That is, if you can believe such contrived, loaded polling.
Alternate explanation? Older whites, rather than being “racist,” aren’t particularly taken in by a guy who promises everything and says nothing. Too, they’re old enough to remember the Weathermen, Alinsky, Community Organizing, BLT, etc. — and they, being the bourgeois Democrats of the sixties and seventies, aren’t particularly drawn to the “new leftists” who have since taken over the Democratic party.
In short, they are more tied to their Democratic identity label than they are to the representatives the current incarnation of the party is putting forward.
And let’s face it: it begs the question to say that the political climate is primed for a Democrat takeover because of Bush’s low popularity rating and people’s dissatisfaction with Iraq — particularly when one considers that Congressional ratings are far lower than Bush’s, and that the latest Dem “leadership” move was to run from a financial crisis.
Obama represents that party. Perhaps not every white feels it is his or her duty as a guilty descendant of some racial oppressor to vote for a Black man just because the political establishment thinks now is the time, and He is the One.
Of course, I’m just spitballin’ here. And you’ll note that the survey doesn’t ask the obvious question: could it be that Barack Obama just ain’t black enough?
Dolemite/Palin 2012: Once you go black, you never go Barack.
(h/t Terry H)
“Have any of you noticed that Barack Obama is part African-American?â€Â
To be precise, Guv, Barack is part African…pappy wasn’t in any way American.
He’s just a guy. A regular guy. I think the fact that he’s not God is distressing to some people, and that there are those who really don’t believe in the God-ness of him really frustrates them.
Baracky is plenty black I think, and the angry is just a bonus. But the whole ooh look at me I’m black no really check me out I’m like totally a metaphor for hope and change thing has gotten really stale. It’s like that’s very one-hit wonder. Everybody bought the single but nobody wants the whole cd I don’t think.
was that rant yesterday, including the f-word for real? finish it with a “ready to lead?” and its a perfect mccain commercial
what are you talking about?
I don’t get what he’s on about.
Search me, man, I’m still like “wha-? black?”
If this is the Left’s idea of reaching out to the PUMAs, I’m not sure the hair grabbing is going to work all that well.
OK, but srsly, if in 2040 or something the Dems were to front a candidate who was sponsored by PETA, ALF/ELF, Earth First! or dKOS, would anybody look at the guy/gal more than a half-minute, voting-wise? Prob’ly you’d just collect Youtubes of the stoopidity to LOL @
But still that’s a more substantive premise I think urthshu than hey my blackness is totally like the chocolate to the peanut butter of the presidency for real we is talking yummilicious y’all. Baracky has wasted so much of my time I’m just never gonna get back.
found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks  many calling them “lazy,†“violent†or responsible for their own troubles.
Perhaps they did find this. However, it doesn’t account for the “but I don’t mean so-and-so (my neighbor, the folks at my church, etc.)” phenomenon. To a great extent, when people make generalizations (which is what these surveys ask them to do) they lean toward what they consider a prototypical example (e.g., partying undergrads, busybody old ladies, etc.). They do not tend to consider those folks who do not fit the stereotype so easily. So it is perfectly congruent for someone to say on a survey that they think blacks are lazy (or whatever) but still vote whole-heartedly for Obama b/c “I didn’t mean blacks like him. They’re just race-baiters. And this from the candidate who is going to ease racial tensions.
Thanks hf! Now I have to go to the store and buy chocolate. Enabler!!
…could it be that Barack Obama just ain’t black enough?
Well, a couple of friends who are government workers are hoping he is; they say if he’s assassinated at least they’ll get another federal holiday.
I denounced them, of course.
many calling them “lazy,†“violent†or responsible for their own troubles.
Uh…hello? “Lazy” “violent” are definitely negative views of a whole GROUP
but did the word “responsible” become a negative?
(btw, this kind of IRRESPONSIBLE grouping is a well-honed, dishonest tactic. Barry used it recently when when decrying so-called negative attacks on him … “And that’s what the Republicans, when they say, ‘This isn’t about issues, it’s about personalities,’ what they’re really saying is, ‘We’re going to try to scare people about Barack. So we’re going to say that you know, maybe he’s got Muslim connections or we’re going to say that, you know, he hangs out with radicals or he’s not patriotic.’” Note that “hangs out with radicals” is actually true.)
