Memorandum:
To: The proggosphere, the Opinionated Press, New York Times, et al.
Re: Attempting to claim John McCain is wrong about the counter-insurgency in Iraq
At the risk of sounding rude, how dumb are you, anyway? Starting an argument with John McCain over the timeline of the counter-insurgency in Iraq, e.g., the relationship between the Anbar tribes turning against al Qaeda and the “surge,” attempting to paint this as some big gaffe of McCain’s part is a dead-bang political loser for you. However, as you seem blithely ignorant to the history of the counter-insurgency in Iraq, allow me to briefly recap a few points.
As noted here yesterday, those of you who have relied on The Narrative of hotel journalists from the establishment media (as opposed to embeds and milbloggers) have missed the role of the US in helping the Anbar tribes turn against al Qaeda. You would be well-advised to read the material linked there, but at the very least the Small Wars Journal piece from Bing West and the timeline presented by the Mudville Gazette. However, if you insist on relying on the establishment media and are too lazy to click your mouses more than once, here is a Washington Post story from March 7, 2006:
Tribal chiefs in Iraq’s western Anbar province and in an area near the northern city of Kirkuk, two regions teeming with insurgents, are vowing to strike back at al-Qaeda in Iraq, a Sunni Arab-led group that is waging war against Sunni tribal leaders who are cooperating with the Iraqi government and the U.S. military. Anbar tribes have formed a militia that has killed 20 insurgents from al-Qaeda in Iraq, leaders said.
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Members of the Anbar militia said the group comprised about 100 people who have had relatives slain by al-Qaeda in Iraq. The group is led by Ahmed Ftaikhan, a former Iraqi intelligence officer from the now-disbanded Iraqi army who lives in Ramadi.
[Khalaf al-]Fahdawi, the sheik from the Albu Fahd tribe, said the militia was forged in a series of secret meetings among tribal leaders, each of whom was asked to help form the group. Some contributed men, some money, Fahdawi said. U.S. military officers attended some of the meetings, he said, and helped “with “all kinds of financial support.”
Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, denied that American forces were funding the militia…
Which no one with half a brain ever believed. The US encouraged and funded this movement from the outset, ultimately backing it with artillery and air support. The US did so as part of the evolving counter-insurgency doctrine that was ultimately formalized by Gen. Petraeus and his colleagues. It also did so as part of the ongoing counter-insurgency mission that came to include the increased troop levels which most think of when they hear the word “surge.” It is a mission McCain has supported and Obama has opposed.
Your current attempt to manufacture a McCain gaffe stems only from the fact that people currently tend to think of the “surge” only in terms of the increase in troop levels, as opposed to part of a larger strategy.
However, as you must know, Election Day is a long way away in political terms. Should you persist in this manner, by November, Camp McCain should be able to establish not only that you are arguing semantics, but that in doing so, you are also grossly insulting US troops and the very heroic, grueling work they did in Anbar province in 2005-06.ÂÂ
McCain will be able to say that while he expects that he will be bashed by the Obama campaign and its supporters, he will not stand by to see our brave men and women in the US military be subjected to the sort of bitter, divisive, partisan attacks and insults we had from the Far Left during the Vietnam era.  The casual voter will probably credit the word of the former POW and long-time member of the Sen. Armed Services Committee over the rookie Senator Obama, the establishment media or the sort of snot-nosed Soros hack who has himself photographed wearing “terrorist chic.â€Â
In short, this current attempt to manufacture a McCain gaffe on this point will likely hand McCain a golden opportunity to paint Obama and his supporters as fitting the very worst stereotypes of the Far Left antiwar movement. It seems like this would be a major strategic blunder. But it is a free country; you can buy as much rope as you like.
Update: Obama backer Gen. Wesley Clark claims the surge did not work and gives credit to Saudi Arabia and Iran. This not only insults US troops, but tends to suggest that the Saudis and Iranians have been meddling in Iraqi affairs — something the Left has tried to deny until now. This is what I mean about buying your own rope.
The insufferable outrage! Outrage manufactured, packaged and personally delivered to us by a third rate right-wing hack named KKarl.
After all that anti-McCain BS you laid on us during the primaries and yet now you pretend McCain needs you to mouth propaganda on his behalf?
Get a grip, uber-winger.
“Senator Obama, the establishment media or the sort of snot-nosed Soros hack, AND FAUX US SENATE BANKING COMMITTEE MEMBER, who has himself photographed wearing “terrorist chic.â€Â
Dont want to sell him short or anything..
SOOO dumb they still note with pride the time they were fired from the M&M’s factory for throwing out all of the W’s.
Outrage, Thor? Sounds more like friendly tongue clicking tut-tuting to me, but whatever.
nishit’s head is going to explode.
Oh, is McCain running for something? We hadn’t noticed.
You see, while my co-blogger Dan urged people last night to be nice to dissenters like thor, it is fairly clear that thor has no interest in having any sort of dialog.
Which is why I then remind people that he is a serial liar, prone to racial insults, someone who by his own admission has his nose so far up Obama’s ass that he’s eyeing his kidneys, and who was intellectually pantsed several times over by commenters here like Ric Locke, BBH, etc.
OTOH, the fact that thor rarely has anything to offer but personal attacks does suggest that what I have written truly bothers him, but that he has no substantive response to it.
nishi has a head?
nishi has a head?
So does a pimple!
Wesley Clark is gay.
NTTAWWT
If Karl is a “third rate” hack… you must be somewhere along the lines of 857th rate hack, thor.
Punk.
McCain could say that in an ad, with the background being the protests, the US flag buttwiping, the soldier-spitting/effigy-burning, etc.
Then just show some stills of the very same type of aholes, this time wearing O! pins and smiling shiney-eyed like that Hale-Boppy dude…..
Yeah, that might work.
We need to get better trolls….
Can we borrow ADA from Patterico?
Dissenters like thor? Give me a freaking break. Refusing to group-slander and libel Barack Obama isn’t being a dissenter, it’s simply not being a tail-wagging uber-winger.
I’ve said all along I see no reason to bag on McCain or Obama because I see both men as good Americans. Both men are exponentially better people than the human pond scum from each party that sit in the Senate and House; that’s my read.
So sorry I’m not a full-tilt Right Wing propagandists or a potty trained pet.
thor —
How about addressing the point that Clark’s statement — and what appears to be shaping up as the Dem talking point on the surge — dismisses not only the strategy and diminishes as insignificant the performance of our troops, but it does so while rewriting earlier parts of the Dem’s own narrative, which, if I recall, had something to do with a civil war.
How Iran enters into that I’m not quite sure.
Clark, incidentally, is an embarrassment. I wonder how many soldiers would like to see him walking through an airport these days and spit on him.
And when Obama begins taking up this talking point more frequently, and using Clark to bolster his position, will you still think him that shiny happy thing that Oprah just wants to stuff and bring to bed with her like a giant, magical teddy bear?
Well, definitely not potty trained. Potty mouth, on the other hand …
“It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
–Theodore Roosevelt
So Thor, when will you offer some (any) ananlysis?
thor, your head is so far up the Messiah’s ass if O!bama goes around a corner too quickly, it would break your lower back.
And I’m sure that McCain and Obama appreciate your opinion of them… coming from a racist twatwaffle and all.
HotAir has a great video of Scarborough doing a followup on that Clark visit this morning. I think that was Mickey Kaus who chimed in that he “presses the mute button” whenever Clark makes an appearance because he’s so far in the Obama bag, trying to get himself an appointment as “Postmaster General or some such.”
heh!
Jeff,
Good luck on getting a substantive response from thor. However, he does suck up to you in fear that you might ban him, so perhaps he will make an attempt at it. Otherwise, he will stick with they are “good men,” whatever that means.
It is progress, however, that he admits he is not potty-trained.
Obama: “…At the height of the Cold War, my father decided, like so many others in the forgotten corners of the world…”.
For most of the people of the world, I live in one of those forgotten corners too. They never give us a second thought. How could they, after all? They are too busy trying to stay alive and make a world for their children to be remembering us.
Michael Murphy, BJTexs, not Kaus.
Oprah is also gay.
Wesley Clarke is a half-baked nut job. He’s was the Clinton’s little General. I grant you that.
I also see Barack trying to back peddle from his earlier comments about the surge. As I see it, Obama raised a lot of money from those moveon.org suckers with his anti-war dance and that allowed him to defeat the Shillary money machine. But as I predicted long ago, Barack Obama is a moderate Liberal who will run to the center once his liberal-extremist allies are of no use to him. Watching politicians play politics isn’t always a pretty sight, but both McCain and Obama have to do some of that to win so I accept what I see as part of the game.
If McCain picks Lieberman as Veep and Obama picks Hagle as Veep I actually think would be a hoot. It’s about time moderates and independents take over from the extremist dopes of both parties because these two parties haven’t done shit for America in the last twenty years, except for the welfare reform bill, naturally.
I want out of the two-party death dance. The them or us bullshit is just that. We need action not faux outrage and manufactured hate.
Wesley Clark’s the guy who almost started WWIII in the Balkans. His judgement wasn’t good enough for Bill Clinton, much less me.
It would have made a good Trivia question. Name the two men who started World Wars in the Balkans.
NTTAWWT
Thanks, Sdferr. I haven’t had a chance to go back and watch the video and was going from my early onset dementia memory.
Me and John McCain! United in deterioration!
You know they both sit in the Senate, right? And I’d take Jack Reed over O’Bambi in a hot minute.
We need action not faux outrage and manufactured hate and also we need nuclear power plants and oil wells. I’m building a new computer and it’s gonna need a lot more power than the old one. Cause of the quad-thingy mostly I think.
#7 karl:
You know you are hitting home when thor shows up.
Keep up the good work.
Putting Obama and Hagel together on a ticket comes dangerously close to achieving an explosively critical mass of stupidity, don’t you think?
Boom!
And you have two dumbasses splattered all over the walls, what a mess.
Obama a fine American?
When he boldly lies about chairing Senate Committees of which he not even a member, and boldly lies about actually attending meetings of the Senate Committee of which he is a member?
Obama is certainly not “fine” because he is dishonest about his total lack of achievements, lying to try and cover the lack. He also insults America because he believes we citizens are credulous nincompoops.
Only the Germans, easily misled by golden-tongued collectivists, and native Obama supporters are that naive. I pray they will be in the minority come November.
And you have your head way up in Tom Delay’s urinary tract… duhhhhh. Shad’up, effen dufus.
Actually, thor and nishi provide a service of some value which we should appreciate.
The leftoids’ standard tactic is to put together focus sessions and brainstorming until they come up with a useful lie — one containing some nugget or germ of truth, upon which a magnificent edifice of dissembling, misconception, and flat falsehood can be erected. They then tell that lie in a public place and wait for responses.
When challenged, they repeat the lie.
When challenged further, they lie louder and with (carefully thought out beforehand) variations.
When refuted, they talk about something else until the noise dies down. Then they start over, telling the lie in its original form. Rinse and repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.
Thor and nishi bring that here. It means we only have to deal with one or two trolls, instead of wading through the feces at DU, MoveOn, and Kos, for which I, for one, thank them. We can easily know which lie the leftoids are pushing at any given moment, with much less aggravation and expense than subscribing to The New York Times requires.
Regards,
Ric
True dat, Ric.
Fuck dat, Ric.
I want out of the two-party death dance. The them or us bullshit is just that.
OMG, it is the “come together” mantra of the Obamamania! It is the denial of the human nature so masterfully contained in the Constitution that has prevented a single ideologue from seizing power in our short history.
It is a denial of the reality of our nature, and the asserion of the mystical healing power of Thor’s object of political adoration: the mighty Obama! Hail to his charisma!
Obama will bring all together! Obama will end the chaos of politics! Obama will bring love and peace to the earth! The Germans have said so! Thor has said so! Kos has said so! Obama has said so!
thor: Of course they are both good men. I can’t reemember anyone running for president in the last 40 years who was a “bad” man, whatever that means. (Not even Nixon, heh!)
I appreciate a substantive answer but it really doesn’t answer anything other than to say, “they have to be better than the crapholes we have in Congress!”
Even though both candidates serve in congress.
The “good” or “bad” tags don’t work nor do they apply to Karl’s posts. We are here to examine the principles, policies, words and backgrounds of the candidates. It seems as though you would prefer that we not and get all huffy when it’s done (and quite well I would add.) Also we aren’t supposed to hold fast to certain political principles if they don’t meet the “moderate” or “center” or “independent” fry test.
Again, whatever the hell that means.
You just seem royaly pissed off at everyone who has anything to do with politics. Perhaps you should take some time off and gain some perspective. None of us are going to change in terms of our beliefs and political principles to suit you and why should we?
