Allahpundit looks at the data and concludes:
Almost as many GOPers say they’re unbothered by Obama’s associations as those who say they’re bothered by Wright or Ayers. As for independents, The One leads by 18 points now  a 28-point swing in just one week. Part of that’s due to the debate, which registered voters say he won, 48/14, but part of it’s probably also due to the negativity backfiring.
Normally I’d be skeptical about such findings. But then I’m reminded that it was Republicans who nominated John McCain in the first place — so the numbers make a certain perverse amount of sense.
Still, not everyone is buying into this. Cuffy Meigs, for instance, Questions the Timing:
Listen. With all the caterwauling about MSM bias, do you not think that it is entirely within the realm of possibility that the very same MSM is also gaming their own MSM polls? As Limbaugh has said many times, media-sponsored polls are just another arrow in their agenda quiver and a lazy — but highly effective — way to manufacture news.
Or to preemptively disarm McCain of his last, best weapon.
My own take is, I admit, rather novel. Quickly, it amounts to this: Who cares either way?
Which is to say, whether the polls are believable or not — whether media bias or a sudden uptick in ostentatious civility is responsible for the numbers — shouldn’t matter one whit.
What matters is defining Barack Obama. And McCain best realize that if he’s to have any chance whatever, he needs to continue to pound away at Obama’s political and ideological lineage and make the case to voters that the man who’s been speaking to them in pleasing bromides has, for his entire political life, been involved with organizations and causes that have very clear plans of action — and that those plans often involve redistribution of wealth, funding for “social justice,” and gaming the system to destroy it from within. He needs to make clear that, if Team Obama and the media wish to spin these facts as “smears,” then they’ve effectively insulated the Illinois Senator from any criticism, given that he has very little record to run on.
And Team McCain should get past their concerns that Americans “won’t understand” a complicated narrative. It’s quite possible that they might not — but that’s no excuse not to lay it out anyway. After all, nothing the McCain camp has done thus far, including playing at collegiality, has worked, nor will it: McCain may just now be waking the fact that the press has long used him as an easy mark.
In short, “Maverick” (gag) needs to flesh out Barack Obama — not because it might win him the election, but rather because we as a country deserve to be told what the press has worked so hard to cover up, rationalize away, and excuse. He needs to go negative like a fucking viking.
Then if we go ahead and vote a socialist into office, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
And ACORN, naturally.
Cuffy is right. It’s no accident NPR cobbled this together the same day.
Drinking game words for the last debate:
Friends.
Change.
The dead will be stacked on the curbs like Christmas trees in January.
A Democrat without fifteen points us in trouble. How much, I don’t know anymore.
Cooked polls. Bradley effect. 38% PUMAS hate “The One.”
It is still very close. McMaverick can win with a hard close.
Remember the Alamo, err, New Hampshire!
I dispute the idea that “Republicans” picked nominated John McCain. The media had a rather hefty hand in that.
I mean, how many of us actually know people who wanted McCain? Around these parts, Rightwingsparkle is the only one that comes to mind.
I find it quite hard to digest that these are the same polls which had Mac up by 3-4 pts for that couple weeks after Palin got picked. 28 point swing in independents? Why? Pre-emption for Bradley effect based hysterical calls of racism if Mac wins. NPR tells me so.
Not sure if anyone else has seen this
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Voting_for_Obama_anyway.html
The next was a woman, late 50s, Democrat but strongly pro-life. Loved B. and H. Clinton, loved Bush in 2000. “Well, I don’t know much about this terrorist group Barack used to be in with that Weather guy but I’m sick of paying for health insurance at work and that’s why I’m supporting Barack.”
To sum up: these people are retarded. Don’t give me “voting for their economic self-interest” – if you can’t understand that removing a expense (that’s part of your compensation from your employer) and putting it in the hands of government will do nothing to reduce your expenses….I’m not sure what else there is to say.
this post seems to help explain it. love the bit at the end that Hot Air quoted. pure, delicious, crazy, indeed.
DAMN YOU, RDUB!
I told you guys I don’t like to read Ben Smith, now the both of yous are linking.
There is no more reason to believe polls than to believe any other political-information-product that is being offered up for free at this time of year.
They are no more plausible than anything else you read.
This just in.
0bama wins debate tonight.
Details to be announced.
RDUB, if what you say is true, then we can all enjoy laughing really hard at those people when Health Care ends up costing way more and providing way less. Which it will.
I’m with Rdub. These people are retarded.
Sorry Maggie! And yeah, Ben Smith sucks.
Can’t say I’d be too surprised if that alleged focus group actually turned out that way though. There’s dumb in the air this year, it’s an epidemic.
I would probably hand over a severed limb to McCain if he asked for it for him to say what Mark Levin recommended today at the corner-
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGI4OTYzOGQ0OWRhNjYwZWYyNTIyNzNiZTAxZDFhNGQ=
Points to ponder: 1. No one, left, center, or right, is ever satisfied with any actual service provided by the government. 2. The Left sees government as the preferred (usually only valid) option for providing critical services to individuals. 3. The Left considers themselves to be intellectually superior to the Center and the Right.
