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Ralph Nader’s attacks on Obama deserve a recall [Karl]

One-time “consumer activist,” one-time election spoiler and fulltime nimrod Ralph Nader reportedly attacked Barack Obama in an interview with the Rocky Mountain News:

“There’s only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He’s half African-American,” Nader said. “Whether that will make any difference, I don’t know. I haven’t heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What’s keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn’t want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We’ll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards.”

HotAir’s Ed Morrissey rightly blasts Nader’s attack as “simply despicable” for its implicit assumption that blacks or any other group should all think alike — and like Democrats in particular. 

Moreover, Nader is simply incorrect in some of his specifics.  For example, Obama has spoken out against predatory lending.  What Nader should have said was that Obama talks about it, but is awash in camapign contributions from subprime lenders.  Nader should not have attacked Obama for not talking about asbestos.  Instead, he should have noted that Obama has hogged credit on the issue from his fellow community organizers.  Nader should not have attacked Obama for not wanting to sound like Jesse Jackson.  Instead, he should have pointed out that Obama carefully cultivated an image as a non-Jackson/Sharpton type, while playing the race card as a standard response to bad publicity.

About the only thing Nader gets right is his claim that Obama “wants to appeal to white guilt.”  But David Ehrenstein already said that better in his now-famous “magic negro” essay back in March 2007.

In short, Nader’s attacks were every bit as incendiary as — and more defective than — the rear end of a 1975 Ford Pinto.

(h/t Memeorandum.)

127 Replies to “Ralph Nader’s attacks on Obama deserve a recall [Karl]”

  1. ProggHero says:

    Is Ralph Nader speaking for all white people? How do you “speak white”? I do not get it. He probably heard a rap song and figures thats how every AA should sound. What a tool.

  2. Karl says:

    PH,

    Though Ralph did not go so far as to suggest that O speak Jive, he is suggesting that a black candidate must speak for the oppressed against The Man.

    Ironically, if Nader wanted to seriously pursue that attack, he could have noted that such is the core idea of the Black Liberation Theology of Obama’s most recent church. But Nader is too much of a tool to even know about that.

  3. HokiePundit says:

    Obama’s also not half “African-American.” He’s half- black African, half- white American. He’s not descended from those enslaved, from free blacks during slavery, or from naturalized African immigrants.

  4. The Lost Dog says:

    Yup. Nader is a dick. Humping the Corvair to fame.

    One of my favorite cars was the Corvair Spyder. It really wasn’t anything to write home about, but it was way COOL! And I still get goose bumps when I think about how much it sounded like a city bus when you goosed it.

  5. Roboc says:

    Ralph Nader is unsafe at any speed. What a fucking dolt!

  6. Cincinnatus says:

    Let me be first to denounce my 5 star safty rated Mercury.

  7. TmjUtah says:

    Crap. This means he’ll draw fewer votes away from Obama.

    Smooth move, Safety Boy!

    I guess he wanted to get out in front of any “spoiler” charges this time around.

    Nader is many things. Stupid is not one of them. About politics, at least.

  8. TheGeezer says:

    How old is Nader, anyway? Is he paying his staff members at a “living wage” rate yet? Does he wear Depends™ and, if so, are they truly green?

  9. happyfeet says:

    I’m not here to defend Obama, but this attack is simply despicable. It demands, as the Left often does, that minorities subjugate their own opinion for groupthink, and that they offer no deviation from the Leftist orthodoxy, lest one give up their own ethnic identity and be called a traitor merely for having their own opinions. Whether Obama actually does this or not is not as relevant as the exposure of the Left’s attitudes on racial identity and political individuality.

    That’s what Cap’n Ed says. But for real, minorities do subjugate their own opinion for groupthink, and … offer no deviation from the Leftist orthodoxy, lest [they] give up their own ethnic identity and be called a traitor merely for having their own opinions.

    For real they do this a lot. You can kinda count on it really, plus or minus 5% or so.

  10. Lisa says:

    Good article. But I disagree that his remarks were “playing the race card”. There are going to be dog-whistle attacks. As we get closer to the election, people are going to get down and dirty. And racist.

