David Thompson has a typically excellent post up about the reactions to Fitna.ÂÂ
In the Guardian, Ali Eteraz described Fitna as “an effort to turn the entirety of Islam into a demonic edifice†– which may or may not be Wilders’ personal view, but is a somewhat loaded reading of the film. Wilders may well be an objectionable self-regarding oaf, as Eteraz and others claim, but that doesn’t address the fundamental issues. It simply avoids them. Instead we get: “Most people familiar with the Qur’an… accept that you can have the Qur’an say pretty much whatever you want.†This is another variation of the “Oh, but all religions can be twisted to mean anything†evasion (discussed at length here), and is based on an idle assumption that Islam has no theological features and precedents that make it unusual among religions. Eteraz also bemoaned the “disgusting conflations of the Qur’an with acts of violence, murder, kidnapping and anti-Semitism†– a statement that reveals an ignorance of Islamic history and jurisprudence that is almost, but not quite, funny.
As usual, umbrage and disgust is directed at those who point to the sacralising of terror by others, rather than those who actually make terror a matter of pious obligation. Would such reactions have been very different if more elevated minds – say, Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq or Andrew Bostom – had made a film, any film, on the subject? Somehow, I think not.
Many links. Go read it there.
i thot it was snore city really, quite crude.
and i found the use of the “coffee dance” from Nutcracker as soundtrack really trite and lame.
bathetic.
elevated minds? plz…it is to laff.
Spencer is a pathetic wannabe, an capable only of regurgitating jihaadi exegesis.
No actual Islamic scholars will debate him in spite of his standing offer.
Rejected by al-Jazeerha! So sad.
They even took the sadly unpulchitrudinous Wafa.
heres a mock for Roobart(how he spells his name in arabic),
to the tune of “Sandy” from Grease
Rejected by al-Jazheera
branded a fool
what will they say
at Islam School
al-Jazheera can’t you see
i’m in misery
i need those props
my books are slops
There’s nothin’ left for me
celebrity has flown
All alone I sit
I wonder wh – yi-yi-yi
Oh why you won’t take me
al-Jazheera
FIRST!
oops…forgot the link
Rejected by al-Jazheera
branded a fool
what will they say
at Islam School
al-Jazheera can’t you see
i’m in misery
i need those props
my books are slops
There’s nothin’ left for me
celebrity has flown
All alone I sit
I wonder wh – yi-yi-yi
Oh why you won’t take me
al-Jazheera
Fitna illustrates how easily the Koran was (and still is) used to influence, to a pathetic degree, the weak and unenlightened minds of the peasant-class of peoples it was written to control. Islam is the last remaining v. 1.0 religion. Reform is the key to neutralizing the ancient influences (you now, the stonings, the beheadings, the child rapages, the always-pleasant reactions believers have to anyone questioning Brother Mohammed’s true intentions, his bona fides or especially his lucidity and compos mentis).
Nishi, you will spend every waking hour bashing Christianity (and then take no-doze just to get in an extra session) but you embrace aspects of this nonsense. Wow.
Oh, you can see the two versions (Danish, and with English subtitles) here at Wikileaks.
Third!!!!
If Wilder is so off base about Islam, then why this? The internets need more of this.
cuz that isnt “Islam” pablo hunnie.
that is sociopaths and psycopaths lockin on to a convenient excuse for revenge killins.
The violent reflex of Islamists is predictable, so I think the more interesting reactions, Serr8d, come from the tranzi Left and are far more worthy of comment. Having spent decades in the nominal pursuit of “democracy,” secularism, feminism, anti-death penalty, civil and gay rights, the Left now swoons at the foot of a force that is militantly hostile to all of these stated goals. Why?
I believe the answer lies in that the committment to all these stated goals was because they stood in opposition to the prevailing culture, not because they saw anything worthy in them per se. They believed that adopting them would bring down the structure of what they hated. The devotion to Communism the more strident members of the Left possessed was of a piece with this. Now, with Communism relegated to dustbins, faculty lounges and editorial offices and the goals of feminism, etc. largely attained, the Left is furious that the capitalist enemy still stands dominant, their plans having failed to bring it down. So what to do but to adhere to the dominant anti-West force in the world today: Islam.
In the complete betrayal of previous goals, the Left exposes itself as a nihilist movement intent on destruction of the prevailing order only. It will use any end, betray any principle to attain this goal, even at the promise of its own eventual destruction at the hands of its Islamist allies.
serr8D, i bash theocons, not xianity.
i care fuckall wat u guys do in church…i just want u out of government.
Oh, look! Islam is peace!
Who wants to tell Hamas?
Interesting. Jeffersonian makes a couple of interesting points, then nishi comes along to reject democracy in toto just by way of illustration of J’s thesis. Thanks, hon.
Regards,
Ric
hahaha…Ali’s friend gets the best chops.
“i could have masturbated in that time.”
a boring cliche.
an liveleak are spineless wimps and the UN are eevul misery pimps and wilders is a media whore.
wat else is new?
Ah yes, she of the ultimate faith-based presidential candidate. It is to laugh.
wilders used the wrong man’s picture?? hehe!
lawsuit!
incompetant boob.
pablo, u cant possibly be that stupid.
Sadr wants control of Karbala, the holiest site to the shi’ia twelvers, he wants Sistanis job as the supreme religious authority of the Shi’ia, and he is gettin beaucoup Iranian help to accomplish those goals.
its politics, not religion.
again, i dont see O as faithbased.
and GW is an evangelical an i voted for him a cuz of Iraq.
i am voting for the best candidate.
i believe its O.
u can believe wat u like.
BECAUSE OF THE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE!!!
if liveleak was brave enuff to put it up they shud have been brave enuff to keep it up.
pullin it was wrong.
dont they watch South Park?
So this post was about David Thomsen’s comments about Fitna and within one single comment, nishi has changed the subject. Then with another comment, the subject changes again and then a third time. And you all dance to her tune.
Jeez, is it that hard to ignore her?
Back when we didn’t know/care about touching mercury, it used to be a somewhat amusing game to try and corral the little drops from say a broken thermometer. If you try to press down on one, whoops!, it dodges away. It was the ultimate in elusive. Little Miss Mercury reminds of the same.
ekshually, i was fiskin thompson, startin with this….
“Would such reactions have been very different if more elevated minds[ed. heh] – say, Robert Spencer”
and i pulled the other stuff out of the guardian piece thompson linked.
i think anyone that puts up sumpin like liveleak shud be brave enuff to keep it up…they just showed the sociopaths wat works, didnt they?
if they dont have the courage of their convictions…they are just snakepokers.
nishi has her uses, primarily as an illustration of how the devout see their own faith as perfectly reasonable and all others as ridiculous in some way. She’s so egotistical and certain of her own Rightness (and Righteousness), and so totally clueless as to the actual content of such philosophies as free speech, freedom of religion, and the like as to spark discussion among the rest of us. Semanticleo is much the same with a slightly different set of Absolute Verities.
Regards,
Ric
for those of u that weren’t around….
We have a very profound saying out here in the West.
Don’t poke the snake.
You see, the paramedics at our local fire department here on the front range of the rocky mountains treat a number of snake bite cases every summer. The story fronted by the cyclist/jogger is always that they were peaceably cycling/running past and said snake just jumped out and bit them.
However, the bite wound is always on the hand or arm, implying that the venom recipient had picked up a stick and was poking at the snake.
liveleak poked the snake….they shud have expected the bite, and had the antivenom on hand.
in this case, liveleak had good reason to poke the snake, but they certainly shud have been prepared to deal with the consequences.
pullin fitna was exactly the wrong to do…..that just rewarded just the sociopaths.
I think we’re still on the relative role of Islam in the promotion of peace/violence. That said, we should be mindful of the difference between noting a dog turd and stepping in one.
Nishi, your problem is that you see “theocons” under your bed. Somehow, in your mind (nor is this an uncommon theme about the moonbat contingent) there is some kind of wild plot to turn this country into a thoecracy. While this notion is nothing new, in this latest iteration of “the e-vil X-tians are taking over” meme, it gets most of it’s impetus from the fact that the hated McChimpyBushitler is a professed Christian. Never mind that he’s done nothing that would lead to any such thing, that does not stop the usual suspects (and yes, sweet cheeks, that includes you) from claiming he is.
Hate to break it to you, hon, but over 80% of the population of the United States has some kind of religious faith, and the vast majority of those are Christian. However, having said that, there is no “vast right-wing theocon conspiracy” to make you or anyone else genuflect before God, Yahweh, RALPH!, the Great Cosmic Muffin or whatever.
Whatever, Nishi.
Anything that comes along (even something as minutely flawed as Etaraz seeks to declaim) that puts pressure on Islam
ismto reform is fine with me.We on the outside of Islam, looking (and suffering) the acts Wilders so effectively potrays, have to keep the pressure up on Islam
ismto force any meaningful reform. Most of Europe, tolerant to the point of suicidal, will not pressure Islamismic reform; eventually they will be overriden and absorbed. Any nation who is tolerant to barbarism will succumb.Islam
ism, if true to the teachings of the Koran, is the most barbaric major religion left on the planet.Nishi is honest enough to recognize the Obamessiah as non-“faithbased.” The Religious Left’s theology is entirely informed by its politics, and she knows this. Listening to a Crazy Jerry diatribe will no more have one reflecting on the teachings of Christ than will a Seven-Up commercial.
Noisy in here, isn’t it?
jeffersonian, Obama may be non faith based, but his support is nothing but. He’s running on blind faith in Obama, and nothing else.
I couldn’t agree more, Pablo.
nishi has her uses
You are all better people than I.
It is ironic. I have had a number of debates with Christians in which I urged them to recognize that the underlying philosophy of the Bible is one of pacifism, surrender, self-abnegation, and voluntary dhimmitude. Their response is always to cherry pick some quote from the Bible that seems to suggest that Jesus wasn’t really a pacifist, wasn’t really the Lamb of Peace. It’s as if they think that mine is some strained interpretation that doesn’t have two thousand years of tradition behind it.