What’s wrong with this picture?
The elite voters of Ohio.
My Friend Bill Ayers
from WSJ
This is total crap. They should just stop polling after the primaries. They mean nothing.
Look, if you didn’t like Obama this morning, you aren’t going to vote for him because he wins the debate tonight. You won’t think he did, because you won’t agree with his answers, and if you do agree with his answers you’ll think he’s lying. Unless you’re Christopher Buckley, in which case you really, really want to keep getting invited to the cool parties.
The ACORN-bashing schtick
is the most inept, dishonest move yet by the Republic scum.
REGISTERING FAKE VOTERS IS NOT VOTER FRAUD. IT IS ONLY FRAUD IF THOSE PEOPLE SUCCEED IN VOTING.
ACORN’s lists are checked by ACORN, suspected frauds are flagged, and then the results are sent to election board officials who recheck them. If there is a fraud, they are not allowed to vote. Plain and simple.
That’s a labor issue, not a voter registration issue.
If Republics didn’t block it, we could have automatic registration (the government knows who is a citizen and who isn’t) like they do in other nations.
Then ACORN wouldn’t be even necessary.
Sashal do you have a link to where you cut and pasted that from or is that batch of stupid all you?
The polls are and have been bullshit, made to create the narrative that the election is all over but for the voting, and that McCain should start licking Brock’s boots before the election in order to “put country first.â€Â
Think about it – not only might the Bradley effect be reflected in the polls, as well as the general selection bias of polls, but no one ever thinks to ask who is asking the questions and recording the poll-ee’s choices. Who would know if some hipster working for a telephone poll is purposely recording inaccurate results, or interpreting the poll-ees who give ambiguous answers to be Brock Obama voters.
The other day, I was down Southampton Ave in Philadelphia, where many of the Union Halls are located. One obligatory “Philadelphia Trades for Obama†sign. One stinking sign, the rest were all for the Congressional race and State House race. I took this as a very good sign for McCain.
excellent bitch-slapping of the bullshit artist who have been running this country and propping up the Republicans and who have no idea what they are talking about- ever.
Glenn Reynolds wrote yesterday:
I agree with you: It doesn’t matter whether the polls are accurate or not. We may soon find ourselves in a situation in which both houses of Congress, the Presidency, and the Federal bureaucracy are all under one-party rule. Since the press has become the house organ, or cheerleaders, for that party it is our responsibility to keeping speaking truth to the monoculture of power.
On November 5th
I will be at MGM Grand celebrating the demise of the party of stupid and ignorance, the party of hate and lies, propaganda and death.
You all are invited to join . Drinks on me, I am comped pretty well there….
You do realize, Sashal, that the WSJ article is written by the same gent who wrote What’s the matter with Kansas, right?
Government Health Care: Because the paragons of service and care are the VA and the DMV.
Can’t be done. There’s no skeleton.
He’s a hollow(ed) surface, fully enclosed, impenetrable to sight, revealing only fractured reflections of those who look — for many, a blinding light.
He’s a disco ball.
And McCain’s no Mike Veeck.
(Except that he would go groveling to the nearest representative of KC & the Sunshine band if he got called a ROCKIST!)
I’ve already been to Ben Smith today, Sahal, there is no way in hell I’m going to John Cole’s cesspool.
so what, Carin ?
I wonder why sashal thinks he’s a conservative or a classical liberal? Hating President Bush? Eh, I can understand it…kind of. I don’t “hate” any politician, myself, as I’m not a doddering hyper emotional moron, but hey different strokes, I guess. He’s not a conservative. He’s a big government republican. There is a world of diference. But the love fest for such an obviously way left of center (I’m talking American politics) empty suited democrat? I smell a lying sack of shit.
Meaning, I don’t care if one mendacious douchbag thinks another mendacious douchbag is a perfectly fine fellow.
“I will be at MGM Grand celebrating the demise of the party of stupid and ignorance”
This may be one of the most ironic musings ever uttered here. Good job.
Not being truly American, sashal doesn’t realize that the game is never over here, as illustrated in Boston Legal’s the land of Sweet Liberty Valance.”
Sashal, why are you so determined not to see who Obama really is? Vote for O if you must or will, but do it with your eyes open. And you will get the government you deserve.
I talked to my socialist friend today and she says it is very exciting that Baracky will win but she understands how some people are apprehensive cause they don’t know him like we do here in Chicago. I said well it will be exciting and democracy is so great and please don’t report me.
close your eyes, nanananananana.
“The world only exists in the lying interpretation I got from GOP propaganda network-FOX, and partisan hack Glen Reinolds”-carin.
BTW, Cole just quotes another commie source with B.York interview , how is that?
Sashal reminds me of the lemmings at Politico that endlessly cut and paste party-line propaganda and have little signature lines such as “No way no how no McCain”
I mean, for once and for all, articulate it Sashal. Why does he float your boat, in spite of his clear connections to radical wackadoodle?
I mean, for once and for all, articulate it Sashal. Why does he float your boat, in spite of his clear connections to radical wackadoodle?
First – this won’t change my decision.
