over Rush, and of the recent unpleasantness, is available at the Sundries Shack.
At Cold Fury, Noel’s post goes through some of the memorable arguments from the principals.
Also soliciting recipes for a Stern (or Stiff, if you prefer) Cockpunch, so that Jeff can serve that up for y’all in Chicago.
Rahm Emanuel: Stop them, with every means in my power!
Donald Douglas has a post up with a link to Kathy Shaidle that I hadn’t seen before. And don’t look now, but Ace has been sucked into the vortex. Tar baby.
To misquote Jeff’s favorite novel: [Offering a tray] “Gentlemen, your asses.”
Mike at Vandyright thinks this . . . conversation is an important one.
I happened to hear it on the radio, so I was surprised by the backlash on the right. It made no sense.
I suspect Patterico realizes he stepped in it a bit. David Frum, unfortunately not. I have no problems with moderate republicans (especially in the Northeast and other liberal enclaves) running. That is smart and makes sense. What does not make sense is apologizing for core principals.
Obama is the one who is wrong on this issue, not Rush.
David Frum has an article in Newsweek. If he doesn’t realize he’s stepped in the shit, let him drown.
My entry is a variation on the Singapore Sling:
1/2 oz grenadine syrup
1 oz gin
sweet and sour mix
club soda
1/2 oz apricot brandy
1/2 oz dark rum
Pour grenadine into the bottom of a collins (c’est moi) glass, and fill with ice. Add gin, and almost-fill with equal parts of sweet and sour and chilled soda. Top with apricot brandy, and serve unstirred, garnished with a cherry.
This longtime lurker thinks Jimmie has it about right. Nobody who heard Limbaugh’s speech in its entirety could be confused by his meaning.
Patterico seems not to understand that it does not matter how one phrases the argument, the left will mischaracterize it. And if I can be permitted some amateur diagnosis, I think he exhibited an occupational hazard of lawyers – he became too invested in parsing on behalf of his argument and forgot about the truth.
It was unfortunate that the egos then took over.
Please, everybody, stop this shit. With mendacious (er, sorry, I guess mendoucheous is preferred here) people like Frum, Steele, et al. supposedly on our side, we’ll need all hands to turn this around.
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Also soliciting recipes for a Stern (or Stiff, if you prefer) Cockpunch, so that Jeff can serve that up for y’all in Chicago.
A G-string of the softest doe leather and Jasmine-scented sesame-seed oil has to figure somewhere in there.
Cock Punch:
Half gallon of strong coffee
Fifth of Bailey’s
Fifth of Kahlua
Fifth of Jager
Fifth of Vodka
Two eight balls of coke.
I am so sick of this. Patterico, and the worse offenders, are really just revealing their own insecurities. The guy speaks off the cuff for 15 hours every week and even at that the left needs to contrive issues by twisting his words. The Obama Spanish language campaign commercial last fall anyone?
This was a perfect opportunity to turn things on teh teleprompter Jesus who can’t speak extemporaneously for a nanosecond without revealing his true self and looking like a raving jackass.
If people like Frum et al. had any testicular fortitude they could have
minimized Rush being the de facto head of the GOP (as the dems were pushing) by emphasizing Rush is an entertainer. It doesn’t necessarily minimize him. But they easily could have turned this back on Obama, and the fact that they didn’t is their betrayal to the cause.
Abe Froman, as sausage king of Chicago, why didn’t you crush Obama when you had the chance!
My recipe is kind of complicated, but if you remember that it is important – nay, essential – to prevent to rooster from seeing the blender, you’ll do okay.
Frum, like Brooks, wants to be accepted in Georgetown. These are the same Republicans who turned on Sarah Palin. That’s really all you need to know. The same people who turned on Palin are the same crowd of Petainists who want to buy peace (a piece of the Rhineland, a piece of the Sudetenland) with the Left. They think that by doing so that they can “control Hitler”, as it were.
Addled nonsense from weak men who don’t belong in the Conservative Movement. How do we know this? Andrew Sullivan says we should listen to them.
