18 Replies to “Drop the Soap [Dan Collins]”

1. David says:

   March 31, 2008 at 1:23 pm

   I gotta say, I agree with one of the pundits. If we don’t have corporal punishment in prison anymore, how can we sanction prison rape?

   I don’t think rape should be part of the prison “experience.” If we think prison is too soft, bring back breaking rocks and get rid of TV etc.

   I find it pretty disgusting, and I have no great love for the criminal class.

2. Enoch_Root - TWP also says:

   March 31, 2008 at 1:47 pm

   I dunno – I think maybe it’s good sensitivity training. Maybe we should just make sure they have unused condoms. And if they end up pregnant, we could get the taxpayers to foot the bill for morning after pill or abortion.

3. houstonian says:

   March 31, 2008 at 2:18 pm

   Yep. What many people miss is the way that rogue prosecutors like Eliot Spitzer use prison rape to intimidate their targets. Even if they don’t say “Spike will make you his bitch”, all they have to say is “you DON’T want to go to prison, believe me, so you better make a deal now”.

   For all their professed concern about rape in society, most liberals have zero desire to do something about the ongoing shame in our prisons. They like how they can use the prospect of prison rape to cow ordinary people into cooperating with their Marxist prosecutorial agendas.

   As with other commenters, I have little sympathy for felons, but rape should not be part of any civilized society’s correctional system. I’d advocate a one-strike and you’re out rule: if one prisoner’s DNA is found inside another, the rapist gets chemically castrated. Of course, that would open some doors we’d prefer to keep shut (wouldn’t feminists love such a rule in outside society), but this is an area where something must be done.

   If you strip a man of his ability to retreat from danger, you have an obligation to protect him from that danger.

4. Marty says:

   March 31, 2008 at 2:24 pm

   What gets overlooked in all of the posting I’ve seen about this topic, is the perverse (ahem) incentive that allowing prison rape to continue creates: the worst of the worst prisoners are the ones who benefit most from the status quo. It runs contrary to the notions both that prison is a place of punishment (being obviously less so for the most violent and intimidating inmates) or a place of rehabilitation (when becoming more civilized makes you less of a perpetrator and more of a target).

   I don’t believe in either of the above models (punishment or rehab); I believe that having reached the age of majority, an individual who behaves in a manner so uncivilized that it warrants long-term and/or maximum security incarceration is an individual who is damaged beyond hope, and the only solution that makes sense is crating him up away from society. Concentrating on what’s best for the inmate is useless, because neither punishment nor rehabilitation will work with an adult. Creating a situation that best benefits the non-incarcerated society outside of prison is the only goal worth persuing.

   To me, the obvious (though probably most expensive) solution is isolation. If it costs too much to keep all prisoners isolated, then isolate the most violent. And I simply can’t accept that the status quo is a better solution that the potential psychological harm that isolation will do, or how isolation might interfere with some useless course of rehabilitation that has been prescribed.

5. Enoch_Root - TWP also says:

   March 31, 2008 at 2:33 pm

   houstonian and Marty – I think you are just homophobes. What’s wrong with two mens having teh gay sex?

6. Enoch_Root - TWP also says:

   March 31, 2008 at 2:36 pm

   I mean you can’t ask people to be asexual ‘an all. I mean, a man’s got needs… you know… what do you want him just to tame his sexual urges? You shallow-minded asses!

7. Daryl Herbert says:

   March 31, 2008 at 3:22 pm

   If I was subject to arrest and extradition to a country where I would be raped, I would not go quietly. The same is true for a U.S. state. Thankfully I live in California, which has taken common-sense measures to reduce prison rape; for example, separating the “beta” males from the alphas instead of putting them in the same cells. It’s such a simple, obvious reform–yet most states haven’t done it yet.

   No one has the obligation to accept being raped.

   We have a general obligation not to harm police officers as part of the social contract, but that goes out the window if the officers are going to personally rape you. It goes out the window if the officers are going to drag you to some location where you will be raped.

8. Techie says:

   March 31, 2008 at 3:31 pm

   I vote for re-introducing saltpeter into prison diets.

9. Marty says:

   March 31, 2008 at 3:34 pm

   “If you strip a man of his ability to retreat from danger, you have an obligation to protect him from that danger.”

   Agreed. I’m not trying to say that I think prison should be hellish; indeed, it needn’t even be unpleasant. But ignoring a status quo where criminal interaction (of any nature) flourishes is counter-productive to the goal of incarceration in the first place.

10. thor says:

    March 31, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    The greatest institutionalized scourge in America is our male prisons. Fuckin’ whore women, ever seen the programs offered to the crack addicted bitches in female prisons? Title IX slobbering liberal hypocritical whores, they should all be waterboarded to an inch of their lives.

11. alppuccino says:

    March 31, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Girlfriend trouble, thor?

12. thor says:

    March 31, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Nothing but, puccino.

    I have many mixed opinions of women. For example, at the same age you have your son circumcised should you have your daughter’s voice box removed? I say no. Girls say so many pricelessly cute things when they’re girls. With females it’s at or around the age of 10, 11, 12, 13 where I think we should focus our scalpels on.

13. Radish says:

    March 31, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    I’m not trying to say that I think prison should be hellish; indeed, it needn’t even be unpleasant.

    Interesting. I think prison should “unpleasant” as all fuck. As it stands, three hots, a cot, and cable TV doesn’t deter anyone from sticking a gun in my face and asking for my wallet–big deal, they get your room, board, and medical all paid for, much the same as they already do on the outside.

14. cynn says:

    March 31, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    I applaud Morrissey’s sentiments here, but unfortunately I think prison rape has become in a way institutionalized. Another means to try to control a poorly confined, overcrowded population. I can easily imagine guards threatening to “relocate” a troublesome inmate.

15. alppuccino says:

    March 31, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Don’t hold your breath for those Oprah tickets, thor my man.

16. Marty says:

    March 31, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    “Interesting. I think prison should ‘unpleasant’ as all fuck. As it stands, three hots, a cot, and cable TV doesn’t deter anyone from sticking a gun in my face and asking for my wallet–big deal, they get your room, board, and medical all paid for, much the same as they already do on the outside.”

    I have no faith in general deterence whatsoever. Doesn’t matter what you do to people on the inside, it won’t stop some other loon from getting sent up. Only specific deterence works, and that means incarceration (etc.) for those who specifically commit the crimes.

17. thor says:

    April 1, 2008 at 1:49 am

    By doing right with our prison population we do right by our general population in that most of the prison population gets released back into the general population. We should help prisoners build skill sets and self-esteem. To treat them as animals deserving of ass-rape endangers us all in the end. “I am my brother’s keeper” extends to all, not just to female prisoners.

18. Dan Collins says:

    April 1, 2008 at 6:50 am

    To treat them as animals deserving of ass-rape endangers us all in the end.

    Not to be homophobic or anything, but Amen.

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