Darleen on the return of the plumbers.
Interesting idea from the Dems, I must say: run a campaign based on the platform of a McGovern, but use the tactics of a Nixon.
If only Hunter Thompson were around to tell us how to feel about all this…
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update: Steve Diamond calls the story “fanciful.” (h/t Sdferr)
Darleen responds.
i feel pretty and free!
As long as history remains mutable, they will get away with stuff like this. Most people don’t have the time or inclination to pay attention, which makes it easy for many things to get ignored, as this will likely be.
HST would probably view it with some fear and loathing. When going gets weird, the weird get going!
Steve Diamond’s response to John Batchelor’s Human Events post, “The story in Human Events that relies on alleged quotes from me is wrong.” […]
Before someone even less friendly to the cause than I am points it out–
Though its central thrust may be legit, in a sense, that there’s a not-accurate article.
I can’t post working links, so: See Diamond’s site.
My apologies, I should have checked Darleen’s post first, where I see Diamond himself has responded in person.
Sdferr
There’s seems to be some chatter about Diamond “scrubbing” his plumber comments from his site.
I don’t know about that Dar, but I do know I was hasty for no particularly good reason. (Also, though I have been reading Diamond’s site for months, I freely admit I did not know, did not see, his statement: “Also, this site should realize that my web is under a license that makes it illegal to quote material from my blog without using the entire post, attributing it clearly to the blog and including the license information.” which I would have honored if I had seen it.)
Sdferr
I’ve responded to Diamond thusly:
Do note too in Diamond’s response that he claims the right to limit “fair use” quotations from his blog.
I believe HST would feed you to his peacocks for all your blind associative Ayers harping, Jeff.
Oh…btw, All? I think Diamond has some sort of auto-alert system up. I cross posted to my own blog and got the same auto comment.
Someone is awfully sensitive to what he attributes was a “tongue in cheek” reference.
Again, while I don’t claim any special knowledge of whether Diamond does or does not “claim[s] the right to limit “fair use†quotations from his blog” I went back and read the claim he does make and don’t find (for myself) on the face of it, anything restricting a fair use (taken in the ordinary sense and not as a term of the legal art).
As I recall HST did his Presidential candidate interviews in public restrooms. Catch’em with their pants down you know.
In a post-Larry Craig world I’m not sure how that would go down. Or who for that matter.
And to think…All those years they enjoyed calling Nixon a crook too…And the fallout of watergate led in part to that ninny Carter being elected…
Something really ironic about them using the same tactics to get another know-nothing, no experience, ninny like O! to get elected !
Hey Darleen, is that fellow Diamond backing off his CAC investigation now that it might accidentally benefit Republicans? You seem to be in the know on this, more than me…I guess it’s above my pay grade!
Sdferr
Diamond’s Pub response and the one to my blog claims his “license” makes it ILLEGAL for me anyone to quote him. He wants me to pull the story.
He needs to brush up on fair use.
This is one of those things that I think of as so too-good-to-be-true that it probably isn’t. I tend to want to let things of that nature get excavated a bit better before believing them.
italiacto
Poor Mr. Diamond. Is he related to Barrett, do you think?
The richness of Barack Obama continues to dazzle. How can someone with such an image around them be so ultimately disappointing? I mean, I know editing Harvard Law Review is a monstrously big deal, but I think the Dems will ultimately regret not letting this chap mature a bit before declaring him Teh Man by voice vote.
Because all I can think of is how Napoleon referred to Talleyrand as five feet of shit in a silk stocking.
“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.”
— HST
“Comment by thor on 9/14 @ 1:23 pm #
I believe HST would feed you to his peacocks for all your blind associative Ayers harping, Jeff.”
What, jealous that you can’t be friends with a real live terrorist, thor?
Lucifer was a Community Organizer™ – Saul Alinsky
Yeah, that’s it. If I had friends like that I could send ’em to your house to place fireworks in your dog’s pet food.
Kaboom!
What a mess!
oh. I can read an implication that he might like you to pull the post Dar but I don’t see him make that direct statement (though it’s possible I missed it, as I had obviously missed his license claim prior to today).
He seems to say two different things in his pub post response,
1)”…makes it illegal to quote material from my blog without using the entire post, attributing it clearly to the blog and including the license information…” and
2)”I did tell Mr. Batchelor that he was free, as is anyone else, to quote directly from the blog…” though these two statements are not mutually exclusive.
The code linked above doesn’t seem to me to require “…using the entire post…” which is more than a little confusing. It does say “You are free: to Share  to copy, distribute and transmit the work” which I don’t take to mean by “the work” the “whole (entire) of any given blog post” and you must attribute the quoted material properly without alteration or commercial profit.
I don’t think Darleen quoted anything at all from his blog, so she’s good.
Which is problematic, I think, in making any sort of case. I’d guess that the internet wayback machine would start looking more interesting, but it has a way of missing recent history, IIRC.
