September 7, 2007

"Transcript — Osama slams Dems for failing to end war, praises Chomsky, calls for end of democracy"

From ABC’s Political Radar (via Hot Air):

Sources tell ABC News the [verified new bin Laden tape] is approximately 30 minutes long, and does not contain overt threats to the United States.

According to the transcript, bin Laden opens with “praise to Allah” and his “law of retaliation” — “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and the killer is killed.”

Bin Laden also spoke to the ongoing situation in Iraq throughout the tape, heavily criticizing the Bush administration.

He says to the American people, “you made one of your greatest mistakes, in that you neither brought to account nor punished those who waged this war, not even the most violent of its murderers, [former Defense Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld…”

“You permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you — with your full knowledge and consent — to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then you claim to be innocent! The innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th — were I to claim such a thing.”

— Interesting to note that even bin Laden won’t go so far as native American superscholar Ward Churchill, which tells you a little bit about our academic fringe, though that’s a Billy Jack post for another day —

Bin Laden says President Bush’s words echo “neoconservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Richard Perle.”

“People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven’t made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there.”

The transcript indicates that bin Laden refers to statements from U.S. soldiers in Iraq, from an interview taped by a British journalist. Portions of the interview aired in a July report on ABC News.

“It would benefit you to listen to the poignant messages of your soldiers in Iraq, who are paying — with their blood, nerves and scattered limbs — the price for these sorts of irresponsible statements,” the transcript says.

“Among them is the eloquent message of Joshua which he sent by way of the media, in which he wipes the tears from his eyes and describes American politicians in harsh terms and invites them to join him there for a few days,” the statement continues.

According to the transcript, bin Laden says there are two ways to end the war:

“The first is from our side, and it is to continue to escalate the killing and fighting against you.”

The second is to do away with the American democratic system of government. “It has now become clear to you and the entire world the impotence of the democratic system and how it plays with the interests of the peoples and their blood by sacrificing soldiers and populations to achieve the interests of the major corporations.

[…]

He goes on to call Noam Chomsky “among one of the most capable of those from your own side,” and mentions global warming and “the Kyoto accord.”

He also speaks to recent issues grabbing headlines in the United States, referring to “the reeling of many of you under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes and real estate mortgages; global warming and its woes…

Wow.

To borrow from Voltaire, if Osama bin Laden didn’t exist, Republicans would have to invent him.

At the very least, they might want to send him a fruit basket.

Notes Allah: “Remember, it’s an absolute article of faith on the left that Bin Laden wants us in Iraq, has always wanted us in Iraq, and will continue to want us in Iraq to give him a casus belli with which to recruit,” and so the “predictable leftist spin to come” will be that “Osama’s afraid we’re going to withdraw and is trying to bait us into staying via reverse psychology. In fact, given the inhospitability of Anbar, he may be looking for an excuse to get out himself and redeploy the new recruits into hitting Musharraf or targets in the west. He can’t do that until we leave, though, or he loses face.”

Thankfully, it seems the anti-war Democrats (along with Ron Paul and a number of “true conservatives”) are about to lose face, as well.

Because let’s face it: having the world’s number 2 terrorist (just behind George Bush) come out and berate you for not following through with your promises to do his organization’s bidding — well, that can be a bit of a bummer, I imagine.

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update: Rusty is quite thankful for the Chomsky reference. Sadly, old Noam probably is, too.

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update 2: Allah calls UBL a socialist icon. Me, I think should he curb his penchant for blowing shit up, he might fit in quite well as mayor of that Other America that John Edwards is hoping to fix.

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update: “WE QUESTION THE TIMING/AUTHENTICITY/FACT THAT A TERRORIST IS SPITTING BACK AT US EXACTLY THE KINDS OF THINGS WE’VE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS!”*

Like I said. Ron Silver in theatrical makeup and beard extensions. Google it, people!

Posted by Jeff G. @ 12:41pm
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Comments (190)

  1. Ron Paul and Osama. The true Republican and Democrat. 2008’s race sure is shaping up early.

  2. Well let’s cue the Paul-lines and have them express their gratitude for Osama’s endorsement of their position.

    May not work for them, though.

  3. It will never dawn on the nutroots that they should be concerned that OBL uses their own rhetoric as his own.

  4. Long winded sum biscuit ain’t he?
    boils down to a simple statement “Surrender or die” why clutter it up with such drivel as interest mortgage and crap?
    “NUTS”

  5. Does this guy even remember why he killed all those people to begin with?

  6. ““It would benefit you to listen to the poignant messages of your soldiers in Iraq, who are paying — with their blood, nerves and scattered limbs — the price for these sorts of irresponsible statements,” the transcript says.

    “Among them is the eloquent message of Joshua which he sent by way of the media, in which he wipes the tears from his eyes and describes American politicians in harsh terms and invites them to join him there for a few days,” the statement continues.”

    He is playing the chickenhawk card? Mister Osama Been Absent? How is that for some world-class irony?

  7. What a dick. He doesn’t give Democrats any credit for at least trying.

  8. $15 bucks says he’s living on the beach in Venezuala.

  9. To borrow from Voltaire, if Osama bin Laden didn’t exist, Republicans would have to invent him.

    Dang, I’d say you read my mind, except that you wrote this well before I read it so you got that whole space-time thing going your way.

    So, just Dang.

  10. Early predictions on how Dems will spin this so that it fits their narrative?

  11. how it plays with the interests of the peoples

    Has anyone seen Zorro the Gay Blade since 9/11?

  12. How embarrassing.

    “We had a DEAL!”

  13. Full transcript: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070907_bin_laden_transcript.pdf

    On the plus side he is for lower taxes, isn’t a “truther” with regards to 9/11, nor does he deny the Holocaust.

    If this weren’t so serious, I would have laughed uncontrollably. Instead, merely many chuckles.

    Rove psy-ops.

  14. Early predictions on how Dems will spin this so that it fits their narrative?

    bin Laden is a non-existent figure invented by the CIA/State Department that is under the control of Bush.

  15. I’m just upset he made us wait. I mean, all the other jihadists are already out there spreading their message. Why wait so long when he’s known the whole time that he’d be airing a video anyway? And skipping the Iraq war, that’s just direspectful to the Iraqi people. I’ve soooo moved on.

  16. John Cole receiving Greenwald links. True conservatism has its rewards, I guess.

    Getting closer to that promised land, eh John? Congrats!

    Note, too, that much of Greenwald’s output these days is intent on discussing masculinity. Glenn Reynolds is trying desperately to assert his via his tough-talk warmongering. Whereas Greenwald is comfortable with his own — ass deep though it may be in some Brazilian cabana boy.

    As a side benefit, Jim Henley will explain…uh…nothing much. But he’s manly enough to refuse to act manly in any kind of ostensible way (save for his posts on how he refuses to act manly in any kind of ostensible way).

  17. I expect the Dems will spin this by saying “Hey, isn’t that the guy responsible for 9/11? He’s still alive and free? You know, I’d suggest that we try to catch him or something, but I have been reliably informed that it’s highly inappropriate for congresspersons to tell the president how to do his job, especially if it means interfering with military strategy.”

    But maybe not quite as snarky, and with some reference to “the will of the honest, hard-working American families” or some crap.

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  19. Gabriel – My guess is that the men and women in uniform that have fought in Afghanistan, and searched for OBL, would be rather pissed at your assertion that we have done nothing, or in your words, haven’t tried.

  20. Yeah. Because nobody’s been trying to catch him.

    Maybe if we just all held hands and really, really wished it to be so, we could muster the kind of positive energy that turns finding a single human in all of the world into something that can be done with a couple clicks of a mouse…

    Related:

    See Zero, Daryl.

