Okay, folks. Time to stop shying away from asking these questions for fear of looking silly, paranoid, or — potentially — downright deranged.
I mean, shit, if Oliver Stone and Jim Garrison can do it, why not us, right?
So answer me this, somebody: Did Barack Obama really attend Columbia? And if so, where’s the proof?
I’ll admit to not having looked into this at all myself, so I can only offer you what’s been sent my way — this being the latest example:
Obama graduated from Columbia College in 1983, and after spending a year in New York, moved to Chicago.
Wayne Allyn Root says, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knows him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia. Ever! … Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding.
Questioner: Were you the exact same class?
Root: Class of ’83 political science, pre-law Columbia University. You don’t get more exact than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, 20th reunion, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! Who was he, and five years ago, nobody even knew who he was… the guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange? It’s very strange…
When asked about his undergraduate training at Columbia University, The New Times states that Obama “declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years.”
Many of his classmates don’t remember Obama. He’s not in the yearbook. Columbia couldn’t find a picture of him at school.
What can be said with some certainty is that Mr. Obama lived off campus while at Columbia in 1981-83 and made few friends. Fox News contacted some 400 of his classmates and found no one who remembered him.
As unqualified reservations notes:
Barack or Barry – note that he is still Barry while at Occidental; at the next place we know he existed, Harvard Law, he has become Barack – spends two years at Columbia. He presumably receives two years worth of college credits. By taking two years worth of college courses.
Furthermore, in every other period of his life, he is known as the gregarious and charismatic young man he obviously was. Nor can his looks be described as ordinary. Nor is even his name ordinary. This man is a future president. And no one remembers him? No one?
What is the chance that a budding young politician of undeniable talent and promise spends his junior and senior years at Columbia, and no one remembers him?
I can speak slightly to this issue, because while Obama (purportedly) was a transfer student at Columbia in 1981, I was a transfer student at Brown in 1989. It is certainly easy to disappear into the void as a transfer, because most everyone acquires their principal social networks as a freshman. I am also a naturally reticent person who was quite a bit underaged, and I have to say that if anyone “lived like a monk” it was me (although I was in the CS lab, not the library). And I certainly have no plans to seek political office!
Nonetheless, if you were a major media organization, and you went looking for people who were at Brown in the late ’80s and early ’90s, and asked them if they remembered Mencius Moldbug – giving my real name, of course – you would find them. Easily. Very easily.
So let me ask anyone who cares to comment below. How, exactly, do we – the American people, Lord help us – know that Barack Obama attended Columbia? Or, more precisely: why should we assume, on the basis of the evidence that we have, that he did? Do we seriously believe it is possible for a future President to be unremembered at his alma mater?
What we know is that a Columbia spokesman has confirmed that Obama attended Columbia. If we’re lucky, this means precisely one thing: someone at Columbia went over to a file cabinet, opened it, and found a file that looked basically right. Which is more likely: that no one remembers one of the most articulate and talented black students on an Ivy League campus? Or that someone planted a file or two?
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If we rule out the impossible, we have to accept the improbable. In my mind, knowing what I know (if anyone has better information, hopefully they will post it in the comments), it is close enough to impossible that Barack Obama went to Columbia, that I’m willing to say the unsayable and theorize about what else might have happened. Yes, I realize that this makes me a racist.
My guess is that young Barry dropped out of Occidental in ’81, not to go to Columbia, but to go to New York and be a black revolutionary bohemian.
My guess – not because I have any reason to believe that this specifically is what happened, but just because every other explanation I can think of strikes me as less probable – is that Obama, as a young black radical with SDS credentials and obvious talent and potential, found it relatively trivial to earn quick admission to the inner circle, spent two years as a gofer, intern, catamite, or what have you for the Ayers crime family, and was rewarded by the gift of a Columbia degree and a ticket to Harvard Law.
Did Bill Ayers have connections in the administrative staff at Columbia? It would be remarkable if he didn’t. Folks, the Movement was the center of the universe in 1968. If you were one of the top hundred people in it, let alone Bill Ayers, you were the giant glowing sun in the core of your social galaxy. You were a stud beyond studs. You had friends everywhere.
And would someone who blows up police stations blanch at planting a file? Honestly, can we even be confident that the staff at Columbia looked at the file? Who are they, and how do we know them? Again: why do we believe that Barack Obama attended classes at Columbia?
Moreover, a bogus Columbia degree is exactly the sort of thing an ambitious person can get away with in this world. Especially an ambitious black person. Everyone hates to be a racist. Of course, you have to have a serious pair of brass balls, but I think we know Obama has those.
But running for president? And, seemingly, winning? Is it possible? It would certainly be something new under the sun, that’s for sure. But semper aliquid novi, as they say.
The story is easy to check. Just ask Barack Obama to tell us the names of some of his classes and professors at Columbia. He may not have had friends, but he took classes from professors. Then, find the professors and students. Not just one of each. All of them. (For example, there were apparently only seven other students, presumably all jealous of the One’s rapierlike wit, in Michael Baron’s seminar.) Interview these people. Take depositions, if needed. Ask them if they remember Barry. Or Barack. Or whatever he was calling himself at the time. If not…
Of course, the One is scheduled to be elected President in a few days. So he may not find the time to answer. But does it matter? All this will be so much more fun after the election.