To anyone who says my vote should be affected by DNA: Get Stuffed.
JeffG
Media INVENTS White Racist
from JawaReport
I dunno, #15, I’m still voting Human this Nov. 4, though it’s likely a jackass will be inaugurated no matter what I do.
Darleen,
“Responsible for their own troubles” started becoming negative at exactly the same time there became a surge in practicing (as opposed to research) psychologists. Alcoholism, ADHD, bipolar disorder, poor, minority, on and on. No one can be faulted for their troubles because everyone has an excuse, er reason. I don’t deny that each of these can be devastating to deal with. But why is it that some folks (myself included) can grow up in these conditions and come out okay but others can’t? Might it have something to do with the person themselves. Nah, that’s crazy talk.
Brokeback Obama
18 –
That stuff is kinda perfect storm-y. The psychs really do have good intentions, but they use a medical model, so everything gets described as a disease entity when it isn’t necessarily so. And they also want to lessen the stigma of having MI in general, which is eh good.
But its surprising that folks accept the disease entity label b/c of not wanting the responsibility over their own choices/actions. I mean if folks valued their damned civil rights you’d think they wouldn’t line up to be diagnosed as legally weird, but there it is.
I agree completely urthshu (#20). But it takes a little more brainpower to get the civil rights argument than it does to see that diagnosis = benefits for me (Rx drugs, special work accommodations, sympathy from family members, extensions for exam deadlines, etc.) It’s amazing how many folks (not all, by any means) get diagnoses just to show how unique they are. “You don’t understand. I’m not like other people. The reason I don’t do well on exams is because I have (fill in the blank).” They don’t seem to realize that the whole line of students behind them is saying the exact same thing. It’ll be interesting when the pendulum swings back and people want to be “normal” again to prove their uniqueness.
What the poll doesn’t measure is just how yummy it makes clingy white people in Pennsylvania and Ohio to be told to vote for Barack, or else.
Also, I think a lot of the resistence to Barack in the Democratic party is from working people and rank-and-file Labor, who aren’t keen, as a cultural matter, for a fellow who hasn’t “paid his dues” (Labor is where we get this saying) and who always seems to saunter right into the best opportunities and offices without much preparation, experience, or work. I know these Labor types – I grew up with them, and I still drink with them – you start as an apprentice, keep your mouth shut, learn the trade, and defer to the hierarchy. I have visions of little emo Barack campaign workers with the Olberman glasses going in to the Local 401 to enlist the Ironworkers and coordinate the campaign, and the absolute failure of communication that is inevitable.
Hence, I predict 6-8 phantom points in Pennsylvania in November.
Reading the article is eh fascinating to me.
I’m old enough to remember a time in my very racially divided and divisive city [Rochester NY – where Alinsky got his groove on during the 66 riots] when the black part of town was fairly-so middle class, with quaint bakeries and restaurants, theaters and jazz clubs. I was a kid, but my mom could walk us through kids in tow and shop, whatever. The old heads would watch out for the neighborhood and kids didn’t act the fool b/c their parents would find out and they’d catch it hard.
Now though? Poor and criminal mostly.
ah, to my 23 –
Its just funny-hmm that people never saw that time and place, that they think this whole race has always been this or that way. It isn’t so.
It also occurs to me that Obama doesn’t typify that old, solid black tradition – but I can’t really say why exactly. He just doesn’t, despite having the family in one piece, the house and success, etc.
“It also occurs to me that Obama doesn’t typify that old, solid black tradition – but I can’t really say why exactly. He just doesn’t, despite having the family in one piece, the house and success, etc.”
The spice that is missing is “hard work.”
Baracky is different cause he thinks normal black people aren’t good enough, mostly cause they are unorganized and not down with the cause enough. If only they would listen more better. I think he resents what he has to work with a lot. It’s not fair.
No, that isn’t it.
Can’t quite put my finger on it, though. You’d need an older black man to voice it, I think maybe.
Not hard work, exactly. Maybe a willingness to call out stupidity, a kind of missing wisdom thing. Dunno right now.
Remember tho – this angry ’cause and struggle’ stuff is sort of new-ish in the larger scheme of things in the black culture. Foisted on them by a white guy taking advantage of real grievances too.
