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Ethical Killbot Forum [Dan Collins]

Governments around the world are rushing to develop military robots capable of killing autonomously without considering the legal and moral implications, warns a leading roboticist. But another robotics expert argues that robotic soldiers could perhaps be made more ethical than human ones.

Let the nishi-bashing begin.

60 Replies to “Ethical Killbot Forum [Dan Collins]”

  1. McGehee says:

    robotic soldiers could perhaps be made more ethical than human ones.

    Which reminds me — when is the season premiere of “Battlestar Galactica” supposed to be?

  2. Dan Collins says:

    March 22, 2007
    SCI FI has renewed Battlestar Galactica for a fourth season, commissioning 22 hours of “the best show on television.” Production will resume this summer with an eye toward a January 2008 season premiere. The special two-hour prequel event Battlestar Galactica: Razor will air in November 2007.

  3. Dan Collins says:

    The Tricia Helfer Action Figure needs to be much larger.

    http://www.scifi.com/sfw/cool/sfw18136.html

  4. SoCal Dave says:

    The Wiki entry for BSG says April 4, 2008 for the Season 4 premiere. Unfortunately, the reference is a link to the BSG homepage on scifi.com which doesn’t show this (or any other) date.

    So the official answer is “who the hell knows”.

  5. daleyrocks says:

    wat dont u ppl unnrstand – it all start w biology
    u stoopid godbotherer theocon or sumpin
    I pop fashionista geek wigga sufi muslim for wats popula
    go Che!
    Go BO!

  6. Ric Locke says:

    Nishi should change her name to “Rossum.”

    Regards,
    Ric

  7. happyfeet says:

    I saw Razor. The British chick or whatever was cool I thought, and it was a lot better than I had expected it to be.

  8. Merovign says:

    nishi is, after all, a proper subject in a thread about unethical robots.

    And I think PW has forgotten my password for about the last time. Never was able to log into the pub.

  9. SoCal Dave says:

    I saw Razor in the theater. Very cool. Especially the battle scenes… much better on the big screen.

  10. SoCal Dave says:

    “u stoopid godbotherer theocon or sumpin”

    You left out “albino”.

  11. Marco says:

    …and find Sarah Connor. (Sorry. Too obvious to resist.)

    What I was thinking when reading about this (and the possible silly discussion about a future Butlerian jihad) was, “how does this compare with brainwashing teenagers to blow themselves up in crowded marketplaces – not just ethically, but also with regard to possibly dangerous future side effects?

  12. daleyrocks says:

    but also with regard to possibly dangerous future side effects?

    Thr effect of suicide bombers on anthropogenic global warming? I hadn’t considered that angle. Maybe we need another U.N. Conference.

  13. cranky-d says:

    I have seen ads on the Sci Fi channel claiming April 4 as the next time we’ll see a new episode of BSG.

  14. Techie says:

    Where is Sarah Conner?

  15. nishizonoshinji says:

    hehe..well i was the go-to grrl for Friendly AI.
    back in the day.
    Friendly AI Possible, Friendly Homo Sapiens Sapiens, Not So Much.
    that is kinda dated….ill have to see if theres some stuff out there.

  16. nishizonoshinji says:

    new stuff.

  17. MlR says:

    Honestly, I don’t get why you guys are so tough on Nishi. Sure, she’s a little off the wall. Her seemlying conscious decision to join the crowd, and upend reason, issues, or philosophy with regard to Obama being the most frustrating. Yet, I think she’s nonetheless an interesting and entertaining commenter, who I hope isn’t pushed away.

  18. Rob Crawford says:

    hehe..well i was the go-to grrl for Friendly AI.

    And probably as (in)capable and (ill)informed as you are about evolution, politics, and religion.

  19. Dan Collins says:

    Yeah, I had my go-round with nishi way back when.
    She’s young. Jeff likes her. She’s the only way one of my threads goes over a hundred.