And in case it matters, no: I don’t really believe Barack Obama is the Manchurian Candidate. If I had to bet, I would bet that Steve Sailer has him pegged: Obama is Gatsby. I think Obama is a man without qualities, a person of no particular character or perspective, who is very good at conforming to the expectations of whatever context he finds himself in. I think he wound up in Ayers’ circle just because he’s a climber, and that was the handiest pole to climb. I think that in an Obama administration the White House will revert to its long-term trendline of becoming a basically ceremonial and functionless agency. I think, I think, I think.
But I don’t know. And that worries me a little. Doesn’t it worry you too? A little? Just a little?
A follow-up post then posits an additional bit of speculation.
Under normal circumstances, I’d probably use this occasion to suggest, first of all, that I am not convinced that Obama’s files were planted, or that he did not, in fact, attend Columbia (although perhaps his attendance was spotty, or he attended only briefly and was favorited with a degree based on some of his political connections). Second — and having offered that qualification (hi, SEK!) — I’d then likely launch into a rather heated indictment of the press, whose failure to properly vet a political unknown — while simultaneously marketing him as the culmination of the civil rights dream (although Dr Ogletree splashed a bit of cold water on that, reminding the fawning press that they’d be voting for Obama’s white half) — is the reason these kinds of speculations are gaining purchase among a number of educated conservatives, and that their failure of due diligence has made them actively complicit in a propaganda campaign designed to move the country toward their preferred mode of government: progressivism.
I’d then likely rehearse my arguments about the kernel assumptions of progressivism leading inexorably, beginning at the linguistic level, to the kind of authoritarianism we’re already beginning to see from Obama, even before his coronation.
Under normal circumstances.
Instead, though, I’ll just note that some people are well and truly fucked, and that I’d be very much obliged if they’d keep the hell off my lawn.
ibid.
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(h/t Virginian, who has more)
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update: More, from Dan at the Pub.
Baracky has a lot more to hide than he has to show. Rick Moran can hug him and kiss him and love him to iddle biddle pieces but Baracky won’t never be my president cause the one thing he can’t hide is he’s a dirty anti-American socialist I think.
i attended columbia…[the school of records]
and it was sooo cool…
had these little stamps-
had to put them in proper boxes…
talk about focus…
it made me a better person and i’m ready to be president
i mean…pennies on the dollar!
i got such bitchin’ albums…
sometimes double albums..[thanks-allman bros]
triple albums suck-but a bargain none the less…
and the lamb…lies down…
on broadway![belt-way?]
It’s ok. I can be presidentless for years at a go. I’m a lot self-motivated.
The man is a cipher. What we don’t know about him scares me more than what we DO know, and what we do know scares the bejabbers out of me.
And I was very fond of my bejabbers. I miss them.
Man ain’t no cipher he’s a dirty socialist what he is. I hope he’s not expecting cooperation cause I’m busy that week. Got laundry to do. Got laundry to do that week too. Look. I’ll call you ok Baracky? Ok then.
i don’t think i have ever heard so many conspiracy theories surrounding one person. I just wonder why he or the liberal illuminati would go through all the work up setting up a fake candidate for president. Am i just that naive to think that most of the stuff about Obama is probably true. Its the things that he says he will do if he gets elected that i am skeptical about.
No conspiracy about it. Baracky smash.
“I just wonder why he or the liberal illuminati would go through all the work up setting up a fake candidate for president.”
Look, even a real leftist candidate would be fake.
What cave have you been living in? Take your pick between Karl “Bush’s Brain” Rove, Dick “Darth Vadar” Cheney, or George “Chimpy McHilterburton” Bush.
Barack Hussein Obama – Man of Mystery
my prob is..i really can’t see me a-hatin so much…
so much energy to hate…
i could try…
whatever-nevermind
suck the pipe…
but not if my big fat bitch courtney love gets my residuals
hate the play…
not the play-dough
Mossberg, you definitely have a point there. After all, we have been listening to all sorts of wild theories/stories/rumors/etc about what the e-vil McChimpyBushitlerHALLIBURTON/Rove/Cheney/Rumsfeld/FBI/CIA/Methodists cabal is/was going to do to us all for the past eight years.
So why not Obambi as the Manchurian Candidate? Given what an empty suit he is, bereft of accomplishments, more sealed or just plain hidden files and records than you can shake a stick at, perhaps the idea of him being the penultimate Marxist sockpuppet is not so far-fetched after all…
Soros tool at best I think. At best.
Assuming that the allegation is true to the letter, Baracky’s minions would just as soon produce a Columbia student who was there, and with the help of some of those many monies Baracky got from Soros convince him to go on record saying he remembered Barry as all studious and quiet, actually he was a stand up guy sorta thing and the media would eat it all up like “O noes, look what the right wing nutters are saying about Baracky now.” Fucking evil terminator socialist and his t-9000 minions.
Jeff,
If the things we know about him and the people who surrounded him as he rose in politics make us nervous, if the promises he made to Joe the Plumber make you nervous, how much more nervous should you be when you realize that his past is almost totally unknown.
