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Great photo. Is it a Photoshop, or was the Goracle actually stupid enough to get himself photographed in front of an empty grocery store shelf?
It is good for eco-tourism, as clearcutting the Amazonian rainforest for corn crops will keep those pesky mosquitoes under control.
What is your big complaint with Al Gore? He’s no direct threat to you; he is simply trying to point out a legimate concern. Who cares who caused it; it needs to be proactively addressed.
I think it’s legit, Swen. If Enoch were to P’shop Gore, it would probably be with him being fucked by a pig, or something. He’s subtle that way.
cynn–
You don’t really read the posts at this site, do you?
Note to Teacher’s: Students should be able to list the five reasons it is good to use corn for energy
Oooooh, two out of five…not good.
His proposed solutions only work if we caused it. If we didn’t, it’s a lot of wasted time and effort while solutions that might work get shouted down by the likes of … Al Gore.
Make them burn their own food: The true Liberal agenda.
Al Gore is sick in the head.
He didn’t get to be president and he lost his effing mind.
Students should be able to list two reasons why it is not good to use corn for energy: We need it to eat and to feed to our other food. It’s energy negative in that it takes more energy to produce it that it delivers as a fuel.
When we perfect turning agricultural waste into ethanol, I’ll be all in.
Mmmmm…truthy goodness. They’re just lucky that corn isn’t a beer ingredient. There would be hell to pay.
His proposed solutions only work if we caused it. If we didn’t, it’s a lot of wasted time and effort while solutions that might work get shouted down by the likes of … Al Gore.
It’s worse than wasted time and effort. Reducing CO2 emmissions by the percentage they envision will destroy our economy.
well, I prefer flour tortillas anyway.
“Note to Teacher’s:”
Eh… teachers’ handbooks should be typo free. Unless they’re using “consensus spelling” in addition to “consensus science.”
Big Corn just pisses me off.
cynn,
The variables under dispute are that global warming is a)real, b)growing, c)man-made, and d)a menace.
no question corn sucks in so many ways…read the Omnivore’s Dilema?
and mercury filled low wattage bulbs replacements for higher wattage incandescent…but I am still replacing them as it’s economic sense as the price came down on the more expensive bulbs.. but the long term consequences.
but conservation makes sense: more efficient vehicles, and better insulated homes.
And the Status Quo isn’t a solution either.
No need to be so touchy; agree or disagree: we need to reduce our energy consumption? You can still think Al Gore is a tool.
“Comment by cynn on 3/31 @ 7:18 pm #
What is your big complaint with Al Gore? He’s no direct threat to you; he is simply trying to point out a legimate concern. Who cares who caused it; it needs to be proactively addressed.”
Cynn, you are a naive fool.
Al Gore really doesn’t care about you.
“Comment by datadave on 3/31 @ 7:43 pm #
And the Status Quo isn’t a solution either.”
When was the lst time you saw “the Status Quo” in a capitalist economy?
Stasisism is a socialist ideal.
What we need is a plan to extinguish that big fucking ball of fire in the sky.
Is that what you think Gore is about? Reducing energy consumption? What is he saying that makes you think that?
This is not a rhetorical question, other than that by answering it you would open discussion of the very issue you’re having difficulty with us about.
Then you agree we have to change.
Which is why “climate change” gets them all in an uproar.
But…Huckholio!
We’ve had some strange not-so-choice selections this cycle, on both sides of the aisle. When this is all over, there’ll be few happy people. Many will long for the road not taken.
And plenty who won’t watch much Law and Order, anymore.
Hey, I heard they need some help up in Maine to clear the hundreds of inches of accumulated man-made global warming.
cynn is proof that P.T. Barnum was right!
You guys must not have kids; parents tend to look toward the future.
cynn, that’s a stupid ploy, even for you.
Stasism is an asinine concept. The climate will change. The question is, how well equipped are we?
Change what? So far what I’ve heard from the people worried about “climate change” are the same “changes” they wanted when they thought we were headed for an Ice Age, when they thought we were going to run out of food, and when ever anything happens. They call for more restrictions on what we can do, more control over our lives, more “sacrifice” that, oddly, leaves them exempt from any sacrifice.
How many homes does Al Gore own? How much power does it take to run them? How much carbon does he spew into the air jetting around to tell us all to live more simple lives?
As Glenn Reynolds says, I’ll believe it’s a problem when its advocates start acting like it’s a problem.
I’ve got a big heavy coat, and I’ve got shorts galore. I’ve got heat and I’ve got air conditioning. I think I’m good. We New Englanders are quite used to this shit.
Are you guys really that complacent? I don’t mean living life in a nebulous state of anxiety. I mean accepting what happebs.
Accept the things you cannot change, cynn. Have the courage to change the things you can. Have the wisdom to know the difference.
Pretty damned well, from the looks of it. The climate changes from the late 1700s until now were larger than they’re predicting for the next century or so.
Personally, I’m amazed anyone buys into the claims — things like “if temperatures rise 3 degrees, the arctic will melt!” You know how cold the arctic is? Do you think 3 measly degrees will be enough to push it past 0 C?
I’ve:
* Installed a new, high-efficiency furnace
* Installed new, double-paned windows with low-e glass
* Swapped virtually all of my non-dimmable incandescents for CFLs
* Installed a new, high-SEER air conditioner
* Installed a programmable thermostat…and actually programmed it
* Re-sealed my exterior doors
But I’m still the enemy because I did it for one reason only: Greed.
[…] *snort* […]
What should we be doing?
I’m more worried about the impulse to “do something!!!” than I am about the environment.
Since you did not answer my question, I deny you the right to construe what I said as an answer to yours.
yep, and these quacks could probably get more people to go along if they tried that appeal. but no, it’s all “morals” and “think of the children!”
Well, I guess it is a low-level emergency with me. Akin, but not precisely like Kunstler’s long emergency. Panic is not an option, because we have no alternative. Al Gore means well, but he’s grandstanding. Maggie, hope you have a good liferaft. I blew Y2K off as the bloviated huffings of sub-standard techies.
I will maintain optimism, but on a very short leash.
Personally I hope the whole global warming thing is true…I hate being cold.
The Glaciers have been melting since the last ice age.
As Humans have ascended the Darwin ladder.
I remain unconvinced that a degree or two rise in global temperature over the next 50 years is anything other than beneficial to humanity.
