The UN’s top nuclear watchdog, Mohamed ElBardei, tells Der Spiegel in an upcoming interview that the current trend of atomic proliferation is creating an unprecedented threat to world peace. Unilateral military actions, like Israel’s strike against Syria last fall, he says, are only making matters worse.
By my count, Israel has stopped nuclear prolifieration in Iraq and Syria, which ElBaradei and the IAEA failed to do. Moreover, the push for proliferation in the Mideast seesm more the result of the feckless efforts of ElBaradei and others regarding Iran than any nuclear capacity Israel has — as such has been thought to exist long before the new push.ÂÂ
OTOH, in a perverse way, ElBaradei is right about “world peace.” Clearly, there would be “world peace” if Israel’s neighbors and their affiliated terror groups were allowed to wipe it off the map and eventually install a global Caliphate. But not everyone is down with that agenda, which does constitute a threat to “world peace,” in much the same way that the opposition to various odious ideologies in the 20th century threatened “world peace.”
(h/t Memeorandum.)
“The UN’s top nuclear watchdog, Mohamed ElBardei,” a muslim from Egypt. Oops let’s leave that part out.
The backers of O! put a lot of stock in international institutions such as the UN. So, what has the UN been up to lately?
[…]A former Lenin Prize winner as General Assembly president and cruel Burma as vice president – another sick joke from the U.N.
O?
Unilateral military actions, like Israel’s strike against Syria last fall, he says, are only making matters worse.
Do you think the Mad Mullahs’ “fox in the henhouse” is still pissy about Osirak, too?
Test.
that global caliphate thing I honestly did not expect from you, Karl.
I know you as on objective commenter without the Pam Geller’s shrillness.
Were Iraq and Syria aiming for caliphate?
Was the caliphate inspirational aim of a few thousand die hards in Afghanistan desert?
Why do you employ the misleading crap used by the guy who lost his marbles – D.Horowitz…
Iraq and Syria did not want global caliphate, even if we agree just for the hack of it , that they persued weapons.
as I have lately determined that I will be as brief as possible, I say this:
UN cocksucking, thieving assholes!
Why do we give these Obamaisats one fucking red cent?
Let them screw with each other, instead of looking at the US as a cheap date who will swallow any amount of … whatever… for a bottle of Ripple.
Out! Out! Out! Get these cheesy morons off of our soil.
“Was the caliphate inspirational aim of a few thousand die hards in Afghanistan desert?”
Um. Yes you dolt.
yes, dre the dolt, that is what I am saying to Karl.
learn to read.
“Were Iraq and Syria aiming for caliphate?
“Iraq and Syria did not want global caliphate…”
– Sometimes sashal your willfull blindness is simply breathtaking.
– Can you say “12th Imam”. I know you can. AhkmanDinnerJacket even imagines he gets visitations from same, at Theocratic assemblies no less. Literily surrounds him in a fog of spiritual aura, it does,
– Not only do they dream of a Caliphate, they believe if they don’t attain it in some reasonable time frame, they’re toast, which is about the only thing they have right.
– Since the Imam’s and leaders in Tehran themselves proclaim this to the world, loudly and clearly without fail almost every chance they get, it would really be enlightening if you could tell us where you get all this counter-intelligence you post almost every day of the week.
– We’ll wait.
Oh. And Sashal?
You are dumber than a sack of hammers when it comes to history and human nature.
You actually believe the absolute bullshit you are spewing? You really think that Obama is the answer? A guy with a big cock and an empty suit? Go for it, genius.
Jimmuh Carter’s presidency is going to look good compared to O!, if O! is elected.
“Equal misery for all!” That is the “Liteworker’s” theme.
And, stupid me, I thought the constitution said: “Equal OPPORTUNITY for all”. But I guess if your vocabulary consists of 500 words or less, you are being discriminated against, because you are too fucking stupid to live, and ANYTHING negative said about you is grounds for murder. Kinda like AQ. “Equal misery for all”, and the destruction of the fundamental human truths that underlie this country.
Yeah. I know, Sashal.
I am the “fascist”, and yoiu are the “enlightened one”.
Yeah. Yeah. I’m a RACIST!!
I don;t think so. I am a jerkist, and fucking stupid jerks piss me off to no end.
How does putting three fourty-four magnum rounds through the engine of your Caddy help it run better?