Unkosified at FreeRepublic has a longer list:
1. Occidental College records  Not released
2. Columbia College records  Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper  ‘not available’
4. Harvard College records  Not released
5. Selective Service Registration  Not released
6. Medical records  Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule  ‘not available’
8. Law practice client list  Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate  Not released
10. Embossed, signed, paper Certification of Live Birth  Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published  None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles  None
13. Record of baptism Not released or ‘not available’
14. Illinois State Senate recordsâ€â€Ã¢â‚¬â„¢not available’
http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2008/11/more-questions-we-dont-have-documents.html
>>Certified Copy of original Birth certificate  Not released
Not true. They’ve been sealed.
Are Soros tools available at Home Depot?
What is the office excuse for not releasing this stuff?
official. whatever bitches.
This makes perfect sense.
At Occidental he was just Paul Atreides.
At Columbia he became Usul (his buddies called him “Paul Muadib”).
Now, behold…we’re electing the fucking Kwitsach haderach!
Trippy.
Actually America’s electing the biggest con-man/ snake oil salesman since P.T. Barnum.
Except, ya know, Barnum liked America…and put on a much better show.
Barry’s culties do prove Barnum’s theorem though.
One born every minute.
A better question is whether Sarah Palin actually earned a college degree. Further, HOW!?
Zing!
“Comment by dre on 11/1 @ 4:02 pm #
Are Soros tools available at Home Depot?”
Right next to the capitalist running dogs.
Aisle 9.
“A better question is whether Sarah Palin actually earned a college degree. Further, HOW!?”
Who let Ralph Wiggum in here? Ralph, take your finger out of your nose and raise your hand before you ask a question.
Jeff, the trolls are digging under the slab again.
Man … we’ve been defeated by an anonymous commenter. How to we counter such brilliance. BRAVO Anon! Time to sit back and bask in the glow of victory.
Or, do that other thing. Flee!
Does anyone know if Sarahcuda’s college records have been released?
Even better, does anyone know of Sarahcuda’s college records have been covered up?
N.O.- Ok, you may have been laying down some smart ass there, but if not…
She bounced around a few universities and took some time off (the audacity to marry, breed, care for her children, and whatnot….EVIL I TELL YOU), but got her degree. Given the hell she raised in Alaska wpipping oil company ass & taking her own corrupt party to the wood shed, it would have been out a loooong time ago if otherwise.
And “The Precious” would have already done a shitty 30 minute infomercial on it.
I didn’t know PT Barnum was President.
Won’t he have to release all this crap if he becomes POTUS(God forbid!)…?
I mean, everyone else has…
I’m still prayin’ for a McCain victory; and to see lefty heads explode on Wednesday…
Best Wishes…
“I didn’t know PT Barnum was President.”
DAMNIT!
I knew that was coming one second after I hit “Say It.” LOL
“I’m still prayin’ for a McCain victory; and to see lefty heads explode on Wednesday…”
Don’t you mean lefty riots on Wednesday?
I’m in Texas, so I don’t have to worry about it.
#1) It’s a McCain/Palin state.
#2) People don’t riot here because, well, it’s Texas. We’re all armed and “He needed killing” is still an acceptable legal defense.
Note to those conservatives/libertarians in the Midwest/ Northwest/ Northeast if McCain wins, and riots break out. If the first two rounds in your shotgun are rock salt, you’ve legally fired two warning shots. Everything after that is kosher.
Joking, joking.
Ok, seriously…just take the plug out of the shot gun so it holds five, and make the first THREE rocksalt. Legally iron clad.
I’m in Texas, so I don’t have to worry about it.
#1) It’s a McCain/Palin state.”
You have plenty to worry about in Texas. The Democrats are running an opponent to Dale Wainright on the Texas Supreme court.
He is a trial lawyer with no judicial experience, who brags about helping out the trial lawyer plaintiffs, and who was busted on DWI.
Since his name is Sam Houston, he may get the moron vote-for-the-guy-with-the-fine-sounding-name vote and get elected.
Oh, and those other morons, the straight-Democrat-ticket voters who vote for these and other sundry lunatics (including Barack the Socialist).
Do what you can. Go to the polls on election day and remind people of the above facts and/or make some GOTV calls.
Baracky people just knocked on my door. I was very quiet and they went away. This time.
From Billy Ayers’ Weather Gazette circa 1975
Revolutionaries must be organizers
I blame the electorate.
They rely too heavily on other people to ask appropriate questions, and are willing to vote for O, telling themselves that if there were something REALLY off about this fellow, the press would have told them.
What a responsible and rational people would do in a vacuum of information, is simply refuse to elect him.
Instead the lazy mob wishes to feel good. We’ll get the government we deserve.
I think Baracky and his fellow Demorats are going to lose big time.
PEOPLE GIRD YOUR LOINS NOW!
“You have plenty to worry about in Texas.”
Not so much. You live in Austin, where George Bush is literally the devil. I got buddies grew up there, live there (I went to Baylor), and I know how it is. You’re surrounded by “crazy.”
Small world though. I met Dale Wainwright. I attended a CLE credit where he spoke during a bar conference in Houston three years (or so) ago and spoke with him for about 5 minutes after. Deborah Hankinson can jerk off the Brian Loncar/ Jim Adler type trial lawyers all she wants, won’t matter with currrent tort reform. Civil jury economic damage awards can go south on higher court appeals, but (almost) never north. Product liability is a different story, but 99% of the time that lands in federal court. If Obama puts her ass on the 5th Circuit, I’ll start worrying.
