Lionheart writes of his arrest, detention and interrogation for expressing anti-Islamic sentiments in his blog, and notes the extraordinary double standard with which laws pertaining to “hate speech” are applied in Britain.ÂÂ
Meanwhile, of course, the movement towards disestablishment of the C of Econtinues apace, which only makes sense, when you consider that they need to make room for Islam.
h/t Enoch_RootÂÂ
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Having a state church is another stupid thing about England. Getting rid of it would be a good idea, but then it would also be a good idea to have a written constitution, a bill of rights, and all sorts of other silly little things we cross-pond colonials hold dear.
And Catholics falling behind Muslims isn’t a big deal. A few scheduled unchaperoned hours at all the worlds’ CYOs and that will be solved within nine months. And anyway, the Mormons will overtake them both as soon as some Elder has some revelatory vision of Muhammed visiting Utah and seeing a Jazz game.
eventually, we will have to choose.
I will, once again, liken it to 9/11 – where the institutions we have died for are hijacked and flown into our culture.
for my part, I am raising 5 Crusaders. Willing to be Martyred. And if you think that is extreme… just wait a couple years. You will eventually have to choose. Will your daughters be cattle?
Hate crimes, on their face, fly in the face of free speech and actual democracy. That the sec proggs, the Left libs, and their EU friends cannot see that either speaks to their ideological blinders, or their authoritarian tendencies.
Ish, the comments at Lionheart are loopy enough.
I do wonder what the “mistake” was. Imagination tends to puff up the possibilities in absence of knowlege of the specific allegations against him.
And their implementation and enforcement fly in the face of equality before the law and due process. Look at Canada’s “Human Rights Commissions” — former staffers posting on sites to solicit/incite comments they then use as the basis of complaints, a nearly 100% “conviction” rate, and an institutional preference for secrecy and anonymous accusations.
Based on my one, long-ago visit to London, I thought that’s what all English toilet paper was like.
Indeed, they need to do those things before they disestablish — lest they end up with the Church of Moohamhead as their state religion.
Ish, the comments at Lionheart are loopy enough.
I dunno, what do you expect? As I wrote at Ace’s place w/ regards the closing of the Fitna comments in which lots of “kill the Muslims and let God sort it out” comments were apparently present (link):
“I think more and more people are realizing that thuggery works and not with their consent. And as the very entities given the power to protect them refuse to [do s]o – or use it against them – anger would seem to be a unsurprising reaction. And the longer these entities refuse to do their job, the angrier people will get.
Consider those comments to be a spot check of where we are and where we are heading.”
I wish I was as good at writing as Jeff or Ace or any number of commenters here, so I can only hope my point came across. That is, there is a problem in society that is being ignored and the people who point out this problem are being attacked for doing so. The counter(-counter?)-reaction will not be expressed as tamely as the first time around.
I am on record from four or five years ago, that the resolution of this whole “issue” is not going to be pretty and many completely innocent victims are going to pay for the institutionalization of PC.
Danes are not the most violent of nationalities, but one thing that separates Denmark from the UK is that Danes are permitted to talk about their immigration issues (pretty much) without fear of government intimidation or arrest.
The problem with Mr Ray is that he is not quite right in the head, and its impossible to defend him without separating oneself from his brand of disease. His connections and assertions are not perfectly defensible, even though he is like the proverbial broken clock, perhaps one that is right 4 or five times a day instead of two.
And though I defend his human right, given him by God, to speak and think as he chooses, (that’s whether or not he gets something right or wrong), and am absolutely appalled at his British arrest on suspicion of inciting race hatred ( no decision at present on whether he is to be charged), he’s off the beam. He’s been a glowing supporter of the BNP, and has unfortunate connections. He flew off the handle in an outrageous way at LGF when Charles made a distinction between opposing his arrest and supporting his ideas wholeheartedly,
His website even now has a very distasteful “muslim pregnancy bomb” on his site, which, while I defend his right to be provocative about and uncomfortable truth ( in the best light) or flat our racist( in the worst light, the British government doesn not share certain views of the Enlightenment and never has.
