It’s centrist! It’s moderate! Really it is!
Isaac MacMillen, Americans for Limited Government (warning: the word “Nazi” gets used. Which I think is racist):
[…] In his new transition website, Change.gov, “Office of the President-elect,†[Gghah! – ed] Barack Obama promises to “expand national service programs†such as Peace Corps and AmeriCorps. While there are many benefits to volunteering for the country, Obama’s plan has the potential to cause some severe side-effects: Money, Education, and even Constitutional Rights.
By increasing the sizeâ€â€both in terms of members and moniesâ€â€of these organizations, Obama may well hope to produce a short-term benefit, a decrease in unemployment numbers. At the same time, however, he would be creating a severe long-term problem: By decreasing the size of the available workforce and increasing the expenditures of the federal government, Obama forces the government to take more money from fewer sourcesâ€â€and ultimately increasing the amount takenâ€â€tax hikes.
The Fiscal Year 2007 Peace Corps budget was $320 million [.pdf available at link], with $344 million estimated for 2009. The President’s AmeriCorps budget request for 2009 is nearly $830 million. So far that’s an estimated $1.17 billion. But he wants to expand both organizations even further, as well as establish new Classroom Corps, Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps.
Where will many of these people come from? He plans to tap into the youth that helped propel him into officeâ€â€requiring “50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.†No doubt some of those eager college students who voted him in will regret the additional work. 50 hours/semester are equivalent to an extra class (about 3 hours/week), and many students already have families, jobs, or participate in extra-curricular activities.
To be fair, this work does come with some “pay” (or rather, a voucher: you will spend as you are told!) — $4000 off of tuition in some cases — with that $40* an hour going toward a product that is already overpriced thanks to administration-heavy university structures, and the “need” to complete college as an extension of the K-12 curriculum in order to be seen as viable in today’s jobs market. Hence, this plan. Which, let’s face it, is really nothing more than indentured servitude with coupons.
The youth vote would likely rebel, were they not certain that, given the bureaucratic nature of this anti-American beast, they’ll be able to find ways to do nothing and still get credit — with the entire system likely (and ironically) to create a kind of free wheeling market for entrepreneurs willing to establish credit trading posts, or black market documents.
So, at least some outlawism is bound to spring up from this nannystate mess.
In 2006, the Census Bureau reported that about 16.5 million children were enrolled in middle school, 17.5 million in high school, and 17.1 million were pursuing an undergraduate degree [.pdf available at link]. Assuming no growth in school attendance (unlikely), the budget necessary to expand (and create) all these service corps to handle the influx of over 50 million new “volunteers†is going to be enormous.
If one takes AmeriCorps, with its under 2 million workers and volunteers, and multiplies its budget by 25, you get over $20 billion. And that’s only a fraction of the amount Obama has promised to spend on his “civilian national security force†[Gghah! – ed] that’ll have the same funding as the military. Assuming Rep. Barney Frank’s 25 percent cut, that’s still in the $400 billion range [.pdf available at link].
Probably the worst national effect, however, is that it will have a net result of decreasing the education levels of the American population. According to Upromise, 10 percent of full-time students in 2000 also held full-time jobs. An additional 47 percent worked part-time. Nearly one third of students labeled themselves as workers first, students second.
Adding a “volunteer†requirement would have the negative consequence of discouraging working persons from obtaining higher education. Full-time working students are more likely to drop out of college than non-full-time students as it is. At the very least, the additional requirements would delay their progress through school by adding 300+ hours of extra work to their quest for a degree. And that’s ignoring the question of high-school dropouts.
Finally, one cannot discuss this proposal without looking at the constitutional impact it may have. First and foremostâ€â€how far-reaching would this requirement be? Would private schools that refuse government funding be forced to take part? What about homeschoolers?
I think I can answer that. 1) No. But then, private schools are where the rich send their children, creating a new kind of 60s Vietnam deferment. And 2) Home schoolers? Sorry, but that’ll require all sort of new licensing requirements — with the end result being if you want to home school your children, you’re going to need an advanced degree of some sort. Because progressives like nothing so much as credentialing, and the way to stop home schooling without appearing to be going after home schooling per se is to go after the home schoolers. FOR THE CHILDREN!