I’m not going to vote for Obama, not because he’s a bad, scary black man but because I’ve examined who he is and I have found him wanting on a variety of levels vis a vis my stated principles. I tend to find McCain wanting on several levels as well but there is a better than even chance right now I’ll vote for him.
Nothing personal. Just politics.
thor, a person with your obvious lack of intelligence/reasoning skills shouldn’t be flinging the “dufus” lable about. Pot, kettle, and all that…
And any time your feeling froggy and want to shut me up…
“Don’t just sing it, Chico… Bring it.”
Obama: “…Look at Berlin…” Quoted from the 1948 mayor of Berlin, then repeated in the speech by Obama 5 times more.
My translation: “Don’t look at the success occurring now in Iraq”
It would be cool if we could just ignore the lie, just like it would be cool if we could ignore the crazy homeless guy with the knife on the walk to the metro. Sadly, ignoring either leads to bad ends.
So true Ric. That German Joey-G with the Ph.D. back in the 30’s knew what he was talking about.
Here I’m a one-man uber-Right-Winger ball kick machine. On DKos I’d be a uber-Right-Wing punching bag, but I don’t post there, ya see, because I think 90% of ’em over there are weenies and freaks.
It’s all in the perspective of the beholder.
The Obama will soothe your dissdence, BJ. Don’t you get it? Feel the charisma, man! Remember: “The them or us bullshit is just that.” Obama will touch you and heal division and all will be whole and healed and one and at peace and two chickens in every pot with alternative meat substitutes available as necessary with laundry done and people who hate us because we are prosperous will love us because Obama will make it so and why can’t you believe, man, because then somehow Obama will set matters to make even Joooooos lovable.
Given your “perspective,” thor… how is Obama’s rectum and colon health?
You hit the target dead center Ric; I know this because thor directed his “comments” to you.
There is a slight disagreement here, Karl
http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/24/not-sure-mccain-understands-much-at-all/
Obama: “…Look at Berlin, where Germans and Americans learned to work together and trust each other less than three years after facing each other on the field of battle. …”
Don’t look at the Americans and Iraqis who are learning to work together and trust each other less than ONE year after facing each other on the field of battle.
To be fair, the word Iraqi appears twice in the speech three-quarters of the way through, in the midst of 14 repetitions of “this is the moment”(s).
Obama: “…This is the moment we must help answer the call for a new dawn in the Middle East. My country must stand with yours and with Europe in sending a direct message to Iran that it must abandon its nuclear ambitions. We must support the Lebanese who have marched and bled for democracy, and the Israelis and Palestinians who seek a secure and lasting peace. And despite past differences, this is the moment when the world should support the millions of Iraqis who seek to rebuild their lives, even as we pass responsibility to the Iraqi government and finally bring this war to a close. …”
Kinda like a footnote to the rest of the Middle East. Kinda not like the treatment the US accorded Germany and the rest of Europe after 1945 and up to the present day.
It appears that thor has nothing substantive to say about the dKos people either. Shocka, though it does explain thor’s admiration for two candidates who got nominated mostly on the myth that they can fundamentally change how politics has worked since the dawn of politics.
sashal,
Larison is merely parroting the points I have now refuted twice, in some detail. If you can’t be bothered to understand not only the underlying facts, but the way in which McCain could use them to club his rivals, I really can’t help you.
I would add, however, that given your prior position in favoring proxy wars, I would have thought you might grasp that we have been covertly working with the Sunni tribes against AQ for years to produce the current results.
Feeling “froggy?” Hey now, aren’t you the hip cat. Go shut your wing-hole and settle yourself in a Lazy Boy armchair with your good book and a tall glass of cyanide, effen goof.
Is this Larison guy is a Buchanan confrere? I don’t know him, though I’ve seen his name mentioned around. Maybe by nishi, don’t remember.
Sod off, sashal, or I’ll sic some neo-cons on you.
Karl – sashal ignores that which does not fit within Teh Narrative (TM)
The world must be a truly scary place for you guys, judging by the blind idiocy on display here. It’s all so confusing to be proven so very wrong, told your ideas are worthless, and have your thought leaders shunned and humiliated by the American public. It’s scary for us as well, I tell you. Environments like this lead to domestic strife. Don’t go too overboard, children.
The world must be a truly scary place for you guys, judging by the blind idiocy on display here. It’s all so confusing to be proven so very wrong, told your ideas are worthless, and have your thought leaders shunned and humiliated by the American public. It’s scary for us as well, I tell you. Environments like this lead to domestic strife. Don’t go too overboard, children.
Nope. Being on the side of the truth is never scary, douchebag.
But you are a hoot.
Racist
“I would have thought you might grasp that we have been covertly working with the Sunni tribes against AQ for years to produce the current results.”
But Karl, sasha hates BUUUUUUUSSSSSHHHHHH!!!!eleventy11!!!! so grasping that is anathema to his hate.
Hoot, heet by any other name? Now, expound on the whole “being proven so very wrong” thing?
The world must be a truly scary place for you guys, judging by the blind idiocy on display here. It’s all so confusing to be proven so very wrong, told your ideas are worthless, and have your thought leaders shunned and humiliated by the American public. It’s scary for us as well, I tell you. Environments like this lead to domestic strife. Don’t go too overboard, children.
How mature. Glad you drove by. You could’ve just answered “plenty”.
wait! wait! hoot!!! What were we wrong about?
Ah hoot does your enlightened brilliance know any limits?
yes, Karl.
And what Larison says-the actual surge -the increase in the number of troops, for which McCain rightfully can claim credit as a supporter, has happened after the Anbar awakening started and after other proxi things you were mentioning which started way before the surge was even announced…
It was brilliant tactic of American troops and general McFadden btw, to coerce sunni tribes for cooperation and getting them into alliance to fight AQ, but it has nothing to do with the things McCain is trying to get credit for..
hoot hoot! Are you signing up for the AP classes next year or will that distract from driver’s ed and prom committee?
sashal is a paleocon/libertarian, guys. He’s no leftist, he’s just uber obsessed with isolationism.
Rob , and don’t forget to call for bolsheviks too, their brethren
Your propaganda is so steeped in scholarship, KK, that I predict you’ll soon be selling timeshares here in SoFlo if you keep up the hard work. Repeat after me, “only 48-units at the beautiful Dullard-Savant Retirement Village are left, Sir, can you send me a money order today to hold your unit?”
I pay more attention to the fine print on my Budweiser bottles than your banal R-wing regurgitates.
Wait a minute! hoot! I’m fascinated by your views and would like to subscribe to your newsletter!! hoot!
PLEEEEEEEZE!!!
except that McCain saw it was working there and said, “Hey! let’s apply that all over Iraq.” while O! said, “nope, not gonna work.”
Here I’m a one-man uber-Right-Winger ball kick machine.
You forgot “legged.”
I follow Woodsy the Owl’s advice: Give a hoot, don’t pollute!
And yet you have a whole lot of nothing to say about about that which fascinates you less than beer bottle labels.
You are an enigma wrapped up in an illusion getting an enema.
But that doesn’t make you “bad.”
Thank you BJ. You’re not too “bad” yourself.
Obama: “…Look at Berlin, where Germans and Americans learned to work together and trust each other less than three years after facing each other on the field of battle. …â€Â
Well, they were pretty eager to get along after they found out everybody wanted to kill them and we were only going to treat them like shit.
Budweiser? That’s a foreign beer.
BJTex, as a favor, can you restrain next time from using the word “uber”
I hurts my ears. LOL
Or I will have to complain to Ruffini about it….
BJ at #66. Yes, he is and their BDS is every bit as breathtaking as the leftards. I read taki from time to time, as I agree with a good deal of his stuff, but some of the commenters there (and Justin Raimondo (sp?)) are just simple isolationist dumbfucks that are more than a little confused about Islamism. To get a different view of that same mindset, go to amnation.com/vfr. Lawrence Auster loathes Bush’s foreign policy, too, but is not quite as juvenile as those losers. It makes it much more palatable.
Beachwood aging doesn’t seem to help your disposition much.
Yes. Lash out, that’ll make you feel better. Wait, I’ve just felt a great disturbance in the force. It’s as if dozens of voices cried out in hubris and were suddenly cheetoed.
Fucking racists.
Jingoistic homophobes too.
And misogynists. And misanthropes.
Karl. Thanks for your efforts. But you presume lefties don’t already know this stuff. They do. They just hope to find some of the terminally gullible to buy their lines.
They just hope to find some of the terminally gullible to buy their lines.
Like kids at the local school. Alot of ’em figure it out and hate Libs for the rest of their lives after.
Salient zinger. Propers for dat.
Sashal,
One thing to be exceedingly careful about in terms of any sort of strategic assessment or examination of military conflict is the correlation/causation problem. In very, very, very, very VERY few instances is an specific outcome inextricably linked to or distinct from a given input. Somethings weigh in more heavily, but nothing is absolute.
To make the assertion that the Surge had nothing to do with anything is also to suppose that the Anbar awakening would have swept across the country regardless of what else had happened, which is prima facie silly. Moreover, to get so monocausal as to assert that the Anbar Awakening had nothing to do with the US would be to completely throw the Peshmerga under the bus.
So you can argue about proximate causes and how closely things were linked, but to say that it had no influence at all is a much, much bigger statement than I think you – or really anyone else – can back up, absent a major effort of detailed scholarship.
Respectfully,
BRD
I should also say that Lawrence Auster does get the threat of Islamism. It’s just that his solutions are a little extreme.
sashal:
1) Whatever the timeline we can all agree that Obama not only said it wouldn’t work and said that it “might make things worse” he also introduced a bill designed to sabotage thre entire effort.
2) You and other are reaching for semantical horse collars. Of course the “groundwork” for the Anwar Awakening was going on well before the actual troop surge was a reality. McCain’s point, lost on Larison and everybody else beating on this molehill, is that there would have been no sustainability of that Awakening or of Security in Baghdad without the presence and aggressive posture of US troops. That allowed the Awakening to flourish and succeed. It also allowed the lessons being learned to be utilized in other provinces. No security guarentees backed by US troops? No long term Awakening.
3) Really, this is playing into the idea being put forth by the likes of Clark, Obama, Pelosi and others that US Military and governmental doctrine had little to do with the success of the last 12 months. It was Saudi money or Iranian deference or Maliki trying to get tough. That is all a big, heaping plate of craptastic lies because none of it works unless someone guarantees the security! To try and belittle this is a deadly insult to our troops.
4) Quibbling about timelines while Obama travels to 57 states, thinks Israel’s best friend is Israel, thinks Arabic is spoken in Afghanistan and still thinks that the very same timetable he was shouting about in January of 2007 still has heft today is nothing more than a David Copperfield sized attempt at misdirection from a candidate who is little more than an empty suit.
sashal,
The point that both you and Larison are missing is that the casual voter is going to come to the conclusion that McCain has been consistently supporting the troops and the counter-insurgency writ large, while Obama and his supporters are trying to downplay what our troops have done throughout. Buy yourself some more rope.
If he’s a “paleocon/libertarian”, then why is he so fascinated with finding the “right amount” of socialism? That doesn’t strike me as fitting with either.
I think he’s just a brainless twat. Much like nishi, he’s found his position, and now he’s desperately hunting for evidence to support it. If he has to make up that evidence, or ignore quite a bit of other evidence, then so be it. Look at his idiotic “neocons == Bolshevists” line; it’s pure crap based on ignoring both motives and outcomes. Hell, the other day he whined about both groups wanting to “change the world”, and he’s been a supporter of a candidate with a platform that’s 50% “change”.
His intellectual dishonesty is breath-taking; look at his attitude towards Goldberg’s book and his blunt refusal to even read it.
His only value is as a chew-toy.
BJ 85
I do not care about points 3 and 4.
I do see your good reasoning in points 1 and 2
Obama says, these here are your boogeymen: “…As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya. …”
Oy, Cars! Factories! Awful! There has never before been drought. Those coastlines you’ve seen this summer, same as last summer, you failed to notice they are shrinking. Horrors!
The USA Today has an opinion piece wondering why Senator Obama can’t just come out and admit the surge worked. It’s pretty obvious that he can’t do that because he spent hours explaining how it would be a failure and voting against it. He’d basically be highlighting his gross ignorance and lack of qualification for the job he’s applied for.
Nothing succeeds like success in America. You can make a lot of mistakes, you can stumble and do foolish stuff, but if you win, that absolves you of all the failures before. Pull it off, and all is forgiven, and that’s Senator Obama’s basic problem. We won, and that hurts him more than anything else.
Not just him, the Democrats and their friends in the legacy media. They were banking on, counting on, hoping for failure, misery, and loss in Iraq. They failed and were proven wrong. That’s what they face now: the surge was so successful, Iraq has become so pacified that they cannot deny it any more. Even idiot attempts like Wesley Clark’s “Saudis and Iranians did it” sound like the rantings of a frothing lunatic.