Joe I couldn’t because I’m a super secret Republican and Blago and Baracky helped me corner the Kielbasa market in exchange for unlimited use of my meatmobile for campaign purposes.
LOL, section9. That is all we know on Earth and all we need to know.
Let’s be clear, these are the Bush Republicans who backed GW when it was cool, and then turned on him when the going got rough. Same thing with Sarah. I suspect Palin gets this in spades.
1 shot mezcal con gusano
1 shot ouzo
1 shot slivovitz
1 shot arrack
1 shot high-proof rum
1 shot genyoowine Ozarks corn likker (Appalachian-style or Irish poteen can be substituted if needed)
Garnish with peyote buttons and serve in a super-heavy mug — the kind which makes a dandy improvised bludgeon.
This, by the way, gets back to how important Palin is and why she keeps getting attacked by the Alinskyites. She’s actually a much better instinctive pol than Zero. The Left gets this, which is why they are afraid of her.
BTW, McCain has become such a rough and tough customer in the Senate lately because he knows he has a tough reelect coming in 2010.
No dice, John. Nobody’s fooled.
I hope McCain wins his seat. The alternative is a democrat. He is not going to run again for President.
In short, what Robert Stacy McCain wrote on his blog I reproduce here, just to get it across to those, like Frum and George Will, who don’t have a fucking clue what we’re up against:
Au Contraire, Robert! Welcome to Radio Free America!
“Another day closer to victory!”
Okay, so do I, but only because we need the numbers. But McCain became a creature of Washington and expected the Press Corps to love him because of what he did to Bush in 2000. He was astonished when the New York Times and his entire Bus Crew from 2K turned on him and started peddling Obama talking points. He didn’t get it. He was the Republican and he was In The Way.
How fucking clueless can a Republican get. Oh, of course….and not be a member of the George W. Bush communications staff, that is.
I noticed McCain ceased to exist in the media eye on November 5.
Palin gets another hit piece aimed at her every couple of weeks.
Wonder why that is? It’s like McCain SERVED HIS PURPOSE or something.
I hope he retires. McCain being replaced by a Democrat would mean… well, nothing. Open borders, speech controls, and being Mr. Reach Around… oops, sorry, “reach across” – the party loses nothing.
I think Salon had an article last week wondering why McCain had all of a sudden started acting like such a jerk, but I couldn’t bring myself to read it.
Gabe calls for a truce:
Even though I don’t agree with Patterico on this issue, I do realize that a successful resurgence of Conservatism in America will require a truce between the Protein Wisdom and Patterico’s Pontifications factions of the movement. Even though Patterico thinks that Rush Limbaugh made a mistake here, he’s still “one of us” and we should be trying to convince him that his position is mistaken rather than firing up the rhetorical wood chipper that we use on apostates.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/283971.php
That’s nice, but how’s about letting Jeff in on the action a little?
The phrase was ‘never waste a crisis’. History says that sometimes a crisis wastes you. Ask Robespierre how the Terror worked out.
I will take McCain anyday over that lame dick Senator you have in Utah. Seriously, are you stupid? (I am sorry to go perjoritive but this is just beyond dumb). You would give up McCain’s seat to the Dems because he does not agree with you 100%. At least he is a fiscal conservative. I suppose Norm Coleman should just conceed and give up to Al Franken too.
I do not want McCain to run for President. But I sure as hell do not want another Democrat taking his place in the Senate. I am all for him facing a stiff primary challenge if you have a candidate who can win, but otherwise try to use that gray fatty matter on the top of your neck.
Rush Limbaugh Roundup! …
I should probably quit blogging about Rush Limbaugh, considering my most recent iteration! But there’s more good stuff going around,…
“The phrase was ‘never waste a crisis’. ”
Becasue crisis calls for action.
And “Action” is the apotheosis of fascist thought.
Hi Joe, my name is Andy and I live in central Utah.