Muslims are in the same boat when it comes to the Koran. They can cherry pick the text to claim that it supports a “religion of peace” interpretation, but that is completely at odds with fifteen hundred years of tradition. For fifteen hundred years jihad has meant mass slaughter of the infidel.
It’s in the nature of holy texts to be contradictory, but the underlying principles of a religion tend to be preserved in spite of tensions in the text. Alternative intrepretations may prevail for a period of time, but there is always an internal pressure within the religion that will push people back towards those foundational principles. In Christianity the pressure is towards pacifism and retreat from the world, while in Islam it is towards jihad and domination.
As Dan points out, Thompson’s essay is rich in links.
I especially enjoyed this one,
[…]Again, the size of an extremist ‘fringe’ and its relationship to mainstream conceptions of the faith have to be considered as they actually are, not as one might wish, or assume.
There was a book a while back called “1,001 Uses for a Dead Cat.”
I think the dead cats have nishi beat by about 700 or so.
that puts pressure on Islamism to reform is fine with me.
useless
reform must come from within
fitna is too crude and unsophisticated to persuade anyone except two digits.
your problem is that you see “theocons†under your bed
no….theocons are 1/3 of the republican and 1/5 of the electorate.
the religious precepts i object to are
1. homosexuality is “bad”
2. abortion is “bad”
3. a diploid fertilized egg is a human being with citizen rights
i just want that crap out of my grandfathers party and and out of my (-cough- separation-of-church-and-state -cough-) government.
i would like to revisit the liveleak posting of fitna.
i strongly believe that if they weren’t prepared to face the consequences they should NEVER have pulled the viddie.
that isnt Islam……its extortion.
liveleak hurt the cause of free speech by cravenly giving to the terrorists.
pussies.
nishi has her uses, primarily as an illustration of how the devout see their own faith as perfectly reasonable and all others as ridiculous in some way. She’s so egotistical and certain of her own Rightness (and Righteousness), and so totally clueless as to the actual content of such philosophies as free speech, freedom of religion, and the like as to spark discussion among the rest of us. Semanticleo is much the same with a slightly different set of Absolute Verities.
I think that’s only a part of it. Nishizono has the delusion that she’s a creature of pure reason. It’s a very common delusion, and not tied to religious belief as it is especially common among militant atheists. I think it may very well be that everyone has to fight not to fall victim to it.
Basically, Nishizono sees her opinions as purely the product of rational thought, and as such believes that anyone that has different opinions must be irrational. We have come to different opinions than her, so by her rules, we have proven ourselves incapable of rational thought. Many Christian faiths have come to different opinions than those produced by her ‘rational’ thinking, and therefore anyone that believes those creeds is not rational enough to be trusted with running the country. The fact that values decisions have no rational answer (that two separate people can take the facts and come to different, rational opinions) goes straight over her head.
Furthermore, any evidence that would prove that Nishizono’s opinions might be irrational is contradictory to reason and may be safely discarded. Witness the twisted logic she uses to ignore the disconnect between her professed value system and her ‘rational’ decision to support Obama in the election. Any attempt to link Obama to irrational faith-based opinions requires an impossible burden of proof, while the flimsiest association is enough to taint McCain.
Frankly, I say we give her the respect of her beliefs. Her belief that her opinions on values judgments is the only rational response suggests she’s not rational. By her own rules, her opinion on political matters can be safely ignored.
34th!!1!!!11
liveleak should NEVER have posted that in the first place.
wat did they think would happen?
in fact, if they had any guts…..they shud put it back up.
wat do u guys think?
TTP, perhaps we should just put that thecon list on the sidebar, since you seem to have a hard time letting a single thread go by w/o listing it.
civilis…i want religion out of my government, my party.
the theocons say they have the right to put it there.
who is correct?
no opinons on the craven cowardice of Liveleak?
cuz that isnt “Islam†pablo hunnie.
that is sociopaths and psycopaths lockin on to a convenient excuse for revenge killins.
I think nishi has just discovered a cure for cancer. Just stop calling it that. We just say they died of old age. We could start calling colds cancer, and then it would be easy to cure.
civilis, i believe in free speech and freedom of religion.
but i mostly believe in the FREEDOM OF GOVERNMENT FROM RELIGION.
all of you are just as cowardly as liveleak i think.
this site has devolved to cowardly racist homophobic twodigits.
how the mighty have fallen.
I cant believe I am doing this… but nishi, please explain to me how our government is using theology to say that homosexuality is bad? And also abortion is bad because of theology? We have legal abortion in this country and we have laws barring discrimination against gays. So, I fail to see your point that we are becoming a theocracy.
.00145
nishi is a moral moron. Full stop.
susan
nishi hates hearing anyone that disagrees with her views. If jews and xians have the chutzpah to actually make moral pronouncements in the public square, then that is interfering in Teh Secular Gubmint.
Islamists doing something similar? Chickens, bahby, chickens comin’ home to roost. And we should accept our nasty jooo/xian blame on that score.
I’m sorry, nishi. What is it that you want?
actually the First Amendment re: religion reads thusly:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Nishi engages in willing ignorance in order to pretend her beliefs are reasonable and rational.
One digit to you, bakatojo.
samesex marriage is illegal…therefore homosexuality is bad.
gays are sub-citizens.
they have less rights.
GW wanted to ammend the constitution to say teh gay is bad. (the marriage act)
fortunately it was too hard.
oh yah, susan, tell me the theocons arent tryin to overturn Roe.
it is too laff.
nothing dan.
please ban me.
this is unbearable.
the religious precepts i object to are
1. homosexuality is “badâ€Â
2. abortion is “badâ€Â
3. a diploid fertilized egg is a human being with citizen rights
i just want that crap out of my grandfathers party and and out of my (-cough- separation-of-church-and-state -cough-) government.
On cue, Nishizono gives me a perfect illustration of what I was just talking about. “Good” and “Bad” are values judgments. There is no strictly rational way to assign something the value of “Good” or “Bad”. One must always drill down to an arbitrary, irrational belief based assignment when assigning those values. Note the word “religious” in the first sentence. Nishizono seems to have a unique problem with values derived from religion, despite the fact that religious values are just as rooted in pure reason as those that come from any other values (that is, not at all). There’s nothing wrong with values rooted in religion, and some of my values clearly come from my faith. I just can’t prove any values to be rational because at some point they all require faith (not necessarily religion).
The ‘homosexuality is “bad”‘ complaint is a fun one to analyze. The current debate over homosexuality mostly involves two debates, the practical matter of the effect on military posture of allowing open homosexuality in the ranks and the practical matter of the effect of redefining the legal status of marriage and the proper application of the government benefits normally associated with that status. None of those directly attempt to pass a value judgment on homosexuality itself. Yet rather than debate those topics which have been covered here extensively, she resorts to a simplistic argument.
Fundamentally, American society must decide values judgments by allowing all people to have their say in the debate. The majority voice of all the American people will constantly evaluate those values judgments, and as such steer the political parties.
This has got to be one very fat troll.
FITNA on LL was a drop in a coming torrent of blinder-removing, illuminating truths of a stoneage cult that insist on mindlessness (see Nobel Prize list of muslim hard-science winners), genocide, and a world-wide muslim theocracy. Death of all Jews is the central plank to the muslim platform, followed with submission by, or death of, lesser infidels like my Christian self. The Lord does Love The Truth, and It is not to be found in the hate-rag worshipped by islam. Islam is fascist in all its facets, is incompatible with democracy and individual freedom, and is an enemy to America. Islam foments division, hate, fear, mistrust, rage, slavery, death, and war, even amongst their own. Muslims are the Jonestown crowd on steroids. What have they ever done for the Western world that should inspire my trust in anything a muslim says or does? I saw my first walking black tent in Home Depot in my small town a few weeks back; my shopping ended immediately, I abandoned my buggy and left with enthusiasm. My living will calls for a Jewish doctor and a Catholic hospital; I am not to be touched by a muslim, and one best damned not be working in the pharmacy. Islam is evil; that is my information and belief.
I mean, just think: there are starving trolls in China. Why overfeed this one?
Gays have fewer rights? If we gave to them the “right” to get “married”–which some of us regard as a sacrament, and therefore not within the purview of government–they would still make the distinction that their marriage was “same-sex,” and therefore different. They want to have it both ways, nishi. They want it to be identical, but at the same time different. Different for them; identical (by social and legal compulsion) for others.
Meanwhile, they are a protected class of citizen, in terms of hate-crime legislation. And they are treated in most areas of the academy and in the MSM with extraordinary deference, by and large.
I don’t understand how your views on the issue of homosexuality and homophobia square at all with your enthusiasm for Islam. Or is your Islam the same sort of thing as the lefties’ view of communism: something that would be superior, if only it were properly instituted?
…maybe even 800.*
Thanks Darleen, I never comment here but she ticked me off. And thankfully Civilis’s comment says exactly what I wanted to say except 100% better.
Trying to pass laws/overturn court decisions is not the same as imposing religion on people through the government.
samesex marriage is illegal…therefore homosexuality is bad.
gays are sub-citizens.
they have less rights.
GW wanted to ammend the constitution to say teh gay is bad. (the marriage act)
fortunately it was too hard.
Wow, Nishizono further illustrates my point perfectly. She has made the values judgment that homosexual marriage is a right, and therefore anyone who disagrees with her is irrational and therefore wrong. She has no source for establishing this right, can’t elucidate what this right to marriage would consist of, and can’t understand why anyone would disagree with this “right” other than outward hating of homosexuality. The fact that the amendment to define marriage would serve mainly to resolve a particular quirk of government law regarding jurisdictional effects of government decisions rather than pass judgment on homosexuals is beside the point…
Likewise, her “Freedom of Government From Religion” line further illustrates my point. Christians can’t have a say in government because they can’t separate religious values from their belief system. She has admitted being religious (Sufi). Yet she insists that somehow her religious values don’t render her unable to participate in government. Her decisions are rational, and others are not. If she really is a Sufi and really believes what she says about freedom from religion, she would not participate in political discussions. We should do her a favor, and help her respect her beliefs by ignoring her.