This is their worst nightmare: it worked. The American people see it, like it, and remember who was on what side.
The Democratic Party spent four years trying to undermine the President by betraying the soldiers in Iraq. Their continual efforts and rhetoric emboldened the bad guys, gave the terrorists morale, helped them with fundraising, and resulted in dead Iraqis and coalition soldiers. What they did isn’t just unforgivable, it demands retribution: no more power for Democrats until they apologize and prove they won’t do that again. For them, political power trumped all other concerns, particularly the lives of young men and women fighting for them overseas. What they did was repugnant in a way I didn’t believe was possible for a political party to stoop to. Now I know: we all know. And in the forefront of them was Senator Obama.
Now, despite being grossly unqualified, he wants the job of the president of the USA, despite this.
What the media and the Democratic Party fears most is that Americans will ride a crest of success and triumph into the white house carrying one of the people who backed it and worked for it the most on their shoulders.
Hmmm…
Sashal:
Yeah, we know.
To try and belittle this is a deadly insult to our troops.
Yes. But its source is maybe the cliche about democracy on the points of bayonets. I’m not saying they’ve a point, only that they’ve a blindspot because they don’t know shit about the military or military operations, so they cannot conceive of the military playing a positive role in anything.
This is fantastic. I wholeheartedly approve of you perseverating on the surge. It keeps this incredibly unpopular war tied to the idiots who botched it from the beginning. Genius.
Yo Proggie so dumb she watches “The Three Stooges” and takes notes.
Yo Proggie so dumb, she thinks Johnny Cash is a pay toilet!
Yo Proggie so dumb when your dad said it was chilly outside, she ran outside with a spoon.
Ha Cha Cha Cha… I got a million of ’em..
“(and Justin Raimondo (sp?))”
yes, you misspelled it. it’s D E N N I S
This is fantastic. I wholeheartedly approve of you perseverating on the surge. It keeps this incredibly unpopular war tied to the idiots who botched it from the beginning. Genius.
Yup. Die brown people. That is your position. Screw ’em. Outside of carping from the sidelines, the likes of Hootie have yet to offer one substantive proposal, except to surrender as soon as possible, and even when they elected Dems to control Congress, they still could not do it.
ah. so much more important to be cool than correct. okay. have fun with all your “friends”
For hoot, winning this next election is winning the “war”.
Sdferr #89: Great! Al Gore with a tan. The shear mindlessness and seperation from facts of that stuff just gives me a headache.
“Feeling “froggy?†Hey now, aren’t you the hip cat.”
Only compared to some.
“Go shut your wing-hole and settle yourself in a Lazy Boy armchair with your good book and a tall glass of cyanide, effen goof.”
Shut me up, douchenozzle.
Or don’t you have the stones?
Of course the really uber-progressive talking point should be it was Al Qaeda’s killing of civilians that lead to the Anbar Awakening, but that’d just show the American public which side they’ve truly been rooting for. Nuance
Besides, they just spent the last couple of years proclaiming that Al Qaeda wasn’t in Iraq & the War in Iraq was lost…
Hey hoot you mentally defected bed-shitting little twat-knocker why dont you shove a broken bottle up your rancid little mancooch and get the best F you’ll ever get in your pathetic little excuse for a life you worthless little shit-for-brains virgin dork? Just a suggestion is all.
Let the anger flow through you. Feel the power!
OT: Lots of stuff coming out now about Afghanistan being a narco-State. Totally knew it was, but Teh Narrative is a-changin’, gang.
JD- I thought we were golfing with Alppu today.
Catchy, provocative and original, there hoot. Toot us out another lancing queef why don’tcha?
that’s the 31st, MayBee.
I have no life.
maybe hoot could help me out with that. I hear Star War is popular.
It keeps this incredibly unpopular war
We were, like, all over Obama’s Facebook, posting “OMG! This war is, like, so-so lame-o! If this war thinks I’m going to the prom with it, it’s dreaming, yo. ;-) “
*sigh* my typing is going downhill…
It’s amusing to see this group of lockstep partisan hacks suggest I’m an Obamaphile. Amusing. And sad.
Does “…The genocide in Darfur shames the conscience of us all. …” ring true to you, fellow genocidaires?
ah. so much more important to be cool than correct.
That’s what Senator Obama’s entire presidential campaign is counting on.
What’s hilarious is that when the war was incredibly popular, the same guys were standing on principle shaking their fist at the American Public. Now they want to position themselves as the everyman.
Nobody has really suggested that you’re anything other than a laughable loser who spends most of his time sobbing that the 10th grade girls aren’t impressed by members of the roleplay gaming club. But I’m sure your braces will come off soon.
ha ha ha ha ha, maggie!
somewhere yesterday I heard a clip of him saying something about “this person is going to call on you so I don’t have to make the decision(or something like that” but what stuck out was he wrapped that up with “because I want you guys to like me”
yep. you will like him!
Chris Taylor,
What the fuck? Who was correct about the war, then? Certainly not McCain. And no you, I’m going to go ahead and guess. Self delusion is a disease, people. Please, when you self medicate, stay off the roads.
The group, not so much. Only two posts that I count actually tie you to Obama. One ties you to the Dems in general. The rest merely mock.
I get the impression that hoot is all water and no vinegar.
Can you hear it, hoot? It’s coming. Can you hear it?
It wasn’t long ago, was it? You and your friends sitting around sipping milkshakes and laughing about what a disaster Iraq was and all you needed was a decent candidate and they’s walk into the White House You remember? Laughing at the Bush Chimpy pictures, trading Che T-Shirts and spilling the bong water on your Mom’s old sofa?
Good times…
Then came Obams. Holy crap, this guy is a “real” leftist but looks and speaks like a mainstream candidate. HE’S EVEN BLACK TO BOOT! It was like making a down payment on a 2.5 acre plot of political nirvana, wasn’t it? Shiny candidate, stupid president, economy tanking, quagmire in process. the death of the hated conservative Re’Thuglican Wingnuts and all of their warmongering principles.
Life was beautiful, wasn’t it?
But now … now… can you hear it? Listen closely. That is the sound of military success in Iraq. NO! NO! This can’t be! How could that dumass godbothering warcriminal pull this off? How?
And then it got worse.
Then the hopey shiney candidate suddenly didn’t sound like much of a liberal leftist anymore. Suddenly he’s blowing off campaign financing, voting for FISA, and talking about “flexibility” in Iraq and, no, it can’t be, MORE TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN.
Suddenly, your candidate sounds like … gasp … McSame!
Can you hear it, hoot. That sound, like a murmering in the background? Can you hear it? It’s coming closer.
It’s the sound of all of those bitter, clingy voters figuring out that the democrats have screwed them on energy and sold them a bill of goods on victory in Iraq. They’re going to vote come November and they’re going to know who was for American victory and who … wasn’t.
Can you hear it yet, hoot? It’s the sound of doooooom.
It is the sound of inevitability. Appropriate for one who presumes to be The One.
118. More like a dry-heave after finally getting invited to that way super cool lacrosse team captain’s party when his parents were away and having too many MIlwaukee’s Best Lite cans. Or white wine spritzers.
Of course, Karl, you recognized immediately where my inspiration came from. I had Hugo’s voice in my head the whole time I was typing. ;-)
Nobody has really suggested that you’re anything other than a laughable loser who spends most of his time sobbing that the 10th grade girls aren’t impressed by members of the roleplay gaming club
I know it crushed my young heart.
Who was correct about the war, then? Certainly not McCain.
President Bush. McCain had it right, mostly. Clearly you’re not correct about the war: you still think it was a failure.
bergerbilder: “I get the impression that hoot is all water and no vinegar.”
Not merely a douche, but a weak, ineffective douche to boot?
We have really gone off the deep end, fellas. It is easy to believe the war was a smashing success when it is imperative that it MUST BE A SUCCESS. Otherwise, no. It is a failure. The American people think it was a failure. Tell me, do they also hate America, these American people? Do they all wear Che shirts? They must! A wingnut dead-ender told me so!
Hey Thor, some of us Bambiites are getting together next month in DC to get hammered (and possibly talk about getting more involved in the O-Smoove campaign, but that is totally secondary to the beer consumption part). I don’t know if you are in the area, but if you are drop me a line at voteyourintellectATgmail.com.
Hi PWers.
by what metric? please provide sources. show your work, blah, blah, blah.
Again, I have to reiterate : BJTexas has left us and gone to a place of complete self delusion. A place where the Iraq war was a success and Obama is McCain. We’ll see what the voters think, eh bucko?
Lisa,
thor just mentioned So FL, but I don’t think he knows many women, so he may take you up on it.
maggie, don’t be an idiot.
Hi Lisa (waving hand fondly).
you first hoot. by what metric have you decided the war is a failure?
maggie, don’t be an idiot.
Don’t worry, hoot, she isn’t any real competition.
hoot — if it is so obviously a failure, then it shouldn’t be that difficult to support your contention, no bootstrap levitation necessary. Simply chanting the same talking points repeatedly doesn’t make it so.
no thanks, not interested in getting into a political debate with delusional hacks who can dream up fifty ways to love the GOP AND hate the Dems before breakfast. It isn’t healthy.
BWAH HA HA HA HAAaaaa! so you’ve got nothing, hoot. thanks.
oh, and nice of you to assume we all love the GOP. consider me amused
;D
hoot: try this. What if you’re wrong? What if all the things you are so certain about aren’t correct, what if that nagging feeling inside you that something isn’t quite right is telling you the truth? Why not check it out and see? Why not look and find out the facts, why not investigate, try to find out for yourself? You’re clearly on the internet. You have access to the world’s biggest database of information: challenge yourself.
What’s the worst that could happen?
oh, and I forgot. saddened. I’m saddened.
*snort*
ok, ok no, I’m laughing.
So in other words, hoot, you’re the juvenile spineless intellectual midget that everyone is mocking you as. You hide behind your cheap unfounded assertions, invoke “the American people say it so it must be true”, use all-encompassing terms like “failure” and slither away like the pussy that you are when someone challenges you to back up your assertions with facts. Wow man, you’re fucking brilliant.
hoot: “no thanks, not interested in getting into a political debate with delusional hacks who can dream up fifty ways to love the GOP AND hate the Dems before breakfast. It isn’t healthy.”
In other words, you’re all bluster and no facts, just a loud narcissistic ignoramus incapable of making even a token argument in support of their thesis.
Truth is, were you paying attention you’ld notice many of the people commenting here neither love the gop nor hate democrats. But if political debate isn’t your thing, have a popsicle.
Facts. Truth. You don’t really know what those are, do you?
“have a popsicle” — preferably a stainless steel one that has the initials S&W on the side.
Yawn. It’s getting kinda hatey in here, don’t ya think? My buttcrack is sweating a little.
Hee! Hee!
Can you hear it, hoot? Does it make you sweat? Four more years of Cowboy Diplomacy? Drilling rigs in ANWAR, The Arctic and all along the coasts? Victory in Iraq, a stable democracy in the M.E.?
Can you hear it, hoot? You’re not paranoid if they’re really out to get ya, ya know?
Heh!
hoot: “Facts. Truth. You don’t really know what those are, do you?”
Facts. Truth. You really don’t have any in support of your argument, do you?
– Hoot is amazed. Time for a group hug and Kumbaya sing along.
Sure, BJ. They sure are. Keep on laughing, tough guy!
hoot …
NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS!! AAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!
How was that, maggie?
Another one bites the dust!!
I BELIEVE! BJTEXS1!!!
Christopher Taylor,
That was a mighty nice speech. I do investigate, read, whatnot. I just don’t bother to argue with people like yourself on the internet. Don’t worry, though. I probably wouldn’t argue with you in real life, either. I’d avoid you.
just please don’t ask for hoot to prove it. hoot knows stuff.
There’s the door, hootie.
Say “hi” to the blowfish when you see them…
I just come to be batted around like a ball of yarn. thank, hoot, thank you for your comedic releif.
Oh no, hoot. It is you that is tough. Tough to stand up to the slings and arrows of outragious dismay.
Your lefty candidate supports Telecom Immunity!
HAHAHAHA!
Oh wait, he wants more troops for Afghanistan and flexibility of withdrawal; in Iraq!
BWAAAA HAHAHA! *wipes tears*
And … and … and … What happened to Public Campaign Financing.
BWAAAA HAHAHAHA *gasp* *choke* *sniffle*
Oh man, I nearly passed out from mirth.
Can you hear it hoot? You are the tough guy, having to weather all of those disappointments. I SALUTE YOU!
(heh)
hoot, I’m sorta on the fence about the Iraq War. What would you say is the best place to find out one way or another (online)?
just please don’t ask for hoot to prove it. hoot knows stuff.
ROTFLMAO! What a goon this guy is, Is he new or just a new name for one of the regular proggs?
He has a certain “heet” signature, if you catch my drift.