    Jeebus it annoys me when you assume that if black people discuss racism or talk about what is going down they are just doing it to bug you, make you feel bad, or whip out the race card on you. It is not about you, Karl.

    If McCain can discuss how people are going to call him an old fart who will likely die of old age before he can make it up to the podium to be sworn in (which they are)and no one accuses him of “pulling the age card” then Obama can talk about how people are going to say he is a creepy black dude (which they are) without being accused of “pulling the race card”.

  11. happyfeet says:

    These are the same ones right? The ones what didn’t even protest when Baracky and his NPR friends and his Newsweek friends and his New York Times friends said they all went to hatey paranoid Africa-centric churches and totally are all about the god damning America business.

  12. Lisa says:

    Happyfeet:

    What kind of black people are you hanging out with?! You better watch it or you might be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

  13. CArin -BONC says:

    Lisa,
    Wasn’t Diddy’s “Obama or Die” chant a version of pulling the race card? BET was one-long Obama-fest.

  14. Karl says:

    Lisa,

    Everybody is going to get called about everything; it’s politics. I don’t disagree with your basic assessment that some of the politics will be below the belt (on both sides). I don’t think every discussion about is race or racism is race-baiting.

    But I also do not think it is was any sort of coincidence that Obama chose to — in the most vague McCarthyite fashion — claim that “Republicans” were going to make racial attacks on the same day he was taking a PR beating for opting out of public financing. It is part of a pattern that I may have to detail in a separate post at some length, but suffice it to say that I think that the fact that Obama first chose to address questions about his church with a speech about race is part of that pattern.

  15. Karl says:

    Carin,

    I don’t think the Diddy/BET stuff – as obnoxious as it was — can necessarily be imputed to O. He was busy shaking down donors across town.

  16. Lisa says:

    Happy, why do black people have to be responsible for everything another black person does?

    I really don’t give a crap about his church. His church sucked, but it is not the first nor the last church that sucks. Plenty of the suckassed churches and their sucky clergy (like Rev. James Dobson) have the ear of our current president. So it would not be new to have someone influenced by a church freak who hates America and thinks she is Teh Wicked Whore of Babylon. I would prefer that we have more secular candidates who don’t spend so much time rattling on about their shitbag religions. Who cares. You are still a dirtbag for being craven enough to want to be president, Mr. Bible Banger. But alas, this is how we do things in this circus.

    Now, if he was a member of the Nation of Islam, that would be a deal breaker. Those bow-ties….

  17. Dread Cthulhu says:

    Lisa: “If McCain can discuss how people are going to call him an old fart who will likely die of old age before he can make it up to the podium to be sworn in (which they are)and no one accuses him of “pulling the age card” then Obama can talk about how people are going to say he is a creepy black dude (which they are) without being accused of “pulling the race card”.”

    Except that he has attempted to conflate his inexperience, which *IS* a legitimate issue, with the whole “creepy black dude with a funny middle name and a feisty wife” mess. And *THAT* means he is playing the race card, trying to innoculate himself against legitimate questions by throwing up this smokescreen.

  18. Karl says:

    Lisa,

    Bush did not claim Dobson as a spiritual adviser for 20 years. Bush did not take cassettes of his sermons to Harvard. Bush did not sit in Dobson’s church for decades. Really, you must be in a mood today. I thought you were feeling better, and hope you are.

  19. ProggHero says:

    They taught religion at the political choir called Trinity????? Not from what I saw on those YouTube clips. Far to little snake handling and exorsisms.

  20. CArin -BONC says:

    I don’t think the Diddy/BET stuff – as obnoxious as it was — can necessarily be imputed to O. He was busy shaking down donors across town

    True. But it really, really bugs me.

  21. happyfeet says:

    Oh. No. I think we’re close to on the same page. I didn’t see Nader as really playing the race card either. Just more this is the way people talk, and that the media’s eager universalization of TUCC was nothing of not a very strong inducement for others to universalize the black experience or whatever as well. Actually my only black friend moved to Manhattan and she hasn’t called in awhile. Black people usually don’t think I’m very cool. I’m working on this.

