Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is announcing plans to expand President Bush’s program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and  in a move sure to cause controversy  support some ability to hire and fire based on faith.
At the same time, he’ll be privately reassuring the nutroots that he means no such thing. Karl’s post just below is also germane to the spectacle.
As Karl notes, the clarification has begun
Dan.
these are the “guns and religion” people.
also, dr. pournelle’s 40percent and Jefferson’s “yeoman farmer”.
the democrats and the republicans just offer different solutions.
Gad. It’s a shame that comments in a thread are unreadable.
Different solutions?
Baracky is inherently faith-based, Dan.
He’ll be doling out the funds, but the catch will be that the recipients (except for the Muslims) will have to swear allegiance to the tenets of proggitude. And somehow that won’t bother Greenwald(s). Then the Supreme Court will get ahold of it, and the howling will begin, and none of them will see the slightest bit of irony.
Gee, a lengthy comment with no condemnation of the erosion of the wall between church and state.
It’s a Christian nation now… because O! decrees it.
And teh HYPOCRISY!!! Natch. Bookmarked.
Why does nishit insist on puking in a perfectly good new thread?
Will the tenets of proggitude be spelled out in advance or should we expect them to be a more ad hoc set of guidelines?
It’s all she knows. Would you rather hear about how Muslim dudes won’t date her?
I am Teh Kourier and i am bringing you another message you dont want to hear.
Religion is self-esteem for the 40percent.
That is the real meaning of IDT. That “god-smart” is equivalent to “science-smart” and “academic smart”.
Goldberg is wrong about O!’s thesis. It is exactly the same as Reihans.
It is the solutions that are different. O! sees the traditional prog big welfare state as the remedy.
Reihan and Douthat want government programs that strengthen the family unit and reduce divorce. A bottom up solution, while O!’s is a top-down Big Government solution.
Another lengthy OT comment ignoring her shrill BS on the separation of church and state.
Because of the hypocrisy. Fraud.
There are good things about religion, and Reihan is spot on i think about his solutions.
But religion does not belong in government.
Not your religion, not my religion, not anyones religion.
And the Framers deliberately used a generic “Creator” and not the xian “God” for a reason.
and it wasn’t poetic license.
;)
Hey, look! There’s a coyote frantically flailing its legs after running off the edge of the cliff.
(whistling sound)
Poof!
We already know that nishit is alright with the comingling of church and state, so long as it is her church, where she worships at the altar of Baracky. If a Republican proposed the same thing, she would be bleating about the theoconz and a theocracy. But, single the anointed and pure Baracky Hussein Obama supports it, crickets chirping. Plus, comingling of politics and religion is the underlying foundation of Baracky’s church, and that has not stopped her from deep throating the anointed one.
ACME rockets are sure to follow.
Now it’s about solutions. They’re OK if O! sayeth.
So let it be written; so let it be done.
Fraud. Hypocrite.
She would be more tolerable if she would just acknowledge her rampant hypocrisy. Own it.
Religion is fine in government, nishi. Sessions of Congress begin with a prayer, there is a house chaplain, and the word God appears all over the place inside the capital.
You’re not as well informed as you think you are.
edu guy, one question–is any of that in the Constitution?
actually Karl, Dan, et all, I think the Douthat/Salam solution is brilliant.
It is a grassroots solution, like the Petraeus Kilcullen model that is working so well in Iraq.
But there is not time to start implementing anything before November.
There will be enormous resistance by the 40percent to being defined as the 40percent for one thing.
It is a fucking babbling idiot.
It’s not an idiot, JD. It just doesn’t yet recognize the limitations of analogy.
Babble-babble-babble. Babble.
Or, to put it another way,
Thrippy pillywinx. Inkly tinky, pobblebockle able squacks? Flosky! Beeble trimble flosky! Okul scratch abibble-bongibo, viddle squibble tog-a-tog ferry moya sitty amsky flamsky crockefether squiggs. Flinky wisty pomm.
Ohnoes! THEOCRACY!!! It’s in the Courtz!
Teh Moses! Teh Muhammad! What about Teh Constitutionz?!?
I must say, that was lapidary.
Funny, suction oneself to the sphincter of a politician and you end up with a mouthful. Couldn’t have seen that coming.
Dan, it calls itself a scientist and willfully ignores facts. That strikes me as idiocy.
Religion was inherent to the framers, Nishi.
Religion is a strong, necessary social network, and even the confused Obama realizes that. Given his reach-out to faith-based groups.
I wouldn’t think many of those groups would buy it, or trust him though; given his last Church and minister lie crushed under The Bus™.
Nishi ASL? Do you have myspace?
It would be nice to be able to read one lousy thread without our resident dipstick chiming in to ruin the atmosphere. These fucking mood lights aren’t helping.
“Nishi ASL? Do you have myspace?”
Get a room.
I feel you, Kirk, though this one was bait.
nishi – what is in the Constitution is the following, only part of which you cling to.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Notice it doesn’t say anything about those with religion being unable to participate in government. Later, when you wrap your head around the entirety of this part we can discuss the other part about their being no religious tests allowed to determine who can serve.
hehe, the main problem i see with the Grand New Party, is how do you tell a 100million people they are just not college material?
very, very tactfully.