There’s a proggdouche on a forum that I frequent that sounds sorta like ol hootie…
But he’s not mispelling enough one-syllable words to be him.
Yes, hoot, I too wish to be educated by someone who reads and investigates. Please, share with the rubes and right-wingers here, the unwashed knuckledragging rethuglican neocon warmongers the list of the last three really good, quality, important books of history/political science/economics/military tactics for example that you read that makes you the enlightened genius that you are. Please help us, our ignorant souls need cleansing.
BJTexas, glad you take so much joy out of being a mindless hack who lives to hate Obama. You will be oh so furious when he wins, you know. That’ll be a long night for you, amigo. “Why? We WON in Iraq! (sniff) mmmmggrh..war hero…mmmmmm…negro…grhhh…grrhhh… Raaaaarrrgghhhh!” you’ll shout at your cats. Long night.
SUBJECT CHANGE!
Caric’s Cat was unavailable for comment…..
Well, Jack, glad you asked. You can start by reading the internet. It’s a huge database of stuff, and, uh, data. You know, at your fingertips. Chris Taylor told me about it, actually. Go ask him.
these are not the sources you are looking for.
Next, some little girl will be telling is that there is no
spoonsurge.you don’t need to see my papers.
hoot: Listen carefully.
you know when you’re down in your parent’s basement, passing the bong around with all of your fellow “know things” commentariat? The fourth or fifth time you blow you start to notice purplish/pink spider monkeys swinging around the room. And … and they’re silent, no screeching at all. Except that each one is farting a song from Rage Against the Machine’s last album. You remember that?
Well, slappy, they’re not real. FREE MUMIA!!11!!
I want book titles.
TEH INTRARNET-TUBES!!!
ZOUNDS!!
Oh but BJ that Zack de la Rocha man he fuckin’ sticks it to the fuckin’ system dude!
…you’ll shout at your cats.
wtf?
– No really…really, we want the Lefturds to keep gnawing on this bone. Inside is a fully functional stick of Dow chemicals very best TNT.
– So we don’t want to discourage them. They painted themselves into this tiny surrender-monkey corner, doing everything they could to see us lose.
– Now we want to be sure to let the Marxist bastards enjoy every minute of the fruits of their treachery.
– Enjoy barking moonbats, enjoy.
Interesting, hoot. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Hootie’s Newsletter = internet
SEE??!?!!!
Well you know, Hoodlumman, he read them on the internet after all.
hoot I don’t want you to debate with me. I want you to question yourself; that’s how I got where I am. I looked around and asked “Are the things I assume are true really true? Is the conventional wisdom really accurate? Are my friends right? Are the sources I trust and agree with trustworthy and accurate?” Everyone can benefit from this. I challenge you to do so yourself.
The reason I say this is because you give every evidence of being someone who spits on those who disagree, assumes the worst in those who have a different viewpoint, and refuse to consider any alternatives. That’s just not healthy, young man.
I’m allergic to cats… and spider monkeys … and SHINY HOPE AND CHANGE!!!
Come on, hoot edumacate me! How do you feeeeel about Obama voting for Telecom immunioty and the FISA bill? How about flexibility in troop withdrawals from the quagmire?
eye seak noludge, woo7
BJ, you have a very active imagination. Scenes appear to you, hazy, with characters talking, hating George Bush, wearing Che shirts, listening to music, smoking weed. Perhaps you wish you were there, or had been there once. Or, perhaps you are projecting and YOU are actually spending too much time smoking weed and talking politics in a basement. Nah, requires friends and social skills and can’t be done on the internet. I don’t see it happening for you.
You any relation to a dude named Chuck Adkins, hoot?
Chet Atkins, maybe….
Chris – seriously. Are you are you lecturing me on hating those who disagree with me? C’mon, chum. Have some self awareness. Or at least read the little piece of shit blog we are communicating with.
Did he just call Chris “chum?”
He must have found that word on the internet…
Budweiser? That’s a foreign beer.
[Homer Simpson voice]: Mmmmmmm BL (Bud Light) Lime
Buh – bye, hoot!
It’s been a … no I won’t … OK … HOOT!
I slay myself.
– “I don’t see it happening for you.”
– Oh but I see it happening for you and the rest of your gaggle of braindead moonies hoot.
– Well, maybe not “for” as much as “to”.
– Did you get a tingle up your leg when the Obamassiah said he was “for” the “right to bear arms” decision? Was that a Kodak moment for you?
– Listen carefully hoots. Hear that sound, whats comin’ around, better stop, listen, to whats goin’ down.
– Bwahahahahaha – Beckle is on FOX right now and they’re discussing this bery subject, and he looks like someone just ran over his favorite cat…..
hoot you are without a doubt the dimmest progg that has come around since I’ve been lurking here for a couple of years, hell even the other proggs (which always come to each others defense) aren’t joining in on your side. Not that anything you have said has any substance but.
Or at least read the little piece of shit blog we are communicating with.
I’ll tell you right now its you that should read what’s on this blog because you the equivalent of a wee wabbit in a wolf den on this blog.
It’s not hard, hoot. I’ll explain it as plainly as possible. An assertion requires a modicum of supporting evidence to be brought into debate. You assert that the war is lost, and begin to dissemble whenever it is asked of you to provide supporting evidence. I assert that you are in fact the result of the amorous pairing of a not particularly hygenic muskrat and a lawnchair.
We both have equal amounts of evidence, but mine is a funnier mental image.
“You guys suck!”
“- What the hell is that?”
” – A hat.”
“Take off the hat.”
“- No.”
” – Take it off.”
“Look, you come in here lookin’ like the white artist formerly known as Prince.”
“- Listen, here, Hootie.”
” – Hootie? You look like LeStat.”
~Can’t Hardly Wait~
You guys sure do laugh and shout an awful lot (“Bwahahaha!” “hee hee” “SHINY HOPE AND CHANGE!!!”). It’s almost like a sad party with a bunch of drunk people who want to tell you how right they are about the aliens and MK Ultra. And show off their collection of hunting bows.
A wolf’s den? That shit right there is funny.
Let me guess, PETA member?
Hadlow… I was thinking more along the lines of a mangy marmot and a moss covered rock, but yours works, too.
Of course, I apologize profusely to all the mangy marmots I just insulted…
.. along with the moss covered rocks that also took offense.
Look, if you guys were shown evidence contrary to your own insane pet theories of how the war is a fantastic success and GWB is the bestest president ever, you’d ignore it and wipe it on your overalls. Thus, I will not be showing you how fucking wrong you are in every way today. It isn’t worth the time.
Otherwise, no. It is a failure. The American people think it was a failure.
Ummmmm, you do realize that objective truths are not a matter for public opinion polls to decide, right? Right? I mean, you’ve seen “So You Think You’re Smarter Than A Fifth Grader,” right? What the American people think is more funny than it is poignant. Like, the American people think reality TV is awesome.
But we can play along: The American people think Obama is a closet Muslim, so he is one! The American people think Iraq is located next to China, so it is! The American people think Saddam did 9/11, so he did!
It’s so simple! Requires none of that tiring thinking!
Sucks when loud, shouting drunks on the internet STILL bring more to the table regarding arguements and facts than you do, hootie.
hoot can tell time!
of course he can! its in the header on all of his posts…
… ON THE INTERNET!
But hoot also knows what time is worth! That’s impressive!
Pfft, I could totally beat the crap out of that guy over there, but I just washed this here handkerchief, and wouldn’t want to get his blood all over it.
Shit, is he coming this way?
Y’all didn’t take me seriously on 167, but I’m telling ya, soon someone is going to assert that there was no surge, so how could it possibly have worked? My guess is Gen. Wesley Clark.
But please, tell me more about how I need evidence to prove proteinwisdom is full of crazy hacks. It is helpful.
You made the assertion(s), twatwaffle.
If your not smart enough to prove what you post, maybe the intrwebs is not the place for you.
Guys, 9/11 was an inside job, but I’m not going to offer up any proof because it would slow down the rate in which I refresh this page and continue posting. Plus ur dumb.
no.. ur dumberer
I thought the Iraq War was very nice. We killed many terrorists people and also gave hope to many people who had never known freedom. And we did it with panache, mostly. Except for some people were kind of whiny.
“Except for some people were kind of whiny.”
Noam Chomsky, Mookie Al Sadr, and most of the douchebags over at Kos…
oh.. and thor and hootie. The blowfish were not available for comment.
– I can just hear him talking to Axel on his cell in the green room….
Axelrod: “Ok Bob….you need to get out there and sell the new line….”the surge had nothing to do with any gans that have been made in Iraq….it was all due to the “Anbar awakening”….you got that?
Beckle: “Listen pardner….I carry the party line as well as anyone, but if you think I’m going in front of a national audience and same something that fucking stupid, you have to be crazier than a junk yard rat.”
Axelrod: “Ok. go ahed and buck me on this, and you’ll see what happens to people that won’t carry “teh party Narrativeâ„¢”….I don’t give a shit how stupid it sounds to you….We’ve got to keep it going, or we’ll get our asses handed to us, and this whole “European tour” thing is a bunch of crap too, so we need good press damnit….”
Beckle: “Alright listen douchenozzle…I’ll do it, but you guys have got to get your shit together, or this guy is off the MagicBusâ„¢.”
Beckle: (Under his breath) “…Friggin Nutroots…”
Whiny happy people. Wasn’t that a song by REM?
Hootie is searching the intrawebnets for more crushing assertions…
~tapping foot patiently~
– All canines are Bolsheviks in sheep’s skin. I should know seeing how I’ve taking to killing and quartering my liberal neighbors’ pets. Furry on the outside and red on inside, every last Lassie.
– Obama should stick to banging his rotten Bolshevik wife and leave America to culturally superior, white Republicans.
– We’ve seen what happened behind the iron curtain. All the women became sluts and the men got brained by the elixir of union wages, vodka and Marx. Lazy whores and even lazier factory workers. Goddamnit we’re plain superior to that existential Red Commie shit. Fuck Obama and his 40-oz brand of Negro Marxism.
– I’ve always been handicapped by my sunny disposition, my cheerful demeanor, my heart being intact and my unsoured life. What a washout this Obama is, his neurotic children are further evidence of his misery.
– I’d like to fly from New York to London to Paris. Whizzing about every city I’d punch people in the face if I thought they were fans of Obama. The weight of my happiness would be unsupportable be the sheer numbers of KO’s under my belt. Faggots.
– Anyone watching Olbermann tonight? The sheer abomination of God-fearing patriotism by a liberal media that allows its viewers to be scarred by that demented wax-headed ogre is a unforgivable and punishable cruelty. I’m well adjusted so I don’t mind Olbercuntt so much, but the pain and suffering that man causes in the life-equations of his viewers, who probably deserve it if they vote Dem, but still we’re talking about the fate of the world being ensnared in a endless slog of unctuous misguided political sufferings.
– Fuck. I wish I had an ox. None of this bogus serf-dramatizing crap for me if I had an ox, and yes, blue would be nice. Instead of a blue ox God gave me a sore throat today. There was also a mildly annoying email in my email box, a broken dishwasher and a bad dream of Nazi internment torture that I’m trying desperately to repress right now.
– I think I need a small break from PW. Maybe for the rest of my life, but, who can really say.
Now that’s what I call a rant! Excelsior! Could’ve used more “faggot”, though.
Honestly, your problems with rage probably come from watching too much cable TV news.
Could’ve used more “faggotâ€Â
Well, now that your back, the faggot level seems just about right.
hoot-
It’s amusing to see this group of lockstep partisan hacks suggest I’m an Obamaphile. Amusing. And sad.
McKinney?
Oh. I see. You guys really are raging homophobes. Thought it was just some ugly stereotype but I guess not. I bet you are also racists, then, too. Yes, I bet you are.
No, on second thought, I KNOW you are racist. I’ve read enough posts here bemoaning the awful way people don’t let you say “nigger” anymore. It’s a tough world out there, eh fellas.
Nope. No racists or homophobes here. Not undenounced ones anyway.
I’m a conservative, so you must already have the full list of stereotypes. Why don’t you list them in a single comment, and get it over with.
Hoot did you ever come on here with the name ProggresiveHero?
ha HA! Look upthread if you are looking for stereotypes. You’ll find all you need in the fever dreams of BBH and BJ. No, I just am reacting to the “faggot” comment. Very revealing… Wonder what else, uh, falls out of the closet.
#223
ya might want ta bone on dat critical thinkin’ stuff you admire so much.yer kinda not evidensin’ any proficiency, dere.
hoot-
It’s almost like a sad party with a bunch of drunk people who want to tell you how right they are about the aliens and MK Ultra.
The only “mkultra” reference I’ve ever seen on a “right-wing” site is just another typical lefist douchebag who’s even more pathetic than you at “Q & O”.
