The fuckwadacity! The fuckwadacity!
You know, I seldom mention this, but if you’re ever hanging around bored you might think about clicking through some of the ads Jeff hosts here. If you buy a Learjet, though, tell them Glenn and Helen sent you.
Ever since Hillary had her shot and beer in Pennsylvania in response to Baracky’s elitist arugulations, Glenn’s been trying to burnish his regular American bona fides, for example, here, not so much here, but here, certainly. Greenwald sees right through your humble law prof facade, Mr. Prole, Mr. Common Touch, Mr. Everyday People.
Shorter Kurtz: “I am reaching deep into the recesses of my asscrack to seek the truth about Jeremiah Wright. Let’s discuss.”
Did you actually read the article? Or are you just in the mood to be a drama queen today? Jeebus you’re hyperventilating more than Nathan Lane in The Birdcage!
Really, Lisa? Do you think he’s wrong about the versions?
What is it that YOU think the good reverend was saying?
The two excerpts from “The Audacity of Hope” are not controversial at all. Yes Southerners who are still pissed off about the War of Northern Aggression say the EXACT SAME THING ABOUT LINCOLN ALL THE TIME. They say he never gave a damn about slavery, he just wanted the Union whole. I am inclined to agree. I am no less grateful that I am not picking cotton, however. I don’t really care why he emancipated slaves. I just care that he did it. And yes, Martin Luther King’s fiery Marxist rhetoric about the corporatocracy and the Vietnam war have been watered down in service the sweet, uncontroversial and palatable image that has been created since his assassination. But he really was kind of a wild eyed Marxist and he was not trying to make friends with the establishment. I don’t see anything incorrect about either of those excerpts.
Then Kurtz tries to link some other sermon where Wright talks about the evils of military service and Zionism to “The Audacity of Hope”. Which is where he starts digging deep in his asscrack for connections that just aren’t there. Stupid and sloppy, in my humble opinion.
Actually I think Lincoln find slavery abhorrent. But he was more concerned about the country being torn apart by a few morons in the South who were willing to throw this country in the trashbin for their right to keep slaves. The idiots. They deserved that whupping.
Anyway, I am going to bed. I am just doing some drive-by leftism tonight. I still love ya babe.
The more Lisa hangs around here, the longer she’ll have to spend away before Teh Leftishnessism breaks into her mind again.
We’ll miss her during those absences.
To quote the grandpa in Moonstruck, “I’m so confused.”
The Lisas should really find another way to identify themselves, ’cause this one isn’t nearly as intelligent (I don’t think) as the last one I read.
Speaking of clicking through the ads, that link to Know Your Fee, the
loansharkpayday loan industry site, is kind of creepy. People like that, trying to come on all responsible and good citizeny. 47% APR is just another reason I’m glad I’m not poor–being poor costs too much money!Actually I think Lincoln find slavery abhorrent. But he was more concerned about the country being torn apart by a few morons in the South who were willing to throw this country in the trashbin for their right to keep slaves. The idiots. They deserved that whupping.
That’s leftist? I need to check my bonafides again.
The reason Lincoln was focused on preserving the Union was precisely because he believed in freedom for all. He saw the US as the bastion of freedom in the world, so he believed that the disintegration of the Union was a threat to all human freedom. He was willing to compromise on the timeline for ending slavery and the means by which it would be accomplished, but he was uncompromising on the principle that it must be “placed on a course of extinction.” Southerners could not tolerate even that much, hence the war.
Ards-
He was willing to compromise on the timeline for ending slavery and the means by which it would be accomplished, but he was uncompromising on the principle that it must be “placed on a course of extinction.â€Â
“Freedom for some– at least ’til I’m out of office…” (See also “Jim Crow”)
I have to admit. Rev Wright is very good at victimology.
Here’s the real deal. You take care of your own business, ’cause nobody but Pelosi or Reid will even pretend to care about you. And believe me, they are only pretending.
