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Yes, DC, there is a right to bear arms [Karl]

The Supreme Court has struck down the District of Columbia’s 32-year-old ban on handguns, ruling 5-4 that Americans have an individual right to own guns for self-defense and hunting — the Cort’s first major pronouncement on gun rights in US history.

Lyle Denniston adds at SCOTUS Blog:

Justice Scalia’s opinion stressed that the Court was not casting doubt on long-standing bans on carrying a concealed gun or on gun possession by felons or the mentally retarded, on laws barring guns from schools or government buildings, and laws putting conditions on gun sales.

And if you were planning on getting a machine gun?  Sorry.  Tom Goldstein (no relation to Jeff, afaik) has quotes, adding that the opinion technically does not answer the issue as to state laws (though it likely applies).  SCOTUS Blog has a download link.

Barack Obama’s campaign denounced as “inartful” a statement to the Chicago Tribune last year in which an unnamed aide characterized Obama’s position as believing that the DC ban was constitutional.

“Inartful” is the new “overheated.”

Update: Glenn Reynolds tends to think that the decision takes guns off the table in the general election.  Based on the comments here and elsewhere, I think it is a 5-4 decision that alerts 2nd Amendment types and others as to how important the inevitable Supreme Court nominations are.  Also, Bob Owens notes that a David Ehrenstein — perhaps he of “magic negro” fame — has suggested that people shoot Justice Scalia if he comes anywhere near their homes.

Update x2: Allahpundit has lovely video of Obama nodding in agreement in February as an interviewer reminds him that he supports the DC ban, plus Obama today desperately dodging questions as to whether he agrees with overturning the ban in DC.

241 Replies to “Yes, DC, there is a right to bear arms [Karl]”

  1. JD says:

    4 of the Supreme Court Justices cannot read the fucking Constitution, which is still quite a concern.

  2. Karl says:

    I get the sense that JD is a “glass is four-ninths empty” sort of guy.

    ;-)

  3. psycho... says:

    None of them can read it (and only Thomas occasionally tries).

    There’s no fucking ‘tard-disarmament clause.

  4. grouch says:

    “We know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding “interest-balancing” approach. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government—even the
    Third Branch of Government—the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon.

    A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all. Constitutional rights are enshrined with the scope they were understood to have when the people adopted them, whether or not future legislatures or even future judges think that scope too broad.”

    TAKE THAT! YA BLODDY BASTICHES!!!!!!1111one

  5. Urainium238 says:

    I’m sure Barry O’s reactions will be “That’s not the DC gun ban i knew.”

  6. ProggHero says:

    Now all those bitter people in DC can go back to clinging to their guns after 32 years of just clinging to bibles.

  7. JHoward says:

    Well, the first five comments made sense…

  8. dre says:

    “Inartful” is the new “overheated.”

    Change you can believe in ™

  9. bigbooner says:

    I think JD has it right. That four of these idiots got it wrong is a cause for concern.

  10. mojo says:

    Actually, it looks like “inartful” (lawyerese for ‘not slippery enough’) is the new “inoperative”. John Dean heard it and turned white as a ghost…

  11. JD says:

    After that abomination that they issued yesterday in re. Louisiana, where they again assumed the role of Legislators-in-Chief, it was not surprising that 4 of the 9 were still acting in such a wretched manner on this ruling.

    But, I am glad that the 5 of the Justices that can read were there.

  12. ProggHero says:

    I was figuring inartful would be right by distraction in the new Obama dictionary to be released this fall.

  13. Semanticleo says:

    “Yes, DC, there is a right to bear arms’

    Yes Mr President, there is a right to arm bears.

    Maybe you guys could perform a public service and offer streaming
    video of the HJC as Yoo and ‘Puff’ Addington try to defend their
    ‘constitutionl’ perogatives.

    It’s a real hoot to watch masters of Plausible Denialism at work. [

  14. Dread Cthulhu says:

    In no particular order of importance…

    psycho: “There’s no fucking ‘tard-disarmament clause.”

    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights was written at a time when folks would have been ill-inclined to allow crazy Uncle Hezikiah access to a flintlock.

    Additionally, as stated by Justice Jackson once upon a time, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.

    Progg Hero: “Now all those bitter people in DC can go back to clinging to their guns after 32 years of just clinging to bibles.”

    Given the large numbers of DC citizens slain by criminals during the period under which the local populace were limited to clinging only to Bibles, I’d say that today’s court decision is a practical improvement. They do say the God helps those who help themselves…

  15. JD says:

    I’m sure Barry O’s reactions will be “That’s not the DC gun ban i knew.”

    Actually, he is more likely to say “That’s not the Constitution I knew”, right before tossing it under the back of the bus.

  16. JD says:

    SemenCleo is wasted.

  17. Dread Cthulhu says:

    JD: “Actually, he is more likely to say “That’s not the Constitution I knew”, right before tossing it under the back of the bus.”

    Do the wheels of the bus still touch the ground anymore, what with all the people and things that Barry has thrown under the bus?

  18. JD says:

    Dread – Since he is throwing everyone under the back of the bus, they serve as human traction strips.

  19. Roboc says:

    Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 9:19 am #

    Now all those bitter people in DC can go back to clinging to their guns after 32 years of just clinging to bibles.

    Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 4:57 am #

    How long till you figure they rule the 2nd unconstitutional? Hahahahahha.

    You’ve exceeded your idiot quotient today.

  20. Dread Cthulhu says:

    JD: “Since he is throwing everyone under the back of the bus, they serve as human traction strips.”

    Okay, folks — important safety tip, folks — don’t stand behind the bus!!

  21. Ouroboros says:

    Woo Hoo! Good sense and plain English win for once..!

    I’m dancing around the office right now… firing my AK in the air and doing that weird ululating thing! lalalalalalalalllala!

  22. Roboc says:

    Okay, folks — important safety tip, folks — don’t stand behind the bus!!

    More like, don’t be standing within arms reach of O! when he’s about to throw someone under the back of the bus!

  23. Semanticleo says:

    Sociopaths, it is said, often can defeat polygraphs, but poker players
    can read their tells.

    Act I Scene II of the Plame trials.

    Act III Scene I for the revised conclusion of Iran/Contra.

    It’s gonna get interesting. Reeeaaalllll interesting.

  24. Karl says:

    Cleo likes him some show trials!

  25. Ric Locke says:

    Bah. My prediction, at Volokh and elsewhere, stands as an interpretation: The right to keep and bear arms is an individual right, but anything a Legislature may come up with counts as “well-regulated”. The result is to enumerate a useless “right” that can be regulated, licensed, and restricted out of practical existence at the whim of anybody with the Holy Seal of Approval® as a Government Official&tm;. Scalia makes a truly notable effort, employing not merely lipstick but the full arsenal of the makeup artist, but the pig remains a pig.

    Regards,
    Ric

  26. BJTex says:

    Semanticsclueless is significantly more obtuse today.

    I blame Global Warming and JD, but not Katrina.

  27. Indeed.
    Four of the nine decided that citizens have no right to self-protection, but scumbags that rape children have no fear from being put out of their misery.
    The Left is truly at war with common sense.
    An Obama Presidency that would potentially nominate more of these idiots is frightening.

  28. Roboc says:

    Sociopaths, it is said, often can defeat polygraphs, but poker players
    can read their tells.

    Act I Scene II of the Plame trials.

    Act III Scene I for the revised conclusion of Iran/Contra.

    It’s gonna get interesting. Reeeaaalllll interesting.

    Jeff, I demand less coherence from PW trolls, especially the reeeeeaaallly interesting ones!

  29. mojo says:

    I love people who are unaware of older, possibly antiquated meanings on the word “regulated”…

    Example: A “well-regulated” watch is one in good working order, that keeps good time – not one built and operated according to government regulations.

  30. Semanticleo says:

    “…some show trials!”