Second – this is the NYT/CBS, and they do not have a very good record in my opinion.
Third – this:
(Reuters) – Democrat Barack Obama has a 4-point national lead over Republican John McCain as the White House rivals head into their final debate, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.
Sashal,
I read the Frank piece this morning in the Journal. It was the sorriest excuse for a defense of a terrorist who murdered innocent people and bragged to those who would listen about it I have ever read. Comparing him to an eagle scout? Are you fucking kidding me? This is the guy who consorts with Marxist dictators while screaming “‘capitalism must be defeated by a world revolution”, and you want me to believe he’s a reformed eagle scout now?
Frank is usually pretty sad in the WSJ, but this article was ridiculous even for his standards. I guess the kudos belongs to the WSJ for printing it in the first place.
hee hee….Dan Quayle gives advice to Sarah Palin….
It’s endless comic relief with these people!
Quayle To Palin: ‘Be Yourself’ Former VP Says Palin’s Situation Similar To His 20 Years Ago
INDIANAPOLIS — For former Vice President Dan Quayle, the 2008 presidential campaign is like a flashback to his entry into national politics in 1988.
Quayle, a relatively unknown senator from Indiana before he was chosen to run with President George H.W. Bush, said in Indianapolis Wednesday that the treatment Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is receiving as John McCain’s VP choice reminds him of his treatment 20 years ago.
Quayle said he thinks Palin has handled herself well in spite of a torrent of criticism of her experience and her responses during interviews. Quayle said he offered Palin advice on how to deal with the spotlight.
“I basically said, ‘Look, just be yourself. You were selected by John McCain because of who you are and what you have done,'” Quayle said. “Don’t let them take anything away from you. Just go out and be yourself.”
Quayle was the subject of derision during the campaign and while he served as vice president from those who considered him inadequately equipped for the job.
He made a series of verbal gaffes that kept him in the limelight for unflattering reasons, including an infamous misspelling of “potato” that provided years of comedic fodder.
Quayle said he thinks voters will ultimately make their choice based on their opinions of McCain and Barack Obama, not the vice presidential candidates.
Quayle was in Indianapolis campaigning for former aide Greg Zoeller, the Republican candidate for Indiana attorney general.
He’s emoting, SarahW. He hates Bush. He hates republicans. That’s all he needs. No need to “think” about why he supports Obama other than to kill the boogeyman. None whatsoever. Simple is as simple does.
sashal would be wise to consider the perspective of John Hood:
“Ronald Reagan led a political revolution in 1980 against decades of Keynesian nonsense and cultural rot  and then saw his party lose congressional seats in 1982. Bill Clinton led a Democratic takeover of Washington in 1992, which lasted two years. Bush and the GOP won full control in 2004, which lasted two years. In modern times, American political power has had a quicksilver quality. Does that mean that the upcoming election isn’t important? Hardly! But it won’t be the last word on the future of our Republic. No single election ever is.”
The world only exists in the lying interpretation I got from GOP propaganda network-FOX, and partisan hack Glen Reinoldsâ€Â-carin.
BTW, Cole just quotes another commie source with B.York interview , how is that?
Whatever Sashal. Like most conservatives, I’d have to walk around all day with my eyes shut and my ears plugged if I blocked out liberal news sources. It’s just not possible. Doesn’t mean I need to seek ’em partisan sources on the internets.
And, FTR, I read the Frank piece early this morning.
Sarah, he has as much connection to the American citizen Ayers, who sits on the educational board, as many other republicans on this board, plus the founders-republicans who hired Ayers and contributed to McCain campaign.
Why aren’t you worried about McCain -Liddy real friendship?
The shrinking number of the loyal republicans getting stupider by the moment.
The smart ones keep leaving
I thought Ayers was just some guy in his neighborhood? Did this story change or something Sashal cause I thought I heard O! say just that.
English isn’t sashal’s first language, is it? “the American citizen Ayers, who sits on the education board”, who types like that?
I was about to write something else disputing the latest troll infestation with ole sashal here and then realized, what’s the fucking point?
This guy wouldn’t be convinced no matter what is said to him/her. The sad part is that he/she/whatever feels the need to come over here and act out like an idiot.
Seriously, fuck this guy/girl/whatever. Not worth the comment.
I agree Tman. It is like arguing with a retarded guy and trying to convince him to stop being retarded.
I think I told it here, how I love my friend Larison from Am Con, and I like the guys from Taki.
Neocons has to be killed, and theos calmed down, then conservatism in the boundaries of the republican party has a chance for a revival
In usual years, the media might have tilted a poll’s conclusion this way or that to sway swing voters, or to hype up its base.
But this year the media has another important reason to publish polls showing Obama with high approval ratings. The polls dovetail with ACORN’s extensive efforts to spoil the ballot-count. Here’s how: if McCain wins the ballot-count WILL be contested, and the contesting party will point to these 59% O! polls to justify their protests.
Heck, the CBS/NYT’s 14-point spread for O! may be worth a couple nights’ of Paris-style rioting by youths even – that is, only if McCain wins.
Bill Ayers is Tom Frank’s friend? Oh, I suppose I’ve been all wrong about him then.