  21. Y’know, the best thing Osama could do for his side would be to send out a video claiming he had nothing to do with 9/11. That it was all a Bush/CIA conspiracy.

    Hey, look at how things have gone with the Left since 9/11, they’d believe him in a heartbeat.

  22. The guy is dead. If he was alive he would’ve done something with a video or picture that proves he’s alive, like holding up a recent newspaper or something. He depends on media to float Al-Qaeda, and if he could prove that he had eluded the “great satan” for the last six years he would’ve done so by now.

    What upsets me is that we have intelligent people who think he is still alive. C’mon folks. He’s dead.

  23. Tman, Allah says he mentions Sarkozy and other current events. They’ve got a full transcript up over at HotAir.

  24. Dead?

    By the look of his 2004 and 2007 pictures, I think he’s getting closer to being born.

  25. In point of fact, unless I miss my guess nobody is trying to catch bin Laden, or at least they aren’t trying very hard. Part of that is awareness of the theatrical aspect. I mean, just picture it: a full armored division, complete with M1 tanks and Apache helicopters, five or six thousand soldiers and all the trucks and support gear, bounding across the rocky desert chasing one guy, who pops up occasionally like Bugs Bunny and wiggles his ears. How do you say “Eeeeeeh, what’s up, Doc?” in Arabic? The only thing missing would be to require the guys to put on stark-white pancake and round red rubber noses, and paint the gear in garish primary colors with balloons and silly animal cartoons.

    No. Even if they caught him the cure would be worse than the disease. That’s not even counting the resulting show trial, with Ramsey Clark in full musth and the Arab Street (Berkeley Gay Pride Division) demonstrating their demands to Free Usama.

    Which is one of the many things the Iraq Adventure is all about. The objective is not bin Laden captured or bin Laden dead; the objective is bin Laden discredited, his followers dead, living out his life in isolated frustration. Yeah, as it stands he remains an icon attracting followers, and capturing or killing him would eliminate that aspect. –or would it? Dead he’s a martyr; captured he’s an object of zeal — and not only would we get the annual State of the Jihad Message, there would be daily updates via Reuters and AFP for the edification of the world. I cannot think of a single thing that capturing or killing Osama would do to benefit the United States in any way, on balance.

    Regards,
    Ric

  26. I hope that soldier Osama quoted feels real satisfied with himself. C’mon you played right into the enemy’s hands. Nice work, and crying about it too. What a baby.

  27. Ric: But… but… Bush made a STATEMENT long ago about Bin Laden being a priority target and you know priorities NEVER change in war or something like that!

    /moonbat

  28. Hoodlum,

    I saw the video, and I realize he references current events, but how hard would it be for some media-savvy jihadist to whip together some dailyKos talking points in to a speech, and then give the script to a ringer for OBL? For a publicity hound like Osama to have failed to produce something other than hazy video and audio to show he’s still kicking is what tells me he’s been dead for a while.

  29. I cannot think of a single thing that capturing or killing Osama would do to benefit the United States in any way, on balance.

    Well, maybe I’m just selfish, but I’d like to point out that it would stop the accusation that we haven’t been able to catch him from appearing in every freaking post about the dude.

    And that would free me up to learn origami.

    Forgive me. I’m a child of the 70s, so this is all about my interests.

  30. Are you ppl really buying that this is a new video from Osama? Have you seen the clips? Weird how they’ve only released the transcripts and not the whole video. I’ve seen one clip from the video and Osama strangely looks 20 years younger than he did in his last debut. It’s amazing, maybe I should go live in a cave for 10 years to take 20 years off my looks.

  31. Oh I didn’t say that. That was clearly labeled as my projection of what the Dem spin would be. And as for the servicemen and women who have been looking for OBL in Afghanistan, I would guess they would be significantly more annoyed at being ordered to look for him in Afghanistan while Pervez Musharraf is sipping appletinis in Manhattan and being labeled a Great Ally In The War On Terror than they would be at my blog comments.

    As for Jeff’s observation about his age, it’s been several years now since we’ve had this guy on the big list, so isn’t it possible that his people took the precaution of assembling some lookalikes and practicing their make-up and hair skills? Given his usual (VHS) video quality, wouldn’t stand-ins make sense? I guess the voice-recognition would be difficult, but would it be impossible?

  32. Get ready ppl the false flag attacks are coming. We have to justify an invasion of Iran this time around.

  33. Republicans (Rove, probably) did invent OBL, to take credit for the 9/11 attacks, but the Left isn’t fooled. They know Bush did it.

  34. I’d suggest that we try to catch him or something, but I have been reliably informed that it’s highly inappropriate for congresspersons to tell the president how to do his job, especially if it means interfering with military strategy.”

    Yeah. ’cause last time I looked the president is the commander-in-chief, not Nancy Pelosi.

  35. I love how he chastises the Democrats for not doing their job well.

  36. Does this guy even remember why he killed all those people to begin with?

    Certainly. He’s just playing the biggest card he has — the Western left. Remember, he wins if we give up, and they’re the best chance he has of getting us to give up.

    He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Kyoto, or the sub-prime mortgage market (interest is a sin, remember?), or Noam Chomsky. He just knows — or has advisors telling him; no difference — what pushes the left’s buttons.

    And, no, I’m not questioning their patriotism. They answered that question long ago.

  37. I’d like to thank Bob Weaver for making me the winner of the “how will this be spun” contest.

    From yesterday’s post:

    update: 42% of Democrats polled believe the new bin Laden tape will feature Ron Silver in a robe and theatrical beard extensions — and that anything that blows up from here on out is proof positive that Bushco is invested in keeping the phony War on Terror alive, even if it means planning stealth demolitions, or dragging Karl Rove out of retirement so that he can don his ninja gear, head to the East Village, and detonate a radiological weapon himself.

    Congrats to me!

    I understand my prize is to be a year’s supply of nuance and an all-expense paid trip to the “reality based community.”

    Must remember to pack my boogie board!

  38. Oooo! What if he’s taking Human Growth Hormone? Takes years off the physique you know. Have you seen Billy Idol recently? Looks like he’s 22.

  39. Weird Beard plays the Left like Slava did a cello, no? I half expect him to utter “two Americas” in his next missive.

  40. Have him meet me at the park later. If he can hit my fastball over the fence in one of the power alleys, I’ll consider the HGH hypothesis a possibility.

  41. What’s Osama polling in Iowa and New Hampshire, BTW?

  42. Silly kids. If Osama Bin Dead For a Long Fucking Time is alive, then I will dance, rape, pillage, and plunder today.

  43. No vial of HGH ever helped anyone put a bat on a ball.

  44. I’d suggest you throw him a Curveball. It got past the whole CIA.

  45. Well, at this point I suspect ‘capturing’ Osama would likely involve the use of shovels and cadaver dogs.

    Assuming he was still alive the only benefit of his capture would be that we would be able to watch the entirety of his silly diatribes in high def.

  46. Certainly. He’s just playing the biggest card he has — the Western left. Remember, he wins if we give up, and they’re the best chance he has of getting us to give up.

    He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Kyoto, or the sub-prime mortgage market (interest is a sin, remember?), or Noam Chomsky. He just knows — or has advisors telling him; no difference — what pushes the left’s buttons.

    And, no, I’m not questioning their patriotism. They answered that question long ago.

    First off, douche, OBL wins if we stay in Iraq and attack Iran. That pushes more people over into his camp. It’s recruiting season in Iraq and OBL has America to thank for it.

    And if by patriotism you mean blindly following the douche in the White House (I might add that I voted for him in 2000, that was before I realized how stupid he is. “I’d like to thank you for inviting me to the OPEC meeting, oh and thanks for visiting your Austrian troops in Iraq.” Lay off the pharmies W), then your right the left has never been patriotic. Of course, if we look up the word patriotism in the dictionary, “love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it;” I’d say the lefties are doing a bang up job considering they are being ridiculed and spit on by tards such as yourself for loving the this country. Oh, and by “loving this country” standing up to the domestic tyranny that is the neocon disease.