    Well, fresh air and sunshine make good disinfectants….or would you
    prefer secret trials?

    What am I saying? Of course you want a Dark Courtroom.

  31. Roboc says:

    Maybe we need a “Wayback Machine”! Mr. Peabody…Sherman…Bueller?

  32. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by Semanticleo on 6/26 @ 9:30 am #

    Do you speak English?

  33. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by Semanticleo on 6/26 @ 9:45 am #

    “The Taming of the Shrew”

    Act 2 Scene 2: “Get thee to a Fucktardary”

  34. ProggHero says:

    Well if I am a parody that guy is a flipping nutcase.

  35. Roboc says:

    How did he miss the Renaissance Fair?

  36. N. O'Brain says:

    “#Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 10:06 am #

    Well if I am a parody that guy is a flipping nutcase.”

    You’re no parody.

    You’re just a poor pitiful lonely reactionary fascist.

  37. cranky-d says:

    Hey, now I get it. This place makes him vomit, but he keeps coming back.

    Bulimia it is!

  38. Roboc says:

    Comment by N. O’Brain on 6/26 @ 10:12 am #

    “#Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 10:06 am #

    Well if I am a parody that guy is a flipping nutcase.”

    You’re no parody.

    You’re just a poor pitiful lonely reactionary fascist.

    N. O’Brain, you forgot the “hahahahaha” at the end!

  39. J. Peden says:

    It’s a real hoot to watch masters of Plausible Denialism at work.

    Close, but watching Obama being “artful” is more of what I would call a necessary perversion.

  40. Slartibartfast says:

    Cleo likes him some show trials!

    I took him for more of a show tunes kind of guy.

  41. Roboc says:

    Hey, now I get it. This place makes him vomit, but he keeps coming back.

    Bulimia it is!

    Serial Bulimist!

  42. cranky-d says:

    See, he’s not trying to be annoying, just trying to lose some weight. Good luck, ProggHero!

  43. Radish says:

    I wonder if the Chicago aldermen are soiling their drawers.

    At least they can still ban water…

  44. ProggHero says:

    Funny the patting of the back that is going on here considering that you guys are one justice away from having to join the National Guard to keep a weapon.

  45. Karl says:

    Radish,

    Alderman Dick Mell is probably relieved that he didn’t need his own amnesty bill for his arsenal.

  46. Karl says:

    PH,

    Try comments 1, 9, 25, 27…

  47. Awful, awful decision. The 60s and 70s, especially in New York City, ought to have proved once and for all that police paperwork after the crime is all the protection a citizen needs.

  48. Karl says:

    PH,

    You might also consider that being “one justice away from having to join the National Guard to keep a weapon” is probably not something proggs want to be broadcasting over the next four months or so.

  49. JD says:

    I denounce Slarti for being a homophobe, and BJ for well … just the principle of it.

  50. Puck says:

    “Funny the patting of the back that is going on here considering that you guys are one justice away from having to join the National Guard to keep a weapon.”

    So, you’re saying that stare decisis doesn’t matter? Excellent news. Someone get that Roe v. Wade case down from the shelf. Time for a little jurisprudential cleanup.

  51. Roboc says:

    I denounce Slarti for being a homophobe, and BJ for well … just the principle of it.

    So now you got to be sexual orientation neutral as well?

  52. Semanticleo says:

    “Close, but watching Obama being “artful” is more of what I would call a necessary perversion.”

    That’s a necessary concomitant. But I would have thought you folks would find that an appealing quality.

    Or is your contempt a disguised envy that he’s not YOUR Nazi?

  53. JD says:

    PH – I am not the least bit happy that 4 fucking SC Justices cannot read or understand our country’s foundational documents.

  54. JD says:

    What the fuck is SemenKKKleo babbling about? Is there a nationwide shortage of lithium,

  55. Great Banana says:

    “Funny the patting of the back that is going on here considering that you guys are one justice away from having to join the National Guard to keep a weapon.”

    this is what is wrong with liberalism in a nutshell. Instead of believing in the constitution and wanting to believe the clearly enumerated rights therein are sacrosanct, the left believes that the constitution is a blank slate to be re-written at will by the supremem court, making the supreme court just another political machine.

    And they wonder why we think that they are the real fascists. Are any of our constitutional rights safe from attack by the left once they gain power and a truly liberal majority sits on the supreme court? Apparently not. For some reason the only “constitutional” right the left believes in is abortion, which of course is mentioned nowhere in the document itself.

  56. ProggHero says:

    I have a question. How come it is ok to regulate guns, but somehow the same people for that get all crazy when people try to regulate late term abortions? Or vice versa?

  57. Education Guy says:

    A gun is not like a baby, and likewise a baby is not like a gun.

  58. Roboc says:

    Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 10:33 am #

    I have a question. How come it is ok to regulate guns, but somehow the same people for that get all crazy when people try to regulate late term abortions? Or vice versa?

    Clinging to guns and the Bible go hand-in-hand. Remember? Did your index cards get out of order?

  59. The Lost Dog says:

    “4 of the Supreme Court Justices cannot read the fucking Constitution, which is still quite a concern.”

    I agree, JD, but we certainly can’t say we are surprised. And I don’t think it’s so much a problem of literacy as it is a problem of four people on the SCOTUS think of the constitution as a roll of toilet paper.

  60. Great Banana says:

    I have a question. How come it is ok to regulate guns, but somehow the same people for that get all crazy when people try to regulate late term abortions? Or vice versa?

    because abortion is to be found nowhere in the constitution and is not a real constitutional right and should be left to the state legislatures to decide (and of course, the fact that a baby is being murdered), whereas the right to keep and bear arms is explicitly stated in the constitution.

  61. ProggHero says:

    Yeah my index cards are all sticky with the hot mess of CHANGE I shot all over my hand.

  62. Roboc says:

    Now you have something to put in your mouth!

  63. Semanticleo says:

    “Are any of our constitutional rights safe from attack by the left once they gain power and a truly liberal majority sits on the supreme court? Apparently not. For some reason the only “constitutional” right the left believes in is abortion, which of course is mentioned nowhere in the document itself.”

    The Pendulum is set to swing according to the political laws of Physics. Marx disagreed with Hegel (who believed it was a continuous
    activity, rather than Das Kapital’s opinion that it would swing only till it reached full left.)

    I agree with Hegel. 180 degrees of separation is here and WingNut Nation is due for a clubbing. But, knowing the Dialectic will eventually return to your favor, we will carefully observe all your
    civil rights during our tenure. Relax, it won’t hurt as much as you think.

  64. The Lost Dog says:

    “Comment by Semanticleo on 6/26 @ 9:30 am #

    “Yes, DC, there is a right to bear arms’

    Yes Mr President, there is a right to arm bears.

    Maybe you guys could perform a public service and offer streaming
    video of the HJC as Yoo and ‘Puff’ Addington try to defend their
    ‘constitutionl’ perogatives.

    It’s a real hoot to watch masters of Plausible Denialism at work.”

    And it’s an even bigger hoot to watch Semanticleoism at work

  65. ProggHero says:

    Comment by Great Banana on 6/26 @ 10:37 am #

    I have a question. How come it is ok to regulate guns, but somehow the same people for that get all crazy when people try to regulate late term abortions? Or vice versa?

    because abortion is to be found nowhere in the constitution and is not a real constitutional right and should be left to the state legislatures to decide (and of course, the fact that a baby is being murdered), whereas the right to keep and bear arms is explicitly stated in the constitution.

    Well that is why I asked the question. The 2nd is pretty cut and dry if you read it “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. Meanwhile the hidden interstatechangeyunlawfulsearchandseizureabortion amendment can not in any way shape or form be regulated. And meanwhile you gun nuts all want to get your creepy gun oiled bible smelling hands up in womens business. From what I can tell both these issues are just going to be bandied about until my side gets one more justice up there and then you are f@$#ed. Cause the only stare decisis that matters is the ones we decide.

