Yesterday, Barack Obama praised Jay Rockefeller’s vote against the Iraq AUMF after receiving a glowing introduction from the West Virginia Senator, contrasting it with Hillary Clinton’s “yes” vote:
Obama ripped Sen. Hillary Clinton on Sunday for failing to read the National Intelligence Estimate before voting in 2002 to authorize the Iraq war. He said she should’ve followed the lead of Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., contending that he, as the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, did read the report and voted against the war.
“Jay Rockefeller read it, but she didn’t read it,” Obama told a rally in Westerville, Ohio. “I don’t know what all that experience got her, because I have enough experience to know that if you have a National Intelligence Estimate and the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee says, `You should read this, this is why I’m voting against the war,’ you should read it.”
One problem: Rockefeller read the report and voted for the war. And Rockefeller was not the chairman of the committee at the time. Okay, two problems. Camp Obama is trying to claim that Obama really meant to refer to Bob Graham, who was the chairman, which makes no sense, given that he was being intoduced by Rockefeller. Okay, three problems. And Obama spokesperson Jennifer Psaki suggested the mistake was no big deal by saying, “I don’t think the people in the audience care who Jay Rockefeller is,” though Obama was making a big deal out of Rockefeller’s endorsement. Okay, four problems.
They are not big problems, in part because much of the media is trying to pretend this did not happen, even though Obama constantly uses the Iraq vote to explain why he has better foreign policy judgment than Clinton. (I would be interested if Obama shares Graham’s view that we should have been attacking Syria and Iran instead of Iraq, but I digress.)
Former Amb. Joe “Yellowcake” Wilson, rushes to Clinton’s defense at the HuffPo:
I was involved in that debate in every step of the effort to prevent this senseless war and I profoundly resent Obama’s distortion of George Bush’s folly into Hillary Clinton’s responsibility. I was in the middle of the debate in Washington. Obama wasn’t there. I remember what was said and done. In fact, the administration lied in order to secure support for its war of choice, including cooking the intelligence and misleading Congress about the intent of the authorization.
Aside from the fact that Wilson is one of the few people to have been personally and unanimously debunked by the Senate Intelligence Committee on that very subject, Wilson fails to explain how Clinton was misled by a report she did not read.
(Wilson h/t MayBee.)
Anybody that doesn’t follow the Huffington Post link to see Wilson’s picture is really only hurting himself.
Obama gets a pass.
“The electorate will ignore what I say when I issue a recall of what I said. Veriy, the electorate will not take into account the things I said which have been recalled.” Obamagod 12:1
Wilson can’t even remember dates correctly, and we’re supposed to trust his memory of a debate most of the left distorts like crazy?
That is some industrial grade stupid right there. Great pickup, Karl.
I’m thinking there is a reason why the Clintonistas haven’t made Joe and Val a highly visible centerpiece during this campaign.
“Strike that.” Verily. B(H)O G.
Well, that explains why Muslims like him so much — he’s so much like the Perfect Man Mohammed (ptui).
Wilson fails to explain how Clinton was misled by a report she did not read.
Rovian Mind-Beams.
Karl, have you asked Larry “the Legend” Johnson to comment?
BJ,
I gotta credit that to MayBee. It definitely warranted broader exposure.
One of the comments at HuffPo:
I would like everyone to wake up. I do not go to church regularly, but I have read the Bible. If the description of the anti-christ doesn’t fit Obama, I will kiss a fanny. “Great Orator….Charismatic”
“will unify the country…then the world”. Sound familiar?
This is starting to show some real promise.
Dan,
Nah, gotta have Larry working on Obama’s associations with terrorists (the ones he thought were no big deal until now).
Um … please don’t. I already have an eye bulging headache from the contents of the above post and taking MayBee’s suggestion to ponder Wilson’s picture at HuffPo, which makes him look like an over the hill America’s Cup captain.
*groan*
He’s more like Antichrist Jr., I think. Not enough experience but he seems eager to learn.
oh.
i detest jay rockefeller.
i think he shud have to reupp his loyalties poly for possible compromise of classified data.
kk
that is the first blow u have landed on me Karl.
touche
After this, the only thing I can really come up with is pretty paranoid. We’re being subjected to this nanny-state, leftist, hopey, changey, hatey, lame fact-checking gruel to shock us into accepting William Jefferson Clinton (Gack! I used his middle name!) as the new First Lady of the United States!
But since when can you bring a Rockefeller to economically depressed Ohio and that not be politically stupid? I guess Ohio people and irony are not exactly bestest friends, but still.
Pretty spectacular faux pas by the Big O there. Maybe all those white guys look the same to him.