  47. OBL is hiding somewhere in the FATA, where he’ll never be found unless someone gives him up deliberately. And folks from that part of the world will die to save the life of a guest.

    So no dice. Not even the Pakistani govt. can help us with this one. Especially not the Pakistani government.

  48. I expect the Dems will spin this by saying “Hey, isn’t that the guy responsible for 9/11? He’s still alive and free? You know, I’d suggest that we try to catch him or something, but I have been reliably informed that it’s highly inappropriate for congresspersons to tell the president how to do his job, especially if it means interfering with military strategy.”

    Assuming this is really him, it’s kinda hard to catch a guy who is such a flaming coward that he hides in caves for years at a time, only to emerge once every couple of years like a jihadi groundhog to issue embarrasingly silly, Pythonesque tirades at his tormentors while urging others to do his fighting for him. If the police and FBI were looking for me, and I dug a hole in the woods, living there day in and day out, having food brought to me, sleeping in my own filth. I bet I could aviod capture indefinitely.

    But I’m a real man (Glenn, call me sometime). And homey don’t run that way.

  49. if we look up the word patriotism in the dictionary, “love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it;”

    The Left has sacrificed exactly nothing for their country with regard to the Counter-Fihad. They deny that jihad is a problem, resent the fact that Bush put us on a war footing, complain that we ought to treat it like a law-enforcement problem, then shriek like banshees when the admin has the audacity to use law-enforcement tools such as electronic surveillance to go after them.

    OBL wins if we stay in Iraq and attack Iran

    OBL wins if he gets Iraq all to himself, what with all those oil fields, strategic location, educated citizenry, and WMD-making equipment there for the taking. Then his recruiting slogan will be “We caused the USSR to fall, we chased off the USA: Allah surely is with his warriors.”

    On the other hand, if we drive them out of the land of two rivers, then what will he recruit with? His lost face?

  50. Richard Perle has said that Osama’s beard might be a fake! Based on the video’s content and the latest imaging technology, I’ve created a composite of what a clean-shaven Osama bin Laden might look like:
    http://exurbanleague.com/2007/09/07/osama-bin-lefty.aspx

  51. Every time he pops up, he provides another data point and brings his death nearer. I’d like to hear lots more from the evil old bastard.

  52. I’d say the lefties are doing a bang up job considering they are being ridiculed and spit on by tards such as yourself for loving the this country.

    So your ‘sacrifice’ consists of saying shit and then acting like a victim when people don’t agree with the shit you say?

    That is truly selfless, man…. Selfless….

  53. Whoa cool it Bob. It was a cheap shot. Let it go. And for god’s sake don’t riddle your response with typos, you sound like a crazy person. “Your” is the possessive, the contraction you want is “you’re.” Drives me friggin nuts.

    There you have it people. The fractious Left.

  54. Osama’s latest efforts indicate that he has not received the expected or necessary response from the Umma. By appealling to a political faction within the west, on their own terms, he is conceding that they have a say in how the world will be ordered. It is a weak act for someone who dreamt of a worldwide caliphate. It speaks of tiredness and desparation and will be interpreted as such by many other jihadists.

    The war on islamism will continue but he, dead or not-quite dead yet ,is still an essentially spent force of diminishing relevance.

  55. There you have it people. The fractious Left.

    Oh, I don’t know Gabe. I wouldn’t chalk that up to the “Left”.

    I think Bob is just bat-shit crazy.

  56. I think it’s Noam Chomsky in disguise. He talks like him anyway. Or maybe Dennis Kusinich.

  57. And if by patriotism you mean blindly following the douche in the White House (I might add that I voted for him in 2000, that was before I realized how stupid he is. “I’d like to thank you for inviting me to the OPEC meeting, oh and thanks for visiting your Austrian troops in Iraq.” Lay off the pharmies W), then your right the left has never been patriotic. Of course, if we look up the word patriotism in the dictionary, “love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it;” I’d say the lefties are doing a bang up job considering they are being ridiculed and spit on by tards such as yourself for loving the this country. Oh, and by “loving this country” standing up to the domestic tyranny that is the neocon disease.

    How is OBL doing now, douchenozzle? The Iraqi’s are turning against him. IF he is alive, he spends his days in constant fear that he will be caught by Coalition forces. You may claim otherwise, but the only way he can win, is if we quit. Period. End of discussion.

    The rest of your screed is either an example of full on end stage BDS, or one of the best parodies I have read in a while. Either way, instructive.

    What has the Left sacrificed?

    We could not create a better example of the lunacy of the Left that you unwittingly supplied. Thanks.

  58. I understand my prize is to be a year’s supply of nuance and an all-expense paid trip to the “reality based community.”

    Lucky dog. I understand they have the best weed.

  59. Dicentra: sitting on oil-rich land with all those fine folks on your borders is a strategic location? I’d characterize it as more like sitting in the Bad News Kennelz with your pants down and your groin smeared with bacon fat. Saddam made it work for a while, but I would be surprised if anyone else can hold that place together without taking a page or two from his domestic policies.

  60. We all know that bin Laden was in a prison in the subbasement of the White House, one floor beneath the Men in Black level. He met his demise in a no-holds-barred cage match against Rumsfeld in a TKO.

  61. The Left has sacrificed exactly nothing for their country with regard to the Counter-Fihad. They deny that jihad is a problem, resent the fact that Bush put us on a war footing, complain that we ought to treat it like a law-enforcement problem, then shriek like banshees when the admin has the audacity to use law-enforcement tools such as electronic surveillance to go after them.
    You’ve got to be kidding me. Let me guess you got all this from the “Fair and Balanced” news source, right? Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff. You should write for the Colbert Report. Frankly, I don’t see any politicians sacrificing anything. The only people I see sacrificing sons and daughters to this war are all very poor (i.e. mostly democrats and lefties). As for the “electronic surveillance,” the FBI’s own audits show that less than 5% of the warrantless wiretaps are related to terrorism. Of course, you don’t do facts do you. Spew forth your neocon emotion based attacks. Who needs logic? Your simpleton rhetoric makes my pecker stand up.

    OBL wins if he gets Iraq all to himself, what with all those oil fields, strategic location, educated citizenry, and WMD-making equipment there for the taking. Then his recruiting slogan will be “We caused the USSR to fall, we chased off the USA: Allah surely is with his warriors.”

    OBL is never going to get Iraq to himself. How about another fact for you? Since I know how you love to ignore them. The US army estimates that Al Qaeda makes up less than 10% of the fighting force in Iraq. We’re not fight Al Qaeda in Iraq. We’re fighting Iraqis that are pissed we invaded their country and won’t leave.

    On the other hand, if we drive them out of the land of two rivers, then what will he recruit with? His lost face?

    Read my last comment.

  62. “What has the Left sacrificed?”

    The loyalty and respect of Joseph Lieberman, for one. I’m not sure how we’ll ever recover from that.

  63. Oh, and by “loving this country” standing up to the domestic tyranny that is the neocon disease.

    Ohh yes, you are SO oppressed. Now, go die your hair and paint your fingernails black. I hear cutting is popular with your type too. Better go do it quick before the jackbooted thugs sent by KarlRove find out where you live.

    Spermstain.

  64. “… I love how he chastises the Democrats for not doing their job well.

    I wonder if that’s just a polite way of telling them they wont be getting their OBL Christmas Bonus Check this year?

  65. To DJ, blow me. I’m more Republican than you’ll ever be. The Iraqis are turning against OBL? They were never with him. Never have been. Never will be. He’s a Saudi for crying out loud. Iraqis hate the Saudis, but since you don’t do facts I’m sure you didn’t even know that. Maybe you should pick up a book or two about Middle Eastern relations.