  66. MarkD says:

    I was quite amused when that idiot columnist Carl Rowan was busted in DC for brandishing a gun at his own house. Self defense for me, but not for thee.

    The police are under no obligation to protect you. I looked at the Constitution, and I couldn’t find any obligation to die because somebody might be offended if I chose to protect myself and my family.

    When the elites give up their privileges (like when Teddy Kennedy gives up his bodyguards and stands trial for DWI, Manslaughter, and Leaving the Scene) I will listen to their arguments. Until such time, I guess I’ll just run my own life.

    Does this mean Jim Webb’s bodyguard is off the hook for carrying in DC? Do they expunge criminal records for those convicted of violating an unconstitutional law?

  67. Log Cabin says:

    This ruling illustrates why I am forced to vote for McCain, horse’s ass though he truly is. Ginsburg and Stevens are hanging on, each with a foot in the grave, hoping (but never praying, that would be wrong!) for O! to select their replacements.

    I’m not confident McCain could get a nominee who has actually read the constitution through the Senate, but at least there is a chance.

  68. Education Guy says:

    Cause the only stare decisis that matters is the ones we decide.

    Don’t think this has gone unnoticed.

  69. The Lost Dog says:

    “Sociopaths, it is said, often can defeat polygraphs, but poker players
    can read their tells.

    Act I Scene II of the Plame trials.

    Act III Scene I for the revised conclusion of Iran/Contra.

    It’s gonna get interesting. Reeeaaalllll interesting.”

    Semanticleo –

    Isn’t it a little early to be this that toasted? I usually don’t get incoherent until after the bars close.

  70. McGehee says:

    Y’all go easy on Semanticleo. You know how she gets when her world-view is refuted by events — have a little sensitivity.

  71. Rick Ballard says:

    Log Cabin,

    The deal is whether one more Kennedy (or a Miers) will stem the tide. McCain might put up a Roberts or Alito but when they get knocked down we’ll be seeing no better than another Kennedy. McCain has a handful of sycophantic allies in the Senate but he has earned the enmity of a substantial portion of the Republican caucus.

    That said – he’s ten times better than the Vibrator.

  72. Semanticleo says:

    “Isn’t it a little early…..”

    It’s always too early for you, JD and N’OB. I don’t write for Remedial Students.

  73. The Lost Dog says:

    “Well if I am a parody that guy is a flipping nutcase.”

    ProggZero,

    Parody or not, that is the first time you ever made me laugh.

  74. Thomass says:

    Comment by Roboc on 6/26 @ 9:39 am #

    “More like, don’t be standing within arms reach of O! when he’s about to throw someone under the back of the bus!”

    What’s this under the back bus cr*p. You throw people under the bus in the front. More opportunities for traction and compaction (of the current problem/s).

  75. The Lost Dog says:

    “Cause the only stare decisis that matters is the ones we decide.”

    Thank you, ProggZero, for defining pregressives in a nutshell.

  76. Clint says:

    It’s not that they can’t read them, it’s just that you’re not reading them correctly. Similar to the professor who told me that “Kant’s great if he’s read right!” You just have to look for the meaning, as those four justices did. They searched and they found. Thankfully they were in the minority in this decision.

    Perhaps it’s just my particular viewpoint, but I think you attribute too much to ignorance what is better ascribed to a corrupt philosophy. As our recent ProggSuperHero is showing us (hopefully intentionally), the entire Progg/Tranzi philosophy is one of reduction of individual rights and more reliance on our benevolent government to show us the way to enlightenment. To say that the minority decision comes from one where they can’t read the Constitution is lessen their philosophy which should be confronted not dismissed.

    I, for one, am all for PH shouting from the rooftops that we are “one justice away from having to join the National Guard to keep a weapon”. Let us see clearly what their true intentions are and evaluate them on their (lack of) merits. Let Barack throw people under his Hopitude Express and do it in the full view of the American public. Put a mic under his face everytime he declares that someone has radically changed in the last five minutes. These will allow people to see how clearly they want control, control not only of government, but of your everyday lives.

    I also, look forward to this decision being extended to other places such as Chicago. (Where to combat recent gang violence the mayor and police commissioner want to put M-4s in the hands of the patrol officers…)

  77. Roboc says:

    There’s always reverse.

  78. JHoward says:

    But, knowing the Dialectic will eventually return to your favor, we will carefully observe all your civil rights during our tenure.

    All of ’em? List, please.

    Just to be sure. Because the first list got changed to mean other stuff too often.

  79. Cave Bear says:

    Is it my imagination, or is Semanticlit even more incoherent than usual today. Not one of his posts have made any sense whatsoever. So sad…

  80. Ouroboros says:

    For you mentally challenged Red-Staters that incorrectly believe that you understand the complex wording of the Bill of Rights let me expand the wording with a few single syllable additions that will make it easier for you to get your minds around the progressive spirit of the document.

    The vague wording;

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Properly translates into progressive newspeak as;

    A well regulated {killbot} Militia, being necessary {until we find a way to get rid of it altogether} to the security of a free State, the right of the{little} People to keep {in the governments possession} and bear {under government lock and key} Arms, shall not be infringed {except by liberal judges friendly to the sacred Progressive cause of Liberal Fascism}.

    Hope that clears things up for you.

  81. TheGeezer says:

    The Pendulum is set to swing according to the political laws of Physics.

    Physic has political laws? Apparently you don’t write for remedial students because authorities permitting that could be criminally liable for aiding and abetting ignorance and stupidity.

    Also, you may want to revise your understanding of dialectical materialism, at least to the point at which you can stop dropping names as the alternaive to comprehension.

  82. BJTex says:

    So, you’re saying that stare decisis doesn’t matter? Excellent news. Someone get that Roe v. Wade case down from the shelf. Time for a little jurisprudential cleanup.

    Now, now you should have been paying attention to Arlen Specter during Robert’s confirmation hearing. He was very clear that Roe v. Wade was a super precedent.

    Heh, the look that Roberts gave him was priceless.

    Show of hands: Is there anything in proggieparody’s chest beating proclamations that doesn’t clearly identify him as a “Liberal Fascist?” (other than recognizing that semiconscious is teh batshit crazee)

    Anyone? Anything? Bueller?

  83. The Lost Dog says:

    “Comment by Semanticleo on 6/26 @ 10:57 am #

    “Isn’t it a little early…..”

    It’s always too early for you, JD and N’OB. I don’t write for Remedial Students.”

    Oh. My. God!

    What a zinger, (c)leo! How will I face the world after my soul has been torn asunder by such a devastating comment? I am ruined, I tell you, just RUINED!

    OH! The humiliation!

    BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA – URP! I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth, hoser.

  84. Sematicletus says:

    Yee Haw! I can start wearing my wife beaters again and show off my new Obama tattoo! Hot Damn!

  85. ProggHero says:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Honestly, if i was going to interpert that one the first sentence would not be taken for a reasoning why the right of the people shall not be infringed, but as the reasoning to infringe it. Per say a few tweaks with the meaning of People to such a degree as it will no longer mean person.

  86. Education Guy says:

    Cleo is teacher 2.0 in the model of post modern education. You aren’t supposed to learn from him, you are supposed to stand in awe of his knowledge and parrot his methods. Duh!

  87. ProggHero says:

    Cleo every time you post a comment you make me wanna go out and grab a McCain bumpersticker.

  88. TheGeezer says:

    Honestly, if i was going to interpert that one the first sentence would not be taken for a reasoning why the right of the people shall not be infringed, but as the reasoning to infringe it. Per say a few tweaks with the meaning of People to such a degree as it will no longer mean person.

    That’s it. PH is now on the nishi list. Third grade sentence constructions push him over the top.

  89. ProggHero says:

    Well as long as cleo isn’t on this nishi list I will be totally fine with it. This guy sounds like the freakin Uni-bomber.

