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After-action report: My lunch with Jeff G [Karl]

Sorry, ladies — it did not occur to me to bring the camera when I left this morning, so there are no shirtless photos of the hot Jew for you.  He does seem to be in great shape, though I think his knees were in danger of locking up after his morning training session with Tony, who also seems like a very nice guy.  Also in attendance was Major John — in fatigues, no less.  The ‘dillo was detained by the TSA in Denver.  Tony served in the Marines, but there was no inter-service rivalry, esp. as Maj. John had good experiences with Marines in Afghanistan. 

I had considered writing about how hammered we got on tequila and body shots off the wait staff at one of the gentlemens’ clubs near the airport.  In truth, we had sandwiches and soda at a Longhorn Steakhouse (though apparently Tony and Jeff imbibed a bit when Jeff got in from the airport).  But the lunch wasn’t about the meal, really.

It was an entirely enjoyable and easy lunch, mostly remarkable for the fact that Jeff and Tony were the only two who had met in person before (and even that was the result of the Internet).  We talked about all sorts of mundane stuff, but also about the Protein Wisdom community — and how unique it is compared to other blogs.  Jeff is really appreciative of everyone’s support over the years, and too modest (at least over lunch) to note that he’s the straw that stirs the drink.

81 Replies to “After-action report: My lunch with Jeff G [Karl]”

  1. baldilocks says:

    hot Jew

    It’s fun to create a meme.

    My best also to Major John.

  2. mastour says:

    I regret not being able to get with Jeff while in Denver a few months back. I still hope to meet and share a few scotchs with the man. I’ve lurked and very rarely posted on this site for a number of years and find it by far one of the most intelligent blogs on the net. This and Ace’s site keep me sane.

    Thanks Jeff for all that you do and allowing others such as Karl to post on your blog. I only wish that the Pols read what you and others put down on the intertubes. I know wishful thinking, but I feel a revolution is coming and it won’t be pretty.

  3. Karl says:

    baldilocks,

    My big regret from the lunch was forgetting to check whether Jeff saw the exchange between you and Lisa on that point. Whatever can be done to encourage the lad should be done.

    Also,

    He’s let the hair grow back a (very little) little, but plans on getting it it cut way back again. When I wrote “mundane, ” I wasn’t kidding.

    And,

    If the ladies saw Maj. John in person, he would be moved up the hot chart. Sorry gals, he’s married too.

  4. John Cheshire says:

    Modesty or honesty? Your election coverage of the primaries and the associated players has been entertaining, informative and most importantly, dead on accurate. If Jeff is the straw then you are the bartender that keeps refilling the glass IMHO.

  5. JD says:

    Karl – I am jealous, in a totally manly non-Gleenwaldian kind of way, NTTAWWT.

  6. Karl says:

    John Cheshire,

    I’m just keeping the saloon doors open while the Master mixer hones his mojo.

    JD,

    It was nice to finally meet Jeff in person, even sans ‘dillo and scotch.

  7. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Well Karl. Enjoy your scufflaw nice luncheon time, and don’t worry about the rest of us, back here in the PW salt mines, laboring away at the most thankless task known to man, educating brain dead Progs.

    – Give my best to the Major, and tell him all my Oooorahs and Sempre fi’s are not any sort of inter-service rivalry thing, I was Navy anyway.

    – May the wind be at all our backs, and safe passage.

  8. Karl says:

    Another tidbit:

    Jeff & Tony discovered that — unbeknownst to each other — both own the box set of Billy Jack movies.

  9. dicentra says:

    Sorry, ladies — it did not occur to me to bring the camera when I left this morning, so there are no shirtless photos of the hot Jew for you.

    *sigh*

  10. Karl says:

    I’m unsure as to how much I can say about Maj. John, though he’s already blogged that he is returning to Iraq in the near -future. I think I can say that on the face of it, his next assignment should be less risky than his last one, which is a good thing, obvs. I was glad to have the opportunity to buy him a sammich. He even went with chicken, instead of the beef.

  11. ProggressiveHero says:

    So you find the Major attractive Karl?

  12. thor says:

    My first question concerns flowers, were any flowers exchanged or just thank-you cards and lingering hugs? And who amongst you men was the first to offer to split their side of french fries? Finally, did you take note the amount Jeff tipped for his meal?

    Seriously though, I hope Jeff didn’t have to ask you to let go of his hand post-handshake, Karl.

  13. Karl says:

    PH,
    I know the ladies are interested in such, and thus reported. The talk around the table was quite hetero, though Tony offered to turn his head if Jeff and I wanted to kiss goodbye. We declined.