    Al Qaeda was only able to enter Iraqis because we invaded the place. Al Qaeda will only be there as long as we are.

  66. What the fuck would YOU know about it?

    Let me guess, you got it from the Democrat Parties last meme about “civil war”, which is actually turning around, now that AQI has blown it by killing too many Iraqis and behaving like the Taliban in areas they once controlled.

    Man , you guys need to get some fresh arguements. These have mold on them, they’re so old and stale.

  67. Hell, I thought Jeff was “liveblogging” the video in much the same way as he did the Democratic national convention.

    And then I read the transcript.

  68. but I would be surprised if anyone else can hold that place together without taking a page or two from his domestic policies.

    Which domestic policies would those be? Diverting monies for food and medicine to himself for more castles and new rape rooms? Human experimentation in wood chippers? Random rape of women and children by his sons and henchmen?

    The only people I see sacrificing sons and daughters to this war are all very poor (i.e. mostly democrats and lefties).

    Never takes long for this tripe to be tossed out. The soldiers had no other options other than to volunteer, as they are to dumb to do anything else. And you think that most of the military are Dems or Leftists? What world do you live in?

    We’re not fight Al Qaeda in Iraq.

    Listen, fucktard. You have to tell us when you change memes. First it was Saddam had nothing to do with AQ. Then it was Saddam had no operational ties to AQ. Then, AQ was not in Iraq until we invaded. Then, Iraq became a breeding ground for AQ. Now we are not fighting AQ there? Make up your fucking minds, and get back on your meds.

    Wipe the spittle off of your monitor, and see if you still think what you wrote is rational. I would guess that it is hard to see what you are typing with drool running down your screen.

  69. I’m more Republican than you’ll ever be.

    Bullshit.

  70. We have to justify an invasion of Iran this time around.

    Two possible answers:

    1) No, we don’t. We have been in a State of War with Iran for nearly the last 28 years – since November 4, 1979, and we don’t have to justify military maneuvering in an ongoing war to anyone.

    2) Even stipulating we have to justify it, to whom would such petition be made, and what makes you think that this hypothetical person would agree (and then stick with that decision), given the instantaneous reversal of official positions on the UNSC the last time? (The financial peccadilloes as the reasons for those reversals are left to the side for the moment – it is sufficient that the flip-floppers on that council demanded that Iraq be given a “final opportunity”, and when that last chance was taken, they refused to actually force the issue because of those financial ties.)

    Oh, and by “loving this country” standing up to the domestic tyranny that is the neocon disease.

    You don’t get to define terms like that. Those on the liberal side of the aisle have been acting against the interests of the United States – and siding with the enemies of the US – for the last half century.

    Interesting, though, that you define “patriotism” as anything consisting of stopping the US from defending herself against those outside the country who seek to kill us.

    Must be that nuance I hear so much about…

  71. To SGT Ted, not oppressed you say? Then why was a peaceful demonstration forcefully broken up in DC this week? Look it up. Or how about camera crews in CA being beatin’ down for attempting to return to their vehicles at the Immigrant Demonstrations earlier this summer? Oh oh, I got one. How about the 100000 people to be added to the no fly list simply for voicing an opinion opposite to President Bush’s? No no no, we’re not being oppressed at all. Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.

  72. woops first try missing a tag.

    .We’re not fight Al Qaeda in Iraq. We’re fighting Iraqis that are pissed we invaded their country and won’t leave.

    What the fuck would YOU know about it?

    Let me guess, you got it from the Democrat Parties last meme about “civil war”, which is actually turning around, now that AQI has blown it by killing too many Iraqis and behaving like the Taliban in areas they once controlled.

    Man , you guys need to get some fresh arguements. These have mold on them, they’re so old and stale.

  73. “Al Qaeda was only able to enter Iraqis because we invaded the place.”

    You’re killin’ me Smalls.

  74. To SGT Ted, Oh yes my misguided jarhead friend. I voted for Bush in 2000. I helped vote in Bob Corker, the Republican from TN. I’ve worked on three Republican campaigns now. Shows how little you know.

  75. To SGT Ted, what the fuck would I know about it??? Nothing if I hadn’t read the Army’s assessment on the ground in Iraq. Which I can see you haven’t read by your ignorance of the topic.

  76. To SGT Ted, Oh yes my misguided jarhead friend. I voted for Bush in 2000. I helped vote in Bob Corker, the Republican from TN. I’ve worked on three Republican campaigns now. Shows how little you know.

    Well, you might want to up your medication. You are hallucinating that the LAPD and the Capital Hill PD acts as Bushes personal goon squad.

  77. I’m pretty sure Bob will be voting for Ron Paul. Seeing as how he’s such a good Republican and all.

    Hey, Bob, be sure to keep a good supply of windex around the house. Your monitor will probably become difficult to read soon (if it hasn’t already) from the dried spittle on the screen.

  78. To DJ, blow me. I’m more Republican than you’ll ever be.

    Right, how could I have ever thought otherwise, Moby. NTTAWWT, but blowing guys is not my thing. I understand that Sen. Craig, Gleen Greenwald, and Andrew Sullivan may be into that kind of thing, but you are wasting you time inviting me to engage in that with you. I prefer to have women, or goats, suck me off. Very open minded of you to like to have guys suck you off.

    AQ was in Iraq prior to our invasion, though I suspect that matters not one iota to you. Abu Nidal ring a bell? Ansar Al Islam? Zarq? When was the last time you were in Iraq, or Saudi Arabia?

    You do not even present an argument, just a laundry list of Kos talking points, that have been refuted to the point where your assertions are beyond laughable. I hope you find the help you need. Be careful, the black helicopters and Rove are watching.

  79. “Which domestic policies would those be? Diverting monies for food and medicine to himself for more castles and new rape rooms? Human experimentation in wood chippers? Random rape of women and children by his sons and henchmen?”

    Yes, those would be them. The whole “iron fist” way of doing things. Rather be feared than respected, and all that. It wasn’t always this way, but I think the current political climate in the area around Iraq sort of encourages and to a certain extent demands that sort of activity. I’m not saying it’s the only path that would work, but I think it could be considered a front-runner just based on its history of effectiveness.

  80. So… UBL invited me to embrace Islam? I invite him to come and wash my dog. Muslims hate dogs.

    UBL is commending the 19 that did NY and the Pentagon in ’01 in the present tense. So when his followers ask him, “What have you done for me lately, he has to go back six years

  81. To Drumwaster, war you say? Where is that declaration of war on Iran that congress signed in 1979? Oh, that’s right, we don’t need to follow the constitution any more when declaring war on another country.

    Also, you need to point that finger of siding with the enemy back up the chain of command. The Bush family has a long history of siding with the enemy. Beginning with Granddaddy Bush’s finical backing of Hitler in 1937. Continuing on to Daddy Bush’s establishing OBL in Afghanistan, and putting Hussein in power in Iraq…… strange how you think black is white and up is down. Brainwashed much are you.

  82. Bob,

    I’m not sure what angle you’re trying to come from here, but let me explain something to you-this is not the place to spew worn out leftist cliche’s like “all soldiers are poor, uneducated leftists” (news to my friend at Harvard law school who just finished his fourth tour before being accepted), “neocons are destroying my country” (dude, put down the pipe. The Neocon stuff is borderline DU retarded), and “the Bush government is destroying my civil liberties by blahblahablah” (while you sit here and spew your venom sans oppression), you are really at the wrong place to convince anyone of your argument. Try John Cole’s place, he’ll probably get you a date with Greenwald eventually.