Not alot know the shit what was going on here. The police chief was a dick to everyone, not just blacks, but the blacks were really fkn steamed, beating folks down with 2x4s and whites were riding around with shotguns. Alinsky came in and organised them, by God and they got nothing much except more and worse ghettoes.
You’d need an older black man to voice it, I think maybe.
Indeed.
I loves Baracky. God knows I do. But I kill him dead ‘fore I let him beat me.
Dosen’t everyone know what a MINORITY is? Blacks are a minority. Asians and Hispanics are minorities but they will side with the Whites in this election. There are not a lot of Whites that will vote for a Black Man unless he is conservative in his thinking (Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, or even Bill Cosby). Most Asian, Hispanic and White people don’t really trust Black people unless they spend time with them and find that they are normal people too. As long as ONE minority tries to put themselves above all other people they will continue to NOT recieve the RESPECT and TRUST that WE ALL WANT.
Spies, if that link was supposed to go to a particular page at that site, all I got was the front page.
Weird. They may have disabled direct linking.
Here’s a link to the HTML page that has the audio file.
Huh? Come November there will be plenteous whites voting for Baracky. It will be historic and meaningful, if open to interpretation. It’ll sure not be nothing, least of all some kind of racial rejection, and that’s a whole separate conversation from whether America is ripe for socialisms. Baracky could have won, but he wasn’t ready yet. Nobody’s fault he jumped the gun but his.
And, ya know, a lotta those whites (er, “Whites”) won’t vote for a “White Man” unless he’s conservative in his thinking. It’s almost as if the determinant factor is something other than race…
Thanks, Spies.
Paul T., I’m hesitant to reply to your comment until I see more of what underlies your thinking — but my first impression is that of outdated language and assumptions.
Whites will vote Obama and it was whites that helped him get to where he is. And also hispanics and asians. Just like how McCain got the nod from all kinds, including blacks. Surprise the world is bigger and more complex than color this or ethnic that.
Here’s another fellow with a testament to the past, SBP.
The Cosby speech I remembered. Good, too.
Did you read the latest Whittle peice? He was saying about how societies struggle to rise from ignorance all the time, then fall into short, brutish, nasty ignorance again, and he says sometimes thats b/c people just give up.
I think maybe thats what Alinsky taught here. He taught them to hate the system so much that they gave up struggling to get away from ignorance, since the alternative to ignorance was embodied by the society he taught them to hate, you know….
the single
Speaking of which, can anyone spare a few? I was planning to vote O!, but he doesn’t look like anyone on any of my dollar bills.
Maybe he’s on some of yours.
I just want to make an aside, that I’m literally crying at how… satisfying (for lack of a better word) it was to read this thread without interruptions from trolls.
Of course, I just got done watching a sappy chick flick w/ my wife, and we’re going to watch another one shortly, so my emotional balance is kind of off. Still, though, I’m ecstatic.
So, what’s this about Obama being black? I mean, he’s got some dark skin, but are they really trying to smear him by claiming he’s African-American? Like that’s some sort of “smear” anyway.
RACISTS!
[…] OBVIOUSLY RACIST Blacks Against Obama Interrupt Rally. If Obama loses, Democratic “racism†to blame …. […]
I think what galls me the most is that Obama — an unaccomplished, undistinguished, self-aggrandizing, thin-skinned, useless bloviator and con artist — has the arrogance to think that I won’t vote for him because he is black.
How can a Democrat be racist? I was under the impression that just by voting a straight Dem ticket every 4 years I was absolved of my racism.
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Comment by E. Nough on 9/21 @ 4:44 pm #
I think what galls me the most is that Obama  an unaccomplished, undistinguished, self-aggrandizing, thin-skinned, useless bloviator and con artist  has the arrogance to think that I won’t vote for him because he is black.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding
We have a winner, collect your kewpie doll at the front gate :)
E. Nough I think what galls me the most is that Obama  an unaccomplished, undistinguished, self-aggrandizing, thin-skinned, useless bloviator and con artist  has the arrogance to think that I won’t vote for him because he is black.
Than you could not vote for him because he is white too… just as much that as the other. That is what has always been stuck in my crawl….
I know it’s been said elsewhere, but I want someone to give me a believable scenario where a white person with Obama’s resume even gets the nomination.
