Richard Miniter, “What if Obama loses?”
[To the Dem base] Obama is much more than Kerry could ever be. Obama’s biography is straight out of a Democratic dream factory; his being touches and excites every element of the vast and varied Democratic party coalition. He and his wife are activist lawyers; he is connected to both the 1960s radicals (Ayers et al) and the Daley Democrats who beat them up in 1968 (Michelle’s father was a Daley ward heeler). Obama is not only an environmentalist-surfer from Hawaii, but he is a better public speaker than Keanau Reeves. He is an author-intellectual yet he can emote. He is telegenic and fit, yet has one perfect flaw: he is struggling in his fight against cigarettes. He has no problem with his wife earning more than he does while he decries the fact that, on average, women earn less than men in the some positions. He is Christian, but not born-again. And so on. He is an absolutely perfect incarnation of the liberal dream.
If Obama is rejected by voters, liberal activists will face a difficult moment. Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, sure. There was something wrong with them. A failure to connect. A remoteness. A coldness felt in some feathers of the left wing. Bill Clinton was an electoral success, but something about him didn’t sit right. The drama. The southerness. The welfare reform. The zaftig valley girl. Activists can understand why voters might have punished Hillary for the sins of Bill.
But Obama? He is perfect.
A rejection of Obama can only mean one of two things: a rejection of the 1960s formulation of liberalism (the current formulation, alas) or that America is deeply racist. Too many of them will go for the second hypotheses.
Too many think that elections turn on identities, not ideas.
If Obama loses–and it is still a big ‘if’–too many liberals will fail to heed the message that voters have been sending them since 1981. Seventy percent of the country is tired of 1960s liberalism. Indeed many find the hippie vision frightening: A country too ashamed of itself to fight its enemies, too unsure of itself to praise its own history,govern its children or corral its criminals,and too resentful of the rich to allow the economy to make more of them.
And I predict that, if Obama loses, liberals won’t ask the key question: If, instead, we had tried 1990s Clinton-DLC liberalism, would it have worked?
Indeed, as with Professor Kennedy’s preemptive accusation of massive institutionalized racism having derailed the Obama campaign, if in fact the campaign is derailed — sniff your fetid guilt, Whitey! — the move toward preemptive public “concern” about racism being the cause for Barack Obama’s failure to reach his predestined coronation stage unmolested is beginning to take shape. Here, for instance, is Jack Cafferty, asking the loaded question, “will Barack Obama’s race cost him the election?”
Notes Allah:
Could it be that McCain is a strong candidate and The One simply hasn’t run a very good general election campaign, as many Dems admit? Nah. The flaw in that theory is that it would legitimize a McCain victory, and we simply can’t have that: It’s an article of leftist faith that not only has no Republican been legitimately elected since Bush I in 1988, no Republican could possibly be legitimately elected after eight years of Bush II. If Maverick pulls it out, there’ll simply have to be an alternative, discrediting explanation. And so here it is, preemptively, just in case there are no Diebold snafus on Election Day to demagogue. Expect much more next month, needless to say, as well as the odd veiled threat or two if McCain holds tight in the polls and the Democrats start to panic.
One of the elephants in the room is the vague undercurrent, noticeable to all whose political sensitivity exceeds that of your average Lindsay Lohan-bloc voter, that an Obama loss could lead to some sort of civic unrest — not necessarily even in the black community. More likely, we’d be treated to the sight of DKos and Huffpo readers burning bras and breaking windows, rising up as one in protest to the idiocy of the democratic process, which, frankly, never seems to produce the “correct” results, even with the media as an ally.
Evan Thompson (in)famously noted that media support is worth about 15% to a favored candidate (he later walked that back, claiming the advantage is worth but 5% points). In the case of Obama, this number may be even higher, given that Obama is openly revered by many in the media, while John Kerry just happened to be representing the political interests of the overwhelming majority of reporters in the mainstream press.
But what I’m wondering now is, how many points is the veiled threat of some sort of reprisal by disaffected progressives and leftists likely worth, in electoral calculus, in addition to the percentage already produced by carefully crafted media coverage?
McCain needs independents and centrist Democrat women, if he’s going to win: are these voter groups one expects will resist the pressure of such threats? Or are they more likely, even if it’s only a small percentage of such voters, to take the position that it is far better to go along than it is to cause another 4-years of poison politics.
— And more, how much is the Obama campaign counting on such a peel-off of potential McCain voters to perhaps make the difference in a tight election that they once thought could not possibly be this tight, given that their candidate has been perfectly constructed and carefully managed, even to the point where the press has given him a pass on everything from his Rezco ties to his Ayers ties to his past association with communist groups to his “pragmatism” born out of Chicago ward politics, Acorn, and “community activism”?
After all, Jesus was a community organizer, we’re told — just like Obama!
Which, for those who routinely sneer at religion, seems rather an ironic bit of worship…
Haven’t you heard? Opposition to crypto-communism is racist. From Charlie Rangel to Maxine Waters, this claim has been made for years now.
And opposition to thinly disguised communism from Messiah figures? That’s just beyond excommunicable!
No chance.
Since back in the day when they started the KKK, the Democrats’ watchword has been “Let’s you [darkies] and him [white people who aren’t us] fight.”
And it works. Because of the Marx!
In the case of Obama, this number may be even higher, given that Obama is openly revered by many in the media
This is assuming that people adopt the same reverence as their betters in the media; some undoubtedly will. But the MSM is so obvious in its hero-worship that many folks will see it as pathetic and laughable and even downright unfair.
The favoritism only works when it’s subtle: if people suspect that they’re being manipulated, they’ll rebel.
The pre-mortems are alreaady coming out.
Now, some of it may be to guilt undecideds into voting for Sen. Obama to avoid the charge of racism. However, those who would vote for him for that reason are, I think, already gathered – at least by this date. There is also a danger to floating such an idea at his date, that undecideds who are tuning in and are leaning Obama may be turned off by the call to vote for him or else you are a racist. Insulting the customer, or at least being perceived as insulting the customer, isn’t the usual way to victory.
