an imaginary Soviet.
Why the hell can’t the Dems give us any candidates who aren’t compulsive (and rather stupid) liars?
UPDATE: Just for the howls, I’m going to dub this restructuring of reality “barrystroika.” Also, you can consider this as supplementary to Karl’s post, above.
More: Perhaps the Chinese are more enlightened than we
Still more, in case you can’t understand my skepticism:
A year ago, Barack Obama addressed a group in Selma, AL commemorating the 1965 voting rights march. He credited the event with giving his parents the idea that they could have a child. The result was him–Barack Obama, Child of Destiny. The only problem is he was born in 1961.
“What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation…This young man named Barack Obama…came over to this country. He met this woman…(who) had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided…it might…be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama… So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don’t tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama.
I’m here because somebody marched.” http://www.barackobama.com/2007/03/04/selma_voting_rights_march_comm.php
I WAS THERE! My daughter, Siouxsie, was conceived there! But by whom I will never know! Woodstock was not just a concert, but a way of life, it was a breakthrough where we as a whole community fought to revive peace & love! Not War!!! We were NOT rebellious, just anxious and curious! Most of us were teenagers, but we were very smart and knowledgeable about the politics that were corrupting our world in 1969!!! Woodstock lives in my heart FOREVER! I will never forget the music, the people, the drugs, the mud, the smell (it stunk!), and the peace and togetherness of us all! Jimi Hendrix is (was) a wonderful person to chat with! I drank with him a few times! I was a groupie! So I met alot of famous singers! Including Iron Butterfly, Jefferson Airplane, The Who, ETC! Woodstock was a fun memory and it still lives in our hearts forever! PEACE! and Love your Neighbor man!! P.S. Since I was a traveling hippie, I was also at the famous Monterey Pop Festival in San Fransisco, CA. where all my hippie road dogs still live today! PEACE, ATLANTA
Atlanta Lassiter – Phoenix, AZ
I was wondering when you would get around to mentioning this. I think it makes sense: His mother was a possible beatnik commie floozy, so it would follow that his uncle was a Russian soldier/Auschwitz liberator.
Seriously though, I am also wondering what is up with our delusional fabulists/candidates. Somehow, Karl Rove is behind this. I know it. The fat fucker.
So it was Buchenwald. His uncle DID PARTICIPATE IN LIBERATING CONCENTRATION CAMP.
Mistake in remembering family history, not lie.
If mixing up two names of things (never mind people) is lying, then we are all guilty many times a day.
Get a life, people….
our delusional fabulists/candidates
That would be YOUR delusional fabulist/candidates. McCain actually did spend time as a POW.
POTATOE
sasha:
“There were two obvious problems with the tale: Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviet Army, and Obama’s American mother was an only child.”
McCain’s response:
“So your great uncle locked himself in the attic with a case of 40’s because he saw some bad things? Try 5 1/2 years in 4×8 cell hanging from your arms behind your back, FUCKNUTS!@!!!@! Here’s a hanky Barry, you might still be able to catch that single tear of ‘I know what I’m talking about’ before it hits the cold, unfeeling ground.”
uncle -can uncle be a mother’s cousin?
Anyway the story about Buchenwald is true.
or great uncle ?
Keep grasping, sashal. Clearly it was his mother’s great-great uncle’s cousin, twice removed.
I’m sorry, Sasha, but you know it’s true because . . . ?
here is the full info:
Obama’s uncle (his grandmother’s brother) helped liberate the Nazi camp at Buchenwald (Obama mixed up Auschwitz and Buchenwald). So the Republicans are trying to allege… what exactly? That Obama’s family did in fact help save the Jews in Europe, but Obama got the name of the camp wrong? And according to the US Holocaust Museum, Obama’s uncle’s Infantry Division didn’t just liberate one of the camps that made up Buchenwald. It was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by US troops in all of Germany. That’s pretty amazing.
To confuse Buchenwald and Auschwitz displays a remarkable careless attitude to detail of family history (a family history you are using to illustrate a point, and perhaps bone-up your family’s military contributions) and an ignorance of historical facts.
I mean, Bush’s geographical knowledge and gaffes supposedly reveal his inability to be president. Certainly historical knowledge is just as important as geography?
Because, “gaffes”, in all the years of Bush, weren’t just gaffes. Right? They revealed his idiocy.
yes, Carin, I agree and will never forgive Obama this mistake.