  14. Karl says:

    I’m sure thor’s ears were burning when we discussed him.

  15. Karl says:

    In the prior thread, dre asks, “Was there arugula?”

    No, but O! & H! were Uniting for Change on the TV at the bar.

  16. ProggressiveHero says:

    Cool glad to hear you guys had a good get together Karl.

    You did know meat is murder though didn’t you?

  17. Karl says:

    I spun that disc as a DJ.

  18. thor says:

    You gazed Obama on the TV? But I was under the impression your eyes were focused on sizing-up the physical aesthetics of the others bodies. Well, Obama must have been a welcome ice breaker for you like-minded stiffs.

    And you recall a moment where you spoke of me, you say. I’m blushing. Positive energy directed my way; the nuance, yes I felt it.

  19. RTO Trainer says:

    The Major was in fatigues? What was this a flashback? I’ve been in for almost 15 years (August) and I’ve never worn fatigues.

    I’ll bet they were ACUs.

    /mil-snark off :)

  20. Karl says:

    I was mostly noticing how out of shape I am at the moment, really.

  21. Karl says:

    RTO,

    I’m sure you’re right. The Maj. mentioned some of your fine work in-theater, btw.

  22. ProggressiveHero says:

    Radio Telephone Operator Trainer? How do you need to train someone to answer the telephone? I didn’t know TOC training was it’s own MOS.

  23. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – thor, my guess is that it isn’t Positive energy that you felt as much as the room vibrating from raucous laughter.

  24. Karl says:

    PH,

    Re: RTO Trainer

    You really don’t want to go there.

  25. Mike LaRoche says:

    You did know meat is murder though didn’t you?

    If meat is murder, are eggs rape?

  26. I didn’t know TOC training was it’s own MOS.

    this is going in the “evidence for parody” file. ;D

  27. DeadPolarBear says:

    ProggressiveClown is feeling confident. He may even murder his own meat tonight!

  28. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Or at least club it into submission.

  29. John Cheshire says:

    Karl,

    There is keeping the salon doors open and then there is keeping the party going…you (and others) have done both. Although, I am looking forward to the return of the Master mixer on a more daily basis.

  30. Patrick Chester says:

    I think Proggie’s gone Rampant and has dived into the Permanent Stupidity phase.

  31. Karl says:

    John Cheshire,

    Thanks again for the kind words. Jeff suggested that he would probably pick up the pace around election time.

  32. DeadPolarBear says:

    Or at least club it into submission.

    With a chopstick!

  33. RTO Trainer says:

    I dunno Patrick. PH has betrayed somewhat more knowledge of the military than is believable in a real progressive.

  34. Ouroboros says:

    “…he’s the straw that stirs the drink”

    or like, the bong that…that.. that does something with the weed..

    ..nevermind.. I just drew a blank..

  35. happyfeet says:

    Does Tony ever read the blog? Also does Major John sound like Austin Bay when he talks?

  36. Karl says:

    Ouroboros,

    He’s like the bong who chills the weed.

    hf,

    Tony has checked out pw, but mostly uses the internet for sports info and to promote his stuff.

    I don’t know what Austin Bay sounds like so I can’t compare Maj. John. I can say that he — like I — apparently tends to write more formally than he speaks. Probably the legal background does that.

  37. Ouroboros says:

    Hey, is it true that Jeff was the inspiration for the movie “You Dont Mess With The Zohan”?

  38. Karl says:

    Ouroboros,

    Perhaps, though I think we agree that it would have been much funnier had Jeff written the screenplay.

  39. Jeff Spicoli says:

    Right on, Blogger Dude.. he totally, like chiiiilllss those cool buds..

  40. Ouroboros says:

    Zohan wasn’t bad for what it was.. simple Summer fare that had it’s moments but in general just stuck to a few lowest common denominator gutter jokes and sight gags and beat the same tune over and over..

    Now if Jeff had written it it would be funnier because it would be wittier and edgier and multi-layered..more cerebral.. and would have had more boobies and scenes involving (probably illegal) armadillo acts… and we could mull it over and discuss it.. and debate it.. and disagree over it..

    ..but then it wouldn’t be Zohan..

  41. Karl says:

    Right now, I’m just imagining filming a crowd that showed up to see the usual latest Sandler movie and getting one penned by Jeff.

  42. thor says:


    Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 6/27 @ 6:16 pm #

    – thor, my guess is that it isn’t Positive energy that you felt as much as the room vibrating from raucous laughter.