Even if I did believe that the weather guys, who can’t get Fridays temperature prediction within five degrees, could accurately predict the weather 50 years from now.
Cynn, there’s plenty of time for change. If you quit looking only at your (our) own pitiably short life cycles, and try to see a more bigger picture, you’ll realize that cycles happen.
When the last major warming cycle took place (70 degree oceans in the artic) it took the earth 200,000 years to settle down. Back to more normal, periodic ice ages.
Just hang on, there will be change. If you want to do something, fine, just don’t help Al Gore wreck the best economy on the planet because he wants to enrich his own pocketses.
“Comment by cynn on 3/31 @ 7:55 pm #
Stasism is an asinine concept. The climate will change. The question is, how well equipped are we?”
Ida know.
Three million years of evolution. Hundreds of thousands of years of drought. Ice ages. Big ice ages. Mini ice ages. Drought. Hurricanes. Earthquakes. Tornadoes. Al Gore.
And, yet, we’re still here.
The human animal is tougher that the modern liberal can conceive of.
Oh, I forgot.
“Stasism is an asinine concept.”
Then why is it the basis of all reactionary leftist “thought”?
And how did that turn out?
yeah, tell it to the dinosaurs.
(RTO’s watchin’ Walking with Dinosaurs I guess some little boys never really grow up.)
And yet there’s that Big Bang Theory you dunces have yet to ratify. Go and figure.
“The question is, how well equipped are we?”
Compared to homo erectus, pretty well. Same for the Neanderthals – they just didn’t handle change very well at all. Probably not as good as the cockroach and certainly not as good as cyanobacteria. I don’t really have any desire to swap ability to endure with algae though. Seems like a bit too big a trade off.
Did you know that humans actually live at the equator, where it gets like really hot for long periods? Not just that, they even live up in the arctic circle where it’s been known to get rather cold.
It’s almost as if humans were sort of capable of adaptation.
Comment by cynn on 3/31 @ 8:17 pm #
What, the same way you “ratify” global warming?
“Comment by Rick Ballard on 3/31 @ 8:18 pm #
“The question is, how well equipped are we?â€Â
It’s almost as if humans were sort of capable of adaptation.”
Holy fuck!
Who knew?
Well, actually, I did.
Looks like that whole Ethanol from Corn thing isn’t exactly working out how the libs planned. Seems that without the direct subsidies, and the high price of corn, its a bit of a cockup.
Try this Google for fun:
“shutting down ethanol plants”
Here’s a few titles which emerge:
From March, 2008 Ethanol Producer Magazine:
Managing Through Tough Times in Ethanol Production
By Todd Taylor and Ryan Murphy
It’s no secret: high corn and energy prices coupled with low ethanol prices are squeezing ethanol plant’s margins and making it hard to not only make a profit and pay div…
Or, from the Grand Forks Herald, Oct. 2007:
GRAFTON, N.D. – The Alchem ethanol plant here is closing, at least temporarily.
The plant, which has 40 employees and has operated for 25 years; will suspend operations indefinitely.
Harold Newman, president of Alchem, said in a prepared statement that the high cost of corn and the low sales price of ethanol are the reasons for the shutdown. Newman added that he anticipates a turnaround in the ethanol industry
The one thing ethanol is really good at generating is a subsidy.
Yes, Malthusian fears of the Four Horseman of the apocalypse do it for me too. Off to microwave some popcorn and re-watch Soylent Green.
Well, that’s ginchy, ’cause you’ll need it.
thor: All is for the best in this best of all possible worlds
good luck with your climate change, bey0tz.
If Britain still counts as a capitalist economy, just a moment ago!
cynn
Al Gore means well
When you realize that No he does not you’ll be half way to understanding what is going on.
Sorry, Darleen, but I actually think he means well. As in he really cares about the environment. He’s not just some old fat guy on 60 Minutes; I know how yoy wingers hate that.
errr, cynn, actions speak louder than words.
Liferaft? I’m pretty sure I can walk faster than the centimeters per year the shorelines are changing.
Cynn – Sincere question: If Algore loves the environment so much, why does he consume energy at X10 what the average American does?
cynn
if he truly believe in the environment why does he himself not live the lifestyle? I have a great deal of respect for people who actually walk the walk.
And why isn’t Gore in the forefront of trying to push nuclear energy?
No, cynn. Gore isn’t about the environment at all. It is a means to an end. And it concerns his being thwarted at getting power through the Presidency.
I mean, he’s an old fat guy that owns more houses than I do, jets around the world for lectures and uses more electricity in a month than I’ll use all year. he seems very concerned about the environment.
Both the corn and the sugar lobbies suck. Together, their suckitude multiplies, instead of merely adding.
We could be planting sugar beets–a MUCH simpler crop to grow–for ethanol. Most of the beet becomes fuel, sugar to ethanol. That’s unlike corn, which grows this big honking stalk and leaves and a cob–all waste–to produce kernels of mostly starch. Which has to be converted to sugar before being converted to ethanol. So, simple decision, right? Grow beets for fuel!
But NOOOOOOOO. The sugar lobby won’t have it. They restrict sugar production so that sugar is way more expensive here than elsewhere on the planet. So much for NAFTA, etc. And the corn lobby won’t have it, because they would rather keep growing their fertilizer-intense, energy-sucking touchy crop than do the at-least-semi-market-based thing and just freakin’ switch to something that actually can be used as fuel. So we end up with “high-fructose corn syrup” instead of real sugar in everything, we make ethanol by a method that would do Rube Goldberg proud, and we waste energy doing it.
Genius.
Al Gore is an unforutate fraud becasue he is a demonstrable liar. As is Hillary Clinton. As is Obama Huseien Obaba. That’s what we’re down to.
Al Gore is an unforutate fraud becasue he is a demonstrable liar. As is Hillary Clinton. As is Obama Huseien Obaba. That’s what we’re down to.
Cynn – For the Left, that sums it up pretty nicely.
@ #67-
Oh what tangled webs are weaved,
When government presumes to intercede.
except for the paranoia thing.
– Well we’ve fed Eastern beef forever on sugar beets. But the West is super heavy invested in corn. That won;t change anytime soon, both because of price to weight to growth rate levels, and the fact that corn is usable in so many more product in variations over just the sugar aspect. BTW, thats why I dislike the bitterish aftertaste of Western beef.