Besides. It’s about time some public school kid had a shot at the National Spelling Bee, isn’t it? Because of the fairness?
If it turns out to be a blanket requirement, it will without a doubt end up before the Supreme Court. Not only does the constitution forbid “involuntary servitude,†but it could also violate the liberals’ favorite right, the right to privacy.
If it is not a blanket requirement, but only impacts government schools, then it would raise questions of whether or not the school can actually compel students to “volunteer.†First amendment rights, anyone? Conservative blogs are already jumping on the issue.
Of course, this isn’t the first time a nation has mandated national service for its youth. Nazi Germany is most (in)famous for its Hitler Youth, but North Korea (“Kim Il Sung Socialist Youth Leagueâ€Â), Soviet Union (“Pioneers†and “Lenin’s Little Potatoesâ€Â), Communist China (“Communist Youth League of Chinaâ€Â), and Italy (Mussolini’s “Opera Nazionale Balillaâ€Â) have had their own state-run youth organizations.
In short, President-elect Obama’s plan will increase spending, decrease individual initiative (and education), and provide a permanent indoctrination tool by which Big Government can preserve itself.
Well, true.
But one does not reach Utopia without forcing a little bit of involuntary change. For our own good.
Don’t think of it as fascist. Think of it as a necessary sacrifice on the road to the Edenic world of an all-powerful, all-caring Federal Government that will take away the pressures that come with having to make decisions for yourself and your family all by yourselves.
Because that’s like, so Palinesque. And Jesus, look where that gets you: excoriated by the press and members of your own party, and stuck in the hinterlands making moose quiche with your trailer trash kids and your dumbfuck trophy husband who you stick with only because he’s hung like an elk…
No one in MY family will participate in any such bullshit, including my 10-year old. Fortunately, he goes to a private school, but wouldn’t allow participation in any case.
BTW, if I read it right, the math was off-$4,000 for 100 hours “work” is $40/hour, not $4. Wish I made that much!
So, this is what I have come home to, eh?
Hey, if you really want to go full out in the bad-old-days comparison realm… “Veteran’s Corps” = Freikorps.
I, myself, am wondering what kind of “veteran” is being sought. Myself, I think I’ll give the “Corps” a pass. Thanks anyway, Mr. Obama.
13th amendment, bitch. Fuck off.
How many gov. workers will it take to administrate all these crap corps and services…. a million?
And even then it won’t work: outlaws love the rush.
Kids put 99% of their cognitive abilities into figuring out how to avoid doing (or getting credit for doing without actually doing) what adults tell them to do.
The kids will rise to this challenge. I know I always did.
Then you get to brag…. maybe get some trim, too.
Come on, Jeff. The uniforms will be so kewl!
Wasn’t there a big to-do a few years back about a couple of teens whose application for school credit for their community service project got nixed by the local administration?
Because the project in question supported the Klan?
Not that I’m recommending Junior sign up with some Robert Byrd types… simply, where there’s a federal diktat, there’s room for much mischief.
Hoisting them by their own petard, etc.
They’re going to bitch-slap us with economic ruin in order to soften us up a bit. Somebody in Obama’s camp knew how many Americans were living above their means, strung out on sweet, sexy credit, and saw the opportunity to bring the capitalists to their knees.
The GOP sat around, still sits around saying, “nobody could really be that evil, could they?” while the house falls around their ears.
And you’re an evil racist to complain about it, btw. We fussed too much, still have too much fight in us, so now they’re gonna take our retirement away from us.
I guess I’ll shut up now and go fix Obama a sandwich.
The new improved MVD now for you and me. Internal passports coming soon to a local neighborhood security station. First one’s free.
I, myself, am wondering what kind of “veteran†is being sought.
Losers. They make the best followers.
Welcome home Mr. Major John!
The sweep O out of power song I am not your broom
They won’t be called that. They’ll be called something like “carbon output management voucher”. And while they’ll have your photo, it’ll be illegal to use them as an ID at the polls.