God help us. The founding fathers would be picking up guns again if they saw this bullshit that the proggs are trying to pull.
Stupidity and willful illiteracy. The proud inheritance of the proggs.
hunter, did you just embarrass yourself?
I was talking about socialist dictatorship in Syria and defunct one in Iraq.
No, they did not have the goal of establishing caliphate.
What you are talking is the shia with their 12th imam belief, who are majority in Iran, yes, and we were not talking about Iran. Not me specifically .
Now as far as Iran’s claim of establishing global caliphate, would you like to let us all know, where did you get such a great intelligence info?
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Comment by sashal on 6/7 @ 8:14 pm #
yes, dre the dolt, that is what I am saying to Karl.
learn to read.”
Will do. Are you an idiot in real life?
sashal;
“No, they did not have the goal of establishing caliphate.”
Can you Tarot cards?
Iraq and Syria did not want global caliphate
You’re kidding, right? You really believe that Saddam and both Assads didn’t wank off to the fantasy of global domination on more than one occasion?
Hint: “realized they had no realistic way of achieving it” and “did not want it” are two entirely different things.
Well f’em do idiot
lost dog, do you like to talk to yourself?
Do you like to regurgitate mindless talking points?
You are indeed stupid.
Yes, I am much smarter then you .
Your idiotic post proved that, moron
SPB, I guess you may have proof for your claim about threat of caliphate to the world emanated from Syria and Iraq ?
I bet $10 you wanked off on the fantasy to be the porno star…
guess you may have proof for your claim about threat of caliphate to the world
I didn’t say anything about a “threat”. In fact, I strongly implied that no such threat was extant.
What YOU said was “did not WANT”.
That’s bullshit, sashal.
– Nice try sashal, no cigar.
– No one has mentioned Iraq and a Caliphate in the same sentence that I know of.
– You alluded to Syria as being unattached to desires for a Caliphate. Syria, Damascus, is the Eastern front of the Arab Brotherhood. The aim of that org is, and always has been, a world wide Caliphate. That is a matter of their own posted manifesto.
– Oh, and stop trying to mealy mouth the Shi’a thing. All of the terrorist groups that come under the brotherhood banner, including the core of al Qaeda, the Wahhabists, are down with the Caliphate, and are more than happy to set aside differences in a common attack on the West.
– You need to pay close attention to your secprog memo’s. The “Narrative(tm)” is about to change, as Iraq transitions into a stable ME democratic country. Thats little “problem” for your gaggle is going to be a real bitch to wiggle out of. You might start thinking of putting on the brakes on the “Hate Bush” screed. Its way past its shelf life. Even O! is showing he gets the message.
sashal
“SPB, I guess you may have proof for your claim about threat of caliphate to the world emanated from Syria and Iraq ?”
Nah some guy named Mohamed in the 7th century. It is called the Korananimal Guide to Killing Infidels. It happened at the corner of Aisha and MoTown in Mecca.
Oh, and sashal? If Saddam had no caliphate ambitions, why did he force genealogists to add him to the list of Muhammad’s descendants?
SPB, 22
for consolidating power with religious population in Iraq .
Stalin did similar thing when he started promoting Romanov dynasty and connections his totalitarian rule had with Tsars.
Right when this was psychologically important during the war with Germany…
The Caliphate has several seats,over 1300 years Damascus under the Umayyads,Baghdad under the Abbasids, Cairo under the Fatimids, and Istanbul under the Ottomans, The Baathists both in Iraq and Syria, have been around for a fly speck of that time. Now would
they succeed like Germany resurrecting
their Holy Roman territories or Italy casting for new colonies in Libya and
Ethiopia, as well as N. Africa. That’s
not the question. Riyadh for all it’s pretentions has never been part of the
Caliphate,
– Well then sashal. In the space of half a dozen posts you make a claim that Saddam had no interest in the Caliphate, and the post the reason he did. Huh?
– And of course, as usual when you get caught in a spurious claim, you veer off in a different direction. You really do need to update your rhetoric, you’re slipping behind the current talking points.
– Did you wander to far away from your meds again?
– troy, then maybe you should fire off an email to Damascus, because apparently the brotherhood is confused and in dire need of your direction and guidance.
#25.
Hunter, long day? had a few shots of strong liquor?