BTW, Bush’s gaffes did not bother me either, just his policies….
It’s been confirmed as a great-uncle (who was probably known as “uncle” to everyone in Obama’s family without him doing the extra step: I call my great-aunt “Aunt Helen” which makes me ineligible for public office.) And it’s a different concentration camp. In other words: not a lie, just a misstatement, and pretty fucking minor.
As for the Chinese: they probably just made a lot of black marketers a lot of money. Of course, authoritarian governments are best at that.
Still, I’m sure Sharon Stone and Bjork and Richard Gere (enemy of India, too) and whoever else gets those Communist fuckwads all tensed up aren’t missing out on much. If only such symbolic protests could matter. Maybe Little Steven can write “Ain’t Gonna Play Tiananmen Square” and the place will be free in… however many years it was going to take anyway.
Well, I do applaud him for stating that “the family story” is that he went to the attic and stayed there for months. But we’ve got a lot of Obama narratives that don’t exactly fadge with history. They’re just based on a true story.
His . . . someone . . . marched at Selma, too. Liberation: it’s in his DNA!
All American servicemen helped to liberate the Jews from the camps. The troops who actually physically liberated these places have only luck to thank. Is Obama trying to make some other claim here?
Anything untrue said by a Republican is a lie; anything untrue said by a Democrat is a mistake. It’s axiomatic.
Slarti – except, of course, occasionally untruth are said by Republicans because they are so stoopid.
Oh, I think it’s just Obama doing his level best to puff up his own resume. I mean, here we have a nothing whose only accomplishment is speaking nicely, running against a jet pilot who withstood years of torture then went on to a successful political career.
“It’s time for a change. No more electing our Presidents based on their family connections. By the way, my great-great-uncle was Moses.”
–Barack Obama
These “gaffes” are illustrative. Baracky claims to be some kind of new politician, that is not really a politician. Turns out, he is a lying crapweasel just like the rest of them.
In my neck of the south, we always called, informally, our great-uncles and aunts “Aunt” and “Uncle” ; anyone who thinks that use is playing fast and loose with family relationship titles is just being silly.
Howeverl, more troubling is the puffery that creeped into Obama’s story, especially since he was using it to set his bonafides on policy issues by maxing-out emotional reactions in his audience. He could easily have said “a Nazi concentration camp” or “nazi slave labor camp”, but that would have made him seem sketchy on the details and lessen the impact of his story.
I can’t decide which is more troubling – That a presidential candidate would consider “Auschwitz” an interchangeable generic for “concentration camp” in his own or the public’s understanding, or that he even believes it possible that his uncle was invovled in liberation of Auschwitz, or that he is just willing to fudge with specificity when short on facts, or that he might have selected “Auschwitz” on purpose to make his uncles experience seem all the more terrible, and to provoke more intense imagery than the name of a lesser-known camp would.
But WAIT theres more. I honor Obama’s uncles service, and I have no reason to doubt that the sights and smells of a concentration camp are enough to affect the lifetime outlook of a young man even if of short duration – I’m sure a little went a long way in that regard.
However 89th’s involvement in the liberation of Ordurf was brief. About three hours. Obama’s uncle may or may not have taken any direct part in it, and Obama may have been trying to coat himself in his uncle’s colors and bonafides and how personal experience of his uncle would shape his policy with regard to treatment of PTSD of soldiers….
From commenter Leigh at Ace of Spades blog – Ordruf was not
Ohrdruf, per the President, Society of the 89th Division, WWII:
Role of the 89th in that liberation, from a platoon leader of the 89th Recon Troop:
My 2nd Platoon was reconnoitering ahead of the infantry regiment (355th) on that day and we came upon this complex and two German soldiers who were guarding the front gates. We shot and killed one, and the other ran off. Setting up a modest defense, we entered the compound and saw first hand the horror of life in a Nazi concentration camp. We radioed our troop headquarters for instructions and were told to remain there, keeping the inmates contained (this was hardly necessary, as most were in their bunks, hardly able to walk) while HQ contacted the infantry to relieve us. In less than three hours, the infantry (3rd Battalion, 355th Inf) arrived and we were sent on a new mission.
http://www.89infdivww2.org/ohrdruf/ohrdrufintro.htm
Ordure, fer sure.