  83. Bob, party of one…

  84. Also, you need to point that finger of siding with the enemy back up the chain of command. The Bush family has a long history of siding with the enemy. Beginning with Granddaddy Bush’s finical backing of Hitler in 1937. Continuing on to Daddy Bush’s establishing OBL in Afghanistan, and putting Hussein in power in Iraq…… strange how you think black is white and up is down. Brainwashed much are you.

    Ooooh, I get it now! You’re one of THOSE guys. Too rich!

    I hope you’ve laid in a good supply of tinfoil.

  85. Kneal & Bob – Well done. I am laughing so hard it hurts. My laughter is tinged with a little sadness that you consider yourself a Republican. I am sure that people like Harold Ford Jr. and Evan Bayh are embarrassed by the loony Troothers in their party, and if you are a Republican, I am embarassed that we share any commonalities whatsoever.

  86. don’t make me break out Jeff’s instant lefty boilerplate…

  87. Beginning with Granddaddy Bush’s finical backing of Hitler in 1937. Continuing on to Daddy Bush’s establishing OBL in Afghanistan, and putting Hussein in power in Iraq…… strange how you think black is white and up is down. Brainwashed much are you.

    Alllright Jeffy, you got me. Seriously, why did you let alphie back in here? Did he put in on the new dishwasher or something?

  88. Beginning with Granddaddy Bush’s finical backing of Hitler in 1937. Continuing on to Daddy Bush’s establishing OBL in Afghanistan, and putting Hussein in power in Iraq

    I realize this will be pretty much impossible for you Bob, but could you please document these three assertions? If not, I’ll have to conclude that you are indeed bat-shit crazy.

    See what I mean Gabe?

  89. To cranky-d, dude, I don’t know who or what you think I am. I could care less really. I’ve spent the last hour ROFLMAO at how easy it is to upset people with a little dose of reality that they can’t stomach.

    To everyone, thanx for the good time. I loved pissing you off. It was great fun. We’ll have to do it again some time.

    I send a special thanx out to JD for trying to claim that I’ve done nothing but regurgitate Kos talking points. Funny coming from a crony that doesn’t even make a point. Keep up the White House talking points. They make me extremely giddy to hear regurgitated by morons.

    Now go back to your own little world small minded people. These are not the droids you are looking for. I’m taking my party elsewhere. So long dicks.

  90. And Bob, please stay away from any and all repoters. The MSM would love to find someone like you to use as an example of mainstream Republican thinking. My guess is that you are not even considered mainstream within your own home. Probably more like that crazy uncle at family reunions, who mutters unintelligibly about that time he was shrooming and tripping while watching the Dead, and the fuzz killed his buzz when they arrested him for riding a tricycle southbound in the northbound lane of Highway 1.

  91. Man,

    Bob’s like Witheld on a really bad coke/mescaline binge.

  92. Amazing. He’s asked to support just a few of his assertions, and he runs away.

    Not unlike OBL.

    Strange, that.

  93. Oh, and Bob, don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

  94. I send a special thanx out to JD for trying to claim that I’ve done nothing but regurgitate Kos talking points

    BBZZZZZZZZZZ. Wrong. I did not try to claim it. I stated it. And you continue to prove me quite right.

    Please direct us to your version of reality, so we can studiously avoid it in our travels.

  95. Bob, you didn’t piss me off. You amused me with your Grade A Crazee, but that’s about it. It was like a trip back in time when the Black Helicopter New World Order crowd was ascendent.

  96. Well hold on a sec JD, Zarqawi was not really an Al Qaeda kind of guy. He was a jerk, to be sure, and he readily appropriated the Al Qaeda name when the cachet became too sweet to resist, but he wasn’t what we would consider an Al Qaeda operative prior to the US invasion. And to the extent that Al Qaeda conducted operations in Iraq at all before the invasion, they weren’t cooperating with Hussein, and at times were at loggerheads with him. The Kurdish north was pretty well unregulated, and there was room for groups to act there without official sanction.

  97. GF, are you some kind of Al Qaeda purist? Blow up kids, you’re an Al Qaeda kinda guy.

    Some things are simple.

  98. >
    The only people I see sacrificing sons and daughters to this war are all very poor (i.e. mostly democrats and lefties).
    >

    Man, this guy has never been to Palo Alto or San Francisco.

  99. GF, are you some kind of Al Qaeda purist? Blow up kids, you’re an Al Qaeda kinda guy.

    You beat me to it hf. I was going to point out that AQ really didn’t have a secret decoder-ring and handshake. They’re just homicidal nuts.

  100. At the risk of jumping the shark, I would like to point out that Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush’s dealings with German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen are documented, you can look that up. The relevance to the current era is shaky, but Bob isn’t entirely wrong on that point. I don’t think they were evil, they were just making money in questionably ethical/legal ways. Not uncommon. But it’s Friday, so I’m signing off.

  101. GF is just explaining that it’s all about the nuance in a People’s Front of Judea sort of way.

  102. Ugh. Yes, I am an Al Qaeda purist, if you want to put it that way. They’re a particular group of homicidal nuts. Keeping said groups distinct in your mind is important if you’re fighting them. Because of the NUANCE.

  103. Because of the NUANCE.

    SPLITTER!

  104. GF,

    The Nazi/Prescott Bush stuff is a stretch. Cecil at the Straight Dope spells it out-

    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html

    excerpt –So, did Bush and his firm finance the Nazis and enable Germany to rearm? Indirectly, yes. But they had a lot of company. Some of the most distinguished names in American business had investments or subsidiaries in prewar Germany, including Standard Oil and General Motors. Critics have argued for years that without U.S. money, the Nazis could never have waged war. But American business has always invested in totalitarian regimes–witness our dealings with mainland China.

    Loftus tells me there’s more to it than that. He says that the value of German industrial assets in which Bush and friends invested increased during World War II, in part due to slave labor, and that Bush benefited from this increase when the assets were returned–supposedly he got $1.5 million when UBC was liquidated in 1951. I’ll buy the claim that Bush got his share of UBC back–it was an American bank, after all–but the idea that his German holdings increased in value despite being obliterated by Allied bombs is ridiculous.

  105. I guess it gets nuancey, if you’re fighting them. I don’t fight the terrorists much. I’m in marketing. We have simple categories. Busy Beavers. Young Strivers. Fit and Forty. People Who Blow Up Kids.

  106. Gabriel – Ansar Al Islam was a terrorist training camp. Whether or not Zarq was officially affiliated is trivial in comparison to the fact that Saddam allowed these terrorist training camps to operate, unopposed, within his borders. Are we to believe that he operated his government with an iron fist, and had used WMD’s on the Kurds previously, but was unable to address terrorist organizations operating there?

  107. Does nuance really matter one fuckin’ bit? We are in a fight against terrorism, not only specifically AQ terrorists. Gabriel can spend all the time differentiating amongst all of the groups that wish harm upon us and our troops, but in the end, it makes little difference.

  108. Just because Bob voted for a couple Republicans does not make him one. That was some good krazee, the likes of which we have not seen in a while. I think it was only 5 posts until he got to Prescott Bush financing Hitler.

    If Bob is a Republican, I am Gleeen Greenwald.

  109. I would like to point out that Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush’s dealings with German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen are documented, you can look that up.

    Have a good weekend.

    But isn’t that a bit tenuous for a jump to “financed Hitler in 1937?” Maybe. Indirectly, at best.

    As opposed to the ever growing China/Clinton connection…

    But, seeing as how the left sets the standard I guess well just run with it and scream about Hilary being financed by maoist totalitarians.

  110. He sounded like an angry little guy.

  111. I’m amused that he thinks anyone here was upset by him. I was laughing at the self-parody that is little Bobby.

    Sure, we’ve seen it all before, but it is summer re-run time.

  112. Your simpleton rhetoric makes my pecker stand up.

    Then why are you being so mean to us, Mr. Weaver?