– Maybe we could just skip the nuclear conversion process and irradiate sugar beets to morph them into giant house sized plants……then we could harvest them…. use some for food processing, and the rest we could dehydrate and chop into kindling, go back to fire feed stoves, house heating, and stanley steamers.
– Gores jet would just have to suck it up and retire.
We don’t get energy from corn, sugar beets, or any other plant source. That energy comes from the sun, the plants just store it. When you look at a field of corn, imagine it as a field of solar collectors charging little batteries over the summer for us to use during the year and it will give you a more realistic picture of how much power we can expect optimistically.
There is a finite, calculable amount of energy in any source, a gallon of water falling one foot has a fixed amount of energy, as does a square foot of sunlight, a five mile per hour wind, etc. No amount of technology or magic can excede that, and until AlGore and his disciples start addressing this fact I will continue to consider them charlatans and the modern equivalent of alchemists trying to turn lead into gold. 500 years ago we would have burned the son of a bitch at the stake.
I am sick to death of “for the environment” messages. Seriously. I feel like the target of a huge propaganda campaign attempting mind control. I feel resentful at the manipulation, but by the numbers taken in, it’s an effective one.
10X more annoying than the “for the children” manipulation of the ’90’s.
Ditto. They’re just like the “for the children” pleas, minus the actual, like, compassion for fellow human beings.
I think lee points out a lot the very real backlash Al’s $300M campaign could engender. Let’s hope.
Exactly.
No need to be so touchy; agree or disagree: we need to reduce our energy consumption?
Disagree. Strongly.
You guys must not have kids; parents tend to look toward the future.
High energy consumption is what stands between us and human slavery.
That’s some “future” you envision for your kids, cynn. Maybe you imagine them in the master role. I wouldn’t count on it, though.
I dunno, I mentioned to RTO earlier that I’d noticed yesterday’s Wal-Mart ad in the paper was all for earth friendly “green” stuff. it’s ovah.
Al Gore is an unforutate fraud becasue he is a demonstrable liar.
You forgot “greed” and “hypocrisy”, but yeah, that’s about the size of it.
Gore is playing the same scam as Michael Moore, on a slightly more refined level. Both of them are in the business of conning stupid hippies out of their barista tips.
It’s a lucrative trade, but it’s hard to imagine how you could stand to look at yourself in the mirror. At least pimps provide real services to their clients.
They’re just like the “for the children†pleas, minus the actual, like, compassion for fellow human beings.
“For the environment” is like the opposite; condemning fellow humans. Thus elevating their superior conscientiousness.
– Actually Moe, back in the 50’s scientists, using the Large atom collider available for that time, managed to change a few atoms of aluminum into gold. Unfortunately the conversion cost worked out to something like 35 million dollars per troy ounce. A lot of things have become possible in the last 75 years that remain wild;y impractical.
– While your example of energy effectiveness is correct as far as it goes, in point of fact energy from the sun can be gathered efficiently enough, very efficiently in fact in many high sun period areas. Thats not really the problem.
– The problems remain are long term efficient storage, (batteries are still lousy at efficient cost effective storage for large scale use, even with all the advances that have been made in the technology), and wide spread efficient distribution is a somewhat wasteful process due to radiation leakage and conductive loss(heating). But storage is still the worst buggaboo.
– Sun gathering platforms in desert locals easily get up into the 90’s in terms of efficiancy of energy gathering, not including non sun peak hours. Nuclear is the most effective at combining the two requirements. But neither would be as good in both generation and storage efficiency, if it worked according to projections, as cold fusion, which is why its been investigated so extensively.
– Probably in the short run one of the current theoretical “hybrid” approaches that seek to change certain seed metals into low yield nuclear isotopes for storage, and thence into energy through heat transfer, will eventually fill the bill.
– In this way, Sun-to-isotope(storage)-to heat-to-electricity, may turn out to be the best solution for the foreseeable future. In addition, low half life nuclear products would significantly reduce problematical waste products. “Are we there yet”. No, but closer every day. Plants are for eating. As you say, both low energy conversion efficiency, and low storage per area efficiency. Actually the worst of both worlds, so Gore is blowing Global warming out his fat ass. As feets might say….”Plants is a lot for Human energy I think.”
Do any of youse wise-folk know where I could look to find exactly how many starving (typical)brown children could be fed by the amount of corn required to make the 2gallons of ethanol making up 10 percent(maybe) of the gas in the tank of my car that gets 24 miles to the gallon?
I drive about 2600 miles every month. Thats a shitload of corn.
How many bushels make a gallon of ethanol?
The corn pone crowd says they can get 2.7 gallons of Ethanol from a bushel of corn. Thing is, their bushel of corn is not ears, its reglar’ole grain. Thats just over 100 quart Mason jars of kernel. Thats 25 gallons of kernel according to my first grade math.
2 quarts of meal has me in corn bread for most of a year.
Thats a shitload of food.
– Current convertion efficiencies, including all factors in cluding the entire growth/fertilizer/harvesting/plant reduction ect., is approximately 2.7 gallons per bushel. the total costs per gallon would have to be increased by all the distribution and handling/storage/loss/profit costs as well.
– Lets add that, say 25%, therby reducing the field to tank gallons per bushel to 2.7-0.675=2.025 gallon/bushel.
– So approximately 2 gallons per bushel.
– Therefore you average driving distance of 2600 miles/month at an average mpg of 24 = 108.3 gallons of fuel/month or about 216 bushels of corn.
– Yeh….that would feed a lot of kids, regardless of their skin color. think about it more in terms of the total miles driven by all the autos in the US per month, and you start to get the idea of just how criminal GoreDorks scam really is.
How many bushels make a gallon of ethanol?
2.5 gallons per bushel, with current technology.
A bushel of corn weighs 56 pounds (about 25 kilograms).
Cornmeal has about 3.6 calories per gram, so that bushel has about 90,000 usable calories, or about 36,000 calories per gallon-equivalent.
Assuming a diet of 3,000 calories per day, every gallon of ethanol you burn could feed a brown kid for 12 days.
But hey, it’s “for the environment!”.
– Sorry….make that 54 bushels, not 108. but its really huge anyway.
– I’ll cut through all the math. In 2006 Americans used 3700 gallons of gasoline per second. At roughly 1 gallon of gas per 2 gallons of oil, which means we were using 7400 gallons of oil, or approximately 176 barrels per second. Multiply those figures for just a day, and you begin to get the real magnitude of the “energy”rproblem we have.
