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Debate open thread

— And please, thor: wipe up after yourself this time. Or at least use a wad of Kleenex or a sock like normal guys do.

Also, in case you haven’t already seen it: Burning down the house. (thanks to Spies, et al)

554 Replies to “Debate open thread”

  1. happyfeet says:

    thor has been really quiet all day. This whole debate thing has a mom do I hafta feel to it I think.

  2. Mikey NTH says:

    Pokin’ a stick in the cages again, Jeff?
    It is instructive to see what sort of supporter Sen. Obama has.

    Attitude? Check.
    Uniform? Working on that.

  3. Pablo says:

    Have you noticed how thor has pretty much given up on singing the praises of O!? And since his heart was never in Maverick bashing, he’s reduced to expressing his Pain Derangement Syndrome, while people mostly just laugh at Joey Hairplugs.

    There’s a lesson in there.

  4. N. O'Brain says:

    “Uniform? Working on that.”

    Brown shirt and little feces mustache for thor.

  5. dre says:

    I hope Baracky has an opportunity to hawk his gold coins.

  6. thor says:

    For some repetitious lines of “eff you, slut, suck my balls!” is the high water mark of their literary genius. Upon reading the same lines directed back they then feel naked and vulnerable.

    It’s never I’m OK, You’re OK. They want to ride the podium like a pony. A unicorn pony is what they asked Daddy for, and dammit, they’ll hold their breath if they don’t get one!

  7. guinsPen says:

    Yet we can’t pry you off the front of the beast.

  8. Roland THTG says:

    I’m OK, you’re all fucked up.

  9. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    thor’s been trying to derail this thread.

    Ain’t gonna happen.

  10. dicentra says:

    Where’s it being broadcast? I’m at work, and I have an internet feed.

  11. happyfeet says:

    If I do go ahead and do this debate thing I hope to God they address the carbon crisis. I’d hate to see that get lost in all this airy-fairy collapse of capitalism whatnot everyone’s been on about all week. The earth has a fever you know.

  12. dicentra says:

    Never mind. Charles linked to it on C-SPAN.

  13. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    dicentra: should be on C-SPAN here.

  14. thor says:

    Well, the thread’s entire thrust is thor, so no derailing would be necessary, eh Plato.

    Your juvenile attempts to own all the words that paint PW are no going well. Man your buttons, soldier!

  15. dre says:

    “The earth has a fever you know”

    The GoreGoons™ are taking care of that.

  16. dicentra says:

    At 9pm eastern? So, like, 2 hours after Jeff posted this thread.

  17. dicentra says:

    The earth has a fever you know.

    And the only cure is MORE CARBON!!!

  18. dicentra says:

    Oh, and sorry, Jeff, but I’ll be over at Ace’s during the debate.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/274308.php

    Yes, I’m as fickle as the weather.

  19. happyfeet says:

    that’s just an hour from now, really. I haven’t even thought about what I’m gonna wear.

  20. happyfeet says:

    I’ll be here. Not here here but at home here.

  21. guinsPen says:

    the… entire thrust

    Hail teh hammer !

  22. dre says:

    This is an outrageous and shocking attempt by the Obama campaign to again employ Stalinist, police state tactics against those who dare to disagree with Barack Obama,” said Ed Martin, American Issues Projects president.

  23. Bob Reed says:

    What Ho! Unleash the dogs of War!!!

    Wait…O! was against the war, before he was for it…or some permutation of that…

    Gentlemen, come out of your corners…and no hitting below the belt!

  24. Bob Reed says:

    Or for no preconditions, before he was against them…or sumpin’ like that…
    (He walks away muttering…)

  25. N. O'Brain says:

    “Gentlemen, come out of your corners…and no hitting below the belt!”

    Why?

    O!bama ain’t got no balls.

  26. Mikey NTH says:

    And ignore the remittance man – and all other trolls.

  27. guinsPen says:

    I say they need to be emphasized and laughed at.

  28. mojo says:

    “You can see it in their eyes as they sit and work the wheels and levers of Government: There really is such a thing as a free lunch…”

  29. Darleen says:

    Argh…. the traffic home SUCKED tonight (thank you Jerry Brown for So Cal freeway gridlock).

    Just got home and on here….

  30. happyfeet says:

    oh. Citgo is now sponsoring NPR. Who’da thunkit. Nice Chavez monies making pretty radio noises.

  31. Darleen says:

    and sh*t I just had to sit through an anti-prop-8 ad…

  32. happyfeet says:

    They have that post-menopausal crone hoochie one hosting tonight.

  33. Rovian Conspiracy is Live-blogging…

    Another Rovian Conspiracy is live-blogging the debates….

  34. happyfeet says:

    by definition no less

  35. Darleen says:

    30 seconds in and O still hasn’t answered the question

  36. Darleen says:

    Obama’s first lie of the night

  37. happyfeet says:

    ok gack on the thoughts and prayers for stupid Kennedy

  38. guinsPen says:

    Touche.

  39. guinsPen says:

    We’re fucked.

  40. Darleen says:

    Obama taking credit for warning on Fannie Mae??? WTF

  41. guinsPen says:

    Yo, yo, yo, man.

    English, please !

  42. Ric Locke says:

    Pray for Teddy, happyfeet.

    When he croaks it’s gonna be beatification, nonstop 24/7. We should hope we can stave it off ’till next spring or so.

    Regards,
    Ric

  43. guinsPen says:

    Say, when does the debate start?

  44. Darleen says:

    Obama is politicking again… is he trying (like I’ve heard) to get a rise out of McCain?

  45. guinsPen says:

    Dar,

    I was trying to decipher Senator Obama.

  46. happyfeet says:

    oh. Good call, Ric. This is really hard to follow when Baracky is talking.

  47. dre says:

    “hire lobbyists”

    O! nice fannie mae money you have.

  48. guinsPen says:

    Blast.

  49. Sdferr says:

    McCain refuses to address Obama directly, talking at Lehrer instead.

  50. PC says:

    I’m so freaked out. I can’t decide if it’s the debate or the laxative I took earlier that has me running to the bathroom every few minutes.

    Please tell me McCain is coming off strong. Please.

  51. Darleen says:

    FINALLY McCain going after Obama over earmarks

  52. Darleen says:

    Obama “earmarks have been abused” heh

  53. Darleen says:

    Obama is doing the class warfare thing

    and the 95% taxcut LIE…argh

  54. guinsPen says:

    So, who gets paid every day?

  55. serr8d says:

    Tax cuts will stimulate the economy. JFK proved that

    “Grow the economy from the bottom up”. Riiight.

    Working Americans sign their own paychecks, huh?

  56. happyfeet says:

    I don’t like how Baracky calls me an ordinary American. He’s the one whose woman can’t keep her ass out of Target.

  57. serr8d says:

    Obama’s giving much finger.

  58. Sdferr says:

    No mention that 30 + % don’t pay taxes at all.

  59. Darleen says:

    ah ah ah ah ah

    The Obama tell that he is lying

  60. serr8d says:

    Didn’t the Dems prevent the line item veto thingy?

  61. Darleen says:

    Sdferr

    That 30% will get a check…wealth transfer

  62. happyfeet says:

    I are not ordinary, off-track and struggling. Dick.

  63. Sdferr says:

    Wanna make it easier for people to buy gas? DRILL FOR OIL. Not a difficult thing to understand.

  64. Sdferr says:

    I know that DAr, but McCain needs to say it.

  65. serr8d says:

    Obama’s got pouty lips.

  66. Sdferr says:

    So another opening to point it out. Will he?

  67. serr8d says:

    Loopy talking about loopholes…rich!

  68. DonP says:

    After letting O get away with blaming Bush for the credit problems, I’m not holding my breath

  69. happyfeet says:

    This notional free market made Baracky a rich guy. He’s like best friends with Oprah even.

  70. serr8d says:

    Festooned! Word, son.

  71. Darleen says:

    McCain going to the record

  72. Darleen says:

    Obama tried to interrupt McCain and has again

  73. Sdferr says:

    Oh, and I will interrupt you when ever I feel like it.

  74. happyfeet says:

    ok $18B wasn’t a big deal for earmarks but $4B for drilling oil is teh eeevil. What a fucking communist.

  75. Darleen says:

    McCain is laughing at Obama…good!

  76. DonP says:

    Teh OIL COMPANIES!!!!11111ELEVENTY!!!!!

  77. Darleen says:

    Obama’s 10 year energy plan….BWHAHAHAH

  78. guinsPen says:

    healthcare?

  79. dre says:

    “health care” drink

  80. guinsPen says:

    nevermind.

  81. Sdferr says:

    We gonna build 200M new energy efficient cars in 10 yrs. As if.

  82. serr8d says:

    A new grid powered by nuclear energy. Go there, John!

  83. guinsPen says:

    He’s Charlie Bown’s teacher to me.

  84. Darleen says:

    guinsPen

    Obama’s health plan … government
    Obama’s college plan … government
    Obama’s energy plan …. government

    Hello, comrade

  85. happyfeet says:

    McCain has lots of experience sounds like.

