Ed Whelan asks:
Isn’t it about time that campaign reporters demand live answers from Obama himself, rather than from uninformed campaign aides, about the basics of his relationship with Bill Ayers?
For starters: When did you first meet Bill Ayers? When did you first meet Bernardine Dohrn? When did you first learn that they were unrepentant terrorists? Did you ever tell either of them that you condemned their terrorist activities? Did you ever express reservations to anyone about serving on boards with Ayers? About funding his radical educational initiatives? About having him host a political reception for you? About accepting a campaign contribution from him? How many times have you or your wife been in his home? How many times have he or Dohrn been in yours? Did you meet with Ayers before becoming chair of the CAC board? When did you last have any communication with Ayers or Dohrn?
And so on. Get to work.
Nice in theory, Ed.
But you know — the waffles. Do you mind? A guy has a right to enjoy a tasty meal.*
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/4 @ 7:12 pm #
The Symbionese Liberation Party would be proud of your iconoclasm.
The Symbionese Liberation party would certainly been proud of O!…
Nine out of ten Democrats prefer waffles over hotcakes — which is why their ideas don’t sell better.
I don’t know what that means.
Nor that.
Good thing I have Patty Hearst on my speed dial. I’ll have this sorted out in no time.
Asking O! questions about his past in Chicago is more like flak-gunning the mau-mau’s…
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I know, I know…I denounce myself, already…
You guys sure are hedging a whole lot on this whole Ayers thing. I guess that debating actual policy positions is hard work.
Reporter: *asks the questionsw of O! that Ed Whelan posits…
O!: Can’t I just run a campaign in peace..? Y’know, one where I appeal to every nutroot and troofer base instinct in tghe primaries, and then over the summer prior to the election, try to cast myself as being to he right of Ronald Reagan..?
“Aunt Jemima preferred pancakes, or was that Black Sambo?”
Ask Woodrow Wilson!
“Aunt Jemima preferred pancakes, or was that Black Sambo?”
Man do they have pancakes at a Klan Bake?
“I guess that debating actual policy positions is hard work.”
Communism/Socialism doesn’t work. End of debate.
Comment by AJB on 10/4 @ 7:18 pm #
You guys sure are hedging a whole lot on this whole Ayers thing. I guess that debating actual policy positions is hard work.
Well AJB, that could be because there was a time in this country when choosing to associate with seditious individuals that hated America would <automatically disqualify one from enjoying the support of patriotic Americans; whether that candidate was as historic as O! or simply John Dean…
As far as debating policy positions go, when you can stop O! from speaking in vapid platitudes and broad slogans, such as hope, change, and the day the oceans stopped rising, etc and actually speak with intellectual honesty about issues; well then we will actially begin to enjoy a dialogue on the issue’s instead of a one sided discussion…
Whaddya have in mind?
I’m pretty sure we’ve covered the war (on all its fronts), the financial mess, education, taxation, nuclear freeze and military downsizing, judicial philosophy, health care, NATO, the number of actual states in the union, the number of years one can remain President, the Constitution as it is read by Joe Biden, energy policy, compulsory service, a national police force, the trillion in proposed spending…
Be more specific, AJB. If there’s something we missed, have at it.
But don’t mistake the fact that today is about the press covering for Obama — and our interest in that as a matter of principle, and as a long-standing concern of this site.
Does Mayor Daley have a picture of the O! making love to a goat?
RE. the waffles link.
I never noticed before, that was in SCRANTON!
*groan* why did it hafta be scranton…?
In which alternative universe do you think that any member of the MSM is going to ask Hussein a question that might, um shall we say, be difficult for him to answer.
Aw, I was kinda hoping AJB would take you up on that, Jeff.
Oh, well.
Fat Man:
They’ll ask after they get their stories straight. Call it Fool Disclosure.
OT, but this headline instantly made me think of Protein Wisdom.
Sex, Food, Armadillos Dominate Ig Nobel Awards
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,432122,00.html
One thing missing from today’s threads…Where the hell is Happyfeet?
Oh, I saw a dead armadillo in Florida. I thought of you guys. Jeff isn’t missing his friend, is he? Are condolences in order?
I can tell the left is terrified the Wright/Ayers/Dorn/etc connection is gonna hurt bad, the way they’re reacting here. Heh heh…
I smell Ward Churchill….