  20. B Moe says:

    I like nishi also. If our paths ever crossed, I would love to have it out over drinks and wings. But just because you are my friend doesn’t mean you don’t have to back up your opinions, and if I think you are out of line I will call you on it.

  21. Rob Crawford says:

    My impression of nishi is that she’s a windsock, following the blowing winds of fad. An intellectual lightweight convinced by years of “you are special” self-esteem boosting that her opinions are worthwhile and informed.

    I haven’t seen anything to change that impression, just more to reinforce it.

  22. MlR says:

    Fair enough, I’m just wary of the group-pack gang-bangs. Unless there’s videotape.

  23. Dan Collins says:

    Geez, Rob. You must not have been a douchenozzle when you were young.
    Lucky bastard.

  24. MlR says:

    I’m 24 and on a college campus, Rob, so I understand the frustration. Let’s just hope they eventually grow out of it.

  25. nishizonoshinji says:

    umm..if u wanna unnerstand the concept of Friendly AI read this story from Vettaproject site.
    Satan and the Black Box from Hell
    one of Hutters students set out to prove Friendly AI was impossible….but was only able to prove that “proving F-AI was impossible” was impossible to prove.
    cool science.
    i love BSG and Terminator.
    they are like field lab thot experiments for F-AI.

  26. Dan Collins says:

    Terminate. Terminate. Terminate.

  27. Ric Locke says:

    vetta.org — kewl. Seventy-five years of science fiction, and they have to start over (and do not nearly as well.)

    Regards,
    Ric

  28. mojo says:

    I do NOT approve of lethal force without a human in the loop somewhere. Machines is dumb, and they break in unexpected ways.

  29. Ric Locke says:

    uh, huh, mojo. So furnace thermostats are right out for you, then?

    Regards,
    Ric

  30. Dan Collins says:

    Only those thermostats that use lethal force. They’re . . . why they’re BAD.

  31. Rob Crawford says:

    Geez, Rob. You must not have been a douchenozzle when you were young.

    Oh, I was, at times. But I at least tried not to be one.

  32. McGehee says:

    I just don’t have any patience for people who put more effort into style than substance — and the only way Nishi isn’t spending more time and effort translating her comments into lolbonics, is if lolbonics is her first language.

    And that would just be a whole different can of Pokemon, right there.

  33. McGehee says:

    And then I see comments like this one, from the “fissile” thread:im hopeful that O is just setting up for good cop bad cop.I cannot help but conclude that Nishi is not making good-faith comments here. She may be a friendly and good-humored troll, but she’s trolling nevertheless.

  34. nishizonoshinji says:

    well….if O is smart that is wat he will do.
    the world sees GW as the badcop, pretty much.
    if u guys are right and he is a naive simpleton, and continues to be that after brieifing….well…..it will be bad, truly.
    but honestly, wat is the alternative?

    btw, im not a troll, ima nightelf

  35. Lewis says:

    Yeah, I had my go-round with nishi way back when.
    She’s young. Jeff likes her. She’s the only way one of my threads goes over a hundred.

    Heh. Every forum could use a good troll.

    It’s been years since I’ve seen the jinn.

    I’m not sure whether I should be pleased or frightened.

  36. happyfeet says:

    Troll is just another worn-out label from the past. This blog is about the future. The real future that will make a real difference to real people, but only if we learn more and study more and work harder, together.

  37. Lewis says:

    Holy crap!

    Checking out her link from #16, I just noticed that she filed Discarded Lies under the “Factory of Infinite Evil” category.

    (Right there in between dKos and DU – oh, the shame of it!)

    Heh.

    Not that I half blame her – evariste let her have it pretty good on more than one occasion.

  38. happyfeet says:

    Whoa. Over at that lies what has been discarded place who’s there but our douchey friend Steven Warshawsky.

    In my opinion, the election of Obama would represent the final and irreversible transformation of the country from an Anglo-American country into a multicultural country. How would conservatives ever again be able to argue persuasively that we need to preserve our white, European ethnic and cultural heritage, when the country just elected someone who represents the exact opposite?