  86. Darleen says:

    Obama

    stuttering as he reaches for his memorized speech bits

  87. serr8d says:

    Press him…give up those social program votes!

  88. Sdferr says:

    Oy. Sweaty. And lying about energy.

  89. happyfeet says:

    a mult-I year project. He sounds so proud of hisself.

  90. DonP says:

    Did O just say he wants to nationalize medicare?

  91. Darleen says:

    Obama is really flogging the Bush card

  92. Sdferr says:

    Aha, the lobbyist predicate. Oh and Boooosh.

  93. happyfeet says:

    googling for government is gayer than St. Louis and debating on Friday night put together

  94. Darleen says:

    DonP

    I’m unclear on how private insurers deal with Medicare, but yes, O wants to get rid of em

  95. Darleen says:

    Spending freeze…

    Watch O spin

  96. serr8d says:

    INCREASE funding for votes, O!

  97. dre says:

    “early childhood education” drink

  98. Sdferr says:

    Oh yes, lets do waste more money on ineffective education. Jolly good idea.

  99. Darleen says:

    McCain …. DRILL BABY DRILL

  100. serr8d says:

    Nuclear power…finally. Should’ve done that in ’72

  101. guinsPen says:

    Blast2.

  102. Darleen says:

    Obama is smirking… s.o.b.

  103. Sdferr says:

    Climate change. What a numbnuts fuck.

  104. happyfeet says:

    yay! carbon dioxide molecules everywhere have the fear of God in em now baby

  105. Darleen says:

    serr8d

    Obama/Pelosi/Reid will never allow it.

  106. DonP says:

    “less tax revenue” Yep, especially if you go raising them.

  107. Darleen says:

    Anyone who doesn’t need a taxcut, please raise your hand?

  108. dre says:

    “health care” drink2

  109. Sdferr says:

    My values are little children. Tanks and planes…..not so much says Obama.

  110. serr8d says:

    China said today no more money to loan to America.

    But they’ve cat food if we’d like…

  111. Darleen says:

    “it is your president” feh

  112. serr8d says:

    Urrrgh. Don’t go there.

  113. serr8d says:

    Bush…under the bus. McCain, et tu, brute!

  114. Mikey NTH says:

    Does the moderator look like a puppet?

  115. Sdferr says:

    Jim Lehrer: VIETNAM!! Now what do you say you old war monger.

  116. serr8d says:

    I think Obama is wearing lipstick.

  117. Sdferr says:

    Politically risky my ass.

  118. Darleen says:

    Obama “I was against this war at the beginning”

    which is irrelevant

  119. dre says:

    “politically risky to do so” from a STATE Senator

  120. Darleen says:

    shorter Obama “Saddam should have been left alone”

  121. serr8d says:

    al Qaeda is resurgent? Ha!

  122. Sdferr says:

    Building up al Qaeda cred. Nice.

  123. DonP says:

    Terribly risky. All those democrats in his district might have…um…I mean…Bush might have had him waterboarded!!!

  124. Darleen says:

    McCain just put Obama’s irrelevancy on display

  125. happyfeet says:

    why does the old lesbian man keep interrupting Senator McCain?

  126. Mikey NTH says:

    Watching this on CNN, I think all of them are wearing too much make-up.
    I mean, mom said make-up is to hide blemishes and enhance natural features. But everyone seems to have gone with the ‘more is more’ thing.

    I am not gay.

  127. Darleen says:

    Biden!!1!!1 eleventy!!

  128. serr8d says:

    He’s bragging Biden! Can you believe that?!

  129. Sdferr says:

    That’s his job, hf. He’s just there to help.

  130. PC says:

    LOL ok this is getting better…

  131. dre says:

    Chicago thug

  132. Darleen says:

    “Obama doesn’t understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy”

  133. serr8d says:

    Obama’s smoking!

  134. dre says:

    O! losing big time

  135. DonP says:

    Ooo, McCain’s not letting him cut in!

  136. Darleen says:

    Obama is getting testy

  137. dre says:

    Melt down

  138. Darleen says:

    Obama doesn’t understand there is no “do over” when you have already committed troops

  139. Lyndsey says:

    It certainly looks like he wants a cigarette…I know I would.

  140. Pellegri says:

    BLAR BLAR BLAR AFGHANISTAN because we don’t want people to know I tried to mess up the withdrawals in Iraq.

  141. Darleen says:

    Ah, the 16 month timetable! snicker

  142. Mikey NTH says:

    What is the lapel pin Sen. Obama is wearing?

    BTW, I have a tie exactly like Sen. Obama’s.

  143. Sdferr says:

    patches

  144. serr8d says:

    “give Iraq back it’s country” WTF? We didn’t go in to take Iraq; we went in to free Iraq!

  145. MC says:

    Jim Lehrer: The old lesbian thing…

  146. DonP says:

    “Responsibly” and “in phases”, as long as it’s within 16 months.

  147. Pablo says:

    Baracky is lying again. Mebbe he forgot introducing legislation to cap the number of troops in Iraq pre-surge.

  148. Darleen says:

    McCain is keeping his cool and Obama had to go to the water glass

  149. Mikey NTH says:

    No really – I have atie that looks just like that.

  150. serr8d says:

    He’s also said he would invade Pakistan.

  151. Darleen says:

    Mikey

    I can’t make it out… a skinny flag pin?

  152. MC says:

    Mikey – is that ‘a tie’ or ‘auntie’?

  153. guinsPen says:

    Every intelligence agency said Saddam had WMD.

  154. Darleen says:

    “Paw-kee-stawn” …where did that pronouciation come from?

  155. happyfeet says:

    Why does Baracky say Pakistan and Taliban like a terrorist? That’s creepy.

  156. serr8d says:

    (self-denunciation moment, that… )

  157. Sdferr says:

    I’m amazed Lehrer hasn’t cut McC off yet.

  158. Mikey NTH says:

    We can’t seperate Iraq from Afghanistan, and we have more troops in Iraq than Afghanistan, and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. And some other stuff. Sen. McCain mentions Alexander the Great and how Sen. Obama doesn’t understand how to send troops and getting cooperation from the locals.

  159. Darleen says:

    Obama is backing off his “attacking Pakistan” line

  160. Mikey NTH says:

    ‘a tie’

  161. happyfeet says:

    Baracky is bloodthirsty for some dead Pawkeestawnees.

  162. serr8d says:

    Obama wants to go into Cambodia.

  163. Sdferr says:

    the obama “attack mccain to piss him off strategy” at work.

  164. Darleen says:

    Obama tries to slam McCain on joking about bombing Iran

    Obama doesn’t know the difference between an allie and an enemy

  165. DonP says:

    Barack: “You treated Musharraf the way you should have treated Saddam.”

  166. Mikey NTH says:

    Isn’t a 20th century mindset what Sen. Obama wants to go back to?

  167. dre says:

    O! went to Pakistan. I think he hates the establishment there too.

  168. Sdferr says:

    It is a lie that they weren’t going after al qaeda.

  169. sashal says:

    #164
    me too+ Osama and all fucking AQ

  170. Mikey NTH says:

    Musharraf tried to kill a former US president?

  171. PC says:

    Musharraf regularly murdered his own people? WTF?

  172. Darleen says:

    Yeah, Mikey, and I guess Musharraf was paying bounties to jihadist families

  173. Darleen says:

    Obama “I got a bracelet, too!”

  174. Sdferr says:

    Didn’t know his name without looking. Interesting.

  175. Darleen says:

    “we took our eye off….”

    Wasn’t Obama saying this week that a President has to multitask?

  176. DonP says:

    Nope. In O-world, those are apparently bad things. Seeing as how he thinks we “coddled” him.

  177. Mikey NTH says:

    Each is running hard down their scripts.

  178. Pablo says:

    I’ve got a bracelet. I’m not sure which killbot it’s for, but I’ve got one.

    Liar.

  179. Mikey NTH says:

    The moderator still looks like he was an unused puppet from ‘Team America’.

  180. MC says:

    McCain: “I’ve been there O!”

    Obama: If I had some balls, then I’d have some balls…

  181. Darleen says:

    Mikey

    Obama has ducked any joint appearance with McCain until this debate … so I think each is trying to take the measure of each other.

  182. serr8d says:

    Existential! word, son!

  183. Mikey NTH says:

    I don’t have a candy-cane tie like Sen. McCain has.

  184. Sdferr says:

    He’s not a lawyer.

  185. Darleen says:

    McCain makes the Iran-Iraq connection

  186. Lyndsey says:

    Glad all of you are here–I couldn’t make it through this otherwise. SO many things to get angry about, O!

  187. Sdferr says:

    Bullshit.

  188. Darleen says:

    shorter Obama

    Getting rid of Saddam was wrong because it made Iran stronger.

  189. JR says:

    Note to O: that yellow “Livestrong” thingy? Not the same kind of bracelet, dog.