By their deeds shall ye know them, eh CT? My guess is that this reaction is being monitored at McCain campaign headquarters and that even they will know what to do next.
What’s up with the shitstorm of trolls today? damn. As if Ayers hasn’t been blogged about for months – but the moment Palin mentions it they storm the internet, spittle flying.
Are they really this afraid of her? You’d think with the boost from the latest polls they could keep their shit under control and at least act normal.
Kinda cool, huh, PC?
“The Symbionese Liberation Party would be proud of your iconoclasm.”
SLA, Symbionese Liberation Army
Amazing whitewashes today, where the want-to-believe folks will find them. Depressing.
I’m making monkey-bread for breakfast. That should cheer me up.
Oh, monkeybread is the best. I first had it in Wichita Falls, Texas at a Tahnksgiving dinner in 1966. Best damn stuff.
Bundtpan, SarahW?
I haz a monkeypan.
My size zero pants denounce me.
Is a size zero a size?
I saw on Insty some guy wrote in and asked what I always ask. What did Ayers (et al) see in Obama?
It is a good question that will never be answered.
It’s what you wear to the Hadron collider afterparty.
Well, if the damn thing ever works right and proper, that is.
What if there aren’t any “basics?” It’s up to the accusers to come up with something tangible. Otherwise they’re going to sound like all the right-wingers who made themselves so repulsive in relation to the Terry Schiavo case.
Yes but what about those kids she kept up too late to watch the debate. Shouldn’t they have been in bed? How could someone who purports to be a mother do something like that?
Those are the real questions I need to see an answer to.
Derek
And why haven’t we heard any more about that tanning bed? HUH?
Hilarious. The Left has gone batshit in the past over McCain and other GOP candidates going off to talk to Falwell and Robertson, or visitng Oral Roberts University. But the Ayers thing???? Nothing to see here, move along folks!!
What if there aren’t any “basics?†It’s up to the accusers to come up with something tangible.
And when we right-wing madmen come up with something, give the NYT reporter squadron a call. They’ll be stalking out Todd Palin’s snowmachine shed, the Wasilla Walgreens dumpster, Trig Palin’s birth certificate and the rape kit storage room.
Derek,
Due to time zones, those funny things, if the debates were shown live in Alaska, it would be 4 or 5 in the afternoon. Plays heck with someone trying to call home while on an Alaskan cruise. ;)
Sarah Palin only uses SPF 5 on her tanning bed!!!!!11!! A guy told me once that can cause Downs!! What a hideous monster Sarah Palin is!
A guy has a right to enjoy a tasty meal.
Eureka! So it must be that Ayers just makes very good waffles? Took me a while.
Stanley Kurtz blows the NYT’s whitewash out of the water.
It’s interesting that every male mentor in Obama’s life is a either a Communist {“Frank”) or an America-hater (Wright) or a criminal (Rezko) or a terrorist cop-killer (Ayers). It’s crazy when Joe Biden is the most normal, patriotic man that you know!
The “We Love Him With the Intensity of a Thousand Suns”-Media didn’t do him any favors by censoring most of the Ayers/Rezko coverage. That just garuanteed it would come out now just before the election instead of being “old news”.
Aldo – Kurtz laid a smack down on them! Thanks for the linky.
Let’s call it what it is. Kurtz destroyed the NYT piece. Do y’all think this even matters to the NYT editors?
Well, the left has acknowledged Ayers is a bad guy, so now all that remains is the uncovering of Obama’s truth or lies about him.
My guess is that Obama gets caught in a lie, but the nuance gets spun.
See, Obama hasn’t really addressed the missing years, and so far the media and the rest of his sycophants have just accepted his autobiography as full disclosure. Once the truth about Ayers hits the public, Obama will say “I never knew”
I agree with Noel in other words
What good will it do now is what I want to know? It is sickening the way CNN and the NYT are behaving. Kurtz needs to get on FOX news every day between now and next Friday and straighten the Times out. Hannity needs to get involved and use his platform to attack CNN for their attempts to credit NR with actually debunking the story. This is a kind of propaganda tactic that is used by countries fighting each other, and the media and liberals have adapted it in their efforts to burry our country. I don’t buy into the notion that it is to McCain’s advantage that this come out now. If the media had run these stories from day one, McCain would be running against Hillary, and while he may have lost, there is no comparison between her and Obama.