It’s not my place to ban you, nishi. You needn’t subject yourself to anything you don’t want to. There are many sites that I visit seldom, or never, because I find what’s expressed there so repulsive.
You may wish to revisit your premises about who’s changed. There are a lot of commenters here who’ve been here since before you. They probably are of the opinion that the views expressed here are largely congruent with those expressed by Jeff. The odds are, the train is moving rather than the platform.
Please, now that she’s suffering: I implore you not to do it. She’s got to learn self-restraint, and evidently it’s got to be the hard way.
nishi
I dare you to find any marriage statute that demands the applicants to for a marriage license declare their sexual orientation.
The law defines who is eligible to apply for a marriage license by age, family relationship, number and sex. It says nothing about love or orientation.
So a gay man and a straight man have equal “right” to get married.
lease, now that she’s suffering: I implore you not to do it. She’s got to learn self-restraint, and evidently it’s got to be the hard way.
Slartibartfest is right. Besides, a ban would be nothing more than another feather in her cap.
Regardless, if only Nishi’s four main points could merely be put in the sidebar – you know, those nearly identical comments she makes in each thread – perhaps she wouldn’t threadjack so much?
this site has devolved to cowardly racist homophobic twodigits
This comment was as predictable as the one about how theocons are trying to ban all ESCR, homosexuality, and whatever other drivel spews forth.
please ban me.
this is unbearable.
Because, you know, we are forcing you to spend hours here.
Funny how the not passing same sex marriage is fundamentally worse than stoning homosexuals to death. Introspection is not your forte.
But, JD (twp), THOSE AREN’T TRUE MUSLIMS.
Duh.
And, in that vein, I will link my favorite Beautiful Atrocities post eva! Apparently, Jeff’s let his blog go dark, but this other blog has the post in it’s entirety.
All faiths take on, in large part, the character of their founders. At the least, the character of their founding generation. Thus, while Christianity has had its rough periods and Christians have strayed far from the tenets of their faith, at its base, it’s the faith of the “Prince of Peace” who willingly surrendered himself to redeem his persecutors.
That’s the essential flaw in Islam — it’s a faith founded by murdering, raping, enslaving barbarians. It was cobbled together from a mish-mash of poorly understood Christianity and Judaism, with a smear of Arabian paganism, in order to give a bandit chief totalitarian control over his troops. After Mohammed’s death, the next generation carried on the “tradition” — spreading the faith by the sword, claiming there’s no coercion in religion but making the lives of those who haven’t submitted so unpleasant as to drive them to convert.
Proclamations that “Islam means peace” stand in stark contrast to their reverence of Mohammed as “the perfect man” and that the essential declaration of their faith includes him alongside Allah. There’s a good reason the politically incorrect name for Muslims was “Mohammedans” — the level of reverence they have for him — and his acts — is part of the essential problem with the faith.
Eu contrare, mon frare, Carin. Those are no jihadis stoning homosexuals to death.
The idea that the nishidiot is really scared of theconz, yet claims to be a Muslim, where the religion is the governing principle in government, is striking. Also that her professed religion would stone homosexuals, ban abortions, and is about 200 years away from getting anywhere near ESCR is irony richer that a triple dark chocolate German Chocolate cake.
America has many “tribes”, to use a stoneage comparison. There are fifty recognized “tribes” represented by stars on the American flag, each with their own “tribal” laws and customs. There are other “tribes”, that are REAL tribes, that one can find geographically delineated on any decent map of America. Then there are several “protectorate tribes” that are also Americans. You can move from one of the “starred” tribe to another at will, if your probation officer gives you permission. Some of the other “tribes” in America, you have to be born into. If you are one of the millions of humanity on American soil without our permission, uninvited and undesignated “tribal” guests if you will, you can do as you damn well please; all the power and resources of the American “tribes” is available to protect your “right” to abuse and
steal from the local citizenry. America has many “sub-tribes” spread across all of the “tribes”, sorted by color, nationality, language, personal behaviour choice, political party, special agenda group, professional organization, religious affiliation, and so on. Then there are the really “sub-American tribes” like the gang bangers, radical activists, anarchists, doomsday worshippers and other such cultish destoyers of rational thought and thoughtful actions. Americans are not really fond of the “sub-American” groups, and She frequently removes them from Her society, or even assists them in incinerating themselves, whether it’s in Texas or Iraq. We Americans don’t mind cleaning up the mess after cult groups go board the alien spaceship hidden in the comet’s tail and other such insanities, but we strongly object to any injury to children and other non-combatant persons. Only one global “tribe” is assaulting the democracies of the Western world, pushing back individual freedom in submission to its “divine imperative”. Only one “tribe” uses random acts of violence in heavily populated areas around the world to create a bubble of evil, which it justifies as “a tenet of their faith”. Only one “tribe” calls for the death and submission of so many other “tribes” around the world. Only one “tribe” uses the tolerance of Americans to tolerate and enjoy so many “tribes”, to destroy ALL the other “tribes”: there shall be no “tribe” but islam (roflmao). There is only one “tribe” that should be abandoned by its followers, outlawed by American “tribes”, and become an outcast dying in the desert from which it came. So, if you are a gay man, or couple, there are many of the “tribes” in America in which you can live quite happily with tolerant neighbors who will become good friends; islam is just not one of those “tribes”, but you are welcome in all of the “tribes” to which I belong. Islam is lame; reject it.
Islam is a lot a Saudi cat’s paw I think. For real a lot I think the Saudis are the problem more than Islam per se. I really do. The Saudis are a depraved people, but lots and lots of Muslims are very nice.
Islam is as Islam does. Erudite (or sophomoric truncated SMS speak based) theological disputation proves little in the face of suicide vests, internecine killing, honor killings, female genital mutilation, beheadings and so on ad infinitum. That Wilders’ film (a low-production bore as recognized by our profoundly intellectual elitist and preeminent film critic) is so worthy of attention and vitriol belies these apologists as Dorian Grays.
Nishibaka has a stellar brain, it’s just running an OS that doesn’t play well on the network. I keep trying to install a root kit but whomever set up the OS firewalled the entire I/O system. Take her commentary on Che for example. Were her OS capable of playing well on the network she might have pointed out that Che’s image has become an archetype that can be appropriated to mean just about anything. This is much the same point that Henry Jenkins (MIT Media Studies Prof) makes about cult movies in his book “Convergence Culture”. (The point basically being that cult films are not necessarily good cinema, they just employ archetypes that can be co-opted by anyone for whatever purpose: the black knight anyone?) Instead, she managed to suggest that, y’know, Che’s not all that bad. I don’t think that’s what she meant and that the conversation descended into that is evidence of her wonky OS. Which is too bad, because I think the point as I described it is interesting and worthy of discussion. As it stood, it was just Nishibaka being baka.
Really? I figure it’s because she’s a malignant narcissist.
Doesn’t nishithingymagiggycuntilite know that Obama believes that marriage is between a mam and a woman?
nishiti, the Defense of Marriage act was signed by America’s first black president for a reason.
*man*
The idea that the nishidiot is really scared of theconz, yet claims to be a Muslim.
She claims to be a Muslim because it makes Daddy yell and Grandma cry at holiday dinners.
As I said before, she needs therapy, not attention.
Nishi, you make a tremendous contribution to this blog. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Do you reprint the same material in each issue?
GW wanted to ammend the constitution to say teh gay is bad. (the marriage act)
A substantial majority of Americans are against gay marriage now, not just GW and theocons, how can you dishonestly keep ignoring that point?
This is really important, this part. Would LiveLeak have been so pusillanimous if the movie had been effective and cogent and valuable? I think that’s a question that should be answered really fast. My feeling is that sometimes it takes a Spielberg, but he has never been a brave man. But for real the test will be when some non-fringey person not named Geert or whatever takes a bite at the apple I think. There’s plenty of material to work with and lots of stories to tell what aren’t being told.
What I’m having trouble expressing is a sort of undercurrent I see where even fellow Geert travelers a lot embrace and revel in the verbotenness of what it is they want to communicate. It’s kind of puerile in a way, or at least it strikes me that way. You should never I don’t think LiveLeak something without first documenting that Harvey Weinstein or HBO or Lions Gate et al were offered a chance and passed. This is how success would eventually have a certain piquancy I think.
But I could articulate this better I think.
re; embracing and reveling – Yes, a lot of it is vicarious Steve Irwin crocodile wrestling.
Except that implies crocodiles don’t need to be wrestled ever. If it’s got your poodle, maybe they have it coming.
Good point. My thoughts are kind of a mess. I think I will take a vacation soon.
Dang it, I am having a bad day with tenses and apostrophes and inhaled attic dust.
I’ve just added a footnote to the post quoted above, which may clarify the problem I imply in the closing paragraph.
http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2008/03/umbrage-and-flu.html
‘feets, the answer to your question is no. LiveLeak’s concern is not editorial, but for dead employees.
What — she’s running Vista?
Oh. But then nishi is right. They shouldn’t have taken this on only to hand the extremists a victory. That makes things worse.
Oh. But then nishi is right. They shouldn’t have taken this on only to hand the extremists a victory. That makes things worse.
Does it? Some people have seen it that wouldn’t have.
Was it not a victory when the NYT, CNN, WaPo, etc wouldn’t publish the Mohammed cartoons?
How? Wilders made his point — violence, for many Muslims, is the first resort. The film was out there long enough to spread; that one of the distribution channels has backed off due to threats makes the film enough of a “forbidden fruit” that more people will look at it.
Oh. I guess my argument is a lot predicated on this really not being a particularly effective film to start with. That’s where I started, at #80 with Mr. Thompson’s take on it. You’re absolutely right, if it had been must-see tv or whatever, then I think LiveLeak could be looked at as more as having done their little part. But I think they’re setting the bar a little too low by deeming this little slideshow thinger to hot to handle.
Actually I thought the point was more that violent extremism is inherent in the Koran, and I don’t think Geert really sells that idea very well.
The victory LiveLeak is handing out is not in just pulling the video, but in setting the pull-the-video bar too low is what I mean.
#81 I mean
But even if it’s bad, people saw it and were able to make the decision for themselves. I’m not interested in seeing it, but I’m interested that it was pulled.