  90. Ouroboros says:

    people does not really mean people per say [sic].. It means, you know.. like the collective PEOPLE as represented by the government..

    hahahahaahaha! I love it! Jeff you’ve really outdone yourself with this latest parody.. You should be taken this in SNL or Mad TV..

  91. ProggHero says:

    Dude I ain’t Jeff.

  92. Ouroboros says:

    Should read “taking this to SNL”.. I was chuckling at PH and typod.. my bad.

  93. JD says:

    It’s always too early for you, JD and N’OB. I don’t write for Remedial Students.

    How about we make a deal? Whenever you are rambling incoherently, you have to promise that at least one of us, preferably you, knows what in the fuck you are talking about.

  94. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Anyone notice the ruling said nothing about licensing? DC is liberal. As (I think it was Ed Morrissey) noted, the process will be the only one worse than the DMV. Sure you can now get a firearm license in DC…the processing delay will now be 50 years.

    The ruling has great substance, but no weight.

  95. ProggHero says:

    Cleo you give those of us who call bush an idiot a bad name.

  96. Sematicletus says:

    Yeah my index cards are all sticky with the hot mess of CHANGE I shot all over my hand.

    My money is still on Verc.

  97. B Moe says:

    Mine too.

  98. N. O'Brain says:

    “Or is your contempt a disguised envy that he’s not YOUR Nazi?”

    Well, ok, if OUR Nazi believes in free markets, property rights, individual rights and limited government, I’m there.

    Or maybe you can’t speak English.

  99. The Lost Dog says:

    “Honestly, if i was going to interpert that one the first sentence would not be taken for a reasoning why the right of the people shall not be infringed, but as the reasoning to infringe it. Per say a few tweaks with the meaning of People to such a degree as it will no longer mean person.”

    Well, proggs are notorious for finding meaning without the benefit of knowing (or maybe ignoring) American history, so why should anyone be surprised that you would interperet the second amendment that way?

    With any knowledge of American history and the founders, you would know that your interpretation is ridiculous, at best. But then again, perhaps your knowledge of American history was imparted to you by the very people who hate America and what it has always stood for.

    It just seems that most of the sheep who have been “educated” since the early seventies have a problem with facts and logic.

    Dummies!

  100. ProggHero says:

    Well this is certainly no SUPER precident thats for sure Lamont. As Pelosi just said they can use the schools to ban guns now. The new school zone will be 10 miles. You wingers better stop patting yourselves on the back about this one.

  101. N. O'Brain says:

    “And meanwhile you gun nuts all want to get your creepy gun oiled bible smelling hands up in womens business.”

    Wow.

    Jealous much?

  102. N. O'Brain says:

    Comment by Semanticleo on 6/26 @ 10:57 am #

    You never answer my question: do you speak English?

  103. N. O'Brain says:

    I have a feeling that an Obama Supreme Court would find the Constitution Unconstitutional.

  104. Roboc says:

    Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 11:41 am #

    Well this is certainly no SUPER precident thats for sure Lamont. As Pelosi just said they can use the schools to ban guns now. The new school zone will be 10 miles. You wingers better stop patting yourselves on the back about this one.

    Isn’t today LARP day?

  105. happyfeet says:

    It seems wrong to me for those four judges to tell the people of D.C. that they don’t have a right to protect themselves, crime being what it is there.

    In 2005, U.S. Supreme Court Justices Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas asked Congress to increase the court’s budget so it could hire 11 more police officers — including one new officer assigned just to assess threats against justices.*

    Ginsberg I guess thinks she’s more specialer than those other people around where she lives. What a racist cooze.

  106. N. O'Brain says:

    “#Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 11:36 am #

    Cleo you give those of us who call bush an idiot a bad name.”

    Now, now, FascistZero, don’t go insulting your ideological brother.

  107. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    “Dude I ain’t Jeff.”

    Well then you sir are a liberal unicorn! Some of us just thought it impossible that ANYONE could be that kind of universialy obnoxious and at the same time display full on weapons-grade dumb (well, maybe over at the DU but still). Not to mention foster regurgitative debating skills found only in loaded diaper four year olds in the midst of a tantrum.

    Most ignore you because responding is like competeing in the Special Olympics. Sure we win, but we just ran the race against a retard.

  108. ProggHero says:

    Tonight is, why you wanna join we need a good 6th that is good at stitching cloaks and tunics.

  109. happyfeet says:

    Oh. *Ginsburg* … but a racist cooze no matter how you spell it.

  110. Lisa says:

    The phrase “you wingnuts” like “you people” generally indicates that the statement that contains it is very likely bullshit.

    Just sayin.

  111. JD says:

    Sugartits! How are you today?

  112. Lisa says:

    J-Smoove!!! I am golden, thank you. How are you, sir?

  113. CArin -BONC says:

    I can see the new campaign slogans:

    “We’re just one justice away from having to join the National Guard to keep a weapon”
    Vote McCain ’08

    Let’s print ’em up!

  114. Sematicletus says:

    The phrase “you wingnuts” like “you people” generally indicates that the statement that contains it is very likely bullshit.

    VOTE FER OBAMA. ’08
    HE AIN’T LIKE YOU PEOPLE.

  115. BJTex says:

    Lisa: Costume yet? (he asked with great anticipation)

    blah, blah, denounced, sexist, blah blah, patriarchy, yada, yada.

  116. CArin -BONC says:

    The new school zone will be 10 miles. You wingers better stop patting yourselves on the back about this one.

    Super COOL, Progg. And, when that day comes, you can come visit my house in Detroit. There is a school a few blocks away. I’m sure a gun ban would make my neighborhood SUPERDUPER safe!! Of course, the fourth of JUly is coming up. I don’t recommend you visit then … I think a bunch of God and bible clinging rednecks invade the ‘hoods to shoot of their guns on that day.

  117. Ouroboros says:

    Isn’t Jeff stoned and drunk on a plane today? I can just see him sitting with his laptop jerkin our chains with the ProggyHero parody from 30,000 ft… either that or his addict Ardvaark is on a bender and sneaking on the ‘puter while Jeff’s away… He is a pretty witty little shit.

  118. N. O'Brain says:

    I just realized…..

    Has anyone ever called for sane, sensible newspaper control?

  119. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Let me guess. PH and clueless cleo are opposing Hillery – Obama supporters. I was wondering when the cat fight would spill over into our resident drones/trolls/parodites.

    “Now all those bitter people in DC can go back to clinging to their guns after 32 years of just clinging to bibles.”

    – Dja’ever notice who gets nervous when the citizenry are given their constitutional rights to bear arms. Now I wonder why ever that would be.

    – When you try to fuck with our very lives and country I suppose you have a good reason to be nervous concerning an angry citizenry.

    – Todays word is “Copperhead”…Can you say Copperhead and use it in a sentence kids?

    – BTW, Obamarama just flipped his flop again coming out in support of the Constitutional right to bear ruling, already saying he would favor the change it will bring in Chicago.

    – Well isn’t that the shits. The Left just took another giant kick in the stones by their “Changiness” candidate.

    – At the rate O! is changing, by election time he’ll be way to the right of McDinosaur, then where will the nutroots be? OMG – Obama is a LINO and a DINO. Anyone got Hillery’s cell phone number?

  120. Radish says:

    “And meanwhile you gun nuts all want to get your creepy gun oiled bible smelling hands up in womens business.”

    If that business is “allowing them to defend themselves against muggers and rapists and violent ex-husbands instead of dying waiting for the police to show up (if the 911 dispatcher even bothers to send them)”, I say FUCK YEAH.

  121. Aldo says:

    The phrase “you wingnuts” like “you people” generally indicates that the statement that contains it is very likely bullshit.