I’m still waiting for the MSM to do in-depth reporting on Barny Frank being in bed with Fannie. If you know what I mean. NTTAWWT.
Isn’t it about time that campaign reporters demand live answers from Obama himself</b.
MSM is super OK that Obama is a big FAT pussy.
Look guys, he’s answered like 8 questions. WTF? The MSM know that’s acceptable! They are our betters and decider’s!
David Gregory, married to a big time Fannie Mae insider and our FUCKING PROXY GODDAMN IT! doesn’t have time for Obama pussy reports and domestic terror associations and crap like that, OK guys? Don’t you remember???
He’s the GODDAMN DC press corp and HE needs to know first what little GODDAMN papers in Montana or Alaska and Arizona know GODDAMN IT!!!
What, The Fuck?
“You guys sure are hedging a whole lot on this whole Ayers thing. I guess that debating actual policy positions is hard work.”
It’s about what is really left to discuss – Obama HIMSELF is the one topic that is truly unexamined.
Obama’s ‘policy’ positions consist of Bush-bashing followed by “change” rhetoric followed by warmed over Mondale-istic left-liberal spend mo’ money. same old same old.
We need to know who obama really is, and not these whitewashing and airbrushing of his associates.
Are they really this afraid of her? You’d think with the boost from the latest polls they could keep their shit under control and at least act normal.”
Hmmm. 69 million watching the debate or some incredible number. Her comments get more notice than something Hannity did, or a watered down lamestream MSM whitewash of the whole story.
So yeah … Palin could give the story legs it didnt have before.
Would it be better if Obama and his father were close friends, confidants, and business partners to theocratic Saudi Arabian monarchs who are responsible for the enslavement of every female in the country that they rule, not to mention everything else the Saudis do? And if one happens to notice that this bothers you considerably less, apparently, than Obama’s association with Ayers, would one be right to assume that none of you really care about such associations except insomuch as they can be used to criticize your political enemies? I’m just curious, is all!
“You guys sure are hedging a whole lot on this whole Ayers thing. I guess that debating actual policy positions is hard work.â€Â
Seemed pretty hard for Obama to do at the debate, so why should anyone else.
It’s called leadership.
Besides stringing big words together he didn’t say a fucking thing about policy, heck even Chris Matthews admitted that – he won on style.
did those same Saudis bomb the Pentagon?
–I’m still waiting for the MSM to do in-depth reporting on Barny Frank being in bed with Fannie. If you know what I mean. NTTAWWT.–
Jwebb, they can’t. The MSM’s all in bed with Fannie, see above.
Here’s another cushy link…HINT – Board of Trustees…Jamie Gorelick and Judy Woodruff
http://www.urban.org/about/trustees.cfm
WHITE-WASH!
You might want to put that doughnut back in the Krispy Kreme box. Yes, in a familial way, they did.
eh, I know most of the 9/11 people were Saudi…. are they all related?
oh, and it’s beer and Snuffer’s cheese fries here.
I don’t know about you guys, but this just sicked me the fuck out about Obama’s friends…
Via NRO
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDJhM2ViZWVkODIxMGUzOTcxMGJhYmVlODVjZTY1ZGY=
Right there and there alone a future politician says – Buh Bye! But no, Obama hangs with the peeps whi fantasize and makes hero of murderers dining with the forks they just slaughtered people with.
I’m calling Bill Ayers, Buffalo Bill from now on.
well, TSK9, they’ve slept a LOT since the 60’s.
I mean, you forget things while you sleep.
The rich ones, mostly, yes.
HA HA funny funny, can’t you racist wingnuts figure out a JOKE!
Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!
Maybe this is why Thorists are cool with beheadings and suicide bombings?
http://tinyurl.com/524jp2
Obama swelling.
you know, I didn’t catch this right away
He just published this Sept. 17th, that should cause a moment of pause
I taped interviews with thirty members of the Weather Underground
“Memory is a motherf*cker,” Ayers warns his readers, in the illiterate style that made him an icon of the New Left.
and the beat goes on…
Nor is the passage of their closest comrades into the ranks of the May 19th Communist Movement, which murdered three officers – including the first black policeman on the Nyack force, during an infamous robbery of a Brinks armored car in 1981. Caveat emptor. The point of the omissions is to hide from others (and from Ayers himself) the real-world consequences of the anti-American ideologies, which took root in the Sixties and now flourish on college campuses across the country.
ad with the children of the victims blown up by oAyers’and his merry band of terror assholes?