It isn’t like the Mohammed cartoons were especially clever either.
That’s kind of what I mean about embracing and reveling in the verbotenness… making the film forbidden fruit, being that it is the film it is, playing into it’s cultural naughtiness, seems counterproductive to me. It just ain’t that naughty.
It’s less I think about people seeing it than about a discernment about where Fitna lies with respect to mainstream and serious conversation. Geert seemed almost too eager for his work to be adjudged as being beyond the pale. But it’s not, so playing into that lacks a certain integrity I think.
Fitna is not particularly effective, but nor should it be particularly controversial either I don’t think.
Like the cartoons.
Fitna is not particularly effective, but nor should it be particularly controversial either I don’t think.
I think that’s true.
I just really disagree with the idea that Liveleak did something ridiculous by putting it out there and then pulling it. I mean, what was the perfect thing to have happened?
Yeah. I know that’s what you figure. I understand completely. I don’t mean to feed her anything but brickbats. I’m just trying to administer them in bite-sized chunks.
For me, that’s one of the most telling things. Remember the “South Park” episode that was going to show Mohammed? The verboten image was of Mohammed delivering a pizza; nothing particularly offensive about it. Meanwhile, they had Christ crapping on an American flag.
Now, I wouldn’t put it past Parker and Stone to have “censored” themselves, in order to make their point — that the things we’re self-censoring in deference to the Islamists are nothing compared to what we say to offend each other. And if Wilders appears to be reveling in breaking the boundaries, and, well, it really isn’t, then maybe playing the same game.
Of course, I could be giving him too much credit. But I dunno — maybe the let-down (“That’s it?! That’s what the fuss was about?!”) is part of the message.
I think it may be my own quixotic delusion that’s getting in the way here, but for real I believe strongly that America has a duty in a wired age to host these sorts of conversations for pitiful little societies like Europe and the UK what are very very challenged with respect to having honest discussions about how egregiously effed up they are as polities and a lot as people. Feeding into the idea even a little that “sensitivity” is somehow paramount is a betrayal of who we are I think. The self-evident truthyness of happy and lively liberty and all that. LiveLeak is a lot a stupid dhimmi Brit media thinger is all I think, and I don’t think we should defend their obeisance, specially in light of how really really screwed the U.K. is, which Dan also wrote about today.
MayBee, this not being the first time such a response by Islamists has occurred they should have been able to anticipate it and make a firm decision in the beginning whether they would host it or not – and now be cowed by the reaction. What they’ve done is to provide yet another lesson that if you threaten violence you’ll get what you want.
Still, nishi’s “poke the snake” analogy displays a moral vacuousness. The reaction of the snake is uncalculating, reflexive, amoral. Not so with the Islamists. They are thinking, feeling humans who respond to incentives and are capable of weighing the consequences of their actions. To assert otherwise is to remove from them the responsibility for their own actions.
What they’ve done is to provide yet another lesson that if you threaten violence you’ll get what you want.
That’s true. But I’m also saying that there’s good evidence there are plenty of people that are unwilling to even pick up a stick to poke the snake that’s sitting on their doorstep. They’ll just keep the door closed and not tell anyone else it’s there.
So is that a better position to take? I don’t think so.
Mike says it all way better than me. That said, I think it’s a really really fine point we’re arguing here in the scheme of things.
These things are a lot less for real issues than what are contemplated in Barackybama’s America I think.
And that’s one reason we’re in the situation we’re in today. The Islamists have been rewarded for their bad behavior many, many times. They continue to do it because it works and they will continue to do it as long as it does. At some point, they have to be confronted and the longer that confrontation is delayed the worse it is going to be.
This is what I’m disagreeing with, that I think happy agreed with:
nishi: liveleak should NEVER have posted that in the first place.
wat did they think would happen?
in fact, if they had any guts…..they shud put it back up.
wat do u guys think?
So you see, nishi’s answer would be that we would never hear about it in the first place. Not just this bad Geert movie, but any of the things that might end up getting pulled.
In Barack Obama’s America, this would all just be filed away under The Politics of Fear.
Well. It’s just that I first heard about it when Network Solutions backed off on running it. That’s when LiveLeak heard about it too I would guess. I still think they send a bad message by pulling it, and that’s more important in this case cause the film is sorta not all that great anyway. You gotta wonder if LiveLeak received any legal advice from the British government too I think.
I think Network Solutions deserves even more scorn than LiveLeak, cause they are shitty Americans I think. You sorta expect this sort of thing from Brits.
I think Network Solutions deserves even more scorn than LiveLeak, cause they are shitty Americans I think.
But they are in good company. People like nishi think it is better just never to open that can of worms. So do the NYT and the WaPo. And in the name of criticizing those that get scared halfway through, we encourage them to join the list of those that will just never even start.
Which, you are right, is a small point. But maybe not, because I think that’s what Barack’s America will be like.
I think we agree, I’d tip over more to your thinking I think if this had been a film that was compelling and really an important addition to the discussion and just getting it out there to go viral was a huge service. As it is I’m just maybe more struck by the faux-controversiality of it all. I’m not 100% sure that my point of view is entirely logically coherent.
A lot of the way I look at the film though I should say is that it’s not particularly compelling on this side of the Atlantic. For the Dutch, it’s really a lot something they should see. The Dutch need help.
I was away much of the week, but the only time I heard the film discussed was on NPR, when I was told it was made by a far right-wing politician.
Oh. I missed that. I’m sick to death of NPR, but it’s the only way I know what the approved narrative is, so I’m not sure how to replace it.
Unfortunately, we are where we are – thanks in no small part to the cowardice-defined-as-tolerance of the likes of the NYT, WaPo, etc. Now each time someone backs down in the face of threats it encourages more threats. Is that better than pre-emptive surrender? Six of one, half-dozen of the other.
I really love NPR, despite its foibles. I’ll admit it is especially fun when Patt Morrison realizes she’s been conversing with a Republican.
BTW, I wasn’t really impressed by it. And it certainly wasn’t as provocative as I thought it would be.
Oh. You listen to the same one. I don’t hear Patt a lot cause she’s on when I’m at work. Kitty Felde’s voice a lot scratches my eyes out though. And Larry Mantle is like a parody of dull… him I can’t even listen to.
I like Sondra. Foibles and all. A lot cause she was friends with Cathy Seipp though.
Well, yeah. It’s another place where the Left could make constructive criticism, but are so concerned that everything be tied up in a nice neat Marxist class-struggle bundle that they take perfectly reasonable observations and go in unproductive directions.
This whole mess is basically a Saudi civil war, with overtones of usurpation, between the Western-oriented sons of Abdulaziz ibn Saud and their challengers. It’s just that Saudi Arabia has such a small population that they can’t have a good civil war without outsourcing. On the other hand, they have lots of money to hire contractors.
Regards,
Ric
Foibles are good. Any red-blooded American male would say so.
(“Foibles” is a euphemism, right?)
Exactly. Baracky should take the same tone about reaching out to reformers in Saudi Arabia as he does about reaching out to Ahmadinejad. But he doesn’t understand I don’t think or he wouldn’t be so eager to betray Iraq.
Sondra is a lefty, but a lot like my liberal friends and not like parasitic propaganda whores like Kitty and Patt. They’re really just base, those two.
Sandra from the Loh Life? Or another Sondra? I can’t think of who Sondra is.
Patt’s Comedy Congress should be a crime, but it won an award.
A Brit, an American and a Saudi are asked if sex should be considered fun or work.
The Brit says, “Oh definitely its bit like work, isn’t it.”
The American quickly pipes up, “Fun of course. Stupid question.”
The Saudi looks troubled by the question and takes quite a lot of time to present an answer. Finally, he mutters, “It must be fun. If it were work, I’d hire a Somali to do it.”
Yes – the Loh Life Sondra. I like her. I remember I was listening that day when on the other station she did her F-bomb thing that got her kicked over to the station she’s on now.
Oh and hah. I like that.
Ha!
I mean, shame on you, RTO.
Ric:
This whole mess is basically a Saudi civil war, with overtones of usurpation, between the Western-oriented sons of Abdulaziz ibn Saud and their challengers. It’s just that Saudi Arabia has such a small population that they can’t have a good civil war without outsourcing. On the other hand, they have lots of money to hire contractors.
Could you expand on that, Ric. I have, of course, read that Saudi Arabia wrestles with Islamism as much as, or more than, other countries–but in what way is this a “Saudi civil war”?
People like nishi think it is better just never to open that can of worms.
wow that is utterbullshhit.
i said the cartoons should be published everywhere.
i just think it is pretty craven to pull fitna when they knew exactly wat theyd get…death threats.
IMHO liveleak are traitors to free speech.
and maybee is right about one thing and one thing only..fitna went viral immediately.
so logically the hirgabi could never have issued enough death threats to suppress it.
liveleak were cowardly dopes.
pussies.
they could been noble and brave.
instead they’re just more snakepokers whinin about gettin bit.
treason in the memewars, to cave like that and hand the bad guys a memetic victory.
we deserve to lose.
You said:
Liveleak should NEVER have posted that in the first place.
So, you have to reconcile that with the idea that you think they are traitors to free speech.
i said the cartoons should be published everywhere.
You did?
Anyway, they weren’t prepared to deal with the consequences, so they didn’t do it. And you disagree with that now?
maybee cut out the weasel words and just admit im right.
if Liveleak wasnt prepared to take the deaththreats and leave the viddie up, they SHOULD NEVER HAVE PUT IT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE.
they should have let someone else do it.
some one with the stones to leave it up.
Liveleak caved in and handed the memetic terrorists a victory.
Maybee, I strongly suggest that any future reponses to the TTP be simply “I’m not your Daddy” (or Mommy, as the case may be).
Interesting that speech is now “poking with a stick” and that Muslims are now little more than animals.
And keep in mind — that assessment comes from a self-proclaimed Muslim.
Point of order: LiveLeak did not post Fitna. They offer a service on which it was posted by another party, Wilders, I believe. They allowed it to remain for a time until the repercussions outweighed the value to them, something You Tube didn’t do.