52, the irony coming from the stubborn member of the bankrupt party:
This guy wouldn’t be convinced no matter what is said to him/her
Saying and vomiting are two different things.
Someone asked you a question Sasha, up there in this thread. All you’ve done is auto-hurl.
The accusation seems pretty accurate.
I had a good laugh at “partisan hack Glen Reinolds (sic)”.
If you think the Blogfather is a “partisan hack”, then the term simply means “someone who disagrees with me”.
he could be even your own father for all I care but still a partisan and lying hack.
But whatever, folks, we can all leave this behind after Nov4th.
Come over to the party to celebrate the win over mendacity, anti-intellectualism, lies, smears and unnecessary wars..
Drinks on me
I can’t figure out why people are able to look at legacy media news reporting and say “wow they really are obviously in the bag for Obama, they’re ignoring news that hurts him and reporting things that help him” then say “…but the polling, that’s really trustworthy!”
I mean seriously, how ignorant and credulous can you be? Obama up by 18 points with Republicans? What kind of idiot buys that?
“He made a series of verbal gaffes that kept him in the limelight for unflattering reasons”
That doesn’t seem to hurt Biden, though. Why is that, you figure?
“and theos calmed down”
Who are those theo’s and why do they need to be calmed down?
I just hope the new “intellectual” betters that will be ruling us have a catchy name.
I suggest The Vanguard.
sashal: “REGISTERING FAKE VOTERS IS NOT VOTER FRAUD. IT IS ONLY FRAUD IF THOSE PEOPLE SUCCEED IN VOTING.”
It is, however, registration fraud and prosecutable in its own right.
Secondly, it is the obvious pre-cursor act for voting fraud and, as such, opens the purveyors to conspiracy / RICO charges… and all it would take would be a *single* fraudulent vote — one double vote, one dead voter, etc., to bring down the whole corrupt house of cards.
sashal, you really are drunk on the kool-aid. I hope for your sake its not the Jonestown Juice flavor.
This is supposed to be even more demoralizing than realizing that McCain is the best candidate the Republicans could come up with? Nah, after that revelation I’m pretty much bullet proof. Its off to the polls with my reluctant vote for the lesser evil.
#49, Sashal, by now you know better than that. Why the pretense. What is it that Obama provides that makes you prevaricate on his behalf? What is it ….tell me.
Uh. McCain doesn’t understand his opponent or the argument against him. McCain’s focus is limited to reducing policy differences down to superficial sloganeering, which is to be expecting in any political campaign- but McCain has allowed this to become the substitute for an argument, any argument, on specific policy differences.
To a lesser degree of effectiveness, McCain works off the same rhetorical paradigm as Obama (e.g. supporting the surge, make them famous, sexism, lipstick, etc.), and most of the domestic/social policy areas where McCain has attempted to flesh out details are those exact policies where he is bending over backwards to the left and whatever differences he is trying to highlight are only minor, therefore readily dismissed by an electorate looking for a new direction and voice (McCain’s 50 billion stimulus plan versus 65 billion stimulus plan from Obama).
Obama’s domestic policy agenda is vulnerable in several ways, many have been explored and exposed here at Protein Wisdom by Goldstein, but McCain is lazy and apparently ignorant with respect to understanding the depths of Obama’s epic failure in his only executive enterprise- education reform.
McCain is unable to articulate the significance of all the strands that connect Obama’s vision for education with his ideological “pal” Ayers because McCain has internalized some of these same methods (advanced by Alinsky and Ayers with financial and political cover from people like Obama), it’s a real blind spot for McCain.
McCain is the problem, not the solution. When that idiot Whoopie asked McCain whether she should fear a return of slavery, McCain offered empathy instead of outrage and disbelief because he operates by the same rhetorical codes that allow people like Obama, Wright, Ayers, and Goldberg to make such ignorant statements.
There is a chance that tonights debate could be different, but given McCain’s history it’s more likely that he will apologize than antagonize.
Sarah:
if you are interested
Christopher,
“What kind of idiot buys that?”
Dude, way to cut through the fat. You’re so right…
Which segues to another complaint I have: if a segment of the web persists in reprinting, discussing and linking to tarted-up polls from dubious media org’s., doesn’t it make that web-segment an hemorrhoidal “outgrowth” of the tarted polling?
You know, like a vascularized throbbing ergotic ex-growth encompassing a rotten kernel of bad corn? And, shouldn’t we, like, do something about it?
Just to be fair, I used to think the same thing about any online discussion to which Dick Morris provided the lede. Usually you squish a tick when it sidles up near you; you don’t give it a vein.
The trolls are feeling brave lately.
I stopped listening to NPR when they basically stopped playing music. I miss my classical guitar on Monday nights @ 8pm.
And I do love lefties devotion to the actual government voice organ. “NPR” is simply a litmus test. If I blare “All Things Considered….” on perputual repeat, does that lighten me in your eyes, or becuase I don’t simply bask in the erudite glow of Robert Siegal and Michele Norris, I am still untermensch?