    In the thread about Obama citing the bible in support of his politics, (and getting it wrong), one prog commenter conceded that the idea of Reverend Wright’s congregation cheering the BLT was disturbing, but ultimately the commenter concluded that after all the history of racial oppression “those people” have a right to “lash out.”

    When I read that comment I thought of you and wondered what you would think of this generous special dispensation that the progs are willing to give you to “lash out” in ways that they themselves believe are wrong.

  122. ProggHero says:

    Well you do know BBH that Obama is just following the example of all the Dems that won in the southern states. Sprinkle that in with how low bush’s poll numbers are with a dash of how much closer McCain is to my line of thinking than yours and you got the perfect recipe. Hell Obama should just mimic everything McCain says, then just say change or failed bush polices of the past afterwards. That is about all it will take.

  123. TheGeezer says:

    Dear Lisa. Hopefully all over the nasty cold? I told you the brandy snifter lets the Nyquil breathe. Especially if a little dribbles sensuously over the lip, like an emerald of love waiting patiently for a gentle kiss to smooth it into a warm and cherished memory…

  124. ProggHero says:

    TheGeezer I would rather proudly tell the world I LARP then type what you just typed.

  125. Dian Fossey says:

    Hmm. After three or more days of observing this new species, ProgressiveHero, I must admit he’s a peculiar one. Full of false bravado, brandishing insults and the vicious beating to death of caricatures, he nonetheless seems a bit unsure of his surroundings. When being called out as a parody, he seems bewildered and becomes so disoriented he starts insulting his fellow traveler, Semenswallower.

    How very odd.

  126. N. O'Brain says:

    “Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 12:15 pm #

    Well you do know BBH that Obama is just following the example of all the Dems that won in the southern states.”

    He’s a segregationist?

    Who knew?

  127. ProggHero says:

    Wouldn’t you insult someone that makes you actually feel like a parody Dian? If this guy is a fellow traveler I want off the bus.

  128. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    “how much closer McCain is to my line of thinking than yours..”

    Except for drilling. And the economy. And the right to bear arms. And Iraq/A-stan. And he and his family dedicating their lives to a “brainwashing cult designed to kill brown people.”

    You are without a doubt the dumbest sonofabitch on Earth.

  129. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “…then just say change or failed bush polices of the past afterwards.”

    – I really wish some one would give those confused clowns over at the DNC a good whack with the cluebat, and paint “He’s not fucking running again assholes!” in 50 foot red letters on the front of their building.

  130. Semenswallower says:

    I am NOT a fellow traveler. For anyone. I walk alone…

    I wonder what latex instruments PH uses while LARPing?

  131. CArin -BONC says:

    I’d like to be able to say, Progg, that you can Cleao share ideology, but to be honest, most of the time I can’t tell what the frak he’s talking about. He’s more of a drive-by sniper.

  132. Pablo says:

    Meanwhile, in The Land of Obama:

    Mayor Daley calls Supreme Court’s gun-ban reversal ‘a very frightening decision’

    The city of Chicago, which has had its own ban on handgun ownership since 1982, had filed a brief with the court in support of the ban in January.

    Chicago Police Department statistics show that from 2004 to November 2007 there were 43,685 firearms-related violent crimes in the city.”

    Why can’t Dickie read?

  133. Jim in KC says:

    Between this and the 1939 Miller decision, I’m headed out to buy a surplus tank. That should have a serious beneficial effect on the balance of power in my neighborhood…

  134. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – After watching Hillery on the stage today, trying so very hard to look happy and upbeat as she supposidly threw her support Obama, but the look on her face, a frozen smile, looking more like someone had just forced her to swallow a cup of belladonna, laced with Obamashit, I don’t think the fight is at all over.

    – Hillery’s supporters, every bit as strong as Obama’s, as the popular vote proved, are just laying in the tall grass waiting for the Convention.

    – We’re going to need a ton of Redenbachers best, with butter and jalopenia cheese topping.

  135. TheGeezer says:

    “The court notes that is not required to consider whether the 2nd Amendment also applies to state and local government, and therefore it does not consider that question”

    Interesting idea. Is this that narrow in scope? Is the fact that D.C. is not a “home rule” entity make the ruling narrow, applying only to areas under Federal government control? I wonder if Roe v. Wade was that narrow, but we never realized it until now?

  136. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Which would mean that all abortions are only legal in DC, Puerto Rico, Okinawa, and Guantanamo. Heh. Yes, interesting indeed.

  137. CArin -BONC says:

    WTF is Daley smoking?

    “This decision really places those who are rich and those who are in power [to] always feel safe,” Daley said. “Those who do not have the power do not feel safe, and that’s what they’re saying.”

    The press never mentions the many citizens who are maimed but not slain by guns, the ones who take the real toll on America’s health-care and tax systems, Daley said.

    “They’re the forgotten souls, they’re in the nursing home for the rest of their lives,” Daley said. “They’re the ones with spinal cord injuries, head injuries, costing the government millions of dollars to taxpayers.”

    “They can have all the guns we want in the fed building,” Daley said. “They can have all the guns. But why should we as a city not be able to protect ourselves from those who want guns in our society?”

    I don’t know how different Chicago is from Detroit, but do you know how long it takes to get the police to your house with a 911 call?

    After arriving home, Dixon said he and his wife decided to go inside and survey the damage. A short time later, Dixon added, they realized they were not alone and hid in the bedroom.

    “We didn’t know what else to do,” he said. “The first time I called police I didn’t identify there was somebody here. I just called to see what was going on (with the police response). I was told ‘We already have the call, somebody will be there, you have to give them time.'”

    Dixon said he called a second time, explaining that the burglars were still in the home, but still got no immediate help so he called the Northwestern Police District Headquarters.

    “The person who answered said, ‘We are in the middle of shift change. Maybe you should call 911 again,’ “ Dixon explained.

    Instead, Dixon called Detroit City Councilwoman Joann Watson. He said Watson finally got police to respond but that three hours had passed since the first 911 call and the burglars were long gone.

    Now, what if you don’t have Joann Watson’s phone number?

  138. CArin -BONC says:

    Imagine I closed the blockquote after last Daley quote. Or not, bitches.

  139. Great Banana says:

    I agree with Hegel. 180 degrees of separation is here and WingNut Nation is due for a clubbing. But, knowing the Dialectic will eventually return to your favor, we will carefully observe all your
    civil rights during our tenure. Relax, it won’t hurt as much as you think.

    there is a big difference between having difference of opinion as to what POLICY should be, and the left’s belief that there is no actual written constitution, that the Constitution is only what they think it means at any given time.

    Yes, politics will swing back and forth, and the moderate left will see some success in the near future, but the problem is in the left’s inability to understand what a constitution is. Your belief that there is no constitution, that there is only majority opinion, is incredibly dangerous. That is where our real disagreement lies, and which can never be resolved. You believe that is it perfectly appropriate to ignore what is written in our founding document and do whatever the left wishes, while those of us on the right think the founding doucments actually have some meaning.

    In other words, the left (such as you) beleives only in will-to-power while the right believes in rule of law. The left projects onto the right its own desires – verturning all constitutional rights, etc – yet it is always and only the left that seeks to actually do so and sets the stage for doing so by establishing precedent that the actual written constitution has no real meaning.

  140. Lisa says:

    LOL Geezer. Now I am ready to buy case of it and let it age in the cellar.

    Aldo: That is the unkindest cut of all. Blacks are the adored “pets” of a certain set of progressives – unable to behave decently without their guidance. Which is why the ascendancy of Barack Obama over Hillary incensed them so deeply. How DARE he, doesn’t he know his place? He is supposed to be somewhere protesting Don Imus or hitting the talk show circuit promoting the latest Tawana Brawley-type incident. That is “our” place in their scheme of things and we had damned well better remember it.

    Sorry, I am feeling bitter and clingy today. I read something that some PUMA asshole wrote and it made me so mad I felt like quitting the party altogether and working as Karl Rove’s personal assistant. Ohhhhh I despise progressives sometimes.