I wonder at his arrest – wonder if teh crazee and potential BNP affiliations have something to do with it, not simply his partly-right and very intensely expressed notions about the dangers of Islam.
What percentage of Englishmen are Muslim? Four? Six? Eight? Manchester United would be the official religion before Islam. And the Kurds will take over Iran with their 8%, we’re heading for a takeover by the Green Party, and the baseball player who hits two home runs on opening day will hit 324 homers this season. And I can prove it with charts!
The math may look worrisome at first, but inertia works both for the trends (moving) and the culture as a whole (at rest.) When chavs start wearing Adidas burkas and turbans, wake me up to this impending demographic doomsday so I can watch as the yobs kick their asses and tell them to stuff it.
jon,
The goal isn’t to convert Britons to Islam, so much as it is to silence all criticism of Islam. When hate crime laws oh-so-coincidentally wind up being Islamic anti-blasphemy laws, something sinister’s afoot.
The BBC is so a lot complicit I think.
Inspector Sanity,
I was focusing the bulk of my incredulity at Mr. Father of Five Crusaders and his ilk who insist we must choose now or soon. I’m surprised such people are brave enough to turn on their computers following that whole Y2K scare.
As to the overreach of hate crimes legislation, I’m in general agreement. And in regards to anti-blasphemy becoming law and the horrifying stupidity that ensues when basic ideas such as respectful coexistence become codified into law, I look forward to the day Tom Cruise gets crowned as the British Pope because no Britain would dare speak out against that.
jon,
you are focusing little or none of your incredulity when compared with your disdain for “such people”.
And as for their bravery: you know that such people will not come after you and you also know that the state will not come after you either for your disdainful comments about them.
That is absolutely not the case for “such people”.
I watched his videos about this here. You can get a very real sense that SarahW is a lot right about him, but a lot of that comes from I think that he’s sort of not at all in his element dealing with a highly nuanced topic, but he’s sort of charmingly earnest all the same.
One point he raised that kind of stuck with me – it’s in the last vid on that page – was that we here in the states really aren’t at all prepared to offer asylum to people targeted by the British state for speaking out about this sort of thing they see happening where they live. I think we should talk about that. I don’t think Baracky would be very sympathetic really, offering asylum to white people and all, but I’d like to hear what McCain thinks.
Mr. Father of Five Crusaders and his ilk who insist we must choose now or soon. I’m surprised such people are brave enough to turn on their computers following that whole Y2K scare.
Jon – you are an ass. I am just saying eventually you will have to choose. Do you disagree? And, no, I don’t necessarily think you need to do much of anything about it. You can leave it to “such people” like myself to spend our blood and treasure on the issue. If you think this is how I’d have it, you’re wrong. I wouldn’t. As a Christian, I would love for there to be Peace on Earth. But if it comes to the point where my daughters or their daughters are in danger of being cattle or being put to the sword for the sons of the Profit (may a goat shit in his shoes), you can believe that I am pulling for my heirs to fight like mother-fuckers. And die, if they must, for something much finer… like their forefathers and mothers. That is to say, none of mine will go quietly. To the contrary, I would rather have them bleed for the Faith… and yes give their lives for the foundational philosophy of this country, than capitulate and send us packing for the twelve hundreds. I am sure all humans and movements are very well-intentioned indeed. All we need do is look at similar scourges and recognize it’s not what they say, but rather what they do. Would I prefer Christians to have the upper-hand? You bet. Wouldn’t you? Show me something Muslim that has advanced the cause of justice or enlightenment for the rest of us… I dare you.
Lionheart posted this quote from Churchill (You know, that paranoid ass with nary enough courage to turn on his computer after Y2K). What did he know Jon? I mean next to someone as insightful as you… Churchill’s got nothing.
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among
men.Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly
struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.â€Â
If I might steer the conversation to the C of E, I think disestablishment is a great idea. I’ll confess my enthusiasm is largely tactical insofar as we Anglicans would have been spared the disastrous misrule by His Grace Rowan Williams had this been the case. I’d wager that, in place of a nomination to the office by the likes of a squish like Tony Blair, the ABoC would be elected by men like Peter Akinola, Emmanuel Kolini and Gregory Venables. We’d certainly see a much different tone from Lambeth today if that was the case.