  113. MyNet has started the new season already, and Fox kicks off the new season of Cops/AMW tomorrow night.

  114. “The only people I see sacrificing sons and daughters to this war are all very poor (i.e. mostly democrats and lefties).”

    My son, Matt the Marine, sends you a big hearty “FOAD, jerkoff.”

  115. Your simpleton rhetoric makes my pecker stand up.

    I guess thats why he wanted the blowjob, JD. He must’ve been uncomfortable.

  116. So…

    How ’bout them Mets, huh?

  117. Oh, and did Osama just throw his turban into the Democratic ring?

  118. OBL, a Truther, huh? Well, there goes all the respect I may have ever had for him…

  119. Comment by Drumwaster on 9/7 @ 3:36 pm
    We have to justify an invasion of Iran this time around.

    Two possible answers:

    1) No, we don’t. We have been in a State of War with Iran for nearly the last 28 years – since November 4, 1979, and we don’t have to justify military maneuvering in an ongoing war to anyone.

    If this is true, have we arrested George Senior, Ollie North, Cap Weinberger, Elliott Abrams and the entire Iran-Contra crowd? ‘Cause if we were at war since 1979, then the TOW’s they sent to Iran in ’85 and ’86 were trading arms to an enemy and would open the door for a treason charge.

    ‘Course, I always suspected Ollie was a bit more than the shyster crook he pretends to be….Drumwaster and his foolish comment might have some purpose!

    It’s a compromise, Cheney and the Right get the war they wanted all along and the Left gets the scalps of the folks they’ve hated and slandered for almost 30 years.

  120. What, Bob left? I wanted to ask why his cousin Charlie isn’t on “Hollywood Squares” anymore.

  121. Then why was a peaceful demonstration forcefully broken up in DC this week? Look it up.

    Doesn’t work that way. You are responsible for providing the evidence for your claim. Link it.

    Or how about camera crews in CA being beatin’ down for attempting to return to their vehicles at the Immigrant Demonstrations earlier this summer?

    That has what, exactly to do with Bush?

    Oh oh, I got one. How about the 100000 people to be added to the no fly list simply for voicing an opinion opposite to President Bush’s?

    Again, provide proof.

    So far all you’ve got is nutroots myths and paranoia. No evidence, just hyperbole — “domestic tyranny”? Do you have any idea what real tyranny is like? Or are you so intent on starring in your own “V for Vendetta” romance that you wrap yourself in the fantasy of oppression?

  122. “Oh, and did Osama just throw his turban into the Democratic ring?”

    I had the same thought. How much daylight is there between “Osama’s” talking points and, say, Dennis Kucinich?

  123. But, seeing as how the left sets the standard I guess well just run with it and scream about Hilary being financed by maoist totalitarians.

    Has anyone really established where Hsu’s money came from? Or the Buddhist monks’? Or any of the other foreigners who have chipped into the Clintons’ campaigns?

  124. No, Rob Crawford, they have not. The media would actually have to care that they are flaunting the campaign finance laws in order to actually undertake an investigation of them.

  125. “…not oppressed you say? Then why was a peaceful demonstration forcefully broken up in DC this week? Look it up. Or how about camera crews in CA being beatin’ down for attempting to return to their vehicles at the Immigrant Demonstrations earlier this summer? Oh oh, I got one. How about the 100000 people to be added to the no fly list simply for voicing an opinion opposite to President Bush’s? No no no, we’re not being oppressed at all…”

    Don’t forget about the unlawful search and seizure in Brooklyn, Ohio…

    /ducks behind couch before JHoward and SarahW find something to throw;p

  126. – Weaver…..Weaver…… Hmmmm….. might be that dill-headed dude that got his family all shot up, marching to a “different” drum. Weasn’t he one of those dipshits that thinks the Aryian Brotherhood is the only path to heaven, and props them up even above tha good Kossacks at DailyKos?

    – Old third time around retread Marxist talking points. Sheess has the quality of trolls gone downhill around here since the surge.

    – Dem Congressmen screeching about cutting off funding, Reid lamenting on gawd nos what, Obama playing chickenhawk…. Does anyone else smell the caustic aroma of panic?

  127. Hsu may have been a grifter. Just another hustler drawn to Clinton by affinity. Powerline had an interesting blurb on it.

    Or he’s a ChiCom demon who hacked the Pentagon when he wasn’t drivin’ Miz Hillary.

  128. Osama bin Chomsky. Like the android in Alien, only stupid.

  129. Bob’s like Witheld on a really bad coke/mescaline binge.

    I really miss Witheld. But the difference between him and Weaver is that Witheld was clever, nuanced, and above all, entertaining.

    Weaver just gives me a headache.

  130. If Bob is a Republican, I am Gleeen Greenwald.

    Heck, who isn’t Gleen these days?

  131. “Weaver…..Weaver…… Hmmmm….. might be that dill-headed dude that got his family all shot up, marching to a “different” drum.”

    Randy Weaver was a former Green Beret, his wife and child were killed by Federal Agents. Whether he asked for it or not is a matter of perspective.

  132. At the very least, they might want to send him a fruit basket.

    “Candygram for Mr. Mongo…”

  133. And Randy Weaver was a white separatist as opposed to the supremacists and was not affiliated with the Aryans.

  134. NBC Headline:

    Bush’s ‘Bumpersticker War on Terrorism’ has failed to capture Terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden!

  135. B moe ducks, before JHoward and SarahW find something to throw;p

    I’ve got a fever, the only prescription wasn’t those stuffed grape leaves and taboule and artichokes and yogurt and humus macarons and acai berry ice-pop and another yogurt and Is that some candied ginger in the back of the cabinet from last Christmas? and a broccoli beef lean cuisine and score! Chocolate sprinkles and some oooh, I don’t feel so well.

    You better duck like a GALLAGHER groupie, Bmoe

  136. – Sorry Moe…Nobody who willingly puts his family’s life in danger, and in fact gets them killed for want of answering a few legitamate charges, gets a pass from Moi, perspective be damned.

    – But lets save our passions for the newest Dem pres. candidate Barrack-O’BinLadin….Besides…. a little makeup, and hes not that far from a good Hiilery impersonation. Sure as hell delivers the Lefts talking points with aplumb…. How do the crazies deal with that so fecklessly.

  137. “Nobody who willingly puts his family’s life in danger, and in fact gets them killed for want of answering a few legitamate charges…”

    Here is a fairly good account:

    http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/randy_weaver/1.html

    Explain to me where the juries were wrong.

  138. To be honest, Bob could be a Republican. Spend just an hour or two at Takimag.com or American Conservative and all that spittle flecked garbage would be confirmed. Those people (Buchanon repubs) hate Bush. Absolutely loathe him as much as the nutbag left does. It’s a strange thing. I know I have brought this up before, but so do the Lew Rockwell Libertarians. I can’t even begin to understand this hate. I wasn’t for the escalation of the battle in Iraq (for reasons completely different than the anti-war asswipes) and there is PLENTY that I disagree with President Bush about, but I just don’t understand this visceral reaction to him. This hate is unbelievable.

    But onto the post. It is hilarious that OBL, or his double, is making dem talking points. I would be embarrased if I was a dem. I won’t conflate that asshole with all dems (I’m thinking of dems like G. Fry, who seems like a stand up guy), but to too many of the whacked left dems, there is a kindred spirit thing going on with OBL. That is fucked up.

    Totally OT, but if anyone is looking for a very good IPA beer, try the Magic Hat H I.P.A! This is some good stuff. Very hoppy, as well as malty, with a clean and lasting finish. I give it a hearty thumbs up.

    BTW, what happened to the touring word thingy?

  139. “The only people I see sacrificing sons and daughters to this war are all very poor (i.e. mostly democrats and lefties).”