This linkought to work.
When I look back on my life I will keenly regret not having committed more hours to Baracky’s national service programs. Don’t let this happen to you, kids. You only live once. Give of yourself unto Baracky and He will give you a certificate of completion suitable for framing and a t-shirt. Collect all six!
Jeff, one sunday morning last summer a bunch of us got up at 5 am to drive to the Filmore to help local band the Flobots make this music video, Rise.
Do you listen to 93.3 ever?
Joe Biden said that Obama is going to use Rise in the inaugral ceremony.
Do you recognize the superfund site trailerpark at Commerce City in the footage?
This is the memewar you are fighting against.
I think you are punching out of your weightclass.
OMG! THEY ARE ATTACKING WITH MUSIC VIDEOS!
kate, are you going to be paying Jeff for the advertisement?
Or are you, as I surmised in the past, a parasite?
It’s all over.
ft they had a community cheerleaders who would wash my car in bikini corps-i’d be all for that
OMG! MUSIC VIDEO!!!
Here’s a better video. I spent most of a weekend helping make this one.
I have to warn you, though. It has puppets.
“Obama’s Little Arugulas”
Love it.
com-college-cheerleader corp
CCCC
I thought nishi said she would never comment here again.
She just can’t quit us.
Probably due to her early-onset Alzheimer’s.
Is nishi a person or some inside pw insult?
Lies. ALL LIES!, says Colorado Media Matters. Obama doesn’t want to build a giant civilian force! He just wants to build a giant civilian force! Can’t you wingnuts see the nuance?
(cue: Barrett shows up to explain the libertarian / anarchist aspects of forced servitude and a civilian force coupled with attacks on the validity of the second amendment in 3…2…1…
(followed by Hubris, with a link to something somewhere where someone explains how it’s not really what it purports to be, so why worry? Sniff.)
When we finally all work for the government, we will all get paid the same?
‘buttons, peruse the archive available on the left. Pick a month in early 2008, find a thread with over a hundred comments and you’ll quickly get the drift.
ok-thank you-you learn something new everyday
People should not seek to enhance their subservience to their government I don’t think. It’s a very anemic person what finds fulfillment in that sort of thing. I think the novelty of being a government toady person will wear off pretty quickly though.
They’ll just sign you for for Barakycorps automatically, and send you a bill if you don’t show up for camp.
Lenin’s Little Potatoes! That would be so cute–if they hadn’t been trained to want to kill us…
Reminds me of the adage about living under the USSR: They pretend to pay and we pretend to work.
nishi, are you planning on signing up? I’m curious for real. I bet there will be plenty of blogs what the servey people write though. It might even be mandatory.
Both!
#28-well that didn’t take long
i see your point
I’m backing up the Criminal History DB’s now. Can’t be too careful.
Yes, community service in exchange for a tuition voucher is JUST LIKE SLAVERY!!!1! CLASSICAL LIBERALS TO THE BARRICADES!!1!
Yeah, I don’t see what the big deal is.
I mean, Spain requires one year of ‘volunteering’ in NGOs or the military and they were never fasc…. never mind.
Oh! Turkey does that too, and they weren’t ever some kind of tyran…
fk. nevermind.
Oh, Hell! What was I thinking!
Italy!
shit.
#38
It is if it’s mandatory. I don’t care what they pay.
Well, I can’t wait for you to get drafted into the Army for service in the ‘stan.
It’s not like you were doing anything important in your life and they *are* going to pay you.
VOLUNTARY community service is NOT slavery. MANDATORY VOLUNTARY community service most definitely is… You can label it anyway you want, but if you force someone to work for others without their consent, no matter what your intentions, that’s slavery.
And I thought we were past all that unpleasantness by now, unless it’s ok if the HONKIES are doing all the work.
…I denounce me…
Well, some people may prefer going off and finding a real job instead. Might be able to save up the same amount as that voucher. And some people may prefer just to suck it up and take the loans.
