Let’s call it, oh, I dunno: SPEAKERGATE?
Apparently, on Obama’s released tax records, he discloses income from speaking fees. The problem? Accepting payment for speaking fees when you’re a legislator is against Illinois state law.
Apparently, as an Illinois state legislator through 2004, Barack was prohibited from taking honoraria for speaking under the Illinois Governmental Ethics Act.
But what about Barack Obama’s 2000 and 2002 tax returns?
2000: On his 2000 Schedule C-EZ, Barack reported that he received $16,500 as a “Foundation director/Educational speaker.â€Â
2001: On his 2001 Schedule C-EZ, Barack reported $98,158 from a Chicago law firm, Miner, Barnhill, for “Legal services/attorney†(and nothing for speaking).
2002: On his 2002 Schedule C, Barack reported $34,491 for “LEGAL SERVCES / SPEAKING FEES.â€Â
These “speaking fees†are in addition to the amounts that Barack was paid as an employee, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, reported on the first page of his 1040s.
That’s not change we can believe in.
To be frank, I’m not up on Illinois Senate ethics law (though in a pinch, I can pass for an expert, provided the Senator in question has, say, beaten a hooker to death with a Senate gavel, eg), so I’m offering this link with the hope that someone with more knowledge about such things than I will dig a bit deeper.
But if in fact it turns out that Obama did violate Illinois Senate ethics standards, the question will be this: how did the major media vetting process miss something so obvious — even as they were able to easily find and breathlessly publish tax liens on Joe the Plumber, or salacious information about snowbilly tanning beds?
And yes, that was a rhetorical question.
Another interesting tidbit: in 2004, Michelle Obama made $121,900 as an “administrator” at U of C Hospital. In 2005 as an “administrator,” she made $316,962. In between, Barack becomes a US Senator.
YES WE CAN — AND YES WE DID, BITCHES!
(h/t STACLU)
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From the comments at Volokh, two possibles out for Obama:
It looks to me like Obama reported income in merged categories which in each case included “speaking fees” as one alternative. That means that it is possible that he didn’t actually receive any income in the form of speaking fees. The income reported under the heading “Foundation director/Educational speaker” could all be income as a foundation director. It is also possible that the speaking was part of the duties in the first category, e.g. that such speaking as he did was in his capacity as a foundation director, in which case he may well not have been considered to be taking speaking fees.
It would seem that further information is needed before reaching the conclusion that he received speaking fees in contravention of the Illinois legislative rules.
— and:
It’s possible though that the speaking fees reported are exempt from 2‑110(a). The exceptions most likely to be applicable are the 2-100(b) exception for travel and lodging expenses and the 2-100(b)(ii) exception for an “agent’s fee or commission,” whatever that means. The exception for charitable donations on behalf of the speaker could also apply; I doubt the exception for campaign contributions does.
— answered appropriately by another commenter:
It’s easy enough to clear up. Show the invoices or other materials that support the income, and since none of those will involve speaking for a fee, the matter is cleared as being an innocent shorthand on the tax form.
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The point is that the media doesn’t undertake objective research or reporting.Fake but accurate.
This is precisely the case. On its face, we are looking at what appears to be an ethics violation, if only superficially. It may be nothing but accounting shorthand — or exorbitant travel expenses (ironic that, given Obama’s going after Gov Palin’s per diem) — but the real shame is, the press doesn’t bother to probe, even as national newscasts led with stories about Joe the Plumber’s tax problems ($1200?), as if those problems somehow negated his point that “spreading the wealth around” is a frighteningly socialistic statement.
The press may very well have some clarification and have decided this is a non-story (though to believe so is giving them more credit than they’ve earned of late); but ask yourself: would they have been so forgiving had, say, Governor Palin been the subject in question?
For christ sake probe it already. Give it a colonoscopy.
We know the MSM won’t. Much to my shock, the Dallas Morning News endorsed McCain. Drudge had a headline last night that the Dallas paper would endorse O!
Suck it, Drudge.
I’ll call my Illinois bureau chief, cynn, have him send in a squad of investigative reporters.
*embarrassed shuffling of feet*
Wasn’t the whole point of PJM to erm have uh ‘citizen journalists’ to, you know, be like exactly that, Jeff?
Obama can break no law. He’s practically already on the (imaginary) black Mr. Rushmore. I reads it in Time ragazine. Please desist in your racist criticism.
The Entertainer from “The Sting”
Obama is the law.
Spread the wealth
of information!So I was told at the time, urthshu. Now I’m pretty sure it’s to have a TV station filled with previously niche conservative pundits.
I liked the part in “The Sting” where Doyle is given bad info so that he bets on the wrong horse.
You know the Parkers, Noonans et al are the chums that Gondorff placed into his “gaming parlor”. A ’70’s movie to get a ’30’s backdrop.
So I was told at the time, urthshu. Now I’m pretty sure it’s to have a TV station filled with previously niche conservative pundits.
Then they’ll probably end up like MSNBC for John Birchers, bitching about fluoride in tap water!
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr….
I wish I had something more important to say, but I don’t. I’m just sitting here, getting mad.