The other thing may be, that certain people in the Democratic party and the various campaigns are seeing the race as over already, and are trying to warn the party and its activists – warn them away from one explanation and on to another one. I think that if the election does go bad for Sen. Obama and the explanation that is shoutesd out to the world that all those who voted for Sen. McCain are rascists, the Democrats are going to lose a lot of support. No one likes to be insulted, and no one likes having the greatest social crime in this country imputed to them. That, I think, would be a disaster, and may be what some are trying to prevent, (by talking about the reasons for a potential defeat and bring up racism, as opposed to Kennedy’d article which discussed racism as the reason for a potential defeat).
Interesting times, to be sure.
I wonder if the patient was anaesthetized before the pre-mortem started?
One might hope that threatening to throw a tantrum would be counterproductive, but one might be wrong.
I think you underestimate the need, among the rank and file, to appear authentic. They want the sixties, but with a different sound track.
Wind ’em up and let ’em go.
In the days before “emoting” became therapeutic, sure.
Now? Spoiled brats support the feelings of other spoiled brats. And our schools seem to be churning these types out.
I would actually theorize that the overt support of the media will be worth LESS than the normal stealth support of the media in terms of votes. There’s a goodly number of centerists who aren’t at all political, but get tired of hagiography.
“No chance.
Since back in the day when they started the KKK, the Democrats’ watchword has been “Let’s you [darkies] and him [white people who aren’t us] fight.â€Â
And it works. Because of the Marx!”
There is historical precedent for this among the Commiecrats. Back in the day, before he put on a shirt and tie and weaseled his way into the California State Assembly, Tom Hayden used to meet with the Black Panthers in the hope of using them to pull off some violent action “uprising”. As I recall, the Panthers turned him down flat, with the curt reply: “That’s just like you, Tom. Get a nigger to pull the trigger…”
“Zaftig.”
Always loved that word.
Anyhoo, per Jeff, I tried out the “I’d vote for Obama, but he’s simply not black enough” line on one of my liberal acquaintences this week. Her reaction was priceless. Think of a mime trying to act out WTF? and you’d be very close.
I don’t believe the whole “riots after ‘Bama gets ripped” scenario. Sorry, just a tad outre’…
But note that I have weapons, I know how to use them and I have no problem popping any leftie twit stupid enough to try and get physical.
So burn you bra quietly, Markos, and stay the fuck away from my house.
Would this be a good time to have that National Conversation on Race?
It is an interesting comparison. After the 2006 elections, the Republicans asked “where did we go wrong? How did we lose our way?”
The default assumption of the Democrats when faced with a loss is instead “they cheated” or “RACIST!!!!!” or that old chestnut, “Diebold!”
Hi, Jeff (says TLD in monotone),
I think that this “violence” meme is probably worth negatve numbers to the proggs. I think it will piss off more people than it will intimidate. I know it certainly pisses me off, and many of my Dem friends are also offended by this veiled threat. It blows me away that my BDS friends are also afraid of an Obama presidency.
The saviours of our media (“I am a journalist because I want to change the world!”) have already set this violence up, so no one should be surprised when it happens. The media have no scruples, and as far as I can see, are setting up minorities, especially blacks, to destroy their own communities again in protest of the wraith of racism. How noble, eh?
I’m not sure where the poll #’s are coming from, but I know hardly anyone, left, right, or in between, that isn’t scared to death of Obama. And I live in a lopsided area of over the top liberals.
The only people who are for Obama seem to be the perpetual partiers, and the “I’m socially cooler than thou” morons. I just don’t get it. If the people I know around here are any indication, Obama is going to have his ass served to him on a platter in the election. It appears to me to be McGovern II. And, as I said, this area is a progg stronghold.
Back to the point.
I think that this idiotic “there will be physical consequences” crap that the media is implying, is more likely to drive up gun sales than it is to increase Obama’s vote numbers.
“The default assumption of the Democrats when faced with a loss is instead “they cheated†or “RACIST!!!!!†or that old chestnut, “Diebold!—
Coming from a Party that routinely gets illegal aliens and dead people to vote at that. But hey, Stalin said “Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.”
We really did defeat the Communists abroad, only to have a 5th column of Demunist Commiecrats take over one major political party, and much of academia, the bureaucracy and the media at home.
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I believe that the threat, implied or spoken, of either branding folks as RAAAAAACIST for not supporting Obama, or of near certain, violent, social upheaval should he lose, will ultimately backfire on the proggs and their MSM sycophants; just like the inital smearing of Palin did.
Although O! is back on top of the polls today, it is within the margin of error. And given the nature of polling as well as the “Bradley effect”, I’m sure that O!s campaign is stocking up on the Maalox…
Muad’Dib was a community organizer too.
RACISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Consider yourselves denounced.
I read in a book called Learned Optimism that the candidate with the most positive/optimistic campaign message always wins the election. They went back to the campaign speeches of the past and evaluated the optimism/pessimism quotient of each and tried to “predict” the outcome of past elections using that criterion only.
There was a 100% correlation.
So Obama’s “America sux and you better elect me to fix it” is a sure-fire way to lose the election, even counting the “Yes, we can!” and hopey changey things. Those are slogans. His actual speeches are pessimistic.
So, there’s that.
The Silver Tongued Devil and I
Great song, and not nearly as well known as the bigger Kristopherson hits.
ACORN will be involved in this election in a big way, and the media will continue to turn a blind eye.
JD, I refuse to be fully denounced. Half denounced is all I will allow, pal.
Whether you think the implied violence complete bluster or not, I think that I’m going to have to schedule a couple of sick days for the day or two after the election. Riding Transit in Chicago will not be fun, if O! loses, I suspect.