Oh my, a REAL hyper doddering moron “attempted” to deride me. What will I ever do? You know, thor, unlike sashal, you seem to have a brain, but are just too “confused” (let it go my man) to use it. You already have Obama’s tool in your mouth, just swallow. The truth will set you free.
Kirk at #65. Well put.
I’ll be there with you in spirit, brother. I’m scheduled for some r’n’r in the Caribbean on Nov. 5th. Rastaman I’n’I will be jammin’ on some good vibrations and herb the day Baracky is crowned the King of the New World. Jah rules all creation!
as usual, that makes no sense, sashal.
– We’ll have to wait too see if this typical bit of snake oil press has a positive or negative effect for Obama’s campaign.
– My guess is – you live by the PEW exit polls, you die by the PEW exit polls. But the Left is still so unsure of its chances, they’ll take anything they can get, even if its value is a total crap shoot.
thor:
maggie:
Transitive property at work, there.
great thor.
some next time, if you are in NE
#75,
as usual for you
you’re voting for Obama because he’s got a website? ooookay.
thor and sashal came by to dance a few jigs for the locals. Hearty laughter, as usual, reigned down upon the two ass-clowns.
We sick an’ tired of-a your ism-skism game –
Dyin’ ‘n’ goin’ to heaven in-a Jesus’ name, Lord.
We know when we understand:
Almighty God is a living man.
You can fool some people sometimes,
But you can’t fool all the people all the time.
So now we see the light
We gonna stand up for our rights!
Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights!
Better lively up yourself, cause I said so….
Thor, I’m not the one having issues with my sexuality. And I haven’t worn a skirt for some 30 odd years now (don’t ask but it involves mean, sadistic older brothers). If Obama gets elected, I’m suspecting the neutered moronic republicans in congress will “find” themselves again. Obstruction is all they have to hang their hats on and it’s all their own fault.
So thor is a Trustafarian? That figures.
Tent keeps shrinking.
From Michelle Cottle:
“Here’s what really jumps out at you from that Times/CBS poll:*
The poll found, for the first time, that white voters are just about evenly divided between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama, who, if elected, would be the first black president. The poll found that Mr. Obama is supported by 45 percent of white voters  a greater percentage than has voted for Democrats in recent presidential elections, according to exit polls.
To put it bluntly: Democrats pretty much never win (or tie among) white voters. The last to win a majority was LBJ in 1964; Clinton narrowly missed a plurality with Perot’s help in ’92 and ’96. ‘The idea that the first African American nominee would have a chance to even come close is pretty stunning.
In a semi-related development, it’s good to see the Palin pick continuing to pay dividends. Here’s yet another data point in the long, downward march of her approval ratings: “Ms. Palin’s favorability rating is now 32 percent, down 8 points from last month, and her unfavorable rating climbed nine percentage points to 41 percent.”
“Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights!”
– The standard way to get those most indoctrinated to declare their gullibility, so they can be quickly singled out and shot.
“The poll found, for the first time, that white voters are just about evenly divided between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama, who, if elected, would be the first black president. The poll found that Mr. Obama is supported by 45 percent of white voters  a greater percentage than has voted for Democrats in recent presidential elections, according to exit polls.”
You see, some people might look at this and wonder if the poll is fucked up. Some people.
*Continued citing of this poll may lead to Headaches, Blood Clots, Gout and Anal Leakage. If you are nursing or pregnant please consult your Physician before taking Times/CBS Poll. Do not operate heavy machinery or attempt rational conversation while under the influence of Times/CBS Poll. If symtoms persist for more than 24 hours, please kill yourself with a blunt instrument.
“Mrs. Palin’s favorability rating plummets”….yet, somehow 10’s of thousands of people keep getting turned away from her appearances. Yes, it does seem many, many people will look at this and wonder if the poll is fucked up. Many, many people.
So, since it’s all over but the shouting, why all the continued invective here, sashmo? I mean, c’mon, your guy’s in; just lookie at all these shiny new polls. All sewed up, right? Cakewalk from here. Waltz, even. MichellO’s already picking out drapes and carpet, man. So why do you still show up here with your stinky BO?
Frankly, you come off a little desperate, pal.
Tonight’s Debate…
[…] as Jeff points out, if the MSM is unwilling to bring up the issues and provide voters with sufficient information about who Obama is and what he stands for (other than Hope, Change, and a Tax Cut for 95% of Americans’TM’), McCain has not only t…
“Frankly, you come off a little desperate, pal.”
It’s the vodka spritzers.
Follow up to our vodka-besotted comrade: What if BO loses? I know it’s simply not possible to fathom in your hammer and sicle
= One existing theory states that “[the] reason the Left keeps losing elections is because they tend to slavishly put all their eggs in delusional “hopeful” imaginary basket’s and empty “appearances”, instead of the realities around them. Eventually they may even decide the way voters actually vote on election day has some nuanced effect on the outcome. But then we must remember that we’re dealing with the “elite” class here, so adjustments must be made.”
ACORN’s lists are checked by ACORN, suspected frauds are flagged, and then the results are sent to election board officials who recheck them. If there is a fraud, they are not allowed to vote. Plain and simple.
Oh! Well, just never mind then.