– Clue- thats over 320 million gallons of gas a day.
How about switch grass? Same problem as with corn?
And . . . yes. There is something vaguely icky about using food for fuel. National Geo had a cover story about biofuels recently; it looks like nothing’s really ready quite yet.
One thing that occurs to me is that we might find alternate sources faster if we divided the country into regions, because the challenges in seasonal climates (for storage, e.g.) seem different than in others.
Because we don’t really know where the breakthrough is going to be, I kind of like the idea of flex-fuel vehicles than can use different energy sources.
– Current estimates for switch grass yields are approximately 320 gallons of ethanol per acre per year.
– With a million acres we could theoretically “grow” in one year about the amount we needed per day back in 2006. I don’t know the current figures for millions of fertile acres in the US, assuming just stopping all food production altogether would even net enough acerage, but just off hand the numbers do not look promissing.
– Here is a link to the current agra-think for the future, at least from some quarters.
– How extensive or accurate these predictions may prove to be will only unfold with time. An interesting and thought provoking read. regardless of your politics.
– One set of answer/questions at the very end caught My eye:
ACRES U.S.A. You mentioned in the name of your organization the word “carbon,†presumably you’re talking about carbon dioxide?
HEINBERG. Yes.
ACRES U.S.A. And carbon dioxide, of course, is a global warming gas that’s running amok. You know we have taken agriculture to high nitrogen use, not only in the United States, but worldwide, and this nitrogen is mostly wasted because it goes off into the air  especially anhydrous, less so with natural nitrogens  where it locks into the oxygen and becomes one form or another of nitrous oxide. Nitrous oxide, in turn, is 183 to 212 times more polluting in terms of global warming than carbon dioxide. Yet we find that Al Gore doesn’t even mention it in his film, An Inconvenient Truth.
HEINBERG. That’s right  thank you for pointing that out! That’s yet another reason why we have to reform our entire food system, and very quickly.
– Wonderful, Nitrous oxide, due to its ability to displace normal oxygen in the brain, can induce light headedness. giddyness, and is generically known as “laughing gas”, a favorite of Dentists in a bygone age.
– So from this we can expect to slowly starve to death, but the good news is we may all die laughing,
This is exactly right. Most of the people who are constantly bloviating about Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever they’re calling it depending on how hot or cold or rainy or windy it is this week, are a bunch of rich, sanctimonious assholes who don’t seem to see any contradictions or problems with their lifestyles, consisting of flying around the world in their private jets between conferences about the issue and their many multi-million dollar residences.
I do most of my work from home, and when I have to drive, I drive my Honda Accord between places, which, in California, has to pass one of the most rigorous smog tests in the country every two years. I may not turn off the lights or the teevee every time I leave a room, but I haven’t even flown anywhere on fucking coach since 2001. And these assholes like Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio presume to lecture me on energy use? Fuck that. I don’t need to hear that kind of bullshit from a bunch of hypocrites.
I guess that even though all animals are equal, some of the animals are truly more equal than others. Because they care.
$300 mil? Jeeze, Al.
I’da told ya to blow me for a lot less, ya putz.
– Incidentally, as a scientist, admitedly “old school”, the reason I’ve been steadily skeptical of the entire climate chande screed, aside from the usual tendency for all cultist based religious/political gaggles to inflate minimal evidence of anything and everything they stumble across as a potential “hair-on-fire” moment, is the real world evidence which has continued on a conflicting course for as long as viable data has been gathered, which isn’t really all that long in geological terms. using a relatively recent time reference of 30,000 years, approximately the mid ICE age, we’ve been at it for on;y a few hundred years if that, and the quality and accuracy that we now enjoy principally since the 10’s and 20’s. But realistically the accuracy is fine enough for reliable bench marks across the biard in the disciplines only since WWII.
– To give you an idea of where we’re really at, its as if you were given a pencil and paper, and asked to drop down to youe local waterfall on a random basis every now and then, with anything between days and decades between visits, and draw what you saw. Then with few weeks to go you’d suddenly be handed a point and shoot camera, and told to take snap shots every five minutes.
– Finally, ob decision day, you’d be asked to examine all the drawings and photos and predict the next drought and flood for the river. Because conditions can, and generally do, vary widely over long time spans, while tending to stable conditions over short spans of time, your data simply will not be rich enough in detail so you would be forced to say “I don’t know”.
– This is the situation we find ourselves in today. But if some politically motivated hack wants to propose something like the “hockey stick” scam, the problem arises that its difficult to dispute him with certainty, because your data is no more reliable than his is. The Lefts old trick of trying to manipulate the opposition into proving a negative.
– But even worse a week doesn’t go by when some new recent body of data pops up that reverses the whole picture. A case in point is last weeks revelation that the ocean bottoms have, in fact cooled, not warmed, a fine kettle of fish for the chicken-little GW alarmists. Lower deep ocean temperatures means a higher gradient between the upper and lower layers, which in turm means faster stream speeds, the Atlantic elevator, with resulting moderation of temperatures, as well as smaller temperature swings.
– Does not compute in Gores world.
I blew Y2K off as the bloviated huffings of sub-standard techies.
I still like james howard kuntsler’s writing even if he’s wrong lots of times just like PW. Otherwise, gg on riling up the wingnuts, cynn. Oil speculators and corn producers are hardly “libs”, but they couldn’t help jack up the prices could they.
the dumbest thing said so far:
“High energy consumption is what stands between us and human slavery.”
….oh yeah, get out your old computer with the big cathode tube* screen and let that fill up your room and drive a old pink cadillac….or Hummer. Or be an Independent Trucker!
doing more with less is always the mantra…or else stop those “slaves” from breeding.
then that dumbness gets topped by this?
“bunch of rich, sanctimonious assholes who don’t seem to see any contradictions or problems with their lifestyles, consisting of flying around the world in their private jets between conferences about the issue and their many multi-million dollar residences.”…..
yeah, really? typing on my 5 y.o. computer in a rented basement.
*btw I do have one of Sony’s greatest and fastest CR monitors if you’re interested in gaming, special effects or excellent color rendition…not used for 4 and half years. out for bids?
We could be planting sugar beets–a MUCH simpler crop to grow
except for the paranoia thing. ?
they do look like little shrunken zombie heads coming out of the ground.
maggie?
bbh, good research, but your conclusions?