Enoch_Root:
You’re right. jon’s an ass.
I’m raising three daughters and a son, all with an understanding of right and wrong. And no, I don’t think you’re reactionary. I too believe, that we will soon face a choice. As fathers to daughters, especially, we have to prepare them for any circumstance in which they’ll be focibly diminished.
I explained to them each when they became teenagers that every male was prepared for the kick to the groin. Better to feign that kick and throw the quick punch to the throat which ends all fights.
My daughters will go for the throat.
Cowboy – Amen to that. When it comes to girls, better to raise them mean as hell. Which I have done/am doing. The oldest has maybe the most perfect right hook one could want.
Mr. Root,
I have no argument with your arguments against Islam. I see Islam itself as a bunch of idiotic fairy tales featuring genies, rules for wiping one’s ass with stones, a series of embarassing grooming regulations, and wholly unfit for competitiveness in the global market. And yes, some of them want to enslave us to their brand of idiocy. Nevertheless, I still find your militaristic outlook amusing.
That you take offense is also amusing. That you insist I should defend Islam because I laugh at you only increases the humor level. Getting called an ass by the likes of you would be an honor if your opinion mattered. And I hope you feel the same way about me.
I also find it charming how much you want your daughters to fight like “mother-fuckers” in this upcoming battle, while conveniently keeping yourself out of the fray. I’d admire you moxie, were it admirable.
Jeffersonian,
States that have official religions tend to be worse in their politics and their religion. Keeping the two separate keeps both the beneficial aspects and the corruption of each firmly in its place. We’d be having more raped children if the prosecutors were under the direct influence of priests, and we’d have fewer civil rights if the clergymen who spoke out against wrongs were under government contracts. Plus, if my taxes are going to support a church, there’d better be a sauna, yoga, massage, and at least a half Olympic-length pool. And movie nights.
Well, I agree; I also raise my daughter to be a little toughie anti-gangster who would kick both your and extremeist kids’ butts. She thinks for herself, and not for some scairdy cowardly extremist enclave. My God, what a fearful future you are advocating.
Sorry, that was over the top and repetitive; I am simply astounded that people are already conditioning their children toward some kind of apolyptic attitude toward Islam. This can’t be good.
I sure hope that when the time comes to either kneel before the Islamic horde or fight them, I don’t look to my sons to fight before I do. I also hope you don’t coach your children’s sports teams, because you guys sound like the kind of asshole parents who need your children to win for your benefit rather than theirs.
oops, meant apocalyptic.
jon — wtf? My kid plays sports for the helluvit. No strings; nothing at stake. So are you raising automatons programmed to destroy whatever other is in fashion? God help us, every one.
You sound like an ethnic supremist, and that is truly disgusting.
this guy lionheart seems like not at all the sort of ally we who rightly criticize Islam–to say nothing of Britain’s full-bore multi-culti collapse–need. I mean the man appears quite nearer to Guderian or Manstein than Montgomery on the political spectrum.
that’s a problem. a big one.
pity he reaped the wind that the UK has sown out of weakness. But he’s an ass through and through.
Enoch, Cowboy, I understand where you are coming from. Defending our way of life as a virtue we should teach our children is what jon tries to obscure with the straw man of a mocking disdain for those that recognize islam for a threat.
I do have worse news for you though, with regards to this:
I’m raising three daughters and a son, all with an understanding of right and wrong. And no, I don’t think you’re reactionary. I too believe, that we will soon face a choice.
We are already faced with the choice. It was presented to us on 9/11/01, and George Bush and his supporters are the only ones who recognize Islam as a dangerous threat. Those afflicted with BDS would convert into Muslims before admitting they were wrong about Iraq, or, as some here have said, the war on a tactic.
Dismissing Muslims as another kooky religion, like Christianity or Buddhism, is to be ignorant of the implications in Islam being a theocracy, and sitting on what the world needs to keep the lights on.
I’m with you, lee. I absolutely forbid my children to engage in moral equivalence. They MUST make choices. I’m unsure about your circumstances, but I fight a seemingly never-ending battle against my kids’ textbooks and teachers. From DDT to AGW, I constantly refute what they’re being “fed.”