Racists!
I just want to make an aside, that I’m literally crying at how… satisfying (for lack of a better word) it was to read this thread without interruptions from trolls.
It’s not that we don’t care…honestly. As it turned out, many of us were summoned to George Soros’ “secret island lair” this weekend for last minute instructions on how to exploit racial divides for political gain.
A bit tiresome really.
But there was cake.
I was told there would be cake
thing is, this past week has been all-racism all the time ‘damn you conservative/repub rejects’ and we’re like what 50 days away? Obama doesn’t fear any backlash from this stuff?
I thought PIE was the normal fare on this blog
guacamole and pie, greasey union workers on the side
“useless bloviator and con artist”
Ah, doesn’t BLT stand for “Bloviate, Lie, Tax”?
Is there a guacamole pie? Two birds one stone.
Red velvet is the new pie.
Boiled down to a point…You are a bigot if you don’t vote for “O”. Sounds to me like the Dems are setting the ground for an “O” loss. Or at the very least they are desperate and know, but won’t acknoledge, just how close this thing realy is. Inspite of having the MSM in the tank.
Do you think it will make anyone feel better if I got a bumper sticker that read: I wouldn’t vote for Obama even if he was white?
I’m all about clearing up any misunderstandings about this.
“I wouldn’t vote for Obama even if he was white?”
How about, “Not because he’s black, but because he’s RED.”
Still thinking:
It’s not a black thing.
Obambi: Too Red and Too Wright
Obambi: Ayers on the side of Red
You people are really racist.
You ate the cake?
You were invited to an evil mastermind’s lair, he offered you cake, and you ate the cake!?
Dang fool.
[…]
And STOP LOOKING AT ME!!!
I laughed. I really did.
“You people are really racist.”
Human RACIST.
jefferson-
I dunno, #15, I’m still voting Human this Nov. 4, though it’s likely a jackass will be inaugurated no matter what I do.
I, for one, will welcome our alien overlords.
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky animals and you know it.”– K
Obambi: Ayers on the side of Red
A Pinker Shade of Red.
I happened to catch the last minute of Brian Lamb interviewing some guy named Lionel, that’s all, Lionel who evidently works as a radio jock for AirAmerica. Brian’s last question was “Who do you think will win the election in Nov?” and Lionel’s answer (paraprasing) “I want Obama to win but I’m very nervous that he can’t because there is a large component of the voting public that is simply racist. If Obama doesn’t win” he says “that is no reflection on Obama, but is all about the racism of the USA.”
Seems to be the word of the day.
Flaming Skull alert. Or see Jawa. Maybe something like that [the referenced post] could cause Obama to lose too. Axelrod has always struck me as some serious sleaze.
Sdferr
I have the links here
si se puede
Black and white and Red all over?
I denounce myself.
And then there are lots who will, and they wouldn’t vote for a white man who is conservative in his thinking. See how this works?
I’m really tired of hearing the “racist” meme being used because the person has no other defense. Rather than deal with the issue and refute the charges, they cry “racist.”
I have NO choice but to believe that they are guilty.
I have pretty much given up on this ridiculous website, but I was curious to see what your thoughts were on the direction of this country as we completely restructure our financial institutions. Alas, nothing.
When are you going to talk about what is really going on in this country? Is it that you haven’t yet found a way to blame liberals for the looming financial collapse? Or are you just so locked into your race-baiting routine that you can’t seem to stop?
Shorter Lisa: “DANCE, MONKEY!”
Lisa,
Who advanced the idea that income verification is akin to racial profiling? When did that happen? What are the unintended consequences? Are the basic fundamentals of lending strong? What happens when you eschew the fundamentals for the sake of expanding the “right to home ownership”? What are you wearing?
Well there is this which nishi tried to hijack.
And this.
“Is it that you haven’t yet found a way to blame liberals for the looming financial collapse?”
Fannie Mae-Roosevelt, CRA-Carter, Expanded CRA- Clinton
amen, Lisa.
Lisa: Is it that you haven’t yet found a way to blame liberals for the looming financial collapse?
Well, there’s this, and this, and this.
Good reading all.
However, I’m sure that you’ll ignore all that in lieu of pretending that I called you a stupid n____r or something of the sort.