The left tried this kind of intimidation crap when Rudy Giuliani ran against David Dinkins for mayor of NYC. Even President Bubba said that if Dinkins lost racism could be the only explanation. We’ve all seen how that worked out. Of course now the left hates Giuliani for changing the city from a murderous, crime-infested hellhole to a place they think has been “ruined” by being Disneyfied. You’d almost think they miss when all those poor minorities were being murdered and Times Square was full of hookers and con men instead of Chuck E Cheese and Planet Hollywood. Its always something with these creeps becaause they are just miserable people.
“Too many think that elections turn on identities, not ideas.”
One more demonstration of Jonah Goldberg’s belief that the reactionary left is reactionary because they reduce people to tribes.
Riding Transit in Chicago will not be fun, if O! loses, I suspect.
Yes, well, it’s Chicago. I’d guess the other major cities’ reaction – LA, NY, Detroit, Philly, etc. — will depend on how much Obama, his handlers and the media choose to abandon the thin pretense to patriotism.
They actually are correct that if Obama loses it will be because he is black, just not the way they are thinking. If Obama weren’t black, Hillary or John Edwards would be running for President and he wouldn’t even be in the picture.
“the move toward preemptive public “concern†about racism being the cause for Barack Obama’s failure to reach his predestined coronation stage unmolested ”
Will Rev Pfliegler do a parody of BO being “entitled”, now that he is in trouble? Or is it only funny one way?
If Obama loses and there is retaliation then I assume it will come from the left wing media. However they are playing on some truths that can be used to manipulate black people. The truth is there has never been a black nominee or president in this country. At this point Obama is still looking decent in the polls. According to all the networks, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, Fox, it seems to be a dead heat more or less. If he is beaten handily and more surprising than the polls show, then the press is going to say even those people who say they were going to vote for Obama did not vote for him. Then comes the framing effects of national racism. The problem with this whole scenario is even if this whole claim is untrue we as Americans have nothing to base our dispute on, or a control group for the experiment so to speak. It would be different if we already had a black president in our past, where the claim can be substantiated that America can’t be racist because we have already had a black leader. Since that is not the case, framing effects from the media will be effective. Then the question boils down to did people really not like him for legitimate reasons or were those reasons a bunch of bull just because you did not vote for a black guy or relate to a black buy.
I remember talking to self-admitted conservative who said to me voting for a black guy from Hawaii with a Muslim name was not his cup of tea. I really did not know how to process a line like that. Secondly do other people feel that way but unlike him just not have the courage to admit that. I actually respect racists that somewhat make their feelings public. At least you know where you stand with them and can factor that into the equation as opposed to someone who says you are great but thinks something totally opposite. So then the left wing media will say that all these people who were claiming they were for Obama were not and that America is just as racist today as ever. To play on that fact with a race of people who don’t really know or truthfully will never really know how whites and other races really feel about this candidate. As I said earlier how do they know that a voters legitimate check list of why not vote for Obama stems from legitimate reasons or just crap to rationalize the fact that you would never like him regardless of any reson. Truthfully only the white voter and God would know the answer to that question. The media knowing that only God and you know your own heart, will portray that your heart is a racist heart that talks a good game. They also know that people will not be able to tell if you truly dislike Obama for legitimate reasons or for race reasons and a person just saying” that is ridiculous” really has no way of proving that it is not ridiculous.
There is no historic precedence where facts could be shown to prove otherwise, like a previous black president or vice-president so the whole territory is new and unchartered which is why the press will have an advantage. Secondly if there are riots, which I doubt, the greater harm will come from blacks destroying their own neighborhoods anyway. This has been show by blacks since the early riots of the seventies, the Rodney King riots and so forth. It has always been destruction in our own community. So to me it’s a no win situation because blacks will be disappointed because of his loss and our own community will be destroyed in the process. Pointless. So I actually hope the media does not mislead people and even if it is true that racism or prejudice did play some part I don’t want that highlighted because at the end of the day rioting solves nothing only real race dialogue will. Tell that to the press though. That is the reality of the situation. I will not say because you did not vote for Obama that you are a racist but at the same time I really don’t know voters: their heart, personality or anything of the sort so I can’t say simultaneously that you are not racist or prejudice either. For the record, from my own experience I don’t see America as mostly racist but I do see it as prejudice, there is a difference. I have even experienced it first hand, which is why I know prejudice exists. So if a person does not know if you are not racist or racist it’s not that hard to have framing effects to believe the latter. Secondly the person that is screaming that they are not racist or prejudice has to have some thing substantial to back up that claim other than just their words saying that they are not racist and anyone thinking that they are racist is ridiculous.
That’s the dilemma and the media knows this. I know it as well. I don’t know that any poster here that beats up on him is legitimate or not. Just because you say your not racist or prejudice does not prove or mean a thing in the grand scheme, even if you are totally sincere, the problem is if I don’t know you, how do I know you are sincere just by your words and vice versa for me as well. That is the race pickle that America is in at this point, unfortunately and I hope the big boys don’t capitalize on this fact. To one of the posters above I doubt if there was a riot it would spill out of the black neighborhoods, but if it did please do not confront anyone. I heard you say something to the effect of having weapons and knowing how to use them. Just stay inside, you will be ok. Angry mobs with automatic weapons, stolen weapons, weapons used in murders that are still on the street is not good for you and it won’t be a angry leftie, it will be a misinformed angry uneducated black man who believed the media about America hating him and his race with all his friends and a ton of weapons that would make Iran-Contra look like a joke. Everyone in that mob will have just as many or even more weapons than you can produce. Trust me. Just don’t confront anyone stay inside and everything will pass over. Hopefully this will never come to pass regardless of the outcome of the election and this will be a mood point. My point is there is fine line between being brave and stupid, don’t cross it.
>>Its always something with these creeps because they are just miserable people.
;^D
>>The truth is there has never been a black nominee or president in this country.