Nor is the passage of their closest comrades into the ranks of the May 19th Communist Movement, which murdered three officers – including the first black policeman on the Nyack force
Racist too it seems.
Radical.
Bill Ayers is a scion of wealth. His father was head of Detroit’s giant utility Commonwealth Edison
isn’t this the company Axelrod astroturfed for a measure to raise rates?
Ayers’ father, Thomas Ayers, was CEO of Commonwealth Edison as well as a trustee of Tribune Co. and chairman of the board of Northwestern University.
– Wheels within wheels.
[the kinda shit I always say]
newest axelrod astroturf to be on the lookout for – just dumped at JOM
left off the “concerned Christian” – refined I suppose.
Mobybama is working hard, it seems.
Last night was fun and instructive.
But it occurs to me that Palin, et al., has to go further with the Ayers connection to find some way to connect it with Obama’s current relationships [as a trend indicator] or to translate it into what it means for everyday Americans [at the least by highlighting Obama’s evasions and saying ‘who the hell is this guy?’] in order to sway more voters.
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Please go into great detail outlining John McCain involvment in Saudi Politics. Thanks.
I’m glad that conservatives from PW has broken with the liberal east-coast elite media notion that in this election regular small town Americans care about stuff like
1. Which candidate will handle the economy better ?
2. How’re the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan going to be won?
3. What’s going to happen to their healthcare?
and
4. What should be done about Gas prices
To their credit, conservatives from PW have looked past the Republican campaign talking points to figure out that the issues that really matter are
1. Does Obama associate with terrorists?
2. Is Obama a Muslim?
3. Is he the AntiChrist?
4. Where is the Michelle Obama “whitey” tape?
i look forward to more detailed, repeated and ultimately inconclusive examinations of these claims in the days to come.
How does Massachusetts keep coming up with great men like Barney Frank and Gerry Studds? HOW do they do it man!!??
Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Perfesser. $150 million contributed to improve schools is doled out to Ayers cronies who produced absolutely no positive result toward the intended purpose. This is the only thing Obama has ever run. This is his experience. And his partner in this enterprise…no, the FOUNDER of this enterprise was and remains an unrepentant terrorist.
Barack Obama pal is an enemy, too
I look forward to the day that you make an accurate representation of what is discussed here instead of describing the cartoons in your head. You must be on the wrong blog.
Here’s a great tutorial on how the radical left hitches up to The One:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
Nice try, sashole, but not close to breaking the straw man record.
Baracky wouldn’t handle the economy well cause he is an ignorant socialist tool.
Baracky says ohnoes the gas prices are high leave that drill alone and help me put up this windmill, quick!
Ignorant.
Baracky would never stain his record with a victory in war. Not an American victory anyway.
As much as I would like to think trying to expose Obama’s close ties with Ayers and his other corrupt friends would make a difference, it will not. Those who are going to vote for Obama (apparently close to 2/3rds of the voting public) are unaffected by any negative information about him. As a matter of fact, his radical associations, and radical left quotes of the last few years are a plus.
My jaw drops sometimes in awe (the fearful kind) when I have had conversations with liberals (friends and family). Particularly when they have, without equivocation said that America needs to be put down a notch, and its time to relinquish our leadership in the world because after all we are unworthy of such a position anymore. And that we have cause most of the suffering in the world because of our selfishness.
I recently had this discussion on a subway with my sister after she said as much. It rolled off her tongue with no thought, it was an excepted concept, of course that is how you think about America.
I wanted to yell “you first.” You be the first to give up the freedoms of the country that has allowed you to become so insulated from reality. You can start with YOUR pocketbook, check the box on your tax form to give more of your taxes, because after all you care so much more. And then go to Canada and try out their healthcare plan, see if you can go from doctor to doctor for a second opinion like you always do. Blah.
All my sisters (3) truly are interested and generous individual, who have worked hard for what they have. But there is such a disconnect with them as to what they have and how they had the opportunity to get it — and it is such a bewilderment to me.
Is nothing you can say factually that will sway or do such a frame of mind? No honest discussion of an issue has taken place nationally in the past 30 years, and we reap the results of a population unable to think critically.