  141. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “This decision really places those who are rich and those who are in power [to] always feel safe,” Daley said. “Those who do not have the power do not feel safe, and that’s what they’re saying.”

    – You have to be rich to own a gun. When did that rule go into effect, I must have missed that memo.

  142. JD says:

    Lisa – We are still waiting on photographic evidence of sugartits, but have afforded you the benefit of the doubt in the interim, my fine nubian princess.

  143. Karl says:

    Lisa,

    Make sure Rove promises to take you to the country club.

  144. Education Guy says:

    From the Daley quote:

    But why should we as a city not be able to protect ourselves from those who want guns in our society?

    I’d like to think that this is simply a misstatement, but I suspect he means exactly what he says. He is equating gun ownership, or really the desire for gun ownership with something that the city should be protected against.

    Gun grabbers always think they can put the geni back in the bottle. Problem is, that bottle was smashed so long ago that the broken glass has returned to sand by now.

  145. Karl says:

    Geezer,

    As noted in the initial post, the question of state law is technically open, but not as a practical matter. The Supreme Court generally holds that the Bill of Rights is “incorporated” and applicable to states under the 14th Amendment. I’m oversimplifying, but not enough to raise a serious questionas to whether this applies to states and localities.

  146. TheGeezer says:

    And be real clingy with him.

    What will you wear?

  147. BJTex says:

    Let’s consider the space/time disruption caused by trying to reconcile these two statements:

    First up, Mayor Daley:

    But why should we as a city not be able to protect ourselves from those who want guns in our society?”

    Aaaaand now this:

    Chicago Police Department statistics show that from 2004 to November 2007 there were 43,685 firearms-related violent crimes in the city.”

    Turn your head and look away! If you consider the conundrum and clashing and ignorance a galaxy, far, far, away, will be swallowed by a wormhole the size of John Kerry’s ego.

  148. Karl says:

    Although English is not Daley’s first language — he makes W sound like WFB — he is a bigtime gun-grabber, so that’s probably not a misstatement.

  149. Aldo says:

    Lisa, The sense I got from the comment I described was that the commenter believed that BLT was repugnant, but that he was not entitled to hold that opinion due to our nation’s history. IMO it is this type of logic that leads to bad policy.

    BTW, what is PUMA?

  150. Lisa says:

    I think that there is pretty good evidence that posting pictures of one’s tits online could lead to personal and professional problems. Otherwise, I would totally be up for it.

  151. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Daley probably has “Death wish IV” type nightmares.

    – Glad to see you back and fit again Sugartitsâ„¢. We’ve missed your smooth buttery flavor.

  152. TmjUtah says:

    The big news is that we are four judges short where defending the Constitution is concerned.

    I’ll be voting McCain, as well as asking Grandpa Hatch what exactly a judge has to say about tempering their jurisprudence with foreign law or changing times before they can be impeached and run out of town on a rail.

    We live in dangerous times.

    At the airport, half a step back, all medical tests blessfully negative. After the doc pushed ansthetic he asked if I was sure that flying was a good idea… Found out after I woke up he thought I was the pilot. Lol.

    PH and Sem – just damn. Who chooses your socks in the morning? Once again, I raise my hand in request of a tool to screen comments.

    Good wishes all. We are checked through to Maryland.

  153. Sdferr says:

    What’s PUMA Lisa?

  154. Karl says:

    I don’t know the acronym, but PUMAs are people who are bitter and clinging to the Clinton campaign. Obama refuseniks.

  155. happyfeet says:

    I don’t understand why that guy wants to shoot Judge Scalia, or what that would accomplish really. I think even liberals would be a little queasy about changing the balance of the court through assassination. Maybe not, but it just seems an unwise course to pursue.

  156. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Aldo, PUMA is a post – Hillery/Obama bitch-fight movement for party unity. You could think of it as the Obama side squeezing its knees together and puckering up, with the fervent hopes that the Hillery side won’t tell them to fuck off.

  157. CArin -BONC says:

    I read something that some PUMA asshole wrote and it made me so mad I felt like quitting the party altogether and working as Karl Rove’s personal assistant. Ohhhhh I despise progressives sometimes.

    Well … aren’t you going to share? Let’s feed the hate …

  158. Karl says:

    Ah, then I guess it stands for “Party Unity My Ass.” Plus, it’s Cougary.

  159. Lisa says:

    Stands for Party Unity My Ass.

    Hardcore Hillary supporters who want to have another 1968.

  160. Aldo says:

    Last I heard the Clinton Machine was demanding $10 million for the unity.

  161. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – I think I saw the acronym stands for “Progressives United Movement America” or some such thing.

  162. CArin -BONC says:

    OOH – it stands for “Party Unity My Ass” … ha! And I thought Dems didn’t have a sense of humor.

  163. CArin -BONC says:

    Can I send them money? I think they need to fight the power on this one…

  164. TerryH says:

    Speaking for the(thank God)minority, John Paul Stevens comments upon the individual right of self defense:

    “There is no indication that the framers of the amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution,” Stevens wrote in his dissent.”

    You have the right to become a victim. Once victimhood is achieved the state will look into the matter in proportion to the protected (or lack thereof) status of the victim.

  165. Lisa says:

    Most of the mainstream Hillary people are on board with Obama. But there are some people who have shown some very interesting ideas….

    One guy has a grudge against the dude at daily kos but no problem with Obama, but since Kos is kind of in the tank for Obama, he is going to “take down Obama” to show Kos His Great Powers.

    The founder of Party Unity My Ass is some lady who says she is a long time Hillary supporter but someone checked and revealed that she has been giving money to McCain since 2000, which she does not deny. But she says she did that as part of her Super Secret Plan to Defeat Bush, lol. She has never given a dime to Hillary Clinton, interestingly enough.

    It is just a bunch of idiots, but they are really nasty and arrogant and say the darndest things about black people in general (expressing basic SHOCK that they didn’t vote en masse for the wife of the First Black President, as they were told to do).

  166. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – You gotta say that the race between “Candy Man” and “Assisted Living” isn’t nearly as entertaining as the one between CM and RoboBitch.

  167. BJTex says:

    Knock yourself out, Carin!

    P.U.M.A.

  168. RC says:

    I’m voting for Lisa for President…what pseudonym surname should I use?

  169. Lisa says:

    No, BBH. There are two of them. One is Party Unity My Ass and the other is Progressives United blah blah blah.

    The funny thing is, Carin, they ARE the power. They just got overridden and now they are PISSED. Since they have spent their ENTIRE LIVES crying victim, this is really energizing for them. They get to relive the sixties and everything! Squee!!

  170. syn says:

    “And meanwhile you gun nuts all want to get your creepy gun oiled bible smelling hands up in womens business.”

    And this is from a Progg who no doubt would have no problem with the government sticking a camera up a citizen’s ass to monitor the amount of toilet paper used.

  171. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Damn. Its true. No wonder FOX didn’t give the acronym meaning the other day. Heh.

  172. Lisa says:

    All I know is that everything conservatives have ever said about 60s progressives is right. They can suck my ass.

    Seriously.

  173. Aldo says:

    I like the top post at the PUMA page Tex linked: “Are Obama’s gaffes a cry for help?”

  174. kelly says:

    “I think even liberals would be a little queasy about changing the balance of the court through assassination”

    One would think, yes. But one would be wrong. They seen pretty damn cavalier about offing W, why wouldn’t they feel the same about Roberts or, even more so, Thomas?

  175. BJTex says:

    Oh, Lisa, there is some grade A isiot smack from those people:

    Now is not the time to put a love object in office, a weakling who will be entirely dependent on his power elite enablers. Or worse, he may be a dissembler who has barely disguised his contempt for the voters.