There’s another old saw about snakes which advises you to cut the heads off of them.
#137 Rob,
Your point is well taken.
Perhaps, instead of expending your energies here trying to piss people off, you should be busy explaining Islam to these memetic terrorists. You might be something more than useless in that endeavor, though I’d be disinclined to take odds on it.
they should have let someone else do it.
Is there something stopping someone else?
I don’t know how blocking someone from putting something up in the first place (NYTs with the cartoons, for example) is not a victory.
The problem is the death threats, and the people giving them and meaning it.
” that assessment comes from a self-proclaimed Muslim.”
And I’m a butterfly. Really, I’m a fucking butterfly. mohammed wouldn’t consider the TTP a muslim. Neither would the caliphs of old. But, hell if the ttp wants to call itself a muslim, then who’s to stop it. But, you know what? I’m glad it’s not really a true mohammedan muslim. That’s good for us. As it is, it’s a rash a opposed to a “real” danger. I’ll take it! Muslims are just fine, it’s the whole Islam thing, that’s the issue.
Whatever happened to tracking and prosecuting such things?
Australia got real gay real fast.
WTF is the Australian government doing weighing in on 15 minutes of film?
I’m also thinking that with the TTP’s long experience with Islam, its denigration of the output of Robert Spencer, Hirsan Ali and Wafa Sultan is as worthless as the rest of the stuff it spews here. I call bullshit.
WTF is the Australian government doing weighing in on 15 minutes of film?
I’m sure they aren’t saying: “there is no way anyone in this country will host the thing, offensive as it may be, because of the death threats.” I mean, Australia doesn’t want to be a traitor to free speech or anything.
Ironically, this quote is from an emetic errorist.
ok.
i accept it.
if the moties that have taken over this site can actually rationalize and equivocate that pullin Fitna was the right thing to do….then i give up.
good luck Jeff.
i think the PW brand is kinda corrupted, but thats just me.
good journey.
Don’t let the door………………….etc,etc.
So now a quitter-griefer? Or quiefer?
I’d ask who said it was a good thing, but that would spoil the fun.
So, nishi’s taking her unjustified sense of intellectual entitlement elsewhere? Forgive me if I’m skeptical; more likely, she’s switching from ballyhoo to mullet. Or, possibly: switching to deep jigging just to land the next meal.
I want to know how she is going to get that swelled head through the doorway.
if the moties that have taken over this site
What’s interesting to me, nishi, is when you were a guest blogger here (something of which you remind us with some frequency), you felt that the pope saying something unflattering about Islam was him poking the snake (and thus he was responsible for the death of a woman killed by anti-pope protesters). I’m not sure anyone agreed with you.
This was apparently pre-motie infestation of this blog.
Maybee, she said the same thing at Dean’s world. I invited her to sit and spin on a nail-studded bat then. She was so scared by my violent speech that I eventually apologized. She really hasn’t been back to Dean’s site since.
I don’t get what the ‘tard has against Moties.
If history is any guide, she’s going to another thread, not another blog.
I invited her to sit and spin on a nail-studded bat then.
no, actully you said:
“Matoko, how about you go f*ck yourself up the ass sideways with a nail-studded bat spinning at high r.p.m.s?”
my search-fu, you know.
yup, nice comment community here guyz.
racists, homophobes, theocons, twodigits and Mikey NTH.
not really the same Protein Wisdom to me anymore.
Indian quiefer
Here you go, nishi.
Now you can go back to talking about what a stupid, crude, boring, time wasting piece it is.
Jealous, much.
Oh, look, the moron’s already gone back on its promise to go away.
It is interesting how it can’t manage to disagree without insulting people. And how its insults are more projection than any justified accusations against the other commenters’.
racists, homophobes, theocons, twodigits and Mikey NTH.
LIAR. Just thought I would point that out. I know it is unncessary when addressing the nishidiot, but I feel compelled to point it out when people tell bald faced lies.
it is good that Liveleak did the right thing.
it doesnt wipe out that they caved in the first place.
the terrorists still learned a reward based behavior.
in the study of learning and behavioral theory it can take up to 10,000 repititions to unlearn a reward-based behavior.
so quite a few exemplars will now have to stand up to the terrorists to reprogram the behavior/reward pattern Liveleak cravenly taught them.
it doesnt matter maybee.
there is nothing i can learn here except hatred, prejudice and ignorance.
i cant make PW back into what it was.
and mebbe Dan is right…..it was only that way in my head.
the comment community here has endorsed the same values all along.
i think i’ll go with the Prophet on this one.
“Speak something that will benefit yourself & others. Otherwise, keep silent. You will be responsible for every word you say.”
Me, I’m just left wondering when nishi’s self-touted huge brain is going to somehow evidence itself in quality, eloquence, or form of argument. Or evidence itself in any way at all, come to think of it. Up until now, it’s as faith-based as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Come on, nishi. Touch us with your noodly appendage.
Thanks for the exact quote, I couldn’t remember exactly what I typed. The contempt though, I still have it for you because you have not grown up one little bit since blamed that speech for that nun’s death, thoroughly removing responsibility from her killers, dehumanizing them. You were a fraud then nishi and you are a fraud now, no matter what you may call yourself on-line.
By the way, I thought you were going? Or was that just another fraud?
This all seems kind of melodramatic I think. Hey! Bon Jovi is at the Pepsi Center in Denver tonight. I never really liked them a lot though.
Also, Denver is very far.
feets Bon Jovi is not my style….but i have tickets for MCR on the 14th.
oh and i apologize for greifing on you guyz.
im just really kinda bitter about the way the theocon moties have taken over my grandfathers party.
i shud be more accepting….it is evolution in action i guess.
see? you all agree that I deserve wat Mikey said.
that kinda creeps me out cuz there wud be a lot of blood and pain, kinda like a saw movie but with nailstudded bats, but w/e.
the terrorists still learned a reward based behavior.
I’m simply proposing that they already had this particular behavior down pat. They’ve certainly demonstrated it amply in the past.
Now, if someone is killed in an anti-Fitna protest or if Wilder is killed– who will be at fault? Did Wilder poke the snake, like the pope?
– I read somewhere awhile back that world wide the average Muslim education is somewhere around 3rd or 4th grade by Western standards. So combine that level of social training with 6 or 7 year olds with weapons, and the Koran, writen by a guy on Opiates or some such, and you have the perfect religion for Bin Ladens purposes. No further explaination is necessary.
theocon moties have taken over my grandfathers party
Thought it was your party, and your father’s party.
there is nothing i can learn here except hatred, prejudice and ignorance.
You could try to learn how to argue without lying.
I’m holding out for the Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam reunion tour I think. Lisa says apology not accepted add me to the broken hearts you’ve collected. But I think that’s kind of melodramatic too. I accept your apology. Theocons sometimes irk me too but I just can’t stay mad. And the radical Islamists are worser cause of all the exploding.
So nishi’s below the average?
– I no longer pay any attention to nishi. She quite beyond redemption, either religious or civil.
English isn’t your first language, is it? Probably not even second, I’m guessing.
Snakes are a bad analogy for jihadists. I think roaches or termites is more fitting.
Here’s what you do. Put a statue of Mohammed fucking a goat on a remote island, photograph it and post it on the web. The roaches will come out. Blow them up then.
Of course she forgets that I apologized in the same thread at Dean’s World. Can’t let that hamper her victim status. But I still hold her in contempt for the apologia she gave for two men who sought out and shot an old woman in the back.
I have a nasty temper and my comment reflected it – it is also over fast as my apology to nishi-matoko-whomever-you-are reflected. But nmwya is just evil as her capologia for the two murderers and her comments regarding aid to Africa represent. And so I maintain my contempt for nmwya.
– “Put a statue of Mohammed fucking a goat on a remote island”
– A Ram fucking Mohammed would be more accurate, and bring out the roaches even faster. Accurately depicting their murderous theology always gets their goat.
A Ram fucking Mohammed would be more accurate
My two-digit was showing, BBH. Thanks for the correction.
deb frisch apol’d too.
i see ur “apolo” carries exactly the same gravitas.
deb frisch apol’d too.
i see ur “apolo†carries exactly the same gravitas.
Haven’t you left yet? I thought you had already stomped your little feet and stormed out in a huff.
How can we miss you if you won’t go away?
My two-digit was showing, BBH
Dang it. I missed it.
If you leave me, can I come too?
You’ve left me scribeless, MayBee
– “My two-digit was showing, BBH”
– You got a license for displaying that thing al?
– You got a license for displaying that thing al?
It displayed itself, I have no control.
Maybee, she said the same thing at Dean’s world. I invited her to sit and spin on a nail-studded bat then. She was so scared by my violent speech that I eventually apologized. She really hasn’t been back to Dean’s site since.
you can consider me scared off by mikey.
sry..it really creeps me out that someone would threaten me with blood and pain on a blog for cripes sake.
guess im just a whimpy grrl after all.
sry..it really creeps me out that someone would threaten me with blood and pain
Then you are in a special position to relate to LiveLeak.
– nishi, its just more evidence of your pedantic self-involved Me-ism that you would whine that anybody would even give your opinionated self the time of day, let alone bother harming you.
– Do yourself a favor and give it a rest. There are no Or-o-gone morons on PW, so stop making a total fool of yourself.
I don’t think Mikey would really hurt you, ever. Ever, ever. In fact I think if someone for real wanted to hurt you he would probably a lot defend you even at personal risk to himself. That’s a lot my sense of his character anyway. I know I sure would. And Dan and thor and al and MayBee and a lot of others too I think probably. My feeling is that maybe you’re reading too much into the sit and spin thing.
I think she’s just been dramatic, Happy. I mean, if I told her to take a flying fuck at the moon – would that frighten her as well? I may mean it as strongly as Mikey did with his sit and spin comment – but both are just colorful ways of telling someone to F-off.
And, you would think someone with such a high IQ would know that.
Then you are in a special position to relate to LiveLeak.
not really maybee.
Liveleak should have expected deaththreats and been prepared to stand their ground.
i never expected someone wud wish me physical harm for commentin on a blog.
and now on 2 blogs.