It must suck when your only “compatriots” are ignorant drunks who think the “X-Files” was a documentary.
O Cudlips.
How sad it is that you cannot read.
McCain: I don’t know how you respond to something that is as– such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel McFarlane [phonetic] was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that’s just a matter of history.
video
more video
Classic senior moment, cudlips.
Deal.
[…] More liberal stupidity […]
Karl, this is McCain’s “killer app” and he absolutely funked it.
How could this guy possibly be a good CinC?
How can you justify supporting him?
225: Again, missing the entire point (as usual)
Try #52, nitwit.
Oh, right. He was just being really, really clever when he said that. Sure.
Karl, quit throwin chaff.
McCain had another senior moment.
He’s the lesser evil for you, is all.
You prefer the senior moments to an Obama presidency.
But the senior moments exist.
And they won’t stop.
There is no other plausible explanation for McCain’s gaffes.
What John McCain stated was absolutely true, The surge allowed the Military to protect the Sons of Iraq it also allow more aggressive operations against terrorist target based on information received from Iraqi citizens.
There is no amount of spinning which will change those facts.
I am not missing the point.
You are.
McCain thought at that moment that….”Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that’s just a matter of history.”
It is what he said.
A senior moment, another shortterm memory loss.
That is what happened.
You can live with that in a CinC with his hand on the red phone?
It’s your choice.
McCain is the bestest one is why, quellchrist. His whole life has led him to this moment. He’s a good guy you can tell, and I think he’ll be a very good president until we get a better one. Also Baracky has these weird flashbacks from all the drugs. It’s kind of worrisome. He can’t even remember what he heard in church. It’s too soon for him to be in charge of stuff with like responsibilities and all. Maybe in time he can heal.
Barack Obama surrogate Wesley Clark: Stuck on Stupid…
None of us are strangers to the foolish words that have come out of (Ret) Gen. Wesley Clark’s mouth over the last several years.  During the run up to the 2004 presidential primaries, Clark declared that he was “delighted” to have …
Quellcrist, Hoot,
You can keep the money, but, uhm, quit trying to help. You’re making me look bad. Terrorists can afford to be vicious, evil, perveted, even sort of dumb, but not retarded. Again thanks, I’m sure you tried your best. And we’re as much to blame as you are. We should have looked at your applications more carefully, especially the part about the learning disabilites. So we’ll just part ways here. Go on back over to KOS. I’ll find some competent enablers. Don’t send any of your friends to apply. Thanks.
Nishi, compare that to the Obamessiah who seems to think that the world sprung, fully formed, from the ether for him to fix.
Not a word about Truman — the real prime motivator behind the Berlin Airlift… the gratuitous internationalizing of 9/11 — about 1% (27 individuals) who died were not US citizens, but the Obamessiah, like turning water into whine, internationalized it today. He’s too weak to realistically riff on Kennedy and too far to the left to riff on Reagen. His postering of the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem would suggest his screaming ego-mania has yet to abate.
Do not confuse the media’s love for Obama with reality.
Fletch,
You thought I was being literal with my MKUltra reference. I was not. It was a joke. I’ll try and point them out next time.
Wow, you guys really will believe anything in the service of the GOP.
Nishi: “I am not missing the point. You are.”
A prime example of why “liberal debate” is an oxymoron…
Now, Nishi, do you imagine that Iraq would be sufficiently pacified for the Obamessiah to wander its streets in sartorial splendor, without the need to borrow Hillary’s Bosnian body-armor, were it not for the surge?
no Karl.
ur throwin chaff.
McCain was referrin to the Baghdad surge.
That is crystal clear from the context of the Couric interview.
Just checking in. Did Zarqawi deliver that message to Quellcrist and Hoot? Cuz, they’re sort of becoming a public relations disaster, and frankly running around putting out Obama’s fires is about all our friends in the media have time for right now…
Hoot: “You thought I was being literal with my MKUltra reference. I was not. It was a joke. ”
Jokes, traditionally involve, y’know, humor, hoot.
Hint: If you’re the only one laughing, its probably not a joke.
feets, the senior moments worry me.
senile dementia is no walk on the beach, and it creeps…..it creeps up on one.
“the war is a fantastic success and GWB is the bestest president ever,”
And thus the world’s largest straw man was constructed. Hoot’s a petulant, semi retarded child. Nothing more.
BTW, hoot, faggot doesn’t necessarily mean gay. And I’d be somewhat disappointed if it was meant for that reason, but that’s my problem. However, in your case, I am betting it means an effeminate, afraid of his own shadow, spineless dumbfuck. Yeah, that’s what I’m betting.
nishi,
The Awakening actually grew out of the Anbar Salvation Council, which was originally the Anbar Salvation Front, which grew out of the Jazeera Council. Good luck finding common references to the Awakening before the troop escalation.
Don’t let a little thing like historical fact get in your way. Or perhaps I should assume you’re having an asperger’s moment.
What, bassoon, OI?
Wow, you guys really will believe
anythingtrue facts that the nuthouse proggs never read because its not in the DNC talking points emails in the service of theGOPUSA.Fixed it for you hooter…….
Well, maybe. But for real I don’t think he would be running for the job if he didn’t feel up to it. It’s a character thing. Also, his wife and kids would have shot the whole thing down. I worry a lot more about McCain’s bizarre capping and trading impulses than anything else.
i am not talking about Obama.
im stone positive McCain has briefed on the surge, on Anbar, on the Petraeus/Kilcullen model, and on the Sunni/shi’ia idealogical divide.
but…..he cant always remember. even in interviews with the tape and cameras rollin.
that is the only plausible explanation.
so, is McCain a better presidential candidate given shortterm memory loss than Obama?
your choice.
I mean seriously guys even the folk at USA Today can see through the stuff you’re spinning. So can the Washington Post. So stop helping, really. Not to be too blunt about this, but there is still a chance we can win this election if morons like you will stop talking about Iraq. Okay? Back to the Hope and Changeyness thing. That was sort of the point of today’s speech…and stiffing the injured vets. We need to get the hell off the war thing, understand?
says the goof that can’t even bemember how many Supreme Court Justices there are. and has her own special definition of “secular”.
has been briefed.
Man, nishi, you are like a tape loop. Why so thick, do you think?
because it would be more embarrassing.
really, it’s okay. Obama can’t even remember what he said a couple months ago.
Obama backers in a nutshell.
I saw awoman named Jody Ann Bigby talking about Mass. “universal health care.
And gues what she said?
“We have to spread the misery around “.
Perfect! Absolutely perfect! That is exactly what he proggs are about. Equal misery for all!
or how many states there are in the U.S. or which committees he’s on in Congress.
thought to be fair. on the committee thing, he hasn’t been there very often.
Read this at ThreatsWatch, nishi: http://tinyurl.com/6jwp7h
So quellcrist falconer you agree with Obama about the thousands of citizen from countries all over the world killed on 9/11?
My only hope with guys like hoot is that they remember some small seeds of what they’re told by folks wiser than they and some day it takes root and bears fruit in their minds. Because at present someone like him is unreachably foolish. Someone like Nishi I suspect is insane or at least mentally disabled and it’s like poking a wound to talk to them much.
alright. fine.
Sdferr,
“Man, nishi, you are like a tape loop. Why so thick, do you think?”
It’s the Asperger’s. Years from now, she will be flatulent in a phone booth with Tom Cruise.
Really quellcrist falconer its easy to see why Obama gets confused you know since 9/11 was such a insignificant event in American History.
royf, don’t forget the tens of thousands that died in the Kansas tornadoes last year.
Today’s go-round reminds me of nothing so much as the first time I tried (along with a number of others) to communicate with her about the meaning of some off-hand comment Jonah Goldberg had made on the Corner concerning Darwin and Nazism. It wasn’t a heartening experience.
Elapsed time-three minutes! Shortterm memory loss? You make the call!
Hey I’m from Texas I know all about them twisters, Them folks in Kansas got off lucky. And only Albore knows how bad it will get from here on out.
matoko,
The flaw in your logic is the assumption that increasing the American troop presence would undermine the goal of recruiting local networks by creating a perception that the Anbar sheiks were beholden to the US rather than independent actors. The reality was that the sheiks would in fact be very dependent on us if they decided to take on al Qaeda. I don’t think they were concerned about that perception. The Anbar tribes were concerned that they would challenge al Qaeda only to see the Americans give up and go home, leaving the tribes to get slaughtered like the Shiites who Bush 41 encouraged to rebel against Hussein and then abandoned. The American decision to double-down rather than fold was, I believe, the signal that the Anbar tribes needed to see before they would side with us.
Wichita Falls, Tx. April 2, 1958.
Apparently, the troops don’t like O!:
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/
The American decision to double-down rather than fold was, I believe, the signal that the Anbar tribes needed to see before they would side with us.
As Osama said the Arab like the “strong horse”.
PROCEDURE nishi (void) IS
LIE(current_talking_point);
LABEL LOOP:
IF(challenge(lie)) DO
volume=volume*2;
LIE(currrent_talking_point);
END DO;
END IF;
IF (refute(lie)) DO
volume=volume*3;
LIE(current_talking_point);
END DO;
END IF;
GOTO LOOP;
END.
The reason the leftoids are so desperate is that if they admit that the surged worked the way it actually worked, they will also have to admit that Bush was right from the beginning. Mere twisting of history and fact, however violent, is trivial compared to that.
Regards,
Ric
That is some good funny troot, ol’ fella.
Wow Ric, that is some funny shit! Can I copy it, and email it to my friends?
hoot-
Fletch,
You thought I was being literal with my MKUltra reference. I was not. It was a joke. I’ll try and point them out next time.
So, you are admitting that the political “jokes” live on your side of the aisle?
Okay!
“How can you justify supporting him?”
Barack Obama.
That name scares the crap outta me. Worse than Yog-Sothoth, even.
ah, he’s no Hastur
McCain said–
â€ÂBecause of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that’s just a matter of history.â€Â
you saw the video.
the context was the Baghdad Surge.
He forgot what he was talkin about.
We are not talkin about Obama, random surging in Anbar, we are talking about why McCain said what he said he said.
He forgot.
Just like he forgot the difference between the Shiia and the Sunni immediately before he was to ask Petraeus a question about Al-Qaeda.
He forgot.
Is shortterm memory loss a desirable trait in the CinC?
Keep telling yourself that, falconer. In fact, I encourage you to encourage Barry’s Kids to pursue that line right up through November.
“You see that old man over there? He misspoke about the timing of the hugely successful operation that Obama opposed from the get-go!”
Seriously, falconer. Try to keep your eye on the subject at hand.
it doesn’t bother you in Obama, so I’m guessing the answer is “Yes
we can!it is!”McCain said…..
it[the surge]
began
the Anbar Awakening.
not true.
and all the kings horses and all the kings men cant explain what he said away.
McCain is experiencing shortterm memory loss.
Very probably there are incidents that Team McCain has successfully covered for.
Let me ask this….if McCain is experiencing STML, would he step aside?
It doesn’t get better u know.
there isn’t any cure.
the hell you say!? when did that happen?
the threatswatch article is more obfustication.
the Surge did not “begin” the Anbar Awakening.
It had absolutely nothing to do with Anbar.
It took place IN Baghdad.
Let me ask again.
Reagan agreed to step down if he began showin signs of senilia.
McCain definitely had a another public senior moment.
Have there been private ones?
Obama shows signs of forgetfullness as well, will he agree to step down?
You said “the context was the Baghdad surge”. The words Baghdad surge do not appear in the audio or the transcript. Why do you persist in this false claim? McCain was not forgetting anything. He merely recounted, though with some shorthand manner of speech, the factual history of the beginning of the Anbar Awakening.
You do not know what you are talking about nishi. The surge took place in Iraq, a nation, not Baghdad, a city.
57 States!
Read Col. MacFarland and Major Smith’s article on “the Tipping Point” and the beginning of the Anbar Awakening and COIN in Iraq. http://tinyurl.com/6rjkr7
Thanks for the invite Lisa. I’d love to hang out with you fine O! supporters and kick back some suds but I live in Florida.
It’s nice to feel the warmth of friendship here on PW. I’d like to share that warmth with PW’s right-wing toads by zapping them with my O! ray gun. Zzzzap!
Couldn’t you zap us with some Tampa Rays instead, mighty thor? Those O-rays might be carcinogenic.
Invitation: I’ll do a podcast where I gleefully “debate” hoot and quellcrist falconer. And thor, too. I’ll even do it drunk.
Set it up. I haven’t torn apart an ass since the last time I was in prison.
I know I’m way late to this party (and I know that nishi is being deliberately obtuse about quoting McCain), but I’m wondering if I didn’t misunderstand him too:
Y’see, when I heard McCain talking to Katie Dimwit, I heard “we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening” as it meaning protecting the tribal leaders convinced them that we would support their fight against al-Qaeda; yet I haven’t heard anyone here use that notion as a way to refute the Tape Loop.