  22. Lisa says:

    I see your point, Karl. Yes, he is The Great Deflector.

    Look over there, a larger theme, let’s ponder it!

    But I still dig my O-Smoove.

  23. Karl says:

    Also, for anyone new to the discussion, my problem with viz Obama-Wright is twofold: (1) Black Liberation Theology conflates religion and politics, which O is desperate to avoid discussing; (2) Obama pitching himself as a post-racial Uniter seems ridiculous in light of the longtime relationship with — and initial defense of — Wright.

  24. happyfeet says:

    Oh. *if* not a very strong inducement…

  25. Karl says:

    #23: Lisa,

    Yes, and the “larger theme” always seems to be race. Because he’s so post-racial. A cynical person might call that cynical.

  26. Lisa says:

    No it doesnt Karl. He has been talking about everything under the sun. He won’t shut up, for the love of Christ. But your Super White Occular Sensor only picks up certain verbage.

    ;-)

  27. baldilocks says:

    Crazy Old Leftist…

    Yeah those “Republicans” are O So Racist, aren’t they?I haven’t heard [Obama] have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What’s keeping him from doing that? Is it because he want…

  28. Karl says:

    #27: O, he talks about things aside from race — Hope! Change! But on those select occasions when the establishment media is criticizing him, he reaches for The Card.

  29. Lisa says:

    LOL Happy. I think you are cool.

    This is really racist so I am going to denounce myself in advance:

    I have a friend who was having a really hard time connecting with her mostly black employees. They were very unresponsive at meetings, but they did good work so she was at a loss as to what to do with them. I told her to bring chicken wings to the next meeting. She reported that the chicken was a resounding success and seemed to break the ice – her employees opened up about their concerns regarding the change in management. She now has a very good relationship with her employees.

    The moral of the story is – we could resolve all of our race issues over a plate of chicken wings.

    /denounce

  30. Lisa says:

    I disagree, Karl. But it is all in the perception thing. I am not a slavering devotee of Obama, but perhaps I see things with a more sweetly filtered lens due to my support.

  31. baldilocks says:

    HokiePundit sez:

    Obama’s also not half “African-American.” He’s half- black African, half- white American. He’s not descended from those enslaved, from free blacks during slavery, or from naturalized African immigrants.

    Okay. Since my father is a black African and my mother is a descendant of American slaves, does that make me “half African American?” Silly idea.

    However, if you’re trying to argue that the term “African-American” should only apply to legal immigrants from the continent, then I’m with you.

  32. CArin -BONC says:

    I like the term “Halfrican.”

    Self-denouncement.

  33. baldilocks says:

    Lisa sez:

    Now, if he was a member of the Nation of Islam, that would be a deal breaker.

    From what I know of the NOI and what we all have learned about BLack Liberation Theology, I call the latter “Christ”-coated Nation of Islam–a distortion of the person and mission of Jesus Christ at that.

  34. Karl says:

    Lisa,

    I just Hope you’re not setting up your friend for the suggestion that — with Summer coming on — nothing is tastier than some seasonal watermelon.

    /denounce

  35. SGT Ted says:

    Lisa,

    Chicken wings?

    What would have happened had she brought in some watermelon?

    I DENOUNCE ME!!!

  36. Dan Collins says:

    When I was a kid–before they became magic–black television characters were always dying heroically to save the lives of good white guys.

  37. Karl says:

    I beat SGT Ted. Heh.

  38. Lisa says:

    Karl and Ted: Yeah the watermelon would have probably gotten her ass kicked. However, the chicken – we love it SO MUCH that it transcends any racial animosity that might be aroused by the presentation of well cooked chickenwings. While it may seem rude to assume that we all like chicken, why waste time arguing the point when we could be enjoying a delicious plate of crisp yet juicy fowl.

  39. baldilocks says:

    I told her to bring chicken wings to the next meeting. She reported that the chicken was a resounding success and seemed to break the ice – her employees opened up about their concerns regarding the change in management.

    LOL. Appeasement sometimes works.

  40. Jim in KC says:

    Fuck mathematics and/or music, chicken wings are the universal language.

