    There most certainly is a difference. My sister’s friend leaked from her second trimester on. I’ve had a leak, and I’ve had a complete rupture. If you think there’s no difference, well then it’s a shame you were there to help me clean up the rupture.

    95% will start labor w/in 24 hrs— yea, so wha?. Labor- for even women on their fifth – takes several hours.

    I’m not twisting anything, and you have no clue regarding my ideas on birthing, because this isn’t a birthing board.

  175. Pablo says:

    Someone is awfully concerned about the Palin vagina and it’s healthy output. Obsessed, you might say.

    I wonder why.

  176. Pablo says:

    I’ve had a leak, and I’ve had a complete rupture. If you think there’s no difference, well then it’s a shame you were there to help me clean up the rupture.

    Yeah, yeah, Carin. Assclown has Google and all you have is 5 kids! And Google. What do you know about pregnancy, labor and delivery? :-P

  177. Carin says:

    Yea, I suppose it’s time for me to post my mea culpa….

  178. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    she didn’t have PPROM

    So she didn’t even have the condition that, if she had had it, would’ve produced a whopping 1.2% chance of going into labor on the flight?

    Assmaggot’s taking a severe beating here.

  179. thor says:

    #

    Comment by Pablo on 1/12 @ 1:00 pm #

    Someone is awfully concerned about the Palin vagina and it’s healthy output. Obsessed, you might say.

    I wonder why.

    Vampires, maybe?

  180. McGehee says:

    Who’s blocking your comments?

    I think he TrollHammered himself.

  181. Mark A. Flacy says:

    If she had a 1.2% chance, she shouldn’t have flown. Pretty simple.

    Just for giggles, what percentage chance would have been low enough for her to fly and for you not to consider her reckless?

  182. Pablo says:

    SBP : nope, not 1.2%. She had a 50% chance of going into labor according to the link I provided.

    Please quote that which you think says that. It does not.

    That’s cool. My argument was simple, direct, and right. And you block my comments. Classy.

    “Who’s blocking your comments?”

    Nobody… the site didn’t like the link I tried to put in my comment. I took the link out and it accepted the comment.

    Classy. And…oh, what’s the word? Oh, wrong.

  183. FALSE DICHOTOMY BITCHES!!!

    gawd, like he needs any other response. or did he answer Pablo’s question from way back and I missed it?

  184. oh, and Carin is, apparently, a mutant.

  185. Carin says:

    Carin, there is no difference. If you have a leak or you have a rupture, labor may proceed quickly and the baby and mother are at a high risk for infection.

    Wrong … again. Boy, is this getting old.

    And, risk of infection doesn’t set in until 24 hours AFTER the rupture.

  186. Blind Howling Moonbat says:

    Man, you women are so stupid, I can’t believe any of you really managed to have children of your own.

  187. Carin says:

    I’m glad you had 4 kids, and I think you are lying out of your ass about choosing to take the flight. Liar.

    Five kids, and I’m not lying. Obviously I’ve never been in that situation, but I have refused to go to the hospital when the doc wanted me to. I hid in my house for an entire weekend when my OB wanted me show up for an inducement when I was a week overdue. You have no clue about my attitudes regarding labor/birth. There is nothing dangerous about PROM. And, usually it’s bad to go to the hospital because the doctors WILL heavy-hand you into inducing because you (almost always) won’t be in labor or it will be proressiving too slowly to accomodate the OB’s weekend golf game.

  188. Pablo says:

    And, risk of infection doesn’t set in until 24 hours AFTER the rupture.

    Well, that’s what assclown’s link says. But he knows better. Labor and infection in a matter of hours, I tells ya!!!

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