Well, there has been a black nominee – Obama, now – but never a President.
Still reading the rest.
I don’t know that any poster here that beats up on him is legitimate or not. Just because you say your not racist or prejudice does not prove or mean a thing in the grand scheme, even if you are totally sincere, the problem is if I don’t know you, how do I know you are sincere just by your words and vice versa for me as well.
Judge the argument. Whether either of us is a racist or not doesn’t matter if the argument presented is reasoned and valid. I don’t care about riots much because the area in which I live is about as integrated as one can be, and I just don’t see any of my neighbors reacting that way.
>>If he is beaten handily and more surprising than the polls show, then the press is going to say even those people who say they were going to vote for Obama did not vote for him. Then comes the framing effects of national racism. The problem with this whole scenario is even if this whole claim is untrue we as Americans have nothing to base our dispute on, or a control group for the experiment so to speak.
Untrue. We already have vast experience with a big-talk, do-nothing Youth Vote – which Obama is counting on to an ill-advised degree. Additionally, he’s slamming McCain’s age, and if you take a glance at US demographics, that’s a losing tack, too.
But you’re right about the role the media may play. In fact, since this stuff is appearing now in the news, one could say they already are fanning those flames.
This kind of national conversation isn’t all that important when you have Sarah Palin’s e-mails to read. See LGF’s latest post.
>>For the record, from my own experience I don’t see America as mostly racist but I do see it as prejudice, there is a difference. I have even experienced it first hand, which is why I know prejudice exists.
Sorry that happened to you. FWLIW and something to chew on, some of us suspect that Obama comes from a background which targets whites for that prejudice, and some read into his proposed policies indications that he will pursue that. We’d just as soon not have that happen, just as you wouldn’t want an overt black-hating racist in the Presidency.
OT, but important:
“DoD announces new Afghanistan rotation”
http://tinyurl.com/3ffjaj
“Camp Lejeune’s 3rd Battalion, 8th Marines, will form the MAGTF’s ground element”
My sons outfit.
Last:
>>I doubt if there was a riot it would spill out of the black neighborhoods, but if it did please do not confront anyone. … Just stay inside, you will be ok.
This is about right, and well-meant advice. Thing is, I live in a high crime black-majority neighborhood. Nothing to fear from my neighbors [I hope], but their kids? The kids that troop through at all hours? Maybe as I come and go in my car?
Sure as Hell, if there’s a riot I’m not sticking around. Visit my folks in the ‘burbs.
The polls aren’t accurate until the last week or days before the election. Before that time, pollsters serve their masters who pay them. After that, pollsters have to build some credibility to enable themselves to earn a living the rest of the year.
Now, polls that we never see, the results of which are for the power-brokers only, that may be a different matter, and that is why stuff like this is interesting. Is Obama doing worse than the “public” polls indicate?
Godspeed to your son and family, N.O.Brain
My best wishes to you and yours, N. O’Brain.
Why am I starting to picture progressives as Delbert Grady. That very subtle arrogance, always willing to offer some instructions. The Democrats are slowly, every so slowly, starting to listen to Delbert. Just one more piece of advice from Mr. Grady:
“Perhaps they need a good talking to, if you don’t mind my saying so. Perhaps a bit more. My girls, sir, they didn’t care for progressive politics at first. One of them actually stole a pack of matches, and tried to burn it down. But I “corrected” them sir. And when my wife tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I “corrected” her. “
#29 Broderick:
Good points. ‘No one knows what evil lies in the hearts of men.’ There is no way for the motives of millions ov voters to be known, and such a charge can’t really be denied. How could it be, when the accuser is unlikely to believe the person accused, when the accuser has no real proof of motive but what the accuser wants to believe?
I think such an accusation will do more damage than good. As I said in my comment #4, racism is the greatest social crimes in this country right now. A blanket accusation of racism before an election is more likely to put peoples’ backs up and anger them, it is akin to extortion ‘vote this way or we will accuse you of racism’. The same after an election. The damage to the accusing party, be it the media or Democratic Party spokesmen, will be very great, I think. And for that reason I hope that accusation is not made, or if made, is condemned quickly.
Strangely enough, sandal-boy, I don’t care whether you think I’m a racist or not.
I hate to tell the black racists this, but if you google “empty suit” and look under google images…
You see, it ain’t about the junior senator being black. It’s just that there’s no there, there, with him. Not only is his suit empty, but under that skin, black, white, pink, green, or pink with purple polka-dots? He’s empty, too…which is the problem, you see. He’s a purebred automaton. A chimera. Mist in the noonday sun. Smoke in a strong breeze. He’s not even a meshuganah, ’cause in order to be crazy, there has to be someone in there to be crazy to begin with.
What’s even scarier than Obama winning will be the Angry Left taking it as a mandate to act upon everything they believe about Obama that made him the perfect candidate.
Back in the day, before he put on a shirt and tie and weaseled his way into the California State Assembly, Tom Hayden used to meet with the Black Panthers in the hope of using them to pull off some violent action “uprisingâ€Â. As I recall, the Panthers turned him down flat, with the curt reply: “That’s just like you, Tom. Get a nigger to pull the trigger…â€Â
The Panthers of that day were recipients of an education under which students were taught to think things through. Not so, the publicly educated of today.
I don’t think I’ll have to, but if’n O! goes down I will set fire to every last one of your Nascar mudflaps.
When Baracky debates Senator McCain I think people will be looking for a reason to vote against Baracky more than looking for a reason to vote against McCain. The media already smuffocated them with the gauzy soft porn hopey changey version of Baracky and they’ve disparaged Senator McCain the best they can already. NPR-style propaganda hit the point of diminishing returns weeks and weeks ago. This morning they did the Ike is causing Katrina flashbacks ohnoes! angle and it was just white noise and almost pitiful. They are going to be so empty when Baracky loses. Baracky should be large and in charge by now but he struggles and struggles just to make sentences sound pretty these days. Baracky’s going to lose and the media knows it I think. This is why you are all racists.