Even if we were to hang on feebly for the next 4 years with McCain. I’m beginning to think even those 4 years will not even be worth the bother. Keep in mind the indoctrinated educational system. There’s nothing to work with here. No sense of history, poor hard science skills, an ideology that distorts and confines critical thinking and innovation. And absolutely no knowledge of basic economics.
Just saying I think we done for.
Baracky’s bitch is in healthcare. If we reason from the record his healthcare plan is to double her salary if he wins a higher office.
People who hate America love Baracky, kasper. That’s been Baracky’s media’s plan all along. They’ve done all they can to instill contempt for America, full-bore and unabashedly since opportunistically seizing upon Katrina. Our politics are more Venezuelan than we want to admit.
Great, happyfeet.
I’ll pass that on to her. She’ll be thrilled.
Hey, are you a government employee by the way? Because things will be hunky-dorry for you. Your job and benefits will never end.
Bless you.
I see the Sashal Sockpuppet is back again. His English may be better, but he’s even worse when it comes to setting up the usual leftwingnut strawmen.
We already know O! associates with terrorists (Ayers/Dohrn), so that issue is settled. But Muslim? Anti-Christ? The “whitey” tapes? Give me a fucking break.
As for what “small town Americans” think about the issues, you don’t have a fucking clue. That “the war”, “the economy”, “healthcare”, etc, ad nauseam are just lefty echo chamber memes that don’t mean a damn thing. Better stick to taking your Lightbringer’s milky loads and leaving the thinking to the grown-ups. Because as a “rhetoritician” you are a dismal flop.
No. I work for private sector liberals. They build wine cellars and exhort us with a green tip of the week on our intranet.
They were a lot more greener before but even other liberals told them to knock it off cause it was too gay for them even. It was one of those really startling exemplars of how committees get out of control. This prefigures a Baracky pezzydency I think.
89,HF
Interesting that you are talking about economyeconomy
Happyfeet, I do hope you use those green tips religiously each and every day. Cause, you know, its going to “make a difference” and all.
(Actually, making wine cellars sounds like a great job.)
The Economist has nothing to do with the economy, goofball. You’re like those people who think Newsweek has something to do with news, aren’t you?
However, in fairness, it does come out once a week.
“In Pravda, is no izvestia. In Izvestia, is no pravda.”
OH. no. They build the wine cellars for themselves I mean.
The rapidity and rabidity of yesterdays response to Palin really is the best rebuttal to ‘kasper.’
This election is that close. Obama/Axelrod knows it, and they are desperate to squash anything that might sour him with the swing state voters.
Palin just needs to keep repeating it, and adding a new tidbit to each statement, so that the MSM will be forced to issue another rebuttal, all the while it stays in circulation.
Ans Sashal will keep cutting and pasting the talking points.
Baracky just needs to explain why he let terrorists recruit him, ThomasD. Simple as that and then we can get back to talking about the issues.
1. Which candidate will handle the economy better ?
2. How’re the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan going to be won?
3. What’s going to happen to their healthcare?
and
4. What should be done about Gas prices
1. McCain
2. Keep on, keeping on. BTW, we *are* winning in Iraq.
3. What? Has something happened to my Blue Cross plan?
4. Nothing.
1. Does Obama associate with terrorists?
2. Is Obama a Muslim?
3. Is he the AntiChrist?
4. Where is the Michelle Obama “whitey†tape?
Now you’re just being silly. I’m wondering if you ever really read what is posted here. I thought you were a bit more thoughtful, Sashal. Way back when. Did you fall and hit your head at some point?
Feets, I concur wholeheartedly. If Obama wants to put this to rest all he needs to do is answer a few simple questions. Maybe at the next debate…
Just saying I think we done for.
Those such as your sisters – and we all know and have seen many like them, unfortuneately – are already done for, since they have what is in effect an incureable, terminal hate of something – probably a hate of self and/or life – which they simply can’t handle and for which they then have to blame someone [else], or else some congered up vague paranoid fantasy construction, as their only [pathologically infantile] solution.
“We” don’t have this disease: so, hey, look at the bright side! Furthermore, it ain’t over ’til it’s over – and it’s never over.
Just sayin’ we ain’t done for.
Also he should apologize for giving $150M to radical terrorists that wanted to brainwash schoolchildren I think. It doesn’t have to be a big deal, just a sort of sheepish I’m sorry if anyone was offended thinger.