    He’s like exponentially more disposable than Massengill ever dreamed of.

  39. happyfeet says:

    Oh. I got distracted. Now I can’t remember where I was going with #37. What was I thinking? No ideer.

  40. guinsPen says:

    Hope, hap?

  41. happyfeet says:

    Um. It was something perchy with feathers I think maybe. Or maybe I’m getting that mixed up with the egret.

  42. guinsPen says:

    Bob Hope?

  43. guinsPen says:

    Which movie was that?

    Road to…?

  44. Lewis says:

    Whoa. Over at that lies what has been discarded place who’s there but our douchey friend Steven Warshawsky.

    Dude, he’s not on DL, he’s on View From the Right.

    Hey, DL poster solus rex likes him some Lawrence Auster, what can I say? He posts links to Auster’s stuff with some frequency.

  45. happyfeet says:

    Oh. I don’t know any of those people. I find other blogs disturbing. I kind of xenoblogophobic like that.

    Bob Hope, I’ve never seen his movies. I’ve seen his ginormous house though. Ok actually mostly just the enormous lot his house is on cause you can’t really see the house. He did well for himself, that one. It’s really close to a Baja Fresh where I like their guacamole ok but you have to steal onions for it out of the pico for it really to taste right.

  46. happyfeet says:

    *I’m* kind of… is what that means. But anyway nishi is very nice to have about was what I think what I was going to segue to somehows but I can’t remember how for real I was going to get there.

  47. Lewis says:

    I saw Elvis’ ginormous house once.

    Just the outside of it.

    Would you believe, the one day I’m in Memphis, and Graceland was fcuking closed?!?!

  48. Wild Bill Keller says:

    nishi is very nice to have about

  49. guinsPen says:

    What he said.

  50. Pablo says:

    Yet, I think she’s nonetheless an interesting and entertaining commenter, who I hope isn’t pushed away.

    nishi cannot be pushed away. nishi can only be banned, which is not an uncommon occurrence. Jeff is quite graceful about such things.

  51. Pablo says:

    Checking out her link from #16, I just noticed that she filed Discarded Lies under the “Factory of Infinite Evil” category.

    Way back when I started that thing, I had no idea that it could ever become a factory of infinite evil. I think I’m gonna have to buy myself a drink. WooHoo!

  52. datadave says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hope

    holy shit! Didn’t know he was a Brit. and Road to….where ever…but with Bing Crosby mostly. Lots of places.

    Nishi Shinji…ahem, is a boy’s name… zono is Freak Boy. You go “Grrrl”!

  53. MlR says:

    The talking telephone pole fucking sucked.

  54. nishizonoshinji says:

    whoa…nice to see u Lewis! membah this?
    /giggles
    but my very favorite was Discarded Lies as a home meth lab, hehe….

  55. nishizonoshinji says:

    rawr, i cudn’t find a link…praps ev deleted it….
    but i can repost!
    MTV Real World Does Discarded Lies— this week’s episode– Dave Ray’s Meth Lab!!!
    The scene opens in the Liar’s Lounge, with the House residents draped over various pieces of furniture. EVARISTE and DAVE RAY enter the room, with EVARISTE’s arm around DAVE RAY’s shoulders.

    EV: Hey, Dave, thanks for paying three months rent in advance! That sure helps out fixing the airconditioner where Bigel pushed PoO’s head into the exhaust fan. You sure are well fixed for fundage lately–got a cash cow somewhere?

    DAVE RAY: Well, I have taken on a side project for our neighbors, LGF Watch. It is very lucrative. (smiles)

    (Sound of sirens in the distance, coming closer)

    SOJOURNER hoists her 300# butt out of her chair and waddles over to the window : Hey! Three fire trucks and four police cars are stopping out in our front yard!