    There will be a lot of calls for “Unity!”. But let us acknowledge what this really is. “Unity” is a weapon that the party is going to use against us. It is the emotional blackmail of the teenager. “If you don’t let me have my way, it will be all YOUR fault if something bad happens!” “If you don’t get in line, it will be YOUR fault if we lose.”

    Hee, hee, I can only imagine how you reacted to a phone call from one of those slavering turds! “Love object in office!?” Oh, my, I may give myself a hernia!

    Women scorned, Lisa. Women scorned.

  176. Lisa says:

    You are probably right about the rest of them too.

    (Cynically ponders the state of the nation.)

  177. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Oil hit 140 bucks a barrel today, and almost every stock is deppressed across the board.

    – I’ve seen this sort of thing before in other critical commodities. Somethings got to give. The higher the water goes behind the dam, the bigger the flood when it finally breaks.

  178. Rick Ballard says:

    Ohhhhh I despise progressives sometimes.

    Darkerella’s battle cry?

    BTW – when are the action figures going on sale?

  179. BJTex says:

    Costume! WHAT ABOUT THE COSTUME!?!?!?

  180. Lisa says:

    This guy is a dick too BJTexas, but the first item on the page IS pretty hilarious.

    It made me giggle.

  181. ProggressiveHero says:

    “There is no indication that the framers of the amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution,” Stevens wrote in his dissent.”

    So it is up to the SC to determine if we have a right of self-defense? Even SemenCleo’s mother would find that one hard to swallow.

  182. Lisa says:

    LOL Rick. My designer is still working on the sugartits.

  183. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “Even SemenCleo’s mother would find that one hard to swallow.”

    Progg CAT FIGHT!!!111eleventyone11!!!

  184. Rick Ballard says:

    “My designer is still working on the sugartits.”

    If he needs a hand (or two) with the situation just let us know.

  185. BJTex says:

    Rick Ballard – DEEEEEEEEENOUNCED! (heh)

  186. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Observers on the ground are saying that approximately 60 out of the 240 of Hillery’s big contributors will attend tonights fund raiser at the Mayflower hotel, and tomorrows in Unity NH.

    – Thats probably a good indication of the percentage of Hillery supporters that are readily willing to get behind Obama, although the joke of the day is that the Hillery people won’t have to right a check to get in, just one to leave.

  187. JHoward says:

    This is the start of the second half of the financial hurricane, BBH. The passing half that does all the real damage. Wait until you see what a sea of ARM resets looks like in spring of next year.

    I vote we give the Fed a pile of new authority. Oh wait, we did already.

  188. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    – Jeez…make that “write a check”…I needs more coffee….

  189. Karl says:

    IIRC, that’s the Unity meeting at the Hotel California.

  190. Lisa says:

    Rick I will take that under advisement, lol.

    Hee hee, BBH.

  191. kelly says:

    “Wait until you see what a sea of ARM resets looks like in spring of next year.”

    Yup. Good thing the Senate will have bailed out B of A and, by proxy, Countrywide Financial before then and slid the tab over to taxpayers.

  192. Lisa says:

    It is true that Democrats, when faced with certain victory, will never fail to stop and gnaw their legs down to bloody stumps.

    Sigh.

  193. JHoward says:

    …and slid the tab over to taxpayers.

    Well, there is that nice benevolent refund check they just sent us serfs to keep us settled down.

    The difference between Rome and the US is that J.M. Keynes hadn’t been born then.

  194. urthshu says:

    A lot of comments and I’ve only just begun – so if it came up already, sorry….

    The restriction on the possession of firearms by those with a history of mental illnesses has always struck me as odd.
    On the one hand, its the law declaring that once a person is mentally ill, s/he *always* is, no chance for remission.
    OTOH, most lefties – indeed, many reasonable people – believe that mental illness shouldn’t carry significant stigma, since its an illness after all.
    Yet… here we have a stigma enshrined in law that everybody is A-OK with.

    Now, I’ve read up on all the cases with psychos grabbing a gun and killing folks, too, so I’m not talking about actively psychotic people. But after they’re done with treatment, why say they shouldn’t be allowed to have a gun?
    And if its insisted upon anyway, why should a gun-owner seek professional help, esp. if they need it?

    I don’t have good answers to this, BTW. Just saying there’s no consistency in anyone’s thinking.

  195. BJTex says:

    Lisa: New Campaign Slogans

    THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY: Nothing is More Uncertain Than Certain Victory!

    THE REPUBLICAN PARTY: Even Our Members Hate Us!

  196. TerryH says:

    PH: “So it is up to the SC to determine if we have a right of self-defense? Even SemenCleo’s mother would find that one hard to swallow.”

    Gee PH, that kind of attitude will get you swiftly disowned by the Progs. How can you achieve an equitable distribution of power unless you control it absolutely. Lord Acton had some doubts about absolute power but, being a dead white guy, what did he know?

  197. Lisa says:

    LMAO BJTexas. Those are awesome. I am going to make t-shirts!

  198. JD says:

    Bj is pretty funny for being an oppressor of the brown people.

  199. BJTex says:

    Lisa: Let’s license them and split the profits! We’ll call our partnership company “Bleeding Wingnuts” and set up a booth at the conventions.

    We’ll be rich, I tells ya, RICH!!!

  200. Aldo says:

    We’ll call our partnership company “Bleeding Wingnuts”

    You better check to make sure the Paulbots don’t already have that name trademarked.

  201. JD says:

    Bleeding wingnuts? Isn’t that what happened to you when you tried to shave the dingleberries with an old Schick?

  202. Dread Cthulhu says:

    “There is no indication that the framers of the amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution,” Stevens wrote in his dissent.”

    Oh, really? There are none so blind as those unwilling to do research.

    Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
    safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly’s reply to
    the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

    George Washington: “A free people ought to be armed.” (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent
    Chronicle.)

    Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in
    almost every country in Europe.” (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

    Thomas Jefferson: “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” (T. Jefferson papers,
    334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

    James Madison: “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of
    other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms.” (Federalist Paper #46)

    Patrick Henry: “The people have a right to keep and bear arms.” (Elliott, Debates at 185)

    Samual Adams: “The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United
    States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” (Convention of the Commonwealth
    of Mass., 86-87, date still being sought)

  203. BJTex says:

    Jeez you guys are brutal. Ok how about “Wingbats T-Shirts.”

    Lisa and I are open to investors, except for JD who is too much of a homophobic mysogynist that even the Paulines won’t have him.

  204. BJTex says:

    Dread: Nice work. I’m a cuttin’ and a pastin’ and a savin’.

  205. TerryH says:

    Dread Cthulhu @ 202: Thanks indeed.

    I was astounded to read Justice Stevens comment, and wondered if he, like ProgHero, might be a parody standin.

    Does Stevens have a body double?

  206. Dewclaw says:

    Could Lisa’s superhero outfit go along these lines?

    http://xrl.us/go3vs

  207. kelly says:

    YYou see, Justice Stevens, there’s this new thing call the…internet and…what? Well, it’s been around for a while and…huh? Oh, you just need a computer or some sort of hand held…come again? I said a computer, y’know, a…oh, hell, forget it.

  208. Rusty says:

    #

    Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 11:15 am #

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Honestly, if i was going to interpert that one the first sentence would not be taken for a reasoning why the right of the people shall not be infringed, but as the reasoning to infringe it. Per say a few tweaks with the meaning of People to such a degree as it will no longer mean person.

    It’s not a sentence, but the subordinate clause of the sentence. ‘Regulated’ had a different meaning then than it has now. In the original meaning it meant more like qualified, or prepared. As when a clock was said to be regulated. I can understand your confusion, you being a dumbass and all.