  41. Lisa says:

    I am right now fighting off a horde of armed ninjas, Dan. Just go, man! Get the [insert important artifact here]!! We are running out of time! I’ll be okay, honkey my friend.

    Dies heroically.

  42. The Lost Dog says:

    Lisa,

    I’m sorry, but my computer must be on the fritz. Your link to verify the statement that Dobson has Bush’s ear didn’t come through. I wonder how that happened?

  43. Lisa says:

    chickenwings = world peace

  44. B Moe says:

    Nothing against chicken wings, I average 2 to 3 dozen a week, but if they can accomplish all that, what in the world could we get done with a big ass stack of ribs?

  45. baldilocks says:

    “what in the world could we get done with a big ass stack of ribs?”

    Consider me appeased.

  46. McGehee says:

    Ribs?

    SEXIST!!!

  47. Karl says:

    Clearly, the chicken wings are O’s “secret plan” to win over Mahmoud.

    TAKE THAT, NIXON!!!

  48. Dan Collins says:

    *sniff*
    She was a brave, a valiant, a good negro. We owe it to her to take care of the children.

    Why? WHY did Darkerella have to die?!!!

  49. Lisa says:

    Yeah yeah Lost Dog: I read in Time (this one, I think) that they have some sort of Monday Confrence Call of Teh Crazies that the prez and a whole bunch of cranks participate in.

    Boy that sure hurt your feelings. LOL. Pissy pissy.

  50. Lisa says:

    Laughs hard @ #49

    OMG. LOLOL!!!

    You better take care of my chilluns.

  51. Lisa says:

    I am considering changing my name to Darkerella.

    That name is awesome. I think I would need thigh high boots and a crazy-huge wig to pull it off though.

  52. Jack says:

    ” … and fulltime nimrod, …” Look, no one is going to take you seriously unless you cease this childish name-calling. Every time I come here to see what you have to say, I run across something like this in the first paragraph, so I hit the Back button. This time I thought I’d let you know. Maybe you do have something to contribute, but I’m not going to wade through a lot of childish claptrap to find it.

  53. Sdferr says:

    Wasn’t Nimrod the mighty hunter dude? So what’s name calling about that?

  54. Karl says:

    Jack,

    Pay me.

  55. Karl says:

    Sdferr,

    You are correct, technically.

  56. BJTex says:

    Jack?

    Hi! I just wanted you to know that your sense of humor is on the phone. Somehow it’s stuck in a motel in Laredo with two Mexican strippers and a big assed boa. Could you wire him cab fare?

    That a boy!

  57. Jim in KC says:

    Somebody wanna get this “Jack” guy some ribs?

    Beef or pork, please, not wabbit.

  58. BJTex says:

    Karl: Now if you had called him a “part time” nimrod…

  59. Karl says:

    Actually, I was a little too flip to Jack. What I should have written was that if he reviewed the entirety of the posts I put up on this site as a volunteer guest-blogger — as I just double-checked — the number of times there is name-calling in the first paragraph is near-zero.

    And that Jack gives no reason as to why he thinks it is inaccurate to refer to Nader as a nimrod.

  60. BJTex says:

    Sticks and stones may break Jack’s bones… but Lisa is Darkerella!

  61. Rick Ballard says:

    Lisa,

    Serr8d might be able to work something up for you along these lines.

  62. Sdferr says:

    If we’re to believe Yahoo, the second def. comes by way of Buggs Bunny, applying the name derisively to Elmer Fudd.
    Nader, on the other hand, is a sort of Fuddy-Duddy, so perhaps it’s apter than Jack had supposed.

  63. JD says:

    Lisa @ #52 – Consider yourself denounced, denounced and condemned, for bringing up chitlins.

  64. Rick Ballard says:

    Lisa,

    Try this.

    The linkeater got the other one.

  65. Sdferr says:

    Be sure Serr8d includes satin hotpants and matching brassier like thingy wit dat.

  66. BJTex says:

    You all have missed a great opportunity on this thread.

    On the one side: Beautiful African-American conservative Baldilocks!

    On the other side: Lovely African-American Bleed … er … Liberal Lisa!