Did I also misunderstand McCain?…
Others have pointed out that protecting the sheiks was necessary in the first instance to keep them alive long enough to do anything at all. Dead sheik equals no awakening, so to speak. As we protected them we worked with them, organizing, equipping, funding, etc.
I think that’s globally true; you could have simply stopped there.
But I’d rather Dan, er, Dan’s rather, rather you’re Dan, oy, can I be Dan Rather?
Well, yeah, I got that, Sdferr; what I meant was, for all of the (ninny)hammering of “He said it was The SURGE!!!” from nishi in this thread, why didn’t anyone else suggest to her that McCain might have been talking about it as supporting the sheiks?
… Or have I been missing the nuance on how to bait the Tape Loop?…
Challeron, I think you may have the meaning of “it” aright, though McCain isn’t a terribly precise extemporaneous speaker and he may not wish to be pinned down that narrowly. As far as I can remember without going back and re-reading the thread, no-one did draw the distinction you have here shown. Whether it would have helped nishi understand our pov I can’t say, due to the vagaries of her peculiar turn of mind. I think I kept being distracted by her insistence that the context was all about Baghdad, McCain was having a short-term memory problem, one red herring after another but all such serious red herrings to her. I don’t really have any desire to “bait” nishi, though I do tease and mock a bit too much, I guess.
McCain doesn’t misunderstand the situation, but he sure doesn’t help matters with his loose forms of speech. So many distinctions, so little time.
Jeff, if the subject of the debate was Obama I’d make you look the fool.
I’m surprised how easy you’ve been sucked into associated imagery. The wretched rat-hoards of R-wing drones won’t save you in a one one one with me, neither will a bunch of uncontextualized O! quotes.
I get the man. You don’t. And that’s why I’ve been right about him while you and KK have been nothing but consistently wrong. I do appreciate how strongly you hold your opinions but they’re dated and based in misplaced bitterness. Doesn’t mean you’re a bad person though.
:)
Wow, thor… modest, much?
$20 in the tip jar if a “debate” with Capt. Modest can be arrainged on the topic of Obama.
Of course I sense a major league “dicktuck” coming from the supposed “god of thunder.” (ha!)
Jeff, if the subject of the debate was Obama I’d make you look the fool.
Suuuuuuure, you would.
Zero quatloos on the newcomer!
300!
$20 could get your dewclaw rubbed during a table dance. Better think hard about that.
I get the man. You don’t.
If I write you a couple of books about what a magnificent gift to humanity I am will you send me money and drool on my shoes too, thor?
Nishi is right that we need to be very concerned about the health of our candidates. Onset dementia is a serious problem and let’s take a minute to review memory loss, cognitive dissonance and out of time mistakes.
1) 57 states in the USA
2) Thinks he was member of a committee when he is not
3) 10,000 dead in Kansas tornado
4) Israel is Israel’s best friend
5) Breathalizor/Inhaler
6) President for 8-10 years.
7) Arabic translators to Afghnistan
8) Those veterens who gave the ultimate sacrifice who are in the audience today
This would seem to indicate a troubling pattern of short term memeory loss and higher brain functioning issues. Perhaps early onset dementia or a brain tumor or, perhaps, systemic hubris.
Whatever the cause, nishi, one has to be concerned that this person wants to be CiC and be in position to make life and death decisions about our country. I’m sure that you will be consistant and agree nthat such a person ought not to be running for President and, in fact, should seek medical attention for this condition, whatever it is. It is a tradgedy when one so relatively young experiernces these early warning signs but sometimes the luck runs out.
After all, these are only the public symptoms. Who knows what’s happening in private?
#299
That’s TV quality irony right there.
I think McCain should make the same agreement as Reagan.
If he begins showing signs of senilia he should step down.
viddie
STML doesnt improve…..it gets worse.
Iraq is McCain’s killer app.
He should be stone cold perfect on it.
He forgot, and he is going to forget again.
Mebbe at a relly badtime for our country.
chaff maggie
Obama was correct about his position all along, because his position is whatever ended up being correct, with the caveat that this position was the opposite of the incorrect position of the hateful right wingers with whom rational discourse will be easy peasy once he is elected.
Once you have it all written down and get some mescaline running through your nerve endings it all starts to make a sort of glorious sense.
McCain wears diapers you know. It’s because he can’t remember to not crap himself. It’s the senility. And probably a bit of the anger.
McCain is an old angry senile self crapper.
Will that fit on a bumpersticker?
Oh and you can’t debate the likes of thor or nishi or hoot on the topic of Obama, because they won’t agree to a static description of the subject. Or definitions of basic words. Or reality.
But you can take lots and lots of mescaline and hope that the angry monkeys in the corner aren’t whispering about you.
N. O’Brain: “That name scares the crap outta me. Worse than Yog-Sothoth, even.”
Christopher Taylor: “ah, he’s no Hastur”
*AHEM!*
Don’t make me raise the city…
Just wait ’til McCain’s medical records are released! Then you’ll all see! What’s that? Oh.
Shut up, nishi.
He forgot, and he is going to forget again.
Mebbe at a relly badtime for our country
You proggs just don’t understand how stupid you really are, I have never been a big fan of John McCain’s politics but I have always been a strong believer in the concept of what is in the best interest of the USA. John McCain will govern with the best interest of the USA as a core principle.
John McCain is right about the WOT and specifically Iraq. He also knows that thousands of American citizens along with a few citizens from other countries died on 9/11 and he knows there are 50 states in the USA. The more the proggs push your fantasy theories the more I support Senator McCain. After visiting many conservative blogs it is obvious I’m not the only one who feels that way.
I can repeat it as long as you can!
look…..McCain is even OLDER than Reagan.
He should make the same pledge, to step down if he develops senilia.
And right on cue nishi ignored my comment and question at #304 because, heaven forbid, we are not allowed to apply the same reasoning to Obama because of, you know, the shininess and hopetitude. And he’s younger … and handsome … and loves him some embryonic stem cells.
I wonder if Obama thinks the Druze are Chirstians too?
O! (noes)
look at the Petreaus video i linked.
McCain is obviously confused confused.
Can we really afford to have a confused elderly guy with senior moments runnin the country?
SBP: I wouldn’t get into a repeating game with nishi. She defines willfull plowing of the meme until magma percalates from the furrows.
percolates
consider the Petraeus example i linked bjtex.
McCain made the same mistake multiple times.
Is the “McCain is old” line the “new” brand of politics that is supposed to unite us all that Obama keeps talking about?
well, you won’t see O! ever make the same mistake even twice.
anyways that is just chaff to my question–
shouldn’t McCain make the same pledge Reagan made, given that McCain is even older than Reagan?
McCain is confused sometimes, pretty obvious from the video…..not a desirable trait in a CinC.
Thor: That is too bad. Hey, you definitely should come up here in January 09 to either celebrate or commiserate depending on who is getting sworn in.
Cheers!
Wash … Rinse … Ignore … Repeat … ad nauseum.
News flash: Reagan is dead.
Shut up, nishi.
Queefcrest really shouldn’t natter on about memory loss. She’s made so many stupid gaffes it’s not funny, and couple that with the word salad that makes up her comments, and it’s hard not to think she is suffering some serious brain damage.
Yea, Rob. I’m concerned about her onset dementia. Isn’t repeating the same thing over and over again one of the symptoms?
well, you won’t see O! ever make the same mistake even twice.
Hell you won’t see Obama take the same position twice on any issue either, I condemn myself and seek my penance,
im not running for president.
;)
do we really want a confused old person as CinC?
consider this where McCain desperately tries to defend his senior moment to a reporter.
but the old counterinsurgency strategy is exactly what wasn’t working in Anbar.
That is why the NEW Petraeus/Kilcullen model was invented.
In attempting to justify another senior moment, McCain denies any understanding of what actually worked in Anbar.
from here
How many times has he said that McCain said he wants to be at war for 100 years? Oh wait, that’s not a mistake, it’s a lie.
“to impose the government’s authority”
top-down didn’t work in Anbar.
Does McCain understand that?
what worked was a bottom-up grassroots strategy that built local trusted networks.
Wash … Rinse … Ignore … Repeat … ad nauseum … *YAWN*
“voteyourintellectATgmail.com”
Yes, because if you don’t vote for Obama, you’re dumb.
How many times has he said that McCain said he wants to be at war for 100 years? Oh wait, that’s not a mistake, it’s a lie.
How many times has Nishi lied on this thread?
yup, Pablo, i agree. ;)
that is branding McCain with an outofcontext remark.
But, which is it?
Did McCain have a senior moment on Anbar and the Surge, or does he honestly not understand what worked in Anbar?
How’s that definitive link coming for confirming that The Druze are Christian, nishi?
*YAWN
quit throwin chaff, bjtex and just answer my question.
Did McCain have a senior moment on Anbar and the Surge, or does he honestly not understand what worked in Anbar?
Or, are you illiterate? I pick that.
Shut up, nishi.
Neither.
Any other questions or are you going to continue to ask the same one another 200 times that’s been answered 200 times? Maybe it’s time to stop being so narcissistic as to think that repeated assertions and questioning that don’t get you the answer that you want are pointless and boring.
You never answered my question from #304 and have not provided any sourcing for your contention that The Druze are Christian.
So I’m done answering your questions you obsessive compulsive little genocidal bigot.
And now the sentence actually makes sense, unlike the Nishmeme.
Oh and nishmeme? I answered your question in much greater detail in #85.
In all I’ve put about 4 times as much cintent into my replies as you have put into yoour 50 or so meme-bots.
Time to STFU.
Invitation: I’ll do a podcast where I gleefully “debate†hoot and quellcrist falconer. And thor, too. I’ll even do it drunk.
Set it up. I haven’t torn apart an ass since the last time I was in prison.
See? This is the kind of stuff people’d pay for a PW Gold Membership to hear..
Hey, think you could work the line “..right after you eat the peanuts outta my shiiiit..” in a faux John Wayne accent into your podcast ‘debate’ with hoot, quellcrist & thor? No particular reason.. you just dont hear that line used nearly enough these days…
If he begins showing signs of senilia he should step down.
Isn’t one of the signs of senilia repeating the same nonsense over and over and over?
Iraq is McCain’s killer app.
Iraq is McCain’s killer app.
Iraq is McCain’s killer app.
Iraq is McCain’s killer app.
Iraq is McCain’s killer app.
More like a Parrot than a Falcon, I’d say.
An obsessive compulsive parrot with Aspergers and Crohn’s disease.
Let me get this straight. The story line is now that the turnaround in Iraq happened BEFORE The Surge and really was not related to it? So even though the violence in fall of 2006 was near all-time highs, we were seeing good things in Iraq? So when the Democrats were saying all was hopeless and we needed to get out of the failed Iraq war, not only was the war salvagable but we were actually succeeding?
So basically McCain is wrong now, because in fact the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld view that we were doing better than the press was saying in 2006 was correct. Oh … and the whole “Civil War” meme was cr*pola.
In other news, Oceania and Europa were NEVER at war.
The mind boggles at the meme-tastic somersaults!
This nails it :
“2) You and other are reaching for semantical horse collars. Of course the “groundwork†for the Anwar Awakening was going on well before the actual troop surge was a reality. McCain’s point, lost on Larison and everybody else beating on this molehill, is that there would have been no sustainability of that Awakening or of Security in Baghdad without the presence and aggressive posture of US troops. That allowed the Awakening to flourish and succeed. It also allowed the lessons being learned to be utilized in other provinces. No security guarentees backed by US troops? No long term Awakening. ”
We’ve been working with tribes since 2003, that was never *not* part of the plan, but it never stuck because we never created enough of a security space to keep this guys alive and make them feel safe. We had to learn a few hard lessons and the Sunnis had to learn a few hard lessons too before it all _clicked_ … and it would have been a much slower and less successful process without the surge.
BTW, another meme absurdity is this ‘McCain coming around to Obama’s view that we need more troops in Afghanistan’.
Laughable, and if you need a refutation, go to Dec 2006:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/12/16/international/i045814S12.DTL
See also:
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-18-months-behind-mccain-on.html
Have you seen the Berlin poster, nishfong? Obama looks pretty confused there. and he’s making all these mistakes in public.
I just don’t see why this post got 350 comments. WTF?!
“top-down didn’t work in Anbar.
Does McCain understand that?”
Stop re-writing history. McCain understands and has articulated counter-insurgency strategy very well.
The question is – was Anbar working or failing in fall 2006? Fact is, the press was all over a military report from Anbar that was downright depressing. Things were falling apart according to the press, even though the military could always point to bright points, there was a high level of violence, and insurgents had control and were active in many towns.