My grandfather voted in every election between 1960 and 1980 as a Democrat. He used to tell us that when he got off of the boat he was introduced to a guy from the Union who said he could have a job as long as he voted Democrat, so he did. And he never let the fact that he wasn’t a US citizen stop him.
The idea that the first African American nominee would have a chance to even come close is pretty stunning.
Why so stunned? Does the author think there’s something wrong with African Americans? Sounds to me like she’s a little worried. Even the idea shakes her up. Someone should let her know that things have changed. The law even lets black folk eat at the same lunch counters as white folk now. Heck, they even made an African American woman the Secretary of State! My stars and garters!
crap.
What if BO loses? I know it’s simply not possible to fathom in your hammer and sicle heart but what if he does? Where will you find a home for your “true conservative” soul? If you’re overly hirsute maybe Andy Sullivan and you can have a good spa weekend together and swap creamy loads. I hear he likes “bears.”
89, because I like you guys. I see great potential for many of you to return to sane society.
I even give advices on how to survive looming socialism and repressions. Last night I helped HF with the preparations.
I will not leave you alone guys to deal with unknown.
The nut cases one can usually witness at “Atlas shrugs” or LGF.. let them get busted by the revolutionary guard, who cares about those morons….
– And another 700+ drop on wall street for the day.
– Is it possible that the financial world isn’t too thrilled with the possibility of a Socialist at the helm.
– Barracky may get to the WH only to find he has an empty cupboard to “redistribute the wealth” from.
What, you’ve given up on the good folks over at neo-neocon, sashal? They aren’t worth saving?
and them too, Sdferr, undemocratic bitches. Red brigades will get them ( I am sure sergey will survive, he knows how)
So how come you’re not posting over there?
– Congresman Murka said today “[that] the part of the state of Pennsyvania that doesn’t vote for Obama is racists.”
– Is any more proof needed that this nutcase is a total asshole?
I know some will not open “politico” link(like carin) so I just c&p from that site:
I just got an astounding e-mail from a Republican consultant I know well. He’s a guy who’s always thought Obama had a “glass jaw,” and was always among those agitating for hitting Obama harder.
Recently, he conducted a focus group in an upper-Midwestern state, showing them the kind of ad he thought would work: A no-holds-barred attack, cut for an independent group, which hasn’t aired.
I’m just going to reprint his amazed e-mail about the focus group:
Reagan Dems and Independents. Call them blue-collar plus. Slightly more Target than Walmart.
Yes, the spot worked. Yes, they believed the charges against Obama. Yes, they actually think he’s too liberal, consorts with bad people and WON’T BE A GOOD PRESIDENT…but they STILL don’t give a f***. They said right out, “He won’t do anything better than McCain” but they’re STILL voting for Obama.
The two most unreal moments of my professional life of watching focus groups:
54 year-old white male, voted Kerry ’04, Bush ’00, Dole ’96, hunter, NASCAR fan…hard for Obama said: “I’m gonna hate him the minute I vote for him. He’s gonna be a bad president. But I won’t ever vote for another god-damn Republican. I want the government to take over all of Wall Street and bankers and the car companies and Wal-Mart run this county like we used to when Reagan was President.”
The next was a woman, late 50s, Democrat but strongly pro-life. Loved B. and H. Clinton, loved Bush in 2000. “Well, I don’t know much about this terrorist group Barack used to be in with that Weather guy but I’m sick of paying for health insurance at work and that’s why I’m supporting Barack.”
I felt like I was taking crazy pills. I sat on the other side of the glass and realized…this really is the Apocalypse. The Seventh Seal is broken and its time for eight years of pure, delicious crazy….
because she can not stand the dialog, the neocon mind can not be questioned at all, cause it is empty for facts and arguments
Do you even read what you write? You wail about the coming socialism in America but ignore what Bush has given us. What about medicare prescription drug benefits? Government ownership of banks? What the fuck are you on?
Check out non-military expenditures under Bush, you fucking idiots. All you have is your precious rhetoric, reality has that damn known liberal bias.
So you got banned, huh?
I think if you actually look around a bit, hoot, you’d find criticism of those, as well. I’m guessing you’re eyes wide shut.
and I just started interesting conversation with sergey there .
oh, well, some people can not stand different opinions.
I bet you know what I mean….
Maybe. But it really doesn’t square with the fact that Wall St. has donated to the Socialist’s campaign by, oh, ten to one over his opponent’s. Manufactured Consent!
hoot: And how is that going to change under Obama? It will be accelerated. The very “socialization” that Bush and his marshmallow cronies in the Republican Party have tacitly allowed over the last eight years will be solidified and expanded.
From soft socialism to real socialism. Please don’t embarrass yourself by arguing that Obama will be “rolling back” these Socialistic programs. He3’ll be “spreading the wealth” just like he told that poor plumber.
and all hoot has is Phil Graham. poor guy.
hoot, this may come as a surprise to you but Bush isn’t running.
= Hey hoot – you’ll get no argument on any of that from Me. With the buying into the banks yesterday the US became a Republic in name only.