“would that frighten her as well?”
Well, any sane, highly intelligent person would be frightened at the prospect of unprotected sex on or near the moon. The vacuum exposure alone would be enough to cause bloody and painful death.
So, run AWAY!
Me? Hurt nish-matoko-whomever-you-are? In all the years since that Dean’s World post* I have not come after you, followed you threatened you. Please, you rate yourself far, far too high. You aren’t worth that level of hate, just contempt.
Me hurt you? It is too laugh. But keep on working on those victim creds nmwya; I know you can reach that if you really try. and you knows – you maybe able to rise to crossing sweep afterwards.
*IYWR, the suggestion was for you to do that to yourself, not for me or anyone else to do it. Consider it an elaborate ‘Go Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo yourself’.
– I think its best to refer to the troll handbook chapter on TTP’s, and assume its the usual attention getting ploy.
And Carin states the bloody obvious to Ms. Genius-level IQ. I swear, there are times I feel like Blackadder dealing with Baldrick and Percy.
Oh for sure Carin, but she’ll link to this later, so thems people what click should know that nishi is and has been safe and protected and that we feed her well and keep her warm and are very very patient. I think she’s neat, but some days are better than others is all.
well…the thing u dont know is that i was stalked in grad school by another guy in my department.
praps it makes me oversensitive to threat.
which is a survival basic after all.
i wont ever have a myspace or a facebook.
an now i think commenting is out too.
– So then what you’re saying feets is shes just having a bad IQ day?
– Well be that as it may we’ve done 25 or so comments on her faux paranoia, so hopefully that will boost her self esteem enough she will now STFU already.
History* got it half right, I see.
well…the thing u dont know is that i was stalked in grad school by another guy in my department.
praps it makes me oversensitive to threat.
which is a survival basic after all.
i wont ever have a myspace or a facebook.
an now i think commenting is out too.
Dear God, where is the Cone of Silence when you really, really, REALLY need it?
What nishi? You aren’t going to be a first amendment hero?
You’ve spent this whole thread criticizing LiveLeak for getting nervous about real threats, and now you are freaking yourself out over something that happened several years ago?
“Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/31 @ 11:17 am #”
You’re still here? So much for scaring the willies out of you.
Boo!
nishidiot wants to believe that she is being physically threatened because of her comments, which it is readily apparent that she was not. No amount of facts will dissuade her.
I think nishi needs a balloon fence. To keep her safe.
Her google-fu isn’t that good McGehee. I told her where to look and on what topic and gave the gist of my comment. I didn’t deny it at all. I admit it was intemperate, but I don’t deny I typed it.
I can be the blue canary in the outlet by the light switch if it helps.
– Balloon fences…Damn….we haven’t heard from the balloon fences since what….actus dork?
i wont ever have a myspace or a facebook.
an now i think commenting is out too.
Somebody needs a hug.
an now i think commenting is out too.
I agree. It’s just too risky for you to take that chance. Don’t be a hero, nishi!
She needs to use Yahoo to find Google.com
Y’know, for as often as he comes to her rescue, I’m really starting to think that nishi is happyfootses sock-puppet….
COWARD!!! IF YOU WEREN’T PREPARED TO TAKE THE HEAT, YOU NEVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ON THE INTERNET IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! YOU RAN AWAY YOU FUCKING PUSSY!!!
Look familiar?
Mikey,
Are nishi and matoko one and the same? Makes sense in retrospect, and unsurprising. As I recall, even Dean got sick of her shit and told her to get lost.
cjd
I did not know for certain, but the attitude, the spelling, the positions on issues – everything was the same. So when I brought up that rather colorful yet intemperate remark of mine she immediately glommed on to it like a trout on a mayfly. If she wasn’t matoko she sure adopted it in a hurry, so now she is and I guess its up to her to disprove it.
I am just the one I swears, and nishi is different.
“I am just the one I swears, and nishi is different.”
You are unique and such, haps.
Happy’s just nicer than many of us ;)
which makes it extra hilarious when he’s not nice. ;p
happyfeet has the patience of Job, and takes a more Mennonite posture in his conflict resolution. Thus, his point is always made and his blood pressure remains manageable.
Except for during the soup diet, of course.
“happyfeet has the patience of Job, and takes a more Mennonite posture in his conflict resolution”
Yeah, feets is good like that, and God/Gaia/Hachem bless him. Me, not so much. Which is why I try to refrain from commenting too much. That, and I feel that by now I would have reverted to an all caps moment of my own WRT the nishi/matoko.
I’m heading back to the soup thing here pretty quick, but also my boss is letting me know when my vacation will be, so they might could coincide. But Instapundit says LiveLeak brought the video back… I think nishi’s stinging criticism had some effect. So there’s that then.
i got the message pablo.
its fine for mikey to say hateful things and scare me if it shuts me up.
terrorism in microcosm.
You are still here?
I’m going to need a cunning plan, a plan so cunning you could pin a tail to it and call it a weasel.
one more thing mikey.
dean told me u were an old guy in poor health and u had stopped commenting when i asked why he didnt ban u.
thats why i thot u werent around anymore.
but its fine.
i got the message.
i deserve that kind of comment.
ab solutely.
You handed him a victory, you coward! Why did you back down?!?!?!!!
Oh, and if that scared you, you’re retarded. But I digress.
All this was like years ago I thought. I haven’t totally been following the bouncing ball, but it doesn’t seem all when-nishi-met-Mikey really. Not all epic like that, you know? And he said he was sorry. Back when. But from what I gather it wasn’t actually a for real threatening thinger it was more like a here’s some few choice words kind of thinger. On the internet. And LiveLeak brought the video back. They didn’t cave after all. I applaud that. But now I’ll feel really really terrible if something happens to them.
i was frightened and i talked to dean about it.
mikey isnt sry…..he bragged about it.
Maybee, she said the same thing at Dean’s world. I invited her to sit and spin on a nail-studded bat then. She was so scared by my violent speech that I eventually apologized. She really hasn’t been back to Dean’s site since.
have u been stalked pablo?
it changes things.
give mikey props, im done here.
What if nishi was banned from using “I” or in her case “i” for the next 20 comments. That might just throw her into a whole different paradigm.
It’s just crazy enough not to work!
happy, you’re a bit of a nishi-whisperer. What do you think?
or “were” banned, if grammar counts.
I think, kind of. It seems like we’re going to sort of an odd place. I will think on this on my way home and also at Ralph’s.
Indeed. Any other reading indicates either mendacity or mental illness.
Yes. And I went ahead and boiled the bunny myself, because that’s how I roll.
nishi- If you just change your screen name (something not anime-related this time), stop linking to your picture, and write in full sentences like you used to, you could probably stay here and continue to make your points.
Um, if the same age as Dean is an ‘old guy’ then I guess I am old. And if ‘in poor health’ means I had a TIA a year ago then I am in poor health. But Dean knows who I am, so I doubt he described me as an ‘old guy in poor health’ with any seriousness on his part. And I was around for a lot before Dean changed his format and I now have to reregister. Dean’s World is one of those places I love because of the commenters and the nature of the posts. I really miss Steven Malcolm Anderson.
When Mike Hendrix at ‘Cold Fury’ lost his wife in an accident I let Dean know so he could express condolences, despite Mike H. and Dean disagreeing on things. I don’t look for fights, but I don’t back down far from one when right and wrong are placed face to face, and I try to see the good in people as I am not a ghoul.
But you nishi-matoko-whomever-you-are? You are not worthy of that much consideration, just disdain or contempt. You add nothing to any discussion except your overweening ego. And pride is a sin. Disabuse yourself of that and you may yet be fit for company; even the the company that is in La Maison De Armadillo.
(Especially since that exchange at Dean’s World happened a year before the TIA.)
MayBee, nishi has stated her intent very clearly. She’s a supertroll and a griefer, by her own description.
She could be a valuable contributor, but she’s not the least bit interested in that. She’s looking for attention through creating a nuisance. She doesn’t like having her tactics turned back on he so, vaya con Allah.
It did for me. I discovered I liked turning the tables on my stalker.
Turning the tables on trolls is kind of fun too…
MayBee, nishi has stated her intent very clearly. She’s a supertroll and a griefer, by her own description.
Oh, I know. She wants to be different by writing like a teenager. She wants to be Japanese. She wants to cause outrage. She wants to offend. She wants to be banned. She wants to be scared. Drama, drama, drama. Other than that, I find her interesting. Perhaps it is the parent in me that wants to engage the real her, rather than just give in and buy her the pony. You know?
I am just the one I swears, and nishi is different.
I believe you completely Happyfeet. You are way too clever and funny to post such a poor excuse for a sock-puppet.
What I figured on the way home was that nishi first started making quitting noises and stuff earlier, and then what she did was conflate racists and homophobes and theocons with the people who comment here, and people what comment here aren’t like that. Then later what she did was conflate her grad school stalker with Mikey. It’s a lot displacement I think. I think also she misses Jeff.
Oh wait. That last could just be me.
She’s a grown up now though. It’s on her to deal in the real world, which she could do if she cared to. She could be interesting, but she chooses to be annoying instead. I tend to disdain squandered potential.
Might be a mothering vs. fathering thing.
Don’t we all….
With people like that, I have to remind myself just how short life is (and getting more so by the minute). Then I simply decide that what they’re showing me is the real them, and move on.
If it’s about the pony, just say no, smack her, and send her to bed without dessert.
<ostentatiously loud skeptical noises>
Venutian,
Indeed. Stalk me and I’ll stalk you back. Of course, I’ve always been sort of a mirror in that what you give me is likely to be what you get from me. It’s the Obama in me, I guess.
Chronologically, McGehee. Chronologically.
– I think the “attention whore” comment twisted her scivies up through a hyper dimension. Now shes down to playing the poor waif set upon by every manner of big bad bully, with stalker overtones.
– The classic paranoid personality. nishi, if you hear any footsteps its the men in the white coats coming to take you back to the funny house.
– In the mean time what I see is the post that started it all is back up, and so therefore nolo contendre absolutum.