Re: #15
I know technology in Hollywood has improved immensely and Obama has major studio and TV network support, so are they running “Max Headroom” for President?
Early voting in Georgia, 3 1/2 hours in line, oof! But damned if my side’s going down without me getting my vote in.
geoffb (JARAIP): Are you saying Barry is just CGI?
Steyn made a strong case today that Super Half-Black Commie Jesus is just 2D.
And if we’re going 2D…I’m voting for Space Ghost.
Wait…
Barack… = Brak?
Nah, couldn’t be.
Could it?
I know he hates us, but anyone know if Barack loves beans?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8CfPBaHM7w
As a native New Yawker, Barack’s reaction to NYC fascinates me. It is, in a word, dark —
Sleeping in an alley, washing at a fire hydrant with a bum, “survival of the fittest,” “tooth and claw,” an elderly neighbor dead and stiff on a stair landing, a phone call from Nairobi announcing his father’s death…”the beauty, the filth, the noise, and the excess” of the city…”sensory overload”…”the steady fracturing of the world”…”the mathematical precison with which America’s race and class problems joined; the depth, the ferocity, of resulting tribal wars; the bile that flowed freely not just out on the streets, but in the stalls of Columbia’s bathrooms…”…”all the middle ground…collapsed, utterly”…”the city…out of control…the polarization a natural phenomenon.”
And so, the Columbia student “spent a year walking from one end of Manhattan to the other. Like a tourist, I watched the range of human possibility on display, trying to trace out my future in the lives of the people I saw, looking for some opening through with I could reenter.
While he had nightmares about his dead father.
And the drugs …. his first meeting with his only contact and future roommate featuring “a woman in her underwear sitting at the kitchen table, a mirror and a razor blade pushed off to one side.”
But…”…. I stopped getting high. I ran three miles a day and fasted on Sundays. For the first time in years, I applied myself to my studies and started keeping a journal of daily reflections and very bad poetry…..Uncertain of my ability to steer a course of moderation, fearful of falling into old habits, I took on the temperament if not the convictions of a street corner preacher, prepared to see temptation everywhere, ready to overrun a fragile will.”
And the family comes to visit: mom and sister stayed nearby for a summer, and though not mentioned in the book, there’s a picture of his grandparents in various media stories, seated on a NYC park bench, flanking their grandson.
And the roommate, showing up briefly this year in an anonymously written AP story, explaining that “His has been a difficult road; years after his time with Obama, Siddiqi says, he became addicted to cocaine and lost his business.”
Maybe Barack had a problem in NYC — an overdose, a breakdown, a bust, a period of rehab? A crisis, and a Columbia administration sympathetic to a traumatized minority student? Some courses marked completed that weren’t? Some grades nudged above failing? Some special assistance? A transcript that wouldn’t get an ivy league graduate an interview with any prestigious firm, but good enough to get a no frills, low-paying job at a financial newsletter publisher…or a job as a community organizer?
If he met Ayers in NYC, it was probably when he was working for Nader’s sleazy PIRG at CUNY. Organizers love to go to meetings to hear radical blowhards spur them on to greatness. Ayers had the connections to get him a job in Chicago, and the connections had the clout to get Barack’s ass into Harvard.
A better question is whether Sarah Palin actually earned a college degree. Further, HOW!?
Well, it was in journalism. I’ve got a roll or two of those degrees in my bathroom.
While at Columbia, Obama was a cockroach on a wall. He imagined himself all cocky and roachy and that’s what he became. He knew cock. He knew roach and he knew strangers. His New York was a boiling pot of cockroach strangers. No one remembers the individuals. But cock and roach, they remember.
JBean,
Don’t do that. This whole website now needs a shower.
(mumble/scubbing)…it won’t come off…(crank water to scalding…scrub harder)…
IT WON’T COME OFF!!!
For real though this whole Baracky thing feels very very wrong and Europe is entirely too excited I think.
And Palestinians. Them too.
If the Zeropeans had any sense they’d be scared shitless. Baracky gets in the White House and very bad things are going to be happening on their doorstep and in their culled off guestworker slums. Not at all good for them is what it will be.
And I’ll just laugh and laugh at them then.
And can anyone give me details on O!’s proposed civilian security force?
That’s what the debates were for Jeffersonian.
Now, now, Lamontyoubigdummy, we need to face the reality. Barack likes scubbing the skin raw, or, rather picking at scabs of old wounds.
I’d almost suggest you look up NKVD for the details Jeffersonian, but that would be going a little too far. In fact, it could be as poorly backed by serious thought as Baracky’s off the cuff foreign policy making during the debates with Hillary. ‘Course, he claims that foreign policy is his strongest suit, does Baracky, cause he went to Columbia and studied in the International Relations Dept.
Just asking, is there now a requisite Protein Wisdom-speak that’s semi-Yoda, semi Shirley Temple? I can just picture you guys tweaking your cheek with your forefinger everytime you post. What’s up? Did I miss the barbecue?
Ya know I never bought into this Barack is the Anti-Christ stuff. But if he wins, I can see seven years of “trial & tribulation” for 49-51% of us at first…the rest of the world full-blown in about Baracky Presidential year three.