What he said . . . sporting a McCain sign in your yard or card is racism?
Nothin’ in your Habitrail but wood chips and hicks is what I think.
I can’t think of a single thing more insulting and unappealing to undecided (or just-tuning-in) voters than, “Vote for the black guy because if you don’t, you’re a racist.” I have to think this backfires on the Sebeliuses and Jack Caffertys of the world.
Almost makes me want to paraphrase the Elephant Man: “I AM NOT A RACIST! I AM A CONSERVATIVE-MINDED AMERICAN WHO THINKS OBAMA’S HAM-FISTED PROPOSALS WOULD DOOM THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY — FINANCIALLY, MILITARILY, AND CULTURALLY — FOR GENERATIONS!”
Juliette! Always a pleasure and a privilege to be graced by your company.
I have a confession to make: Barack Obama as president scares the crap out of me. It’s the first time I’ve ever said this about any candidate.
Now to ward away several assumptions:
No, not because he’s half black or had a black Kenyan father or an Indonesian Muslim stepfather.
No, not because his middle name is “Hussein” and he has an Afro and plays basketball.
No, not because he did cocaine and smoked pot and not even because he spent 20 years in a Black Liberation church.
None of it, thank you.
He scares the crap out of me because my instincts tell me that he is a carefully self created entity seeking office under one set of “non-partisan” “hopey changey” philosophies while effectively hiding his true political beliefs because he knows that the vast majority of the country wouldn’t stand for it.
I expect “you know who” to come along and call me a whining racist or some such. I don’t care. There are too many political issues with this guy and where his background indicates he sits on the political spectrum.
Which is well left of where he’s running at the moment. Why should i believe that he won’t attempt to govern in the way that he has always tied to govern, from the far left liberal perspective that has clearly been a part of his political experience?
The Panthers of that day were recipients of an education under which students were taught to think things through. Not so, the publicly educated of today.
Sadly true, Baldilocks. Yet uneducated they may be, surely the gang-bangers of today are *not* that stupid?
Godspeed to your son, N’OB.
Almost makes me want to paraphrase the Elephant Man: “I AM NOT A RACIST! I AM A CONSERVATIVE-MINDED AMERICAN WHO THINKS OBAMA’S HAM-FISTED PROPOSALS WOULD DOOM THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY  FINANCIALLY, MILITARILY, AND CULTURALLY  FOR GENERATIONS!â€Â
To which the Commiecrats would reply, “Same thing.”
I’m with Curmudgeon. There is no reply except to cut from those who would say that, duelling being illegal. And I think that if the Democrats did that they would be, politically speaking, ‘suck-starting a pistol’.
But for real though lots of Democrats like the rioting idea so much they might not even vote. It’s hard to overstate how not-clever many of the people Baracky is counting on to put him over the top are.
What’s even scarier than Obama winning will be the Angry Left taking it as a mandate to act upon everything they believe about Obama that made him the perfect candidate.
That is a big part of the way I am looking at it. Which is more of a threat, theoretically, an angry black mob pissed off for a few weeks that Obama lost with some bricks in their hands, or an angry white mob fired up for four years that Obama won with a mandate in their hands? I am more scared of whitey, I think.
I spent an hour after work today picketing at getting petition signatures outside Target today, happyfeet. Those towels need to be free.
That’s an act of real kindness there, B Moe.
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You are a good man, B Moe.
#57 BMoe:
Actually, a resurgence of domestic terrorism would be what you would see from ‘whitey’. Not Ayers or Dohrn, of course. They are too old and too comfortable, I think, for direct action. They will lend their voices while continuing to enjoy tenure and all the money that they have collected. Same with the Michael Moores of the world. It will be fashionable, they will be able to burnish their ‘radical chic’ credentials, like Leonard Bernstein did. The ones who will pay for their indulgence of the colosseum will be the little people they depend on for their very existence. Politics as a real blood-sport, for their fun and profit. There are always more little people, right?
A Most Dangerous Game.
BJ,
I’m with you…it’s more the incongruence of words and actions giving me that “red flag” feeling. I can’t help but wonder who is really pulling the strings?
curmudgeon ( and I am pissed that I didn’t think of that handle. H. L. and W.C. are two of my heroes).
Even though we are not “allowed” to say the word “Communist” anymore, you are right on the button. The latest generation knows nothing of the realities of pre-Berlin wall history. It is just words to them, and they think that being nice to murderous thugs will elicit a like response.
I was talking to a woman who is for Obama today, and when I started peppering her with facts, her reaction was: “I don’t want to talk politics”.
This is what we are dealing with. People who have no clue as to what history and facts have to do with their lives, and when you put that in front of their faces, they “don’t want to talk politics”. But they still HATE Bush, and think that Obama really is the “lightgiver”.
I have made the decision to push these people as hard as I can to give me a rational explanation for their thoughts, and, to my astonishment, many of them say that they will check it out. I don’t think most of them really will, but it I can get five people to understand the truth, that is five more people who can say: “I was this, but now I am that, and here’s why”.
Folding up to these people is the worst thing we could ever do. And after years of thinking “It’s not worth arguing with a box of rocks” I have finally realized that confronting them with the truth and facts is the only way to even get them wondering. And once they are wondering, they are on their way.
I am no longer ashamed to be on the side of logic and facts, and these screaming assholes that go nuts at the mention of “W” do not intimidate me any more. And I have to say that for many years, they did.
There is nothing wrong with standing up for what America has always been about, no matter how withering the incoming fire is.
I love America, not the bullshit America that the proggs want.
If you need a helping hand, I will give you what little I have to help you. If you are a “victim” saying “gimme, gimme, gimme”, I say go fuck yourself.
I owe nobody the time of day unless I feel like giving it to them.