Why does anyone care what Broadway Joe Wilson says anyway? You just know it’s going to be some kind of stupid six ways from Sunday, as he proved above. As he was right in the middle of things, wasn’t he in favor of the war before he was against it? And didn’t he publicly believe Sadaam had WMD and believe he would use them when we invaded before reversing himself after the invasion when he began working for the Ketty campaign? Why would anybody believe a thing the blivet says?
that is the first blow u have landed on me Karl.
touche
It’s all about you nishi
hahahahahaha
deluded twit
I think Larry Kudlow is bipolar. I really do.
Really? All I know is that he looks and sounds exactly like my aunt Hattie but with less hair.
Obama: Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.
Did Hillary promise Joe ambassadorship ?
All the sane and reasonable people were against Iraq war. So Wilson should just shut up…
I betting Wilson gets a first round bye due to his top seed in the stupid tournament. He’s already iced the mendacious tourney.
I think the war was neat and I feel very positive about it, sashal. I’m sure glad George Bush was president cause otherwise all those people would still be living under Saddam’s fist and the Middle East would really be pretty hopeless. George Bush is my favoritest president ever!
I strongly disagree with your naive Utopian views on the world, HF
Bush admionistration is probably one of the worst in American history :–http://poligazette.com/2008/03/03/vanity-fair-bush-provoked-palestinian-civil-war/#comments
George Bush hates black people.
If only.
Yeah, I strongly disagree with your Utopian views, too, hf. They’re dangerously too Utopianey. Curb your Utopianity for your own good.
sashal, do you like butter tarts?
I’m still trying to find the Utopian views in hf’s comment. I need to run it through a lefty filter I guess.
And you’re possibly too naive as well. Abandon all your naivete and get right with the world.
No, HF, I do not…
Caviar, Vodka and Pelmeni.
You will be more successful if you run it through the right filter, cranky-d.
HF views are pure trotskism, ergo, liberal fascism
Oh do shut the fuck up, sashal. Either stay in fulltime moonbat mode or don’t. Vaccilating between reasonable and unhinged is too confusing. Your opinion is noted and found wanting…
now the fuzzy stare from not being there on a confusing morning week
impaired my tribal lunar-speak
and of course you can’t become if you only say what you would have done
so i missed a million miles of fun
Oh, I am sorry OI.
Is that too confusing to you ? For somebody not fitting into the American right/left stereotype.
Now try to reconcile this two thoughts in your brain.
I am very conservative (and am
long time admirer of Reagan/Kissinger pragmatism-)
And classical liberal in the economical matters…
that always makes my day better, that song
sashal, I for real remember when I first thought freedom was neat was when I read this book when I was little. It’s hard to find now, but it was written by one of your people. There’s nothing Utopian about none of the whole freedom thing, I don’t think. It’s all about learning how to be amiably dystopian more, really.
Oops
missed the words “in foreign affairs” after pragmatism
The thing I remember most from that book is that Russians at the time weren’t really big on the whole food distribution network thing, so people were hungry a lot. There was this one character who was eating these chocolates and this girl asks him what’s up with the chocolates and he says cause chocolate suppresses your appetite. Everyone was kind of embarrassed for him, but I tried it for real, and, um, turns out I really don’t think chocolate works like that. I still try it again periodically though.
Rockefeller was against it before he was for it, and when he was against it, he wasn’t really against it, it was just based on manipulated intelligence that would have made him think that he was for it, but he knew better than to actually read it. My head, it speeens.
HF, get “Absurdistan”. Great satire on the contemporary events in ex-USSR.
Sure, there is nothing Utopian in freedom.
The Utopian is the idea they you can gift it with the help of military invasion and occupation. And that is pure strategical and tactical Bolshevism.
Every nation and individual has to come to this on his own, sure some cultural, economical help can be provided to facilitate the changes…
I was reading “Our Dumb World” by our friends at The Onion last night. That was one of the few things that makes me laugh as much as a good comment thread here.
The cover alone was sensational
Free globe inside
Now with 30% more Asia
Fewer clouds on maps
Curvier latitude lines
Long standing border disputes resolved
Better veiled xenophobia
Bono awareness rating for each nation
Collectible CD – The Smooth Sounds of Cartography
Oh please. That’s so not very charming. Your way just rewards those who build a more better apparatus of repression. Oh too bad so sad, no freedom for you. Guess you just don’t want it bad enough.
My mom’s we’re-not-supposed-to-call-him-boyfriend had that at Christmas, JD. Very funny, but he wouldn’t let me look at it very much cause he wanted me to fix his iPod and he’s not very patient or something. Kind of a strange guy.
If somebody puts me in a woodchipper, don’t call sashal to help liberate me from it.
I’m with happyfeet. George W is the man!
No, it can’t be gifted, and that’s not what we’re trying to do. We’re simply trying to create the conditions where it can be instituted, and we still don’t know how that’s going to work out because no one has ever done it before. It ultimately comes down to the Iraqis. History is not a guide on this one.
I think that folks like nishi and sashal confuse things like this for reality.
There is a river in Sudan that they named O-negative. They will burn in hell. The map of Sudan is broken into sections “saved by Bono”, “saved by Clooney”, “saved by Madonna”. I am sooooo going to burn in hell for laughing this hard.