– Interesting non-response dd.
– Do you think maybe sometime in the next two years you could simply force yourself to focus on the thread topic, or is throwing blunt objects at imaginary NeoCons the limit of your one trick pony act?
have to add this one:
“500 years ago we would have burned the son of a bitch at the stake.”….
bmoan, nice to know which side you’re on. I’ll warn Galileo and Copernicus that you’re collecting fags for their wiener’s roasting.
bbh, thread jacking isn’t my occupation….unless I get paid. But you brought up the Eastern Beet-fed Beef and that’s making me hungry.
– Ok. I stand corrected. Spoke before I saw you next comment,
– I’m basically a skeptic. A nervous skeptic for vaeious reasons, but still a skeptic. I do not need perfect data to draw conclusions, thats for human water fountains, not practicing scientists, but I do want SOME decent wide time based data.
– At some point I’ll feel comfortable with applying Chaos math, the laymens term for it, to the picture, and then we might be able to see the Mona Lisa smile.
DataDaveDude, cathoid gamma rays cause your balls to shrink and your penis to go limp in mid-porn playback. Sort’a defeats the purpose of the internet, don’t’ya think? Besides, my flat panel leaves room on my desk for the other two basic internet tools, namely, a coffee maker and a ashtray. You can keep that your 100-pound cathoid whale and your basement full of ball-shrinking death rays. I got a life and a quad core.
You guys must not have kids; parents tend to look toward the future.
This is a classic “cynn-a-cism” in its depth and breadth of inanity.
Your future for parents is “Hey Jimmy, that cereal costs $3 a flake, so you will eat every goddamned one of them or I will bust your head. Now what are you crying about Lucy? You will eat your nettle soup and like it. Now let us pray.
Come lord Algore, be our guest. And let thy myths fuel your success, Amen. “
And another strawman heard from!
(BTW — you don’t “ratify” scientific theories. I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say with that, and can only figure you’re saying we’re so ignorant we don’t accept the current theory of the initial moments of everything. What a pity you’re flat-out wrong, but that’s what happens when you get to arguing with stereotypes instead of people.)
#19
Instaed of sacrificng, lets increase throughput. build a couple of new refineries and maybe a coal conversion plant or two. We gots lotsa coal and the beauty part is you can mine it while growing stuff on the ground above. And lets not fergit nuke plants we needs more of em. And jobs! All this stuff creates jobs. It’s a win, win.
thx. thor for you concern… I’ve got the best LCD of it’s time that even let’s me draw on it tablet style but that’s 5 years old. But the old Cathode tubes actually emit rays even after they’re turned off for years after. Glowing in the other room. It’s great for gaming…but porn’s cheaper in time allotted. I’ve confessed to my g/f. She’s not worried. Varonika, the Russian biker chick at Milf-hunter is getting a little worn out.
i have an IBM pc-1 or 2 too that still works…want it for the museum?
higher pollution and utility rates aren’t a ‘win-win’ are they…rust’o lium?
Leave cynn alone!
bmoan, nice to know which side you’re on. I’ll warn Galileo and Copernicus that you’re collecting fags for their wiener’s roasting.
As usual, my joke whistles right through dave’s ears. Oh, well, it wasn’t a very good one, anyway.
I am curious about this though, the sun heating the planet creates wind, and most of our weather. If we cover a significant amount of our surface with highly efficient solar collectors, which are absorbing that heat and converting it directly to electric, then put up hundreds of square miles of windmills to collect much of the wind left over, how is that going to effect weather patterns in North America? Got any data on that, dave?
I keep a big old CRT in my bedroom closet in case I ever need it as a back-up if my flat screen fails me. The thing is probably emitting boner-kill rays into the heart of my love shack. I’ll aluminum foil the soldier and report back any performance improvements.
“500 years ago we would have burned the son of a bitch at the stake.â€Â
Sorta like a Kuwati oil field fire, is it not?
Sorta like a Kuwati oil field fire, is it not?
Don’t know about that, but he is definitely heavier than a duck.
Let us summarize.
1) The Earth is growing somewhat warmer.
2) The consequences of warming will be unrelievedly catastrophic.
3) The only possible explanation for warming is human activity.
4) The only possible remedy is restriction of human activity.
5) The degree of reduction of human activity should be as large as possible.
6) The only method for accomplishing (4) and (5) is massive coercion.
7) The people advocating (1) through (5) should be put in charge of (6).
8) This is unitary and monolithic; disagreeing with any point means wishing for disaster.
That about get it, dataless?
Regards,
Ric
Reading DD’s piffle always reminds me of the kid in Dazed & Confused yammering about how George and Martha Washington were totally flying all the time, man. It’s beyond non-responsive, its actually apropos of nothing.
“….oh yeah, get out your old computer with the big cathode tube* screen and let that fill up your room and drive a old pink cadillac….or Hummer. Or be an Independent Trucker!
doing more with less is always the mantra…or else stop those “slaves†from breeding.”
If I could imagine a world where this made one damn lick of sense, I could be the new Asimov. As it stands, I’ve merely given Double-D a clear opening to call me a purer fantasist for believing the Dread Oil Companies, but he won’t take it, because such wit is far too linear.
As for cynn, any chance that stands for Carry Your Nation, Now!
the dumbest thing said so far:
“High energy consumption is what stands between us and human slavery.â€Â
Translation: you’re an idiot.
1) Each of us is using about 10 kW of power.
2) A human being can put out about 100-200 watts of power at full tilt (depending on physical condition).
3) Ergo, every one of us has the equivalent of 50-100 slaves working for us.
Look at the countries that use lots of artificial energy (US, Western Europe, Canada, Japan) and compare them to the countries that use much less (both Congos, Afghanistan, Cambodia). You will find a STRONG correlation between energy consumption, economic well-being, and personal liberty. The correlation is not perfect, due to the differences between countries (Canada uses relatively more because it is a large, cold country, Japan uses relatively less, because it is a warmer and much more compact country), but it’s definitely one of the best predictors we have.
Do you REALLY think slavery (or the equivalent — serfdom, debt bondage, call it what you will) wouldn’t return if we stopped using artificial energy to any significant degree?
Hint: human nature hasn’t changed. If you force us to use those hippie-powered bicycle generators and grain mills, there are those who will want to own a hippie or two to keep them turning.
or, on odd numbered days, Let us summarize.