  190. Pablo says:

    Centrifuges = influence. Dubya should have bombed the crap out of Iran, or perhaps asked them very nicely to ixnay on the ihadjay.

  191. MC says:

    Who does this freakin’ peacenik think he’s kidding?

  192. Mikey NTH says:

    Darleen:

    I think they have their measures, but this was a joust that neither could avoid.

    Sen. McCain is calling out Iran for insurgency stuff.

    The fact that the sports bar I am in has this on the big projection screens says something. What it says I am not sure. Wish they would turn off the juke box.

  193. DonP says:

    O: We need Russia!!!

  194. dre says:

    Is O! a Maoists? He’s got a China thing going.

  195. serr8d says:

    tough love..O! and Dinnerjacket, sitting in a tree..

  196. Darleen says:

    Would someone define me what “tough diplomacy” is? Sharply worded letters? In red ink?

  197. Pablo says:

    Getting rid of Saddam was wrong because it made Iran stronger.

    Except that none of their neighbors like them.

  198. DonP says:

    I’m thinkin’ newspaper cutouts.

  199. I just went to the head and we have some televisions running CNN here at EVIL BASTARDS INCORPORATED. What in the hell is with that graph they have going on? Do they honestly expect anyone to believe this is how “Republicans, Independents, and Democrats” are responding to this emotionally – I guess.

  200. Mikey NTH says:

    I came to the debates late ’cause I was talking on the phone with my little bro. The major.

  201. Mikey NTH says:

    Precondition-less talks brought up.

  202. Pablo says:

    I’ll meet with anybody I want to! So there.

  203. happyfeet says:

    The old lesbian sucks. This is all just like leafing through old Newsweeks so far. I can’t believe I got dressed up for this.

  204. Lyndsey says:

    That whole “talking” thingy has worked oh so well…military dictatorship mean ANYTHING to you, O?????? This man has NO concept of reality.

  205. Darleen says:

    Obama does the “Ahmadawhackjob is not the most important person in Iran” spin

  206. DonP says:

    Hope he’s doing well, MikeyNTH.

  207. dre says:

    “tough diplomacy”

    I’ll have another Sir.

  208. What? We can’t invite assholes over for tea?

  209. Sdferr says:

    Burns was reputed not to have opened his mouth. All he did was sit and listen.

  210. Darleen says:

    McCain is smiling…he must have a come back

  211. Pablo says:

    To countries like Syria? How about Iran, fucknuts?

  212. Sdferr says:

    Kissinger will be out tomorrow explaining how Obama got his meaning wrong.

  213. DonP says:

    “I don’t even have a seal yet.” Priceless!

  214. Lyndsey says:

    Pablo, you just designed a t-shirt: Ixnay on the Ihadjay. Beautiful.

  215. Didn’t North Korea also LIE to Clinton and take aid from us while developing nuclear weapons?

  216. Mikey NTH says:

    no preconditions mean ‘which is to say’, ‘explore’, and strength in our alliances, and we have at least made some progress in DPRK.

    Or what?

  217. RTO Trainer says:

    Naieve, dangerous, doesn’t understand, doens’t understand…

    I like the tone.

  218. Darleen says:

    “Trust but verify”

  219. Pablo says:

    Make the bad man stop!!!

  220. Mikey NTH says:

    How does CNN run that audience reaction graph? Are they working their thumbs like on a game controller?

  221. Sdferr says:

    youbetcha.

  222. Darleen says:

    McCain is laughing at O again and O is looking pissed

  223. happyfeet says:

    It does seem kinda weird that Kissinger is gonna outlive Kennedy. He might could be a ceylon.

  224. Pablo says:

    Maverick gets the crowd reacting. O! gets snippy and interrupty.

  225. Sdferr says:

    Save me Jim!

  226. Wade says:

    I am not parsing words…heh heh…I am NOT!

  227. Darleen says:

    hf

    that’s Cylon ;-)

  228. RTO Trainer says:

    Russia? All of the above.

  229. Victor. says:

    Obama needs a cigarette after that last one.

  230. DonP says:

    Exactly what I was thinking RTO.

  231. McCain is being so racist now. Why should he even be allowed to talk when Obama wants to?

  232. Mikey NTH says:

    When is the puppet Michael Moore to come on and blow himself up?

    McCain is Spotswoode, right?

  233. Sdferr says:

    A-10’s to Ukraine (sorry, Ric). Manpads too goddamnit.

  234. happyfeet says:

    oh. We just has to explain to Russia they’re doing it wrong. It all seems so clear now.

  235. Darleen says:

    O is going to dictate a tersely worded note to Putin.

    I bet the paper will be a lovely shade of pink.

  236. MC says:

    Ackjad: We wipe-out Israel!

    O!: No you not!

  237. Pablo says:

    Brain cancer is a motherfucker, ‘feets. Teddy knows he’s swirling the drain. Kissinger may already be dead, yet blissfully unaware of it.

  238. Sdferr says:

    patches, Victor.

  239. RTO Trainer says:

    O just lost the Charlie Gibson vote, didn’t he–allowing Goergia, Ukraine and Poland into Nato?

  240. happyfeet says:

    oh. good catch, Darleen. Also that’s almost for sure proof I’m not one.

  241. dre says:

    the ehehehehit makes O! sound weird. Maybe his earpiece is bad

  242. Pablo says:

    Oh, he just set Maverick up. I looked in Putin’s eyes and saw KGB…it’s coming.

  243. What I hear while he blabs: I think we should just trust Russia. I say we start by letting them put “advisers” in Germany and Poland.

  244. Pablo says:

    And there it is!

  245. Mikey NTH says:

    haps:

    That would be a Sri Lanka.

    Unless you meant something else.

    Georgia was a test.

  246. Sdferr says:

    Nice catch Pabs.

  247. Darleen says:

    If Obama was so hot about not legitimizing Amadawhackjob, why did he and his thugs make the Jewish groups doing the protest disinvite Gov. Palin?

    Party First!

  248. but but moscow not war for oil. moscow people live in peace kiss babies and smell flower

  249. Wade says:

    Difference: Obama says “we need a strong alliance”: platitude

    McCain knows we need to strengnthen an existing one: NATO

  250. happyfeet says:

    McCain knows his shit.

  251. Darleen says:

    Oh, my those Russian names just roll off McCain’s tongue

  252. Mikey NTH says:

    McCain knows the names of the political leaders in Ukraine.

  253. Victor. says:

    Mccain is over doing this part.

  254. MC says:

    McCain – takes him to school on Eastern Eurpope…

  255. Sdferr says:

    What a pussy.

  256. Pablo says:

    Maverick has used that line a million times. How could O! possibly have thought quoting Bush looking into Putin’s eyes was a good idea?

  257. Darleen says:

    O! “I’m a lawyer and I FORCEFULLY ‘objected’ to Russia’s invasion”

  258. Sdferr says:

    Obama is, I mean.

  259. happyfeet says:

    that’s impressive P … NPR has this on a delay. This way they can have their clips framed and ready right after.

  260. Sdferr says:

    Russia is screwed by the coming recession. Obama is full of shit on that.

  261. Darleen says:

    Obama’s fake energy plan

  262. Victor. says:

    Lets talk about Energy Jim, not Russia!

  263. Mikey NTH says:

    ‘We need foresight’ like Russian peacekeeprs in Georgia.

    Huh? Why invite the thug to keep quiet.
    Oh. We use to much energy so we can’t upset Russia, and we can’t drill our way out of this.

  264. Pablo says:

    O! “I’m a lawyer and I FORCEFULLY ‘objected’ to Russia’s invasion”

    Once I got a peek at Maverick’s homework….

  265. serr8d says:

    Obama gives nuclear a chance! Pelosi, Reid, steaming now?

  266. Sdferr says:

    Baracky is going to wave his magic wand and energy is solved.

  267. happyfeet says:

    winter’s a-comin’ … we needs windmills!

  268. PC says:

    This is a schooling. Heh.

    Wonder how the douchebags are going to spin this on CNN and MSNBC? What can they say? “McCain looked OOOOOOOOLD”.
    lol

  269. Darleen says:

    Obama keeps trying to interrupt McCain

  270. Victor. says:

    Nothing says climate change more that Mother Russia.

  271. Darleen says:

    and McCain “soldiers on” HA

  272. Pablo says:

    He’s very interrupty. I…I…I….

  273. I wish they’d store nuclear waste in Chicago.

  274. guinsPen says:

    Asshat.

  275. Matt, Esq. says:

    McCain’s right. Obama is completely naive. He, like his party, will govern based on feelings. I am honestly frightened if the messiah ends up potus. Like really frightened- ie worse than I was when Clinton was elected.

  276. guinsPen says:

    McCain, that is.

  277. Darleen says:

    Rep on Acid

    McCain also said “reprocessing” and O just skipped by it. Reusing it, like France does, makes very little waste to store

  278. MC says:

    O! Not against “nucular” waste – he’s gonna eat it!