– Most people are saying “well, all these steps are just temporary”. Right. Remind Me again of how many years ago SS was passed?
– Massive governmental intrusion into the private/public sector only goes away when it totally collapses.
hoot: do you like coming across like an ignorant mule?
hootie-baby, what the fuck are YOU on? If you knew ANYTHING about this site, anything at all, you would never have posted something as moronic as you just did.
Your best bet is to go back to CNN.com or DKoz, or DU, or whatever other leftoid echo chamber you came from, before you make an even bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
And take that idiot sashal with you.
I’ve always thought that what Jeff’s blog was missing was a token rage boy to kick around. No more.
I do know what you mean, I think. Though maybe not in the way you mean it. When I saw her post on Blog-rules and banning, I immediately figured it was you that got the ax. Now how in the hell would I know that right out of the clear blue sky and all? It is so odd. Of all people, you. Funny, odd, like I said.
Hey , BJTex, congrats on Phillies.
My Red Sox got spanked, big time.
Fuck!!!
– Aw, the Lightbringer is whining again.
“I’d be up 3 more points if it wasn’t for FOX. They depict me as a latte drinking elitist Liberal”.
– Those meanies. It just isn’t fair, actually having to run on his record.
– Poor baby.
Sashal, why don’t you just articulate it yourself. What is it about Obama that you want so much? Seriously YOU. Why would you so willingly blink reality for this man?
Sashal, if you won’t say, I’m just going to guess you hate the jews.
The “its not voter fraud” line is the standard leftist cant now: it’s okay, they didn’t actually vote yet! Except through absentee ballots and obviously the intent is to vote fraudulently, but that’s OK because CHIMPY McHILTER!!!1!
I used to wonder if they were even fooling themselves. Now I’ve become convinced this sort of behavior is the result of mind-bending immersion in postmodernist relativism. They are adept at self contradiction and illogic on a staggering scale.
– Sarah. It probably comes down to some sort of self interest. Sahal is from a country where you are brought up from cradle to adulthood thinking that way. Rgere are no good guys and bad guys, everyone is simply out for themselves, and on the take in anyway they can manage it.
– More than likely sashal is listening to Obama’s list of bullshit 1 trillion dollar government give-away promises, and hoping he can score something for himself.
– And he’s right that hes not alone in that idea. Do you honestly think a first term junior Senator, with zero record, and a past littered with extremists, Black supremacy Pastors, crooked lobbyists/realtors, and domestic terrorists, coming out of the most corrupt political machine in America would stand a chance at the WH for any other reason?
121, lol
The main thing about Obama – he is not republican.
The most important part for me was his position on the war and declared pragmatism in foreign relationships.
I also share his views on Afghanistan and Pakistan.
I do not share the paranoid opinion by the loyal repubs about his socialism and expropriations.
I believe in his intelligence and ability to pick great team to pull us out of the crisis brought by years of republican rule. Again pragmatism.
he is not dogmatic. Whatever action will be required to better USA he will do this.
If that will require tax increase, I am O’K with it. If the taxes will be cut, great too.
Health care plan is not like in some European countries( if you bothered to read).
People will have choice-stay with the current provider or not.
YOU WILL HAVE CHOICE.
Can afford a private doctor? Like him/her better? Go ahead.
Can not afford one, then you are allowed to use public healthcare, which is not of the same quality, but cheaper.
AGAIN-CHOICE, no forceful mandates , like McCain and Palin are lying about.
I remember even in the old country under fucking real authoritarian socialism if one had means that person could have used the doctor services he preferred on his own.
And so on.
I am not here for the lectures.
I am afraid the way Repus fucked up the country so bad, Obama administration will not be able to achieve many of it’s goals. But that’s O’k.
Hopefully they will pull us out of the crisis.
And finalize the situation in Iraq.
That will be enough for me for now…
#104
Bush is running again? Isn’t that,like, illegal, or something?
– Like I said – “Entitlements”
– The Left doesn’t care about the war because people die in wars. The Left hates the war because it denies them more welfare revenue.
– The Left thinks no one ever listens to the words of their idiot leaders.
Obama – “America is spending 10 billion dollars a month in a war we never should have started in the first place. Billions that could be spent right here at home for the needs of our own people.”
– Entitlements, the holy grail of the Left.
– The needs of our own people won’t mean crap if we don’t stand up to the maniacs that attack us. But the elites don’t believe that. Cindy Sheehan would like to suck Chavez’s dick to show the world how much she loves America.
sashal, after reading your #124, all I can say is you are even dumber than I thought, and supposedly you are not even a product of the American education establishment. I would not know where to begin to fisk the drivel you posted, so I will not even try.
I hope you find whatever it is you are looking for. Just don’t be surprised if it turns out to be a big disappointment.
Bear, who told you that you have enough intelligence to judge me?
Self delusion turned you into the parody, dummy
yes, BBH, I agree with Obama, that in the 21 st century Health care is the Right, just like the Right to own guns.
Times change…..
Civics quiz, sash. Which of the two political parties in the US have had control of the legislative branch for the last two years?