Saddam wanted to consolidate and secure his power in Iraq with religious population, that’s why the need for tying himself to Mohammad’ family. But regime itself was quite secular.
– Any day one has to deal with your tendentious repeats of thinly disguised Jihadist apology making can be a long day sashal, aside from the fact that I personally do not thing that Saddams ego-mania held any room for sharing power in any way. But you did make a point, and then promptly countradicted it in the sense of Hussein “having no interest in the Caliphate”. Saddam was all about interest in anything that would consolidate his power, particularly when he fell into loggerheads with the US. So in that sense I suppose I agree with you. Caliphate was not of any real interest to him.
– All of which has not a thing to do with what I called you on, and several posts later I’m still awaiting some response or another where you show that the Arab Brotherhood simply doesn’t exist or some such silly claim. Other than that you are erudite as usual. Ugh.
troy wrote:
“The Caliphate has several seats,over 1300 years Damascus under the Umayyads,Baghdad under the Abbasids, Cairo under the Fatimids, and Istanbul under the Ottomans, The Baathists both in Iraq and Syria, have been around for a fly speck of that time. Now would
they succeed like Germany resurrecting”
Fuckin’ read the Korananimals guide to the Universe.
– Its in their blood dre. The Secproggs, for reasons of convieniance, take the position that the Fascist based regimes are just ranting empty threats when the do their Jihad dance. 9/11 of course is an abberition. End of story. Well that and demonizing any effort of the West to defend itself.
– They have to do this, because their own ideology is based on a post-modern version of soft Marxist eugenetics, a decidedly fascist like ideology, and if they condemn the Jihad, they condemn themselves. Not likely to happen anytime soon, so they pull for a US loss in Iraq, hamstring any way they can government efforts to safeguard the country, and just generally make a pain in the ass of themselves.
– Now, with the signs in Iraq all pointing to stabilization, they’re caught in a very awkward corner. I can’t say I wish them well. They would have happily been willing to see us bite it in the ME, simply for a lust for power.
– I’m with Ric. Nail ’em up. The ones that return are authentic.
Troy
Is
Not
A
Secprog
Occasionally a decoder ring would be handy but I doubt that he has missed the import of the argument. I would have tossed in Saddam’s alignment with Salah Ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub (a Kurd, born, oddly enough, in Tikrit – what a coincidence) myself. Tossing out the crusading infidels and all that stuff.
– Rick, I do not make those sorts of accusations. I was emphasizing the core problem with sashals usually obtuse suggestions. In this case trying to confuse the sectarian differences with the main thrust of the common terrorist aims. Sorry if I left that impression.
BBH,
Perhaps I misinterpreted (boy, like that would be a first). Calling Sashal a Secprog is actually a gesture of kindness. Troy just has a load of info on the history of the ME and a writing style which can be a bit difficult to interpret.
Probably due to all his surfer days on Playa Varadero.
But regime itself was quite secular.
And the financial rewards to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers? Were those just for chuckles?
– Actually Maybee, its entirely plausible that the great meglo-maniac of the ME, even he, realized at the 11th hour he was headed for disaster, that he had tickled the dragon once to often, and at that point was trying a last gasp effort to garner support from any place he could find it.
– For instance, as crazy as it sounds, I have a suspicion he may have even reached out secretly to his arch enemies in Iran. I would not be the least surprised if that came out at some point as more and more information comes to light from that era.
– Of course Iran had a double edged sword in either rebuffing him, or supporting him. I think this time they realized the US was not going to simply drop some bombs and leave. If we would have waited another number of years as the SecProggs are so found of screeching that we should have, he might have actually acquired those WMD’s, and things would have been terribly different.
“Comment by sashal on 6/7 @ 8:34 pm #
lost dog, do you like to talk to yourself?
Do you like to regurgitate mindless talking points?
You are indeed stupid.
Yes, I am much smarter then you .
Your idiotic post proved that, moron”
Don’t make me laugh, whoever you are, “Sashal”.
Talking points? You are too retarderd to understand that I am talking about “living points”. It appears to me that the only one in this fight who0 i8s using “talking points” is “freedomofied” Sashal.
Ho, Ho, Ho, Ho, Ho, Ho, Ho!
You are one of those people that thinks that FEELING BAD will get some good pussy. You can get that stuff without being “sensitive”. Ya know? No. I don’t think you do.