  279. serr8d says:

    McCain’s done a fine job. Handed Obama a spanking I think.

  280. Pablo says:

    Obama wants missile defense? Is that new?

  281. Darleen says:

    How the hell does Nuclear proliferation treaties keep dirty bombs from terrorist hands?

  282. guinsPen says:

    Double for the other guy.

  283. MC says:

    Pablo – help me on the ‘look in Putin’s eyes’ thing – what was the setup and what happened?

  284. Sdferr says:

    Well, not so much a suitcase. Try a truck.

  285. Darleen says:

    Pablo

    I think he may have pulled that out of his ass

  286. One thing is for sure. This wasn’t as boring as ANY of the Bush-Kerry debates.

  287. dre says:

    “less respected now” drink

  288. happyfeet says:

    Al Qaeda is never far from Baracky’s thoughts. He wants them to respect us. It tortures him.

  289. Victor. says:

    Where does Obama go with 9-11?

    suitcase nukes…..

    Fear Mongering!

    He just linked AQ to suitcase nukes….

  290. Sdferr says:

    Oh I hate this kind of badmouthing our country.

  291. serr8d says:

    Obama’s head’s hanging. That defeat albatross weighs a ton, it seems.

  292. guinsPen says:

    Fuck ’em both.

    George Bush is responsible for everything except no attacks here since 9/11.

  293. Darleen says:

    I don’t want America “liked” by our enemies… I want them to FEAR us.

  294. Darleen,
    Let’s face the reality here. McCain has been around. He is just simply wiser than Obama. Of course, probably not as intelligent because we all know lawyers are ALWAYS more intelligent than fighter pilots.

  295. Darleen says:

    Obama is repeating himself about AQ

  296. dre says:

    ” China” drink

  297. Sdferr says:

    Al Qaeda is toast.

  298. Matt, Esq. says:

    *McCain’s done a fine job. Handed Obama a spanking I think.*

    Steven Green said Obama’s coming in third in a two person debate. There was a spittake.

    And did Obama really use the word “orgy” earlier ? If I had kids, they’d ask “daddy what’s an orgy” and I’d have to explain it. Thanks The One.

  299. Sdferr says:

    Our economy. 14Trillion GNP.

  300. Pablo says:

    Obama referenced Bush saying how he looked Putin in the eye and attempted to puff his chest up as to how he’d know better. The quote is here.

    McCain has been dropping that “I looked into Putin’s eyes and saw 3 letters, K-G-B.” for like, ever.

  301. thor says:

    Obama is so much taller! A nishi-tron bork bork bork!

    This debate if further illumination as to why Barack Obama is winning the Presidential race against his elder.

  302. Matt, Esq. says:

    He “meets veterans all over the country” and yet can’t stop by the hospital in Iraq to visit with those troops. Does anybody get the impression the only veterans Obama is speaking to are vietnam vets.

  303. Victor. says:

    Our focus on Iraq has distracted America from it’s real enemy…China.

    Did O! really just insinuate that?

  304. Mikey NTH says:

    McCain: Not angry. Graph response on ‘9/11’ repeat good. Trained interrogators, no torture.

    Obama: Not hesitant. Graph response better on ‘9/11. resore America’s standing very popular ith independents.

    McCain: went down with his response on the CNN graph. independents below both D and R. Petreaus and I climbs above D.

    I closer to D on Obama’s response.

    D seems to track I on this one.

  305. Pablo says:

    The Bush quote, that is.

  306. MC says:

    School him Mac! School him!

  307. Lyndsey says:

    Darleen, you are are right–the whole O! misconception that our enemies only need to be understood is what it dangerous to us. They understand us. We disgust them and in their opinion we need to be destroyed. It’s a fairly clear-cut situation in the world in which they live.

    I am totally enjoying McCain’s age and experience right now. It counts.

  308. Darleen says:

    “I don’t need any on the job training”

  309. Pablo says:

    My daddy was from Africa!

  310. Matt, Esq. says:

    “I don’t need to any on the job training. I’m ready right now”

    And Obama responds with a story about his father and Kenya. Is he even trying ?

  311. happyfeet says:

    oh God him and his daddy issues again. He never loved you. Own it. Deal.

  312. MC says:

    We don’t give a crap where you got your name O!

  313. Darleen says:

    Barry is bringing up his dad?

  314. Pablo says:

    And then he went back to Africa and forgot about me.

  315. dre says:

    “less respected now” drink1

  316. Matt, Esq. says:

    we all picked up on that load of horseshit coming from the Messiah.

  317. Sdferr says:

    All the best communist university professors were here then too, right Baracky?

  318. Pablo says:

    He never loved you. Own it. Deal.

    Word.

  319. serr8d says:

    Kenya, a Muslim country. Not really the Africa, that African-Americans relate to.

  320. MC says:

    O!ingo, O!ingo, O!ingo, OBama was his name O!

  321. Victor. says:

    You know progressive just hate it when Obama keeps repeating that lie that America is the best place on earth.

  322. dre says:

    Hut Sweet Hut

  323. Darleen says:

    “I know how to deal with our advisaries and how to treat our friends”

    NICE

  324. Sdferr says:

    Wow, and we thought Jim was a help. Gwenn will show Jim a thing or two.

  325. Mikey NTH says:

    If using CNN’s graph moderator flatlined it.

  326. Darleen says:

    Whoa…Cindy upstages Michelle

  327. serr8d says:

    Wow…M’chelle has eaten a few dozen ice creams too many, it seems… )

  328. Great closer from McCain. Probably not enjoyed by Thor as there was no fingering involved. Maybe later backstage?

  329. MC says:

    I been watching on Fox.

  330. serr8d says:

    MC, I watched Fox as well. No nassty graphs or popups.

  331. Darleen says:

    serr8d

    Michelle is a tall woman, but for all the fluff on how she is such a great style icon, that was NOT the right dress to wear.

  332. Pablo says:

    Darleen, you are are right–the whole O! misconception that our enemies only need to be understood is what it dangerous to us.

    They need to be understood, but for what they are and not some hopenchange bullshit about what they could be. Iraqis, for instance, deserve some of our hope and understanding. But Saddam was a rabid dog that needed putting down. You don’t talk to rabid dogs, you shoot them.

    The same holds true for Iranians and the Mullahcracy.

  333. thor says:

    Comment by Darleen on 9/26 @ 8:36 pm #

    Barry is bringing up his dad?

    Yes, an Ivy league man, his Dad.

    But you go ahead and shine your white low-wattage bulb and dig on his daddy, you beacon!

  334. Just voted for a McCain win on Drudge. I wonder if Obama will be asked to explain the “truth squad” while he is here in Saint Louis?

  335. Darleen says:

    Barry Sr, bigamist, womanizer, parasite, drunk, child abuser, dead.

  336. guinsPen says:

    God bless you, thor.

  337. MC says:

    “There’s something bland and policy-speak about Obama – rounded ages” from Nina! on Fox…

  338. Darleen says:

    Direct Obama lie…the missle defense thing

  339. MC says:

    Bill Kristol – “McCain got under Obama’s skin – not the other way around…”

  340. Sdferr says:

    Fox’s panel girl (name?) got caught in a Democrat talking point on the news show tonight, saying Roy Blunt had said “McCain was not helpful in the talks yesterday”. That particular meme was taken from an altered YouTube clip. So she is a what? She’s a Dem e-mail recipient with a Blackberry, that’s what she is. Oh, and a liar.

  341. Mikey NTH says:

    CNN has very old guys like Wolf on explaining what was just seen, but the bar cut the sound to that so it is all good.

    Like I need them. Shyeah, right.

  342. Diana says:

    Well … that was special.

  343. Darleen says:

    McCain was a bit nervous at the beginning, but he seemed to settle in and really drove it hard in the last half and strongly finished.

  344. happyfeet says:

    NPR in a nutshell … it’s a tie, and if it’s a tie, that’s a definite win for Obama

    I was kind of wondering where they’d come down.

  345. Diana says:

    Y’all have to feel something for the young man. He was out of his league.

  346. Pablo says:

    Bill Kristol – “McCain got under Obama’s skin – not the other way around…”

    RACIST!!!

  347. Mikey NTH says:

    #346 Sdferr:

    I would say that when I am in negotiations anyone who isn’t with me 100% is not helpful.
    And if Congress had dealt with that stuff three years ago….

    Oh wait – they didn’t.

  348. Sdferr says:

    hf, no you weren’t, were you? You’re really just pulling our collective metaphorical legs, right?

  349. Darleen says:

    Sdferr

    Lieberman was on Prager today and the MSM is LYING (along with the excreble Reid) that (1) there was any deal before McCain came to DC (2) that McCain ‘blew’ the deal

    The DEMOCRATS had an exclusive thingy and had shut out House Republicans. McCain got them back into the game and that pissed off Reid, Frank and Dodd.

  350. happyfeet says:

    okay I kinda had a hunch

  351. Y’all have to feel something for the young man. He was out of his league.

    McCain’s speech cadences commanded respect, & Mr. Rock Star couldn’t match them, oratorically speaking.