– and no, I don’t think nishi’s whining about cowardice had the slightest effect happy. Maybe a chorus of complaining emails did, but not a whiny poser TTP.
– IMHO, some 90+ comments concerning the hyper sensitivities of one very deluded troll, one that no one seems to really know a thing about, (now we have yet another name “Zono” to throw on the nick pile), seems a bit excessive, even for the troll thread trashing hall of fame.
– I tell you what nishi. I’m an IRCop (Internet Relay Chat Cop). If you can point me to one instance where someone with areadable addy, and a real nick, has stalked you in any way, I’ll be glad to put an ISP trace on him and give it to you so you can report him/her to the FBI. Stalking has now been made a felony in the continental US.
– Balls in your court hunny.
Thanks, lee. And MayBee, I think she adds a lot too. Sometimes indulging her quasi-threadjacking is unproductive, but not as often as I think a lot of people think. She is a lot more vibrant than she gets credit for, and she does engage in give and take… she doesn’t just entrench as a general rule anyway, and much of her thinking is nuanced and shifts a lot kaleidoscopically almost. And she adduces really neat and surprising things.
And she doesn’t preach climate change. I love that.
I miss her.
– Just the same feets, for all her “nuanced lovliness”, shes been given the opportunity to put up or…..whats the word I’m looking for here?
– Damn. Gurss I lack that old time nuanced, kaleidoscopically, adduced thingy.
– And yes, I do think shes a damn lot better than actus. But then that would fall under the category of faint praise indeed. At least if what I’ve been seeing the last few weeks is aany indication.
– Because you give her a thumbs up, I choose to offer her assistance rether than piling on. Well not that much piling, and trust me, its the best offer she’ll get for this year.
48 hour rule at least, ‘feets. I’m guessing you won’t be disappointed.
We’ll see if she pops up again. Hope so.
– and #260, which takes us to 100+. I made the offer. Lets see what happens.
I miss her.
SEE!!
You’re a riot Happyfeet!!
sorry, I can’t give a pass to someone that’s going to willfully distort people’s comments.
Honestly, she was kinda fun until she started merely repeating herself over and over again. Making the same (THEOCON!) comments in every thread.
And, for having such a high IQ, she was willfully unable to digest what others say.
See, does she distort, or does she simply refuse to understand? I suppose she isn’t, honestly, interested in what “two-digits” have to say.
I’m w/in a stone’s throw of her (self reported) IQ, but since I don’t put much stock into “IQ” that is irrelevant. I did find her condescension really irritating. Especially since we all probably people a lot brighter than her.
– “We’ll see if she pops up again. Hope so.”
– Of course feets. But then again, if she “pops” up too visibly we’ll have to revisit her “femineness” as well.
Oh. maggie, it seems like that started a lot with Ric and McGehee and AIDS and then it was Carin and Africa and just sort of culminated with Mikey. I may have missed some along the way. I thought, or I had thought it grew out of the whole “supergluing Wright to Obama” thing she didn’t like, and I thought she was going somewhere with that. Now I’m not real sure.
I don’t mind threadjacking per se, but if I’m going to not mind it, I expect to be entertained for my inconvenience. Nishi’s threadjacking mostly serves to entertain only her, and I guess you, ‘feet.
Usually more than twice in the same sentence. One cannot respond rationally to a comment that is not rational even within its own boundaries.
I would have phrased that differently: “disjointed” and “ludicrous” come to mind.
Does that make sense? Taking isolated sound bite thingies and inflating them into an all-obscuring representation of someone. That’s what I thought her point was.
Long before that.
– Well happy, even in that regard she needn’t have fretted. That side of the great wall of stupidness is so a-swoon with the Miracle of Obamamania, the guy could walk at on the stage at one of his orations, drop his pants and take a dump, and they’d all be rushing the stage fro a spoonful. Un-fking believable. Now you’re getting a first hand example of how freaks like Jim Jones happen.
– The moonies, they do loves their cult leaders.
maybe I don’t have any patience for that kind of thing. particularly the whole, “aren’t I cute?” bit with the l337 and evilness and insults. whatevs, she can come back and I’ll continue to not read her comments, except when others quote her.
That’s not a point, happy. That’s performance art.
If she wants to be a performance artist, let her try mime.
Oh. I could have be way off I guess. Maybe it was more a tonal change that I sort of tracked.
probably I’m just old, happyfeet. ;D
I wouldn’t disagree with the performance art take on it.
I think I contribute – from time to time – and I do not ask to be indulged on this level for my feelings when they are hurt. I do thank everyone who has stood by me though – your comment haps when you said I would protect nishi if she was actually attacked (based on your read of my character) – I especially appreciate. You are very perceptive Our happyfeet, I would do so.
Once upon a long time ago a probationer who had his probation revoked went to discuss that up close with the judge, the judge I worked for. The deputy grabbed the probationer and I dove in to assist. It became less drama as three Detroit Police Officers in court to testify on other matters came vaulting over the pews (if you ever saw the Frank Murphy then you would agree the seats are pews) to assist us. All became well again and I could resume my duties of research and writing.
Our deputy, though, was very happy that when I had said I had his back, I actually meant it when it counted. I too am happy, because I acted as a man would when innocents were threatened. I continue to hope that I will do the same if it comes again.
N-M-W-Y-A is safe from me; if she is near me and threatened, I will dive in to protect her. No matter how big a twit she is, she does not deserve that.
It is the code of the gentleman to speak plain, to keep to honor, to assist all, and protect others; no matter how poorly I measure up. And I keep my eyes on that because it is a code worth living for and if necessary getting hurt or hurt ot death for.
If not that, then why even be a man if being a mere male is so easy?
PS: Semper Paratus ‘Always Ready is the Coast Guard motto. The unofficial Coast Guard motto is ‘You Have to Go Out, You Don’t Have To Come Back’. I am with the USCGAUX, ‘the old the fat and the unpaid’.
You’re not old. You make cupcake cones.
Yeah, I’ve been watching this show off and on for 5 or 6 years. That’s how I know she’s not 12.
Ask her how many sites she’s been banned from. She seems to be working her way to the end of the internet.
Chronology is overrated.
You’re a better man than I, sir. Alls I do is help market things. Today the guy that drives the convertible douchemobile on level three left his lights on, and I turned them off for him. That’ll probably be the nicest thing I do all month. There’s just not a lot of character what gets tested in marketing.
– At any rate feets, theres fresh cupcakes in the kitchen to make it all bettah, the meds have started kicking in, and for some reason something strange…… smees eb ot gnineppah…..
BTW and totally off topic – my little brother, the major, and his wife (she did the heavy work) had their second child, another girl last Friday. Allison Grace made her debut into this world and is healthy and ‘looks like Winston Churchill’ in my little bro’s own tongue-tied words. If she resembles her big sister (almost two!) then she will be a dazzler.
Would it were. We’re still doing weekly weigh-ins at work. I think we have about a month of this left.
don’t forget, happy, that it’s easy for you to like her because she liked you so much. It’s different once she’s called you a liar or a homophobe or a racist or a scary stalker. I mean, think about what she’s doing to Mikey NTH here. It’s pretty rotten.
Oh. Mikey. What did your little brother’s wife do to get punished so? Hopefully this time she’ll learn.
That’s a good point, MayBee. I don’t have a good reply to that really.
– Kids say the darndest things Mikey. Congrats to them both.
– Happy….I thought they were going to suspend that weighty thingy for spring break….well at least you can sniff the creamy chocolate icing…..(with the tecnocolored sprinkles)….
Easter candy was 75% off at Target on Friday. um, so I’d avoid it for another couple days to be safe. gawd I love Robin Eggs.
Oh, maggie. Robin chocolate/malt eggs. Nature’s most perfect food.
I need to do this anyway so I feel good about spending way too much money on my interview suit I’m hoping to need this year. But there’s a lot of goodness I have to watch out for… I live next to a Jamba and a Starbucks and a Baskin Robins and Ralph’s and a cool yogurt shop where one of the toppings is crumbled cheesecake and a really good Indian food place and this excellent Sushi place that uses lots of tomatoes which you don’t a lot find with sushi and a great authentical Mexican place with amazing sopes and the best Thai place I’ve ever been to in my life and also an English pub with for real pub food. Next to as in like just walk out my door really. It would take a lot to get me to move.
haps – she got so punished by being no nonsense, hardheaded, sweet as cane sugar (my older nephews ask her for advice, despite the fact that she drills the facts between their eyes like a sniper, because she is so nice doing it), totally the last person I would ever tick off (she is Colombian!), and being the girl who spotted my brother in Bogota and said, ‘This one looks right’, and convincing her father that yes, she was going to marry this American. It helped that, despite the language difference, my brother and her father got on like gang-busters. And her mom likes our parents and vice-versa.
You never really understand how totally outclassed you are as a male until you are in a gaggle (giggle?) of Colomibian latinas rapidly discussing everything about you – and giggling as they do.
Sorry, senoras and senoritas, I surrender. be kind.
That’s a good story. My only Colombian friend ever was still a lot pissed about us stealing the canal and all. Spitting mad about it, and there wasn’t anything I could do.
I don’t have a good reply to that really.
You don’t need one. You are the best.
You too. And thank you.
– Fight it feets, fight it……you can do it….
Stealing the canal? We stole that fair and square! Then built it! And then gave it back to Panama!
He is seriously going to have to talk to Panama about linking up again with Colombia, and if Panamanian women are like Colombian women, then he will have to tread very lightly on that subject. Isabella is so not someone you want to get into a fight with. I didn’t have to do that to learn that – I could just feel.
And nishi-matoko-whomever-you-are fears me? Sweetie, you do not know the taste of fear yet. Get in an argument with a strongwilled girl from South America, and then say she is just like someone from another country. On good advice I was told to head for the bombshelter; if you think it is bad to tell a Pole that he is just a European like a Frenchmen, then my advisors say it is triply bad to tell a Colombian that she is just like a Puerto Rican. (Not that I was ever stupid enough to do so.)
If you, hope your passport is good, ’cause you will need it.
“You’re a better man than I, sir. Alls I do is help market things.”