As long as somebody’s doing something with that valuable marketing phenom, I have no grounds for complaints.
What the PJM folks are trying to do similar to what happened with underground newspapers back in the 60s and 70s.
When Rolling Stone came along, giving advertising departments the ability to reach their desired demographic without the concomitant risk of the board of directors stubbing their eyes on a Bernardine Dohrn “kill and sodomize your parents” editorial, the market segment consolidated. A lot.
Will that happen again? I don’t think so, at least under the current regulatory environment (all bets are off if the Messiah takes office). The barriers to entry are much too low.
The barriers to making a profit, unfortunately, are as high as they ever were.
Here’s a question: how many people here read “Pajamas Media” as a whole, the way you’d read The Wall Street Journal or Discover? Not many, I bet.
Which isn’t income and need not be reported at all. So while that might make sense in terms of the ethics law and the taking of funds, it doesn’t explain the reported income.
Indeed wasn’t the whole point of “The Sting” was Hooker’s need to take down the system that was Lonnegan. To get back at Lonnegan for the death of his friend? The O! has surrounded himself with communists so does he take the “man” down for his “friend”?
You know knocking heads in Chicago is easier than in DC. Ask Bush/Clinton?
1) I would love to know how much and to what charitable organizations the Chosen gave. Just saying, they were not exactly hurting. Love to know how much spread’n they did.
2) I gave up on PJM when they kept fucking with the main page. Became too difficult to find anything. I had even corresponded with Roger Simon briefly at the time of the launch. Living in France, I had little in the way of info except the net. But yeah….
Everyone’s whipped into a frenzy. Typical.
Short enough for a bumpersticker:
“Once again, John McCain is fighting communism”.
“Everyone’s whipped into a frenzy. Typical.”
Funny how the “frenzy” includes alot of O!bots beating people, stoning McCain offices and filing false voter registrations.
I’ll give you the ACORN shit, but show me the beatings and stompings, lying shithead.
How is he supposed to do that when you refuse to click on a friggin’ hyperlink, cynn?
I don’t know how to hyperlink, and what would I point to? I’m calling his shit out; I don’t need to address anything.
Those “orange things”, as you call them, cynn. You know the ones that, when you click on them, take you to another web page that has the information you wanted?
Jesus fucking Christ, cynn. You have no business operating a computer.
Where? In this thread? Seems to be some rather tepid stuff, much of it about PJM.
Maybe you’re just getting really sensitive.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/
So I caught family guy tonight and they managed to do two things: 1)say the Iraq war was fought for oil and 2)call McCain/Palin Nazis {scene were Stewie/dog go back in time, steal Nazi uniforms, Aha! the uniform has a McCain/Palin button on it. Liberalism in the form of socialism and the semantic deconstruction of Western Civilization are the fucking establishment. They are legion and they spit on whatever America stood for.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_593761.html
Upon review, I saw no such relevant orange things in your or any other post. Thanks for the color refresher.
dre just gave you one.
Now read it.
And this whole Messiah thing is starting to make a lot more fucking sense by the day. Obama very well may have broke Illinois ethics laws, but outside of the select purveyors of conservative blogs, no one will no and no one will suspect cuz they haven’t been given the appropriate context from whither the ‘creature’ Obama came. Obama will erase the need for accomplishments for prez, i.e. if he wins in 2008 and in 2020 some schmo who wins the hit new reality show ‘The Next America President,’ he’s got the defense, “well Obama did it.” Obama will eliminate the need to exhibit patriotism, egalitarianism, etc for prez. IF he wins, he will change the nature of the presidency to something decidedly non-American, not really even European, cuz in Europe they don’t just decide to give away 1/13 of GDP over a decade out of some asshole notion of fairness. Fuck, rant off.
link
You guys are not only graping
oh shut up cynn
There was the vet who stepped out of his truck to stop a couple of O! cultists vandalizing a McCain sign and got punched to the ground and kicked for his troubles. There is the woman who had the McCain sign ripped out of her hands and then the O! cultist beat her on the head and face with the sign pole…when cops arrested him he blamed her because she should have known better than to enrage him with that racist sign. Then there’s the vandalizing of Republican headquarters. Then there’s the man, helping seniors vote, who called out his counterpart who was making her seniors vote for O! against their wishes…she jumped on his back screaming and trying to punch him.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg for violence against Us Racists who haven’t Gotten With the O! Program. Don’t you know, cynn, Racists don’t deserve constitutional rights. We are on the “wrong side of history” and if a O! cultist has to “get in our face” as the Holy Leader has decreed, any bleeding is our own fault.
You guys are not only graping
No wine here tonight, cynn. You?
Jeff,
“‘spreading the wealth around’ is a frighteningly socialistic statement”
It’s not frightening to our priests in the Established Church of the Media/Academy/Govbureaucracy. Besides, socialism is just communism without all the yucky stuff, which is what Jesus wanted, which you’d know if you weren’t so obsessed with denying women choice and gays the holy matrimony God intended them to enjoy! Snowbilly clue-not-haver!
Sorry. You guys are not only grasping at straws, you are doing something bad that is furniture-related.