  352. Sdferr says:

    But Blunt actually said the opposite of what she said he said. The tape was altered. Or am I misunderstanding your thrust?

  353. MC says:

    I can imagine a bunch of MSM producers during the debate: “Get that GD camera off of Obama – he’s looking down, sheepish, beaten, bleatin’, laughin’ like he does when Michelle is scoldin’ him – get that camera off of him!”

  354. Hugh Hewitt is on air now, fist-pumping for McCain. He’s incredulous that Obama brought up North Korea.

  355. Sdferr says:

    For proof, see this post.

  356. Darleen says:

    Sdferr

    I was just underscoring your comment. McCain WAS helpful and it’s not just Republicans saying that.

    Oh, there was an altered video? How unsurprising.

  357. Mikey NTH says:

    #350 haps:

    No you didn’t. You’re such a kidder!

    Okay, there is another guy on CNN with a US flag pin. They need to get pins that aren’t all shiny surfaced because the lights just make the pin look like a block of white. They are all sitting around a kitchen island thing with CNN mugs an laptops which so not real.

    Oh look. They have David Gergen but I can’t hear what he is saying – which is all good.

  358. Sdferr says:

    Oh, I was talking back at Mikey there at 358.

  359. Sdferr says:

    What’s the stupid bitch on the Fox Panel’s name. It’s driving me crazy I can’t remember.

  360. Mikey NTH says:

    Okay, CNN has turned to info-mercial stuff.

    Tells you that they are just so far above late-night UHF tv.

  361. Rich Cox says:

    O! “Teacher! Teacher! Over here! I have my hand up! TEACHER”

  362. MC says:

    Both camps claim victory. What a SHOCK!

  363. Victor. says:

    McCain needs to unpack Obama’s claim of lowering taxes on 95% of households. I think this is a big vote getter for O!

    It sounds good but even Obama knows he is over stating his proposal. If you were listening closely you would have noticed that at forst Obama was only willing to say that people making 40k wont see a tax increase, later when Obama needed some momentum he started exaggerating by saying the 95% of ALL US HOUSEHOLDS will pay lower taxes.

    20% of US households don’t pay any income tax, so what exactly is obama claiming here? less than zero?

    Redistribution? Or was it another false claim?

    A mistake or a tell? Mccain camp should push him back on that.

    He loses on the class-warfare front, this would help I think.

  364. Mikey NTH says:

    You were Sdferr?

    Next time I won’t do a presidential debate from a bar.
    But that would defeat the primary purpose of being at a bar…nice young ladies who bring me cold beverages.

  365. qwfwq says:

    I can imagine a bunch of MSM producers during the debate: “Get that GD camera off of Obama – he’s looking down, sheepish, beaten, bleatin’, laughin’ like he does when Michelle is scoldin’ him – get that camera off of him!”

    Yeah. He looked about as bad as Nixon with the 5 o’clock shadow. Worse, maybe. I predict he’ll try to beg off the other debates. It’ll be interesting to see how he manages it. Maybe he’ll shoot himself in the foot or something.

  366. happyfeet says:

    oh. John McCain just sent me an email. He’s on his way to Washington now. We must put our country first to solve this economic crisis. Because in the end, that’s what leaders do in times of crisis.

  367. Mikey NTH says:

    Thank goodness this is Friday night and I can get semi-drunk w/out all of the guilt.

  368. Warren Bonesteel says:

    McCain wins the debate and goes back to D.C. to put the finishing touches on making the bailout bill work, too…

    (long slow whistle….)

    Never mess with old fighter pilots. They’ll play games with ya before they pull the trigger.

  369. Sdferr says:

    Yeah, 353 I think I didnt get in the context of the outright lie I was accusing the stupid foxpanel girl whose fucking name I can’t remember of telling.

  370. Rich Cox says:

    And bringing up the fact that his father was from Kenya… not an immigrant…. that is going to backfire. ALOT of people are only just now beginning to pay attention, and did not know that. It makes him appear even less… Americany.

  371. Sdferr says:

    Commas are your friend, sometimes.

  372. Diana says:

    Where’s Carin? Her head must be ‘sploding’

  373. happyfeet says:

    did Baracky look that bad for real? He sounded sort of schizophrenic, like he kept reaching for a certain cadence but pulling back like maybe someone had told him in his training sessions not to go there

  374. Rich Cox says:

    @ 369 Victor

    O! also gave a specific income….if he means household making over 250(?)K, that is alot of people who WILL have to pay higher taxes.

  375. Mikey NTH says:

    Oh. My. God.

    CNN has Joe Biden on and the bar has no sound. I don’t know whether to be thankful or…
    I’ll be thankful.

    Wolf speaks and Joe scratches his head. Joe has a pen in his hand,the hand he uses to forcefully point at me. And he has a tie like the tie Sen. Obama wore. Like the one I have.

    I may have to give that tie away.

  376. thor says:


    Comment by Diana on 9/26 @ 9:05 pm #

    Where’s Carin? Her head must be ’sploding’

    I don’t think McCain did that bad.

  377. Sdferr says:

    How could Baracky have looked bad when he won the debate?

  378. Darleen says:

    Victor

    it IS redistribution… Obama’s tax “cuts” have lumped into them refundable tax credits… IE if you don’t own any fed taxes you get a check. Expansion of the EIC.

  379. Rich Cox says:

    @ 381

    Notice the one line from O!…. paraphrased “my running mate is a committee chairman… and HE has been to those countries, etc”

  380. Matt, Esq. says:

    I’m watching this idiotic focus grroup on fox- “why did Obama move you” – “He cared about ordinary americans and he was articulate. McCain stuttered.” These people should not be allowed to vote.

  381. Darleen says:

    #371 He looked about as bad as Nixon with the 5 o’clock shadow

    the first thing my husband said as we settled down to wathc the debate was “is Obama wearing eyeshadow?”

  382. Darleen says:

    Matt

    I guess military people and veterans aren’t “ordinary americans”

  383. thor says:

    Obama’s pulling away in the polls. I don’t think tonight will change that.

  384. MC says:

    Joe Biden is an idiot. Jor B’laden.

  385. Victor. says:

    Darleen,

    It’s on McCain to make that argument. Tonight and every night that he allows O! to make that claim unanswered he loses votes.

  386. dre says:

    Frank Luntz sells “snake oil”

  387. RTO Trainer says:

    Darleen: Well, no. We aren’t. We get reminded of that all the time.

  388. Mikey NTH says:

    Why do I think ‘Longboat Key’ when I look at Ms. Amanpour?

    Good Lord. Henry Kissinger and Madeline Albright.
    And back to Ms. Amanpour, who I cannot hear, but she is very emphatic. Her pen looks like a cheap papermate pen.

    Micahel Ware looks squirrely. John King could go a little lighter on the make-up. A matte finish is for military models, not human faces.

    Jeffery Toobin is engaging the Amanpour in vocal combat. No blood yet.

  389. Darleen says:

    Victor

    Tonight was supposed to be all about foreign policy. I believe the next one will be domestic issues. It WILL come up again.

  390. dre says:

    “Obama’s pulling away in the polls.”

    Dewey beats Truman

  391. Darleen says:

    RTO

    “O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, go away”

  392. Matt, Esq. says:

    *I guess military people and veterans aren’t “ordinary americans”*

    Darleen- yeah, we already know the left doesn’t consider the soldier an “ordinary american”. Personally, I thought McCain spoke most from the heart when he said he’d take care of our veterans. I’m a huge proponent of more support for both our troops and our veterans and I do honestly believe McCain when he says he’ll take care of her. Obama ? Well, we know he wanted to pull troops out of Iraq a year ago. God forbid we let our troops win, we let our families who have lost loved ones in the service to stand tall that their sacrifice ended in victory.

  393. RTO Trainer says:

    I loves me some Kippling.

  394. Matt, Esq. says:

    I also laughed out loud when Obama started accusing the Bush administration of mishandling North Korea. Um, hi, Madeline Albright slow dancing with Kim Jong Il.

  395. happyfeet says:

    Yeah. This NPR post-show is doing the we watched the debate with a select group of morons approach too. Matthew in Hot Springs teaches public school and he calls in and he’s undecided still. He thinks their both incompetent in a crisis. And we lost Matthew. Ok let’s take a short break. I wonder what Matthew said?

  396. Sdferr says:

    Nina Easton, that’s the stupid bitch liar person. Goddamnit.

  397. No mention of Ayers or ACORN that I noticed.

  398. happyfeet says:

    *they’re* I meant

  399. dre says:

    What I don’t like is professional blacks like juan williams coming out and saying O! was rude in the debate.

  400. PC says:

    OMG
    WTF is wrong with Krauthammer lately? Crap on a cracker that guy is such a freaking buzzkill.

  401. MC says:

    OK – we all saw it – why the hell do all the heads have to tell us what they think we saw? In some way we all suck the media teat. Wish it actually had some sustenance.