If this guy doesn’t allow excerpts from his posts he should be ignored.
Sdferr
this is what Diamond wrote on my blog
Also this curious
Well, how do we know they are “made up” or “pulled together” since Diamond also admits he DISAPPEARED them?
Squirrelly.
Diamond’s beef is with Batchelor. But he’s trying to spam anyone that links to Betchelor.
I don’t like what I’m seeing from Diamond at the moment, Darleen. First I don’t see you “reproduce material” from his blog at all. Second, if he is disappearing material he has written (while admitting as much) it becomes impossible to know, as you’ve pointed out, whether anything quoted from him is accurate or not. So. I agree, shifty, squirrely (I always liked Rocky), what-have-you, not good.
Was’nt the Plumbers mission,to break into the
psychiatrist office to look for info,from the session records,of the guy who leaked the Pentagon Papers?
Tony
South Haven,MI
Sarah Palin could have been a member of the Weather Underground Junior League.
You can quote me on that.
Tony
That was the endpoint of the Plumbers, not their raison d’etre.
Nixon was borderline paranoid, part and parcel of a personality forged by being sneered and bullied as a youngster and his experiences in college. He became consumed with control. The Plumbers were supposed to investigate leaks, but went far beyond.
Obama’s thin, will-o-the’wisp personality coupled with his need for complete control (and dissembling when it isn’t immediately forthcoming) is eerily Nixonian.
Eh, I’ve always thought that the charicterization of Nixon as sui generis was mostly Lefty Bullshit. I mean, does anyone think that LBJ was really a boyscout?
“Comment by thor on 9/14 @ 1:47 pm #
Yeah, that’s it. If I had friends like that I could send ‘em to your house to place fireworks in your dog’s pet food.
Kaboom!
What a mess!”
Which would be mucho better than trying to kill cops. or innocent bystanders.
Or to blow your own fucking idiot self up in a brownstone in NYC.
Moron.
PIMF. Thank you mojo. Close enough for plagiarizing politicians?
“Comment by thor on 9/14 @ 2:18 pm #
Sarah Palin could have been a member of the Weather Underground Junior League.
You can quote me on that.”
You’re insane.
PMS: Palin Madness Syndrome.
Just a guess here, but your sitting at your computer down in Mom’s basement, wearing a brown shirt and a tiny little mustache created with your own feces.
Fact remains, Palin is an ignorant opportunist, bad for the USA.
But she can see Russia from her house! Cheer!
“Comment by Richard Bennett on 9/14 @ 3:14 pm #
Fact remains, Palin is an ignorant opportunist, bad for the USA.
But she can see Russia from her house! Cheer!”
Fucking lying ignorant asshole.
Fact remains, Palin is an ignorant opportunist, bad for the USA.
Opinions aren’t facts, Richard, even yours. Try to be strong.
I’d like to announce that I’ve fallen in love with Couperin’s “Les Baricades Misterieuses”.
Nice rendition here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ffPVFTmK48
I bet hf would like it.
Darleen,
With Respect,
Ellsberg,should have been arrested
and put on trial,for security violations,maybe treason also.
There should have investigations,into anyone else leaking or receiving state and military documents.also If there was any proof,of a Democrat Party involvement also.Which i suspect they did.
After the last 8 years,do you think there could be a conspiracy,to get Nixon? I do.
Nixon was right to be paranoid.there were people out to get him.”By any means necessary”
Tony
South Haven,MI
No need to send a squadron of M-80 wielding urban terrorists to blow dog chow all over your kitchen, all I have to do is call Sister Sarah an unspeakable unt and the resulting blood rush will cause your head to burst into bird shit.
Pie your spewhole, you inflatable God-bag.
Comment by thor on 9/14 @ 2:18 pm #
Sarah Palin could have been a member of the Weather Underground Junior League.
Wrong political party,Bambi.
The Weather Underground declared war on the U.S. in December 1969.
Was there an Armistice signed?
Be interesting if we are still in a state of war
with them.
Tony
South Haven,MI
Tony
I lived through this … my first vote as an 18 y/o was for Nixon and to this day, I still would have voted for him.
I do not think he was an evil man by any means. I do think he was fiercely patriotic. But he WAS shaped by his youth and I believe he made decisions in secret that would have been better done in public. Rather than trying to “discredit” Elsberg by the botched buglary, he SHOULD have been arrested and then let it work through the judiciary.
A tight innercircle of operatives in a political unit is really SOP. I don’t buy for a moment the Leftbots slapped-hands-to-face-looks-of-horror schtick. If Obama disbanded his merry little group of apparachiks after their missions to toss rivals off ballots or destroy them in the press, THAT would shock me. Obama is out of the Daley machine for crissakes … the ones that robbed Nixon of the presidency in ’63.
Yes, Nixon had every right to believe people were out to get him; he just didn’t make the correct decisions in outting/neutralizing them.