What worries us is the way those advocating “community service” have this way of sticking the word “mandatory” in front of it. Oh, they pull that back whenever someone’s watching, but they put it back ASAP.
And, of course, it’s not government’s job to provide make-work in exchange for college dollars. The whole program amounts to a way to suck cash from Joe in order to pay Bill to work for some nebulous purpose — which, given the history of Americorps, will amount to political work in the guise of working for a non-profit. Joe should be pissed; if his cash is going to pay Bill to work, shouldn’t Joe get a say in what Bill does?
AS someone who spent years in the non-profit ghetto, let me tell you from experience that the people who actually have to supervise volunteers are just going to LOVE having to oversee a flock of surly, unmotivated slackers who are just praying the clock moves faster.
Come to think of it, maybe they can get hints from the management of the Post Office.
Also, if it’s “mandatory,” it’s not “charity.” Kinda defeats the whole purpose of getting people involved with their community.
I dunno. “Community Organizer” turns out to be a pretty sweet gig.
Realize this. They are going to regulate CO2 as a greenhouse gas and as a pollutant. Every breath you breathe out, pollution now.
How much would you pay to keep breathing? Do you have enough to afford it?
Welcome to the “Air Empire”, faster and more efficient than those old “Water Empires”.
This is the memewar you are fighting against.
OMG teh porgersive have ROK VIDIOZ!
WE R DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!
It will be enjoyable to watch slacker-nation get up and do – or else. Here’s your unity, pal – and a rake.
I regret that, being long finished with my education, I shan’t have the opportunity to disobey this edict and then sue the federal government for violating my rights under the 13th Amendment. Benedick v. United States would rock.
Oh, and welcome home, Maj. John!
#2 Maj. John:
I suppose many are thinking of the CCC, however times are nowhere that bad*, and the CCC did do some good. The families received the money, the young guys got three hots and a cot – and an education. The country got a lot done with reforestry, etc. and the young guys were out of the city. No revolution with the foot-soldiers all sent way out to nowhere to work themselves to exhaustion.
*Again – times now are not that bad, not like then. I recall working with an older guy who grew up in the thirties, and twice a year they would get a new pair of bib overalls and brogans from the Relief, and his family needed that. My parents were kids in the thirties, and while they were comfortable they saw what was. That vegetable garden in the yard wasn’t for show or to make one feel morally superior, it was for food, and home-canning wasn’t a hobby it was a neccesity.
I am kinda suspicious of this voluntary programmes supervised by the government.
Old fears.
I have to wait and see what is this all about in reality, not speculation…
Yes, community service in exchange for a tuition voucher is JUST LIKE SLAVERY!!!
Community service should be in exchanged for a plea agreement, or simply ’cause you wanna. Service for money (or, as some call it, payment for tuition) is called A JOB.
A quick survey of American teens, i.e. the one laying around my house, about mandatory community service, brought the response,”Good luck with that”. Anybody else done more extensive polling?
Sashal, I’d hate to say I told you so…No, wait I’d love it.
#54
Welcome to the gulag, comrade. A step to the right,or a step to the left, we shoot.
“Community organizer” is not supposed to be equivalent to “the guy with the whip” anymore, I think.
Prob’ly get the trains runnin’ on time, though.
So the $4k, is that one time or per year? My son’s college is running about $20k a year and a one time voucher wouldn’t really do much, would it?
Liberals don’t care what anyone does…so long as it’s compulsory.
Baracky did have that leit motif thinger about I will ask you to sacrifice. What the hell does that mean exactly? I’ve been figuring he’s mostly thinking of high gas prices for so the earth won’t be uncomfortably warm to where we all have to wear short sleeves even fat women, but he hasn’t really said. But for real the idea of sacrifice decoupled from volition is not an American idea I don’t think and Baracky can’t make it one just by shaming people. I just don’t see that happening. So ask already you dirty socialist and I will let you know.
Why do I always spell leitmotif as two words? It’s not so don’t pick that up.
Welcome to the gulag, comrade.
At least it’s not…shudder…imperialist.
Is it?