1) The Earth is growing somewhat cooler.
2) The consequences of cooling will be unrelievedly catastrophic.
3) The only possible explanation for cooling is human activity.
4) The only possible remedy is restriction of human activity.
5) The degree of reduction of human activity should be as large as possible.
6) The only method for accomplishing (4) and (5) is massive coercion.
7) The people advocating (1) through (5) should be put in charge of (6).
8) This is unitary and monolithic; disagreeing with any point means wishing for disaster.
There you go dd, Now you can square the compass. Take no prisoners!
well, the long and short of it is this: if you believe politicians have a fucking clue about the unintended consequences of their policies (no matter how well-meaning they might be) you may be retarded. they make laws in a vacuum for preservation of self. Even when they say it’s for preserving mankind. They are friggin lawyers! Not scientists… not economists…
dataless dave: Congrats on your recent naming as Segundo Goron, Carbon 3rd Level. May you drink long and hard from the Goracle’s flask of flummox.
AGW proponents are so focused on TEH CATASTROPHE OF THE CHILDRENSES’ that their blinkers extend to arm length. global food prices are rising due in no small part to the rush to use food as fuel, as morally reprehensible a concept as can be imagined. Couple that with Third world countries refused industrialization, guaranteeing them Third World and Third Class status for the forseeable future and the massive forced redistribution of income from “wealthy” western countries to the Goracle’s minions and their often dubious energy schemes and we are left with the Spectre of Unintended Consequences cackling with glee. But, hey! those same people are on the cusp of the mosquito net vanguard to defend teh poor Africans from the ever increasing ravages of Malaria while forgetting that prior widespread use of DDT in the sixties and early seventies had incidents of the disease down to a world wide total of about 50,000 cases. BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF TEH PAPER THIN BIRD’S EGGS.
Really, I don’t see any problem extending our necks and submitting ourselves to the self appointed climate tsars, wielding the holy scripture fifty and hundred year computer climate projections from PhD’s who can’t tell you with any certaintly what the skies will bring to Boise next week or whether their dats isn’t either corrupted, deliberately skewed or just plain wrong.
Nope, no problem at all! WE MUST ACT NOW BEFORE TEH CLIMATE ACTS FOR US!!
Yea, feets, ya gotta wonder if, after the press conference, those guys aren’t all in a room laughing and rubbing their hands like Scrooge McDuck in anticipation of the easy money coming their way. All they have to do to get it is parrot the very people instituting the redistribution.
What a world!
sorry, I missed the joke B moe. Maybe Gore shoulda been President instead of Messiah.
and my computer was off due to a power outage and doing things…and I will work today. Promise!
they call me idiot all the time, Andrew…but you’re just
dumblinear!!. They’re just w/o arguments. more “Piffle”! although “carry… nation” leaves an image, but was she wrong either? Seems like conservatives are usually on the losing side ofhistoryprogress.but s b and p is funny this time but ‘perverse’: Hint: human nature hasn’t changed. If you force us to use those hippie-powered bicycle generators and grain mills, there are those who will want to own a hippie or two to keep them turning.
But we’re too damn Lazy, us Hippies, I am told!!!
s b and p. eh? It’s a myth, that of the Engineers of the 1950s that more energy consumption means more civilization. Like how simplistic? Some book from a dorky engineer trained in the 50s said that in a book back in ’76. I read it then and now you’re repeating it. By that analogy, a driver of a Hummer is more civilized than a driver of a Prius. You might agree but is that scientific? Or as thor and I joke about energy hog CRTs some energy use could be wasteful perhaps? You’re comparing a hot Parisian babe with a fat ass hag from Tuscaloosa. Not that I know anyone from Tuscaloosa, but I’d bet she’s more fat than the average female of Paris. You know how the Euros describe us after they visit us. We’re using too much energy in calories.
‘Course in Africa being a calorie hog is status as calories are in demand while in USA too many calories are killing us. So I took Umbrage to the idea that just using more energy per person means that we are further civilized from the uncivilized custom of slavery. Up to a point energy use does matter but over use of energy…like its use in a thermonuclear war can be self-defeating. Ultimately.
(Andrew, just to help you….with a little touch of jokiness…[who me????]……calories are measures of heat i.e. ‘Energy’ (mini sized versions compared to BTUs…)
Big Bang
1/ wrong…rapidly shrinking glaciers prove that heat’s a growing
2/— all other premises negated by # one.
that wasn’t too hard was it, I might get some work done today.
1/ wrong…rapidly shrinking glaciers prove that heat’s a growing
2/ all other premises negated by # one.
When in doubt, default to the questionable premises that began the debate. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. I fucking cannot stand circular arguments like this.
Except of course that not all glaciers are shrinking. If the skrinking ones mean heat’s a-growing, what do the growing glaciers (by which I mean Ant-fucking-arctica) mean?
It’s a myth, that of the Engineers of the 1950s that more energy consumption means more civilization.
Yeah, it’s a complete myth that Chicago is a more pleasant place to live than Mogadishu.
That’s why so many people are moving from Illinois to Somalia and why Cambodia has a huge problem with illegal immigrants from Japan, dontcha know?
So I took Umbrage to the idea that just using more energy per person means that we are further civilized from the uncivilized custom of slavery.
Take all the umbrage you want. Won’t change the facts on the ground. Your hippie ecotopia correlates to a nasty, brutal, and short life.
Hey, don’t lecture us — go talk to the Algore.
That doesn’t make it wrong. That there is energy wasted doesn’t disprove that energy usage correlates with liberty.
Rapidly shrinking glaciers prove that glaciers wax and wanw as they have for centuries, dataless. Hint; Why did Eric the Red name that land mass Greenland? Shrinking glaciers only account for about 5% of the land based ice that would contribute to the (heretofor unseen) rise in sea levels. Of much greater concern is Antarctica which containes something like 85% of the world’s land based ice and which, despite the recent state sized collapse of an ice shelf, is doing quite nicely, thank you, as confirmed by scientific concerns about the Ozone hole over the South Pole widening due to excessive cold.
But that’s OK, Segundo Goron Carbon Third Level, you keep intoning the Goracle’s prayers of global catastrophe and isolated anecdotal evidence and you’ll make Primero Goron, Cabon Resplendant in no time!