So how does the fact that Obamination’s Great Uncle Joe helping to free Buchenwald make his “GI Bill” more credible? For that matter, how does John McCain’s service lend more credibility to what he proposes? A GI Bill should not only provide benefits to the people who choose to serve, but ensure our military readiness. It seems that the longer you serve the more you deserve. If it doesn’t do both, then it isn’t the right bill to pass. We have lost all perspective and common sense.
Rob – That is too practical. Too real world.
There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama… So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don’t tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama. I’m here because somebody marched.â€Â
This is breath-taking in its mendoucheity. Couple that with his birth being 4 years prior, and it is staggering.
Kenyan sperm are not sprinters, they’re marathoners.
Regardless of who served and who didn’t and how the family tree forks or even if it doesn’t: Is it too much to expect a guy who wants to be friggin’ President of the United States with a resume as thin as a nacho chip and the assumption that he is one damn smart guy (what with the Harvard and all) to have in his possession the proper details of his own friggin’ family history for a major Memorial Day speech?
I laid the wood to McCain for his cluelessness when Ellen D. asked him about gay marraige. Campaigning is hard but being President is harder! Be properly prepared, state the facts and stop making excuses. And yes, sashal, a consistent pattern of factual gaffes does raise the question as to whether he is lying or eggregiously unprepared. He ain’t runnin’ for ward boss so the spotlight is fair and important.
I’m sick and tired of hearing tabout these gaffes and having people blow them off as “He’s/She’s tired.” I suspect they’ll be a little more tired in the Oval office if Pakistan and India are in a nuclear stand off or a terrosist explodes a dirty bomb in Omaha. Get it right or STFU!
BTW, newsflash to Obamadorites. PTSD was heretofore known as “shell shock” since WWI. Sorry Uncle Joe, there was a recognized condition for your long term attic habitation.
– Just how the fuck does a distant relative hiding in an attic lend itself to O’s bonafides…..He wasn’t even born yet. wtf?
– It appears, based on some of the feckless claims the Obama camp is trying to make for their inexperienced candidate, the new standard for experience is “did you read about it in a magazine, or see a report about it on the history channel?”
– This is an additional indication that Obama does not really comprehend, or pass on, the things he reads, and that he just reads whatever they shove in front of him.
Get it right or STFU!
Not a very affirmative action on your part BJ
Maybe Karl can answer this, but doesn’t this type of gaffe also reflect poorly on the kind of staff Obama has placed around himself? In a major speech, reflecting on perhaps O’s weakest trait (foreign relations) to make a mistake such as this seems also to say that his “people” just aint that bright.
his “people†just aint that bright
And why do Obama’s people think we’re as stupid as they are, or do they just like to rub it in by incessantly showing it to us – exactly as the morons like sashal, nishi, thor, etc., do?
Whatever, there’s something really perverse about Obama’s stupidity = Evil.
It is so easy to jump from “stupid ass” to “evil” in our public discourse isn’t it? Shit, Whatshisname Scott Card was right when he opined about how easy it would be for us to start fighting like hell with each other in this country.
Six months in the attic, though? That might be the biggest piece of bullshit in the whole tale. I could easily spend a day in my attic. Maybe even a whole week. But I have a big-screen TV and a fridge full of beer up there, not to mention an air conditioner and internet access.
So I can get blotto and surf porn all day when I’m not busy watching my entire DVD collection. But that’s going to wear thin after a while, I think.
Yeah, we’d fight like hell. Until the commercials were over and then we’d go back to watching “dancing with the stars” like brothers.
I will miss George W. and his non-stop hilarity. McCain doesn’t do stupid shit, and Obama doesn’t do funny stupid shit, just stupid shit.
#36: Yeah baby. Don’t forget the Hills – Heidi and Lauren bring us together as a nation.
Looking past the irony of Barry puffing his resume through associations — if he’s going to puff his resume through a Six Degrees of Separation technique, somebody needs to look at his Somali dad (with Kenyan citizenship) in light of the guys who took down the Blackhawk in Mogadishu and dragged Ranger bodies through the street. ‘Cause according to his own logic, maybe Barry has a claim on Blackhawk down, too.
Lisa – Lauren Conrad is the shiznit. Don’t go comparing her to that skeezy ho Heidi, unless you are going to include links to topless photos.
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#40: Yeah I love Lauren and Audrina. Heidi is an ass. But she is good for the show because she provides someone for Lauren to stare coldly at for several awkward minutes.
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