Orem, to be exact. My senator is Orrin Hatch. He’ll be retiring in four years. The senator you must be referring to, since I am left to guess, must be Bennett, because he’s the more “realist” of the two we have. Yes, Uncle Orrin wanted to horse trade for another Utah house seat (that we’ve been owed since the last census, but that is another issue entirely) but Uncle Bob has simply gone quietly about his business keeping MLM businesses covered and resisting every effort to even bring up illegal immigration in public debate.
He’s one of those fucking useless bastards that hears “Senator, what can we do about illegal immigration? It’s killing our schools, hospitals, and social services.” and throws up his hands and shouts “You can’t deport nine/twelve/fifteen gillion people!”.
He’s not doing his job. So he needs to go. So, by accident, you are probably right.
But I don’t see where I’m stupid, Joe. Your guy, who I can’t quite parse as being even a lesser of evils, is a joke – a bad, sad joke – of a Republican. Has been for decades.
I don’t agree with surrendering the sovereignty of this nation in favor of appeasing open border advocates. That’s before my objections to subsidizing Mexico’s failed state – that’s their business, really.
I don’t agree with legislation (that has since past Supreme Court muster) that restricts the ability of citizens to participate in political speech. Government defined quotas and time tables for who can say what about who. Wasn’t there something about “the government shall not” regarding speech? It’s all so hard to get straight, since we actually have to go out and read that stuff ourselves now.
(If George Bush is so inclined, I’m looking forward to his memoirs in twenty years or so. I expect him to count his failure to veto CFR as a low point of his presidency. I’m sure the logic was “this sucks, but it will be alright because the Supremes won’t look at this twice before THEY DO THE RIGHT THING and can it”. A lesson learned, there: If you don’t do your duty, who are you to bitch about the next guy punting, too?)
But somehow you think McCain is different – hell, somehow he’s better, than any rank and file Democrat? Just because he has an “R” after his name?
Just who is stupid here, Joe?
Geeze.
It’s time for McCain to be defeated. I’m tired of my ex-home state suffering such a fool.
I respect his service and sacrifice, but please, man, just leave the Senate and play some nice golf in Scottsdale. You’ve earned it!
The ass end of it, too.
I’m insufficiently cynical to have predicted the Republican sucker quotient on this one. Obama’s guys weren’t.
Judged it just right. Wound it up, watchin’ it go.
They’re worse than me, and right, and runnin’ shit.
That’s…not unprecedented.
I’ll be in my bunker.
Keeping a forest healthy means the dead wood has to be cleared out. In nature, it means a forest fire. In Congress, it means Bennett and McCain need to go, just as it meant Ted Stevens had to go.
“At least he is a fiscal conservative.”
Is he, now? Tell me one time, before this year, when he put an ounce of political capital into fiscal conversatism. Tell me one instance when he used his mad bipartisan skillz toward collecting a veto-proof coalition that he could have taken to the President to hold up a veto on an appropriations bill. Show me one case where John McCain called people out specifically for their waste and corruption?
McCain is a poser. If he were really a fiscal conservative, he’d be Tom Coburn’s best friend. We know that’s not the case.
McCain is on Fox right now and is such a fucking limp dick that he refuses to criticize Obama on any matter. He has no sack left.
That’s the sort of thing, alp, that makes me glad that I don’t watch TV.
You think you’re better ‘n me Collins?!
The Frontier Party can do without TV, btw.
I’m smoke signalling you now, alp.
Nah, we are not helpful and should just “move on” to coin a much needed new phrase for the right. The fight over language and definitions and who gets to determine what has been said is a “fundamentally an unserious and unimportant issue.”
The Left has invited us to play “Calvin ball”. They get to make up all the rules as they go along. Changing them whenever they like. Some think that is a fair and gentlemanly way to fight.
F that. That’s FUBO, F**ked up beyond Obama.
Jimmie, you are wrong.
Tom Coburn on McCain’s Courage. Even though Coburn disagreed with Immigration Reform.
Senator Tom Coburn
If you have a better GOP candidate to run against McCain in Arizona, be my fucking guest. Great. McCain lost, he is not going to run for President again (and if he tries he will not get the nomination). But to wish the Dems win the Senate seat is just stupid. McCain has been fighting Obama and the Dems on this pork-u-lus mess. You want to give that vote away?