Yup. Communist is a word we are not supposed to use. But that is very close to what we are confronting now. I think it’s a tie between communism and fascism at the moment.
And they blame US for the hate that exists in the political spectrum.
DailyKos, DU, Move-on? I have never seen such concentrated, blind hatred in my life. Get ready for when O! loses, you racist fucks! It couldn’t possibly be policy differences, it is RAW RACISM!
Yeah. Right…
Mostly though Whitey will probably refuse to separate his recycling for a week and get his nephew to come over and block Fox News on the DirecTV thinger, so darn angry he will be. White liberals are teh fierce when they get riled.
I really think McCain’s new (?) slogan “Country first” is going to play well. I had not heard the slogan (maybe I’ve been not paying attention) until the McCain rally in Tampa this week – there were huge banners proclaiming Country First and I think it fits extremely well with McCain’s background and persona. There were numerous chants of “USA!” during the rally- contrast that to democratic rallies where the chants are only “O-BA-MA” or “Bush sucks”
#65 haps:
You are correct, the bulk of Kos and DU will do nothing.
There are domestic terrorist groups – ALF, ELF, etc. that are used to doing something. I would not be surprised if Sen. Obama loses this election another group would come together to take the fight to another level. It is a possibility, and one that cannot be discounted out of hand. That does not mean that any one should change his or her vote – that is extortion, that is political McCarthyism. Democracy only lives when people are free to vote how they want for whatever reason – not for fear of their lives, property, or livliehoods.
The pre-mortem accusations actually reinforce my desire to vote for Sen. McCain – just one more person giving the finger to my ‘betters’ desires.
Lost Dog: I use the term all the time, because it just plain fits them. (As the Soviet archives opened up, this became literally true). They are Demunists, Commiecrats, Marxicrats, fellow travelers, etc. It is no accident that they started trying to foment race wars just when the Soviet Empire fell apart. Economic marxism-leninism failed, so try cultural marxism-leninism.
What really gets me is that the Commiecrats appear to be morphing into Dhimmicrats. I guess if you follow the “multicultural” anti-Western thesis to it’s logical conclusion this makes sense, as the Red Menace turned into the Raghead Menace. But all that rhetoric about battling “racism, sexism, homophobia, and religious fundamentalism” seems to have been tossed aside.
Just because you say your not racist or prejudice does not prove or mean a thing in the grand scheme, even if you are totally sincere, the problem is if I don’t know you, how do I know you are sincere just by your words and vice versa for me as well.
Um, wouldn’t it be a good idea if we at least started with a presumption of innocence? Just saying…
That does not mean that any one should change his or her vote – that is extortion, that is political McCarthyism.
While I certainly won’t give into the the threats, it’s time to give Tailgunner Joe his due–what has come out of Soviet archives has largely vindicated him. He may have been a loutish drunk, but he was definitely onto something. If he had only gone to AA meetings and lived the Twelve Steps, he might have done this country a lot of good.
In a sane America, people like Noam Chomsky, Ward Churchill and Jeremiah Wright would be grilled in front of a revived Un-American Activities Committee.
I think it’s a tie between communism and fascism at the moment.
Have you read Goldberg’s book?
Talking about skin-colors and “racism”…
I’ve traveled the world, and the only truly white person I ever saw was a Scandi named Martin. This guy’s skin was white, like snow.
The only really, really black guy I ever saw was a Somali oil-field hand.
Martin was a dolt and a jerk, and I’d never vote for him.
(I’m a racist.)
Everyone in that mob will have just as many or even more weapons than you can produce. Trust me. Just don’t confront anyone stay inside and everything will pass over. Hopefully this will never come to pass regardless of the outcome of the election and this will be a mood point. My point is there is fine line between being brave and stupid, don’t cross it.
So if we have the misfortune to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, we just have to take it and hope we are Reginald Denny at best rather than the Knoxville couple at worst? Fuck that. If they want to start something, I will be ready and I will shoot. Of course, the Commiecrats will try me for self defense (cf. Bernard Goetz) but better tried by 12 than carried by 6.
Oh we’re comin’ after youz ahrahts. And we gots da gack da mac and da jammies on auto, Cracker!
thor finally showed up to vomit on the blog. You know, with each post we should take a little wager to determine by what comment number thor will finally show up.
#51 BMoe:
I think Melanie has all the answers you’re looking for.
#69 Salt Lick: Presumption of innoccence? Puh-lease!
#70 Curmudgeon: While Sen. McCarthy was correct, I was refering to the popular conception of baseless accusation done to ruin a person’s reputation. McCarthyism means that now.
Today the left is the real source of McCarthyism. Funny how that wheel has turned, isn’t it?
#73 Curmudgeon:
I think Broderick was saying ‘don’t go looking for a fight’ if there is a mob running around.
Just pull back, secure what and who you must secure, and get to a place that you can fight from without getting yourself and yours killed by a mob. Mobs don’t last long, and it isn’t forty years ago. Mr. Denny was very unlucky to be where he was when. That’s all I am saying, and what I think Broderick was saying.
My neighborhood’s pretty safe except for the drug dealer up on the corner. Not sure how politically aware he is. Just as a guess, he’d be more bummed if we legalized pot than by a presidential election.
For thor, today’s Aggie joke:
An Aggie went hunting and shot two deer. When he went to the taxidermist,
he was asked if he wanted them mounted.
“No,” the Aggie replied, “kissing will be fine.”
My own #77:
The left is now Mrs. Grundy.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/247423/Mrs-Grundy#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked&title=Mrs.%20Grundy%20–%20Britannica%20Online%20Encyclopedia
Oh we’re comin’ after youz ahrahts. And we gots da gack da mac and da jammies on auto, Cracker!
I don’t think this is very sensitive, not racially anyway. And it should be “we’s gots” I think.
An old verse goes, “They thieve and plot and toil and plod and go to church on Sunday. It’s true enough that some fear God but they all fear Mrs. Grundy.”