According to the Maya, the Hopi, I Ching, Nostradamus and some others, it ALL goes tits up in 2012.
You know what that means?
No more taxes!
Fuck you Obama!!!
Ah, I see now. I read an Anne Applebaum book on that fun bunch’s summer camps they ran for folks who didn’t measure up. I think they might even have been winter camps, too.
Can the Soros’ Tool available now at “The Home Depot” help you “GIRD YOUR LOINS”?
And can anyone give me details on O!’s proposed civilian security force?
Acorn squared.
Acorn squared.
Or ACORN with nice armbands.
Feeling queasy now.
On the “GIRD YOUR LOINS” thing I usually like to have a cigarette afterward. But in PA that cigarette thing has been banned.
My G-d O! supporters knocked on the door and asked if I needed hairplugs!
Did I miss the barbecue?
You betcha.
Or ACORN with nice armbands.
I read that their yearly conventions have a certain militaristic flair.
I don’t think so, SarahW.
Yeah, I know if hollywood did it all those records would be “present and reporting for duty”, accurate, first quality fakes.
This mess is just another leftist Democrat trying to hide inconvenient truths about his history. Same old, same old.
“I don’t think
so, SarahW.”fixed
I thought it was adorable to where I checked messenger to see if there was anyone I could send it to but no luck.
Seriously, dre, what don’t I think about? Convince me, in the face of your side’s attempts to create imaginary smears about Obama. No, you just reflexively stand your ground. It’s almost cute.
You don’t think it’s even slightly possible that the Baracky what takes office would be different than the Baracky what lives in your head?
I think you are the one with the imaginary O construct, Cynn. That “your side” thing, you always do that when you’ve had some scotch.
Happyfeet: I recognize that Barack Obama is a construct. He’s a product. Whether or not he can react to the looming financial disaster remains to be seen; McCain is in the same boat. I have already voted, but I am not optimistic about either candidate’s chances in this toilet bowl.
Baracky comes with bonus Harry and Nancy remember.
And what was up with that homoerotical picture Drudge had up of Baracky and Rahm?
Yah, I guess I get too heavy on the “your side” trope.
Not that any one can believe the polls,but here in Calif. prop 8 is supposedly leading “comfortably”.
And who do you think is voting for Prop 8??
Oh, and keep on digging up shit. It just makes YOUR SIDE look like stupes.
Yeah, ’cause too much information makes life difficult. Be glad you’re a Beta, those Alphas have to think and work way too hard…
Comment by cynn on 11/1 @ 7:08 pm #
“Did I miss the barbecue?”
Funny (not so much), there’s a lot of Jews asking the same question. More so, they’re now wondering is the motherfucking death barbecue coming again?
Voluntary “numbers on your arm tattoos” for/ against allegiance to “The One.”
LOAD. YOUR. WEAPONS.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/29/212558/98/530/646276
A guy named Tom emailed me this bit about the civilian security force:
What’s the HR number?
Sounds white.
HR 808.
Thanks, Jeff.
Kucinich — it figures.
dept. of peas
oh-wee-o
O-oh-
O-wee O
O-O
we march[cue the j-p-sousa]
march 4 hope
march 4 change
change u dope
change the pope
change the channel
chanel no. 5
splash ur flannel
try anal?
baboon butt ass-pad/doo-dad pro
flying monkeys butterfly ballot
cue the large lady
she may sing
ring dings
yodels..
devil dogs…
Jeff,
I wish to know “a guy named Tom,” and subscribe to his newsletter.
Fucking Immediately.
At least tell me where his bunker is.
Once Obama is elected, and the ObamaNazis have free reign of state records, well…
I swear, Tom and I will avenge your death.
WOLVERINES!!
Lots of U of M fans around now.
If you think the proof of his attending or graduating actually matters, you haven’t been paying attention since 1992 (at least). When 90%+ of the black population thinks OJ is innocent, the rest of the country was served notice that their was a deeper divide than logic, common sense, or intellect can account for. Those that abetted such lunacy salved their conscious in the short term and damaged the social framework forever. We are only beginning to pay that tab.
(obviously not aimed at Jeff since he can explain the complete lack of using silly things like facts, evidence, etc. a hell of a lot better than I can…wait… that didn’t come out right. I meant that in a good way.)
He’s not running to govern. He’s running to destroy the system.
“When 90%+ of the black population thinks OJ is innocent, the rest of the country was served notice that their was a deeper divide than logic, common sense, or intellect can account for.”
“Divide?” Really. That’s what you saw? A divide? With OJ I saw the most openly public display of gargantuan racism in 20 years.
Whad’a you know…Elle Driver (California Mountain Snake) was right. “Gargantuan” is fun to use in a sentence.
Ok, whities, get your militia on! OOF! You guys are comically transparent.
Ahhhhh… quit worrying so much. McCain wins with at least 300 EV’s on Tuesday.
Rioting begins in Grant Park before midnight, of course. It’s national block party night for the community organizers around the nation.
Clubat: If ya know that the polls are all over the place this year and that their internals are FUBARed, why doncha do yer own research instead of gettin’ all down and depressed by the polls that ya know are FUBARed?? There’s a certain whiff of insanity about that kinda thinkin’. Ya know that don’t ya? “The polls are wrong! …but I believe the polls!” Crazy talk.