McCain loves Obama’s cram-down plan Joe. In fact he says it was his idea. The game has passed him by.
If you want to clean out the dead wood, you better have a new tree to put in its place. Because if the Dems get to replant, they are going with poison ivy and weeds.
Run viable candidates against Senators and Congress you disagree with in the primaries. Saying that McCain is no worse than the Democrats is just not correct. There are a few Republicans that bad (Spector comes to mind) but McCain is not one of them.
BTW Tmjutah, Hatch has had some pretty piss poor votes lately in the Senate. But at least Utah will likely vote in other Republicans (presumably better ones next time), that is not the case in Arizona–unless a viable GOP candidate is run in the primaries and wins.
Joe @ #24:
Actually, you might want to re-read Gabe’s post AND my addition to said post to see who actually said that. Unfortunately, I don’t think Gabe agrees with me on that issue.
Is there some Arizona toddler that would run as a Republican?
Tom Coburn’s right, by the way. Has McCain been a complete asshole to Republicans from time to time? Yes. Was McCain right about earmarks? You bet, and while Bush was spending us into Oblivion and irrelelevance. McCain just shouldn’t have run so Romney could have been nominated and been put out of his misery by Zero. Now we have to deal with the Hairpiece That Walks By Night in 2012.
We laughed at the Kos folks, but they did their part in growing the Democratic party. Their job was to win. So is ours. You don’t win by being a limpdicked, take-it-up-the-butt-like-you’re-Sasha-Grey Republican.
The Duty of an Opposition is to Oppose. If you don’t get this, go read Andrew Sullivan and be a Fanboy.
That is not true about Obama’s cram down, although you are correct that the game has passed him by. Hence the reason this issue really makes no sense. The 2007-08 GOP primaries are long over. Obama won the general and is in charge. Stop gnashing your teeth over an old man (who in fact has been voting against Obama lately) and worry about going forward. If you have a viable candidate to run against McCain in the primaries, great, make a contribution to him or her. Otherwise focus on: 1) How to stop Obama and Reid/Pelosi and 2) How to develop new conservative talent to run. By all means challenge incumnants in the primaries.
Just don’t tell me we “win” by Democrats beating Republicans in the general. After seeing Obama-Reid-Pelosi in action, I really can’t stomach anymore wins like that anymore.
Now we also have to deal with a peculiar institution: the AssClown RNC, the dead weight around the necks of conservatives everywhere.
How we deal with these people I don’t know, especially when they are on the constant linguistic and ideological defensive. If some libtard accused the RNC of setting up death camps in Poland, Mike Steele and the clowns around him would be clueless enough to fly people to Auschwitz in an attempt to prove to the press that there were no Republicans involved in setting up Auschwitz and that Republicans were just as outraged at the Holocaust as were Democrats.
Then he’d be on TV for three weeks fighting Begala about “the Seriousness of the Charge”.
I think the RNC is that pathetic of an organization. Even though I have them as a Friend on Facebook.
Wait Joe. I just saw McCain say that the mortgage rescue plan was his original plan. What’s not true?
Unfortunately the Constitution requires the candidate to be 25 years old by the time he or she is sworn in. Fuck, run Kurt Warner. The way his contract negotiations are going, he might need the job.
And btw Joe, for me “Republican” is akin to “Nancy-boy” so there’s that.
BTW, if you think I’m joking, we dealt with a variant of this as the Left developed the whole “Prescott Bush funneled money to Hitler so he could rise to power and start WWII, ergo, the Bush Crime Family is Responsible for the Holocaust.”
You get how the causality just falls into place. By the way, these kind of people are now getting Government Jobs in the Neue Ordnung.
After that Super Bowl, the only thing Kurt Warner should run for is the State Line….
Yeah al. McCain had a plan to bolster home prices. Was vilified for it by the MSM just before the election. And now Obama has a different plan to reward those who over borrowed and by implication punish the rest of us who did not. So what is your point, McCain is just as bad as Obama? Well I guess you are happy Obama won.