  402. happyfeet says:

    Now they’re talking to a real live Ukrainian in the audience. He’s very self-centered, but he’s pro-Russian and he thinks either way our next president sucks. Thanks, Ukrainian guy!

  403. Sdferr says:

    Dr. K is still dismayed at the Palin pick, I think. It gave him too much pause already and now he feels like the rug could be jerked out from under his [wheelchair] feet at any minute, kinda like the rest of us if you think about it.

  404. Victor. says:

    i got to hear that.

  405. Mikey NTH says:

    Commercials for allergy meds. Now ‘Art Van Furniture’. Gotta get the local ads in too.

    Now back to the professional squabblers. Is it just me or do they yak more than the actual cndidates?

    Who the devil is Candy Crowley and why should I care? She has a very earnest chain-mail-like necklace. Wolf has her on a big screen – probably safer for Wolf.

    Oh. There’s Donna Brazile. She is standing up at a ‘Jeopardy like lectern.

    Who the devil is Leslie Sanchez? She looks like ‘second wife – briefly – of someone important’.

    Shouldn’t Alex Castellanos who ever he is be doing high school sports reports on am? H e looks like that. What is it with the matte finish make-up CNN is using? I don’t think these people could break a sweat without being powerwashed first.

    The little guy on the end with the receding hairline looks almost human.

  406. MC says:

    I feel for you Mikey. The beer served by an attractive waitperson – $3 – being subjected to CNN (even without sound) – Priceless!

  407. Matt, Esq. says:

    I’m finding it amusing some of the Fox commentators are commenting on how “Obama really appealed to ordinary people”.

    Oh yeah, I can appeal to ordinary people too if I don’t mind spending absurd amounts of money. I mean seriously- we have a financial crisis but Obama is still selling universal health care. Dear Obama- how do we pay for it without raising my taxes?

  408. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “No mention of Ayers or ACORN that I noticed.”

    – O! don’t worry, this party has just gotten started.

  409. happyfeet says:

    Some Republican guy calls in and he’s blah blah blah. Now we talk to Jorge the Independent. Best Debate Ever!!! says Jorge. He liked how McCain had a nice moment with the I will take care of veterans thing. Then – finally something interesting – he says he thought Baracky’s best moment was when he said “I have a bracelet too” … and the audience laughs … that’s gonna stick then. That was definitional I think.

  410. urthshu says:

    Ddn’t get to watch much of it, but I did get to speak with this O!bot briefly.

    She said that McCain talked about being bipartisan but really was kinda mean to O! the whole, like, time, you know? And that rilly didn’t strike her as bipartisan.

    *sigh* fkn idiots

    /good night

  411. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “I’m finding it amusing some of the Fox commentators are commenting on how “Obama really appealed to ordinary people”.

    – Class warfare is the oldest game in the book. It seldom is enough to win at the ballot box.

  412. happyfeet says:

    Some gay guy thinks Baracky sucks. That’s interesting I guess. He thinks Baracky should stop warmongering about Pakistan. NPR patiently explains to him how mixed up he is.

  413. Victor. says:

    Yea, McCain really just punted on the economy. “Yeah, of course I’ll vote for it” was weak in relationship to I’ll suspend the campaign until this crisis is resolved.

  414. Sdferr says:

    I just want it to be known for the record that I would not approve of nuclear waste being stored in Chicago cause that is where Rick Santelli lives and I think he’s one of the sanest persons on the planet. Or I heart him, which is another way to put it.

  415. Darleen says:

    urthshu

    McCain was “mean” to O? But O got to run all over McCain’s talk time because he’s entitled to?

  416. RTO Trainer says:

    Heh. I watch these things on C Span. No talking heads, all of the time.

  417. happyfeet says:

    Sarah in Lake Geneva is upset with Obama for not kicking McCain’s shitty lying ass more better. Sarah is not very chill. We’re just gonna let her let it all out for a minute. Sarah says Karl Rove is involved. Sarah is not very chill.

  418. Mikey NTH says:

    There is a CNN Express bus. That’s cool! You could drive around the country and solve mysteries!

    Gergen folded his laptop. The other guy has word up, but nothing on it. Why bother turning it on unless you want people to think your’e cool. Dork.

    Anderson Cooper has a very rectangular skull. Campbell Brown looks almost Mary Tyler Moore like on the old Dick Van Dyke Show.

    John King was holding his hands like he was cupping water. Michael Ware still looks like a hyper rodent on a coffee-buzz.

    Ms. Amnapour has the pelt of some unfortunate animal on her head. It may be fake, or it may be her hair.

  419. Victor. says:

    Santelli is a smart guy.

  420. B Moe says:

    I really wish McCain would point out the difference between goals and plans to Obama, but I imagine it would sail right over most folks heads. It is really starting to piss me off how Obama keeps getting by with naming all these fantastic goals as if just giving them a name is going to bring them about.

    I missed most of the debate, but really liked McCain mocking Obama’s “negotiations” with Iran:

    “So Achmed says “We are going to eliminate Israel”, and you say “No you’re not”? Please!”

    That should have been a winner, but I haven’t heard anyone mention it.

  421. MC says:

    B Moe – Fox has been playing that “No you’re not. Please” – going to commercial…

  422. happyfeet says:

    Some new hoochie says it’s important how we are perceived abroad and we should spend more money on the State Department cause Nick Kristof says. NPR says McCain would for sure cut the State Dept budget but that they can’t say that specifically since McCain hasn’t said he would, but for sure, yes, he would. That’s my NPR!

  423. Bob Reed says:

    Somehow the MSM will say that Mav is a RAAAAAACIST ! because he wouldn’t look at O! but chose to seemingly speak to Jim Lehrer all night…

    Overall, I thought that McMav won, both on economics and foreign policy, but I’m biased…

    All that said, O! didn’t do bad or anything, but he did look bad at times and seemed flustered…

    Money Line : “I’m not gonna set the visitors list before I’m president; I don’t even have a seal yet…”

    Ordinance delivered on target…

    And, Btw I was right near the head of this line; It took zero seconds for this debate to transform from foriegn policy to economic. And Lehrer didn’t even use some cheap pretext!

  424. RTO Trainer says:

    I loved the “Doesn’t understand the difference between a strategy and a tactic” part. Because he’s right.

    But he didn’t tell everyone what the difference is, so O! got to say “yes I do.”

    And MOST people don’t know the difference.

  425. Rich Cox says:

    @ 426 B Moe I really wish McCain would point out the difference between goals and plans to Obama

    Or when he called him out on not knowing the difference between tactics and strategy.

  426. Rich Cox says:

    great minds and all that RTO… wot wot

  427. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – I think its hilarious that the Obama camp felt compelled to trot out Viden to cover the “lack of experience” yoke O! has hanging around his neck.

    – Unfortunately some people may notice Biden isn’t running for President.

  428. happyfeet says:

    This is dull though. Ok early day tomorrow. Thanks you guys for watching with me cause I was really not looking forward to it.

  429. Darleen says:

    B Moe

    I’m hoping the McCain campaign snatches that one… they’ve already put up an ad splicing together all the times Obama said “I agree with John McCain”

    http://www.darleenclick.com/weblog/archives/2008/09/mccain_is_right.html

  430. MC says:

    They also just played “I haven’t got a seal” from McCain too…

    The freakin’ MSM is on full O! advocay mode – CNN’s poll: Obama wins 52 – 37! O! At least King says “maybe we should hear what some other one’s say”…

    Fox’s ‘text vote’ mode is McCain 82% to Obama 16%…

  431. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Fox just put up a poll showing that 82% think that McCain won the debate. 16% said O!, and 1% undecided.

    – So there you go.

  432. MC says:

    Jinx Big Bang!

    Night ‘feets…

  433. Sdferr says:

    we should spend more money on the State Department cause Nick Kristof says

    Personally, I’d rather we dissolved the damned thing and started all over again. We’ve done bigger things. And they can take the stinking CIA with ’em. Blow ’em up, they’re too full of losers for “reform”. Adios. Sayonara. Beat it jerks.

  434. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Cholms looks like hes in shock. Heh.

  435. Rich Cox says:

    Gotta fly in the morning. Thanks all from me too.

    Audi

  436. Darleen says:

    I was disturbed by how Obama was saying “Paw-KEE-stawn” (pakistan) and “Tawl-EE-bhan” (taliban)

    and GW has been savaged over “nu-cu-lar”

  437. RTO Trainer says:

    Getting backed into a corner on Afghanistan/Pakistan, O! reminds us he’s got Biden. Isn’t that an admission of “I don’t have the experience, but don’t worry, I have an old white guy to consult.”

  438. Sdferr says:

    Zacktly, RTO, and a particularly useless motormouth old white guy to boot.

  439. MC says:

    Darleen – O! is using the ‘slamic ‘nunciatin’…

  440. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – #443

    – Exactly.