“In short, President-elect Obama’s plan will increase spending, decrease individual initiative (and education), and provide a permanent indoctrination tool by which Big Government can preserve itself.”
The whole notion of the Obama youth O!-force is uber-creepy…
It’s not like the indoctrination isn’t happening fast enough already in our public schools and universities…
Now we have to have this O!-corps to completely insure that our youth are quarantined from the influence of any of their families values…
We have de facto ceded the right to instill a value system in our children to the public school system. Unchecked over time, coupled with signifigant percentages of the immigrant population that militantly resist assimilation, this will ultimately lead to the complete abandonment of any vestige of classical liberalism…
It’s time to take back the right to instill our values systems in our children. Schools should conccentrate on education, not indoctrination. Just because some parents could give a damn about education, or if their kids are properly socialized, doesn’t mean that all of us have to be subject to nanny state measures…
Take back our schools…for education, and for the children…
If huge government is what we want that’s what we are getting with Obama. This liberal illuminati will be in charge of everything if you gets his way. The think for me is i like A TON of what he says but i am just not sure it’s the governments jobs to do it. But in a crap world (exactly what we live in) maybe the government has to do it because no one else will. Then Obama is our man, i am just not sure that is the direction i want government to be going.
Feet of Happiness – Thanks again. I keep in contact with one of the Scottish kids (listen to me, I sound like an old man – he is a three time deployed, tough infantryman in the Royal Scots Borderers) I met at Mahmud Al Kasim/Camp Al Shaheed Wessam – he was the one I gave a whole bunch of the Robusto too and he darn near flew around the base after drinking three of them in fast succession. Heh, I shan’t ever forget that.
Benedick – it is good to be back, thanks.
Mikey – I remember when I was a kid, and my father was helping me learn to shoot a .22 rifle. He was musing aloud where we could get some “super short” rounds. I asked what they did, and he answered that they were good for a little range like shooting a pigeon of a roof and not really hurting the house if you missed. I asked him why he would do that, were they hurting the roof or something? He looked at me with a kind of thousand yard stare and told me they were for eating. He had it very rough during the Great Depression – and that was my first hint. He isn’t a real big fan of compelling people to put on overalls and break wind in the palaces of the mighty, however.
Welcome home, Major John. Thank you.
Bingo. Tracing that phenomenon and central banking to their respective origins gives us the philosophical kernel behind what’s now the collective dysfunction that’s literally costing us this republic.
Owning the mind and the pocketbook kinda makes juvenile labor programs as inevitable as they are relative cake walks when compared to the entire budding State program.
Overreach, Obama. Ironically you’re our only hope.
Seems to me that, Baracky’s “service” commitment is designed to guarantee a burgeoning stream of grist for the Universities’ mills.
You know what’d really screw the Prog movement? Repeal the universities monopoly on credenital-ing, and proliferate vocational education programs.
Once they notice that their campuses are empty, or that only place-sitting eggheads sit in the pews, the movement will have to maturate its MTV-rhetoric and shift instead to convincing adult voters to vote for them.
We should make them work for every kid they entice to seek their creds. Instead, O!’s plan guarantees a regular stream of kids and that we, the taxpayers, will pay the Progs to campus them.
Tricky dicky!
“Veteran’s Corps”, huh? Thank God I burned my draft card back in ’69!
Of course, that was done one boring evening in “Eye” Corps, with a heat tab in a C ration stove, but still . . .
Welcome home, Major John!
I wonder what you republicans think King George aka. Quickdraw is going to leave us in his wake? Could be the largest most expencive administration in U.S. history! How do you think he is paying his tab? I.O.U.s to the commies. Sounds like the the last 8 years is what this conversation is all about. The alternatives we are left with are scary at best. The republicans should be held responsable at all levels. Let the investigations begin , oh thats right they have. If posable the computer snoops are trying to recover at least one million pieces of deleted e-mail from the most secrative pack of terds ever voted into U.S. office. They have my full support and I wish them the best of luck. I wonder what they might find? Could be the facts of the most commie leaning president in history. Lets all remember the telling photos of comrad George driving the leader comrad around in his own car in the fatherland and all the photos of comrad George and the comrad Puttin in Texas with comrad George chauffering his best friend like an underling to the Russans. I can’t tell you how imberrasing those photos were to me. I also wander why the Russans are sterting to posture and make threats befor comrad George is even out of office? Is this some kind of not to hidden support for their own party of choice? Can we expect reprisals for having the nerve to dump their comrads party? If I wasn’t worried befor I am now. And you repubs have the nerve to call Obama out for policies that are not even in place.