Seven-Eleventy,
“Then they’ll probably end up like MSNBC for John Birchers, bitching about fluoride in tap water!”
No, I think you’re thinking of MSNBC.
I hold Obama personally responsible for what happens @ Grant Park Chicago on the night of 11/4/08.
o God, these assholes will have 4 years to do whatever the hell they want. Some have said that if inflation gets out of control the media will turn on O!, but I don’t think they’ll ever turn on him. Their broadcast towers and nice Manhattan buildings will be crumpled dust before they turn against the O!, because the journalists are the same nasty people who had the Malcom X posters on their wall in college and read and loved Marx and Alinsky and saw that stupid fucking movie about Abbie Hoffman and probably stole his book.
The only defense we have against these fucks are historians like VDH, but when the O! crowd gets word that he’s writing his last “contrary” history before he passes on, they’ll be sure to pay him a visit and make sure that old racist gets a couple bricks through his window. But the medias got congressional seats to pick up for the dems so they’ll do an hour special on all the Republican sex scandals of the past decade.
Darleen: I assume you are standing on a corner somewhere in California looking for domestic help, so I won’t address you directly: Fuck You.
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“Comment by cynn on 10/19 @ 9:28 pm #
Darleen: I assume you are standing on a corner somewhere in California looking for domestic help, so I won’t address you directly: Fuck You.”
Geez my tax dollars paid for that eloquence.
dre: Well, give the rest of these tax dollars and maybe I’ll shut up.
cynn
Like Sarah, I do my own housework, yard work, too. Funny how you reached for a little bit of classism.
Why are you ignoring O! cultist violence, cynn? Something you need to confess?
dre
cynn is awaiting that day next year when she can turn in her neighbors to O! and receive a portion of their earnings for herself.
I don’t know what you’re talking about, Darleen. I take care of my own household. You seem a bit too concerned with the rest of us. As in, freedom of choice.
Heh, speaking of leftist violence…Bush gave a speech in my home town a while back, after picking my 16 yr old sister up from high school we drove by and saw a raving group of code pinkos across the street from a group waving flags, got out to observe, walked over to the leftists, starting talking. Some were pleasant, others outright douchebags. One guy in a beret doesn’t like the fact that I like Bush (mostly) and gets in my face, screaming. I’m just laughing. Sister gets in middle attempts to break it up, beret guys pushes my 16 year old sister. Cracked that motherfucker in the face 3 times, broke his nose.
cynn
When you ignore the O! fascist thuggery against dissenters and support an ideology that will punish the earners and reward sloth, then attempt to say I’m against liberty is a classic case of projection.
Own it, dear, you’re trying to justify to yourself your own coveting of your neighbor’s property.
As in, freedom of choice.
Yeah, good luck with that under O!, cynn.
Remember, Obama will require you to work!
good for you, dash. way to teach your kids how to confront the pigs of all persuasions. it’s all about violence at all costs, because anything less is net zero.
Nah cynn, when you strike a girl because of your political anger, you better know what’s coming.
The media is hoping that if they kiss enough O! butt they will be subsidized under the new administration. Otherwise they will all be losing their jobs sometime next spring.
That is called spreading the wealth.
Derek
Putney Swope.
“The changes I’m going to make will be minimal. I’m not gonna rock the boat. Rockin’ the boat’s a drag. What you do is sink the boat!”
Robert Downey overdubbed the voice of ‘Putney Swope’ with his own.
There’s a frighteningly timely lesson buried in that piece of trivia somewhere.
Dig for it, people.
FYI, this stuff has been thoroughly vetted already, guys. Do you really think nobody has dug through Obama’s tax returns with a microscope until 17 days before the election?
As defined in the statute, an honorarium is a payment for an appearance or speech. (“An” is important here: it’s a one-off. The one-off distinction is critical.)
In 2000, Obama was serving his last year as foundation director (I’ve also seen “chairman” reported) of the Chicago Annenburg Challenge, funded by Walter Annenburg. (This has been reported endlessly. :-)) That’s almost certainly what the $16,500 was from, and it’s regular employment that started in 1995. Because 2000 was his last year, that’s why you see nothing comparable in 2001.
As for 2002, that’s already been reported extensively in the Los Angeles Times back in April. (You can still find the article via Google.) From March, 2001, until April, 2002, Electronic Knowledge Interchange employed Obama on a retainer as their legal advisor. He was paid $8,000 per month. That accounts for $32,000 of the $34,491 reported in 2002. (Of the $98,158 in 2001, $80,000 was from EKI, starting in March, 2001.) All the EKI payments in both years went through Miner, Barnhill & Galland, the law firm where he worked. The balance ($2,491) reflects Obama’s other legal work at the firm before he left in April, 2002 (as the $18,158 balance did for 2001). EKI was his biggest client by far. I’m just spelling all this out for completeness, but the Los Angeles Times verified the $34,491 as coming from Miner, Barnhill & Galland.