And though the last lights from the black west went, morning at the brown brink eastwards springs I think JP.
4. Where is the Michelle Obama “whitey†tape?
I dunno. Why don’t you ask the Hillary supporter who was flogging it?
Obama’s track record on the economy; beside being sponsored by Lehman, Fannie & Freddie, Pritzker’s Superior Bank, Countrywide, WaMu; in other words institutions that went belly up none. His advisers like Franklin Raines, James Johnson (who gave us Geraldine Ferraro & John Edwards, twenty years apart) of course have him run a GSE, Jamie Gorelick, who’s failed more than anyone has tried.
His track record on the multiple fronts in the War against jihadism, Sunni & Shia; lipservice to the goal, but no acknowledgement of the tactics needed to suppress the problem, whether it be the surge, Gitmo, the Terrorist Surveillance Program, et al, even sanctioning of the IRGC. Plus a fundamental
misunderstanding of the motivations of the jihadist motivations.
This is encouraged by naive advisors like Richard “Winnie the Poe” Danzig, Samantha Powers, the student of genocide who refuses
to learn the implications of her research,Robert Malley, who according to his research, would have given the Algerian GIA a new lease on life, and acts according with Hamas.
Has a totally unworkable health care plan, and apparently is only dissapointed that oil prices rose up too quickly, but is
unwilling, against the prospect of further domestic energy exploration, and instead would have us continue to burn our food as fuel (the ethanol gambit)
Well to look on the brightside Fallout 3 comes out in a couple weeks.
Darn it, #92
excepted = accepted
we = we’re
As if Ayers hasn’t been blogged about for months – but the moment Palin mentions it they storm the internet, spittle flying.
Yeah well it’s one thing for the dextrosphere to talk about it, that is safely contained within a section of the internet. When the VP candidate does, that’s out in the press and cannot be ignored, they have to silence it as fast and hard as possible.
Baracky’s Associated Press is on the case, Christopher.
When the VP candidate does, that’s out in the press
Indeed it is.
Naturally, they’re spinning it as hard as they can, but they can’t ignore it any more.
Has anyone in the mass media asked Joe Biden, y’know, the member of the Democrat ticket with the foreign policy experience, what the heck he was talking about when he said during the debate last Thurs that:
?
Anyone?
God I hate the AP. From Happy’s link:
The AP certainly is hard at work shilling for O!
What’s creepy is how Baracky’s Associated Press is working with a German polling company to spin stories for Baracky. Why would they need a non-American partner for that?
We, the Associated Press, do not care one whit whether Palin “intends” to be a racist, because We the Associated Press “intend” to make her out to be a racist. That is all.
Maybe if Baracky stayed away from anti-American terrorists people would perceive as being “just like us” more. Just a thought.
perceive *him* as I mean
A hypothetical–you are asked to serve on a voluntary committee, but there is one caveat. At every meeting of the committee, there will be a huge, steamiing pile of smelly shit at the table. You agree and serve regualrly for years.
What can we conclude? That you like and approve of piles of shit? Maybe, maybe not. That your smeller has malfunctioned? Maybe, maybe not. That you are weird beyond belief? Definitely.
Baracky’s Associated Press is on the case, Christopher.
Un-fucking-believable. No, check that…entirely believable coming from the AP.
Pound away at it, Sarah. You know you’re over the target when you get flak like this.
Firebomb the pentagon? According to the AP, it was just a little “non-fatal” explosion.
What are a few firecrackers for PEACE and JUSTICE?
And nobody, like, set it off, if you read the AP article. It just asploded in a gentle, non-fatal way.
Nothing about the plans for the nail-bomb, at a dance.
Nothing about the late-night firebombing of the Judge and his wife and kids.
BB, why the fark are you trying to drag Bush’s connections to Saudi’s into the picture? And why are you so stupidly coy about the comparison you wish to draw. It’s so fucking irritating.
And there you already have your answer, SarahW.
Nail-bombing for peace.
Paul Hill got the big blue needle. Ayers and Dohrn got tenure. Tell me the Left doesn’t take care of its own.
Hmm, here’s an interesting thought experiment.
Take some of Weather Underground’s manifesto and just replace words like ‘United States’ or ‘capitalist system’ with ‘Obama” and ‘Obama Campaign’ then start plastering the revised manifesto all over the place. Only rename yourself Climate Change Underground.