    Then you haven’t seen much of the Army I serve in – you know, the United States Army…

    I, and almost all the Afghans I dealt with, became convinced that UBL became Purina Vulture Chow long ago. I’m sticking to that position.

  140. – Short answer….The Feds were morons, possibly over zealous murderers…..but he was an idiot….and his family payed for his idiocies…..Damning the stupid actions of a Fed gone wild doesn’t let him off the hook…..You saying you’d do that to your family for ANY reason?….Guess we’ll just have to disagree if you do…..

  141. man, this is a long thread…

    I understand my prize is to be a year’s supply of nuance and an all-expense paid trip to the “reality based community.”

    Must remember to pack my boogie board! and don’t for get the Reynold”s wrap so you can partake in the tinfoil hat contest!

  142. So — did Osama get ahold of some Grecian-Formula or what?

  143. I am saying being an idiot isn’t a capital offense, and the Feds killed his family, he didn’t.

  144. He needs a new speechwriter..This guy is spending too much time on Kos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yahiye_Gadahn

  145. – No….insiders from his dresing room say it was “Just for Jihadists”…. The eyebrows need a little work…..

  146. This is an interesting echo chamber you got here, JG, lol.

  147. Osama bin maggot could win several democrat straw polls I’m sure.

  148. – Make a hoot photoshop…..the early August Dem poll, showing Osama Yo-Mama leading all the candidates, and neck and neck with Hildebeast. For sure he’d pick her for running mate. Look how much he owes to her hubby.

  149. …there is PLENTY that I disagree with President Bush about, but I just don’t understand this visceral reaction to him. This hate is unbelievable.

    Oh, it’s believable.

    The groups you mention are remnants — the Buchananites of the Teddy Roosevelt imperialists, the Rockwellians from the wealthy-liberal original base of the Republican Party. Are you old enough to remember when a Vermonter or upstate New Yorker was likely to be a “Rock-Ribbed Republican”? Most of them went over to the Democrats in the Fifties, which is where Blue State Democrats come from, but there is a remnant, and they hate Bush for the same reason Massachusetts Democrats do.

    By family ties and upbringing George Bush should be one of them, a minor scion of a long line of mutually incestuous rich families, indistinguishable from John Kerry or a minor Kennedy without careful chemical analysis. His mother is a Pierce (as in “Franklin Pierce”) for goodness sake! But instead of following his true calling, he went off and started mixing with the damned Texans, got corrupted, and abandoned his heritage.

    There’s nothing more challenging to a True Believer than an apostate. Not only is the apostate troublesome on his own, there’s also a strong element of fear involved — he isn’t that different from me! It could happen to me, or my children! Destroy!

    Regards,
    Ric

  150. Must remember to pack my boogie board!

    Forget the board. Dem Cong, Viet Cong, it’s all the same.

    Charlie don’t surf.

  151. Have you guys seen the “poll” results?

    The question: Is there a perverse confluence of interests functionally uniting Bush and Bin Laden?

    So far, the results are (in order of preference):

    31% – “The whole thing is a highly orchestrated plot from day one.”
    30% – “That’s nuts, no way….. these guys are absolute enemies!”
    15% – “They know what’s going on and ignore the dynamic with a ‘wink wink nudge nudge’.”
    12% – “Obviously, they feed into each other’s power by riling up their bases; but it’s unintentional/unconscious.”
    7% – “There are actually back channel contacts consciously conspiring where there is an direct overlap of interests.”
    2% – “To some limited extent, it may seem so; but it’s just a coincidence.”

    So, we have 53-44 in favor of Bush and Osama “actively plotting” over “coincidence” that bin Laden puts out a video “so close to an election” (14 months is “so close”?).

    I question the timing of their questioning the timing.

  152. As usual Ric, your comment is most appreciated. I have often thought that a great deal of the “hatred” was borne out of why is Bush the junior a Republican (IOW, an apostate).

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  154. Finally .. a Democrat in favor of tax cuts.

  155. Actually the President ia a very old style WASP; not unlike Teddy Roosevelt was in his day. TR was a ‘progressive’ in a McCainiac
    sort of way; a compassionate conservative. He was effectively the
    “Wolfowitz of the late 19th Century in the Navy Department outgaming
    the likes of Secretary Long. He had his eyes on Cuba years before the
    Maine and the Phillipines; well MCkinley wasn’t game on that idea. He’s very much in the mold of Time’s Henry Luce; whose 1940s editorials would seem beligerent to the Standards own board; of which they subconsciously aspire to.Look who the liberals pick as their alternative Wasps; Howling Howard of the Dean fortune and Pan Am family ties; and John Kerry; a man whose affected lockjaw makes WF. Buckley seem like a cowboy. Ironically Buckley born in New Orleans, son of an ole Texas oil man; is the reverse of the typical WASP.

  156. Yeah, narciso, ironic, ain’t it?

    Twang and all, what George Bush is, is a throwback — a liberal Republican of precisely the philosophy that mainstream Northeastern Democrats now espouse. (Don’t let the Kos Kidz fool you.) There’s ‘way more Wilkie in W than first meets the eye. That’s why the conservative base has problems sometimes with him.

    TR is the wrong comparison in one fairly strong way: Teddy was an imperialist. Bush is not. It could be argued that TR wouldn’t be, today, after the experiences of the Twentieth Century rendered imperialism moot, and if you allow that the comparison is very apt.

    For Democratic Party politicos this is a real problem. Bush’s policies and proposals are more Democratic Party than a lot of Democrats are, and if mainstream Democrats noticed that W would have gained crossover votes and even a few converts. So they take the existing apostate-fear, mix thoroughly with the sneering bigotry many Blue Staters feel for their “country cousins”, and fan with vigor. It’s a strictly political calculation having nothing to do with policy or philosophy; the politicos know that in reality Bush comes closer to representing the mainstream of thought among their constituencies, and they have to keep anybody from noticing that.

    Regards,
    Ric

  157. THAT’S NOT BIN LADEN.
    (1) His nose is too fat and long. (2) His shoulders are narrow and sloped. In previous videos Bin Laden’s were square and wide. (3) His voice is stilted and emotionless, and he sticks closely to a script. In the past, Bin Laden was animated and spontaneous, with very little script. (3) He shows almost no hand gestures, almost none at all, whereas previous videos show Bin Laden gesturing effusively, and using his hand gestures as a nunaced contribution to the message. (4) This person shows no upper body movement, whereas previous videos of Bin Laden show him moving constantly, rocking, swaying, almost jumping up to make a point. (5) The voice is wrong. It is slow, sonorous, uninflected, there is nothing intellectually nimble about it. Bin Laden was quick, charismatic, and his speech constantly changed in volume and pitch as he drove home his many nuanced points. (6) This speaker is clearly not very intelligent, he lacks the smooth and nuanced articulatory apparatus of an intelligent person, whereas Bin Laden was clearly extremely intelligent.

    Honestly, if you compare this sonorous “Speech from the Throne” to the last verified video taken of Bin Laden in October, 2001, it is not the same person.

    I’ve just put together a quick comparison between Osama in Oct 2001, and this one, Sept 2007.

    http://www.box.net/shared/7dnvimtb5z

    On there I’ve put 2 pics side by side of OBL. The file is called OBL pics.ppt

    I tell you it’s not the same guy. Look for yourself. The shoulders are obviously different. There is absolutely nothing charismatic about this speaker. OBL was riveting, this guy is fabulously boring.

    OBL is dead.

    Pro Patria

  158. “I liked where he called out the Dems for not doing their jobs very well. I hate to admit that in that isolated point, he and I are in agreement.”

    You have no idea what you are saying, do you? Your ignorance is fucking epic in scale.

  159. Guys, the video is a fake. I think our propagandist secret department is getting lazy.

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  161. Ric Locke,

    I always enjoy reading your comments.