    My guess, Big Bang, is that the last time you felt anything vibrate there was a sex toy to blame.

    I’m off to toss back some 12-ounce bottles of chilled whup-ass with the gentry. When I return I will likely, if I choose to log-on, blather arrogantly and incoherently on subjects obtuse. Prepare your man-pussy, sport, and KK’s as well.

  43. Lisa says:

    I agree with John, Karl. You inmates do a great job keeping the asylum lively and completely engaging while the perfesser is off hanging out in Ocean City in his mankini.

    This is a really cool joint.

  44. Major John says:

    Thanks again to Karl for buying lunch! Jeff and Tony definitely would be quite useful in a hand to hand combat situation. I did get a huge kick out finding out that they both have the Total Billy Jack collection.

    Good guys, all three.

  45. Ouroboros says:

    Someone spotted Perfesser Caric in a mankini? Eeeewwwww.

  46. ProggressiveHero says:

    MJ…JAG?

  47. Major John says:

    PH,

    Nope. Prior enlisted Infantry, then Officer as OD and CA.

  48. RTO Trainer says:

    PH,

    You’ll find, or would if you cared to find out, that the Guard and Reserves are the repositories of some very diverse, and sometimes counterintuitive, skill sets.

  49. Topsecretk9 says:

    Sorry, ladies — it did not occur to me to bring the camera when I left this morning, so there are no shirtless photos of the hot Jew for you.

    Crap.

  50. serr8d says:

    This is a really cool joint.

    Yes, it is. Thanks, Karl, for bringing this report to post. And for your excellence in overall posting. This place is focusing like a fine forgotten Leica lens.

    Thor be damned; keep up your good work.

  51. Patrick Chester says:

    RTO Trainer wrote:

    I dunno Patrick. PH has betrayed somewhat more knowledge of the military than is believable in a real progressive.

    The acronyms are spreading. It’s possible Proggie stumbled upon it.

    Who knows? Maybe he reads techno-thrillers as some guilty pleasure.

  52. nishizonoshinji says:

    im a busy grrl this weekend, horse trials, but i have been followin Ross’ an Reihan’s new book coming out, the Grand New Party.
    Brooks column here.

    Among the many dark tidings for American conservatism, there is one genuine bright spot. Over the past five years, a group of young and unpredictable rightward-leaning writers has emerged on the scene.
    Skip to next paragraph

    David Brooks
    Go to Columnist Page »
    The Conversation

    Times columnists David Brooks and Gail Collins discuss the 2008 presidential race.
    All Conversations »

    These writers came of age as official conservatism slipped into decrepitude. Most of them were dismayed by what the Republican Party had become under Tom DeLay and seemed put off by the shock-jock rhetorical style of Ann Coulter. As a result, most have the conviction — which was rare in earlier generations — that something is fundamentally wrong with the right, and it needs to be fixed.

    Moreover, most of these writers did not rise through the official channels of the conservative or libertarian establishments. By and large, they didn’t do the internships or take part in the young leader programs that were designed to replenish “the movement.” Instead, they found their voices while blogging. The new technology allowed them to create a new sort of career path and test out opinions without much adult supervision.

    As a consequence, they are heterodox and hard to label. These writers grew up reading conservative classics — Burke, Hayek, Smith, C.S. Lewis — but have now splayed off in all sorts of quirky ideological directions.

    There are dozens of writers I could put in this group, but I’d certainly mention Yuval Levin, Daniel Larison, Will Wilkinson, Julian Sanchez, James Poulos, Megan McArdle, Matt Continetti and, though he’s a tad older, Ramesh Ponnuru.

    Ross Douthat and my former assistant, Reihan Salam, are two of the most promising. This pair has just come out with a book called “Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream.”

    Jeff is definitely in that cadre.

  53. nishizonoshinji says:

    Brooks

    anyhows, Manzi an I were talking…..i think i shall make a coolness map of the young consevatives.
    FYI, Goldstein and Allapundit are cool.
    Gerson and Levin are not.
    Megan McArdle is cool…..K-lo is uncool.
    Sanchez is cool…Douthat and Reihan are ubercool.
    Manzi is cool.

    Ponnuru, not so much….Goldberg is like….the anti-cool.

    Anyways, these guyz are the Hope of the republican party…..not Jindal.
    Jindal is shaping up to be a crackpot..ot mebbe he is working ovetime to escape mccains VP slot.
    who knows.

  54. ProggressiveHero says:

    Yes I stumbled upon them.