Oh, yes. Yes they will.
democracy cannot be forced….but it is highly contagious.
an egyptian professor that was in prison said that.
that is why the arab tyrants have to spread jewhatred….it innoculates against democracy.
Nishizonoshinji have you ever heard of a country named Japan?
Pablo – You just increased the relative speed at which I will go to hell, and the temperature at which I will roast once there.
CONS: Nation would not mourn.
That is rough.
Ha! Obama basically said Rockefeller was a stupid idiot right in front of his face.
I wonder if Rockefeller will pull a Cunningham and come out against Obama now.
BJT: Um … please don’t. I already have an eye bulging headache from the contents of the above post and taking MayBee’s suggestion to ponder Wilson’s picture at HuffPo, which makes him look like an over the hill America’s Cup captain.
OMG! I read this while I was brushing my teeth, and I laughed so hard I almost died of toothpaste asphyxiation.
no matter what, but I like Pablo.
He is always open to a dissenting views and considerations
FortLiving, watashiwa gakusei desu
democracy was not forced on the nihongjin–they embraced it.
nishi-
nihon-jin
no ‘g’
MayBee – Again, what is it with making my eyes bleed?! Do you get some perverse kind of pleasure of posting links to pics? Last time you posted a link to some assbandit going commando in a kilt during a tornado. This time, Joe Wilson. Fucking Joe Wilson. Off to confession, young lady.
Do you get some perverse kind of pleasure of posting links to pics?
I am nothing if not a very mean person.
Damn Eisenhower and MacArthur, those old Bolshies. Both of ’em was to the left of Lenin they was.
I do not think you are mean, MayBee. I just think that you enjoy the thought of us guys rolling around on the floor, wretching our guts out.
I just think that you enjoy the thought of us guys rolling around on the floor, wretching our guts out.
OK, maybe I’m just cruel. But that Wilson picture was a good laugh, wasn’t it?
Well, she WOULD’VE been mislead if she had read it!
SEXIST!
How is it that the Dems ever thought that claiming that they were so damn stoopid that even the Chimperor was able to trick/mislead them would be a good strategy to pursue? Don’t blame us, we were dummerer than the dummerest President in history!!!
And yes, MayBee, it was hysterical, and disgusting.
The only wilson picture I saw was a tiny one next to the title. Is there another one that I’m missing?
This will not even be a story tomorrow. Barry Fucking O can just make shite up, and continue to not answer for it.
If it is Obama, Wilson, and the MSM battling for the title of most dummerest, I would put good money on Barry O to win it by submission, with the MSM and Wilson tapping out due to the painfully blinding heavenly light that follows the Messiah of shinyhappysparklyshopey around.
[…] seeing the intelligence. As Hillary did. (Obama tries to explain it all away by saying that hey, he was talking about someone else and even if he was talking about Jay no one in the audience cared so its not big deal…..yeah) […]
Did all the Obama lefties at Huffpo tell Joe to fuck off like they always do when he sticks in his stupid opinions like Monica talking to Bill about Education policy? That’s always satisfying.
Iraq: A Hopeless Cause
It has been far to long and I am sick and tired of our country fighting a war we don’t need. With all the problems in our country, why are we concerning ourselves more with others. It has been 4 1/2 years too long and we need to take action NOW!!!! The Bush Administration needs to take a closer look at their Bible, “remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.” (Matthew 7:5) While America has been paying attention to every other country, the U.S. has been experiencing economic problems, unemployment, a stalled housing market, and a growing deficit. Every day we fight this war all of those problems listed worsen, and as they worsen our country fails it’s citizens more and more. If we don’t end this war now it will never end. The world is moving to fast for us to waste time on meaningless conflicts.
“Every day we fight this war all of those problems listed worsen, and as they worsen our country fails it’s citizens more and more.”
My country hasn’t failed me, but then I never thought that my nation owed me anything. Don’t worry, Obama will make everything right for you.
Did all the Obama lefties at Huffpo tell Joe to fuck off like they always do when he sticks in his stupid opinions like Monica talking to Bill about Education policy? That’s always satisfying.
They did. But there were also a lot of Wilson & Clinton fans who showed up to back him up or to diss the empty suit (i.e. Obama the Godbag). It was actually quite entertaining.
What’s really funny is that in 2004 Hillary said:
So when Wilson says the problem with the intel is that the administration was lying, he’s saying both the Clinton and the Bush administrations lied.
He is really such an ass.
That’s a nice quote there, Maybee. confirms what I’ve been thinking, Hillary is not about to throw Bill under the bus…. yet.
“Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.” – Hillary Clinton on the Senate Floor in 2002
… just to stick up for Wilson’s commentary. Yes, Hillary Clinton was misled. And it will be a sad, sad day if it costs her this election to a man about whose opinions America knows basically nothing.