Note again there’s no Illinois prohibition on “speaking.” (That’s what lawyers do, after all, on behalf of their clients and employers. And that’s what education foundation directors do.) There’s no problem putting that word on your tax return. The speaking just can’t be one-off, because one-off remuneration drifts into the appearance of impropriety. Quite simply, you cannot have ad hoc speaking relationships as a state legislator under Illinois law. But that’s not what happened here. In both cases Obama was regularly employed, and his employers were very well known (at the time and especially now): the Chicago Annenburg Challenge (1995-2000) and Miner, Barnhill & Galland (up until 2002).
Zack
what you say may indeed be true, but claiming that Obama has been “vetted” is demonstratively false.
Now it looks like Obama’s infamous refusal to be transparent on his record contributions also show disturbing trends.
Europe and other foreign donors are trying to influence American politics, and they are doing it with illegal contributions.
Putney Swope stole the money too, after everybody figured nobody was stupid enough to vote for the black dude.
26. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/19 @ 9:04 pm #
Jesus fucking Christ, cynn. You have no business operating a computer.
Fuck that. How does a guy still filing EZs as late as four years ago, C or other, well into married adulthood, have any business trying to dictate economic policy??!!
“Obama Broke Illinois Ethics Laws As A State Legislatorâ€Â
Noooo. Get out of town! Really?
Jeff – the press, they are busy. They may have missed a Cindy McCain prescription somewhere in the last 23 years…
I stopped bothering to pay for fishwrap from Chicago – the Tribune will fight in court to get Ryan’s sealed divorce records opened, but have consistently limned the halo around our junior Senator since he was an up and “present” voting State Senator. This from a “conservative” paper…
What in the Devil am I returning home to?
cynn, I’m feeling left out: Maybe if I merely observed that O! was obviously — but messianically — competing for most ethically contemptible and opaque presidential candidate so far, would you get all emotional and pissy with me too?
Oh, I don’t doubt someone has. Whether it’s been reported or not, that’s another issue. I mean, the press has spent more time on Joe the Plumber’s tax returns than on Obama’s.
No doubt they’re “skulking neocons”.
I have seen more interviews with this plumber than with Bill Ayers. You would think they would go and ask him of their relationship. Too much effort I guess.
Maj. John, what you are returning home to, IMHO, is Civil War II. It’s noteworthy that the incidents of violence against Republicans haven’t been happening in TX. Of course, that might have something to do with deadly force being lethal in defense of you, your neighbors, your property, or your neighbors’ property.
cynn and her crew of O!bots don’t like facing opponents who can effectively resist.
lethal AND legal.
Prolly not, JHoward. Sobered up by now, she is.
Prolly not, JHoward. Sobered up by now, she is.
I’d be willing to bet that sobriety wouldn’t make her any more coherent.
In case you missed this week’s issue of the Army Times here are the results of the Army Times’ poll of Military personnel re the election (in percent):
McCain Obama
Overall 68 23
Army 68 23
Navy 69 24
Air Force 67 24
Marines 75 18
Retirees 72 20
White Non-Hispanic 76 17
Hispanic 63 27
Black/African-American 12 79
Enlisted 67 24
Officers 70 22
Somehow I missed seeing this in the New York Times
yokel – You will never see it in the MSM. It is not relevant to their narrative.
Racists.
Of course that was completely off topic, but I had to share it. :-)
How dare you point that out, sjy!!! You, the Army Times, and the pigment deficient military are racists all.
What about the Hispanics, Pablo? Don’t they count as pigment enriched any more? :-)
Makes me proud thanks Slack. Least I know I will have some friends on the inside to help me shine up my jackboots come the new regime.
Also, 12 percent of sufficiently pigmented military members are racist as well. Which is how you can tell that America is a deeply racist country. Unless they elect Obama. Twice.
Inauthentic pigmentation, S,B&P. They, and you, are racists.
yokel,
The Army Times isn’t exactly a conservative paper either. Not actively ‘Left’ either – they probably belong to the category of “shit-stirrers”, to quote my Scottish friends.
I wouldn’t really put much stock in anything they report – good seeming or bad.
Well who caresa about that poll I want to know about Joe the plumbers GPA in high school. Seriously where are our prioritites?
Has anyone checked JTP’s mattresses for tags? I’ll bet he took ’em off and hated some black folks while he was doing it. I also don’t understand why we haven’t seen the tax records of Cindy McCain’s first boyfriend and all of Todd Palin’s cousins.
MAJ (P) John: I agree entirely about the Times. The only time I ever read it is to check how much of a fogey I’ll get come January — the pay scales are usually fairly accurate.
And I forgot to denounce myself as a militaristic, jingoistic racist. I do so retroactively.
I understand that JtP got a poor mark in “deportment” on his second grade report card. Anyone have confirmation on that?
Yeah the only part about the Army Times I ever enjoyed were the letters to the editor. Much more colorful than a regular papers. Can’t really get to read someone bitching about how hot the inside of an up armored Hummer gets in the LA Times.