This would all be so relevant if we were debating whether to go with Romney or McCain as the nominee (or perhaps you are a Huckafan), but guess what, we are way past that. Who are you supporting in 2012? What are you doing to make that happen?
And don’t look now, but Ace has been sucked into the vortex. Tar baby.
HEARTACHE. Well, that’s why I hang out mostly here.
section9 you make way to much sense. No wonder you call yourself that!
Too bad to check, Carin.
I don’t understand stop gnashing your teeth over an old man. McCain is not part of the solution. He is an anus. A pompous geriatric anus. Nothing will ever be right in the world until his cowardly and creepily asymmetric jowls get the bitchslapping they’ve well and truly earned I think.
Carin (or should I use the more exotic Carrin), if you use the term tar baby you will be called a racist…hey look Michael Steele!
OUTLAW!
I read it … sigh. He basically said that if you think it’s OK [what Rush said] you’re rooting for economic disaster. That even if you THINK it will happen, you shouldn’t say it.
whateves.
This debate has gone well beyond the point of being helpful.
Or is it Brer Ace or Brer Patterico?
Joe, I’ve been called a racist a-plenty over here at PW. But now that thorazine is gone …
I read the Ace thing. At least he called for Steele to resign. That part’s good. Steele has brought shame unto himself cause of he’s stupid and useless, and he can do that anywhere. It doesn’t have to be at the RNC I don’t think.
Honestly, I hope tomorrow we won’t be talking about this anymore. I’m going to do my part. It’s past the point of advancing anything. We need to focus on the dirty socialist.
Thanks, but no.
Warner, Arizona agree to 2-year, $23M deal.
We need to find our laughing place.
I agree with Carin for more than one reason. My main reason is that this debate is done. The positions of both have been made clear, and I do not see any ultimate meeting of the minds when you get down to the specifics. I happen to fall into the “don’t cede the language one iota” camp. I can see the argument that suggests decorum (not giving them ready ammunition) is equally as important, but I don’t agree with it, since they manufacture their own ammunition anyway.
Oops, I don’t mean to declare an end to the debate, as that is not my place. In my opionion, it’s done, as I cannot see what finer points could be argued.
Saying that McCain is no worse than the Democrats is just not correct
Even worse it is, then.
They think we are doing exactly what Obama wants us all to do (fight over the Limbaugh four words) and I/we think they are doing what the Left wants us all to do (allow them to make the rules of the game, and umpire it).
Screw it! Let’s make Obama the game ball. Let’s bat around what he means. Parse his words as heavily as the infamous “4 words” have been parsed. Teleprompter addicted, second rate news reader, that he is.
I hope Obama’s teleprompter fails.
Joe,
You don’t make much sense. McCain was going to bolster prices? Just how is cramming down your comparable homes’ value going to bolster your price. Ah, but that’s in the past. Who am I supporting in 2012 you ask? Why, alppuccino of The Frontier Party, that’s who. But alppuccino’s not running mind you, he’s just supporting himself. Like he’s continued to do all these years. But when alppuccino sees John McCain with his own eyes asked if “Obama bears any responsibility” in this clusterfuck that’s called “The Obama Years” and McCain answers with something McCainsy like “Chris, now is not the time to criticize, now is the time to help.” – alppuccino will call him out for the washed up, politically correct, skinless-bratwurst Republican that he is. Interestingly enough The Frontier Party believes that Dem and Repub reps are all in it together and they’re laughing at the stupid people who don’t realize it.
Who’s you’re guy in ’12?
We need to find our laughing place.
Here’s ours.
McCain’s got what 2 or three months to live? Get on the tube and say, “I told you he was a liar.”
Just once Johnny.
About Steele. Look, I know he’s Chair of AssClown Central, but let’s see how he does in fundraising and targeting swing BlueDogs with good Conservative Candidates who can win. Candidate recruitment will tell the tale. I haven’t given up on Steele yet, but he’s not the next Ray Bliss, either.