I’m guessing those oh so tolerant leftover lefties would have the Secret Service down on your ass in a heartbeat. woudl that the State had crushed Weather underground so mercilessly.
Now, if Anonymous really was what they purport to be, they’d still be all over this.
In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers’ day 40 years ago.
Dang! I thought it was just out here in the pacific northwest that folks don’t see “homegrown anarchists” as a threat.
From ‘The War Within’ Bob Woodward
You mean the novel he wrote? The one where he just made up the ‘quotes?’
Impressive.
Right – for starters, think Infants Gone Wild and, of course, “button pushing” as self.
A given strategy’s results will often take years and in some cases, decades to unfold. See Kennan, George.
kasper,
DO you ever ask her which country SHOULD be leading the world, since “we’re not worthy” anymore?
OH. no. They build the wine cellars for themselves I mean.
Yes, thats how shitty the economy is. They have to build their OWN wine cellars. Oh the horror. It’s like breadlines and shit.
Seriously Cleo, does comment 135 actually make sense to you? I mean in a coherent, this is a logically structured statement kind of way?
Is there anyone who can dispute the Economic impact of the Iraq debacle?
There are people who will dispute anything, for instance I think overall the economic impact of the Iraq invasion was probably a wash, that the benefits about balanced out with the costs. I feel quite sure you would dispute that.
Also you would please give that fucking Woodward book a rest and read something else for God’s sake.
In your opinion.
Fighting a war on the doorstep of the Wahhabi regime; where the best of the Ilkwan have been decimated; is better than in a remote spot like Afghanistan. Bin Laden’s ostensible goal was to drive the Crusaders out; and restore the Caliphate; which was last held in Ottoman hands. Despite Islam’s origins in Felix Arabia; the Caliphate has rested in Egyptian (Fatimid)Syrian
(Umayyad)and Mesopotamian(Abbasid)hands. If we were to redeploy from Iraq, too suddenly; much like the Israeli retreat from the territories; it would confirm the necessity of the Salafi/Wahhabi.
Bin Laden has been defeated in Iraq, much like the Ilkwan tribesman were forced back in the 20s; after the vacuum created by the British retreat from Iraq, and the 1st Wahhabi kingdom was driven back after their sacking of Najaf & Karbala, by the forces of Muhammed Ali Pasha. It took another 14 years to bottle up the Wahhabis back into the Nejd, though.
Bin Laden does pose a problem that the great callers of the ummah
haven’t really solved. If the Sauds and their retainers in the Al Sheikh group can be corrupted; mostly by the byproduct of un-warranted effort; what hope is there for them.
“I mean in a coherent, this is a logically structured statement kind of way?â€Â
If the economic link to the WOT is no the Jihadist’s MOA, then please, at least dispute the notion with soem of your own logic.
I guess not. I will try to respond to my best guess at what that gibberish is supposed to signify. How much did the attack and destruction of the World Trade Center cost? What is the actual cost of the Iraq incursion, by that I meant the amount over and above what we would have spent on the military otherwise, and how does that compare?
Finally, if we hadn’t moved the front to the Middle East, how many attacks and at what cost might we have suffered in the past seven years?
What financial condition do we find ourselves in today? The one Barack’s buddies Barney Frank, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson, Chris Dodd, etc. put us in. The one Bush (2003) and McCain (2005) tried to deal with, but not having the 60 Republican votes needed (and Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chafee don’t count) couldn’t stop the Democrats from protecting their Fannie friends and donors.
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/4 @ 7:11 pm #
Do you speak English?
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Comment by maggie katzen on 10/5 @ 1:17 am #
eh, I know most of the 9/11 people were Saudi…. are they all related?
The rich ones, mostly, yes.”
Like your Mom and Dad, right thor?
Comment by Semanticleo on 10/5 @ 11:09 am #
Do you speak English?
As you know, the Iraq ‘budget’ is and was not included in the actual budget.
I have no idea what you mean.
This cooked set of 2nd books, means that the total cost of the Iraq debacle
which is NOT in the budget, is the cost.
The secret total cost is the cost? Dude are you capable of anything but gibberish?
It’s projected at 750 Billion to One trillion.
By whom? Where?
To which I counter; What financial condition do we find ourselves in today?