My kids are in their mid-twenties, so have heard all my ‘refutings’.
My son had an awakening about three years ago when we had a Homer choking Bart moment after he started spouting the “we deserved 9/11” shit.
WE DID NOTHING *gwk*gasp* THAT JUSTIFIES *geerrrk*gag* HAVING 3000 *gurgle*glek* AMERICANS SLAUGHTERED *glug*gasp* YOU DUMB SHIT! *gack*gack*
I exaggerate of course, to make a point my lawyer insists I add…
He admitted getting his opinions from peer pressure, but he is a well grounded conservative today, I am happy to say, after taking my advice to educate himself with the standpoints of both sides of an issue, then decide what makes sense to you.
So being a racist asshole is OK here.
Is that any way to talk about nishi?
…well, actually, it is.
I’m just wondering where race was discussed in this thread.
Two shakes of salt and a pinch of pepper, as me Mums would say. If the Palestinians and other Islamo-monkeys added a little table salt to their rat poison soak then their human/shrapnel payloads might, possibly, exceed the threshold of certain of Western society’s taste. Not me.
I’d like to film Mecca being blown to hell on b&w super-8 film stock during Ramadan. Then I’d dress up like Jacques Cousteau and go pearl diving into a sea of fresh blood. Who knows what I’d find scavenging the bottom – pearls of culture, cultured pearls, breastplate flakes, pig’s turds and feet, and a lot of cool assorted anonymities.
“Martyrs don’t do much for me though I enjoy them vicariously.”
Hey cynn, did you get an invitation to do dinner with Barack Obama in your email? I know, I know, it looks like just another money raising ploy because all you really get is a chance to sit at a table of five with the boy God himself. But just think, you, me, at the same table telling Barack our personal stories of infamy and heartbreak and all the other stuff he wants to hear. Maybe after Barack’s handlers warn me to stay away from Barack or I’ll be arrested, and after the free drinks kick in, then maybe we could hook up, yo!
then maybe we could hook up, yo!
MY GOD MAN!! Have you NO standards?!
If you want to sit at the pokher table and parry doubt towards cynn’s MILFness, I’m all in.
Jon – for the record, I am more than willing to lay my life on the line. But, alas, my children are not mine anyway. They are in my care from God for the time being. And they love Peace first… but, yes, it would be fair to say they aren’t lay-downs. They think it’s silly that the principal doesn’t allow dodge ball at school, for instance. I take it you were picked on as a kid.
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Well. We let you in here, so it must be OK. Sounds like a Montessori kid.
Jon. I don’t get any of those things while I pay property taxes for public schools and send my daughter to a private catholic school. So no swimming with the nuns for you.
“a very distasteful “muslim pregnancy bombâ€Â
I suppose if followers of Allah would not be droning out children who schout “Jews are pigs and apes” or “Death to America” while hacking off people’s heads then I wouldn’t have to think about whether Muslims (of course not all mind you) are crazy.
Actually if Muslims themselves were not so complicent with the crazy Jihadists then perhaps non-Muslims would not be forced into the position of defending their lives and their cultures.
Unfortunately, in our twisted PC world it’s going to take something like nuking Israel off the face of the planet before non-Muslims are allowed to speak freely about Islam.
syn – that or a dirty bomb in the heart of Chicago. 9-11 just didnt seem to be horrific enough to convince people that “such people” dont really want to “dialog” over a latte at starbucks while listening to 10,000 maniacs
‘dirty bomb in the heart of Chicago.’
Or, one in Denver. However, it’s an election year so if history is any indication it won’t happen until after the next President assumes office.
It was 8 1/2 years between the first attack on American soil and the second attack, so 2009 is just about the time a statement might be made especially since open borders means FARC can help Jihadists do the dirty bombing work.
But let’s go back to talking about how Americans and Europeans should fear the ‘right-wingers’ such as Geert Wilders and Lionheart who who simply repeat what Islam is shouting.
Of course not all Muslims mind you are shouting, only the 20 million or so are given that freedom to reign in free hate-speech.