Honestly, I’m getting so sick of explaining that the right isn’t RACIST for not supporting Obama. It was kinda funny for a while, joking that everything was seen through the prism of racism. Comment from my blog regarding O’s campaign contributions:
Obama supporters probably should take a look at Obama’s campaign contributions. But, you know what… they probably won’t. Because they are too busy being appalled at McCain and his Republican supporters being so hateful with their racial attacks. You and the rest of the anti-Obama blogosphere have helped Obama more than you’ll ever know with the ridiculous “terrorist” connections and hate-speak. You’ve managed to steer the campaigns in a racial-hate direction against your own best interests. Keep it up!
Proof positive that the left is firmly in control of “teh narrative.”
But…But…But…Jeff G,
O!s very spoken words are priceless! How could they be sullied by affixing any filthy cash value to them…
And…And…And…Andrea Mitchell has informed me that while the word of O! is both priceless and transformative, the only ones interested in the words of Joe are, you know, eeeeeeeevil, socialist hatin’, race baitin’, RethugliKKKans!
I mean, how can you compare this to the hick, rube trailer-trash, bitch, non-Ivy-Leaguer Palin’s firing of her PSC??? The guy who, you know, served at the Governors pleasure and discretion…Who cares if it may appear that O! broke the law; Palin’s husband made phone calls to people, man!!! How can you even compare the two!!! And besides, you know that O! being both a liberal, and a player/member of the most trump group in the identity card deck, cant possibly break the law; he is above the petty laws of men, bein’ the messiah and all…
And even mentioning Michelle’s raise; the one that just coincidentally came to pass when O! was elevated to the US senate and put in a position to shovel pork directly to her employers…
Well I just don’t see how that could possibly help Michelle’s kids any…
I dunno Jeff, questioning the actions or motives of the Pope of PC, the grand poo-bah of progressives, make me start to think you might just be…
A RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!
Well I guess that makes me one too…
He’s a gay, handicapped transsexual?
Handicapped is out. Trans-sexual is the new paraplegic.
Black > LGBT > Filipino > Southeast Asian > Elephant > White
Native Alaskan is out by virtue of association with that whore. You know the one.
gay, handicapable transtesticle of Asian, African, and French descent.
French? WHITE PRIVILEGE! UNCLEAN!
Acorn is the Dems version of Jeffrey Maier.
Just imagine, for a moment, the mass hysteria that the MSM would be in were this kind of issue to be raised about a Republican.
Well JD imagine if a Rep pledged in written and verbal form to take public funding for his campaign if his opponent did but then broke his word when he discovered he could raise 150 million a month. Somehow I doubt they would just report his financing in glowing terms like the AP but would qualifying it with either “Is he trying to buy the presidency?” or “Months after breakins his pledge”.
Mr. Pink – Good point. Great point. Nary a whisper from those that are deemed to be truth seekers.
There would be documentaries and hour long specials on CBS followed by a movie. The luminaries of Hollywood we lament it in their Oscar acceptance speeches.
we=would
Talking like this could go on forever.
What would happen if McCain sat in an all white church for 20 years with a preacher who shouted “Jews greed runs a world in need” and wrote about it glowingly in an autobiography.
What would happen if McCain had helped an abortion clinic bomber appropriate government funds from the government in order to fund teaching programs for children that pushed a right wing ideology.
What would happen if McCain had made real estate deals with a convicted felon that allowed him to collect hundreds of thousands of dollars and how would this have effected the mortgage crisis coverage.
What would have happened if Cindy McCain’s salary had doubled upon McCain being elected to the Senate in 2004.
What if McCcain had called someone a typical black person.
This is just too easy and could go on forever in a bitch session.
Sadly, true.
You’re right of course Mr Pink and the question at this point is rhetorical. They’d call him a Nazi of course, but they’re already doing that now in popular prime tv cartoons (FG).
I do not think they would call him anything. He would have long ago been hounded out of the Repub party by everyone. Probably before he won a single primary.
OH yeah and for some reason I do not think they would look too kindly on McCain establishing the worlds largest lawfirm.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.hk4HvCkpiE&refer=home
Republican money bad. Democrat money good. It is all about the intentions.
An Ivy League professor gets his hands a student and most likely that student won’t be any smarter than he was going in. The student’s common sense could even suffer.
Of course that professor should make over $250K.
You take that same professor and clog up his toilet, without a plumber he’s shitting in a bucket in his garage by Tuesday.
And the plumbing businesses are not allowed to make over $250K.
Elitist tools. Elitists make their own rules, and follow none.
#105
In that scenario, alp, we will all receive our Hope Bucket for Change with detailed instructions for Unity Through Shared Excretion. Because if a perfesser has to void into a bucket, so should we all. Lest we be sent to the local Center for Hope and Change Through Work and Education as gettin’ uppity and above our raisin’.
“Republican money bad. Democrat money good. It is all about the intentions.”
One starts to think, with justification, that Republicans are being phased out. “Um, sorry guys, well you see you just can’t do these things anymore, but we, um, can. So everything you do will receive scrutiny an order of magnitude greater than when we do it. Also, you see, we’re gonna accuse you of the stuff we plan do, like say vote fraud, even if you didn’t do it, so like when we do it and you complain, we’re like hey those schmucks did it first so we’re cool. HBO will make a movie about it too.”
This would be sad, were it not true.