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/280/5365/832
I read this somewhere else first – can’t remember where.
#81 haps:
A regular Joel Chandler Harris you are.
You guys, I know this is off topic but I just got this forwarded to me from an ex co-worker. I don’t know if this video is true but take a look. It’s a guy from L.A. saying that he is the true father of Sarah Palin’s daughter’s baby. He says, saying that he was the father would have been bad for politics so he is going to seek legal action to see his child. Don’t know if it is true or not,
but we will all know if he is blowing smoke out of his ass or not very soon. Everyone take a look and judge for themselves the link is below.
http://www.blackbottom.com/watch.php?v=WdBJd9b9i8A
Here’s a thought:
Would you have thought, a couple of months ago, that you would be defending the McCain ticket with the fierceness being shown, for example, in this thread?
God but leftists are desperate and sad little creatures.
Comment by Curmudgeon on 9/17 @ 5:09 pm #
Please ignore the talking pile of shit,
Thank you.
I think this must be the happyfeet theme song:
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my what a wonderful day!
Plenty of sunshine heading my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Mister Bluebird on my shoulder
It’s the truth, it’s actch’ll
Ev’rything is satisfactch’ll
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day!
There are mornings when I feel that.
I like those mornings.
MikeyNTH: What I am saying is I am more fearful of what his angry white radical friends will do if he wins than I am what his black fans may do if he loses.
I’m gonna go make some yeast doughnuts. And then go share ’em with a bunch of right wing nut cases over at the American Legion Hall. And get ’em all riled up about some black boy sez he’s the Palin girl poker. And then we’ll all go make some beignets and coffee.
And then go get some more guys riled up sharing our beignets. Down to the pile-eece station where they like beignets. And we’ll all be riled up about some black boy sez he’s the Palin girl poker. And then we’ll all go into the kitchen and make a lotta crepes. Filled with cream cheese and jam.
Down the street with our crepes with cream cheese and jam we’ll go and get us some more crazy people riled up with a story about a black boy sez he’s the Palin girls baby daddy. Cause we’re givin’em crepes with cream cheese and jam but we don’t got no more doughnuts. Or beignets. Cause we ate ’em. Sorry. Go make your own doughnuts.
Sorta but it’s more the If You Steal My Sunshine one. My neighbor must be a little sick of that one I think.
#85 N. O’Brain:
No.
#84 Broderick:
That is why I gave a ‘no’ to N. O’Brain’s question. Everything has been so over the top that it falls into the ‘you got to have titanium level proof’ before I will acknowledge it. Think ‘grassy knoll, but with DNA evidence, the rifle, the ballistic tests, and an uncoerced confession recorded by the Pope, the Dali Lama, and the Recording Angel’.
#89 BMoe:
I thought that was what I said.
Maybe I mis-spoke.
#91 haps:
You can’t steal sunshine.
Either you have it or you don’t, and another’s sunshine doesn’t fit. Don’t do such a defensive song – you want an offensive* song, like ‘Walkin’ on Sunshine’.
Me – I borrowed a disc from my parents before they went to Florida – The Platters’ Golden Hits. So it is ‘The Great Pretender’, ‘Twilight Time’, ‘Smoke Gets in Your Eyes’.
I like ‘Twilight Time’ the best. So much hope in that song.
*I don’t mean offensive as attack, but as anti-blue-days.
I can’t sing, but in the car no one needs to know.
Was Barabus a Community Organizer™
Heavenly shades of night are falling, it’s twilight time
Out of the mist your voice is calling, ’tis twilight time
When purple-colored curtains mark the end of day
I’ll hear you, my dear, at twilight time…
Just a mood I’ve been in for a couple of weeks.
I’m sure ‘Ca Plane Pour Moi’ will arrive again one of these days.
The Dems need to elect a more enlightened public, it seems.
#96 dre:
I think he was a community dis-organizer, what with the banditry and killing and stuff.
Not a very nice man.
#98 TSI:
‘The voters have spoken – the bastards’.
Silly Sanity Inspector. the evolutionary biologists are going to grow them for the Dems. Nishi’s working on it!
“I think he was a community dis-organizer, what with the banditry and killing and stuff.Not a very nice man.”
Come on Stalin had to break some eggs to bring on utopia.
Jeez, happy, maybe you need some new music if you like the happybeat stuff and your neighbors are getting sick of it and all. You know the Harvey Girls? I can get you lots of linkies….
What century are you living in? That’s so dead-white-male!
The video’s bullshit, Broderick.
Utopia is fine so long as you and yours aren’t thought of as ‘eggs’.
The record of proposed ‘Utopias’ seems to imply that nearly everyone is an ‘egg’.
Unless you are the King. It is good to be the king, then.
It is funny, that so many proposing the new Utopia don’t ever consider that they will be eggs; they think that they will be the guy holding the whisk.
There is your market for hope and change.
There can only be one Stalin at a time, but innumerable Trotskys. So to speak.
Oh my! I’m a little drunk tonight.
Going to have to go to bed now so I can go to work.
Nighty night; don’t let the bed-bugs bite.
Converting the metaphor to Orwellian:
Only room for one Napoleon, but innumerable Snowballs.
I think most of the people think they’ll get to be Napoleon’s puppies. They end up being the pony.
I’ve always identified with Boxer, sure. Prb’ly better to be the filly what ran away, though.