“You guys are comically transparent.”
And you’re just…comical.
Thanks, Lamont, you just got me a raise.
for real, Warren B, there are going to be riots? I disagree. Would appreciate specifics. thx.
There will be riots whether Obama wins or loses, cynn.
Hell, there are riots when a team wins or loses the World Series or Super Bowl.
It’s cool cynn…I like sad clowns.
The “smiley” ones freak me the hell out.
No, no, no. You are seriously contemplating riots? No, are you guys serious? This has all been an amusing thought-fart until now, but for real??? OMG
Tell us that Wednesday morning, cynn.
“Thanks, Lamont, you just got me a raise.”
Which Obama is gonna tax 41% in various ways.
Enjoy what’s left… two movie tickets to a jackass Hollywood craptacular and 1/10th of a small popcorn.
Guess what Lamont. It don’t matter ‘cuz I’ll live on your couch. Luv you nervous nellies, but the hornzahonkin. Maybe we’ll interact before D-Day.
“You are seriously contemplating riots?”
If Super-Half Black, Marxy-Marx, Uberchrist don’t win?
Bet your $10 dollar ass cynn.
It isn’t us rightwing madmen predicting riots, cynn, but you southpaws.
“Guess what Lamont. It don’t matter ‘cuz I’ll live on your couch.”
Whatever.
You only get the half of the couch the dog naps on. And you can’t see the big screen good from there!
He bites, btw… on command.
Stay the fuck out’a the fridge.
You’re here on Obama’s free range tit only,… my house rules.
Suck on it.
Sources from both sides are saying that we could see as many as 130 million voters this year. Many credible sources say that 20% of Hillary’s 18 million voters will go for McCain. Those are votes that Gore and Kerry got but Obama won’t get. Other polls have as many as 1 in 7 voters who will more than likely change their votes on election day. Once ya do the math, Dem vs Rep vs Indie, that’s about 6-7 million votes. All other indicators are that most of those are Democrat votes which Gore and Kerry got that Obama won’t get. That kinda throws Gallup’s numbers out, right there. Active duty military are going for McCain at 4 and 5 to 1. That’s a couple million votes. Some sources state that independents are leaning McCain by as much as 4-1. That’s another 6-7 million, more than half of which Gore and Kerry got but Obama won’t.
In early voting, the young folks aren’t there for Obama, at least, not in the numbers his campaign and the media has claimed to have.
McCain campaign workers across the nation are extremely motivated and excited…and very young, over all.
There is also a lot of anecdotal evidence that McCain supporters in the general population have been very quiet, almost non-vocal, aside from McCain and Palin rallies, that is.
There are a number of other indicators that I look at, and they’re generally positive for McCain, but for now, one last thought: Have you noticed the general attitudes of McCain/Palin vs Obama/Biden?
McCain and Palin are very relaxed, smiling and very positive in their presentations, their demeanors/body language and bearing. Obama and Biden are just the opposite, uptight, nervous and verbally attacking the very demographics they need to vote for them? The internal polling of both campaigns is telling them something that the rest of us don’t know. Obama’s campaign is showing the pressure. The façade has cracked and is crumbling.
Erica Jong will not be pleased.
cynn,
The ILARNG got alerted everytime the Bulls won a championship. Why would we not be ready when there have been plenty of veiled hints (you have been reading this here site, right?) that a rejection of THE ONE would be met with violence. Do I think a lot of that is just hot air? Yes. Am I afraid that some of it is not. Yes.
Better ready than not. I mean, didn’t LA have riots over an NG in a police brutality trial? Doesn’t this mean more to so many people who have invested waaayyy too much emotion in this?
As for me, I am just trying to get out of the #$%&ing CENTCOM AOR and get home. I had enough shooting at yours truly, thanks.
Another indicator of something going on at the true grassroots level is the uptick in sales of firearms. Up by 25% in some areas. As much as 10% nation-wide, year over year. Many of those sales have been to first-time buyers. Guess who most of them will be voting for?
Major? Just stay out of the way of those damned big bumble bees, will ya? (I Almost slapped one out the air, once, before I realized just what it really was… Just sayin’. [Sgt USMC 1976-1983.)
Ok, whities, get your militia on! OOF! You guys are comically transparent.
~ King George III ~
“Active duty military are going for McCain at 4 and 5 to 1.”
To repeat myself, my son, Matt the Marine, told me that he knows not one Marine voting for the Messiah.
And Major, 3/8 is deploying to A-stan some time over the next ten days, MAGTF’s ground element.
Warren Bonesteel –
… ’83?
Did you ever serve in 4/11 or at Twentynine Palms??
I’m a cop in a mid-sized city in the Southeast. We’re going to twelve-hour shifts next week, and the crowd control team’s equipment truck is going to be pre-staged at HQ.
I tend toward thinking there won’t be riots (at least not major ones), but to deny that the possibility is being acknowledged and preparations are being made is just stupid.
All Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children goes to the Stumps.
My son and his buddy managed to blow up the mineret at Hadjitown.
Management was not pleased.