Like I said Acorn is the Democrats version of Jeffrey Maier.
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Maier
Biden the cipher:
“ABC News’ Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.”
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,†Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.â€Â
At Hot Air
Now we can play the “what if an (R) said it” game, you’d have pundits across the board wailing “wag the dog” scenarios and manufactured crises in order to shore up support.
I figure he is preparing to continue having troops in Iraq.
Dash – Again, it would be sad, were it not true. Good Allah.
Well, Dash, the sad fact is, it’s true. Kinda like the Chinese ramming our surveillance plane shortly after Bush took office — it was a test to see what they could get away with under the new president. The same’ll happen with whoever is the next president.
Dash, I just read that, and for the life of me I can’t understand how anybody can think this idiot has any foreign policy credibility. He is the greatest example of the Peter Principle evah!
They’re setting the groundwork for Obama SUCKING. In his stump speeches, he keeps saying that Rethugs have fraked things up so bad, it’s going to take a long time to fix. And now this.
But, really Dash, that is amazing that Biden said that.
Yea the paranoid in me says that Obama would pull all the troops out ASAP, but I doubt that after he reads a few intelligence briefs he could be so rash. No, he’d rather take the credit for victory and his media will willingly give him the assist.
But, what it reveals Rob – is that those fuckers KNOW that a president has to make decisions that appear unpopular to the general (uninformed) public. That’s been their DRUM beat for the last 7 years. Second guessing has been their strategy.
O, I def agree that Obama will be tested by some manufactured crisis if he wins, but I guess I was going for the “case study in media bias” angle, i.e. “RethugliKKKans are playing the politics of fear yet again,” although Biden delivers this statement inartfully enough as to support McCain.
O goody:
“We learned at this morning’s Stop Obama Rally here that the McCain/Palin Straight Talk Express came through town yesterday. It arrived with a window shattered by a .22 caliber weapon. It had also been hit by an unknown number of paint balls from a paint ball gun or guns. There were reportedly no injuries and neither candidate was on board.”
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if only one semanticleo comment plus another semanticloe comment equaled sense.
maggie – one negative Miss KKKleo comment, followed by another negative Miss KKKleo comment should yield a positive comment. Asking it to be coherent or to make sense would require some type of Calculus or quantum mathematics not yet discovered.
semanticleo fears the coherence.
and the mathematics.
also, I find it more than a little disturbing that cleo seems disappointed I’m not interested in S&M.
knock it off, seriously.
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WTF are you talking about?
“The 22 rimfire is the most popular rifle in America. Almost every hunter and shooter has at least one 22 caliber rimfire in their collection, and many have several.”
HERE
“It arrived with a window shattered by a .22 caliber weapon.”
??? so you’re fine with sexually harrassing me? okay.
While ‘cleo, as he’s revealed here before, longs to hold the whip. He dreams of the day when the US once more has involuntary service, as he believes he’ll be holding the whip.
It’s better sourcing than the “kill him” crap.
I swears, if we ever find a lefty that can debate with coherence, we should put ’em on a payroll or something.
Filed by Mark Williams in Raton, New Mexico
Mark Williams is a columnist for the Sacramento Union
I’m inclined to believe it given the actions of Obama supporters thus far. When more comes out, I’ll link it.
“knock it off, seriously.’
If you want….but there’s no going back.
Hey perv. Find some other place with like-minded individuals. Do you go to Pampered Chef parties with your balls hanging out?
BEAT THAT STRAWMAN, CLEO!
Doesn’t he look really manly when he does that?
I thought Miss KKKleo was a chick. It is hard to tell, that PRE traumatic stress disorder causes it to be all over the board.
JD, Cleo pointed out a while back that there was a “Leo” in his screen name. It’s just fun to pretend he’s a she.
You just can’t give up the straw men. I know it makes you feel better to think I believe these things, but really?
Let’s See:
-Molotov Cocktails at McCain supporter’s house
-Obamabot smashes woman holding McCain sign in NYC
-Vandalism of Rep. offices
-Bombing/Vandalism of military recruiting stations
It’s absolutely in character for a lefty to take shots at a McCain bus.
RTO thinks so too. whatevs. on the interwebs nobody knows you’re a dog.
I told you JD! Leo. Semantic Leo. 5’6″ 225 lbs. (all gut). Bald. Hairy back and shoulders. Protruding lower lip. Porn aficionado.
JD, Cleo pointed out a while back that there was a “Leo†in his screen name. It’s just fun to pretend he’s a she.
Gender wouldn’t affect its stupidity.
I used to call it Syntactic Virgo, back in the day.
Of course, I don’t see it any more.
Lest you forget the Weather Underground, that famous lefty terrorist group. Hey, what’s a Republican presidential candidate’s life worth compared to the long march of history, right?
JD, Cleo pointed out a while back that there was a “Leo†in his screen name. It’s just fun to pretend he’s a she.
Gender doesn’t affect its stupidity.
pron.
alppuccino – EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
So, essentially, MissKKKleo is an androgynous transtesticled twatwaffle?
Yikes!!!
Comparing MissKKKleo to a person is a derogation. Get some help with that PRE-traumatic stress disorder, you he/she/it.