Tony
please don’t feed the immoral troll
Ok, ignore the talking pile of shit.
But, before I turn on Teh Ignoreâ„¢, one more thing:
“Pie your spewhole, you inflatable God-bag.”
I’m an agnostic, you gormless popinjay, you infantile delusional fantasists, you ignoranus.
Darleen’s a prestidigitator of fact.
N. O’Brain
That was very nice! I like the following from the related videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjoRgi3e-Jc&feature=related
Darleen is busted.
You just made hell blink! O’Brain, Palin don’t like your kind’o animal. She thinks you might be one of them swollen heads that hangs out at the Wasilla library.
Dickie
34DD, so yes I am.
Darleen is busted.
Attaboy, Richard. Go after Darleen! Dumb old girl like that can’t possible match wits with you!
Sorry, it’s one of my pet peeves about the “Baby Boomers”.
Along with the whole “Kennedy-Royalty” thing.
Tony
South Haven,MI
Darleen — I honestly don’t know about any explicit “plumber” comments Diamond might have made on his blog — I haven’t seen any, but this is kind of troubling:
Diamond responding at PW Pub:
This makes it sound like it was just a coincidence (i.e. Rollings just happened to call on that day). But…
From this Sept. 9 post on Diamond’s blog, titled “Anenberg Gate Update: Did University Warn Obama/Ayers Ally of National Review Inquiry?”
Diamond obviously didn’t think it was a coincidence five days ago, did he?
So what? I knew Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (superficially, we didn’t get high together) in the 60’s and I still voted for Bush Jr. Shit happens.
Richard, you’re pathetic. If Ayers and Dohrn aren’t any big deal, he should just acknowledge he worked with them and move on. He can’t and won’t because it would point out that, far from being Mr HopeChangeLove, he’s just another Chicago hack machine politician, wrapped in a fishy change paper. And he, as he so correctly pointed out, stinks.
And “fishy change paper” would make a very poor name for a band, IMHO.
Paper Fish or Stinky Lipstick would make pretty cool band names, though.
Dickie
Would you let OJ Simpson fund your political debutante ball? I mean, he wasn’t like convicted or anything.
Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn and thier fellow
nitwits Declared War on the United States.
“Shit happens”? This is pretty far from “Shit happens”
Tony
South Haven,MI
#10:
Oh look! There’s another stalker.
Is Richard just another alais?
Time will tell.
Richard Bennett – My cousin used to babysit for this couple who were best friends with this guy who was in a class with Bill Ayers and the guy said that Ayers was, like, pretty awesome. I voted for McGovern in 1972. Can I be your friend?
“True? Who cares if it’s true? I just want to see the son-of-a-bitch get up there and deny it!”
— Lyndon Baines Johnson
Well, thor, speaking strictly for myself and my dog, send em on by. The dog gets new chew toys and I save on dog food. I don’t see a downside, really.
The only question is what I’ll be making the ka-boom with: 12 ga, 20 ga, M1 carbine, Ruger Blackhawk firing .30 carbine… choices, choices, choices.
Or you could reconsider the terroristic threat you just made and stay home to download kiddie porn, buttmunch.
Just for the record, I wouldn’t vote for you either, Dick.
You did not vote for “Bush, Jr.” if only because there is no such person.
And here I thought all you Christians were supposed to believe in redemption. It’s just a word to be discarded when an election is on the line.
You’ll find that not everyone here is Christian, Richard.
BECAUSE OF THE STEREOTYPES!!
I’m not a Christian. Your parents picked an accurate first name for you; they should be proud.
Dickie
redemption requires confession and asking of forgiveness. Ayers is only sorry he couldn’t bomb more.
If you think being bosom buddies with Ayers or OJ (who occupy the same moral plane) is ok, then you are a moral moron.
And here I thought all you Christians were supposed to believe in redemption.
I love it when non-Christians tell me what I’m supposed to believe as a Christian.
I doubt you even know what redemption means in the context of Christian teaching, Dick.
Here’s a hint; Jesus taught that not every one was going to heaven.
That isn’t really “Darleen on the plumbers” so much as it is “Darleen copypasta.” That aside, Michelle and a bunch of black panthers must have gotten to this Diamond guy. That is the only plausible explanation.
I knew Bernadine better that Ayers, Darleen. She had more influence than she deserved in SDS because she was such a novelty – liked to wear leather mini-skirts and lots of lipstick and flirt with the boys. I see a lot of her in Sarah Palin, actually.
Indeed, GOV Palin has often expresed admiration for the actions of the Manson Family…Wild.
She had more influence than she deserved in SDS because she was such a novelty…
Yeah, most of them just talked about blowing folks up, her and Bill actually did it. Quite a novelty.
Why, I do believe Dick is trying to tell us that Ayers and Bernardine are real people! Human, even! With hopes and dreams and small personal idiosyncracies!
How enlightening!
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