  441. RTO Trainer says:

    Thanks to Jimmy Carter, who always pronounced “Nuclear” the same way, both pronounciations are listed as proper in the Mirriam-Webster.

  442. Sdferr says:

    O’s been to Pakistan back in his heroin dealing university days.

  443. serr8d says:

    Oh, @ #18: Ace only has 282 comments at the moment.

    Jeff, like McCain, spanks junior.

    ;D

  444. MC says:

    I denounce myself for that.

    Where’s JD?

  445. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Cholms is trying to join Wolfson in rearranging the debate words already.

    – He also wants to keep the poll going. *snicker*

  446. Sdferr says:

    Pat’s.

  447. Bob Reed says:

    Mav:”Senator Obama has the most liberal voting record in the senate…It’s hard to reach across the aisle when you’re that far to the left…”

    Money, Mav…Money!

  448. Drudge poll is 69% McCain 29% Obama and 2% undecided. 188,131 votes

  449. Sdferr says:

    What’s a Cholms?

  450. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – The stupid part of Hannity & Cholms

  451. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Whoa, the Dems have a platoon of talking heads trying to salvage the night for their “boy”.

  452. Mikey NTH says:

    plastic surgery commercials. God has a sense of humor. Middle eastern restaurant. Really sense of humor.

    Soledad O’Brien shouldn’t wear so much brown – she looks like an Irish mini-series. The pearls are a nice touch. She is very earnest. She’s also got a pen in the hand she’s waving around and pointing at me.

    What the devil is it with tv people and pens? Do they think it makes them look all deep and Samual Johnson like? It looks ridiculous.

    Her audience looks pretty subdued – as in they were recruited at gunpoint.

    Oh. They cut away from her focus group. That must have been where the SAS breeched the wall of the studio.

    There is a guy from the Congressional Black Caucus on. I hve no idea what he is saying. His handkerchief matches his tie, and I do not know what his lapel pin is for.

    Ted Rowlands is in someone’s house in Vegas. Get it down fast, Ted, and hit the Strip. His microphone cover is very large, he must not rate high cause he got the old stuff.

    Jeffrey Toobin is what again?

    David gergen has laptop open. Anderson must have scolded him.

    The woman in the dark suit and the red blouse gives off the vibe of ‘do not make her your first – or any other – wife’.

    John King wants people to mistake him for Richard Gere.

    Candy Crowley looks very frightening. She could probalbly arm wrestle me under the table and then threaten to take on the entire bar mano-a-mano.

    John King has apurple tie; Anderson Cooper has a blueishpurple one. does that mean they are close?

    Gergen’s tie is blue with polka dots. Who the heck knows what that means.

    That is Anderson Cooper, right? I don’t follow CNN but I think that is him.

    The woman in the red blouse is making ‘Richard Gere’ reply and he looks frightened.

    Gergen is turning to Toobin for support. Fat lot of good that is. Might as well take an accordian hunting.

    Campbell brown was smiling like she drank the blood of a first born before it was to late.

    No coffee in all of those CNN mugs. Wusses.

  453. MC says:

    I hope somebody will put together the McCain money lines in a nice little vid…

  454. Diana says:

    MikeyNTH …. TURN ON THE SOUND.

  455. MC says:

    He can’t m’lady – he’s in a bar and can’t change the channel…

  456. Mikey NTH says:

    I can’t Diana – I’m in a bar, and they don’t have the sound on for something this trivial.

  457. MC says:

    Damn! Another jinx!

  458. Sdferr says:

    McCain already has an ad on the debate up. Here.

  459. MC says:

    That ad should end with: Is Barack Obama voting for John McCain?

  460. Mikey NTH says:

    CNN is showing the muppet-moderator still in the hall after everyone else left. I said he was a leftover from ‘TA:WP’.

    Good job, though; I can’t see the wires.
    His tie is very distracting.

    Oh look – they’re re-running it again. It was the beginning an muppet-moderator was waiting for them to come in!

    For the love of God – haven’t we suffered enough? This is some cruel ‘Groundhog Day’ thing, right? We’re stuck here doing this live-blog of this debate for all eternity?

    NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

  461. Mikey NTH says:

    Miss? I’ll take my tab.

  462. MC says:

    Come on 1000! Comments, I mean…

  463. Diana says:

    What are you … sleepless in Seattle?

  464. MC says:

    Yesh, m’lady…still a bit lagged you know…

  465. Mikey NTH says:

    Hey MC, I gave it my best ‘from my frontal lobes to the net’ try.

    I think without sound – or barely audible over the jukebox – is an interesting way of dealing with talking heads. Kind of MST3K without sarcastic androids.

    So far as we know.

  466. MC says:

    Yeah, Mikey – I think you had the better experience. The talking heads drive me crazy.

  467. Darleen says:

    talking heads? Pfffft..

    I turned to FoodChannel … Guy is like tempting me with Lebanonese food

  468. Sdferr says:

    Baracky’s strategy seems to be “when in doubt, make up a lie”. It’s virtue is that it is simple and easy to remember. Its downside is, well, YouTube, I think.

  469. MC says:

    Darleen – How does the Food Channel guy pronounce ‘Pakistan’?

  470. Mikey NTH says:

    Tab paid.

    Going home.

  471. Seems there might have been some Tom Foolery on Drudges poll. What was once 180,000 or so votes is now 142,000 votes. McCain still leads 68% to 30%

  472. The thought just occurred to me that Tom Foolery is actually tom foolery.

  473. Bob Reed says:

    O!: “You don’t look into the Russian leader’s eyes and try to see his soul…”

    Mav: “I looked into the Russian leader’s eyes and saw 3 letters…K, G, B…”

    Absolute Money, Mav !

  474. Darleen says:

    MC

    Most of Guy’s vocab is said talking around a mouth full of food so PawKEEstawn hasn’t been elicited yet.

  475. MC says:

    Mmmm… Lebanese Pizza! Sounds even better than bunnies with ketchup!

  476. Diana says:

    Don’t encourage him. Jeff said so.

  477. PC14 says:

    What’s up with that weird inflection when Baracky says Pakistan and Taliban? If you axk me, it sounds gay…or the way some Harvard fags would pronounce it.

  478. MC says:

    But I haven’t been encouraged much lately. Come on, just a little!

  479. MC says:

    I mean, really, when Jeff said that, it wasn’t like a forever edict or anything, was it?

    Besides, no one has heard of the ‘dillo for quite a while. That ‘dont’ encourage him’ thing is so 2005.

  480. MC says:

    PC14 – Darleen is right with you on that…

  481. Where’s Carin?

    she’s in Florida, I think. away from the intertubes.

  482. MC says:

    We didn’t see Carin tonight Maggs.

  483. MC says:

    Oh, snap. Thanks for the info Maggie.

  484. MC says:

    Did you know that body fat gets worse over the years? I just saw a commercial that said so.

  485. MC says:

    We’re going to get to 500 at least. Even if I have to do it myself…

  486. MC says:

    I’ve switched to UFC on Spike – it’s not like what Jeff actually knows how to do these days, but, still it’s much better than boxing…

  487. J. Peden says:

    Imo, McCain finally proved publically that it’s possible to bore holes into a vacuum. I also think this rather unexceptional, but heretofore assiduously shunned, feat, at least in regard to Human thought, might play in Peoria, especially since I know “working class”, and these people are certainly not dumb – no way, no how. Take it to the Bank. [oops]

    The only question is, how many people actually work, and how many of them vote.

    On the other hand, the “elite” Lib Media is going to ignore, for example, that tonight Obama intimated that FDR oversaw the Great Depression – again – as per Biden. Well, that’s what Faux Liberal/Progressive experience gets you. Something worse than Nothing, otherwise known as the “Great Nothing”. [Neverending Story]

  488. MC says:

    FDR extended the Great Depression… see Jonah Goldberg/Liberal Fascism…

  489. MC says:

    JP – Did you call Obama a black hole? RACIST!

  490. MC says:

    I denounce myself again…

  491. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    I’d post something but I’m watching the Ad, and besides, Carins not here to giggle at My stupid jokes….

  492. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Black hole = empty suit

  493. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Ok – one more – take the helm Capytain Darleen…..

  494. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Ok – now that wasn’t very chivalrous – Heh

  495. MC says:

    I must be denounced and discouraged endlessly for that…

  496. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    = Alright – looks like the parties over – I’m going to slam back this Bacardi;s and make like a tree and fall down.

  497. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    Obama: “John is right….what the fuck am I doing here”

    McCain: “What was the question again?”

  498. Topsecretk9 says:

    My OCD observation of the night was this bit of WTF by the One:

    MCCAIN: … I supported Nunn-Lugar back in the early 1990s when a lot of my colleagues didn’t. That was the key legislation at the time and put us on the road to eliminating this issue of nuclear waste and the nuclear fuel that has to be taken care of.

    OBAMA: I — I just have to correct the record here. I have never said that I object to nuclear waste. What I’ve said is that we have to store it safely.,/blockquote.