The civil war is way over, and if anyone wants to put their back into it, regardless of color, it is there for you. I may be sort of pinkish white, but nobody is giving me a handout. In fact, being whitish pink makes it harder to get help from the idiocracy.
Not that I would suck whatever part from the morons of our beauracracy.
And I can’t believe that you Yankees don’t understand why the south is STIll pissed about the civil war.
The war was not about slavery, per se, it was about economics.
If the south had put their money into manufacturing instead of putting it up their butts, the outcome may very well have been different (And please don’t get me wrong here. I love the south – just don’t ever say the words “New York” when you go there).
Cotton (even free cotton) is pretty much useless when it comes to the battlefield, especially when your manufacturing base is one degree past NIL.
Slavery sucked. No way around it.
But WTF? My family didn’t arrive here until the 1880s.
So just why do I owe professional victims reparations? Is it because I am pinkish white, or because we have asshats who think that any pinkish white guy MUST pay for something that happened to someone long dead for almost one hundred and fifty years?
“I ain’t workin’ for no fuckin’ livin’. My great grand parents were slaves, and that’s why I strive to have a vocabulary of five hundred barely understandable words and blame everyone but myself for being a fucking useless idiot”
Go fuck yourself. I have never lived in (or even visited) South Africa, and there is no trace of slave owning in my family. So, tell me again why I owe a bunch of “I am a victim” people my first born?
Jerkist. Jerkist. Jerkist. That’s what I am, and only what I am. How stupid do you have to be to think that I owe you something for idiocy that occurred almost two hundred years ago?
No wonder you’re fucked. Grow up…
Eat me, morons.
VOTE OBAMA!!!!! The victims candidate.
Ooooohhhh! I feel so much better now…
The know your fee thing is creepy. For real I kind of like the concept of the service but I think it would be more better if maybe churches or community service orgs had funds they could use to do the bridge loan sort of thing a bit more reasonably. It’s not good if the whole concept gets discredited I don’t think, but the know your fee peeps are well on their way to accomplishing that I think.
If they are only charging a 47% APR, they are *remarkably* charitable and probably operating on damn near a break-even basis. The reason payday loansharks… er, loan companies charge so much, and marginal finance companies charge so much, is poor people are a bad loan risk. That said, *many* of these companies go way beyond making a profit and actually engage in abusive practices. With pretty solid profits in hand, however, they are able to buy enough legislators to prevent any real change in this market. Having been poor – so long ago that my credit rating has recovered, but not so long ago that I have forgotten what it’s like – I have a deep loathing for a lot of predatory businesses and think that if legit, mainstream banks and finance corps are heavily regulated, these bottom feeders should probably have at least some regulation. Everybody should probably spend a couple years of their life dirt poor – at least having to work through school they can’t afford, or just plain having to work a shit job and live in a shithole apartment with a bunch of other knuckleheads. Going from that to relative prosperity – shit, actual prosperity – gives one an appreciation for University of Chicago-style lightly regulated markets and a dislike of capitalist actors that distort the markets.
Capitalists: Doing What They Can to Discredit Capitalism Since 1792.
I spend several months every year being dirt poor so the other months are more better. This way I can have nice things. That’s the theory anyway.
Cowboy: I am a liberal – and quite unapologetic about it. However, sometimes I agree with things posted on this site and I say so. I guess those are the times that I am “intelligent”. I also realize that when I disagree, I am dismissed as being stupid (or some other Lisa). I can handle it. I am not that sensitive, though sometimes I do get my baby feelings hurt.
I think it’s more a matter of tone, Lisa. When you disagree, you seem much more… I dunno, dismissive? Unwilling to even consider the alternative? Dogmatic?
I really wish you’d stop trying to defend Wright; he’s indefensible. Imagine if we were to say things like, “Oh, Senator so-and-so’s apologized for his membership in the Klan, and that comment about rather seeing the nation defeated than an integrated military? Oh, that was nothing.”