Reality begs to disagree. You are the asshole here, because you give not even a nod to history, or human nasture.
You are a child, thinking that I AM THE ASSHOLE HERE! Once again. Don’t make me laugh. Your “towering intellect”, on a good day, might reagh my knees. Isn’t it amazing how testosterone can distort reality?
I am LMAO, and seriously thinking of moving to Costa Rica, because clueless assholes like you are about to achieve power. And, PLEASE! DO NOT read the constitution!
Good luck to you, Bubba, “cause your gonna be hurtin’, for a long, long time” when the proggs take power. When they do, you won’t DARE to disagree.
You can call me a moron all you want. but all you are saying to me is that you (and your dipshit Obamessiah syncophants) are as stupid and uneducated as it comes.
You call me a moron? Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho-Ho!
Why don’t you read the constitution when you have some spare time? Too much trouble for a shooting star like you?
There is only one moron in this dust up, and it ain’t the Lost Dog.
Hmmmmm…
Who could the uninformed, “I want something for nothing” Bozo be in this imbroglio?
Hey, Sashal! We all deserve something for nothing, right?
That is ObamaLamaDingDong’s message.
Obama _ “Fuck the prople who bust their asses to have a good life! They OWE money to people who think their job is to smoke a bunch of pot and crack, and then DEMAND to be taken care of.
No, Sashal. I am not the moron here, YOU ARE!
I hope that someday you will grow up, and realize that personal responsibility is personal responsibility.
And it has nothingn to do with racism, sexism, or any ither “…ism”
You are the moron here. I have been around the block more than a few times, so I am not some nerd who lives in his basement (unlike you).
You are absolutely stupid, and your stance proves it every time you open your mouth (keyboard).
You are as scary as all the other people who don’t give a fuck about history, because “it means nothing”, and YOU are smartetr than the billions of people who have gone before us!
Yup. You are smarter than all the history in the recorded world.
Go fuck yourself, because, with your intellect, I’m sure your dick reaches your ass…
Next?
Good Points, BBH.
I guess I’m mostly thinking, if Saddam was truly secular, why did he never reach out to Israel? Or the US, for that matter.
Well, I guess “spellcheck might have been a good idea, huh?
The establishment of a global caliphate would not result in “world peace”. Given the history of bloodshed and power politics within the islamic caliphate that existed in the past, I would expect nothing less if the current promoters of the caliphate were allowed to attain power. Basically, there is no peaceful resolution, only a choice of whose blood will be spilled and how much. A lot of people absolutely refuse to accept that, but that doesn’t change the reality we face.
The establishment of a global caliphate would not result in “world peaceâ€Â. Given the history of bloodshed and power politics within the islamic caliphate that existed in the past, I would expect nothing less if the current promoters of the caliphate were allowed to attain power.
gebrauchsund – I suspect it would be like throwing a bunch of Paultards together in one place and expecting them to establish rules governing themselves.
The stuff from ElBardei in Karl’s post is priceless, though. What nuclear weapons programs has he actually gotten right? Not Iran, not Pakistan, not India, not Libya, apparently not Syria, I’m not sure how to score Iraq. Not North Korea.
Folks addressed most of sashal’s non-points while I was out, to which I would add that Syria, like Iran, backs Hezbollah. According to the eeeeevil Council on Foreign Relations:
And Saddam pretended to be a descendant of Mohammed, for some reason, though he was undoubtedly less sincere about it than others.
gebrauchsund – I suspect it would be like throwing a bunch of Paultards together in one place and expecting them to establish rules governing themselves.
Right, or Progressives.
Two further points.
Had sashal fully understood my final paragraph, he might have recognized that the point about the global Caliphate was not pointed specifically at Iraq and Syria in the first instance. Rather, I am pointing out that ElBaradei is operating from the premise that “world peace” is the the best and highest goal of his efforts — and to note that “peace” is not always a desirable outcome. All sorts of people could have walked away from fighting the USSR (and left sashal to his fate), but they didn’t precisely because they recognized that the USSR’s version of “peace” was unacceptable.
To go a step further, attaining “world peace” is not the job of the IAEA. ElBaradei is supposed to provide accurate information to those whose job it actually is to make decisions about war and peace.
Hence, his entire premise here undermines his credibility — and thus ironically threatens “peace.”