  209. […] vast majority of the media and blogospheric attention was on the US Supreme Court’s landmark decision on gun rights,  the Court also decided an important campaign finance case […]

  210. ProggressiveHero says:

    I ment the words contained before the first two commas. Sorry. Those words I believe are a qualifier. As in “A well oiled car, being necessary for the proper maintenance and operation of the car,” for what is contained afterward. an example of contained afterward for that metaphore would be “the right of people to have their cars oil be changed once every 3 thousand miles shall not be infringed”

  211. ProggressiveHero says:

    god damn I really jacked that comment up. Well if you can figure out a point from it then you win a cookie.

  212. Rusty says:

    #

    Comment by ProggHero on 6/26 @ 4:54 am #

    Well you better get your clock out and remember the exact time today the SC takes away the 2nd. When that happens please come back and apologize for calling me a fascist. Even if it doesn’t pass the fact that the ruling will be 5-4 should scare you.

    You jacked that one too. Don’t know jack about much do you?

  213. ProggressiveHero says:

    Well at least I can say I never voted for bush. Let me guess you did though didn’t you? Thanks for jacking up the country.

  214. lee says:

    The founding fathers were guarding against the possibility Americans would lose their liberty to another tyranny like the one they just defeated. There was faith that the people can self-govern, and the revolutionary spirit guiding the 2nd Amendment is one of the most important checks on an over reaching government.

    That’s why socialists hate the right to bear arms, it’s hard to get tyrannical control over a well armed citizenry.

    Oh, and RE. progghero…I’m coming around to Bmoes suspicion. Could just be wishful thinking though, I miss that guy.

  215. lee says:

    A well oiled Car?!

    OK, hows this: A well maintained gas tank, being necessary for he operation of a planet ruining SUV, will not threaten the proscribed safety or efficiency of the SUV.

  216. ProggressiveHero says:

    Yeah whatever I suck at metaphores. Racist.

  217. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Yeah whatever I suck at metaphores.

    Also spelling.

    Also logic.

    If we start going down the list of your shortcomings, though, we’re going to be here all night.

  218. happyfeet says:

    You rock at oxymorons though.

  219. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Except for the oxy part.

  220. Lisa says:

    Bleeding Wingnuts: I love it.

    Lets shop it to some venture capitalists.

  221. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Bleeding Wingnuts

    Sounds like a brand of combination jockstrap/panty shield marketed for extremely butch mid-op transsexuals. The wings would both protect the panties and provide extra support for the nuts.

  222. lee says:

    I think bleeding wingnuts is more a rock band name.

    Or what an English man might say whilst rooting around under his workbench.

  223. Rusty says:

    #

    Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/26 @ 3:58 pm #

    Well at least I can say I never voted for bush. Let me guess you did though didn’t you? Thanks for jacking up the country.

    That’s it? That’s your comeback? Is that subtlety or nuance? It’s hard to tell. I’m gonna go out on a limb here, but I bet you can’t logically defend your decision to not vote for bush.

  224. Slartibartfast says:

    Or what an English man might say whilst rooting around under his workbench.

    Is that another British euphemism I’ve somehow missed? “What are you doing?” “Oh, just rooting around under my workbench.”

  225. lee says:

    Is that another British euphemism I’ve somehow missed?

    Sorry I wasn’t clear.

    Here I was, trying to paint a picture of a retired fellow in London, in his garage putting together some stupid furniture his wife dragged home from Walmart, when he mis-threads then drops an important fastener. After a cursory scan, Edgar; yeah, lets call him Edgar… Edgar sighs, screws his monocle tighter, and dropping to his knees, mutters…wait for it…”bloody wingnuts”.

    I hate having to explain my humorous(by intent anyway) prose, that means I failed miserably.

    *sigh*

  226. lee says:

    Anyway, whatever.

    I mostly comment for my own amusement, if you don’t get my humor, probably means you are part of it.

    Oh, I’m just messing with you slart. Denounce me if you must!

  227. Rusty says:

    225
    Now THAT was subtle.
    Some British model engineer named Edward was fiddling about in his shed and happened to lose a grub screw on the floor. He exclaimed, wingnut! Not Edward, mind you, but some other chap… named Edgar.

  228. Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) says:

    “but I bet you can’t logically defend your decision to not vote for bush.”

    – ProggHeron probably heard that Kerry shot himself in the ass with a grenade launcher….twoce…..what better creds could a candidate have…..well maybe a magic hat from Cambodia…..but still…

  229. lee says:

    @#227-

    Well, he asked for it!

    /big fat old raspberry>

  230. Dread Cthulhu says:

    lee: “That’s why socialists hate the right to bear arms, it’s hard to get tyrannical control over a well armed citizenry. ”

    Funny you should mention that…

    Adolf Hitler: “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun
    registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead.”
    (Chancelor’s Speech, 1935)

    Mao Tse Tung: “All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must
    command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.” (Problems of
    War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938, published in “Selected Works of Mao Zedong,” 1965)

    Diane Feinstein: “US Senator, If I could have banned them all- ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in
    your guns’ -I would have!” (Statement on TV program 69 Minutes, Feb 5 1995)

    Mahatma Gandhi: “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the
    act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.” (“Gandhi, an Autobiography,” M.K. Gandhi,
    446)

  231. Pablo says:

    Lisa,

    This guy is a dick too BJTexas, but the first item on the page IS pretty hilarious.

    It made me giggle.

    I’m guessing that the item was the new Baracky Seal. Which is pretty cute, but the next post got my attention too.

    Other writers may pretend that the months of ugliness and hate on Kos, DU, TPM, Huffington Post and other “progressive” outlets never occurred. But I will never forget — and I won’t let you forget either. Never forget; never forgive. A moment’s forgiveness is tantamount to saying: “I will gladly swallow your shit, Mr. Moulitsas. Please lean over my face and drop another log.”

    I think we could do business with that guy.

  232. ThomasD says:

    I ment the words contained before the first two commas. Sorry. Those words I believe are a qualifier.

    Those words are what is commonly known as a dependent clause. That other group of words? An independent clause – you know, one that can stand all by itself.

    Read this

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/the_second_amendment_much_ado.html

    and maybe you’ll learn something.

  233. grouch says:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    An analogy which occured to me a long time ago is along the lines of: Having a mean muthafuckin dog, being necessary to keep the goblins out of my yard, the right for me to have a big ass stick to keep it from eating me, shall not be infringed.

  234. CelticDragon says:

    Ok, now I’m waiting for a picture of Lisa dressed as Emma Frost. Rrrrrroooooowwwwww!

    I totally denounce myself for that…

  235. Lisa says:

    Sounds like a brand of combination jockstrap/panty shield marketed for extremely butch mid-op transsexuals. The wings would both protect the panties and provide extra support for the nuts.

    LMAO!!!

  236. Here in Austin the bumper sticker I want would read:

    Oh I’m paying attention, I’m just questioning the validity of your outrage.

    Hell, it’s probably available somewhere, I haven’t looked.

    Or what an English man might say whilst rooting around under his workbench.

    That’s EXACTLY the image that popped into my mind. Stop that!

    Man, it’s not everyday that the government recognizes a right of the People and stands down. It’s a great day.

    yours/
    peter.

  237. Slartibartfast says:

    I hate having to explain my humorous(by intent anyway) prose, that means I failed miserably.

    Gah, I was just riffing off you. Badly, probably. Obviously, even. The picture you painted came through loud and clear; I just chose to misinterpret it so’s I could try and make a funny.

    Fail.

    I ment the words contained before the first two commas. Sorry. Those words I believe are a qualifier.

    Considering this is your first comment in this thread, some context might be nice. Probably this is context fail on my part.

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  240. N. O'Brain says:

    Think of it like this:

    [Michael Caine]

    “Bleeding Wingnuts”

    {/Michael Caine]

  241. “Rooting” is British for, uh, well let’s just say Edgar was under the work bench with his girlfriend, and they were, uh, “Oh! Honey! Bloody wingnuts! Dropped a whole can of them under here. Be in in just a minute.”

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