More like a hermaphroditic two-headed douchenozzle!
No, twatwafffle, because referring to a MAN as a woman is a derogation. You know, ’cause you failed to notice THEIR PENIS. Or some such.
But, believe what you want. I’m not the from the party that called Palin a Cunt and a Bimbo.
Own it.
So ‘cleo admits it’s smart to ignore his ignorant blather.
OK, that makes it clear — the moron is NOT here to influence people, just be a shit-stirrer.
A transtesticled hermaphroditic two-headed douchenozzle suffering from PRE traumatic stress disorder. I swear on all that is holy that the day that SemenliKKKer argued that it was suffering from PRE traumatic stress disorder was one of the funniest comment threads EVAH !
theDon’t forget that he’s pro-slavery, too.
I see Cleo has been taking reading comprehension courses from nishi and thor.
It puts the lotion on it’s skin.
Rob C – I do not buy that it is a he.
I guess it is also not considered inciting violence when one attends and donates money to a church that teaches the evil US government run by rich white people invented the AIDS virus to kill poor minorities. Oh nothing inciteful about that at all….
Takes one bit, out of context, and make-up whatever shit you want.
Brava! There will be room for you, Cleo, in Obama’s Brave New World.
That’s the point mannn, fuckin gender bomb to freak those fascist rethugs out of their dinosaur minds, wickkkked.
That is surely a message I want all children to hear at church. That way they can grow up and be productive members of our society and love this country with all their hearts.
Hey I wanna play the lefty make shit up game.
I hear Obama touches little boys then sends them off to skkkool with a backpack full of dynamite to kill whitey.
Hell I am going to open up my heart and my wallet right now and donate money to Trinity. For teh unityness and hopeychangitude!!!!! Because noone would take pop shots with .22’s at government figures if they just thought they were trying to kill them.
Yea Michelle aborted three other pregnancies now they keep the fetus cadavers in a formaldehyde jar.
Semen – Go get help with that PRE traumatic stress disorder.
PRE traumatic stress disorder is probably just the empty anxious feeling you get before you take your meds in the am.
Cleo, to influence people you would have to argue with supporting facts.
I would say most here are remarkably open to another POV. But bomb throwing? Not so much.
Seman if you knew where some of us went to college it would blow your mind out of your little reptile skull.
O! suffers from syphilitic meningitis he got during Frank Marshall Davis’ poetry readings/cornholing, and that’s why he refuses to release his medical records.
I for one was a contemporary of Obama at Hate Whitey Uni. except in fetal spirit form.
I graduated high school Cleo. There they taught me that black people invented AIDS to kill white people and that Jews greed runs a world in need. The math and stuff they kinda laid off of.
I hope you can tell im being sarcastic but you’re reading comprehension hasn’t seem to be that good so far.
The Democrat Party has always been the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and socialism.
“Comment by Semanticleo on 10/20 @ 10:18 am #
Are any of you folks high school graduates?”
Can you speak English?
I didn’t go to college, or high school for that matter. Because daddy said wimmens don’t need no education. Being w/o a penis, we’re only half-persons. But, my husband helped me fill out my absentee voter thingy. He doesn’t trust me in the voting booth alone.
Yea every easter they had 3 days of orgies because they knew it piss of the Xtianists!, just like O! was that holier than thou douchenozzle blowing lines of coke off some skank’s ass with his fucking boom box blaring at 2 am while some of us had to take math midterms on monday while his affirmative action ass did god knows what.
just like O! was that holier than thou douchenozzle blowing lines of coke off some skank’s ass with his fucking boom box blaring at 2 am while some of us had to take math midterms on monday while his affirmative action ass did god knows what.
Well sure it sounds bad when you say it like that Dash.
“Comment by Semanticleo on 10/20 @ 10:28 am #
“I didn’t go to college, or high school for that matter.â€Â
I think you already said that, just in other words.”
You DON’T speak English, do you?
N.O’Brain – I think it speaks Scientology, or Zorastrian. It’s communications appear to be in the form of English, but veer sharply from conventional communciations.
Every parents weekend the LGBT crowds gets out some chalk and writes the most obscene, explicit shit on all the sidewalks b/c hey man we gotta freak those old rubes out, then they have to be politely told that we’re already accepting of LGBT here but they don’t care they just should Xtianists! are here we know it ululululululululululululul! and go have sex with each other in public.
Cleo I went to college too. There I tried to hang out with the hard right-wing supremists, militia types, and radical anti-abortion crowd so I could fit in. I wanted to be viewed as authentic and all that. When I was around minorities I tried to talk softly so I didn’t scare them. I also hid my extremism from them by talking in platitudes. I did experimented with blow and marijuana though so it wasn’t all bad.
Again I hope you sense the sarcasm.
“Comment by JD on 10/20 @ 10:29 am #
N.O’Brain – I think it speaks Scientology, or Zorastrian. It’s communications appear to be in the form of English, but veer sharply from conventional communciations.”
Maybe it’s just it’s reading comprehension skills.
Not finishing grade school and all.
And being a misogynist.