LEST WE FORGET – GENL ABAZAID IN NOV 2006 ADMITTED ANBAR WAS NOT IN CONTROL. THE DEMOCRAT MEME WAS PURE DESPAIR AND WE HAD TO GIVE UP AND WITHDRAW. MCCAIN’S VIEW IN NOV 2006 WAS THAT STATUS QUO WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND TO ADD TROOPS SO THAT COUNTER-INSURGENCY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUCCEED.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/15/AR2006111500800_pf.html
McCain, who favors a significant boost in U.S. forces, quizzed Abizaid on why more troops have not been sent to the Sunni insurgent stronghold of Anbar province, where U.S. casualties are among the highest in Iraq and Marine commanders say they lack sufficient forces.
“General Abizaid, is al-Anbar province under control?” McCain asked.
“Al-Anbar province is not under control, Senator,” Abizaid replied. He said he recently released a Marine expeditionary unit of more than 2,000 troops from the Middle East to reinforce troops in Anbar. Still, he said that Baghdad and not Anbar will remain the main military effort, and that Iraqi forces will have to do more.
“I regret deeply that you seem to think that the status quo and the rate of progress we’re making is acceptable. I think most Americans do not,” McCain concluded.
NOW IF THE NEW DEMOCRAT/LEFT MEME IS THAT THINGS WERE GOING WELL IN IRAQ AND IN ANBAR IN FALL 2006 AFTER ALL, COME OUT AND SAY IT.
um,Lisa, I was at work yesterday and they often “complain” that I work too fast so I goof off to pace myself.
It’s an argument over what the truth of the matter is, Lisa. That sort of thing, in a manner different from issues of sex, tends always to attract a heap of attention.
Hi. Lisa! Where ya been?
If you are curious, check out how many times quellcrest/nishi makes the same point over and over and over again.
It’s like the tape loop from hell!
Lisa, McCain said–
â€ÂBecause of the Surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that’s just a matter of history.â€Â
But that is totally wrong. The Surge Couric was discussing was the troop level increase that O voted against and McCain voted for. The Surge had nothing to with Anbar.
Either McCain doesn’t understand the Petraeus model and why the Anbar Awakening worked, or he had a senior moment and thot the Surge went down in Anbar instead in Baghdad.
“Surging”(as muccain defines it) wasn’t working in Anbar province.
They wont answer my question.
>:(
Maybe Jeff will…….hey, Jeff, which is it?
Did McCain have a senior moment and confuse Anbar and Baghdad, or is he clueless about the Petraeus model that worked in Anbar when the conventional counter-insurgency model of more troops was a failure?
You see….i would just like to know what McCain meant…..his “intentionalism”, dig it?
or do i have my head up my ass?
Yes you do.
You see….i would just like to know what McCain meant…..his “intentionalismâ€Â, dig it?
You might want to try reading his words honestly instead of selectively parsing data that supports your preconceived conclusions. It does bring me great joy to think of you calling yourself a scientist, I must confess. Even more than when you remind us again and again of your libertarianism.
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/07/23/mccain-was-right-about-anbar-comment/
“This counter-insurgency was initiated to some degree by Col. McFarland in Anbar province, relatively on his own. And I visited with him in December of 2006. He had already initiated that strategy in Ramadi by going in and clearing and holding in certain places,†McCain said. “Later on, there were additional troops, and General Petraeus said that the surge would not have worked, and the Anbar awakening would not have taken place, successfully, if they hadn’t had an increase in the number of troops.†– John McCain
Correct. McCain was seeing the successful strategy in embryo form in late 2006 in Ramadi, and that gave him confidence at the time to advocate for the ultimately successful surge strategy at that time. FEW IN CONGRESS JOINED HIM. HE WAS RIGHT, THEY WERE WRONG.
“”So I’m not sure frankly that people really understand that a surge is part of counter-insurgency strategy which means going in, clearing, holding, building a better life, providing services to the people. And then clearly a part of that, an important part of it, was additional troops to help insure the safety of the sheiks, to gain control of Ramadi, which was a very bloody fight, and then the surge would continue to succeed as a counter-insurgency.” – John McCain
The “Surge” is using clear, hold, rebuild counter-insurgency method with local forces and the proper logistics in place to make it work. The troops was not the end, but a means to an end.
It is very clear now that Barack Obama does not understand that at all, and his shallow and wrong views on Iraq and what actually worked are almost frightening in their ignorance.
Via here, is another quote on why the surge was vital to the success of the Anbar awakening:
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/07/23/mccain-was-right-about-anbar-comment/
“The tribal leaders in Anbar began to turn against al Qaeda in Iraq last year [2006], largely due to unspeakable atrocities committed by the terrorists against their own hosts. Many analysts and observers have seized upon this fact to argue that the movement in Anbar had nothing to do with the surge, began before the surge did, and would continue even without the surge. This argument is invalid. Anbari tribal leaders did begin to turn against AQI in their areas last year before the surge began, but not before Colonel Sean MacFarland began to apply in Ramadi the tactics and techniques that are the basis of the current strategy in Baghdad. His soldiers and Marines fought tenaciously to establish a foothold in Anbar’s capital, which was then a terrorist stronghold, and thereby demonstrated to the local leaders that they could count on American support as they began to fight their erstwhile allies. Even so, the movement proceeded slowly and fitfully for most of 2006 and, indeed, into 2007. But when Colonel John Charlton’s brigade relieved MacFarland’s in Ramadi and was joined by two additional Marine battalions (part of the surge) elsewhere in Anbar, the “awakening†began to accelerate very rapidly. At the start of 2007 there were only a handful of Anbaris in the local security forces. By the summer there were over 14,000. Before the surge, Ramadi was one of the most dangerous cities in Iraq; now it is possible for Americans to walk through its market with limited security details and without body armor. David Kilcullen describes the relationship between the surge and the movement very well in his Small Wars Journal posting, and I have also addressed the issue in detail in a recent Weekly Standard article . The fact is that neither the surge nor the turn of the tribal leaders would in itself have been enough to turn Anbar around  both were necessary, and will remain so for some time.”
Oops, that first link was meant to be this:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/07/mccain_defends_anbarbeforesurg.php
That was well done BMoe. Thanks.
Hey, and the same goes for you, Freedoms Truth, well done, huzzah, my thanks.
“David Kilcullen describes the relationship between the surge and the movement very well in his Small Wars Journal posting, and I have also addressed the issue in detail in a recent Weekly Standard article .”
Bullshit.
I’ve read Kilcullen.
Couric and McCain were discussing the Baghdad Surge, that mccain voted for and O voted against.
Increased troops levels were not working in Anbar.
McCain SAID the Surge caused the Anbar Awakening.
Simply wrong.
What McCain tries to define as “surging” is increased troop levels.
Didn’t work in Anbar.
consider this where McCain desperately tries to defend his senior moment to a reporter.
but the old counterinsurgency strategy is exactly what wasn’t working in Anbar.
That is why the NEW Petraeus/Kilcullen model was invented.
In attempting to justify another senior moment, McCain denies any understanding of what actually worked in Anbar.
I understand exactly what McCain said, Moes.
What i dont understand is what he meant.
Saying the Surge began the Anbar Awakening is nonsense in context.
Either McCain had a senior moment and confused Anbar and Baghdad or he is clueless about what worked in Anbar after the increased troop level counter-insurgency “surging” failed.
btw, McCain never called increased troop strength “surging” before he tried to cover up his senior moment.
You’re right. The inauguration will be a most excellent party.
Cranial Rectimitis Resumpsi causes me to repeatedly spew the same gibberish, and then re-insert my head up my ass.
And guess what?
There will be more senior moments.
Eventually you cudlips wont be able to excuse them even to yourselves.
Shortterm memory loss?
The nishit is a mendoucheous mental midget. It must be snorting a mixture of Adderall and meth again today.
Karl, I think griefquest is taking your post title personally.
It’s irrational exuberance over the return from my vacation. They need to be smacked up and without me they suffer from smackage withdrawal syndrome.
Karl’s tremors have subsided. Jeff can taste food again. Dan had sex with his wife which officially ended a worrisome dry spell.
It’s all good again at PW.
You keep saying that. It was wrong the first time, and it keeps being wrong no matter how many times you repeat it. The only thing that can be concluded from that is that either the second sentence of the quote above is accurate and you are clueless on a level seldom achieved by slime molds, or you are lying, lying, lying, and lying with the intention to repeat the lie often enough to make it credible by the clueless.
John McCain has always promoted an increase in troop levels, a “surge”, in Iraq to provide security. The actual “surge” as implemented by Petraeus, et. al. is much more complex, subtle, and (yes) nuanced than simply throwing more bodies into the meat grinder. The seeds of it were the few sheiks of Anbar who had become exasperated by the behavior of the Zarkawites and were looking for an alternative; to turn that into a Movement, an “Awakening”, required a display of good faith on the part of Americans — a “surge” — lest it be stillborn. American commanders’ initial responses, at that time largely confined to money and advice, were the initial stages of the surge; adding more troops was simply a continuation, systematization, and refinement of what had already been begun by people operating ‘way below the level of CiC or even CENTCOM. Treating the reinforcements, increases in troop levels, as the only component of the “surge” is either breathtaking ignorance or deliberate falsehood.
Regards,
Ric
my name is griefquest fukstainer you killed my last thread comment prepare to see me repeat it again
And guess what?
There will be more senior moments.
Guess what?
While you’ve been wasting your time screeching and lying, I’ve finished writing another book chapter.
I wonder which one of us is going to feel like they’ve accomplished something important, at the end of our lives?
The bottom line here is that you are utterly useless to society. You have absolutely no skills or talents of any kind. All you can do is “grief” (i.e., attempt to waste the time of other people).
You’re not two years old anymore, nishit. Time to grow up and stop pooping your pants in church to try to get Daddy’s attention.
There may be a third possibility w/regard to nishi, Ric.
I am beginning to be seriously concerned about your mental state, nishi.
If this obsessive behavior is all an act by you, a put on, that’s one thing and is easy to set to the side.
If, on the other hand, you have no control over yourself, no ability to see your own way out of the incoherence of your insistent question, that is altogether another thing and that possibility is the cause of my concern. My question therefore, is, are you having a mental break? Do you need to seek professional help for your condition? Can you recognize that you may need that help?
There will be plenty of Budweiser, I’m sure.
I’d say you were a little late to the party there, Sdferr.
Look at it this way: based on the same aberration she might be come an arsonist or a serial killer, or go into San Bernardino County politics. At least here she does no damage other than an occasional spike in other peoples’ blood pressure, and that only if you let her do it. I call it a mitzvah on Jeff’s part to keep her around.
Besides, it leaves more hobos for Ace.
Regards,
Ric
McCain consistently displays much better judgment about what to do in Iraq than Baracky. Baracky seems like he’s just making it up as he goes. Baracky should try committing to victory and then go from there with his policies. If you want to win a war, the first thing you do is say so I think. That’s just some free advice.
yu cudlips woldnt nowe senil u to buzy prayin two xtian thron god
lulz
mcoot senyor dimentad know gut four prezdent
bama maksme burnz n eye trebles wit luzt oh
gottago, runz oot of oliv oyls lulz
me swety ick
I dream of a day that leftists stop defending Senator Obama by yelling “McCain sucks!” Hey, guess what: we think so too. That doesn’t make Obama suck any less. What he does wrong, what is wrong with him as a president doesn’t go away because McCain is a grumpy old fool.
Who the fuck are you to get all personal with Nishi like that? Grow up, ineffectual asshole.
If you had any talent you wouldn’t suffer from the compulsion to try and build up your ego by putting others down.
A book written by another duddering R-winger on the rag, just what the world has been waiting for.
If you had any talent you wouldn’t suffer from the compulsion to try and build up your ego by putting others down.
Irony.
I understand exactly what McCain said, Moes.
What i dont understand is what he meant.
That has been obvious to the rest of us since your first post.
Who the fuck are you to get all personal with Nishi like that?
The guy who’s repeatedly schooled your ass, blowhard. That’s who the fuck I am.
I asked you two basic questions on set theory and either you couldn’t answer them or you failed to, you little pussy-ass third-grade math teacher.
You’re dumber than Nishi’s nipple, or a liar.
What a cruty Pussy you are – show up and try an group-bag on people. What a worthless dick you are.
Get a life, fuckhead.
Ha, the above is from me, you worthless low-IQ dickbag.
vituperative.
I asked you two basic questions on set theory
Maybe you have “early onset”, like nishit, ’cause that’s not the way I remember it. Perhaps your sorry ass has been owned so many times that it’s all starting to run together. Irrelevant, in either case.
Hell, you aren’t even competent to run a sock puppet, as we’ve just seen.
It’s about time someone pulls a few of the lowest rats from the pack and gives ’em a taste of what their pussy-asses try and dish out.
If I had a nickel for every low-IQ dick that told me he was writing a book I’d buy and pimp Leona Helmsley’s corpse to homeless vets.