The left argument or lack of same; is seen in at least two recent pieces of speculative fiction; Camilla Modern, and Army of the Republic. The first is a kind of Prometheus story brought about through cloning; which has
the moonbat primer on the Republicans set in 2009; of police squads taking away people in the night. The next is a modern take on Jack
London’s ‘Iron Heel” by Juneau’s resident anarchist crime novelist (I know, who knew) which portrays a simmering guerilla war, carried out by Michigan Militiamen &’Black Block’ anarchists occurring mostly in the Pacific NorthWest against a Republican regime, which was elected despite the currency collapse, mass drought, peak oil; obviously through ‘trumped up accusations of ‘fraud. A bearded Spock vision of the actual political situation in that region; that transposes events from South America to near future America; employs death squads, headed by Halliburton type mercenaries who guard private companies controlling the water supply. AS you might expect, there are poor paper mache caricatures of Fox News, and Anne Coulter, and the heroes of the afore mentioned Army of the Republic are selfless fighter for the people; more like uptight prigs like Ayers on speed, who share an equally plebeian background (sarcasm; his dad is also a Robber Baron, just like Barricade Billy Ayers) The interesting detail is that they didn’t envision a Barack Obama in this dystopian take.
May God Bless and Keep your son, N. O’Brain.
May He Bless him, keep His face turned toward him, protect him with His strong right hand, may He let no weapon formed against him prosper, may He smite all those who mean to do him harm…
And when his deployment is over, may He return him safely home, to live and prosper for many years to come; enjoying the bosom of his loving family and the love of all his friends…
OO-RAH !,
Semper Fidelis !
I would think if a man knew a girl well enough to father her baby he would know how to pronounce her last name — especially if she’s the governor’s daughter.
I gots me my vomit gun right here and I wait’n to vomit you between your beady eyes if’n you come near.
thor, that is rich…Can you provide an english translation!
Is it anything like Bible thumpin’, shotgun pumpin’..?
I know what a “mac” is…gack? Jammies?
Just wondering…
Thanks for all the kind thoughts.
I’ll pass them along.
Please ignore this plunger of young Eskimo boys.
Thanks in advance.
>>The truth is there has never been a black nominee or president in this country.
Actually, wasn’t Fredrick Douglas nominated for vice-president to Victoria Woodhull’s presidential campaign back in the 1872 election?
As a side note, the first woman to receive an electoral vote was Libertarian Tonie Nathan, who received a vote for Vice President in 1972.
>>Everyone in that mob will have just as many or even more weapons than you can produce. Trust me. Just don’t confront anyone stay inside and everything will pass over. Hopefully this will never come to pass regardless of the outcome of the election and this will be a mood point. My point is there is fine line between being brave and stupid, don’t cross it.
You don’t get out much, do you?
dre: “Was Barabus a Community Organizer?”
No, but Pilate voted “present” twice.
Semper fi and godspeed to your son, N. O’Brain!
Mac for Mac 10, gack for Glock, jammie for fully-auto, maybe? I don’t know. My advice would be to look it up in a urban slang dictionary. Sometimes you have to be hip to be square, as they say.
Jesus was a brother as well.
I gots me my vomit gun right here and I wait’n to vomit you between your beady eyes if’n you come near.
You’re appreciating the right to self defense; it’s a start. You’re improving. There may be hope for you yet.
This is OT, but I thought I would share this e-mail with everyone. I know the “overlords” are out of control, but this really puts it in perspective. And I wouldn’t normally do this, but it is a mind blower.
Yikes!
how many points
A thousand points of light is what’s needed.
It’s safe to assume people who don’t know too much about the canditates yet will know much more after the debates.
I don’t think Barack can survive intact if McCain is able to shine some light on things the media has largely ignored.
Yeah, you can. Do you like butter tarts?
broderick,
Great post.
You’re right. No one can know the heart of anyone else. I just haven’t detected a whole lot of racism in the opposition to Obama. Of course, it does exist, but I don’t think it is a deciding factor.
I am voting for McCain, but it has to do with policy, and where he will lead this country as opposed to Obama. It has nothing to do with melanin, but rather that Obama is too extreme left wing, and really seems to have no clue about the realities of the world.
When Obama first surfaced, I was intrigued, and hopeful for him. But he has since convinced me that his philosophy is dangerous for this country, and he doesn’t understand realpolitik at all.
I would have been proud to vote for this man, but he is the antithesis of everything I believe in.
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Hey, N.O’Brain,
Thank your son for me, and God bless him.
thanks. urthshu … I put them on my list – I am waiting for the new pc to be done before I hook up speakers again but that will be soon … I’m gonna go read the new post now and then watch Roswell … jeez I’m never gonna get caught up with teh pop culture I don’t think
N. O’Brain, God keep and bless your son, you, and your family. Please extend my respect, thanks, and a hearty Semper Fi to him for me.
8th Marines has a history with jihadis. I hope they enjoy great success in their coming deployment.
Totally off topic –
Right out of high school I went on a spontaneous road trip up to Lubbock with some friends. This was early summer and the Tech kids were still letting off steam after finals.
Long story short, we executed what passed for a pub crawl (legal drinking age was 18 that one year) through five bars and about five illegal parties. We ended up a little too influenced to drive. Okay, turning a key would have thrown off the “breathe in/breathe out” exercise…
The MC of the last party we ended up at charged us a cover to sleep it off in an unused quarter of the building. It was less trouble (and more money) for him than waiting for the cops to follow the drunks back to his party.
I got home Sunday night. My dad asked “How’d it go?” and I couldn’t help but admit we’d been out partying. “Not bad. I ended up paying ten bucks to sleep in a warehouse last night, though.”
He buried his head in his hands. “I’ve raised an Aggie!”
You may continue your regularly scheduled activities.
We’re not worried about riots (race or otherwise) here at the home of the Team. Shucks, my daughters want me to build a fake dormer on my roof to have a flat place for popcorn and extra ammo for when the zombies come.
My wife never worries about me “looking for trouble”. She says I’m too lazy to carry that much ammo that far.
I used to joke about John Kerry being a Fellini movie of an Ibsen script. But where Kerry was John Gabriel Borkman, waiting for the world to recognize his greatness only to find the world had passed him by, Obama is Peer Gynt’s onion of a man, wrapped skins of artifice and pose around a hollow core of desperate, inchoate need…
#131
Dude! That’s fuckin’deep.