And the endless fucking discussions of heteronormativity in the form of letters to the editor of the school newspaper and how the lacrosse team is offensive to watch because they’re one big phallus carrying rape gang, and semen, I’m describing the benefits of a progressive education for you.
My guess is that seman refuses to vote for Sarah becasue he’s a misogynist.
There can’t be any other reason.
Oh, leave Cleo alone. It’s all he got. I bet he/she’s gonna go brag later to his “friends”* how he pwned someone on AlGore’s inernets.
*his collection of blow-up dolls.
seman, how much do you give to charity?
Seeing as how you want to redistribute wealth and all.
And hiring crack whores is not charity.
Although there was a German exchange student who asked me to teach him all the English curses he knew and I willingly obliged.
Fuck, of course Cleo a misogynist if he’s not voting for Palin. There. Is. No. Other. Explanation.
I bet he’d wip out his tranny engorged clitoris and wave it around in Palin’s face if it saw her.
he/she/it – At this point, there is insufficient evidence to form a conclusion.
He must hate white people is he’s not voting for McCain. Clearly.
You see what the leftist are like Cleo? We can do that too.
My level of education? I would only reveal if I cared what Cleo thought . And since I don’t …
After college I went to work for the South Dakota Militia. I mainly would try to organize grass roots support for gun-rights, getting rid of legal abortions, and mandating religious teaching in schools. I failed to see the kinds of “change” I was seeking so I went to work for the NRTL foundation and the Blannenburg Challenge. The Blannenburg Challenge was a foundation chaired by the abortionclinic bomber John Ayers. We passed out money to schools and set curriculum that had a strong pro-life message. We funded programs that had students watch videos of abortions and the damage they caused to the mother. Good times were had by all.
What a coinkydink. I’m reading this:
“My point is that the left is dishonest when it pretends that it is not in the business of imposing its values on others.”
-Jonah Goldberg
Yea, I’m currently in the woods of Colorado learning paramilitary training after graduating cum laude from Jesus Camp. O, I can make me up a nice nail bomb to set in the abortion clinics and I never ever ever talk to icky liberals in person b/c they’re just to icky.
In a lifeboat, the guy who keeps asking “Where did you go to college” is usually the first one eaten.
This has been another Lifeboat Parable by alppuccino
I am also a member of a church in rural South Dakota that is considered by some to be “extreme”. I do not think so though our preacher is just like a mad uncle who sometimes gets out of hand. When he goes off on rants expressing his belief that Jews invented the AIDS virus to kill other races and that Jews greed runs a world in need, we all know that he is going a little bit over the line. The rest of the time he teaches us to love eachother and to help out in our community so it is ok. The reverend is my spiritual mentor and baptized both of my kids and married me and my wife. I invite him over my house on weekends all the time. Well the only condition is that he leaves his hood at home that would be unseemly.
Followed quickly by the bloke who asks what your GPA was…
Now, now. Cleo is all about helping the “working class”, defined as a family with two Harvard Law grads, against the “corporate oppressors”, defined as a plumber who dreams of someday owning his own business.
HA!
Now where did Cleo go? I guess my reminder about his blow-up friends must have … you know … he’s busy now.
Seman the whole ivy league crowd is pretty much nihilistic and drug-sex crazy not unlike Rules of Attraction or Less than Zero
Followed quickly by the bloke who asks what your GPA was…
Which is all the more ironic given the fact that the most stooopider dummerest Preznident EVAH had better grades and a better resume that his prior two opponents, Lurch and algore, and Baracky has not released his educational splendiferous record, which suggests that it is no better than those that came before him in running against W.
Are you?
Shssh, Rob. Cleo is “busy” right now.
Heh. Semen, I’m in one of those progressive grad schools and only got class thrice weekly.
oooh, burn. But, smarty pants, I’m on welfare. So I’ve got all day. Now get back to work. You’ve got taxes to pay!
God, if they knew I were here trolloping around they’d probably make me run naked, backwards through a corn field. Uulululululululuululululululululululuulul!!11
Is it ulululululululululululululululul or lulululululululululululu !!!!!!!!!!!eleventy11!!
semenstain, you’re here all the time, so what’s your excuse?
LOL. just got back from voting, too.
AGAIN, Maggie?
shhhhhhh, Carin.
There’s voting somewhere?
maybe. *shifty eyes*
one of my favorite memories from many years ago, I was standing in line at the polling place and this guy walks in and says “What are we voting on today!?”
I here Mars is strong red territory.
Illinois has ethics laws?
Whatever for?
Ethnic slaws. Typo.
I pay someone to vote for me! Just spreadin’ the wealth, and stimulating the economy!!!
Ethnic slaws.
Is that anything like Cole Hamels slaws?
Ethnic slaw is made with arugula, right?
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/20 @ 10:18 am #
Are any of you folks high school graduates?
If you have a higher education you might want to ask for your money back. So far your wit has been spectacularly unimpressive.
Ethnic slaw is made with arugula, right?
And a generous pinch of nose hair for authenticity.
Come now, no politician would ever beat a hooker to death. It’s a matter of professional courtesy.