  55. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Anyways, these guyz are the Hope of the republican party

    Heh.

  56. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Also, Heh.

    How is it underneath that bus, nish? Smooth ride?

  57. The Lost Dog says:

    I have almost no heros anymore, but among the few that I have, Jeff is right nup there.

    Jeff, if you ever make to the NYC area (ick!), please e-mail me and let me know when. You are right up there with Keith Richards (who has a house about a mile from me) on my wish list.

    I am glad you don’t realize what a hero you are to countless people, because if you did, you would probasbly be just another idiot on the net.

    Look at your hits. Not many are anywhere near your class.

    Life comes through you, not from you, and I appreciate someone who instinctively knows that.

    Thank you a thousand times for PW!

  58. alppuccino says:

    im a busy grrl this weekend, horse trials

    They’re arresting horses now?

  59. eCurmudgeon says:

    I had considered writing about how hammered we got on tequila and body shots off the wait staff at one of the gentlemens’ clubs near the airport.

    Only because there aren’t any. Nor much of anything else near that airport, to be perfectly honest…

  60. MayBee says:

    It’s not too late for each of you to post your own shirtless photos.

  61. thor says:


    Comment by The Lost Dog on 6/27 @ 11:45 pm #

    I have almost no heros anymore, but among the few that I have, Jeff is right nup there.

    Jeff, if you ever make to the NYC area (ick!), please e-mail me and let me know when. You are right up there with Keith Richards (who has a house about a mile from me) on my wish list.

    I am glad you don’t realize what a hero you are to countless people, because if you did, you would probasbly be just another idiot on the net.

    Life comes through you, not from you, and I appreciate someone who instinctively knows that.

    Thank you a thousand times for PW!

    You Jesus-worship Keith Richards and Jeff? How rich thou gush. Do stick a tampon in it.

  62. Aldo says:

    Thanks again to Karl for buying lunch! Jeff and Tony definitely would be quite useful in a hand to hand combat situation.

    Zohan 2

  63. Jeff G. says:

    It was great meeting Karl and the Major (which, come to think of it, sounds like it should have been the title to a late 70s Lee Majors vehicle) under sober circumstances.

    Unfortunately, not every day in Chicago has seen my so (relatively) clear of mind — meaning that those of you interested in my nipples will almost certainly find them on YouTube at some point or another.

    Meanwhile, thor just seems to keep getting angrier and angrier — for reasons I suspect have something to do with having a tempestuously itchy vagina, and not a spot of salve to soothe it.

  64. happyfeet says:

    salve!

  65. Ric Locke says:

    …not a spot of salve…

    nO!. What thor needs is an eraser.

    The tabula rasa upon which he has projected the hopeychanginess in his heart is being written upon in some detail… and the words thus inscribed are, shall we say, incongruent with his fantasies. My son described a somewhat similar experience upon meeting Pamela Anderson in the flesh, as it were. Let us resolve to be supportive (“Awww, too bad, fellah”) in public, and keep the giggles offstage, eh?

    Regards,
    Ric

  66. B Moe says:

    Meanwhile, thor just seems to keep getting angrier and angrier — for reasons I suspect have something to do with having a tempestuously itchy vagina, and not a spot of salve to soothe it.

    The way his vibrator keeps randomly switching settings has to be irritating.

  67. nikkolai says:

    ‘Tis one of the coolest spots around. Thanks for the laughs.

  68. Darleen says:

    oh my, how I would have enjoyed just sitting at that lunch with y’all.

    Please, if any of you get to SoCal drop me an email. There are some fab places to eat or I can do almost gourmet at home — then there’s no danger of being kicked out of a restaurant for hogging the table and being conservative in public.

  69. MayBee says:

    oh my, how I would have enjoyed just sitting at that lunch with y’all.

    Please, if any of you get to SoCal drop me an email. There are some fab places to eat or I can do almost gourmet at home — then there’s no danger of being kicked out of a restaurant for hogging the table and being conservative in public.

    Yeah yeah yeah, someone come to SoCal (when I get back there of course). I want to go to Darleen’s house for some gourmet dinings!

  70. thor says:


    Comment by Jeff G. on 6/28 @ 8:23 am #

    Meanwhile, thor just seems to keep getting angrier and angrier — for reasons I suspect have something to do with having a tempestuously itchy vagina, and not a spot of salve to soothe it.