The housing crisis was caused by the war in Iraq? Seriously?
and what constitutes an attack, including those fiscal decisions which aid in the
Jihadist’s objectives.
More gibberish. You might ought to check out CNN’s website. They are looking for your kind of talent I hear.
WTF are you babbling about?
Cleo. Knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
Are you a stuttering dope? You act like one.
um, you’re missing some numbers there, cleo. where is the difference coming from ya think?
And no, I’m am not saying the housing crisis was caused by the Jihadists. It’s
the RESULT their after and getting us into Iraq was a god-send for them because they knew it would break out bank.
I give up. You are hopeless.
ACCEPTING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM ASSOCIATES OF KNOWN TERRORISTS?
The Ayers-Weber-McCain connection. Truth? Guilt by Association? We report. YOU Decide!
Arnold R. “Arnie” Weber is a Chicago Annenberg Board Member and Chicago “insider”. He was a part of the Nixon White House. Arnie Weber has held other Washington “insider” jobs too. He is a LONGTIME REPUBLICAN DONOR. But get this: Arnie Weber was a BOARD MEMBER of the infamous **CHICAGO ANNNENBERG CHALLENGE** organization, which was founded by known “TERRORIST” Bill Ayers!
Sarah Palin was using “guilt by association”. This, however, is a two way street but Gov. Palin may not understand this.
NEW INFORMATION SHOWS THAT JOHN MCCAIN HAS ACCEPTED “TAINTED” CAMPAIGN MONEY FROM ARNIE WEBER, AN ASSOCIATE OF BILL AYERS.
Arnie Weber has given the maximum legal amount of $1,500 to the McCain campaign in 2008. He probably would have given more if allowed by law. In 2008, Arnie Weber made two separate donations of $1,000 and $500 to McCain’s presidential campaign run by EX-LOBBYIST AND WASHINGTON INSIDER RICK DAVIS.
I demand that Senator McCain denounce this man, Arnie Weber, and his associations to “terrorists” (as defined by his vice-president, Sarah Palin). I call on Senator McCain to reject these tainted donations. John McCain should then investigate how such a thing could possibly happen inside HIS OWN CAMPAIGN before seeking to cast stones at Senator Obama. McCain’s campaign CEO, RICK DAVIS, needs to explain to the AMERICAN VOTERS his reasons for accepting this dirty money. Are they really that desperate to win this election? Doesn’t John McCain still believe in the honor that he felt when defending this country against the enemy in Vietnam where he served as a prisoner of war for years?
THE “LIBERAL MEDIA” SHOULD ASK JOHN MCCAIN WHY HE ACCEPTED THIS TAINTED CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THIS “TERRORIST” ASSOCIATE. Incredible as it may sound, Arnie Weber doesn’t even DENY that he ASSOCIATED FOR YEARS with a “KNOWN TERRORIST”.
This is probably because he hasn’t been asked.
Now for the reality check: It turns out that these types of “facts” are simply BASELESS SMEAR ATTACKS WITH NO MERIT! Yes. It is true. Attacks like this are meant to distract the uninformed voters near the end of an election. We don’t hear about them very often because most candidates have too much integrity to run them. They know that winning an election based on lies is unacceptable. Besides, people want to talk about REAL issues affecting REAL lives, not play a game of “6 degrees of Kevin Bacon”.
Random associations are EASY to find. For instance, it turns out that you can trace Obama’s FAMILY TREE to both George W. Bush (10th cousins once removed) and Dick Cheney (eighth cousins). Yep! They are legally RELATIVES. This is yet another useless “fact” for Trivial Pursuit lovers, but it is not worthy of any media time in this national election for the greatest country on God’s green earth.
If you want some more guilt by association, here is something to find out for yourself. Who said this? Who supports this guy and his political party? “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won’t be buried under their damn flag.”
Guilt by association is an attack on voters and on the electoral process. Voters need to learn about the issues. Governor Palin should apologize for raising this STUPID guilt by association tactic against Senator Obama. And if she REALLY believes what she is saying, she REALLY should demand that they return “Arnie” Weber’s campaign donations. Seriously. To do anything short of that would be blatant hypocrisy.
“Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don’t have much of a vision for the future or you’re not ready to articulate it.” [John McCain – The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer – 2/21/2000]
Shut up, Axelrod.
It’s all falling apart.
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