So I took Umbrage to the idea that just using more energy per person means that we are further civilized from the uncivilized custom of slavery.
If I had known you were going to take Umbrage, maybe I would have paid closer attention to your incoherent ramblings. Had you taken UMBRAGE, maybe I would have taken you seriously.
Here’s a question for you, dave:
Why is slavery/serfdom/peonage almost non-existent in the developed world, while being nearly universal in preindustrial societies (and still quite common in the Third World even today)?
There are a couple of explanations:
1) We’re way more moral than those backward brown people (seems unlikely to me).
2) It’s not economic to keep slaves when you can just flip a switch and have electricity do the job.
Got a third?
Carbon Resplendant. I shall beat myself with a Webster’s now!
NPR ran a story in their enviro segment about some guy studying the penguins somewhere. It was the the prototype for emotioned bathed, isolated AGW anecdotal fear mongering. The Glacier was melting “more rapidly than I could remember” and the poor wittle penguins tried desperately to build up their nests with rocks and ice chunks … sniff … but, but some of them … choke … some of them failed and lost their eggs to the rush of melting water … WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Jeez, Louise, it took me over an hour to clean the vomit out of my car.
The closing line was a pure classic, which I paraphrase: “I get so angry thinking about people all over the world living their lives ignorant of the struggles of these penguins due to climate change.”
Boo Freakin’ Hoo.
I am prepared for guinsPen and happyfeet to rise in righteous indignation and declare:
FLIGHTLESS BIRDIST!
JD TWP:
You owe dataless an Umbrage Offset. Go stub your toe on a big rock and hop around screaming obscenities.
I left a dish of umbrage right here. All right, which one of you miscreants TOOK MY UMBRAGE!!???
JD TWP did. I’d take Umbrage at him taking your Umbrage.
I’m just depressed because nobody gives umbrage anymore. It’s always take, take, take with you people.
BJ – I am cursing under my breath, just for you. Oppressor.
McGehee – I am the culprit. I am the collector of lost umbrage.
You better give me back my umbrage. It wasn’t lost, I just left it here while I was doing something else.
There was a tall, frosty unattended glass of offense sitting on the kitchen counter, see, and I didn’t want it to go to waste…
Got a third?
Dave’s not here, apparently.
Fine Ill give umbrage.
Enoch – Any news on the baby front?
Yes. wife is scheduled to be induced on the morn of 9th if baby doesnt come on his own beforehand. Kind of you to ask, JD – TW. I’ll be sure to let yall know when he comes.
Well-equipped enough, evidently, to waste a whole lot of time and energy listening to and acting on the advice of a former VP hawking a solution which almost no one who actually knows anything about the problem thinks will work. The same guy who overstated predicted sea-level rise by about an order of magnitude.
Yes, you’re that well equipped. Since you asked, and all.
The current answer is, I believe, that it could mean it’s now warm enough in Antarctica so that moisture-bearing clouds can make it far enough inland to actually result in precipitation. Antarctica is dry enough to be a desert, even with all of that water.
I think it’s probably not a good move to answer gotcha questions that don’t necessarily point to warming with other gotcha questions that don’t necessarily point to not-warming, unless you’re just making fun. In which case, have at it.
– Heres some good news to counter the doom sayers:
* The US has enough untapped oil reserves to last at least 100 years with a 0 to 10% import rate, and a slow but steady reduction in fuel consumption through simple efficiency improvements.
* Russian has 25 times the entire worlds oil reserves, yet untapped. A US/SRR economic coalition is immenently possible, and scares the crap out of China and India,
* 100 years is a virtual 5000 years in terms of technical advancement at the stage of scientific progress.
* Ultimately, hybrid Sun/low isotope nuclear will supply the vast majority of electrical needs, which e,iminates all but a small handfull of natural gas usage.
* Plain water, in conjunction with Catalytic Hydrogen high density storage and rapid conversion systems/materials. will become the major mover fuel, solving all seven issues of safety, pollution, storage, distribution, efficiency, cost, and essentially limitless supply.
* Fossil fuels will be gradually phased out entirely as synthetic cost effective hydro-carbon processes come on line using some of the systems aspects of the Catalytic hydrogen systems.
* Water vapor levels in the atmosphere will be carefully controlled world wide to insure we don’t drown or effect the climatology adversely.
* Now that wasn’t so hard was it, and Gore-Ape can still ride His bike.
* Moe. Present typical sun-tracking mirror systems, such as those in Bakersfeild, and New Zealand, with new systems going up every day, can generate on average about 175 Megawatts per 680 acres. Thats enough to power 120 thousand homes at peak power 24/7. Using the present storage systems delivers that power within a 500 mile radius at about 0.75 on the dollar over exsisting fossil fuel plants. so land area usage is not that great. With hybrid systems combining low level radiation isotope storage. that advantage could be multiplied another 10 fold, which would just continue to improve with the steady increase in fossil fuel cost. But even more importantly, a high efficiency storage system would make multiple distributed power stations, even in sun sparse areas, all connected in a country wide grid a full fledged reality.
– In terms of your original question though concerning energy available per area, the Hottel chart for Albuquerque NM gives and average daily irradiance of 783Wsec/Msqd, or mu;t. by 4043Msqd/acre, we get:
4043 x 783 Wsecs/acre = 3,165,699 Wsecs/acre.
– Multiply that by a modest 100 acres, and you get 316+ million Wsecs of available power, enough to power 275,000 homes at peak consumption rates. scale that up x10 or x100, with multiple farms interlincked in a grid, and you could easily power the majority of the US, and there are litterily millions of square acres available for such duty, much much more than you’d ever need. Obviously source, at least for the 8 to 12 hours of average daytime hours is not a problem.
– Conversion can be run in several ways with tracking mirrors that hit very high efficiency percentages, and actually would further flatten the Hottel curve even more.
– The problem always comes down to storage, because in the nonlight hours you have zero power source. Thus the need for hybrid systems. the addition of the types of storage being investigated woul increase that 100 acre model only modestly, typically requiring much less space than the mirror farm itself, since the hardware would not have to be planer like the mirrors, but would be built in three demensional volumes. I have left out a great many factors such as clear days per year, etc., but the irradiance levels of the Hottel chart are accurate at the earths surface in that location, and do account for all the factors from the suns surface to the measuring point, including atmospheric/weather effects. But its enough to draw some rough estimates from this much detail.