    Angry? Hell yes I’m angry. The fuck kind’a world do I live in? You have a web site and you’re a fun read, a neat-o sort’a guy probably, but if you and I meet I doubt I write of the experience of feeling you near, the warmth of your hand during a handshake, etc…

    Karl writes as if you two have just culminated a multi-year long romance-filled cyber-date while Lost Dog announces he sees you in the same light as a guitarist for the Rolling Stones. I never knew it was possible to have backstage blog groupies, frankly. Is it possible nowadays that you or some other blogger could get laid for free in titty bars and massages houses? It’s all the more fucked up seeing how I’m a guy who loves having stripper tittes pressed against my cheeks and forehead whereas you’d probably choose to watch a Billy Jack movie rather than even look at bouncing, young, over-sized stripper boobs. From the cheap seats witnessing this Jeff-as-Obama-worship oddity ain’t right! Blog-reading strippers giving you the free friction dances! How now brown cow

    All I can say is you are not my hero. Life itself, I doubt, goes through you. You’re not Kieth Richards to me, Bela Fleck maybe, but guitar hero no. You are Jeff Goldstein, the blogger dude, not some Tiger Woodsian figure. No sir Goldstein, until you win the U.S. Open on one leg I won’t be standing in line to pay for your nachos and beer.

  71. Cowboy says:

    Speaking of getting together, JD, are the plans for “PW Flyover Country I” any nearer completion?

  72. Cowboy says:

    thor:

    I had a friend in high school who constantly called into question the masculinity of any and all athletes.

    A few years after graduation, he came out of the closet.

    Just saying.

  73. thor says:

    My calling into question the masculinity of athletes? I originally went to college on a athletic scholarship. I’m a dumb jock from way back. If it wasn’t me who gave you nerdy pin heads the swirly after PE then it was someone like me.

  74. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    I originally went to college on a athletic scholarship.

    Greco-Roman wrestling, I’m guessing.

    Just because you seem like the kind of guy who’d be into that.

  75. CArin -BONC says:

    Unfortunately, not every day in Chicago has seen my so (relatively) clear of mind — meaning that those of you interested in my nipples will almost certainly find them on YouTube at some point or another

    Dicentra … if you see ’em, email me.

  76. thor says:

    Just because you seem like the kind of guy who’d be into that.

    You strike me as a Turkish wrestling type.

  77. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    You strike me as a bloviating ninny. At least this time you’re bragging about something that can’t be checked (quite) as easily as your claim to be a Set Theory Ghod.

    Of course, it’s brutally irrelevant to the topic under discussion, but one can’t have everything, I suppose.

    BTW, I was named All-American nine times, live in a 500 room mansion, and sleep with supermodels every night.

    Oh, yeah: that’s not true, and wouldn’t matter even if it were.

  78. nishizonoshinji says:

    sheesh….dont chu all wanna lecture me on the holocaust and sanger some more?
    Jindal is a freaking charismatic catholic and he is lobbying for castration of criminals.
    How is that not eugenics?

    the republican party is on self-destruct.
    do you know why?
    religion is simply anti-pathetic to liberty.
    how can the repubs be the libertarian party if the theocons are anti-liberty?
    all this crap about the founders bein xian.
    pure bullshit.
    it is all about teh power.
    and your going down.

  79. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Nishi:

    Heh.

    Also: Heh.

    Hear that loud double THUMP-THUMP sound? That’s you going under the bus, honey.

  80. Aldo says:

    Hey Nishi

    I got our book. I’ll put up a discussion thread over at the Pub after I’ve had a chance to look it over.

    Meanwhile, check this out:

    I don’t want to give advice to people about their religious beliefs, but I do think that it’s not smart to bet against the power of science to figure out the natural world. It used to be, a thousand years ago, that if you wanted to explain why the moon moved through the sky, you needed to invoke God.

    And then Galileo and Newton came along and realized that there was conservation of momentum, so things tend to keep moving.

    Nowadays people say, “Well, you certainly can’t explain the creation of the universe without invoking God,” and I want to say, “Don’t bet against it.”

    Check this

  81. Slartibartfast says:

    Bela Fleck is a banjo hero. He does shit on the banjo that it doesn’t occur to anyone else to do on the guitar. Keith Richards, on the other hand, is a competent, workmanlike musician who’s somehow passed over from overdose to chemical preservation.

    Listen to Fleck sometime; really listen. I recommend a live show. Actually, scratch that, because there’s so much jaw-dropping goodness coming from the rest of the band that you might barely notice in passing that during Futureman’s drum solo, Fleck is playing some time-and-key-signature-adjusted swatch of a classical piece as backdrop, perfectly plucked and fretted, just because he can.

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