    Don’t you see???

    CAT FIGHT CAGE MATCH!!!!!

    /denounced

  67. JD says:

    Sugartits in a cage. Fucking brilliant idea.

  68. baldilocks says:

    Pervs.

    That why I love it here.

  69. HokiePundit says:

    @32,

    I’m just saying that Obama’s heritage doesn’t fit one of the three ways I’d consider to be legitimate for the use of “African-American.” “African&American” would be true, as would “Black,” “American of African descent,” and so on. He’s not a descendant of immigrants (forced or voluntary) from Africa, so he’s not African-American.

    Someone please denounce me.

  70. BJTex says:

    We love you too, baldilocks.

  71. Karl says:

    Indeed. And cage matches.

  72. Lisa says:

    Rick: Oh yeah. That is Darkerella’s outfit. Them’s some Fine Black Superhero Threads. Jane doesn’t have enough booty to really make it work.

    BJTexas, JD: LOLOL!!

    (I love this nuthouse, I mean this blog)

  73. JD says:

    Lisa brought up wings and chitlins and now I am so hungry I could chew my arm off.

  74. Jim in KC says:

    Jane doesn’t have enough booty, period.

  75. Lisa says:

    Yeah but Baldilocks could wear this..

    We would be like wonder twin powers or something. Saving Good White Guys Lives the world over.

  76. baldilocks says:

    “He’s not a descendant of immigrants (forced or voluntary) from Africa, so he’s not African-American.”

    I told you of my heritage. Since my father never was a citizen (he came here under the same circumstances as BHO’s father), but my mother is a black American, does that, by *your stated logic above*, make me a half “African American?” That’s ridiculous.

    Folks here can tell you that I’m certainly no Obama fan. But this stuff about who is an “African American” and who isn’t only points to one thing: the ridiculousness of the term “African American” as it’s presently applied.

    And who decided that the term “African American” only applied to descendants of American slaves?

  77. baldilocks says:

    or descendants of immigrants from Africa?

  78. Karl says:

    Gotta say I tuned in Battlestar Galactica and was disappointed that this was inaccurate.

  79. baldilocks says:

    “Yeah but Baldilocks could wear this..”

    Ask me in September (when I finish the Body for Life challenge.

    Girl, we could make a mint!

  80. B Moe says:

    …only points to one thing: the ridiculousness of the term “African American” as it’s presently applied.

    An Atlanta news anchor a few years ago was reading a story about racial tensions in South Africa, and she described the situation as being between white South Africans and African-American South Africans. I don’t understand how you could think this is ridiculous. ;p

  81. baldilocks says:

    “or descendants of immigrants from Africa?”

    meaning those who came and stayed.

    B Moe: I had some *black* dude tell me that my father was an “African American” even after I explained the circumstances.

    People parrot and don’t think.

  82. HokiePundit says:

    baldilocks,

    I completely agree: it’s ridiculous. It’s also ridiculous that our culture seems to still pretty much use the “One Drop Rule,” because, simply, labeling people by race is very rarely helpful. Personally, I’d hope you’d be above using a label like “African-American” instead of “American” to describe yourself, but if you’re descended from immigrants then you can use the term.

    Yes, that means that under this logic, Obama’s children can call themselves African-American but Barack himself can’t. Stupid labeling systems tend to give stupid results. And as I’ve said, pretty much any term you can think of that’s been used to describe those of African ancestry except “African-American” can be used to describe Barack Obama.

    It’s just that his African parent was never an American and his American parent had no African ancestors. It’s a technicality, but I’m glad to use it to mock the labeling system we seem to be using.

  83. Lisa says:

    Baldilocks wow Body for Life is pretty intense – my trainer tried to get me to get into it but I am too lazy. But everyone who finishes it looks stunning – you could bounce a nickle off of their ass. You are going to be looking hot as hell. Not that you are not amazing now (I just peeked at your pic on your website – to determine the appropriate superheroette outfit for you).