– The 100 acre desert. The Bedouin Pooh bear, and his sun drenched honey jar?
– I could have sworn I left a jar of offense around here somewhere. I doubt that old bear would take offense, but he has been known to steal a jar of Umbrage from time to time.
Throw another Boy Scout on the fire…
I appear to have made it mad, and almost coherent.
“they call me idiot all the time, Andrew…but you’re just dumb linear!!. They’re just w/o arguments. more “Piffleâ€Â! although “carry… nation†leaves an image, but was she wrong either? Seems like conservatives are usually on the losing side of history progress.”
I love regurgitated assertions without support. It seems to me that everyone here has arguments, davey boy. Some are better than others. Yours are expressed in Bongese. And Yes, by cracky, Carry Nation was wrong. Prohibition was inane social policy. It was Progressive, but repealed as soon as everyone realized its numerous unintended consequences. The conservatives won, and Elliot Ness had a drink. Is this your argument? I get so linear sometimes I can’t tell.
“It’s a myth, that of the Engineers of the 1950s that more energy consumption means more civilization. Like how simplistic? Some book from a dorky engineer trained in the 50s said that in a book back in ‘76. I read it then and now you’re repeating it. By that analogy, a driver of a Hummer is more civilized than a driver of a Prius. You might agree but is that scientific? Or as thor and I joke about energy hog CRTs some energy use could be wasteful perhaps? You’re comparing a hot Parisian babe with a fat ass hag from Tuscaloosa. Not that I know anyone from Tuscaloosa, but I’d bet she’s more fat than the average female of Paris. You know how the Euros describe us after they visit us. We’re using too much energy in calories.”
No, I do believe he’s comparing the Tuscaloosa hag and the Parisian hotty to the slaves and indentured servants of times past and present in more drudgerous parts of the world. Your point about energy use is, typically, wide of the point, which is that the free use of energy makes us, well, free. It’s also inane — if I work out at the gym three times a week, am I using more or less energy than if I meld to the couch and watch Tyra?
“‘Course in Africa being a calorie hog is status as calories are in demand while in USA too many calories are killing us. So I took Umbrage to the idea that just using more energy per person means that we are further civilized from the uncivilized custom of slavery. Up to a point energy use does matter but over use of energy…like its use in a thermonuclear war can be self-defeating. Ultimately.”
You take umbrage at the notion that if we use more energy we are more civilized than the uncivilized. That’s fine, if that was the point, which it wasn’t. The point is, the regular joes now enjoy a level of energy use in excess of what your average king had access to in ages past. We are now supposed to curtail this in favor of fiat commands from power-hungry world-shakers who will decide what energy we can use, and when, in spite of the unimpressive track record this approach has in providing any sort of material benefit (see also, USSR). Yet we must obey because the “authorities” have “spoken”. Sorry, but I’ve seen this movie.
“(Andrew, just to help you….with a little touch of jokiness…[who me????]……calories are measures of heat i.e. ‘Energy’ (mini sized versions compared to BTUs…) ”
You know how when you get all “jokey” and beam at your latest witticism, and everyone around you just kind of looks in the other direction, and goes back to talking about what they were before?
That means something. Investigate.
“Big Bang
1/ wrong…rapidly shrinking glaciers prove that heat’s a growing
2/ all other premises negated by # one.
that wasn’t too hard was it, I might get some work done today.”
This here science is ril easy! All ya gots ta do is believe the stuff that agrees with what you believe! Wutz all da noiz about?
You do give good umbrage.
Sorry, I didn’t mean it to sound like that. Hey, I saw a new, unopened bottle of solace in the medicine cabinet. You can take that, if Thor isn’t saving it for after the election.
Uh-oh, I’d better take a powder.
Aw nuts! My pharmacist says they might interact badly with the caution I’ve been taking for my nerves.
Well, McGehee, take care but give caution.
and Blackwater, but not Katrina. or delight.
I need TP for my bunghole. That was my all-time favorite Beavis and Butthead episode.
Enoch – Mine will be induced on the 6th, if she does not decide to come out before then.
And Kyoto, but not Baracky.
Maybe while I’m in there checking the medicine cabinet I’ll take a leak.
are you threatening me?
lololololololol
JD – TW —> most excellent… how very breeder-ish of you! Congrats.
McGehee – You do give good umbrage. Sorry, I didn’t mean it to sound like that.
No prob. it’s the most excitement I’ve had in… I did mention my wife is fairly pregnant an all, right?
#104
Someone, sometime, told you you were bright. Let me disabuse you of that appellation. You’re not.
He’s obviously boderline retarded, Rusty. And I dont use that term loosely at all. If not retarded than most certainly a mental illness of some sort. Bi-Polar? It’s gone from scorn to pity for the little old man. It’s getting colder, gotta turn up the thermostat and kill gaia just a little more.
Hey! I did just stub my toe and hop around on one foot screaming and cursing. So, what’s an umbrage offset worth to ya?
If there’s one thing more reprehensible than burning food for fuel, it’s this carbon cap & trade scheme. I Mean! Paying third world dictators to keep their people poor and backward? What sort of monster dreamed that up?
I’ve got to agree with ‘feet, Al doesn’t seem quite right. Not too surprising, as he’s been groomed to be president since he was a kid. Had it almost in his grasp until the Supremes shut down all the recount chicanery. I’d think the frustration alone would drive him mad.
But maybe it didn’t have that far to drive him. Way back in Earth in the Balance Big Honest Al said that if it were up to him he’d destroy the US economy, if that’s what it took to save the environment. I’ve got to think that quite a few of his accolytes see destroying the US economy and saving the environment as a win-win and, if destroying the economy doesn’t save the environment, at least they achieve one of their objectives, hm?
[Sigh] It was probably an anthropologist. After all, we need our poor and backward quaint and picturesque dissertation subjects.
Well, you strut your stuff Bj TESTES. Git those hens in the chechencoop and keep the ball rolling. It never stops at your feet.
#152
Nah. I’ve delt with special olympians that can string together more coherent thoughts. They,after all, are working to the very limit of their capabilities. Dave has squandered his.
You know, you guys are more than a bit obsessed with “anal”yzing the “0pposition” — could it be a rectal violation?
shit, sorry that was actually a botched post.
#157
Oh. We’re not analizing anything. We can spot a lying opportunist from a mile off, we’re just having a good time at their expense.