Ah, fuck it. Anyone who writes that BO “is not dogmatic” has drunk the kool-aid and waits in line for more. That’s just fucking delusional.
yes, fuck it.
Anybody who thinks Obama is dogmatic is just fucking delusional ..
“yes, BBH, I agree with Obama, that in the 21 st century Health care is the Right, just like the Right to own guns.”
– Any other “rights” you want to throw on the pile that you’re so eager to trade you actual freedoms for sashal, because if you believe there’s a free lunch in life, then you’ve been cowed beyond redemption.
– Nothing comes free. Everything has its price. Stifling Socialism, and cradle to grave nannystatism that sucks every ounce of self determination out of a citizenry is not the sort of world I want to leave my heirs.
– I didn’t fight Communism, and its ugly sister Socialism, for 50 years of my life, just to see it come to our shores and pull us down into its gaping maw.
131. This is it.
That’s enough.
Guns and health
– I don’t think hes dogmatic sashal. He isn’t experienced enough to be dogmatic. He isn’t experienced enough to form any meaningful opinions. All he knows is “redistribute the wealth, because somehow the bastards that worked hard cut us out of the goodies, and we deserve it, just because”.
– I have no reason to have confidence in an ideology based on jealousy and misplaced ideas of entitlement, as well as the thinking of idiots that can’t understand what they’re giving up and the real cost of things when its just handed to them.
For being an alleged Ruskie, you’re awfully receptive to statist, collectivist persuasion. Especially when it comes from a slick pol from the south side of Chicago with no known accomplishments other than taking money from whitey and handing out to friends and accomplices.
– He’s a product of Socialist thinking, in a system where you have to do it to survive. Its not rocket science.
– For those that have never known the feeling of true self determination, its a foreign idea they simply don’t trust, don’t really believe exists.
– And once you take the chocolate, you’re generally trapped for life. No going back. You’ve traded your true freedoms for the governmental teat, and you can’t face the lie.
– Everyone on the Left should be required to watch the movie Pinnochio several times until they understand what Pleasure Island really represents as a danger to their freedoms.
“Come over to the party to celebrate the win over mendacity, anti-intellectualism, lies, smears and unnecessary wars..”
This is it in a nutshell. I completely agree with that sentence. It was written from the “mirror world” however and so means “A” to me and “/A” to the writer so we completely disagree.
Arguing is futile when you speak different languages that only pretend to be the same.
The Wall Street money interests are on the side of the Democrats? Not really a surprise. The money-bags are usually on the side of those who would regulate them*. To curry favor. It certainly did not hurt Mr. Raines to do that – they had his back.
*I would be surprised if the members of zoning boards did not count developers amongst their closest friends. The concept of a ‘military-industrial-regulatory board/committee’ complex isn’t exactly new, and it reaches across any party lines, into any regulatory activity. Duh.
If there is anything worth doing, it is worth being regulated, and if anything is regulated, it is worth buying the regulators. Duh squared.
Health care is a right. Hmmmm. Like life, liberty, the pursuit of property are rights? Equal with those then? Life isn’t worth having without health care? Because I know that life isn’t worth having without liberty or the right to pursue property and none of that is defensible without the right to bear arms. But health care? When roughly 45% of the uninsured are uninsured by choice? Really?
Or buying the legislators who write the legislation that the regulators enforce – lets face it – the regulation board is too far down the food chain to bother with.
The money-bags are usually on the side of those who would regulate them
Yes. The usual term is “regulatory capture”.
See also: Stalin’s maxim about those who count the votes being more important than those who cast them.
I say he does. Happy now?
“What matters is defining Barack Obama.”
There’s 20 days left in a 20 month campaign where millions have already voted for Obama. He’s been defined. By his discipline as much as Mccain’s lack thereof.
– Hes been defined by a guy behind the curtain. That is the sum total of it. Everything else is glibly explained away by throwing it/them under the MagicBus, a 180 reversal on something he declared absolute not 24 hours earlier, or racist, or out of bounds, or picking on him.
– the only thing we really “know” about Obama is he hates successful people, wants to steal their money and give it to his friends and cohorts, and the one issue he will never flip-flop on is Roe/Wade, because that would be unforgivable to the entire gaggle of Progressive Fems posing as Feminists.
– See Jeff. Just a little straight out plain talking blows the Lexicon gamers right out of the pond, and you don’t even need very many big words.
– A racket is still a racket, and the cockroaches still tend to duck and run when you shine a little common sense on them.
“- the only thing we really “know†about Obama is he hates successful people, wants to steal their money and give it to his friends and cohorts, and the one issue he will never flip-flop on is Roe/Wade, because that would be unforgivable to the entire gaggle of Progressive Fems posing as Feminists.”
And its at 53-39.
The election has been Obama’s to lose, and he hasn’t lost it. It’s really as simple as that.
As the 7331ers say, the lulz will begin in January. Well, give the guy a nice smarmy saccharine honeymoon media circle-jerk. The lulz will start in February.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna piss off and vote McCain. I’ve got a bumper sticker to earn.
Well, no. It’s not codified in the Constitution.
Also, note that Obama has this issue with gun ownership, even though it specifically is provided for in the Constitution.