Get a grip folks I have a real problem with what is seen by some as just saber rattling. WE owe the commie Chines a fortune due to the republican spend montra and we have the Russains just burning to be of importance on the world stage again. If non of this is of concern to you then your ass is pointing skyward with your head safely stuck in the sand. We already have a comunist leaning president in office and have for almost 8 years. Call me what you want and do as all you good republicans are famous for , give 100% blind , head in the sand support. This is just my opinion but non of this is any more farfetched then all the crap comming from the repub. camp. I will probably be silanced for even being so bold as to think all this is to be believed. Food for thought. If I am correct we will be welcomed with open arms , or is that loaded arms to the reeducation camps of their choice untill we all see the wisdom of comrad Puttin and his lap dog and chaufer comrad George.
Wow. That’s a lot of words!
Two quick points for you, Pat: the first is that’s it’s very important to take your medication exactly once every day. Skipping a couple of days and then taking three pills to make up for it? Not so good.
The second point is that nobody here is on board with the Republicans’ excessive spending in the past few years. We’re that classically liberal, small-government, individual responsibility crowd that nobody wants to hang out with any more.
In that, at least, I’m sure you can identify with us.
#67 Maj. John:
Well said. I know some old guys who grew up then, around old Tiger Stadium in Detroit. Slingshots were to kill pigeons. For food. Vinnie and Bill and Fred are Maltese, and they weren’t kidding.
This now is nothing like it was then. I haven’t heard of any ‘rent parties’ recently, or other than in recollections and histories.
I do remember once, when I was four, my nursey school went on a field trip to a farm and we got seeds. I planted them in the dirt strip between the house and the driveway, and by golly they grew! Corn and radishes, we had them that year. There was also a cherry tree in the backyard.
And at the new house we had tomatoes that mom grew, and raspberries that came from who knows what bird. Vegetables take a little time and effort, but they aren’t hard to grow and enjoy. If I can do it, anyone can.
I don’t need meds. to agree with you or have radical views such as these. As in science sometimes the most radical views turn out to be the most realistic. Like I said food for thought , not believe my words. I have read crazzier stuff slung at the democrats as if they were sent from god to be worshipped and believed in full. I just find it to be disturbing to have these cercomstances to be in place all at the very same time. Can you tell me for sure that I am nuts with the most secrative administration we have ever had trying to erase their tracks as they are leaving office. Transpairancy tends to keep the facts up front and what if at a minimum. With this pack of jokers who knows? I just hope that those terds that desirve to be prosicuted get all the opratunities possable. I hope all the secrets come to light in time to respond accordingly.
Once more – when Consumers Energy cleared the pipeline through the Youth Camp at Camp Dearborn, there was a an empty patch through the camp. Grass was seeded, and took off (like most things do if you don’t cut it and just ignore it). But the raspberry bushes just exploded along that cut! You could just pluck them and eat them, they were so good! The Mayapple under the trees I just left alone.
I forgot – the grape leaves that grew in out-of-the-way places in the camp were sought after by the Arab women. The grapes weren’t anything much, just wild vines, but they wanted the leaves.
The largest tomato plant I ever grew I took a good sized start and took a post hole digger and dug down 3 feet. I had cow crap that wasa way to fresh to be used right away. So I tamped 2 feet of cow dab in the bottom of the hole then added 6 inches of soil and then set my plant. Tomatos love warm ground , so the composting poo not only fertalized the plant it heated the ground blow it. I have never seen a plant this size befor. I had 6 stakes to hold it up but the stakes kept falling over from the weight. I gave tomatos to anybody that wanted them and still had way to many to eat.