Spies, Pirates and Squid Pricks is a worthless groupie ‘tard. I’ll remind the airhead what a talentless lying hack he is every time he thinks he’s “the man” to bag on Nishi.
Thor and Nishi, up in a tree…
I’m hard at work on my second autobiography. Since my last one I’ve added two new people to my Yahoo! Messenger and also I switched coffee brands. Ok back to work.
Yeah, I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you didn’t answer the first question, you dick.
After the second question, ot-oh! Who knows, you probably a pathetic bullshitting retard. The PhD in math I’m working with on my paper, yes, I showed him your question and we went over it – he said he wouldn’t even waste his time trying to one-up message board strangers with that type of bullshit you tried to pull on me.
You’re a dick. A worthless, lonely dick. Pick your nose and fuck off. You got nothing on Nishi, loser.
Thor: imagine how little your opinion matters to me.
Now, reduce your imaginings by a factor of, oh, say, 100,000 or so. You’ll be somewhere in the ballpark then.
The PhD in math I’m working with on my paper
Then he’s just as incompetent as you are.
But then, that figures, doesn’t it?
By the way, I don’t think nishit is going to give you any, and, if she does, I think you’d probably regret it in the long run. The girl has “bunny boiler” written all over her. Just a word to the wise, eh? Or, in your case, a word to the pseudo-wise borderline retards.
Imagine that everyone knows Nishi is quite the strange bird. Imagine others also see her as likely a respectably high-IQ strange bird.
You don’t have to imagine much more. Anyone who’d, in a serious tone, post what you posted probably doesn’t have the IQ of Nishi’s douche water. The way you hide that is to play-pretend you’re some sort’a misunderstood, brooding, book-writing genius.
Piss off. Piss off. Thrice like.
Imagine others also see her as likely a respectably high-IQ strange bird.
Who would that be, pray tell? She’s demonstrably ignorant of every subject she’s ever attempted to discuss, including the one in which she allegedly holds a degree. She’s a pompous, lying fraud. Like you.
Hey, I take back what I said earlier. You two are made for each other. Assuming you can find a house big enough to hold two egos of that size…
By nishit’s own admission she tries to elicit abuse.
I obliged.
Consenting adults and all that, you know?
Piss off. Piss off. Thrice like.
Next you’ll be saying “nah-nah-nah-nah-NAH-nah” or something, I suppose.
How old are you? Six?
But thor went a bit to far
Spies sailed across the bar
And then the punches flew and chairs were smashed in two
There was blood and a single gun shot
But just who shot who?
oh. *too* far I mean. I’m sort of rattled I think. All the fractiousness. Baracky is tearing us apart it feels like.
You want I can put on a Westlife cd and we can have domestic beers and just sort of be for awhile. That would be nice I think.
Not to worry, happyfeets. Thor is just a bloviating net.fool of the sort that’s been around for decades.
Back in the day, we used to call it the “September effect”, when we’d see an influx of callow freshman eager to use their shiny new net accounts to share their Deep Philosophical Insights with the rest of the world.
That all changed back in 1993.
If I was six what would I be? Twice as old as you. You divide 6 by 2 and the inference is that you’re aged 3 – an explanation is for the benefit of the probable autistic.
Nishi is confused, in my opinion, but I’ve never found her to be the lying fraud that you proved to be.
You’re a cheap limp dick trying to exploit her unpopular viewpoints. Whose made for each other? Well you tried to be the Nishi-bashing big dog ’round her, now didn’t’cha, but ya failed the pop quiz.
I’ve never found her to be the lying fraud that you proved to be.
Whatever you say, Skippy. ~400 posts above prove you wrong.
And I still don’t think she’s gonna give you any, but who knows? You might get “lucky”.
No, nishi ain’t gonna give me any. I don’t necessarily agree with anything she says. But I do know one thing, the reason I’m in grad school is because Lit, Lit Theory, writing skills, etc.., ain’t altogther intuitive. My old Texas A&K Finance degree didn’t exactly prepare me to write papers of hybrid Lit/Math theory nor write as well as I wanted to write.
A liar like you can keep on pretending most people buy into your bullshit – “Chomsky’s theories are the easy stuff!” Me, all I have to say to you is fuck your “bullshitting” self. I know too much for your act to fly.
A&M
I’m in grad school
Imagine my surprise.
Texas A&M
Again, imagine my surprise.
write as well as I wanted to write.
Well, considering that you think “you’re a dick” counts as original wit, I’d say you have quite a long road ahead of you there, Skippy. The Silk Road, the Pan-American Highway, or the Trans-Siberian Railway, perhaps.
Yep, Spies, Boners and Squid Pricks ran off like the timid little girl he really is.
And I’ve yet to ask him a simple set-theory question.
What a no-talent, skill-less, waste-to-society fraud the little bag of pricks is.
Fuck him.
Snicker.
Looks like you declared victory a little too soon there, Skippy.
Call me a dick again, why dontcha? I can’t wait to be honored with more of that Booker Prize-quality original prose.
Ha! He’s back for more, hand-signaling under the stall door, eliciting more abuse.
So what is it you’re trying to say about Texas A&M, tough guy. Did you go to one of the colleges that offers modern dance as an academic major, ya faggot?
So what is it you’re trying to say about Texas A&M, tough guy.
Oh, I don’t think I need to say anything about Texas A&M that hasn’t already been said.
Harvard
Oxford
Cambridge
MIT
The Sorbonne
Texas A&M
Sing it with me, folks — “One of these things…is not like the others….”
Snicker.
A&M is for real not all that scoff-worthy at all. Just saying. An MBA from there and you’ll have a nice life and probably marry someone more attractive than you are. It needs a law school though I think.
My Mommy went to The Sorbonne, Francophone. But she sent her son, the one who loved to box, to A&M. Dad? My dad has an accounting degree and engineering degree from University of Texas, small school, sort’a like A&M, maybe you’ve heard of it, it being so tiny!
Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, so we all know what a pussy school that is for letting him affirmitiv-action his way to the top of his class.
And, by chance, what was the name of your alma mater?
Baracky really hasn’t done much with his Harvard. Comparatively, I mean. It’s not like he doesn’t not know that. He’s got to feel a little pitiful how much he still dines out on the Law Review thing.
I dunno Happy, the leading candidate for the Presidency usually counts for something at those Harvard alum happy hours.
O!
I meant except for that.
My uncle went to A&M, married my aunt who is better looking than him, got a graduate degree in civil engineering, specialty earthen dams, joined Army Corps, retired major, rejoined as civilian, worked a life, retired. He’s a real good guy, still an Aggie though.
I still think it’s odd that he didn’t have to learn a foreign language to graduate magna cum, though, Thor. I would guess, SBP, that one might find some very competitive programs at A&M, so I’m not going to sn*gger. I’m pretty sure that their engineering degrees, for example, hold up quite well against those we dole out at Dartmouth. Just saying.
I knew plenty of mediocre minds at Dartmouth. I’ve mentioned one of them. He’s got $1.7 billion bucks at last estimate. Many people would consider that success, even if he inherited most of it. I imagine that that’s also true of Harvard. Honestly, I don’t care.
I went there for a little. I still say howdy sometimes. But mostly as a defense mechanism.
I say howdy a whole lot less than I used to I notice, now that you mention it.
The agricultural business program there I’ve heard is better real life business learning than their business program. This is usually said in a very high praise kind of way. I thought that was interesting.
And, by chance, what was the name of your alma mater?
Oh, you haven’t heard of it, but then I’m not the one bragging about my academic pedigree, am I?
I can’t think of a better demonstration of your problem, thor.
Please tell me I’m a dick again. I’m on the edge of my seat in anticipation of being further edified by a card-carrying member of the intellectual elite. They just didn’t teach that sort of brilliant rhetoric in the cow college I attended for undergrad or the (somewhat larger) cow college where I went to grad school.
C’mon, guys. Even stupid Bush got a degree from Yale and then business school, and he’s obviously a moron, so can’t we just can it? Also, he was a failure at wildcatting (should have gone to Northwestern) and somehow scrounged a share in a baseball team, so it’s not as though he ever struggled or tried or knows anything about making a buck in the real world, because his daddy was head of the CIA, you know. So, just let it die.
Also, he had a DUI, so that’s just pretty much like doing cocaine. Which everyone on the left says was terrible of him, if’n he did it.
Only Cheney got two DUIs, which means he’s a sociopath, just like Novak, except Pat Kennedy’s not, because he didn’t get to take a blood alcohol test.
kk.
look, if anyone can find a cite for McCain calling increased troop level “surging” BEFORE tryin to cover up his senior moment on Anbar, i’ll apolo.
good luck with that.
lol.
here feets, trendy j-pop from LM.C
so adorable.;)
I won’t bag on anyone’s school. I even respect the Colorado School of Mines, hell, I played waterpolo at a tournemnt at the University of Missouri of Rolla, and though they girls there made even A&M’s look pretty, they seemed to have quite a few serious graduate students that were smart as shit. Needless to say Southwest Missouri State or SEMO I did not mention.
Some of us being from Texas back in the day therefore know Tech, Oklahoma, Univ. of Houston and North Texas used to be the big open-entrance Southern-Texas schools. A&M was, certainly, never one of those.
Cow college? Maybe. Fuckin’ decent engineering and science university – always.
So I took the GMAT, hell they even made me take the CLAST, and it seems I’ve half-forgotten more math than they teach the kids at FAU. So do I care? No. These goofs don’t need to know all the math-shit I got drilled with back at A&M. I know that from having a real job. At A&M they tortured us with math-shit because they could. I’m supposed to be grateful, but I’m not, fuck ’em, though I wasn’t completely aware of it at the time, they tortured us for the mere fact because they wanted us to fail. More revenue from the failed. Bastards.
All-in-all, it’s what you put into it. Spies, you ain’t Jeff, quit hiding behind his…super bellbottoms. If you write well in as many styles – academic, comedic, fiction – as he then you can mock me, but since I doubt you do, fuck you.
I’m coming to you wireless from the Blue Anchor in Delray Beach Florida. The voltage is now low, like my caring of.
Stellas are adding too much noise in the thought meter.
Peace. Click-click-click-clang. Beers all around.
Thanks for the beers, thor!
I love that, nishi, and also it’s truthy. Maybe too. That’s going on the list. But ack. Now I’m infected with kawaii again.
What would it matter whether or not I’ve heard of your alma mater? I suppose the fact you won’t cough it up after deriding mine says enough.
You come here and claim people are bragging about their academic pedigree when all they’ve stated is they graduated from a state university? You’re a rhetorical genius. I hope your book doesn’t require a thesis.
I find Nishi a lot more interesting than you. I find her to be brighter than you as well.
Why don’t you write a tell-all book about how you go about insulting people iff there’s lots of other message board clowns hounding a victim. Write about the size douche bag you are to pick on a woman named nishi by telling her she’s talentless and useless to society.
What a big man you are. There’s quite enough raging dicks exactly like you that hang out here. You wouldn’t be missed if you disappeared.
I think you’re probably the biggest asshole here. I see no reason not to mock you every time you post, call you a loser, useless, talentless, a fuckin’ two-bit creep. Let’s see how you like walking in nishi’s shoes for awhile. I bet you run.
See cudlips?
Punkd again.
McCain never called increased troop levels “surging” until his gaffe on Anbar and the Surge.
weaksauce, an i don’t believe it.
It is STML, and it won’t stop.
It will get more frequent and harder to cover up.
You two should maybe get a room. Prolly one with nice soft walls.
Me thinks thor hasn’t had enough of the Hope Shaft™ lately. Makes him grumpy.
nishit thinks that if she pukes out Meme #3 200 more times, it mightbecome something less than the overt and aggressive lie that it is. Go fuck youself, nishit.
At least is q.falconer is bangin’ the nishit, we do not have to worry about it reproducing.
one more thing Karl….why did CBS edit that part out of the video footage?
just a guess…..but it does look kinda bad for a presidential candidate to appear to be confused about the difference between Anbar and the Baghdad Surge.
u cudlips think the baddies are salivating over exploiting Obama’s “guilibility” and willingingness to talk….but they are even more ready to exploit the limitations of a confused old man.
This fixation on one statement is just hilarious. Let’s see, assuming falconer is remotely accurate: one gaffe proves someone is too stupid, confused, and ill informed to be president is that it?
How many gaffes have we gotten from Obama so far? That doesn’t prove a thing, naturally.
nope taylor, im analyzin available data to determine if McCain is experiencing age-associated shortterm memory loss.
And I think i have proven my hypothesis for two incidents, the Anbar/Surge senior moment and the Sunni/Shi’ia serial confusion.
McCain is even older than Reagan. I think he should make Reagan’s pledge, to step down if he develops senilia.
It would be the honorable and sensible thing to do.