I still can’t get my head around this riots thing, just that I imagine if I don’t watching tv they won’t seem like all that big a deal. The turtles will still need feeding and I doubt me and Vista are gonna join hands in anti-riot solidarity and there’s Kwanzaa shopping to think about. I still want to give a go at learning how to make those salvadoran quesadillas.
*don’t watch* … tv has lost a lot of its charm I think.
When I was watching Reginald Denny get stomped next to his truck during the King riots, I had an overwhelming sense of deja vu going.
Since I’d never been pulled from my truck by a mob and beaten within an inch of my life, I looked closer at the TV set.
Florence and Imperial Avenue. The burning strip mall in the upper left hand corner of the screen was staked out by yours truly on the FIRST day I ever surveyed in the private sector. Staked out less than a year earlier.
South Central. It’s like Baghdad, but without the high class citizenry.
“National Security Force…just as well-funded”…will their shirts be brown??
Oh man, I may never get the chance to get into a nice re-education camp for my three squares and the bottom bunk…I may get my ass kicked.
TmjUtah
So much for private investment in blighted areas… people just burn it up. Figuratively and literally.
My favorite accidental survivor story in that riot was the white delivery guy who was so intent on checking addresses with his head out the window, that he failed to notice the riot he drove into until they bashed in the passenger window and tore him out of the truck.
I saw the whole thing coming on the helicopter news feed.
Luckily the guy just got robbed and punched a few times before the good people of the area rescued him and stuffed him in their church.
Luckily the guy just got robbed and punched a few times before the good people of the area rescued him and stuffed him in their church.
It is fitting to remember that if it wasn’t for a neighborhood good samaritan Reginald Denny would be dead.
Bobby Green, Titus Murphy, Terri Barnett, and Lei Yuille are their names.
I wouldn’t worry so much about them being on your lawn. They want your money!
I’m sure it wasn’t personal. Just bidniz, ya’ll.
ecause of the guilt. Knomsane?
#114
Even if he wins, there’s gonna be some riotin’. Count on it.
I wouldn’t worry so much about them being on your lawn. They want your money!
The lawn will be as close as they get at my house!
The media I don’t think knows if they want riots yet anyway. Baracky probably won’t tell them til last minute so they’ll have to prepare incitey stories even if they don’t end up using them. NPR can use tax dollars for that but the rest of Baracky’s media is just gonna be on the hook for it I guess.
My question is: What happens if the Obamessiah does a faceplant on Tuesday? I mean, the Democrats had this one in the bag up until the primaries. Had this been Hillary/Obama the acceptance speech would alreayd be put to bed.
People are talking about those who may try to blame Palin if McCain falls short (very very bad idea IMO, btw) what about the Clintons should Obama come up empty? Hillary is going to be Salome to his John the Baptist.
I agree with Jeff. No internet rumor is too crazy to consider. Doing otherwise is to play into their hands.
I think it’s spoiled dumbass college kids that are much more likely to riot if The Precious loses. Not inner city black folk.
Obama will lose, bank on it. Forces are aligning to ensure this outcome. The stakes are too high.
The key I think will be for McCain to get more votes than Baracky does.
And what will Barack do if he loses? He admits that he got really depressed when he lost the 2000 Congressional race to Bobby Rush. (The only race he ever lost.) Depressed people tend to lash out, in my experience.
And if it’s close, in spite of all the dead people, there’s always the courts, and recounts…
Baracky will be kind of surprised when he gets back to the Senate and no one treats him like a for real head of the party just a dopey unaccomplished socialist loser. When that happens he shouldn’t look at me for one of my encouraging chin-up there buddy smiles cause he should just know right now that I’m really not happy with his dirty socialist ass.
He’s gonna get the Nelson Muntz treatment from everybody buy Joey Hairplugs. Unless he becomes Dear Leader. That would suck.
Baracky will be kind of surprised when he gets back to the Senate and no one treats him like a for real head of the party just a dopey unaccomplished socialist loser.
Except he’ll still have lots of money, and the biggest damn voter database in the recorded history of the world — even after they purge the doo-dads, etc.
I think it’s spoiled dumbass college kids that are much more likely to riot if The Precious loses. Not inner city black folk.
There’s no “level of education” sensor on any weapon that I own, and I can’t seem to find an “after market” product that would give me that capability. Looks like I’ll have to go by the old “anyone who tries to damage my property or hurt my family” method of determining their true intent.
Except he’ll still have lots of money, and the biggest damn voter database in the recorded history of the world  even after they purge the doo-dads, etc.
Hopefully that money will be spent on lawyers trying to keep his ass out of jail for all the campaign finance/ACORN bullshit he has been perpetrating. Hopefully.
I disagree. I plan on pointing and laughing throughout his presidency, should he have the dire misfortune to actually win on Tuesday.
TmjUtah, I flew in and out of the Stumps once or twice in ’83. I was an airdale on Helos. Did a couple of short DETS there before that, though. One DET as a LCpl was one of the weirdest things I’d ever seen. It was like people were switching MOS’s during the exercise…I actually ended up humping a mortar plate during a arty ‘raid,’ but the Stumps – and the Marine Corps – was kinda like that back then. Anything could happen …and usually did. heh.