#76 Patrick:
WTF? Crazier stuff slung at Democrats? Please.
The fascist evil chimp-moron-emperor-Bush hasn’t cancelled elections. The most moronic puppet to ever fly a Consolidated F-102A Delta Dagger isn’t holding on to power in order to bring about his theocratic nazi empire of God.
The left owns that nonsense, and I hope I live to continue rubbing all of their excesses into their noses over the next four years. No head-tilt is going to help you now. Since you didn’t want to get along over the past eight years, what makes you or Chris Matthews think that anyone else wants to get along with you now?
You bought it, jerk, you own it. Have fun trying to govern (not ‘rule’, ‘govern’) over the next few years. You gave everyone else the playbook on how a spoiled brat is to act when she doesn’t get her pony. I hope you revel the calumny you are going to get, dickhead. It is only what you deserve.
Now that the Dems are in power, you want us all to get along, and pretend that the bile the left spewed continuously throughout the Bush administration either didn’t matter, or was payback for some imagined slight. Screw that.
OUTLAW!
What are you (other than a shitsack). You trashed damn near everybody but the independants. King George is smart eneough to realize that dumping the elections would cause a rebelion not seen in the U.S. in over a hundred years. Yo asswipe I am as close to center as possable. I watch all as in fox , cnn . ect. news so as to get both sides to the isues. No one party has all the facts like they would all like for me believe. Without all input no matter how upsetting some of it is , how can I form an informed choice. One sided news is only good for that feel good news. If some of what you here doesn’t upset you a litte then you are prone to lean in one direction whether it is a wise lean or not. Sooooo I won’t insult dickheads by grouping you in with them. We were given 2 choices and I don’t think eighter was the best at hand. Of all truely qualified people to chose from they picked them , why only God knows. I would have gladly voted for McShame and his lap dog P(F)ailin had they been the best to lead. All that came from their mouths was blame and inuindos , not any policy info. that would lead me to believe that they were the best party to lead , to bad. I would like to have a real election not what was handed us. Obama at least kept to the isues at hand more often then McCain , and did not change his view on those isues to cater to the croud of the day. I was not realy given much choice in the end.I could choose from an angry old man that would not spell out his views clearly and remain confrontational or choose a man that given the fact that I knew little about him or whether I could trust him at least gave me a more complete picture of his intentions. A candidate has to work for my vote not just be in one party or the other. With the info. given by both parties Obama was way more informative and that was McCains choice to make.All I can say is heaven help us all. Peace be with us all. Good luck to us all even if you don’t see eye to eye with me. The best wishes to you and your families. We all cast our bread upon the waters and all want the best outcome even when we don’t always agree.
Paragraph breaks are your friend. Walls of text get ignored. I think I saw a few insults in there while skimming, but frankly, I don’t give a damn about your opinion of me. Good luck stirring up the crap, and perhaps someone here will actually bother engaging you. I doubt it, but you might get lucky.
Or maybe you were talking to someone else. Doesn’t matter.
I see pat the poofter painter has graced us with some more of its idiotic ramblings. Spell check you fucking illiterate twatwaffle.
Look more howler shit slinging monkeys spewing their vile unimportant crap. As if I didn’t expect your reply. Who gives a fuck wha a shit monkey thinks. More of the same old same old. If I cared what you ass wipes thought I wouldn’t post any messages due to your expected replies. You terds don’t want to reply on any of the content of my messages which is the way of the monkey. You are just not very well trained attack clowns so do what you do best and SLING THAT SHIT as if anyone is impressed or gives a monkey shit.
I forgot. Have a great day.
My two sons will never, never, take part in any of this “Hitler youth movement”. They would have to get through me first. Besides my family already gives enough to charity, just look at my tax withholdings.
I see PATRICK KELLEY has finally discovered lower case.
Now if he could only discover paragraphs and logical thought…..
PATRICK is a painter?
Hmm… too many years sanding off lead-based paint without a dust mask would explain a lot.