  162. Oh man, I go out for the evening and come back and all the good comments are taken…

  163. I had to comment on this glaring statement of idiocy from the Weaver lunatic:

    “The Iraqis are turning against OBL? They were never with him. Never have been. Never will be. He’s a Saudi for crying out loud. Iraqis hate the Saudis, but since you don’t do facts I’m sure you didn’t even know that. Maybe you should pick up a book or two about Middle Eastern relations.”

    As anyone with even a cursory familiarity with OBL would know, he is a Yemeni. The family made its fortune in SA, but they were originally from Yemen. Weaver, you’re an idiot, just for starters. The video is obviously Kucinich in drag, fwiw.

  164. You’ve got to love the Kossaks. From the link in Jeff’s last update:

    Let’s face it, nearly all that this bizarre, banal, corrupt and incomptent administration has done since 9-11 has served to embolden, encourage, enlarge and empower Al Qaeda.

    Which is why we’ve had massive terrorist attacks from what the writer calls “these…absolute losers” in Los Angeles, Boston, Dallas, and Chicago since 2001. Oh, wait…

    I also love the fact that our Kos diarist, Nick Lento, makes sure to lay out the idea that he doesn’t believe that there is a conspiracy between the Bush administration and Bin Laden after noting that, “Osama usually pulls this crap near an election to remind Americans of how much he hates George Bush, and to threaten and/or insult us as a people and as a nation.” He also notes, before claiming that there is no overt conspiracy that he doubts the timing of these video releases are a “coincidence” (his quotation marks, which he also uses to describe “people” like Ann Coulter and Bin Laden’s “message”).

    I, for one, think he has a point. I mean, city council elections here in my town are just a couple of months away. And, while the seats on the city council are supposedly “non-partisan,” I can tell which of the phonies who are running for the two seats in action are neo-cons who are shilling for the military and petro-chemical industrial complexes.

  165. Those on the liberal side of the aisle have been acting against the interests of the United States – and siding with the enemies of the US – for the last half century.

    You don’t go back nearly far enough. The current incarnation of the Democrat party is a faithful re-creation of the Civil War Copperheads… right down to the names they call the President.

    “Abe the Ape”
    “Smirking Chimp”

    Democrats and slavery: friends forever.

  166. “Let’s face it, nearly all that this bizarre, banal, corrupt and incomptent administration has done since 9-11 has served to embolden, encourage, enlarge and empower Al Qaeda.”

    I love this stuff. How does dying in mass numbers equal “emboldening, encouraging, enlarging and empowering” these idiots. I guess I could see “encouraging” as these jihadis do love to die for their man allah. But the other things just go to show the complete stupidity of that, and thousands of others, particular kostard.

  167. Finally read the whole thing and if he had only dropped the tax talk and mentioned Cheney more it would have been just like Thanksgiving at my sister’s house.

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  169. Guys, the video is a fake. I think our propagandist secret department is getting lazy.
    How can it be? Richard Clarke said it was real and therefore ObL is alive and well. I, for one, refuse to believe that the great Richard Clarke could be fooled. *cough*

    Anyway, I couldn’t find any actual news report about jack-booted thugs breaking up a ‘peaceful anti war demonstration in Washington, DC’ within the last week; neither Google News nor Ask.com turned up a peep. I’m guessing the WashingPost, Washington Times or even the Examiner whould have been interested in such an event. They simply must have missed it among all the other jack-booted thuggery around the capital. Or maybe it never actually happened, they way “Bob” (was it?) would have you believe.

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  171. Ford Motor Co. had a plant in Germany. It also had a plant in England. In 1937 it wasn’t illegal to have commercial contracts with German firms – either which way – German firms could invest in the USA also. The only way any of Bob’s allegations would make sense is if the USAAF and the RAF tried hard to make sure that their bombs didn’t fall on any of Fords German holdings. I have never heard that.

    And if(I am speculating) the US government compensated US companies for their losses in seized/destroyed holdings in countries the US went to war with during WWII, then your complaint is better directed at the US Congress of that time. Although I will mention that an oil company tried to have the US government compensate it for destruction of its facilities upon order of the US Army and was denied that by the US Supreme Court. (Retreating US troops in the Phillippines commissioned a refinery’s engineers as US Army officers (Merry Christmas! You’ve been drafted!) and had them destroy the plant in Manila before it fell. The destruction was not compensatable under law at that time as it was due to the actions of an enemy – despite the destruction being ordered by the US Army command in the Phillippines. Actualy, drafting and commissioning the engineers protected them under international law because they became soldiers acting under orders and not sabatoeurs. For what little protection that offered vis-a-vis the Japanese idea of proper behavior.)

    “My Gosh! The infamy! Two years before WWII started in Europe an American bank had dealings with a German firm! Four years before Germany declared war on the USA! When will this Bush crime family be stopped?”

    Please spare me.

  172. “Your simpleton rhetoric makes my pecker stand up…”

    …and sets his toes to tappin’!

  173. Ric: I agree – GWB is Rooseveltian. Both Theodore and Franklin had expansive views of the USA’s role on the world stage. Both of them leveraged military force to do so. (Great White Fleet) Both had expansionistic views of the national government in domestic life.

    And neither were apologetic about any of that. The USA was to be a great power, present and active in the world, a force always to be reckoned with in the chancelleries of other nations; and a referree and handicapper in the domestic disputes. All three are active, aggressiv executives of the late nineteenth century – early twentieth century mold.

    It is a relief to have someone as articulate as you state what I have been thinking. It sort of spurs my own mind to coalesce its thoughts.

    Regards,
    Mikey NTH

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  175. —-Daddy Bush’s establishing OBL in Afghanistan

    Wackity wackity — A lefty myth. Read the Looming Tower. OBL is from a monied family and established himself with his Arabic followers. They were militarily ineffective and thus looked down upon by the Afghans doing the heavy lifting in fighting the godless Russian socialists. Osamma and his wienies were just better at publicity – but had no connection to the CIA.

    Slobering lefty!

    —and putting Hussein in power in Iraq

    Neat trick President George HW Bush putting Saddam in power in 1974
    “”””When an uprising of Kurdish rebels (supported by Iran) broke out in 1974, Hussein’s cruelty became unbounded, totally destroying the Kurdish cities of Sakho and Qala’at Diza and resulting in the disappearance of more than 8000 civilians.”””
    http://www.dictatorofthemonth.com/Saddam/Mar2006SaddamEN.htm

    when he was not President – Not Director of the CIA – but Ambassador to the UN.

  176. when he was not President – Not Director of the CIA – but Ambassador to the UN.

    Well, remember, these are people who think he could requisition a U.S. government SR-71 for a secret overseas flight, to negotiate with the Iranian mullarchy to not release the hostages until after the 1980 presidential election — while both he and Ronald Reagan were private citizens.

  177. Well, remember, these are people who think he could requisition a U.S. government SR-71 for a secret overseas flight, to negotiate

    Shhhh….Its Karl Rove’s time machine at work.

  178. Man, I miss out on the best spittle-flecked diatribes.

    This one had almost all the memes, as well. 100% pure narrative, delivered in one projectile dose, including declaring victory during retreat.

    Maybe next time.

  179. “The only people I see sacrificing sons and daughters to this war are all very poor (i.e. mostly democrats and lefties).”

    … seriously?

    What planet are you from?

  180. happyfeet – I am going to Houston the day after Christmas for a Vietnamese wedding. Should be better than this arctic blast in flyover country.

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  182. OBL must be dead by now. He had serious health problems early in the decade. The tapes were prerecorded I bet. All the tapes are doing is making the terrorists look silly anyway. They always seem to say how evil we are and how we’re all going to die. But it’s been almost 9 years and were still standing.

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