;)
awwww you guyz all bait me.
admit it.
;)
Comment by ProggHero on 7/1 @ 9:14 am #
Nishi ASL? Do you have myspace?
Where can a regular Progg get a little action?
And the hypocritical fraud is back to going OT. Shut it.
BTW, the “clarifying is already starting. Heh.
Also, O! is totally cool with gay marriage now. I knew the Sermon on the Mount would win out in the end. Maybe O! heard about the new Church of Chavez.
They open the book with a working-class view of recent American history. Douthat and Salam write admiringly about the New Deal. They mention Roosevelt’s economic policies, but they also emphasize the New Deal’s intense social conservatism. Self-conscious maternalists like Eleanor Roosevelt and Frances Perkins ensured that New Deal programs were biased in favor of traditional two-parent families.
Liberals write about economic inequality and conservatives about social disruption, but Douthat and Salam write about the interplay between values and economics and the way virtue and economic security can reinforce each other.
One of Reihans favorite statements is “vibrant religious community”.
religion has a place in the Grand New Party, in the community….not in government.
And while gay marriage is cool, the carefully worded statement on Title VII being appicable to the faith-based initiative ignores that Title VII does not protect gays. At this point, the spin could suck in livestock.
COW!
“Hey, you know, you’re not really cut out for college.”
It’s not a moral failing, or even a genetic flaw. It’s not like telling them they’re sub-literate twats.
here is your cycle Karl–
This time around, O! is offering them the Big Government welfare program lifeboat. A sloppy, gaudy, lifeboat stuffed with programs like wealth-redistribution and socialized medicine.
With compassionate conservatism and no child left behind GW tried to copy the prog model.
This time around, the repubs simply have offered nothing.
mccain sends mixed and weak signals at best.
Nishi re:
Read this:
Tell me he was Christian for the sake of self esteem? Or maybe he was just a brilliant GENIUS and SAINT.
Moo
“It’s not a moral failing, or even a genetic flaw.”
I just don’t think that will be well recieved Rob.
so what rivercocytus?
so was Jefferson a polymath, and he was one of the Founders.
i see no point here.
well, i gtg to work.
fare-thee-well, proteins
Translation: “Science can cut and dice whatever living and viable fetal cells or blastocytes we want, and clone ourselves with impunity, and there’s not a bit of your stinking faith-based morality that can stop us!”
lol, that’s the point. You don’t have one. Religion is not just self-esteem for the ‘40%’, but rather, it is a way to conquer self-esteem.
Another OT comment and the fraud leaves. If I was as immature as she, I would know be screaming, “SHE RAN AWAY!!! PUNK’D!!! ELEVENTY!!!!”
“know” = “now” natch.
I think if the Obamabots could figure out a way to market the spin they are having to go through just to keep up with BHOs ever changing policy they could open a new chain of amusement parks. Call it Six spins over the Messiah, or something.
I do not see how Obama thinks this will benefit him with religious voters when you count his position on Partial Birth Abortion. Seems to me he might as well court the NRA.
“Religion is not just self-esteem for the ‘40%’,”
it is NOW. in the bad old days, science WAS religion, and religion WAS science.
nonseperable.
Karl, im speaking dah truff and u knowes it!
hahaha
byeeee
Specially since any reference he brings up about religion automatically makes people think of TUCC. Hard to imagine him winning any votes by giving public funds to TUCC.
Seems to me he might as well court the NRA.
That or something like it will be coming. Whether it’s the traditional picture of Obama hunting or something new we will just have to wait and see.
Hardly. Man is quite as ignorant as he as been all along. It has always been his fancy that he is enlightened even as he fumbles about in the dark.
O!’s position on Partial Birth Abortions? That’s mild stuff. Try his support of ‘Infanticide‘.
But that’s just because the initial stab missed, you see. Babies can be so slippery that way.
Nishi is proof of God’s sense of humor, at least.
And irony.
Anyone know what nishi looks like she sounds hot.
I’m sure she appreciates every stalker she acquires, Progg.
‘zono
guinsPen, now I have to clean my keyboard!
So she is a bearded japanese man?
Bingo.
With O!’s hairshirt, front and back.
Get you some of that~!
It was wrong of President Bush to start this unconstitutional extension of an unconstitutional policy and it would be wrong of a President Obama to continue or expand it.
That’s a beaver shot.
“Comment by nishizonoshinji on 7/1 @ 9:48 am #
They open the book with a working-class view of recent American history. Douthat and Salam write admiringly about the New Deal. They mention Roosevelt’s economic policies, but they also emphasize the New Deal’s intense social conservatism.”
The new deal was fascism with an American mustache painted on.
Rob C – Talking about the nishit and beaver shots in the same sentence should be a crime punishable by hanging, or testicular removal.
This one time, at band camp, a girl asked me if I wanted to do jello shots, so I brought a camera and a mixing bowl, and she was all like, “Dude, WTF?”
Sorry, JD. I’ll try to give warning next time.
That’s a beaver shot.
I thought it was Willy Nelson.