Well I totally don’t mean to be dismissive or dogmatic. I will watch for that. I find that annoying in other people so I don’t want to come off that way myself.
And I can’t believe that you Yankees don’t understand why the south is STIll pissed about the civil war.
Who you calling a Yankee? You think I don’t know why the South is still pissed? My great-great-grandfather was a private in the GA 53rd. My grandfather was in the KKK in Alabama. I had to listen to my father go on about how the war wasn’t about slavery, the north was just trying to dominate the economy, the south only lost because it lacked manufacturing, one confederate could lick ten yankees, slave owners were really, really nice to their slaves, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! I’ve had it running out my ears, so you can save your breath. It is crap. They’re pissed because they got whupped and they’re too proud to admit that they were wrong, or that their daddy was wrong, or their granddaddy, etc. Well, I’m too proud to join with the lie.
The war was not about slavery, per se, it was about economics.
Right. The economics of “we won’t give up our help without a fight.”
My family didn’t arrive here until the 1880s.
The furthest I’ve been able to trace my family back was my ggg-grandfather who was born in NC, and was married in GA in 1837. There are people of the same last name living in VA and NC at that same time, but I can’t prove a connection so that’s as far back as I claim.
So just why do I owe professional victims reparations?
You don’t. No one does.
My ancestors undoubtedly owned slaves. That doesn’t make me responsible for slavery. They undoubtedly supported and helped perpetuate Jim Crow laws. That doesn’t make me responsible for Jim Crow. They were racists. I am not responsible for racism. I am only responsible for MY actions. Because I do take responsibility for my actions, I have learned to see the above things as evil and to condemn my ancestors for participating in them.
That’s why when Obama says that he can’t disown Jeremiah Wright I have to ask, why not? The United States ripped itself in half, set brother against brother, turned its creeks red with blood, and littered the ground with corpses in order to free the slaves. Obama can’t walk out of a church?
Again, when the Civil Rights movement demanded true freedom for blacks, the white population of the country disowned the unreconstructed southerner, morally condemned him, and called out the national guard to make him do the right thing. And Obama can’t walk out of a church?
I had to free my mind from the propaganda that was preached to me by my father throughout my childhood. I had to come to see him as both factually and morally wrong in the things that he said, and pass judgment on him for that. But Obama can’t walk out of a church.
If the country is going to be healed, both sides have to do the right thing. Both sides have to walk away from the racists who preach hate. We cannot cling to our race, we have to cling to principles of right and wrong.
Ardsgaine: Here here. What a lovely post. Though I am more sympathetic to why Barack is hedging (having a couple of cousins still living in the 70s and “fighting the power” – and though I disagree with their brand of crankery, I still love them). I think he probably would have done himself and his family a great service if he had gotten up and walked out of that church a long time ago (I have long told my African American compatriots that our propensity for religious crankery would be the thing that would bite us right on the ass).
I am glad you distinguish the professional victims from the majority of Americans who are black. Most black people are not looking for reparations. The idea of it is confusing and more than a little crackpottish…..(would there be a white tax? would Obama have to pay himself?).
I am not the exception. Most black people pay NO attention to black “leaders”. We are proud when we see someone like Obama running for president. But he is not our “leader” any more than he would be your leader if he were president. We are not led by the nose by Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or Julian Bond. I can still recognize that I am black, but not be part of some team of lemmings that hates white people, demands reparations, and rapes your white wimminfolk. The sooner that people realize THAT, the sooner we will heal.
I can still recognize that I am black, but not be part of some team of lemmings that hates white people, demands reparations, and rapes your white wimminfolk. The sooner that people realize THAT, the sooner we will heal.
See, now I don’t see how you can say stuff like that and agree with every word Nora Ephron said yesterday.
Lisa:
Sorry for the confusion. By the time my comment was up, your usual civility and open-mindedness was operational again.
I really appreciate your viewpoint.
Ards, #19–fantastic comment.
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