  499. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    Biden:”Yrh, I know….that Ad we ran is really fucked up.”

    Pa;in:”I can see WalMarts from my front porch.”

  500. MAJ (P) John says:

    “Oh. They cut away from her focus group. That must have been where the SAS breeched the wall of the studio.”

    Thanks for that, Mikey NTH – that was “choke-on-my-coffee-laughing” good.

  501. MC says:

    [Looks around…] Damn, McGehee, a fine mess we’ve made in here, eh?

  502. MC says:

    Shhh! Be vewy, vewy quiet…

  503. Rich Cox says:

    Someone quick! Make O! say Genghis…. Have we ever really seen him and Kerry together at the same time?

  504. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    OBAMA: I — I just have to correct the record here. I have never said that I object to nuclear waste.

    Yeah, I caught that one too, TSK9. Funny!

  505. thor says:

    You know who Barack Obama reminded me of while up there debating old jaw-clenched McCain?

    Ronald Reagan. Yep, tough, smart and affable, confident and likeable, and tall too. I bet Barack watched film of Reagan while preparing.

  506. Salt Lick says:

    Barry reminded me most of the cerebral, articulate Julius Nyerere (“Mwalimu” — “The Teacher”), Tanzania’s first president, who after consolidating power, expropriated white and Asian-owned property in order to institute African Socialism or “Ujamaa,” which Obama referenced when teaching his law school classes. O! needs him a little mustache.

  507. sashal says:

    Obama was the clear winner. mccain looked tired and angry. A real mistake on his part was not looking at Obama the whole debate. Besides that mccain just seemed to be mcnasty and mcsmirk. The GOP is filled with so much anger and venom and mccain I think clearly showed that tonight. The man has a chip on his shoulder a mile high. He came across annoyed at even having to attend, maybe that’s why he was trying to cancel this whole debate? He’d just like to not have to be on the same stage with a guy he doesn’t like or respect or even thinks should be allowed to fucking vote for that matter.

  508. thor says:

    Yeah, there’s been a lot of comments saying McCain looked meaner than a piss-filled rattle snake.

  509. guinsPen says:

    So sashal, how many times did Queen Victoria try to step on McCain’s lines?

  510. guinsPen says:

    A lot of comments saying Obama looked stiffer than Queen Victoria, too.

  511. sashal says:

    518.
    “How many times to step on McCain lies?”
    I did not count….

  512. guinsPen says:

    The times where HRHQV shook his head an muttered, “We are not amused, we are not amused.”

    I counted plenty.

  513. Salt Lick says:

    Victoria amusing? Dancing Queen. “I’ve got a bracelet, too!”

  514. sears poncho says:

    #

    Comment by sashal on 9/27 @ 6:55 am #

    518.
    “How many times to step on McCain lies?”
    I did not count….

    That sounds awfully bitter, Sashal. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think you were filled with anger and venom. But, hey, that’s the Republicans.

    Oh, and please site for me a time when McCain said or even intimated that Obama should not be allowed to vote. Pretty clumsy use of the race card there…………….

  515. Darleen says:

    ‘morning!

    Other fun Barry moments:

    When McCain talked about his soldier bracelet and Obama says “Me, too! and it’s …uh…uh….” and Barry has to read it to remember the name.

    guffaw

  516. PC says:

    yeah the bracelet was the best. “I have a bracelet toooooo!!!”
    lol

  517. Matt, Esq. says:

    I’m still trying to figure out why McCain couldn’t figure out a way to slip in that Franklin Rains, Obama advisor, walked from Fannie with 90 million over 6 years. Those kind of numbers resonate with the American people. And nobody but bloggers brings it up.

    Hopefully, McCain will stop playing nice with the One and will start calling out the Messiah’s deep rooted connections to the failed economy. And look who was the most frequent reciepient of WaMu money ? Its Schumer but Obama isn’t far down on the contribution list.

  518. Matt, Esq. says:

    The lunatics in the democratic party (which are most of the democratic party) are filled with so much anger and venom*

    See what I did there ? I took Sashal’s horseshit assertion and made something truthful with it.

  519. Matt, Esq. says:

    *Yep, tough, smart and affable, confident and likeable, and tall too.*

    Unlike Reagan, Obama was vapid, utterly lacking substance and mostly full of shit. So before we start comparing Obama to Reagan, lets go ahead and be honest about what and who the Messiah is.

  520. Darleen says:

    Matt

    McCain beat Barry about the shoulder on his earmarks last night..and last night wasn’t supposed to be about the economy at all. I’m hoping the Rains thing comes up in the next debate.

    All in all, it was a fairly lowkey debate. Both were pretty cautious. Barry obviously was going with the tactic that leaked earlier – trying to get McCain to respond angrily (Barry kept calling him “John” and McCain always referred to him as “Senator Obama”) but McCain kept his cool and actually laughed at some of the obvious barbs and lies. Barry looked positively peevish at times, stepping all over McCain’s talk time and trying to interrupt.

    There’s a lot of talk in the media that it was a “tie” so you know McCain did better then the media wants to admit.

  521. twolaneflash says:

    Obama has a bracelet from a woman who believes her son spent his last moments doing evil, and he lost his life for it. She probably wishes she’d had his brains sucked out while the umbilical cord was still attached. Obama’s life is shaped by bad mothering, and he still attracts it. Obama shouldn’t go around comparing mothers. His don’t look so good in the daylight.

  522. ThomasD says:

    I’d like to personally thank Sashal for bringing us the DNC talking point in their original, unedited, and totally unexpurgated form.

    Takes skill, that does.

  523. urthshu says:

    Baracky has a lot against tea drinking, is what I found out. I like tea – iced or hot, just not herbal. Maybe Whole Foods has crappy tea so maybe I should send him some black/orange pekoe.

  524. urthshu says:

    I’ll like set up a website for sending Baracky tea. VRWC Tea Party is what I should call it

  525. sashal says:

    525
    Well, unlike McCain, Obama apparently had not planned in advance on using the dead soldier as a prop in the debate.

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  527. danial dopinski says:

    [i’m not wanted here — on other sites, i’ve called the site admin a nazi — and yet I keep coming back under new names. because it is my RIGHT to invade others’ space when they don’t want me around. YOU MUST LISTEN TO ME! SILENCE IS HATE SPEECH!” ]

  528. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    “danial” is DataDave, by the way.

  529. qwfwq says:

    Dopinski, huh? Is that real, or are you just a big tease?

  530. Darleen says:

    delusional dave thinks McCain lost his temper? Um, only in the same world that Barry inhabits that says Dr. Kissinger is in favor of meeting with Ahmadawhackjob without preconditions.

  531. Darleen says:

    And it was Obama stepping all over McCain’s lines, calling him “John” and basically lying about several things.

    That thin Chicago thug skin is showing.

  532. Mark A. Flacy says:

    Well, unlike McCain, Obama apparently had not planned in advance on using the dead soldier as a prop in the debate.

    I guess you don’t realize that comment makes Senator Obama look worse than Senator McCain.

  533. Darleen says:

    so Sash, what does that say about Barry’s little “me too…uh uh uh” moment? Who is REALLY the one using the bracelet as a prop rather than a memorial?

    meshugga

  534. McGehee says:

    From what I’ve read, the only people saying Obama won, are those who would still be saying he won even if he had to be carried off the stage in a bucket.

  535. RTO Trainer says:

    The “tie” business was wholly predicatble before teh deabte even happened. All the talk about “A tie would be a win for Obama” beforehand, so that everyone would understand the “code.”

  536. sashal says:

    Of course McCain is meshugganer , Darleen, and belligerent on top of it

  537. happyfeet says:

    I liked McCain last night. He has more passion and much less cynicism than I would have ever expected a year ago. Baracky was same old Baracky. Very student council presidentish and defensive. He’s just not ready, but he would have made a dandy vice presidential candidate I think.

  538. geoffb (JARAIP) says:

    Everything will be basically a “tie” until election day. That will hold unless Obama gains an actual (outside the margin of error) lead or McCain gains a (so huge it is undeniable) lead.

    The News business demands a close horse race to keep ratings up. They will maintain that “tie” as long as possible. The polls released are only there to maintain that illusion.

  539. happyfeet says:

    Well also geoffb I think the tenor of last night’s debate means expectations of these debates being game-changey are diminished. The polling at this stage of the race suggests that this is a very good thing for Senator McCain. Baracky peaked too soon. Debates is just accretive overexposure now.

  540. happyfeet says:

    I rather like that comment. I will go post that on the other thread what is more fresher.

  541. geoffb (JARAIP) says:

    I like your comment too. It confused me on the other thread as it came just before I wrote over there.

    Thought for a second you had channeled “Medium”. :-)

  542. Darleen says:

    sashel

    Where was McCain “belligerent”? Where did McCain interrupt and lie? Are you living in Bidens alternate universe? The one where FDR is a 1929 television star?

  543. MC says:

    Good job little thread!

  544. Little Thread says:

    I knew I could, I knew I could…

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