    Sigh. I am going to have to put the chicken wings down and reconsider taking the challenge. Mmmm mmm. I can’t have you saving all of the white boys…

    ;-)

  84. JD says:

    Lisa wants me ;-)

  85. Lisa says:

    True. African American is a dumb phrase. I say it out of politeness (I work in a very PC environment). But I gently remind people that America is not the Only Place In the World With Black People, nor is it the center of the world. The entire rest of the globe refers to black people as…well…black people.

    I was discussing Prince Harry (because I often obsess on freckly redheads) and referred to his African girlfriend – the person I was talking to stopped me and said OMG she’s black? And I was like um, no. But she is African. They then tried to argue that since she was not black, she was not a real African. The girl is from Zimbabwe like her parents and grandparents. That would qualify as African. But they remained unswayed. Sigh.

    I have absurd conversations like that more than I care to admit.

  86. JD says:

    Gary Player was a non-African-American South African

  87. Karl says:

    I think Michelle Obama could totally take Teresa Heinz-Kerry in a cage match for the title of first African-American First Lady.

  88. baldilocks says:

    I completely agree: it’s ridiculous. It’s also ridiculous that our culture seems to still pretty much use the “One Drop Rule,” because, simply, labeling people by race is very rarely helpful. [snip]

    Yes, that means that under this logic, Obama’s children can call themselves African-American but Barack himself can’t. Stupid labeling systems tend to give stupid results. And as I’ve said, pretty much any term you can think of that’s been used to describe those of African ancestry except “African-American” can be used to describe Barack Obama.

    I never saw or heard anyone (other than interracial persons or their families) discussing this until Obama came on the scene.

    That makes me think that this is an issue of convenience. After all, Colin Powell has lighter skin than Obama, but no one says a thing about whether he’s an “African American” or not. And CP’s parents are from one of the Caribbean Islands–i.e. not immigrants to the US.

    See?

    Lisa,

    The BFL does take work but it’s worth it. I tried it before, did finish but was still looking pretty hot for a bit. (That photo is from three years and an unmentionable number of pounds ago. But thanks. :-)

    For me, it’s putting down the Hersey’s Kisses. Also quit smoking back in October.

    BTW, white guys, we hand out here because of the hot Jew.

  89. baldilocks says:

    did finish=didn’t finish

  90. Karl says:

    Yeah we totally need to get our hands some JG training videos for the ladies.

  91. baldilocks says:

    “I was discussing Prince Harry (because I often obsess on freckly redheads) and referred to his African girlfriend – the person I was talking to stopped me and said OMG she’s black? And I was like um, no. But she is African.”

    LOL!

  92. JD says:

    I am willing to become a Joooooooooooooo. ;-)

  93. baldilocks says:

    i.e. not immigrants to the US=i.e. not immigrants from Africa.

  94. Karl says:

    The president of my law school class — who was Jewish (and quite liberal to boot) — offered to put me up for honorary mensch.

  95. Karl says:

    …and if you know your Yiddish, you’d know that’s pretty close to being a Lightworker.

  96. baldilocks says:

    “Lightworker”

    ::::runs away screaming:::

  97. cranky-d says:

    Karl, I have the feeling it won’t be seconded by thor or ProggHero.

  98. Rick Ballard says:

    “because of the hot Jew”

    Hmmm – I wonder if I can find a Torah cover that will fit “The Book of Common Prayer” on ebay. I suppose it would have to be calfskin…

  99. CArin -BONC says:

    It may be a Detroit thing, but here the BIG (black) thing is fried shrimp. I can’t tell you how many corner joints sell fried shrimp.

    So, the moral of the story, is if you’re a TWP with a bunch of black people working under you in Detroit, go for the fried shrimp.

    Fried shrimp are pretty yummy – but they are so good unfried and much less a detriment to your waist.

    Baldi – I briefly tried the BFL stuff, but couldn’t really get a good rhythm going. I did Jeff’s dealo – P90-X – and was able to do a lot better.

  100. baldilocks says:

    Baldi – I briefly tried the BFL stuff, but couldn’t really get a good rhythm going.

    That seems to be a common problem with you guys.

    /low hanging fruit

    One thing that’s necessary, bring a notebook to keep track of progress.