Now, back to Obama: Get out and vote, people. Drag everyone you can find to the polling stations and vote. Make a day of it. Have coffee and breakfast with some friends, pile in the car together, go vote, do the whole pool party thing or have an impromptu block party and watch the election results together.
Make nice with the neighbors. One of these days pretty soon, you may have to put together an ad hoc shotgun brigade to protect yourselves and your families and to hunt down looters.
Riots. Hell yes. The Obamanauts will either run through the streets with glee or fear. Either way, I’m gonna blast em with my shotty. IF they happen to be black, I’m sure I’ll be charged with a “hate” crime. Country FIRST!
No, no, Gary. Moby was a whale, not a wildebeest.
Breakfast was depressing with the old ladies with big saggy tits in their too-small Baracky t-shirts. For some reason it helped me avoid the carbs though easy. Just the one corn tortilla.
“One of these days pretty soon, you may have to put together an ad hoc shotgun brigade to protect yourselves and your families and to hunt down looters.”
I’ve taught several of my neighbors to reload their own over the years, and some actually have dies and components that they use on my equipment by appointment.
But since I’ve gotten into this Mosin rifle thing, I’m pretty sure that whatever neighborhood militia might evolve in the future, it will very likely have “Guards” somewhere in the unit title.
All the people that I know who are intending to or have already voted for O! are historically ignorant and disinterested in who or what Obama is or intends to do. It’s about “hope” and “new optimism” and *my favorite* “you might (oh baby you have no idea what is coming!) be surprised!”.
I live in Utah, and one of these people is my wife. Funny thing is, she immediately and without reservation rejected any thought of surrendering any Team iron if the government asked… or came looking … for it. Bullets first, as it were. Funny old world.
1982 at the Palms was the first year that Reagan funding began to hit. What you participated in was the first mass deployment and live fire exercise held on and around Twentynine Palms, Fort Irwin, and the Navy ranges down around Chocolate Mountain since the 1970’s. It was a ten week long cluster flock for us who were stationed there; we hosted just about every 1st MarDiv regiment and FSSG det in addition to as many of the 4th MarDiv reservists units from west (or close to west) of the Mississippi, all over the ten week period.
I was in an eight inch Howitzer SP outfit; I seem to remember we turned in our SP’s in favor of six or eight 105mm towed howitzers after about six weeks. For a short while we were supporting two different exercises by setting up between the two training areas and firing one platoon of four one way and the second facing 3200 the other way.
I was captured by 5th Marines, while out surveying. They took all our gear away and made us ride in the back of a broken down amtrak that was being towed by a retriever. The top gates were open, and we didn’t even recognize the two booming blurs that raced by about fifty feet above us, and were still trying to figure it out when the CS/diesel fog settled on us.
It would have been nice to have had an M17 between the six of us; before we were done barfing the stuff washing around inside our ‘trac was almost up to our boot laces.
God I miss those days.
Pray for our country. It’s worth it.
I don’t count black beans.
About seven years ago, Cincinnati erupted into riots after an off-duty police officer (working security at a downtown club), chased a young man who had warrants for his arrest. After chasing the man into an alley, the officer believed the man drew a weapon. He fired to defend himself, killing the man.
(Following numbers are rough, from memory, but close.)
Those justifying the riots repeatedly cited “fifteen young black men murdered” by Cincinnati police. The cases cited, when looked at more carefully, boiled down to twelve cases of self-defense or the defense of others and three questionable cases. The questionable cases had been investigated, prosecuted when warranted, and prison sentences when convicted.
Statistically, if you were a young black man in Cincinnati, you were something like 99 times more likely to be killed by another young black man than by a Cincinnati policeman. Yet the Cincinnati police were made out to be the villains — an effort that went so far that CNN had “satellite problems” when the head of the local FoP started reciting the facts of the “fifteen”.
We’ve seen an incredible amount of media myth-building around Obama. How many times have people said things to the effect that the only reason Obama could lose is racism? How hard has the press worked to hide the reasons people may not want to vote for Obama? How hard have they worked to create the impression that an Obama victory is “inevitable”?
I’ve not heard anyone on the right threaten riots. On the other hand, there have been at least three months of various people — typically nutcases, but too many of those nutcases have what should be (supposedly) respectable media jobs — threatening violence should Obama lose.
It only makes sense to be prepared for riots. It’s like seeing a week of heavy rains and preparing for a flood.
Do carry on with that. But I meant from his Senate colleagues.
“Florence and Imperial Avenue.”
Impossible since both run east-west. Florence and Normandie.
“South Central. It’s like Baghdad, but without the high class citizenry.”
Don’t forget that some of the “high-citizenry” saved Denny’s life as will.
will=well
baldilocks –
Thanks for the correction, ma’am. It’s been a while.
I’ve served on five continents. Living and working in LA basin construction environment was indistinguishable from a prison sentence except for the fact that we were paying rent. I saw more thoughtless waste and violence there than I did anyplace else I’d ever been to on the planet.
The town struck me as an assault on what “middle class” was meant to be – family, finances, and futures. On what my experience had been up until that time.
I was not sorry to leave.
#149
And therein lies the tragedy. The vast majority of the people that lived/live in South Central were not in the streets, but cowering in their homes, afraid to go out.
If there is to be a national discourse on race in this country, there is going to have to be a come to jesus amoung the black community on just how and who is representing black culture.