Lisa, I’m willing to leave Bush and his 2003 proposals out of my comments since you suffer from BDS.
However, why don’t you check on McCain’s position on the FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005? And check out who was against it.
I tried to do some race-baiting this weekend, but couldn’t figure out how to get the damned things on the hooks.
Seriously, if you want to talk about a specific topic, start your own blog. I hear they’re cheap.
Bulls*t, Lisa (and cynn).
This is and was a bipartisan f*up. If you can’t accept that — if you have to assume that all Democrats/liberals are pure, and Republicans/conservatives carry all the blame — then whatever decisions you make will be wrong, and the “solutions” you come up with will make things worse, because you’re working from partial data.
There aren’t many people commenting here who aren’t prepared to accept that conservatives, at least nominal conservatives, have contributed to the problem. But if, as Instapundit notes this morning, we can have an extended interview with Sen. Dodd without a single mention of Countrywide Financial, you aren’t getting all the data. It may please you that the folks with cards up their sleeves are on “your side”, but it means that you don’t want to solve the problem and are thereby likely to make it worse.
Regards,
Ric
Clearly, the only way to fix the financial crises is to raise the Capital Gains tax, remove the payroll tax cap, and raise the top marginal rates. That should end all of those shennanigans.
On the other hand, the more you pound your racial and DemBlame nails, the more irrelevant they become. So have at it.
On the other hand, the more you pound your racial and DemBlame
cynn: did you read the links I posted?
Hint: those aren’t black people, nor are they Republicans.
Look, Spies, I’m tired of the blame and finger pointing. It’s fruitless, and it deflects my attention from the fact that we are now a nation of sin-eaters, courtesy of Comrades Paulson, Bernanke and Bush. I sure as hell hope the Dems have at least enough courage to demand more accountability across the board, but I’m not betting on it.
Look, Spies, I’m tired of the blame and finger pointing.
Did you read those links, cynn?
If so, are you going to address them?
What did Bush do?
And do you have any blame to spare for Dodd, Frank, and Obama?
What did Bush do?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080919-15.html
I sure as hell hope the Dems have at least enough courage to demand more accountability across the board, but I’m not betting on it.
Did you just say that now? At the end of the Obama 08 campaign? Just you just really say that out fucking loud right now?
Ah, thanks cynn. I mean it. I needed some humor this afternoon. I got it. Thank you.
Gee… Reading Cynn and Lisa makes me think there really is nothing to lberalism except “Blame Bush”. I guess I would take these people more seriously if they would just come out and say, “I am not interested in how it happened, I just want to hang it on Bush and then bitch about the situation we are in.”
Oh yeah, “and we need more regulation and taxes, too!”
What a surprise. Yawn.
RACISTS
#86
Or we could cap govmt. spendeing at current levels,and institute a flat tax on income. Reduce the capital gains tax to 7% and watch big money run around the market like a greyhound on meth. Taxing people that are broke is a bad idea.
#22
I am a retired ironworker, one of those “greasy union workers”, who is a registered independent and votes conservative. Most of my brothers in the building trades are pretty much pro gun, anti abortion, and resent the bite taken out of their check by “Uncle Sugar”. However, they are encouraged by union leadership (AFL-CIO) to vote a straight Democratic ticket. They’re constantly told that voting republican is guaranteed to lose them work. This is because most of the “pork” that comes out of Washington, DC requires prevailing wage. The fact that the AFL-CIO would endorse Charles Manson if he ran as a Democrat doesn’t matter. I think that the defeat of Gore and Kerry might be and indication that a lot of union workers in the building trades are not listening to their leaders and are voting their conscience.
[…] the villains here, we’re to understand (as are they, hopefully to the point where their guilt and their sense of wanting to stay in the good graces of […]
THE RACISM RED HERRING …
If Obama can get Americans to base the election on racism,
then it will take their attention off the fact that he has no experience,
no credentials, and no issues.
Howard, “no experience, no credentials, and no issues” sounds very racist to me….
Kind of like the dems saying that complaints against the McCain campaign for criticizing Raines, former (FIRED) CEO of Freddie Mac, who is aiding the Obama campaign.. Since Raines is black, the charges are “racist.”
Idiots leveling idiotic charges. The word “racist” should be banned from the campaign.
P.S. Howard, ;-D