    ZORKMIDDEN strides to the front door: Ev, I’ll take care of this. ( scowling)
    Immediately, ZORKMIDDEN re-enters the room, accompanied by two men in hazmat suits carrying instruments and test kits.
    ZORKMIDDEN : Ev, these men say that Dave Ray has been operating a meth lab in our basement!

    EV: Not Dave Ray, our loyal friend and differently relevent poster!! That is not possible!! Dave Ray is a stand-up guy!! He would never do that!!

    DAVE RAY stands up, glances around furtively, and leaps out the window.

    HAZMAT #1: Don’t worry, the police outside will apprehend him. Meanwhile this property is condemned because of meth contamination. The perp was dumping chemicals in the backyard–have any of you kids been walking around out there?

    ZULUBABY: Why?

    HAZMAT#2: Because your clothes and shoes will have to be destroyed. The contents of the entire house will have to be burnt, due to methamphetamine manufacture contamination.

    ZULUBABY: Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh! My Manolos! ( bursts into tears)

    EV: (mumbling unintelligibly) levi, sorry. I’m furious right now. This shitstain on a hobo’s underwear has been trying to drive my friends away and telling lies about me. I’m so ready to burn bridges. Fuck you danny, fuck you and everyone who loves you. Including you, zulubaby. If you have a goddamn ounce of sense you’ll see this piece of shit for what he is. He’s sitting there stirring up shit with jinnderella and NY Nana and making up lies about me. They hate you so much that they deleted your comment to him saying “I love you, danny”. And this is who he sits down and breaks his filthy bread with. Think about the people you love sometime. justdanny is not the same justdanny you imagine. He’s someone else entirely. Look at it, it’s right in front of your eyes, right here. You know me. Do I strike you as the kind of guy who would fucking spam their shitty ass blog? Tell me that. I need to know if you believe him or me. I’ve never asked anyone to take sides before in all this crap, but you need to at least tell me you don’t believe his garbage, or I won’t be able to respect you any more. I don’t care what you think of Dave Ray. I’m talking about justdanny. I’m at the end of my goddamn rope here with these psychos.

    ZORKMIDDEN: (gasping) Omigod! What’s wrong with him!

    EV: F***! F***! %$#@!!! **&^??!!!! S***!!! %$*(&!! %@#!!!

    HAZMAT#1: Oh no! He has Tourette’s syndrome brought on by environmental methamphetamine poisoning!

    EV: S%%$#!! F^&%$!!!

    HAZMAT#2: Quick! Get that stretcher in here!

    ZORKMIDDEN: (crying) Oh, Ev, sweetie, i promise it will be alright!!

    EV: F$$$!!! W**&^%!! G**&@#!!

    All the remaining residents stumble out to the yard and watch forlornly while the stretcher is shoved into the ambulance, EVARISTE yelling out random bursts of profanity all the time.

    FRANKIBC: ( sorrowfully, hanging head) And all this time I thought he was just speaking arabic.

    Tune in next week for a new episode! MTV Real World Does Discarded Lies: Episode 4: STDs!!!!

    /giggles
    good times

  56. nishizonoshinji says:

    #36
    It’s been years since I’ve seen the jinn.

    well someone rubbed the lamp. it must have been Jeff.

  57. nishizonoshinji says:

    oh daley….the whole MPD psycho thing is just way too layered to explain..
    an it involves Steven Den Beste and Pixy Misa an a buncha other ppl that dont really blog much politcal stuff anymore.
    ancient history of the blogverse.

  58. Lewis says:

    #56 nishizonoshinji

    whoa…nice to see u Lewis! membah this?

    One of your better ones, yes, certainly I remember it.

    You keep battin’ your eyelashes all purdy like that, an’ you’ll do jess fine ’round these parts.

    #52 Pablo

    Way back when I started that thing, I had no idea that it could ever become a factory of infinite evil. I think I’m gonna have to buy myself a drink. WooHoo!

    Dude, I’ll buy you a drink. Top shelf, even. Heck, I’ll get one for jinnji too while I’m at it.

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