  101. CArin -BONC says:

    Well, I practically tied that one up in a fraking bow for you ;)

    My complaint about body for life – and this is personal issue – is that it seemed more weights and less cardio than I like to do. P90X lets me do cardio 4 days and weights the other three. Perhaps BFL can be done that way, but (as I said) I couldn’t ever really find a groove. I’m on my second round of p90X – although this second set I’m doing it a bit more freeform.

  102. dicentra says:

    Yeah, I have some friends from South Africa who are now in the States, and so technically they’re African-American, but they’re whiter than I am.

    That’s where the term “negro” came in, to mean “sub-Saharan black African,” but there’s all that cultural baggage attached. I mean, I’ve known folks from India whose skin is darker than dark, and then there’s the Australian Aborigines who are plenty dark.

    All a good reason to use “black,” “brown,” and “white” only when referring to skin color, when you’re pointing out someone in a crowd or giving a description to the police.

    Other than that, who gives a flip?

  103. B Moe says:

    Other than that, who gives a flip?

    You might be surprised.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/201563.php

    I don’t believe Rove’s juxtaposition of the African-American Obama at a country club was just a clumsy attempt to paint Obama as a type of elitist contrary to his background.

    The key to the statement is that in the image he is with “a beautiful date.” Not Michelle Obama or, in the abstract, his wife, i.e. a wife like Michelle Obama. When you think of a “beautiful date” specifically at a country club, do you picture an African-American woman?

    These people are unbelievable. Do they not realize what they are saying about themselves?

  104. baldilocks says:

    Rhythm–tee hee

    My complaint about body for life – and this is personal issue – is that it seemed more weights and less cardio than I like to do.

    I have a similar problem–cutting down the cardio time rather than the days attempted.

    B Moe: I’m thinking about tangling with that ridiculousness. There’s probably somet post here at PW I could use.

  105. dicentra says:

    You might be surprised.

    Surprised that left-wingers are obsessed about race and class and tribe?

    Yeah. Knock me down with a bulldozer.

  106. Ric Locke says:

    African-American

    Regards,
    Ric

  107. Spies, Brigands, and Pirates says:

    Is Ralph Nader speaking for all white people?

    Nader is an Arab. I vote that he shut up on everything except Arab issues.

    Actually, I vote that he shuts up on those as well.

  108. Mikey NTH says:

    But I still dig my O-Smoove.

    I dig my fun, too. I enjoy playing the fool when I can, where I can. I also know when it is time to put the fool away and be a grown-up again. A presidential election – any election – is no time to play the fool.

    But that’s just me, I’m square like that – I’m no hep cat; you dig, kitten? ;)

  109. Mikey NTH says:

    Lisa,

    I just Hope you’re not setting up your friend for the suggestion that — with Summer coming on — nothing is tastier than some seasonal watermelon.

    /denounce

    A fruit tray and a cheese tray in the breakroom always goes down well. I know I like those – look! Lunch!

    This comes from the guy who holds the office coffee fund and makes the coffee in the morning. Because I am usually there first or second, and I like helping out. (I also repair office furniture and have saved the state a few bucks doing that – and fixing things is fun!)

  110. Mikey NTH says:

    Or cookies, or bagels. Food is always good.
    When I was in law school and a speaker was scheduled, the school would advertise the speaker and note that food would be provided immediately after. A guarantee for a good-sized audience.

  111. Mikey NTH says:

    #66 Sdferr – actually I was thinking that ensemble that Condoleezza Rice wore when visiting that military base – the high boots, the skirt, the tunic that butoned in front – the ‘Darth Rice’ photo.

    Damn; I mean just, damn. That ‘Dark Lady of the Sith’ look was so…damn.

    cue the “Imperial March”. http://www.blueoregon.com/2005/02/turns_out_darth.html

  112. CArin -BONC says:

    have a similar problem–cutting down the cardio time rather than the days attempted.

    If I recall correctly, BFL advocates 20 minutes of intense cardio, right? I’m more of a 40-50 minutes kinda gal. I do P90-X weight routines M-W-F and my own cardio T-Th -Sat-Sun and on any other day I feel up to it. Just works better for me.