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alppuccino: Let 2008 go. Let it go. It is over. No more games. You have Obama, backed by Pelosi and Reid. I am sure we are better off. Don’t you just feel it?
Seriously, McCain had his flaws, but let it go. I am sure things are much better with Lord Obama in charge. William Faulkner thought the past is not dead, but John McCain is not your enemy. Let it go.
Take guinsPen’s advice and go to the laughing place.
Humph! I was about to suggest that McCoot is a hemroid on the rectum of the body politic, so I suppose great minds think alike.
I’ll argue that we’re lucky he lost. Had he won we’d still have congress in the hands of the same people, we’d still have the same financial mess, and we’d have McCain reaching across the aisle and bringing the Republicans along for the freekin’ joy ride.
At least with His Royal Oneness in the Whitehouse the Republicans have found their cajones (such as they are) and are opposing at least some of the worst financial foolishness. With McCain in the Whitehouse the Donks would have the bipartisan cover they crave to really pull out all the stops on their spending spree.
I’ve noticed a rather disturbing undercurrent in much of this discussion.
The notion that if Obama, or Obama’s programs, fail that the country will suffer economically. Or conversely, that in order for Obama to be seen as a failure the country must suffer economically. And that this economic hardship is somehow the least desirable outcome.
We’re supposed to be conservatives and classical liberals. People dedicated to the principles of limited government and free peoples.
Whether Obama’s programs succeed or fail is entirely secondary to the fact that what he is in the process of doing is committing grievous injury to the very principles we claim to espouse. Do we not value our principles above mere financial gain? Yes, some of us think those principles best allow for economic gain, but is that the sole or primary reason we champion them? Would we abandon them for the sake of something else with a similar promise of success?
Maybe some of us truly would sacrifice those principles for the sake of pragmatic success, I would hope that most of us would not.
And for now let’s ignore the entire issue of just who is currently privileged to evaluate this whole concept of success or failure (hint: it ain’t us.)
Maybe you weren’t paying attention, Joe, but the reason we have Lord Obama is because McCain ran the most bullshit little pandering pussy campaign in the history of American politics. I was literally screaming responses to him by the end of every “debate” he had with Obama.
He redefined lameness.
Fuck John McCain.
In a five gallon tub pour
a fifth of grain alcohol
equal parts of 7-up and your favorite fruit punch
to nearly fill the tub &
loads of sliced fruit matching the punch
top off with about 20 hits of blotter.
Do not eat all the fruit yourself… in one night. Save some for the next several days.
McCain had a winning issue with Fannie/Freddie and the CRA. He didn’t even need to go after Obama. All he had to do is go after Congress (with lower favorables than GWB) and link them to Obama.
But he didn’t have the nerve to make the argument. that would have involved a showdown with the MSM and he just didn’t have the stomach for the fight.
Not exactly a laughing place, but a good reminder of what we are up against and on objectivism.
Ayn Rand vs. Mike Wallace
You all are choking on bile. Let me tell you something. Language means a lot to you; I get that. My background in propaganda taught me that the receiver is the object. Jeff’s and your ministrations have made me look again at what I believe.
I wish all of you the best in this worst of all possible worlds.
McCain says GM should go bankrupt. He’s right.
I believe Jeff made this case before Obama was nominated. Republicans in power that do not respect the founding principles are not worth fighting for. The nature of the party platform and its standard-bearers will not change unless it is induced. Failure is necessary and valuable.
John McCain is not your enemy
wrong.
I apologize to alp for disagreeing with him, but this is true. John McCain is not our enemy.
It’s also irrelevant, as is McCain.
In a conventional conflict we could say that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We are not in a conventional conflict.
If we were, we would not be talking OUTLAW!
Pablo suggested I post this again:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
Jeff Goldstein’s threat of violence:
From: Jeff Goldstein: Arguing “On Point” — With Threats of Violence.
Thanks to Pablo for the suggestion. It’s a good one. Sorta makes it clear who wrote this post.