If you meant me, all I do in real-get-paid-for-it-life is represent a public utilities commission as they regulate utilities and referee complaints against said utilities. The USCGAUX is all volunteer and gets me out on boats I could never afford to protect events – fireworks, races, rowing regattas – and try to keep people from killing themselves on nice, sunny, weekends. Tons o’ fun on my part, and in a month or a bit the water will get soft again!
The USCGAUX I read about last year. I think it was a post here. It was about an old old old guy who did that and they gave him an award. He rocked is why, and the day comes when that’s a very very important thing to do. And people a lot take that for granted.
300th?
If so, I’ll donate my celebratory sugar-free, gluten-free, low-carb cupcake to Happyfeet, just because.
And if I missed 300th, I’ll noogie whoever got it until they agree to give him the cupcake.
NO CUPCAKE FOR YOU, McGehee!
Yum.
Also that guy died. The Coast Guard guy. I can’t find where I first read about him, but they did a nice article about him the month before he died here. You have to search on “Howard Krueger” on that page. Oh. Also that was where I learned that some lakes have Coast Guard people. Who knew?
I may have sent the link in, haps. I push the auxiliary when I can, where I can. Because they are, no matter where, always looking for people who can help and ‘backfill’ the regulars and reserves on their non-military, non-lawenforcement missions. Some guys and gals I know stand watches at the boat stations, relieving the regulars; and they are the ones answering the radio or phone and launching the Search and Rescue Mission. And some of them are college instructors, or doctors, or factory workers, or whatever. One of the guys I crew with is a CPA and the other crew is a retired truck driver.
It’s just service from those who can give something to help those who risk everything. To see these young guys and gals launch from the station in bpv’s with pistols and some carrying M-16s, and hop in a small boat and go off to deal with what may be nothing or may be way more than you can guess…hat’s off to them.
Mine too. Even though I go a lot out of my way to never be one of the people who ever need their help, you never know.
Water is perilous. Also, nature.
Found this on my hard drive, dunno where it came from.
Maybe Jeff could put it in the sidebar and we can just reply by number. #4 would probably get the most use, I think.
1) Thank you. We’re all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.
2) The fact that no one understands you doesn’t mean you’re an artist.
3) I don’t know what your problem is, but I’ll bet it’s hard to pronounce.
4) Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
5) I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don’t care.
6) I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid.
7) What am I? Flypaper for freaks!?
8) I’m not being rude. You’re just insignificant.
9) I’m already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.
10) Ahhh…I see the Foolish Idea Fairy has visited us again…
11) I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you.
12) How about never? Is never good for you?
13) I’m really easy to get along with once you people learn to follow me.
14) You sound reasonable…Time to up my medication.
15) I’ll try being nicer if you’ll try being smarter.
16) I’m out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message…
17) I don’t work here. I’m a consultant.
18) Who me? I just wander from room to room.
19) It might look like I’m doing nothing, but at the cellular level I’m really quite busy.
20) At least I have a positive attitude about my destructive habits.
21) You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.
22) I see you’ve set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.
23) Someday, we’ll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.
Regards,
Ric
Ric, thank you. *golf clap*
And now, to bed.
Ooh, I like #22. And, I see that during my drunk commenting last night I goofed. I meant to say, that most of us prolly know people with higher IQ in real life who appear to “wear it better.” I also know lots of people with lower IQs that know a heck of a lot more.
Seems, anyway, lots of high IQ people have “issues” and their mental capacity doesn’t really carry over to life in any tangible way.
well…..i suppose feets is right again.
this was a small field experiment if u like.
carin, mikey, ric locke and mcgeehee actually said all those things….i linked them.
im supposed to believe mikey is really a sweet warm guy that wants the best for me after he said that, and bragged about sayin it?
after you guys all agreed that im the villian and deserved it anyways?
OTOH, you seem to want to attribute things to O that he never said, that someone else entirely said.
whited sepulchres, all the way down.
now im done.
LIAR
#2
Maybe #3.
I give free hugs to Obama girls.
…and completely misrepresented them.
Not the sort of thing you ought to expect to get away with on a blog where intentionalism is a primary theme.
QUIT STALKING NISHI WITH PINS!!!!ONE!!
Certainly not a second language; I’m guessing third or fourth. I think I comprehend Japanese better than nishi comprehends English, and I don’t speak more than a few words.
The comprehension issues that persist after the fifteenth or sixteenth correction, though, speak to deeply ingrained stupidity. Or that the person on the other end of the conversation is a fucking troll, and should have her fucking commenting rights revoked.
nishi, that’s all too much the manichaeism I think. All those people are textured and nuanced, every bit as you. It’s ungracious that you don’t grant them that. But especially there’s nothing righteous about Baracky. He’s just a Democrat. You’ll see.
oh feets…
when ppl get angry and frustrated they say what they really think.
it’s more pure and less nuanced.
i think….deep down ric and mcgheehee really do think homosexuality is bad, wrong, harmful.
and carin was frustrated at the ungrateful africans so she said they were like little children…in anger.
when ppl get mad they say things they never would say if they thought about it.
but they do mean them….at the time.
when mikey first said that about me, i was shocked and frightened.
i didnt think he would stalk me or try to find me….but in his anger at me he really wished me blood and pain.
at the moment.
it was a new experience for me.
i didnt comment for a while after that.
and now here…he bragged about it….that means he still thinks i deserved it and it wasnt wrong.
and then the rest of you stood up for him and said i was the horrible.
so i cant be here.
thats all.
Griefers differ from typical players in that they do not play the game in order to achieve objectives defined by the game world. Instead, they seek to harass other players, causing grief. In particular, they may use tools such as stalking, hurling insults, and exploiting unintended game mechanics.
You are beaten at your own game nishi and so you quit. And now it’s time to rebuild yourself. Wasn’t it cool how all the many different commenters used a myriad of your own griefing tactics to finally get you to this point? You really came unraveled at the end there. You probably even broke some sort of griefer code. Well as they say in basketball – No blood, no foul.
I really hate to gloat, but not gloating would run counter to the whole griefer-battle-royale concept, wouldn’t it?
Of course, as a griefer, your next gambit will be to say that your fear of stalking was to put your opponent off-balance. Your opponents are ready. GRIEF ON!!
Wrong again.
Nishi pokes the snake, gets bitten.
Film at 11.
And, typically, you show no regard at all for what they actually really think, choosing instead to just make it up. Which is cool, if you live in your own made-up universe populated by made-up characters, but not so cool when you’re a figment of my imagination.
BOO!
If I invite you to fuck off and die, nishi, that doesn’t mean you need to be afraid of me because of the implied unconsensual sex and death, but you’re welcome to the fear if that’s fun for you. Evidently it is, because you persist in maintaining that it scared you even after the scary parts were explained.
So, either too stupid to self-feed, or a fucking troll. I’m torn, really.
i griefed on you guyz, sure.
it was a game.
i didnt realize that meant it was fine for someone to wish me graphic blood and pain, and for the rest of u to sanction it.
gloat away.
One we didn’t invite you to play.
Go away.
You griefed and got griefed.
Learn from it.
Still playing, I see? Please go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw.
OK, your turn.
nishi’s chickenssssssss…are coming HOME….to Roost.
You griefed and got griefed.
no….that isnt true.
i never thot mikey wud come after me physically…but i was shocked and scared by the quality and quantity of rage in his comment.
and then surprised when he bragged on it, and u guyz sanctioned it.
griefers are pranksters…we like to twist ideas and words an make ppl angry.
i didnt get griefed…i just hit a nerve.
alpucchino is right tho..im shaken an unraveled.
i didnt ever visualize that u guyz wud sanction it.
cya.
Would you like to take this rusty chainsaw with you?
and….i didnt kno that mikey had said that until he bragged on it.
i had forgotten it.
i was shocked at the time i guess.
but wat shocks me now is that u guyz, here in jeff’s house…..
think it it is fine that he said that.
i didnt get greifed…..mikey lost his temper and u guyz sanctioned it is all.
no thanx
nishi,
I hesitate to write this, because it’s not something I like to relive. But when I was a child, I was locked in a mausoleum for 3 days with the body of my dead grandmother. It probably contributes to some of my weird humor, but at the time, it was very frightening. When you’ve used the term “white sepulcher” on many occasions, it brought all those horrifying memories flooding back.
And let me say, that I only ate one of her boobs because I didn’t think I’d ever get out. That’s the only reason.
Pissing people off is the object of griefing. Chickenssssss coming HOME!
But like you, I pine for the days when pw’ers were a bunch of speech police. *snif*
nishi wished for Ric Locke or someone in his family to get Alzheimer’s due to his stated position on stem cell research, so her now playing the part of the scared little girl over this statement is a little rich for my tastes. She is an astonishingly dishonest and arrogant person who routinely insults others, so any pity which might be directed towards her over crap like this is misplaced.
That last comment was mine.
That Alzheimer thing was clearly a prank. C’mon EG.
It’s a lot like how Palestinians identify with victimyness above all else I think though. Griefing elicits what griefing elicits. Just like katushas. You poked the snake. I think a lot this illuminates your rationale for supporting Baracky for his non-snake-pokiness. You choose retreat and isolationism over engagement, to the diminution of your own voice. I think it’s a lot honest.
The purpose of your “game” was to elicit rage — and now that you’ve done so you’re frightened by it.
And you told us not to poke the snake.
kk
i got it.
this is much better than u all pretendin he didnt really mean it, at least.
he didn’t do anything wrong, i did.
ill just run away now.
You’re a liar nishi, and now we know you are also a crybaby who whines over comments directed at her that could easily have been written by her.
You are truly one fucked up individual. Maybe you should see someone about that.
Did I miss where someone went after the nishidiot physically, or is it just making shit up again?
Though your heart is breaking
Never start to weep
Someday you can use it
Think of Meryl Streep
ive bin victimized! i win!!!
Good grief Pablo!
Okay, Nishi, we get it. You get to lob your grenades into our picnic all you want, for months on end, but when we get annoyed about it we’re wrong.
Get therapy.
lobbing grenades is my therapy.
Try the chainsaw. It’ll take your mind off your demons.