  113. Mike Pellegrino says:

    I guess you do not have to be a Republican to be a RACIST.

  114. THE REAL ISSUES says:

    There are racists in all parties and Ralph Nader has established himself as one. He will not be a factor to any future elections because if that’s all he can say to show how is different and how he would be the next president of the United States….well his words speak mountains……BIGOTRY.

    NOW THE REAL ISSUES: The Iraq War/ Problems in Afghanistan/ THE ECONOMY/ THE HIGH RATE OF FORECLOSURES/ THE ‘NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND’ POLICIES AND WE HAVE 50% or more not graduating in several major cities….the devalued housing market/ the devalued dollar/ Katrina Response/ The Veteran’s hospital that was in the backyard of the White House/ Veterans without medical care/ Average Americans without medical care policies/ Students who can’t get loans for college/ Less financial grants and scholarships/ Immigration/
    Senator John McCain has supported the presidential policies 90-95%

    Does Ralph Nader have information about THE REAL ISSUES or is the issue to him the color of a person’s skin. Senator Obama is a graduate of Harvard Law School and was the president of the Harvard Law Review. He is a lawyer, past State Senator and U.S. Senator. Nader also graduated from Harvard and he has run for president 5 times and all he can point to is that he could have been the spoiler for former Vice-president and presidential candidte Al Gore in Florida. And due to this alternative “no win” candidate, along with the Supreme Court Decision, we have the present administration…..

  115. This comes from the guy who holds the office coffee fund and makes the coffee in the morning.

    after one scary employment situation I decided I’d never work someplace that didn’t provide coffee. There’s something very wrong with an employer that can’t spring for cheap stimulants.

    and have saved the state a few bucks

    I rest my case. ;D

  116. Peter Lisbeth says:

    Ralph Nader’s comment on Barack Obama

    Mr. Ralph Nader’s remark on Barack is very unfortunate and deeply flawed. I perceive that Ralph is envious of Obama’s accomplishments. His voicing that sentiment is totally over the board. It’s unthinkable for any patriotic American to hold such senseless and divisive ideology. His views are completely out of touch with the America of the 21st century. For God sake, Barack Obama is gunning for POTUS as a quintessential American, not as white, black or colored. He’s remarkably appealing to all Americans, and indeed the whole world thinks highly of the Obama’s brand of politics. It’s completely out of place to pigeonhole him and nail him to a particular section of the American society, even though he has never for once denied his root and the deepest influences upon his life. Barack should be given an “A” for having a good understanding of the treasured diversity of the American folks. Honestly speaking, Obama has achieved what looks most impossible political legacy for the best leaders – bringing all Americans together! The country will surely be better for it. The Naders of America should for the sake of the founding fathers give Obama a credit for his patriotism and courage in coming out to serve the most vibrant people on the planet.

  117. Peter Lisbeth says:

    Today, people all over the world are desparately looking for born statemen and women. People everywhere are asking whether it is possible to have an Obama in their midst, and have praised Americans for building a system that is capable of producing special talents. It’s unbelievable Ralph Nader has failed recognize the qualities in Senator Barack Obama. This where most americans are steps ahead of Ralph. He has the mindset of America of the 50s, and he should be pitied for failing to recognize the positive transformation that is going on presntly. He should be sincere enough to give Obama the credit that he well deserves.

  118. […] Ralph Nader: Barry O isn’t black enough. […]

  119. JD says:

    Peter – I will keep this short and sweet. You are a fucking blithering idiot.

  120. Jack says:

    To Karl (I couldn’t find your email address): On the whole I think it is a good post. The last sentence, for example, is humorous and to the point. I just think the post would be much improved if you deleted “and fulltime nimrod”.
    jackcaughran@gmail.com

  121. BJTex says:

    Jack: Your sense of humor is still waiting for you to call.

  122. B Moe says:

    “…even though he has never for once denied his root…”

    Wow. Michelle must be really understanding.

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  125. anon says:

    what the hell is this
    where is ralph
    and ifn it be truth in advertising
    advocate this
    summize ada : aka IDEA section 508 on accessibility or byte me
    the end.

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