I got it, Karl.
While we can discuss the intricacies of different arab/ mulsim regimes secular or not + Persian shia influences,+ stateless terrorists indeed hell bend on establishing hard islamic control over secular world:-
the amount of ignorance displayed in many comments about this issues , the primitivism of info knocked down into their heads by FOX-like master brainwashers is astounding.
Folks,to fight the enemy, perceived , imaginative or real, we need to know about him, understand him, etc,,,
Your ignorance on the issues , the rigidness of your approach , the unwillingness to learn and even consider the situation “but what if I am wrong” is not helpful.
#17
Comment by sashal on 6/7 @ 8:34 pm #
lost dog, do you like to talk to yourself?
Do you like to regurgitate mindless talking points?
You are indeed stupid.
Yes, I am much smarter then you .
Your idiotic post proved that, moron
27 comments after this? Amazing!
I mean, in less than 40 words, sasha makes his case and destroys all points previously made and points ever to follow.
Great job Karl. You walked right into sasha’s trap and now with his Obama-like dismissal of all facts – or as Barry would put it, “I’m not going to get into that. That’s just a distraction” – he has rendered this blog completely flaccid.
Wait, let me read sasha’s comment #17 again…………
….check that, with sasha’s concise word-laser-surgery, he has made all thought obsolete and now there is nothing left for the rest of us to do but curl up in a dark place and wait for the end. sasha’s comment #17 will surely be chiseled into the base of the sashal Monument for all to see and wonder.
Thank you, thank you, alppucino(bowing with appreciation) for the kind words.
Please, stop the applause.
I did what I can do to show the dog his place.
You are not him, are you ?
Because i noticed slight concern for his well being….
verifies through its inspection system that States comply with their commitments, under the Non-Proliferation Treaty and other non-proliferation agreements, to use nuclear material and facilities only for peaceful purposes.
Has the IAEA ever successfully handled this part of its’ mission statement?
Teh irony, it is stifling.
On ElBaradei — he’s not just Egyptian, he’s the government-appointed head of their nuclear program. The odds that he’s an honest broker are vanishingly small.
Israel will attack Iran this summer. Iran will openly attack the U.S. in Iraq, and unleash suicide bombers in the states. The U.S. will then join the conflict in self-defense, and the obliteration of Iran will begin. McCain will win in a landslide, capitalizing on the conflict. It will be a wonderful summer. I can’t wait.
Comment 50.
“…It will be a wonderful summer. …”
That is beyond stupid, into Cruel&Ugly world.
I didn’t notice that sashal attacked the Lost Dog like that because I started skipping his comments earlier in the thread. Sashal didn’t start out on this board as such a hostile person.
Lost Dog is a wonderful character, and I enjoy him much.
so, MayBee , you will address lost dog’s behavior in the next post I guess when he first attacked me?
You being so fair and such?
El Baradei is the UN half of A Q Khan, the Pakistani nuke dealer. The only reason Muslims haven’t perfected the bomb is that they are basically too stupid to get the job done, as endomorph El Baradei, a Muslim Trojan Horse, is trying to assist them in every way.
Well MayBee, the problem with sashal is that he’s sucked down so much of the ObamalamaDingDong Essence that his IQ has dropped about 20 points, while his Obnoxiousness Quotient has increased by about 50 points.
This is why I’ve started just skipping over most of his posts, as I have nishi’s. Because above all, and just like nishi, he does not appear to be able to think his way out of a New Orleans whorehouse, but boy howdy, he sure can spout Teh Narrative with the best of them…:(
No, sashal. I’ve never pretended to be fair.
Folks,to fight the enemy, perceived , imaginative or real, we need to know about him, understand him, etc,,,
Fine, how about you stop being such a condescending prick and enlighten us. What do you know about Iran and the UN that should ease our minds about their nuclear capabilities and intents?
Election Season Trolls.
More of them, more vitriol, more stupid, less actual content.
Yay.
What was the topic again? Oh, yeah, the most useless head of the IAEA ever. I never tire of pointing out that a “barad” is a meteor, i.e. fiery death from the sky.
Anyway, as has been pointed out, EB has been wrong on every nuclear issue, and better yet has actively taken the side of terror nations seeking nukes by providing cover for them.
Man should be in prison, not just fired.
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